Why haven't you made your own manga yet Anon?

I can't draw.

>>146850589
This.
It would be difficult getting another artist to draw the character designs in my head onto paper.

I'm not japanese.

That's cultural appopriation.

>>146850549
A friend of mine has but they are called comics.

>>146850549
I'm not Japanese. Not even asian.

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this is my western mango also known as a graphic novel

>>146853468
Why is it so hard for Caucasians to draw proper anime? Pretty much any Asian is a given, but I've also seen brown guys, hispanics, and especially black people draw anime pretty well. But 99% of the time when a white person tries to draw anime, there's always something "off" in their style. They can be amazing fucking artists, but their anime drawings will never look quite right. Sometimes you can't even pinpoint what it is exactly.

>>146854038
Like Mark Crilley.

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>>146854038
>But 99% of the time when a white person tries to draw anime, there's always something "off" in their style. They can be amazing fucking artists, but their anime drawings will never look quite right. Sometimes you can't even pinpoint what it is exactly.
I often think the same. Like here's an example. Done by a westerner, it's close, oh lord is it close, but there's just something off. If I had to take a guess it's that it's trying too hard to be overly expressive in an manga-ish style. If there's a root cause it might be lack of subtlety from western artists.

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>>146854275
>lack of subtlety

>>146854275
It's because they are aping a style instead of creating their own. These people are always anime/manga fans. You can always tell when someone is trying to emulate another's style unless they (the emulator) is very, very good.
>If there's a root cause it might be lack of subtlety from western artists.
You are fucking retarded.

>>146850549
I'm still getting gud. Give me a year.

>>146854538
>You are fucking retarded.
No u

>>146854688
Well played, anon.

>>146854538
I'm curious, for those of you who do try to draw do you guys stalk favorite artists and study their style to emulate or do you guys learn from a different source and try to build from there?

>>146854275
The shading is really detailed. It might look better if it were more simple because you can really feel the shift in style when she gets expressive.

>>146854911
A bit of both. Fundamentals are important, learning from non-h, non-/a/ sources are important, but so are emulating the people that you like and inspire you, even if they're not the best artists.

>>146854911
You do both. You study what you want to be able to do and learn from other sources. You basically steal as much information as you can from other sources and improve yourself. It all starts with the fundamentals though.

>>146850549
not weeb
can't draw

>>146855066
You're otaku. Of course you can draw.

Didn't we just have this thread a week ago? Don't make this a common thing, it doesn't belong.

>>146850549
working on writing right now, trying to improve my drawfag skills but that's gonna take a LOOOOOONG time

>>146854038
>implying the nips don't self emulate

I can't draw very well (better than scribbles but not by much).

I'm not Japanese.

I don't speak Japanese.

I don't live in Japan.

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can't draw.

>tfw all i ever wanted in life was to be able to put my ideas to paper and give them form
>all my drawings are Chris-chan tier

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>I have no confidence in my ability to carry a story.
>It takes me ages to draw anything half decent
>I have zero work ethic and am addicted to masturbation

>>146855603
You can draw well.

You are unique.

You can speak Japanese.

You can live in Japan.

>>146855755
You're me except you draw better.
>tfw 20-30 hours per page

>>146850549
But I have. Me and a friend of mine decided on doing a mini-series as a hobby since we both could draw, albeit he was better than me but I helped draw up the concepts and scenes while he polished and improved them.

We autistically spent at least 3 months trying to build the universe and world. We also considered the possibility of making it a LN and started writing up a few chapters in a novel format. In the end it got scrapped since we seperated internationally. He kept most of the drawings and shit so I don't really have any screenshots to share, but trying write stories is definitely very fun.

>>146850549
Because I can't draw for the sake of my life.
Seriously, my drawings suck, just like my handwriting. I wonder if the two things are related.

I can't draw. My normalfag friend can draw and would probably draw it for me, but my only idea is kind of heavy on loli fanservice and I don't really want to out myself as a pedophile.

I guess since you can't draw you can always make your own light novel

>>146856563
Not really, my casual handwriting is unintelligible to anyone but me, but my drawing is decent.

>>146850628
Why don't you learn how to draw?

>>146857881
Yeah, for whatever reason handwriting isn't as closely related to drawing skills as people might think at first, including myself. No matter how much I improve at drawing and painting, my handwriting remains near unintelligible. I think it's actually gotten worse.

>>146858043
Strive to improve your handwriting them.

To those who keep saying "can't draw", you just making excuse...keep drawing, man.

The drawfags are all shitty at drawing too initially, but they keep drawing all the time until they either satisfied or give up.

Keep drawing.

>>146854275
Is this any good?

>>146850549
Procrastination.
Being addicted to this piece of shit website.

>>146850549

Does visual novel count?

It scored mild success

>ywn have your work adapted by your countrymen

>>146850549
I'm not a Jap.

I wish can lower my standard and draw a shitty comic to the finish, I always think too hard and see tons of plot holes and mistakes in my comic that I just give up

Too much work involved.

Would have to dedicate a few years just to get fundamentals before I can even begin to do something with value.

What's the point? I'll die before I can ever put together a whole story. If I were to put in effort for something, I'd just stick to pure writing.

I am

Though my art is a bit lacking and im rushing and sketching pages ahead because I'm excited to get my idea on paper

Takes me like 2-3 hours to draw something i can call myself proud of

>>146855959
>The less time you take to draw = better artist

Hella untrue

>>146866331
There's correlation. Especially in comics, where a rushed page is the alternative to no page.

Most of the artists in the west goes to drawing furry porn

>>146866886
Speak for yourself.

>>146866886
>implying japs don't also do furshit

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But I did.

>>146867019
A BOY

>>146866331
That's true, but when you see someone pull this mad shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rynxr6twe4w
and you're still spending way more time on something that doesn't even look that good then it hurts a bit.
I'll get there one day.

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>>146857931
People who "learn" art aren't as good as people who are just naturally artistic.

Learned art is a meme colleges use to make money, and no "techniques" you learn will make your doodles any more impressive than someone else.

>>146867019
Stop posting that because it's already a thing.

https://www.fictionpress.com/s/3206139/1/

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>>146867019
ALWAYS

>>146854275
it's the inking/shading
for example in the first panel, since the inking and shading is of similar quality for both characters, your eye isn't drawn to either of them and it seems flat
problem with composition in the next one, why is two thirds of the panel so detailed and has such heavy line weight and shading? It's just a bed.
I want my eyes on the girl speaking, not the covers.
The last three panels are good though.

Kubo gave some good advice on this.

If you can't draw, hire someone else to draw
If you can't write, hire someone else to write

>>146867019

Stop posting Keit-ai because it's already an anime.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcVGDV67L-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_rz1bluG_k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLUjMWRCzic

>>146867671
this is a joke right?

I'm not a robot.

Explain why Keit-ai is a meme

>>146867019
wew lad

at last

http://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/keit-ai/list?title_no=36825

>>146850549
Comic book*
>>>/co/

>>146867710
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/keit-ai-finds-a-way/

inb4

>knowyourmeme.com

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>>146855760

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>>146867710
A self-perpetuating cancerbolaids.

>>146867554
anime directors can't draw for shit.
yet, they're making animus.

>>146867407
reminds me of that autistic(litterally) guy who could draw a entire cityscape perfectly after seeing it once
>write a light novel
Theirs so much cultural bullshit that I simply don't understand about japan. Whatever I write will be more like Daybreak at Hyperion than a light novel. Too many cultural conventions in their work that just doesn't make any sense or gets lost in translation like how they talk and automatically know who's talking.

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>>146867019
IT KEEPS FINDING WAYS

>>146867554
>and no "techniques" you learn will make your doodles any more impressive than someone else.
This is absolutely defeatist retardation. Fuck you, I know for a fact that talent is myth. Two years ago I'd be better off taking a shit on a page than trying to draw, but I told myself to stop being a fag and just fucking draw and now I consider myself to be somewhat decent.

There is nothing more pathetic than watching someone grumble their sour grapes and ignore everything they see and hear. Protip my fucking dude: art colleges have always been a meme. The only people who get anything out of "formal" art education nowadays are the total retards who can't use google or people who can already draw and are just looking for a pie to jam their fingers into.

Quit sucking on your thumb and crying about how you'll never make it because everyone else is soooo talented and just fucking draw you godamn bitch.

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>>146867554
>People who "learn" art aren't as good as people who are just naturally artistic

People like you used to make me upset, and then I realized that you live in a world where you genuinely believe that you will never amount to anything, and everyone that's good at something was just born with it.

>>146867703

oh, I'm sorry. I forgot some people don't have jobs.

Let me rephrase that

Let's say you have a cool idea for a manga, but you can't draw worth crap..


If you can't draw work with someone who can draw. Beg, whine, do some favors, whatever..

If you can't write dialogue, do the same.

Work with people who know their shit. Don't insist on doing everything alone

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>>146867019
Been there done that bro.

>>146867853
no
I mean is it a joke that this is a Kubo quote.

>>146867739
What if i draw it in manga style with a Japanese setting?

>>146867899
Are you in japan? Is it going to be published in japanese? In a japanese magazine? Aimed at a japanese audience?

If you answered no to any of these questions, you need to kill yourself right now.

>>146867805
See >>146867847

While the rest of functioning society will move on with their lives, he will continue holed up in his room believing that everything in life is forever out of his grasp. The satisfaction of that knowledge is worth much more than the annoyance that comes with hearing people like him discredit the work we put into our lives to better ourselves.

>>146867961
It could work, why does it have to come from a Japanese?

>>146850549
Why would nips want to buy my shit

>>146868042
It doesn't have to be, but without being japanese the other parts almost certainly won't be the case.

>>146850549
Because manga is simply a term used for any comic that comes out of Japan. Making a comic outside of Japan and calling it anime is like smearing feces on your face and calling yourself black.

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>>146867774
Hello again

>>146857931

There is no money in it.
At this rate you would actually lose more money just by doing.
The only thing out of it is fame.
I did not get any fame.

>>146867554
This. Art Schools are more of pyramid schemes than actual schools.

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>>146867019

>>146868042
Because if it doesn't, it's just an american (or wherever you're from) comic book

>>146868173
>tfw self taught
>tfw do book covers for a living
>tfw make 75k a year
>tfw no one will ever know my name outside of book publishers and a few crazies
>tfw my life completely blows your post out of the water

I'm just saying most people that go to art school end up leaving not being much better than they were than they entered. Most people who go to art school just want to improve their skills and while it may be just me being retarded, I honestly believe there won't be thousands of dollars WORTH of improvement. I'm not an artist so I wouldn't know but I've taken plenty of art classes and I've been shitty at art my entire life.
>>146867847

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>>146854275
They always have this type of face when they do draw them, from my experience.

>>146868592
https://youtu.be/2mrBbJ0eyVg?t=24m30s
Just listen for a minute, I quote this constantly.

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>>146868613
Could be worse.

>>146868592
>>146868688
Art is a representation of how much work you put in. You can hit the gym for 8 hours a day every day, but if you just play around with 5 pound weight, you're not going to get buff, no matter how much you pay for a gym membership.

In the same way, no one can physically make your mind pay attention and not just show up and go through the motions. If you're not improving in art, it is 100% because you are not putting in the effort and it will always show. It isn't something you can just go through the motions and get better at, like most things in life.

>>146868725
Gross.

I wish there were decent guides for drawing anime out there. I can't find any.

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>>146868798
>git gud at drawing traditionally
>find artists that you enjoy
>find out what parts of their style you enjoy
>copy them

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>>146868798
Try searching in weebspeak. You will still need proper fundamentals, unless you want to make it harder on yourself than necessary.

>>146868870
>>146868898
You guys are right actually. I'd need to get good at drawing all together.

>>146868229
I don't identify as my home country.

>>146869003
You need to learn the rules in order to break them. It's the difference between a purse snatcher and a corporate mogul.

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>>146868725
>this is a depiction of a human being

>>146869003
Yeah, what the other anon said. When you just try "drawing anime" without knowing how to draw you'll most likely end up as a deviantart reject.
Just keep practicing and don't burn yourself out. Practice with what you like to draw but don't be afraid to move out of your comfort zone.

>>146854275
Everything is too round whereas anime is flat. Look at the faces

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>>146869034
Peter Gray is just a misunderstood genius.

>>146869084
>>146869027
I will, anons. Do you know if the art/drawing boards here are worth checking out for advice?

>>146869027
>You need to learn rules in order to break them

Holy shit that sounds rad as fuck

>>146869149
Check the /ic/ sticky. Avoid the board.

>>146869193
Will do.

>>146867019
Is this real?

>>146869262
Also stick around for a while, I'll pack and upload some guides/books.

>>146869264
You impressed with that Manhua tier panelling?

I'm making a comic.

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>>146867019
Make way for the superior Keit-ai manga adaptation.

>>146869262
There you go.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jvar4dxkii8l92x/Art%20references.zip?dl=0
It's not an everything you need pack but there's some good stuff there. there's dick guides

>>146867805
>Talent is a myth.
I agree that you can achieve good drawing with hard work but don't lie to yourself.

>>146850549
I can draw but at a mediocre level and I'm pretty sure I do not have the drive to put in the work necessary.

>>146870197
If you are not a professional just take your time

Take brakes and come back when ever you feel

Or if you feel like sitting down and drawing that shit then do it

>>146867805
Everyone can learn to draw, and learn to draw well. People on /a/ could certainly become great manga artists, like that one white guy that draws really great hentai doujin for Japanese audiences.

However, talent is not a myth. You can spend your entire life drawing and you will not be a Picasso. You can spend your entire life making music and you won't be a Hendrix.

Everyone has limits to their potential. People with talent (as in, their brains are wired in a certain way from birth) just happen to have more potential than others. However, they still need to put in effort in their training, just like everyone else, so you still need to try.

>>146854275

This looks fine to me. Don't know what you're complaining about. I would've read a Japanese cartoon with style like this without a problem.

Except the mangaka might be sued because he's blatantly ripped off Erina, and the guy looks really familiar too.

>>146870289
I might. It'd be cool to bend the hopes and dreams of everyone at the whim of my cute girls.

And I mean, I have the drive, but between school and writing music, I don't have enough to full dive in. I think I'll try tonight though.

The real difficulty in writing SoL is not being actually boring and trite as fuck though.

>>146850549

Because I have a job. Or, not now. Just currently I'm uenmployed. But usually I have a job. A good paying one. You'll see.

>>146870289
>brakes
>not breaks

I hope you aren't writing anything anon any time soon

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>>146870621
When you find yourself with nothing to do just draw random cute anime girls to remind yourself of what you can do

Also
>I think i might try tonight though
Good luck and stay level headed but take breaks when necessary

>>146866331
less time to draw = more experienced, at the very least.

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>>146871047
>that snake

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>>146870968
>Tfw american
>Tfw sometimes i type so poorly people ask me to type in my native tounge

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>>146871352
At least you don't have an accent that makes everyone instantly assume you're some cyka blyat.

>>146870618
Sorry lad, your ability to appraise these things is just too low a level to see it. I'm sure when you get past the phase of thinking Avatar is an anime you'll get it.

>>146860762
Pretty good: hypnosis, regression, lots of pee. The only negative I'd mark it down for is lack of diapers

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Guess VNs count?

I like to draw and have some characters with a story idea but I'm not very good at the execution part so I just lose confidence really quickly.

Also I get massive amounts of secondary embarrassment whenever I see people publicly posting shitty manga-esque art or really mediocre comics. I wish I didn't have this problem because I'd probably be more willing to try making a comic or visual novel.

>>146869518
>dick guides
At one point while taking a figure drawing class the guy that worked next to me said I was too good at drawing benises. If I ever git gud I'd definitely use it to my advantage for porn commissions.

>>146850549
I tried to, until I finished reading Bakuman.

Post pages?

>>146871600
zis is nut a nais ting too say

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>>146873121

>>146850549
Nobody would read a manga about a veterans struggle with PTSD and the female Combat AI who fell in love with him during the battle but he doesn't know it's her. .

I have zero motivation for learning to draw at the moment
But I will, anon, I will

>>146873526
>female AI
>female artificial intelligence
>female
>intelligence
also >he doesn't know it's her
HEY GRILL HERE BTW
YA THAT'S NICE BUT IMA GRILL BTW

>tfw I can draw but I can't write for shit

>>146874032
you and me both, nigga

>>146874032
>>146874130
Find a writer you have good chemistry with and see about starting a project

>>146850549
because im an idea guy
and every cool thing i think of, i forget about it soon after

>>146850589
neither can ONE

>>146874340
Any site you can recommend to find writers specifically writing for manga/comic?

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>>146850549
Technically, I am making a comic.

Although the subject I have chosen is more of a anime manga kind of deal. Its about magical girls, after all.

I started working on a version of this after I found the direction of Nanoha Strikers doesn't fit my personal taste, but I still like the whole magictek aspect of the whole thing.

I have been posting in /co/ mostly but they are not particularly interested in something like this. I get critiques on the art from time to times, but rarely able to discuss ideas because frame of reference is so different.

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>>146874567

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>>146875313
>I just want to take things easy

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>>146875953
Dont bring this evil here

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>>146876762
>bkub
>evil

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>>146877103
I'd do it for her.

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>>146877233

>>146875313
Oh hey it's you, keep it up mate.

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Because I don't know how to write so I settle for making single images.

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>>146877378
Thanks, I'll do my best.

>>146877506
fix those pants