Dragon Ball Super

buu is best

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>>146858282
Black is far superior in every way you can think of. Buy got boring really quickly, I just wanted that fucker to die so bad half way through the saga.

Don't get me wrong he was a fun villain, but he didn't need like what 4 damn seasons? He would have been better off as a movie villain honestly.

But Black has so much mystery and personality behind him. I'm praying to God that he becomes a reoccurring villian (this will never happen because Tori sucks ass at writing).

>>146856213
pretty much.

>>146859252
Yup

>>146856213

>Goku totally forgot about the panic button

JUST

What would happened if he pressed it though?

>let's make a goku with a different clothes and call it a day.

Toriyama is not even trying anymore.
Topest of keks.

>>146861821

>let's make a sader with a different clothes and call it a day

TM is not even trying anymore.
Topest of keks indeed.

Fanboys will still swallow that shit

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>>146861821
Whats the story behind him anyway? Did someone from Ginyu's race take Goku's body in the future or something?

>>146861884
Zamasu kidnapped Goten at a young age and trained him

>>146861921
t. retard

>>146856213
That twink is no match for Broly.

>>146861921
Black Goku is stronger than Zamasu...

>>146862347
and gohan is stronger than piccolo

>>146862461
ah! you got me, good one

I know this is a stupid fucking question, but who are the best subs? Dragon Team takes way too fucking long, they're like 2-3 episodes behind or some shit. Wasn't sure on Kami or Z-Team or maybe even someone else entirely.

>>146863166
Batman

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>>146861821
Not the first time he's done that, or the second. Or even the third.
Bardock(arguable), tree of might villain, goten. He's made bulma clones too. Gohan and yamucha used to look identical and I'm sure there's more. At least he later made the lame excuse of all low class saiyans being identical.

>>146864664

It's Akira Toriyama.

He has like a dozen of characters that he shares through all his works, from Dragon Ball and Dr.Slump to Chrono Trigger and Dragon Quest.

>>146864664
Well Bardock and Goten make sense. Turles was just a what if scenario of "what if Goku hadn't bonked his head?".

Hell Gohan and Yamcha still look identical honestly, they've had the same haircuts as time progresses. As for the low class saiyan thing, that isn't really canon, nor was it ever. Tree of Might is just its own thing in its own universe, same with all the movies.

Tarble is a low class Saiyan as is Raditz and they don't look like Goku. Hell Frieza thought Gohan was Raditz's son and Goten in EoZ looks almost identical to Gine.

It might be safe to say at this point that Black might actually just be Goku.

>>146865215
Canon has nothing to do with it, it was still created. I swear, if this thing ends and they don't explain Goku (black) then I'm going to do nothing either way but damnit.

>>146858804
>(this will never happen because Tori sucks ass at writing).
Pilaf was a recurring villain for a long time.

>>146865149
Yeah he has about 5 different faces but adds a different hairstyle or some scars.

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>>146865365
I'm sure they'll explain Black, they've been going over it constantly. Most of the the characters that look like Goku though have an explanation for why they look similar. Turles is really the only cop-out, since its not really a what-if story and its it's own thing despite that being the reason for Turles' design and creation.

I really honestly think Black is just straight up Goku for whatever reason, maybe its a silly one, maybe it actually makes sense, who knows.

On another note, why haven't you guys become GodTubers yet? Someone sent this to me earlier.

>>146865526
Jesus has an OP zenkai boost that takes 3 days to activate, I doubt goku can compete.
SJ(esus)GSJx infinite when?

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>>146865444
The Red Ribbon Army also kind of count. Its machinations lasted years even if Goku wasn't aware of most of it.

>>146865706
The Red Ribbon Army becoming the most powerful force on earth, and almost wiping out humanity, many years after being destroyed was really something.

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>>146865149
>Chrono Trigger

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Toriyama doesn't redraw characters guys, that's silly.

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>>146856213
He'll be my favourite only if he does the wolf fang fist like they said he would.

Who is black really?

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>>146868250
Supah sayajin gooooooose

Do we have episode 59 & 60 titles yet? The scans should be out (I think)

>>146836022
Sorry about the late reply,but you've got the wrong anon

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Will their body become immortal, if they fuse with the potato earrings?

>>146869154
yes.

Found this on Kanzenshuu (source is 2ch so could be fake):

59話「界王神ゴワスを守れ　ザマスを破壊せよ！」　- "Protect the Kaioshin Gowasu / Destroy Zamasu!"

60話「再び未来へ　明かされるゴクウブラックの正体」　 - "To the Future Once Again / Goku Black's Identity is Revealed"

61話「ザマスの野望　語られる『人間0計画』」- "Zamazu's Ambition / The 'Human Elimination Plan' Divulged"

>>146871099

Didn't the rose spoilers come from 2ch? anyways it looks legit compared to those spic spoilers from before.

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ITS YO BOY GOWASU

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>>146871583

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>>146871099
still have some doubts so I guess i'll wait for confirmation.

if so. Would mean another month of waiting for the mystery to be revealed...

>>146871583
This fucker needs to die

>>146872095
Looks real enough, they're tentative titles subject to change, remember when the "Invincible God Zamasu" episode used to be "Goku Goes SSJ Blue" or something.

>>146872103
ZAMASU!!!

>>146872095
>bottom panel: "Trunks... Marry this girl..."
Saiyans like strong-willed mates.

>>146872095
Vegeta tossed like a sack of potatoes

>>146872739
dad knows best in this case

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>>146871099
>two more eps of Trunks worrying about his girl
goddammit i can't fucking take this anymore

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> "Protect the Kaioshin Gowasu"
> Gowasu is apparently in danger

Sad that Gowasu might not fulfill his dream of being the Kaioshin Pewdiepie Godtuber

>>146871458
>Didn't the rose spoilers come from 2ch?
No. Images for Rose released by Bamco for a game.

>>146872095
Based jobeta. How many L's will he collect until the series ends.

>>146873282
>Gowasu will die before he makes his 500,000 subscriber milestone video

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>>146873380
who would have known that "saving vegeta" had to be taken so literally every time

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>>146871980
>>>/r9k/
Fuck off.

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>>146871099
> "To the Future Once Again / Goku Black's Identity is Revealed"

How about instead of going Back to the Future™, the just kill Zamasu on the present?

I know that's not how timelines work in DBZ, but then why is Future Zamasu interested in Goku?

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>>146873002
>no episode September 18th.
The waiting is killing me too, anon.

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>>146874476
OR just gather the Super Dragon Balls and wish that Zamasu dies in the Future timeline?

>>146874573
at least there is a episode this week

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>>146874573
Ugh. almost forgot about that. We are getting another break after the next episode

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> okay Goku, I'm going to come with you the future. however, my limit is 3 minutes

t-thanks

In a thread last night people were saying Vegetto is worse than Gogeta simply because Vegettos base is Vegeta and Gogetas base is Goku

Meaning the cocky goofing off nature of Vegetto is all Vegetas fault and the fact that Gogeta shows up and immediately finishes business is because Goku takes action immediately.

However thats entire false.

Vegeta is always the first to fight and always fights to the fullest.

It is Goku that goofs off. It is Goku that holds back so he can see the true power of his opponent.

I believe Vegettos base is actually Goku and Gogetas base is actually Vegeta.

>>146875139
You can't really say that either of them are 'based' on Goku or Vegeta because that's not how fusion works. Gotenks is a little shit because of a combination of Trunks being a little shit and Goten being too playful. Just how Vegetto's smack talk is a combination of Goku's happy go lucky nature and Vegeta's extreme pride.

It's more likely that Gogeta takes influence from serious mode Goku and Vegeta's warrior instinct and that's why he doesn't fuck around.

>>146875139
only vegetto is canon
and that is all that matters

>>146875301
Toriyama said when he designed Vegetto he said "I'll make one of them the base and just add some flavor of both of them"

He never said who he used as a base.

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Freeza > King Piccolo > Blackmasu > Vegeta > Piccolo Jr > Beerus > Cell >= Buu

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>>146875139
>watch Gogeta movie
>he's only in it for 4 minutes

>>146875139
Who the fuck came up with the idea that a fusion's base is equal to the base of HALF of its own composition. That doesn't even make sense. Unless Toriyama says otherwise, that's some retarded ass headcanon.

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Who is the better friend /a/?

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>>146875385
Source?

This is the first time I've heard of a fusion "base". Gotenks has no base, why should Vegetto?

>>146875515
its really obvious
gowasu

>>146875405
Change Black and Daimao around and you're golden.

>>146875530
Not that anon, but I always took it to mean its not the same kind of fusion so not the same rules apply. Since potara is permanent I always assumed whoever had a more dominate personality would take over.

>>146874476
Because Goku dared to challenge the gods.

>>146875476
The idea is that each fusion has a "base" character, while the other just adds some of his characteristics to it.

That's all just fanon though, and has never been officially stated, outside of Dragonball Fusions, where Fusions work like that in order to make designing new ones quicker and also to allow custom characters to fuse with anyone.

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How does future zamasu know who goku is if they never met?

>>146875839
Goku met Zamasu in the past, which altered the timeline and caused a butterfly effect where future Zamasu also met him.

This is a pretty big retcon, though, as it was established in the Android arc that events in the past do not affect the future.

>>146875839
>>146875946

It could be that "present" Zamasu goes to Trunks' timeline in the future through the use of that time ring, which was born when Trunks first went to that timeline. So, it's be technically "Present" Zamasu in the future, just like Goku himself.

It'd still be a retcon though, since it'd allow stuff like beating Zamasu in the present to make his future self disappear, which wasn't allowed by Dragonball's original time travel rules.

This actually kind of follows Xenoverse rules though, where Makaioshin's time travel could actually change time itself, unlike the one from Trunks' time machine.

>>146872103
Zamazu, please leave.

>>146875946
>This would be a pretty big retcon...

FIFY. What you said was never confirmed as a fact.

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>>146875946
Goku met and fought him in his timeline. This has no bearing in Trunk's timeline. Retcon/butterfly effect/itssosimple.jpeg can't be used here because the events in which Zamasu fought Goku would have happen close to 10 years after he died. Not only that Zamasu was in another universe and would not have noticed the goku vs freiza fight. So again. How does future zamasu know who goku is if they never met

>>146876083
Huh. The past not affecting the future is the whole reason Future Trunks and his world still exist.

>>146876044
current zamasu is mortal, while the future one is not. That was shown at the end of the last episode. I was thinking this too at first, but it was confirmed they are separate entities

>>146876209
I didn't mean that he's actually from the present, but that say, at some point after acquiring immortality from the Super DBs, he'll use Trunks' time ring and then go to Trunks' timeline. So, it's a future version of present timeline Zamasu, but not actually Future Trunks' timeline Zamasu.

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>>146875607
Yeah, see, this is where everything falls apart. Goku died in Trunks timeline, so Zamazu never met him in that time line. Also, time travel has been shown as jumping to a parallel time, not moving to a different point in your time. So even if Zamazu met Goku, it would be in a future where the Z fighters never lost to the androids. It's been very contradictory

>>146876262
>>146876209
Dead Goku meeting Zamasu wouldn't be impossible anyway. Assuming he was just hanging around and training in the other world all the time, he'd be much more likely to explore the other world of other universes. I actually hope they do this, because this explanation

>>146876260

would be way too messy and would open the way for changing the past to affect the future (if they killed the actual present Zamasu then the Zamasu with Black would disappear)

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>>146876212
>>146876260
that's literally retarded

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>>146876044
no
goku is famous
so its most likely future zamasu heard from him

>>146876346
well i guess that is probable, but the only questions after that would be how did he find out about the super dragon balls

Just binge read the Super manga. wtf I love Toyotaro now. it's really good, I especially liked how they incorporated Champa/Vados into the story.

>>146875515
Black.

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How can someone who looks identical to Goku be so much more sexy and handsome?

>>146876367
Future Goku was weaker than Future Vegeta and Future Trunks, though, since he died before the Androids Arc and never did the three years of training. So there'd be no sense in Black saying that if they only knew of the future version.

>>146875839
Wait and find out dumbass

>>146877447
cause it's goten and not goku

>>146877473
nobody really dies in db
goku kept training in the afterlife with king kai

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>>146877515

>>146877567
And Goten looks like Kid Goke/ Mini Goku.

Goten theory still stands.

>>146875839
Toryiama at it again with them inconsistencies.
people expect way too much from a gag manga author.

>>146877610
Seek help.

>>146877613
>being this butthurt
Don't worry anon, envy is pretty common

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>>146875586
Ok I get that the two types of fusions can have different rules, but the thing is that this fusion "base" thing was never mentioned.

It's really supposed to be 50/50. I think this is a fanon assumption based on Vegetto's name sounding more like Vegeta.

>>146877791
I'm not talking about in series. I'm talking about a Toriyama interview where he said "I picked one of the characters to be the base and tacked on stuff, it was easier to design that way."

>>146877610
But this is adult Goku Black is imitating, not kid Goku, you fucking retard.

>>146877447
cause he's not goofy

>>146877447
>implying Goku isn't handsome
faggot

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>>146877952
On this note, why in the fuck did they make Goku extra goofy in Super? I mean I know that was always his charm, that he was carefree and had a kind soul but at least when it came down to business he wasn't afraid to get serious and handle his shit. In Super he's mentally de-aged several years and it's fucking dumb if you ask me.

>>146878057
He was pretty serious last episode if you ask me.

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>>146878026
Goku is handsome, just not as handsome as Black.

>>146878139
Yeah, but look at his meeting with the Omni King. The guy could literally wipe out the universe if you say one wrong word, and Goku treats it like a joke.

>>146878139
Yeah it wasn't too bad last episode which was cool but like >>146878195 said for something like I'd personally say it was a bit over the top. I mean it makes sense Goku would act relaxed and carefree a bit but it was like watching a 5 year old trying to behave in a public place. Moments like that are what kill it for me.

>>146878195
Because he thinks it's a joke, that's how he addressed Kami, Kaio, Kaioshin and Beerus too.

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The original beerus is still the best one

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>>146877473
Goku died during Cell, and achieved SS3 in Other World.

Future Goku dying doesn't mean he's still Android Saga tier. If anything, he's stronger than Present Goku because time flows slow in Other World.

I mean SS2 Goku >= Base form Black. No wonder SSR Black completely wrecked Goku/Vegeta.

That's how he achieved SS3

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>>146877515
Here's your (you)

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>>146877515
>>146877610

Black is NOT Goten

> Black introduces himself to Trunks as "Son Goku"
> Black takes interest in Goku and his fighting style
> Zamasu interested in Goku
> Black uses Instant Transmission
> Goten was not born in the Future Timeline
> Goku: "You really do look just like me!"
> SSR Black tells Goku that he should be grateful that "You have reached the height of beauty (Goku's body becoming SSR) at my hand"

Nothing points to him being Goten. Meanwhile all evidence suggests he's Goku.

>>146877847
Source on interview though?

He could've been strictly talking about the fusion designs and not personality

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>>146877610
>>146877515
Please anonstop already! I'm a Gotenfag too but I've already accepted the truth. He's not Black... he's not.

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Does this confirm that SSR is exclusive to Black?

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>>146878505

It's the closest we'll get to a Majin Goku

>>146875139

But Gogeta goofed against Omega Shenron.

>>146875946

I think the present timeline overwrites the future timeline as time goes on. Like if Trunks used the time machine to go back to the present, then used it again to go to when Goku fought Beerus, and went back to the future (the day he arrived in the present), he would still be on the main timeline.

>>146878715
nobody thought about making a connection of the names of the charas and alcoholic drinks to guess which character or transformation appearing in the future? like beerus=beer, whis= whiskey, SSRose = rose wine etc?

How the fuck is Zamasu immortal if he's the same Zamasu from the past who hasn't made the wish yet? Did Toei forget that F. Trunks timeline isn't the Z/Super Timeline or is Immortal Zamasu actually from Z/Super's Future and time traveling around?

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>>146878152
Right he's more handsome.

>>146878977
Consistency is for Ningen to worry about.

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>>146879063
9 years old! Damn Ningen genes.

>>146878977
because its future zamasu retard

>>146879096
if it was Future Zamasu then he wouldn't be aware of what Super Saiyan Blue is or the Super Dragon Balls in order to wish for Immortality as Goku never would have visited him and defeated him in battle and Goku vs. Hit never would have been streamed to GodTube.

>>146861821
>Toriyama is not even trying anymore.


Guy gave up a long time ago anon

>>146879208
>if it was Future Zamasu then he wouldn't be aware of what Super Saiyan Blue is or the Super Dragon Balls
Says who? Wait the arc isn't done yet dumbass

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>>146861821
> Let's make an evil grasshopper that wants to be perfect
> Let's make a Vegeta with an M on his forehead
> Let's make a genie with no purpose

>>146879313
>Says who?

The fact that those events never transpired in the Future Timeline because Goku has been dead since the Android Saga? There is absolutely no way for Future Zamasu to have seen SSJB, Trunks is the only Saiyan alive (not counting Tarble) in that timeline and he can only do Full Power SSJ2. .

>>146879208
future zamasu is from future trunks timeline
not present future
he would have found out about the super dbs and wished for immortality anyway in that timeline
all thats left is showing how and when he met goku there
which is most likely on king kais planet

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Which Goku is best Goku?

>>146864664
>tree of might villain
That wasn't AT, retard.

>>146879397
what makes you think future zamasu knows about ssb?

>>146879397
Wouldn't he keep his body in the afterworld tho?

>>146879413
Black Carrot > Burdock Herb > Carrot > Lettuce

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>>146879397
> There is absolutely no way for Future Zamasu to have seen SSJB

Unless Future Goku achieved it in Other World.

Also might be the reason why Future Zamasu knows of Goku.

>>146879397
Wait the arc isn't done yet dumbass, also you these guys can time travel right?

>>146879517
The fact that neither he nor Black were surprised by SSJB, and the fact that he very clearly already knows who Goku is.
>>146879530
He would, but no other Saiyan would. He wouldn't have access to the Saiyan God Ritual, and Beerus of that timeline dies before he wakes up. So there was never any need to attain God Ki, and as you've said, Goku is dead anyways.

>>146879413
Goku>>Black>>Bardock>>>>>>Not canon

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>>146879044
>Right he's more handsome.

>>146879565
How would he have met Whis in order to have achieved it?
>>146879588
Which is why I was asking, whether Toei either forgot, or Z/Super Past Zamasu time traveled to the future and a different timeline for whatever reason.

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Soon.

>>146879607
>The fact that neither he nor Black were surprised by SSJB, and the fact that he very clearly already knows who Goku is.
because that's just god ki
also blacks pink transformation is most likely also god ki
present zamasu was able to notice it on tv

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>>146879629
>Black Goku pic
>Shit taste
Took the words right out of my mouth.

just fuse already

>>146879607
>He would, but no other Saiyan would.
Maybe Gohan would also.
Wait. Ohhhhhh.
Nah.

>>146879694
Trunks himself says he doesn't seem surprised to see SSJB, like he's seen it before.

SSJR is not SSJB, they may both be God Forms, but they aren't the same.

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>>146879695
Your words are shit and your mouth is full of it.

>>146879808
black and zamasu are fuckbuddies so black showed him ssj pink before

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>>146879845
Gohan will defeat Black.

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>>146879938
>Gohan will get Blacked
Fixed.

>>146879413
Kid Goku.

>>146879208
Didn't Zamasu going to the future to check on those dinosaur ningen and then going back demonstrate that present time and future exist at the same time? Maybe Zamasu from the current timeline is in the future gonna go to FT' timeline.

So Zamasu in the future will go to the future after aquiring immortality and Gokus body somehow. For what reason would he go to the FT timeline?

>>146858804
Zamasu is > Black...
But senpai Future Zamasu is black.

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>>146879969

>>146879938
I think you mean Triple Fusion, Gogetunks. SSB Gogetunks.

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>>146873436
Just like Glenn

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>>146880087

>>146879989
That planets past and futures where still within the same timeframe and hadn't been interrupted. Zamasu killing the one dinosaur however likely diverted it created another timeline.

Trunks/Cells actions created 4 timelines, with the main ring being the first major split, the 5th timeline and ring, likely stems from Zamasu killing that dinosaur.

He sure could travel to F. Trunks' timeline, as F. Trunks can travel just as easily between the two timelines, but it would mean that the Present Zamasu's future self would end up doing it, which isn't the same as Future Zamasu from Trunks' timeline.

Unless they're going to get into a weird thing where alternate timelines only affect their particular universe as opposed to literally everything (which wouldn't really explain why U10 has rings). In this scenario, then Zamasu would only exist as one single entity regardless of the timelines that Trunks has created, and U10's timeline for instance would be on par with F. Trunks timeline as that is what originally happened before all the splits, though this also wouldn't explain Champa and how he's able to interact with Z/Super's Timeline if alternate timelines don't split across universes as well.

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>>146878539
Goku Black is damn slim

>>146880026
(true love waits plays in the background)

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>>146880256

>>146875139

Vegetto is stronger simply because the potara fusion is a more perfect fusion than the dance.

For the dance each power level must be equal, just like trunks has to lower his power to equal Goten's.

The Potara though doesn't require any power balancing and simply combines both powers in their entirety.

>>146880220
> Zamasu killing the one dinosaur however likely diverted it created another timeline.

Wait, could that be why Zamasu became momentarily dazed after he killed it? I thought it was just some cliche "moral corruption turned him evil" moment.

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>>146879672
> How would he have met Whis in order to have achieved it?

Other World is full of gods. Goku doesn't need Whis specifically to train with God Ki.

Goku's a hero, even Future Goku. He would've kept his body.

Not to mention that Future Goku is probably famous for defeating Freeza (which even Beerus was impressed with)

In DBZ would Goku have actually blown up the supreme Kai if he didn't move his ass?

>>146880220
Well, who knows what happened to the original Zamasu from FT timeline, maybe he's still in U10 or maybe dead and the one we see is the present ones future self.
But yeah I'm just guessing, I have no fucking idea what's actually happening.

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>>146879672
Who's to say Future Goku never met Whis?

Future Beerus is dead, but that doesn't mean Future Whis is.

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>>146880680
>Who's to say Future Goku never met Whis?

Come on, anon...

>>146880763
I knew I wasn't the only one that thought that animation in supersonic warriors was weird.

>>146880236
Well being dead, Future Goku probably didn't get as much gains.

>>146880030


Now that i think about it it would be really interesting to find out if two fusions can perform another fusion.

What would happen if Vegito/Gogeta and Gotenks performed a fusion dance? Knowing how bullshit fusions are in terms of power level increases it would have to create something pretty hax.

Who knows, maybe DBS will show this in another 100 episodes. I don't want to believe that they will just keep changing the hair color every time goku and vegeta need a powerup. for the rest of the series. Fusions have to return at some point.

>>146880366
Possibility. I mean, that moment was basically say tantamount to potentially killing the Goku of Dinosaurs. What if he had risen up one day to slay an evil powerful emperor of their tribe or something, or maybe he was that evil powerful emperor, or whatever.
>>146880666
I don't think Toei does either honestly. I'm under the assumption that the Zamasu we're seeing is the same one from Z/Super's timeline that has for some reason time traveled to F. Trunks timeline from the future of Z/Super's timeline.
>>146880927
Well if I recall don't fusions have to be relatively similar in height, not exactly, but good enough to where they can match up? Gotenks might be a little too small for it. Probably some stipulation on fusing so many people too, likely limited to just two.

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>>146880861
maybe it resembles his youthness, and his hair being completely black and not shiny like present goku's might mean that his body didn't age since the android saga

>>146861533
>Zen from Gomu's original timeline comes, who in turn summons the Zen from Future Trunks timeline
>OriginalZen gets mad at Future Zen and has a fight with him
Fund it

ZAMUSA

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how can Gohanfags ever recover

>>146881289
YA BOY GOWASU HERE BRINGING YOU THE LATEST GOD FIGHTS FROM ALL ACROSS TIME

>>146881434
I know one gohan fag is going to get destroyed

>>146875515
Pan

>>146881658
>subscribing to gowasu for God fights and not tea reviews
>being this much of a pleb

>>146881434
Just wait for the next tournament.
GOHAN IS COMING BACK

>>146881289
There's no such a thing as "Zen from Gomu's original timeline".
There is only one Zen for all universes and timelines.

>>146881434
It is simple. Gohan is going back with Goku, Vegeta and Trunks to the future. He will defeat both Zamasu and Black.

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>>146881922
Will they put Gohan in a capsule?

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>>146881922

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>>146878641
>ethnic combat people

suddenly goku is trash tier
wtf happened?
can he beat anyone these days?

>>146881812
Well maybe he should upload more tea reviews to GodTube instead of Goku vs. Hit.

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>>146881993
>>146882035

>>146882114
>>146882114
Can can Goku be trash tier when Goku just beat Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks?

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>>146881434

Vegeta cares for Gohan

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>>146882035
>>146882221
Why are they so delusional and gay?

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>>146882371
>>146882371

I'm excite for these bet rewards regardless

>>146882114
ever since ssj blue has been introduced he has been collecting nothing but L's. beerus,sorbet beam, frost,hit,goku black.

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Will this guy ever manage to beat a major villain or will he go down down as the worst jobber in shounen history.

>>146882475
Frost cheated otherwise Goku would have beat him and Goku did beat Pooh. He also quit against Hit.

>>146882557
>gave Goku part of the drive he needed for Frieza (not on the level of Krillin but still)
>distracted Cell so that Gohan could power up Father-Son Kamehameha and kill him
>Completely tanked Kid Buu so that Goku and Hercule could gather the energy needed
>Would have defeated Golden Frieza just like Goku as Golden Frieza's form was too draining
>Had a legit excuse for his loss against Hit in the Super Mango
>Only got blindsided by Black with a Ki Sword, otherwise he was fighting about as well as Goku was

>>146882610
he still lost though and with hit in the anime he was too exhausted from the kaioken plus hit was only getting stronger. not too mention he was holding back his assassination attacks

>>146882732
yeah but in the anime goku has the kaioken times 10 and trunks as a ssj2 put up a better fight then vegeta even tho vegeta is supposed a fighting tactician.

>>146882557

Genos, Chad, Nishiki,Sanji,Sanosuke,Kuwabara?

>>146882557
>Steals Piccolo's fight with Frost, and gets three wins
>Vegetards still thirsty for more
Woah

>>146882911
We're never seeing Kaio-ken SSJB ever again, they've already said this.

As for Trunks in Full Power SSJ2, he mostly fought Zamasu, he only did one thing to Black and that was kick him, which Vegeta also did and more. Trunks mostly fought Zamasu, which was mostly Zamasu just kind of shrugging it off and not really caring half the time, Trunks greatest moment was stopping the Ki Sword, which I'm going to imagine Vegeta and Goku both could have also done had Black/Zamasu came straight at them. Black was actually smart and activated his Ki Sword in Vegeta's side when he wasn't looking, unlike with Goku where he had it pretty much constantly.

>>146882557
Vegeta has killed the most characters out of anybody. I will grant that some of them had already lost, but its not like he jobs constantly, he actually wins a good amount and Goku has never defeated it, and I will grant Goku should have the second round with SSJ3, but he didn't.

People act like Vegeta is on DBZ Yamcha levels or something.

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VERY fast saiyajin attacking at incredible hihg speed

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>>146882732
It's kind of funny how Vegeta haters are trying so hard to shit on Vegeta.
>h-he lost to Black
So did Goku and Future Trunks

>he didn't do as well
Except he did, he landed the most hits that fight with his ORA ORA ORA ORA and Shoryuken combo, didn't do shit for damage but neither did Goku and Future Trunks against Black. He also ended up saving both their lives.

>h-he a-always loses
More wins than Goku in DBS so far

I swear Vegeta must remind them of someone that used to bully them or something.

>>146882935
>Genos
What?

Reminder that Beerus has killed more people than even Frieza and is a really evil character. Only brain-dead people like him.

>>146883145
it's cause vegeta has never dominated against a major villain.He is the guy who gets used as a warm up to showcase the villains power.

>>146879678
Can Mystic Gohan go SSJ? Will we ever get Mystic SSJ or what. Otherwise what was the point of training with Piccolo if his max base form potential has already been unlocked?

>>146883410
They were probably a fan of another character as kids and still are, and when Vegeta came around and started taking the spot light because everyone loved him and the other kids were all about him, they got super butthurt and never let it go, like a woman.

>>146883410
I think the reason most people shit so hard on vegeta is cause they actually want to see him succed just like how people keep trashing ash.

>>146883471
First: Do you even know what a God of Destruction is and what they're supposed to do?

Second: Why should people not like a character just because they're evil? There's a reason why many villains in all forms of media have become beloved icons of whatever culture they derive from

>>146883482
Usually yes, but he almost always matters in the end and saves someone's life. Cell and Kid Buu wouldn't have died without Vegeta and Black/Zamasu would have killed Goku/Trunks if not for him.

Vegeta is pretty damn important. He's not really a jobber by any means, he just loses every now and then. Jobbing means they lose a fight they shouldn't, not that they lose a fight they should.

>>146858282
I just finished reading the Buu saga, it was a while since I watched it as a kid, but man is it kind of a mess. Every chapter it feels like at least 1 person powers up or powers down, there's no real consistency.

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Botamo is the ONLY fighter Goku beat in DBS.

Freeza doesn't count since Goku initially lost the fight, and later only won with Vegeta and Whis's help.

> Jobbing means they lose a fight they shouldn't
vegeta vs golden frieza

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>>146883651
Goku really hasn't accomplished much ever since he obtained god ki.

Still more than SS3 at least.

>>146883651
Goku beat Frieza then he jobbed to fodder

>>146883503

Yeah, though it'll probably strain his body, anon.

>>146883700
Vegeta won that fight, Frieza just blew up the Earth. The same would have happened to Goku.

Saying Vegeta jobbed to Black though is dumb as Black is significantly stronger than him.

>>146881882
Does that mean that he became friends with Goku from the other timelines, not including Future Trunks timeline?

Why doesn't Goku now go meet dead Future Goku and dead Future Trunks and use the Super Dragon Balls to revive them? We would have two SSB Gogetas vs Black/Zamasu

>>146883715
anime canon ssj3 only beat future trunks.
manga canon ssj3 never did shit.

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>>146883700
>Jobbing

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect
>Want a quick way to show how dangerous one of your unknown characters is? Simple, make them do well or win in a fight with a character that the audience already knows is tough.

By that logic didn't Goku "job" to Hit worse than Vegeta?

Vegeta went in blind without knowing about Hits time control power, plus it was after a few fights in succession.

Goku went in with that knowledge about Hits power and used Kaioken to make himself ten times as strong and fast, yet still couldn't win. Making Hit appear way more powerful than his fight with Vegeta.

>>146883815
Well SSJ3 could have beat Majin Vegeta and Fat Buu, but Goku decided "Ah fuck it."

>>146881087
Saiyans don't age untill they get really old after maturing though.

>>146883835
They will air some other stuff during DB and OP time slot.

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>>146883718
He lost to that fight.

> Then Vegeta rescued him and asked Krillin to heal him.

> Then Vegeta beat the Golden forme out of Freeza.

> Then Whis reverted back time so Goku can get a sneak attack at a weakened Freeza.

I wouldn't call that Goku's win.

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>>146883570
>H-he's just doing his job!
Listen, that's not an argument. If a soldier is commanded to commit a war-crime, he's still a war criminal.

>>146883839
The issue with jobbing and DBZ is that jobbing is basically.

What if John Cena lost to Sin Cara or some shit. Whereas in DBZ its always what if Sin Cara lost to pre-Brock Lesnar Wrestlemania Undertaker.

Which is usually the case for Vegeta, where he's John Cena beating Sin Cara and then suddenly a transformation or something happens and its the other scenario.

>>146883951
Except they're not crimes that Beerus is committing, you retard. The whole point of his role is to maintain balance in the universe.

>>146883804
timelines are only created when someone travels through time thats why in the anime you could see 4 green time rings which represented the timelines future trunks and cell created when traveling back to time. Which raises the question to how future zamasu was able to know about goku since they never met and the u6 tournament only happened during current zamasus time.

>>146884021
You see, you've come to the conclusion that the universe is in need of balance. The need for balance is just an arbitrary parameter. Retard

>>146883951
>It's a anon doesn't understand that human moral values can't be attributed to deities episode
Notice that Gowasu isn't really saying that Zamasu is wrong, only that a Kaioshin shouldn't do the job of a Hakaishin

If we could eliminate mosquitoes right now without having any adverse effects on any other ecosystem would that be evil?

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>>146883943

That's not Goku and Vegeta. Fucking twinks.

>>146884051
That only accounts for 3/4 including the current main one, what about the last timeline?

>>146883951

you are fucking retarded

>>146884160
Yes, it would be. I think most rational, good people would agree that wiping out entire species is probably an evil thing to do, even if they're pests.

>>146884076
are you fucking retarded?

>>146884214
>>146884218
>No actual arguments
Hello Beerusfags!

>>146884212
> comparing FSS to base form
> also older macho style

>>146884076
>You see, you've come to the conclusion that the universe is in need of balance.
It's literally stated by Whis and multiple other times why Beerus does what he does. Don't blame me if you don't have the mental capacity to pay attention, retard.

>>146884302
Whis doesn't give any reasons as to why the universe needs balance, I'm not taking anything Whis says at face value.

>>146884216
Except you would eliminate Malaria and Zika in one stroke. This is babby tier philosophy anon pls define """""""evil""""""" before you make baseless assumptions about based beerus sama

>>146884213
what do you mean? time ring just represents a timeline who has open. not that for each time travel a new ring gets created

>>146884160
Well you then get into arguments over whether or not God(s) exist and how they determine and judge things that should happen and you shouldn't have any control over it. Then you have the problem with ecosystems and food chains and stuff going around. That isn't so much of a problem when it comes to say humanoids and stuff, but it can be a problem as Gowasu said with the dinosaur that something could have changed in regards to that one particular one that Zamasu killed.

You also get into the fact that each potential thing you do that isn't predestined may create an alternate timeline which is a heavy offense.

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>>146883835
Fuck off.
>>>/r9k/

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>>146884346
Are you going to make the argument that killing billions to trillions of sentient creatures is not evil?

>>146884353
But doesn't each time travel to the past create a new time line?

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>>146884363
ZAMASU

>>146884331
Gowasu straight up explains the role a few episodes ago retard.

>>146884435
In the case of beings like the U7 Saiyans under Frieza, its absolutely possible to save more lives or keep an exact balance of lives by wiping them out.

>>1468844
only if you go back to a point in time where the two timeline have been the same and change the events of that said timeline but since main timeline and future timeline are so different it wont change.

>>146875515
Mr. Satan

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>>146884368
Great taste my fellow kami.

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>>146884368
y-yeah haha

>>146884452
>only if you go back to a point in time where the two timeline have been the same and change the events of that said timeline but since main timeline and future timeline are so different it wont change.

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>>146884663
God, he's so fucking smug.

is Toriyama the best at making oddball pairings feel completely natural and unforced?

> Vegeta/Bulma
> Krillin/18
> Trunks/Mai

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>>146884711
But wouldn't something as simple as just crushing a plant create a butterfly effect, making it effectively impossible to go back in time without making any changes?

I'm just saying the number of known rings doesn't equal the number of known Future Universes so there might be another one where Goku meets Zenny only he already knows about him

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>>146884758
I know and I love it.

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>>146884886

>>146884833
The butterfly effect only works if an event in one timeline differts from one another. And the two timelines changed when trunks went back to warn about the cyborgs and stopped goku from dying. But yeah there is one more ring the one black has.

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>>146884939

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>>146884818
He sure is.

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Black may be smug but even he can't defeat love. Otp forever.

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>>146885051

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>>146885061
>Implying Mai won't get BLACKED while Trunks is in the past

>>146875139
You bunch of motherfuckers need to understand Gogeta was in a fucking movie, no time for playing around

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>>146883839
tfw you a vegeta fan

>>146885149
Yajirobe will save her at the last second and will be blacked in her place.

>>146885181
Cringe.

So they've basically abandoned the first god form at this point, right? I don't think we've seen it since BoG however many episodes ago.

>>146885051
Why didn't she go with them? I really felt like her staying was just for drama.

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>>146884368
>>146885181

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>>146885181
Vegeta will never do anything other than job again

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>>146884818
>That scene when 18 lightly bullies Future Trunks
Wow it's almost like she didn't kill almost everyone Trunks knew and loved in that alt timeline

>>146885181
>posting facebook shit

>>146885181
>still lost to Hit
>wasn't even Toriyama but Toei who added Kaioken to the Hit fight
>didn't use it on Black and Zamasu meaning we might not see it for while if ever

>>146875515
zamasu

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>>146885143

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>>146884363
I'm autistic too so please stop doing this and learn restraint asshole

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>>146885165
>Gogeta was in a fucking movie, no time for playing around
This, also people tend to forget this fucking disgrace.

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>>146885516

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>>146885534
SS4 Gogeta vs Beerus
Debate this

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>>146885619

>>146885637
Gogeta isn't canon, Beerus is canon. Beerus wins done.

>>146885730
Or they could go to Namek and revive everyone.

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>>146885763
When will people stop saying this shit?

>>146885426
That's such a stupid shit aswell. Like what's the point of using it against Hit and not use it on Black when those guys are legit trying to kill him? Can someone give me a decent explanation of this.

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>>146885763
Repopulating is more fun.

>>146885847
Because it kills you 90% of the time and Zamasu's immortal, so even if he took out Black, it would all be moot as Goku would also be dead and that would leave Trunks to get thrashed by Zamasu and the villains ultimately winning.

>>146885847
Were you even paying attention? Go rewatch it faggot.

>>146885914
>spoonfeeding
Faggot

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>>146875515
Goten

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>>146885730

>>146885847
Goku would rather die than then fuck up his body so hard that he could never fight again I guess.
Also If they are going to use ssjb kaioken, there is nothing that would stop Black from using ssjr kaioken so it really doesn't matter.

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>>146874887

>>146885811
So what?
They could revive everyone who was killed by Black in the last 365 days.

>>146885933
You're saying the word "faggot" quite a lot. Stop being such a closet homo.

>>146885999
>projecting this hard
Faggot

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>>146885991
Gohanfags forever in misery

>>146886072
Look up "Irony".

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>>146885999
>>146886072
>They don't know everyone here is a faggot

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>>146886122
it's nice to keep finding new Mai art

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>>146885811
Shut the fuck up, Freeza was dead for over 7 years.

>>146885997

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>>146886122

>>146886226
Judging from all the kai posting I wouldn't be suprised.

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>>146885997
>They could revive everyone who was killed by Black in the last 365 days.
Which wouldn't be that many people.

>>146886265
Freeza couldn't be revived completely retard.

>>146886234
I love her Trenchcoat.

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>>146886265
>>146886502
>Freeza couldn't be revived completely retard.
Dumb fuck

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>>146886280

The worst thing about DBS even more so than the shoddy animation is the influx of shipping and waifu faggots it has bought to the threads.

>>146886570
>>146886502

Because he was cut up dumbasses. If he wasn't, he still would have been revived.

>>146886072
Are you emo or you just haven't come out from the closet?

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>>146886592

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>>146886623
mad faggot?

>>146886623
Does it trigger your autism?

So why is Mai young in Super?

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>>146886723
thanks to shenron

>>146886651
>cut to pieces long ago
>long ago
Time is the issue here dumbass, Shenlong was able to bring out the people Majin Vegeta vaporized easy.

>>146885268
actual spoiler: we've seen it in Toyotaro's Goku vs Hit, which by the way was one of the few cases where the anime was a million times better than the manga

>>146886800
Uh-huh, anon. Still revived him and those people.