koe no katachi

Doesn't this manga basically say it was the girls fault for being bullied and is filled with other great "japanese philosophy"?

I only read the one shot

>blogshit

>>>/out/

>>146838478
>this actually hit close to home

Same, I've been "hard of hearing" since a very young age

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>This anime really made me sad for days after reading it

>>146838478
>anime
This manga was mediocre, anyway.

>>146838591
No, and I'm not sure where you got that.

>>146838591
>Doesn't this manga basically say it was the girls fault for being bullied and is filled with other great "japanese philosophy"?

No. You might have misunderstood some of the parts about how she feels like she's a worthless burden and everything is her fault.

The reader is not meant to agree with her. Rather, the author is trying to help the reader understand how disabled people (especially kids) can wind up depressed.

>>146838591
The one shot was garbage.

>>146838926
I can only accept this if you think the serialization was worse.

>see trending news story of kid being bullied because he was deaf
>had his backpack and all of his belongings dumped into a toilet
>immediately think of Koe no Katachi
Damn, people are fucking cruel.

>>146839163
>wtf
Please, lurk more.

>>146839163
in the beginning she didn't know she was hated so she liked him

>>146839019
>Damn, people are fucking cruel.
yep, but WHY? that's the question koe no katachi ignores because it was only concerned with shock value.

>>146838665
>No, and I'm not sure where you got that.
It's like that in the one-shot

>>146838822
same as above

>>146839402
You have some weird reading of it, then.

>>146839234
is still bullshit. and in the serialization gets worse: she confesses to him. the guy finds her, apologizes and some chapters later she was saying "AYE LIGE YEW". I expected a gradual involvement, after all, people who suffer from bullying are insecure and do not trust easily in others. but the author prefers soap operas, unfortunately.

>>146839264

>that's the question koe no katachi ignores

Wow.

I mean, I don't want to go all "2deep4u", but it looks like half the fucking story just flew right over your head. God, no wonder you didn't like it, you had no idea what was going on half the time.

Maybe you'd be better off reading political cartoons, where everything is clearly labeled.

>>146839264
it was explained. They think the disabled person is being a burden on purpose. Dragging the class down. They think the deaf person can JUST be normal if they tried.

>>146839264
please be joking

>>146839500
>Why Ueno mistreats Nishimiya?
Just because. She is a jealous child, anyway. (Wow, very deep).
>Why the teacher is a son of a bitch?
Just because (Wow, I'm drowning in the deep).

The only bully receiving a deeper treatment is the MC.

>>146839489
>some chapters later
An interesting way to say "a third of the entire series later".

>>146839736
He didn't say it was deep, nigger. Learn to read. Also learn to type in English without making mistakes every four words.

>>146838478
Shouko was a mistake.

so does the MC kiss or confess to Nishimiya?

>>146839544
>>146839629
you know why it is easy to tolerate the MC, but not ueno? both were bullies. but he was developed, she doesn't. ueno is just that kind of character that the author uses to make a point, to make drama. a plot device.

>>146840022
>Maybe you'd be better off reading political cartoons, where everything is clearly labeled.
Sure.

>>146840059
Of course, in fanfictions.

>>146840114
she wasn't*

>>146840059
They're pretty lewd in the last chapter.

>>146840183
That doesn't mean it's deep, that means you're retarded.

>>146840114
people like her exist though. They don't ever develop

>/a/ - katawa shoujo & Blogs

>>146840472
i'm not talking about maturity. i'm talking about exploring the nuances of the character. ueno has none. she exists only to be a bad bitch.

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>>146840185
I just wanted it for nishimiyas sake. She deserved to get what she wanted considering how much she suffered.

>>146840239
pic related

When is the movie coming out anyway?

>>146842182
11 days

>>146842329
How big of a hit is it expected to make?

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>>146842430
I dunno.

>>146842526
You must have an idea.

>>146842611
Nope.

>>146839019
I always feel bad reading such news stories and wonder how can the world be so cruel to cute girls. But then if I see a picture of the victim and see they are just a 3D person I completely lose interest.

From a few days ago. Warning: spoilers. And triggering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbggi7dOLCg

>>146843290
i couldn't watch more than 60 seconds without tears in my eyes

>>146843290
>triggering
>>>/tumblr/

>>146843290
Fuck. doesn't feel good but at least I know I can still feel

>>146843290
Kids are real fucking assholes holy shit.
All the mad is coming back to me.

>>146843290
I'm fucking interested now. I will watch this.

>>146843862
So you're saying what she goes through is okay?

>>146843862
>>146844285
Both of you kill yourselves.

>>146843443
and people say knk is not emotional manipulative

>>146844360
literal autism

Reminder that advocating bullying is not cool. And you don't fit in if you do it.

>>146844360
Everything is manipulative to some degree.
Even the shit you like is intended to manipulate your emotions. You feel good after watching some shit tier animu, right? Well, they're manipulating you because it's making you feel something that otherwise you wouldn't feel.

>>146844526
>anonymous imageboard full of single adult men who barely interact with society
>DON'T ADVOCATE BULLYING GUYS
What are you even doing? Go try to effect social change on Facebook or something.

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I love this manga.

>>146843290
Is this some show for middle aged women? Why is the studio full of flowers and shit?

>>146844937
This is my world. I want to keep it nice and kind.

>>146845171
No you don't.

>>146845221
>not liking flowers

>>146845171
Your taste is shit.

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Very nice manga. I love it

>>146845994
To think her dad and grandparents hated her too. Poor thing.

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Ugh, this thread stinks of tumblr.

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>>146842430
Financially it'll probably be average but what's exciting is that Koe no Katachi is offiically being sponsored by MEXT, the Ministry of Education and other things that have a T in them.

It's going to be in every single school across the nation minus university to promote anti-bullying and anti-suicide.

Also KnK is going to have an advanced screening at the Tokyo University of Art and Design's school festival.
https://twitter.com/kuad_official/status/772020215303417857

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>>146843290
I like how normally the people in the boxes go "ohhh, sugeee" at everything but this time they're dead silent and look like they're about to fucking cry.

PTSD probably

>>146845294
>>146845852
Autism

>>146844787
yeah, you're right, BUT, there is a thing called subtlety. our suspension of disbelief is connected to it. so if I realize you're manipulating me, it means you've done the wrong way.

>>146846326
This is great.

>>146839736
But the teacher wasn't a dick "just because". When the protag said that he didn't do anything the teacher said that he was going to learn a lesson, this is a thing he said before and after. Showing that the teacher knew at least to some extent what was happening and wanted to teach the MC a hard lesson. Read the beginning again.

>>146846326
>Financially it'll probably be average but what's exciting is that Koe no Katachi is offiically being sponsored by MEXT, the Ministry of Education and other things that have a T in them.
>It's going to be in every single school across the nation minus university to promote anti-bullying and anti-suicide.
OH NO
if the government supports, it is shit. it is one of those works made to help people. the entertainment becomes background.

>>146846625
You're trying to manipulate people to think that just because you think some way then you're right. But you're doing it wrong, your're not being subtlety.
Stop trying to manipulate people on thinking that you're not a retard, because you are, a big one.

>>146846326
The romance was literally the only interesting thing about that shit. The bullying melodrama was awful (outside of the one shot. )

>>146840694
Jesus christ at least give some warning before you post that

>>146846794
KnK was literally a oneshot made to help people

>>146846936
What romance?

>>146838478
>This anime
the anime is out already?

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>>146846326
KyoAni is literally going to shape the future of Japan

>>146847071
Haven't you heard about it?

>>146846786
and I suggest you to read the rest again. don't you remember how he treated ishida when they met years later? the teacher is a very cold person. he sees the boy as a burden. he's just there to represent educators who ignore when a kid has problems. so he's like that for the sake of the plot. an unilateral character with no nuances.

>>146847100
I didn't know it aired already

>>146847080
They've gotten so far.

>>146846896
>cute girl, moe design, insecure, who loves and helps everyone. plus: she is deaf.
>the world hates and mistreats her.
>this happens in 90% of the scenes
these are facts. i'm not trying to change the thinking of anyone.

Nishimiya is hot and her deafness isn't genetic. She has super genes so that completely overpowers any message Koe no Katachi tries to make.

Any credibility of Ishida being genuinely apologetic or Ueno actually discriminating against deafness is severely compromised by Nishimiya being beautiful. You cannot rule out the motivations of a man wanting to fuck a beautiful woman, and a girl being jealous of said beautiful woman she was confirmed jealous of in middle school.

>>146847155
it hasn't you dork. the Movie is out on the 17th

>>146847691
but the op was talking about the anime.

>>146847707
what do you mean? I thought it was only a movie and a manga

>>146847562
Try /r9k/.

>>146847772
r9k? but all they do is whine about not having a girlfriend,
all day everyday.

>>146847562

You can get deaf by other reasons than genetics. Some antibiotics can make you deaf for example.

>>146847155
It's a movie. It's shown in theaters.

I think that it's a pretty interesting manga, because it shows how cruel kids can be to each other for no good reason what so ever. Kids are sort of small little sociopaths who don't know how much damage they can do.

Also all the hate on Ueno is kind of uncalled for, she's being afraid to get bullied to so she doesn't involve herself to much and she's jealous. Kowai doesn't necessarily do anything mean, but she doesn't try to fix anything either. I hope the movie tries to show their motivation and reasoning behind what they do better than the manga did, that's the most interesting part.

>>146840549
>katawa shoujo
If bully MC ends up with deaf girl in this manga/movie thing too, I'm calling all this anti-bullying crap bullshit.
Just your patterned romance shit.

>>146840549
>katawa shoujo
?

>>146847080
Shit tier
Mochi tier
Who tier
Waifu tier
Fag tier
Mum tier

>>146847866
Use the google.

>>146847888
no

>>146847826
ah so its going to take a very long time before we actually see a non camrip version of it.

>>146847866

I'm still not sure if this game is real or if it's just like that keit-ai meme.

>>146848072
its a meme

>>146847866
>>146848072
lurk more

>>146847826
>I think that it's a pretty interesting manga, because it shows how cruel kids can be to each other for no good reason what so ever.
Kids, yes. Because they don't really think about their actions. Ishida was like that.

However, teenagers only act without reason if they are psychos. That's my problem with this series, the author doesn't explore the whys enough. That's why so many people hate Ueno. Let's face it, her role is to be the bad girl. An anime could expand these issues, not a movie.

>>146838478
This anime is shitty and emotionally manipulative.
It's the Elfen Lied of our time.

>>146848072
>why does she need glassess if she is deaf?

>>146848333

I haven't read the manga since it was released, but I think we got a bit of insight in how Ueno was thinking. She was afraid she'd be bullied if she supported MC, and she was jealous towards female MC (yes I've forgotten their names). I think her actions are pretty understandable, even though they are selfish. She's not a psycho, she's an insecure teenager.

>>146847080
they couldve retconned the Phantom Sales girl desu

>>146848715

The abbreviation for "to be honest" have been desu for a while.

>146848473
Trying really hard to force this meme.

I enjoyed the manga and it really made me want to fuck a deaf girl.

Looking forward to the movie.

>>146848756

I guess it's the same group that's trying to force the meme that Re:Zero is the greatest anime in a decade. I don't know what board they're from, but it's pretty sad.

The best reaction picture out of the koe no katachi manga was where Ueno made hasty handsigns towards her little sister showing that she's angry, and the caption was
>You are already deaf
in reference to Fist of the North Star.

>>146848494
Did Ueno imply her mom hits her or am I remembering wrong?

>>146848863
maybey not the decade, but its the best this year so far.

>>146848941
Not a chance.

>>146848715
>now
Sure thing, newfriend.

>>146849126
so whats better then?

>>146848333
Have you met a teenager?

>>146848866
>Ueno

>>146848734
>>146849162
I guess I just haven't tried typing desu in a while desu desu senpai

>>146849168
2016 has been bad but Re:Zero is shit
Kono bijutsubu and Luluco are better and they're not even good or trying to be

>>146848333
I'm gonna tell you something. And this for everyone who thinks the movie is trash for not exploring into the psychological aspect of the bullying.
I used to bully other classmates, and if you were fortunate to be part of the group of bullies, you'd agree with me. There's not a fucking single reason, a valid one, to be a bully. You just do it because you think it's fun. Yes, even if you're 16, 17, 18 yo. You just think it's fun to molest the weakest people in the classroom. That's it. There's nothing else behind that kind of behavior.
You could say that we are fucking psychos or whatever, and maybe you're right, or maybe not, because usually the people who used to bully others tend to grow up of that phase and become normal adults like anyone else.

So, sorry if you were bullied and to this date you are still wondering yourself why other guys used to pick on you. I'm pretty sure they just wanted to have some fun and your reactions just made of you an easy target.

>>146849168
Rakugo

>>146850256

At least you know that if you get run over by a truck you really deserve it.

>>146850256
You seem to have a dark spot about this and you are misguided
There's always motivation behind people's actions, and in the case of bullying, lots of the time the kids that are bullied are mean little assholes

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>>146850256
>tfw used to get bullied but then moved and became really cool at my new school

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>>146848866

>>146850459
>tfw used to get bullied
>tfw still get bullied
I should kill myself desu

>>146850630
I hope we get a lot of handporn in the movie.

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>>146850459
>>146850685
>tfw used to get bullied
>tfw stopped being an angry asswipe in highschool
>tfw stopped getting bullied

>>146850256
People who get bullied deserve it. Also the psychological impact of bullying has been vastly overstated. Isolation is what can really ruin your childhood. At least bullied kids usually have one or two even more pathetic friends.

>>146850685
Maybe you'll at least meet your waifu.

>>146838478
They eventually bang right?

>>146850851
>People who get bullied deserve it
I can hear the supersonic fedora tipping all the way over here.

>>146850439
The only motivation (excluding some exceptional cases where there might be something else like genuine hate for someone or whatever) would be showing your classmates who's on top of the class. And like I said, you think it's fun, so if we're to dig into the reasons for bullying, then the bullies are sadists and they get some kind of satisfaction seeing other people suffering.

But I personally don't want the movie to talk about that, because it'll be a fucking documentary. Shit, if you people really really want explanations about the reasons behind the bullying then go and look for a documentary and stop bashing the movie.

>>146848494
The problem is that this was very little explored. Most of the time she was portrayed as a cruel girl. So the question is not:
> She acted that way because she was jealous?
But:
>Why she was so possessive? What happened to her to be that way?
Understanding these points would help her character to be more human rather than just the stereotype of the jealous bitch.
>>146849309
Do you really think teenagers are cruel just because? It is very simplistic to think that way. People are not born cruel (except, again, in cases of psychological problem), they learn to be. Why? The author does not answer this question. On the contrary, in the end she just accept that people are that way, and the proof is that Ueno, Nishimiya and the others remain together, despite all the shit.

>>146850851
>isolation is what can really ruin your childhood

The only thing you've said in your post that is correct.

I hope you never become a parent.

>>146850923
>But I personally don't want the movie to talk about that, because it'll be a fucking documentary.
only if you are a shit writer. developing these subjects doesn't mean being didactic. That's why knk is nothing more than melodrama, the gray areas are ignored

>>146851136
>developing these subjects doesn't mean being didactic
yes it does

>>146850256
Teens do bully because it's fun. Okay. But why they think it is fun? Why did they create this kind of thinking? There's a reason. Always.

>>146851428
>only if you are a shit writer.

>>146844937
get a load of this guy

>>146851444
Some people just want to watch the world burn

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>>146838478
The mother was the best

>>146851377
>>146851444
You were bullied when kids/teens and you will never ever understand what's going on on the minds of the bullies.
As for me, I cannot think of a single reason or motivation that could clarify your doubts.
It was just fun for us watching the shorter guy of the classroom about to break. I don't think I wanted to hurt them, but that's how we had fun back then.

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>>146851136
I hope you and the rest of the self-pity brigade someday manage to get over your immense issues over other kids being mean to you back when you yourself were just a kid.

>>146851617
Still, there is a reason. You may not know, but there is. Being fun is the consequence, not the reason.

>>146851699
Nice assumption there. I wasn't bullied as a child.

>>146851699
>it's not our fault we bullied you

>>146851699
>pic
The author is smart. Chose a cute, small and moeblob girl because it is easier to manipulate the reader. If Nishimiya was a big fat, ugly, deaf girl, addicted to Cheetos, secretly fujoshi, who masturbate to relieve stress, I doubt that this manga would be so loved.

I'm being serious here.

>>146838478
What it should have been:
>deaf girl goes to hearing school, drama and misunderstandings occur, but eventually love triumphs in the end
What actually did happen:
>bullying, melodrama, and eventually a suicide attempt by the poor little deaf girl who just can't take life anymore because she is so disabled
>story becomes a morality tale instead of one focused on reconciling difference

Great job hearing people. Way to make everything about yourselves.

>>146851612
bastard

>>146852139
>love triumphs in the end
bitch
you're just a shipper
dont try to cover it up.

>>146852139
>drama and misunderstandings occur, but eventually love triumphs in the end
this part is the plot of koe no katachi

>>146852139
>story about a deaf girl should've been played as a straight love comedy

Now THAT would've been manipulative.

>>146852273
cept the last part

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>>146850851
is this you

How's the romance?

>>146852350
There's romance in this?

>>146852350
Awful because the author couldn't decide whether to go ahead and make the story about the budding romance between the two MCs or continue to focus on making Ueno look as terrible as possible.

>>146852323
but love triumphs in the end. everyone is in good terms with everyone. it's not romantic love, but it's still love.

>heroine actually accepts faggot MC's apology despite the ridiculous amount of bullying

I can't believe that /a/ could get behind a story like this.

>>146852469
The MC was also being bullied, albeit indirectly. Didn't you read the one shot?

>>146852139
>Love triumphs in the end
Good job, you completly trivialize any serious examination into bullying and the struggles faced by the disabled just to pander to your audience.

>>146852469
THIS
I mean, I'm not against forgiveness, but it happens too fast. Three chapters later she was already in love with him.

>>146852469
wasn't it implied she was smitten by him even before his hell face turn?

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>>146852469
Hey, /a/ isn't a single person.
I also think it's too forced.

>>146852517
so? one thing compensates the other?
>hey, I fucked your life, but they fucked with my life too, let's be friends (or maybe more)?

>>146852714
>Hey, /a/ isn't a single person.
but I am

>>146852606
>you completly trivialize any serious examination into bullying and the struggles faced by the disabled
>im-fucking-plying

First off deaf people aren't really "disabled." They just don't need to hear. Second there was very little "examination" of deaf culture in this manga. It was mostly focused on muh bullying which is what made it such a let down.

the designs were cute. it was fun for a one-shot. not the actual one-shot version. i one-shotted it. as in, read all of it in one go.

>>146852606
>Good job, you completly trivialize any serious examination into bullying and the struggles faced by the disabled just to pander to your audience.
But this is KnK. Or do you really believe that the manga is realistic? C'mon!

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>>146852788

>First off deaf people aren't really "disabled."

>>146838478
>anime
you just used your time machine to post this OP?

>>146852606
Not him, but fuck you and everyone else who wants muh serious examination at any cost - it's fiction, not a sociological thesis. Messages and truth are not the goal. If you do a serious examination, it better be entertaining to read/watch.

>>146854211
This. "Muh real life struggles" is not a defense of a story.

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>>146852788
>deaf people aren't really "disabled."

>>146855281
Deaf culture. Learn about it.

>>146838478
Fuck off.