Black isn't Goten

>>146436845
>Black is Goten

Do people actually believe this? I thought it was just a meme.

>>146436845
No fucking shit. He's called GOKU Black. Don't take these stupid retards seriously.

>>146436845
>Goku would be able to recognize his son
Just like he did when they first met in dbz right?

>>146436901
It's goten's son

Named after grandfather

>>146436887
>>146436901

I see there conspiracy theorists all over DB super threads after the Zamasu reveal.

I don't know why the meme won't die. There's no logic to it, just grasping straws.

Remember when Magetta was Broly in a robot suit? WTF

>>146436915

Your theory has a huge flaw, Gowasu and Beerus are not linked, Beerus is not the god of destruction of universe 10 and thus killing Gowasu wouldn't affect Beerus at all

Black is obviously Puar in disguise

>>146437655
You're right. But regardless, I think someone mentioned Beerus no longer being alive in the future, so that implies not only he is dead, but so is the Supreme Kai, maybe even Whis. So, assuming Gowasu is still dead by Zamasu's hand, Goku Black could also easily be the god of destruction from that universe. Which would then make for even more bullshit. Like what the fuck are they doing in a different universe. Are they going from universe to universe wiping shit out?

It's gonna be something really, really stupid.

I hope you're all braced for disappointment.

What if Black is Naruto after using the Ninjutsu to transform bodies?

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Why can't Toei do anything apart from 2fast2furious punching spam and constantly reused frames of animation?

>>146437035
>>146436887
>>146436845
Latest meme is Black is Hit x Goku. Get with the times, grampa.

>>146437781

I think Zamasu deliberately looked for a universe with no supreme kai and god of destruction so he and Black could takeover as the gods of that universe. Zamsu as supreme kai and Black as a god of destruction.

Calling it now, he just created another Goku. He knew he couldn't defeat him, so he just made his own Goku clone using god magic.

>>146437828
This actually looked good you faggot.
There wasn't one fast punching scene in Z even close to 0:08.

>>146438001
>This actually looked good you faggot.
No it didn't dumbass

>>146437828
I actually like 2fast4u punch spams

Calling it now. Black is the original Super Saiyan God.

>>146438050

I actually thought it looked pretty cool. For a second it showed Vegeta as a badass blocking a punch from a much stronger opponent.

>>146437828
But this looks great

>Finally fast punches that aren't only paint lines spammed everywhere on the frame

>>146436845
Black is just Goku hypnotised

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>>146438001
>>146438114
>>146438147
>>146438162

So is this arc ending soon or goku is going to lose so we get more training and a power up?

>>146436845
I thought Gotenfags didn't exist. Why would people love Goten you retard.

Black is Cell
>wants to attain perfection
>smug as fuck
>fabulous
>Magnificent villainy
I can't understand why you people can't see

>>146437828
Because, I don't know... it's a week to week program where there isn't as much focus on the details than getting it out of it's near month of development?
There will be shortcuts taken on a Week to week TV series just to get it released. Dragon Ball is far from the first to be subject to that (through with the Olympics hijacking the time slot for a month, the team got a bit of a break).

>>146438270

Oh they exist. Just look at any DB super thread and Goten is the most prevalent Black theory for some stupid reason.

>>146438318
If he was Cell, he would have immediately announced himself to be Cell. He loved attention

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Cell > Black > Frieza > Vegeta > Piccolo Daimao > Buu > Pilaf

We all agree right?

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Man can you think of the asspain if /a/ (or really any DB/anime forum) was around in 1989?

I can see it

>What the fuck is this shit why are fucking aliens here
>Goku a fucking alien? Lmao what an asspull this will be shit
>Did you see that shit animation when goku attacked Raditz? Fucking cheap ass Toei, it looks worse than the first series!
>Where the fuck are the adventures?
>Nobody cares about Dragon balls in fucking Dragon ball?
>Super Sayian? What the actual fuck?
>Blonde hair lmao faggot
>SSj ultra and 2? Ok thats enough Z is dead
>a fucking pink faggot as the main villain?
>Oh shit guys! Did you see GT? It goes back to the roots! Finally a true sequel, not this failure Z

Faggots, all of you.

>>146438318

I actually considered this.

Seems unlikely though. Black's personality seems different from Cell.

>>146438366
What better way to announce it magnificently

>>146438270
there are legitimate gotenfags that exists as I am one of the few but I suspect that most of them here right now are falseflagging gohan/broly faggots who just wants to shitpost or whatnot.

>>146438368
Yes. But I would put Cooler better than freezer but he's not canon so that's excusable.

>>146438392

kek

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>>146438321
>it's a week to week program
Nah even the Naruto and Pokemon anime have better fights than the Dragon Ball Super anime.

Don't you guys think they're overdoing with Vegeta?
I appreciate the character, but they can't give him a good fight without a humiliation at the end, if they absolutely want him to lose then it's ok, but why do they need to trash him everytime?Sometimes it's funny but there, I really expected a decent fight against Black.

>>146438368
>Cell > *

Agreed.

>>146438368
>Cell
>First
>We all agree right?
No you have shit taste.

>>146438510
Cherry picking episodes won't help anon. Both had their share of QUALITY.

>>146438532

In Vegeta's defense. Goku hasn't beaten anyone in the entire run of Super.

Except Botamo.

>>146438368
>Black above anything

Worst villain so far

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>>146438510
Every animation can look great when its slow as fuck.

Also the colors are all fucked up and it makes it look like shit

>>146438532
>the vegetafag appears
Fuck off. Everyone got jobbed this episode.

>>146438368
Yes

>>146438586
Yeah but Goku don't get his ass blasted like that, he can pull up a good fight and maybe lose after

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>>146438567
>Both had their share of QUALITY.
Not as bad as DBS

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>>146438620
Kek, no.

First villain in like forever that didn't have everything revelaed about him in the first episode he appears

>>146437828
>ORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORAORA
>bad

>>146438510
I really hate this kind of hipster bait animation. Sure it flows well, but it looks like crap and at that point I'd rather watch live animation than this shit.

>>146438715
>not as bad as
Not an argument

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>>146438621
>Every animation can look great when its slow as fuck.
Explain pic related then.

>>146438715
>Pokemon is still going on.

How can you watch this garbage. Its literally the same for thousands of episodes.

Even fucking Ash dosn't grow up.

>>146438772
>Not an argument
Yeah it's true.
Also neither is
>C-cherry picking
and moving the goal post.

>>146438779
Looks beatiful. Pinnacle of animation.

Now fuck off

>>146437828
Because they are lazy and can't into choreography. Its Toei what else did you expected?

>>146438783
Are you fucking serious you're in a dragonball thread

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>>146438839
Nah

>>146438839
absolutely. only plebs with shit taste won't appreciate the beauty that it is.

>>146438827
Yes cherry picking episodes is not an argument,I already said that.
>moving goal post
What was the goal in the first place

>>146438884
Atleast time flows normally kinda.

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its actually gohan

>>146438735

I agree. Black is one of my favorite villains so far. He's without a doubt the most interesting antagonist.

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>yfw Hit's timeskip is basically King Crimson from Jojo but done and executed better

>>146438510
The kakashi and obito fight had months of filler before it so they actually took some time to animate it

>>146438735
Have you seen cell saga

So wait

If Beerus and Kaioshin are linked, does that mean that Beerus could have died when Buu kicked Kaioshin's shit in?

Also why this particular Kaioshin? Buu killed 4 others, one of them being technically the most superior and the one that would make sense to have a link with Beerus. Also what about the old Kaioshin?

I can only imagine that the link can be passed on between Kaioshins, and if not then TORIYAMAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>146438368
Cell>Frieza>King Piccolo>Buu>everything in DBS

>>146438950
>Hey i am Cell when i eat androids and people i become strong

All in the span of like one episode.

>>146438620
Black is literally the first villain in the whole franchise that actually has a cause that isn't ''I'm evil and I want power''

Granted his motivations are delusional but still, he and Zamasu are the first villains who think they are actually doing the right thing

>>146438977

I think all the Supreme Kais would have to die. Gowasu and Zamasu would probably both have to die for the U10 god of destruction to die.

Or they just fucked up. Who knows haha

>>146438977
>If Beerus and Kaioshin are linked, does that mean that Beerus could have died when Buu kicked Kaioshin's shit in?

Yes

>Also why this particular Kaioshin? Buu killed 4 others, one of them being technically the most superior and the one that would make sense to have a link with Beerus. Also what about the old Kaioshin?

If all Kaioshins die, Beerus dies, that particular Kaioshin is just the last one left

>>146438977
You are retarded
There should be atleast one Supreme
>>146439022
It didn't say how he originated or what his endgoal is or how he knows Kamehameha and makawhatever
>I am son goku and i am going to kill you all

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Ahahah! Mhahaha!

Subarashii~

Utsukushii, daro~?

>>146439021
Someone needs to drop his nostalgia goggles

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>>146438905
>cherry picking
I picked a well aniamted episode of Naruto and compared it to a well animated episode DBS. That wasn't cherry picking dumbass and saying c-cherry picking in desperation doesn't mean you're right and is not an argument.

>What was the goal in the first place
No it wasn't you said DBS sucks because is a long running week to week anime I picked an example that fits under that and then you tried dismiss it c-cherry picking.

>>146439131
A ching chong saiyajin to you too Pink Goku

ESL Mexican detected >>146439123


Do not reply to him

I repeat: do not reply to him

>>146438735
>First villain in like forever that didn't have everything revelaed about him in the first episode he appears
Confimed not remembering shit about the series

>>146439157
>well animated episode episode of dbs
And that's where cherrypicking comes
Don't move the goal posts fagboy

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>>146438392
To be fair, even now plenty of people are of the opinion that Goku being revealed to be an alien all along and everything which was added as a consequence dilluted dragonball's story's charm and personality and they are correct.

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Freeza>>Vegeta>Black>Piccolo Daimao>Buu>Red Ribbon Army>Cell>Pilaf

>>146438950
Cell has everything revealed about him in the first 3 chapters

>>146438735
Remember that time Buu was revealed and then like 100 chapters later we learned that he had absorbed two of the Kaioshin?

>>146439221
Are you stupid? The latest episode of DBS was one of the best animated episodes of the series but the fight was still trash.

>>146437828
Is there even a point in training in this fucking setting if any enemy they ever encounter is going to be set to x+1 power level every goddamn time ?

>>146439366
That's like 3 weeks anon

>>146439142
And wear rose tinted glasses? I'll pass

>>146439123
No but you knew who he was. and yes we knew his end-goal. Becoming perfect.

With Black we only knew he look like goku and was killing everyone.

We still to this point don't know who it really was.

I mean look a bit on the net there is a fuckton of theories about Goten or Zamasu.

There was nothing like this about Cell or any other

>>146439401
>but the fight was still trash

well I liked it

now what you nigger faggot?

>>146439401
Again cherrypicking.Go to your containment board pokenarutofag.

>>146439447

>inb4 some faggot calls your opinion shit

>>146439418
And how many months has this arc been going on for?

>>146439489
your opinion is shit

t. faggot

>>146439444
We already no l know what Black's endgoal is in 3 episodes. Just what his past is. Truth about Cell too was revealed much later.

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>>146439447
Well you have shit taste then.

>>146439451
>c-cc-cherry p-picKing
No argument, fuck off.

>>146439517
So the quality of a villain depends on how long he is mysterious?
Execution matters too senpai.

>>146439567
>no argument, fuck off
Not an argument
>>>/r/naruto

>>146439567
>Posting always this episode
wew

>>146439523
>>146439567

>Let me tell you what you should and shouldn't enjoy

>>146439598
He's the one who brought up 3 weeks. Cell had everything revealed about him in his fight with Piccolo, no mistery, no suspense, terrible execution too because Cell should have known that Piccolo could just snap off his arm and regenerate since he has both his powers and his memory.

>>146437035
>Remember when Magetta was Broly in a robot suit?
WTF
I find it hard to believe that even the most rapid 12 year old Broly fanboy latino thought this was going to be true.

>>146439598
Why are you all ignoring this?

>>146439051

>>146439684
welcome to 4chan faggot

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>>146439652
>Not an argument
Not an argument, enjoy your shit animation faggot.

>>146439721
Not an argument. Envoy your shit show,kid

>>146439598

I think the quality of the villian has to do more with how enthralled you are by them. Also I think what matters about a misterious villain is how interested you are in figuring out the secret.

>>146438510
Neither show is fairly consistent when it comes to quality. And tend to have bigger quality dips when working with a prolonged schedule... As I said, Dragon Ball is far from alone with that and any program that sees a consistent release schedule past a season tends to suffer from pretty random (and massive) quality swings. Depending on the studio and their release schedules of different programs, this can happen during a season as well.
In Super's case the fact that the debut of the Future Trunks arc happens just as the Olympics finished and there was a rather big jump in quality (at least for the first two episodes) is more than a sign of that since, there was more time to put into quality assurance.

>>146439714
Who are you calling faggot, faggot?

>>146439694

People had all kinds of crazy theories about the U6 fighters. Then they all turned out to be pushovers, except for Hit.

>Pokemom anime fights
>better than Dragon Ball Super

they're about the same, with Pokemon being slightly worse due to their shit tier use of 3D

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>>146439721
>Being so mad Dragon ball Super is pulling better ratings than Naruto even if this is the first series in 20 years

Kek. Stay assblasted faggot.

Naruto is D E A D

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How come when Zamasu and Gowasu went 1000 years into the future the Babarians weren't already dead from Zamasu having killed them?
Or did Zamasu not exterminate them over 1000 years?

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>>146438368
Black/Zamazu > Frieza > Vegeta > Picolo > Cell > Buu

>>146439798
>In Super's case the fact that the debut of the Future Trunks arc happens just as the Olympics finished and there was a rather big jump in quality
Meh there were lots of inconsistencies with the background changing between shots and the fight itself was lackluster.
So if this is a high quality DBS episode that really disappointing.

>>146439923
Hey, i am pretty sure There will be a movie about Cabba's planet.

>>146439993
Just a wild guess

He didn't actually think of killing them all until going to the future. What you saw was what would have happened to the Babarians if he presumably never killed them.

>>146439923
Remember when many said Frost was the strongest even when the fucking OP showed him right after Botama

>>146440052
If he ever thought of doing it at any point, which he obviously has since he's mentioned to having already cleaned tons of planets, he would've only have had to have done it at any point before the 1000 year mark.

>>146440079
I always found it hilarious that Frost spent the remainder of that tournament unconscious.

>>146439993
He can't get away with just killing stuff how he wants in a universe with both kaioushin and god of destruction alive. Which is why he went to Trunks timeline and universe where there was basically no one that could stop him. This also ties in with Black being content with just stranding Trunks in a different timeline.

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>>146439759
>>146439980
>implying
I'm a DBfag but this shit animation and choreography is doing the series a disservice but keep eating shit faggots.

>>146440202
I will. Now fuck off.

>>146439954
>they're about the same
Yeah right.

Greninja VS Sceptile League: https://my.mixtape.moe/zkjlux.webm


Ash VS Diantha: https://my.mixtape.moe/xgicxk.webm
Perfecting Synchro: https://my.mixtape.moe/dkardv.webm
Pikachu VS Aegislash: https://my.mixtape.moe/sfgjsk.webm
Hawlucha VS Weavile: https://my.mixtape.moe/pzifjm.webm
Talonflame VS Unfeazant: https://my.mixtape.moe/hjbbcn.webm

>>146440202
Stop falsefagging kiddo

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>>146438368
Freeza>>Black>>>Cell>=Vegeta>Piccolo Daimo>Tao>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Buu

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>>146440224
literally you

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>>146440202
Actually you posted a fucking shit webm.

First of all. No details whatsover on Frieza or even Goku most of the time..

Also what the fuck was Freeza doing at 0:12?

Also holy fuck did Z run at 5 fps?

The smoke is literally 3 frames.

Goku dodging isn't like 20 smooth frames but one frame he is on the left the second he is on the right.

Only nice moment is the one with the tail.

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>Super Saiyan Rose is the real name

Black is just a Bizarro Goku. Zamasu seems Lex enough to hate Goku.

>>146439413
It's Goku's fault he got so strong. If Vegeta had faced him when he was still in the past he would have been vaporized.

>>146440079

Remember when Cabba was gonna go SSJB or possibly another saiyan transformation?

Then it turned out he couldn't even go SSJ.

>>146440240
Most of them are shit

>>146440298
>Cell
>that high
>buu
>that low
Nope

>>146438368
Just switch Buu and Pilaf.

>>146440347
Black Rose

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>>146440353
Nice argument you got there, retard.

>>146440347
>if I named it in your terms
>IF
"Goku Black" isn't Black's actual name either.

>>146440356
I've never seen buufag until now

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>>146440341
>Actually you posted a fucking shit webm.
Better than anything in DBS.

>>146440035
I never said it wasn't inconsistencies because there are. Super is still being rushed to print, and that doesn't really change even with more time towards quality.
That said, there is a really noticeable difference between those two episodes and the rest of the program. After them, the eps. have been somewhat better over all, but there are still dips in quality and I get the feeling that after those two, the next three eps' being a breather is something done on purpose.

There is also something to be said about styling considerations.

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>>146440389
Ok fagboy

>>146440415
I don't understand how Cellfags are a thing, he is boring as shit.

>>146440481
Because he's less shittier than the rest

What's his name is a kai, he has access to goku's zombie body. It's him inside zombie goku.

>>146440481
I'm not a Cellfag, but Buu is pure dogshit.

>>146440528
>Shit argument
Not surprising from a Cellfag.

>>146439993
Think of it as a peek into a timeline without Zamasu becoming hitler, because that very peek was the trigger for his change of heart in the first place.

If the old guy would have peeked into the future again there after he would propably had seen a dead planet instead of lizard hobos.

I advise not to think too hard about these things though.

>>146440571
He's more entertaining than Cell and most of the other villains. Let me guess you're a DB is serious business-fag?

>>146440561

If Black turns out to be a reanimated Goku corpse that'll be pretty creepy and dark.

It would remind me of the Black Lanterns in Blackest Night.

>>146440240
>Greninja VS Sceptile League: https://my.mixtape.moe/zkjlux.webm
>DBS anime will never be this good.
feels bad man

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>Literally Goku but he's a villain guys
>People eat it up

Jesus christ, they didn't even recolor a previous villain or anything and people STILL EAT IT UP

WHAT WILL IT TAKE

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>>146436845
DB > Namek > Saiyans > What ever the fuck this arc is called > Androids > Buu >

>>146440240
>Greninja
>Hawlucha
>Not using superior Japanese names

>>146440932
>DB
That isn't an arc you fuck

>>146436974
This. Goku is fucking dumb, you can't expect him to recognize wether Black is Goten.

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>>146440572
Well you are a buufag

>>146440932
>Namek above anything.
In the manga maybe but in the anime it was the most drawn out slogfest of them all.

All these jokes about muscly men doing nothing but screaming and powering attacks for up to two episodes?
Namek.

>>146441008
>This. Goku is fucking dumb
No you're retarded and so is your stupid theory.

>>146440690
Let me guess, you're a "lolsorandumb XD"-fag? Because that's what Buu is.

>>146441077
I don't tea talk to anime only fags

>>146441077
>Watching the anime
Boy im glad i wasn't that stupid as a kid

>>146441008

Goku isn't TFS Goku.

He's well aquainted with what his son looks like. It's been years since Goku was dead and first met his son when he visited earth.

Goku and Goten aren't twins. There's no evidence to support that they look exactly alike. And when I mean exactly, I mean exactly/

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>>146441186
>mfw i realized super goku is closer to tfs goku than any other goku

>>146436901
Future Bulma invented that name though, he doesn't refer to himself that way

>>146441186
It has been theorized that every Saiyan's second son will at least looks like his biological father at some point.

>>146436845
who said it is Goten is dumb as fuck itself

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ITT: We re-write Vegeta's battle in Resurrection F because fuck Kakarot stealing his kill

That fight was the chance for Vegeta to finally avenge himself, his father and his people on Frieza and he fucking jobbed because of Toriyama giving Kakarot plot and hero armour

So, Kakarot's just flew off with Krillin after saying "Have fun!"
And scene

>>146437828
You know that's how punching fast looks like from third person perspective but you wont know this cause you were always at the receiving end

Can someone please cherry pick great fight animation in DBS? Honest question, there must be a webm out there that gives justice to Toei's animation team

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Why was he scared of rockets?

>>146441260
super goku is closer to his kid self/original self. Goku was always childish.

>>146441367

Well Goten looks a lot like his dad. No doubt about it. Much more than Gohan too. He just doesn't look indistinguishable from Goku.

>>146441131
>"lolsorandumb XD"-fag?
What the hell is that? Anyway since you didn't address my question I will take that as a yes. Then I guess it makes sense why you wouldn't like Buu.

Here are some of my favorite Buu moments
>inb4 dubfag
>inb4 animefag
I can't be assed to post all the manga pages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLdBk6voHE4

https://youtu.be/rzF6GEEva-s?t=2m
2:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pk27q3I9PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzWsFlzL-ms

>>146441415
that's pretty easy
Whis should have used his full 3 minutes of time rewind instead of the 1 minute he used. That way Goku could just quietly tell Vegeta what Frieza was planning to do.

>>146441491

Same reason he's scared of Chi Chi and Bulma.

His guard was down.

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>>146441260
Reminder that Toei's Goku is a flandarized version of the original and the DBS manga is superior to the anime.

was one of those rings created when future trunks first traveled back in time ?

>>146441605
Atleast 3 of them was due to cell and trunks

>>146441605
>>146441699
it's just one, even Banana said so, the other rings were there long before Trunks fucked shit up

>>146441186
>Goku isn't TFS Goku.
For some reason this is hard for a few anons to grasp.

>>146441536
>meruem and komugi

>>146441491
>not being scared of anti saiyan warhead
Gokus smart. He did it once and learnt a lesson.

Prediction time

Who the fuck is black?

Are he and zamasu fusioning once they get into problems with goku?

>>146441977
It's just a different version of Zamasu

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>>146441977
He should be someone who hates all ningen's as well
Who comes to your mind?

>>146436845
Black is a result of kamehaseutra

>>146441415
Frieza: *Scoff* Oh please.Don't you remember, the last time we fought, I left you with a gaping hole in your chest Vegeta.
Vegeta: Let me tell you what I remember Frieza. I remember you taking me from my father when I was just a little boy. I remember you threatening to kill him if I didn't do what you asked and then killing him anyway. And I remember you destroying my home, my race and everything I ever knew!
Frieza: *Hmph" He was a monkey all the same but he served his purpose, just like you did
Vegeta: You can back to Earth hoping for revenge. The only revenge you'll find is when I tear you limb from limb.
Frieza: Please, your threats are as empty as your title.

>>146440442
You're rewatching GT right?

>>146440240
Is this the Pokemon budget we've been waiting 20 years to see?

>>146441977
>them
>FUSING
I really doubt they will be needing to fuse.
But at least thanks to Goku going on the trip he's basically stopped himself from getting immediately destroyed.

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Buu is the only villain who pushed everyone to his limits, Killed all humans, Destroyed the earth, made Goku and Vegeta sweat bullets and his fuckboys. Plus all that Arc was fun and didn't take itself too seriously. Buu Arc is the first Saga i watched all the way from beginning to end without getting bored and to this day it is still my favourite DB Saga.

So what if Black is really the mastermind here

>>146442186
What's the point of being the mastermind if you do all the dirty work?

>>146442148
I really, really like the Buu saga, but Kid Buu kinda came off as extra filler to me, kinda similar to Vegitto vs Super Buu fight (I loved this fight but it was pretty unexpected and felt longer just so the saga would keep going).

>>146442247
Well you don't want to end up like Gero do you?

>>146440240
This looks like fucking crap

Ever since Gen 3 they started making every attack just "le glowing body parts". it looks terribly lazy

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>>146442057
I believe it.

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>>146442148
>>146442252
The fights were pretty great aswell desu

>>146442186
Zamasu is the mastermind, and I think he trained Black and because of his ideals kinda made Black want to kill all humans. Also Black's likely a god of destruction, so he's allowed to destroyed planets without worry from other beings.
In a way this is a reverse Buu saga mixed with cell saga.

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>>146442080
>Vegeta's face grimaces as the camera pans around him reminiscent of his first Super Saiyan transformation
>He grunts as he transforms making Frieza gasp in surprise

Frieza: Well, this is a surprise. It seems I underestimated your potential. Too bad you're still a weakling compared to me.

>Vegeta flies into the air and smirks as he ascends to Super Saiyan 2, lightning cracking in the air

Frieza: Impressive light show. What next, are you going to do next, pull a rabbit out of a hat?

>Vegeta grins toothily and screams in a gratuitous transformation sequence as he goes Super Saiyan Blue over ~3 minutes
>Frieza looks terrified as he realizes just what he's wrought

>>146442385
But do we actually have any proof of that? Thats the thing though, what if this was all just Black's idea

>>146442433
Well first we need to see where Black even came from.

>>146442433
not the guy you're talking to but we do. IIRC in a Xenoverse 2 trailer Zamasu is shown to be controlling Black

>>146441977
Zamasu created Black before becoming the god of destruction for that universe

>>146442676
It was a heroes trailer, and no it was just Zamasu watching them fight

>>146442724
huh. shit. thanks for the correction.

>>146442080
>Vegeta: Let me tell you what I remember Frieza. I remember you taking me from my father when I was just a little boy. I remember you threatening to kill him if I didn't do what you asked and then killing him anyway. And I remember you destroying my home, my race and everything I ever knew!
Terrible. Vegeta doesn't care about his father, it was King Vegeta who cared about him, fucking dubfags.

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>>146442399
Vegeta: Now comes the moment I dreamed about for so long
Frieza: Well I'm about to turn your dream into a nightmare!

>Vegeta pounds on Frieza, whooping him concisely and thoroughly with powerful blows until he's down on the ground at his feet but still in his golden form
>Vegeta pulls an Android 16 and rips off Frieza's arm
>Frienza scream horrendously in agony as he's disarmed
>Vegeta casually tosses it to the side with a sinister smile as he outstretches his arms and starts to power up
>Frieza looks utterly terrified and furious as he realizes he never stood a chance

Vegeta: So long Frieza
>With lightning in the sky and screams echoing around, Vegeta powers up to his absolutel maximum and obliterates Frieza with a Final Flash

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>become scard and butthurt of human's since Goku beaten which resulting scaring him for life
>this made Zamasu kill his master taking the time ring and goes to trunks time line getting goku's dead corpse and shit
>this makes some sort of time paradox on where if goku/beerus and whiles didn't went to universe 10 this wouldn't of happened

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>>146442868
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCD4PDz4JNQ

>>146442893
>Big Bang instead of FF
>longer torture
>Frieza's still alive after FF, but broken and Vegeta pulls a Cell and stomps his head to the ground

I mean come on, Vegeta who isn't an edgelord isn't fun to watch.

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>>146442993
>Posting that shit dub
Why?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukQ4vjHzb3E

>>146436845
I don't know about all that, but Vegeta is undefeated against Goku.

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>>146442993
>fucking dubfags
>presents the dub as a point

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Are these the sexiest main villains of the entire series?

>>146442977
The Goku fight just makes him turn quicker than he otherwise would have. His opinion of the humans was already established.

>>146443008
Not a bad idea
Bulma might be looking on with tears in her eyes and scream out "Stop it Vegeta, he's had enough!" before he solemnly replies. "If you'd lived the life I had, you'd know that nothing is ever enough for this monster" before breaking more bones

Head stomp is a nice touch

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>>146443116
And the most important part.

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>>146443095
Because it was the one I watched every day after school at 5:30pm on Cartoon Network so I'll always be biased for it

Brian Dummond is a superior Vegeta

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>over 200 posts
>barely any mention of me

NINGEEEEEEN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>146438630
>Vegeta has one fan
gokufags

This whole arc is the fucking embarrassing nail in the embarrassing coffin of DBS. Its tombstone will read "here lies DBS, literally worse than GT"

>>146443120
> filename
never fails to crack me up

>>146441565
Easy fix.

>>146443257
Shit taste

>>146443482
>Easy
>not Ez

>>146441591
>A good character exists who can literally solve every conflict in the plot
>But won't because 'reasons'

Bad writing.

>>146440240
What the fuck is going on in these battles? Are they doing shadow games now? And why the fuck do they look so intense now?

>>146443703
>good

>>146443257
Why are GT fans still so butthurt?

>>146443721
>

>>146443740
they are both shit

>>146443721
(You)

The bullshit I have a problem with is that they're reusing the Beerus situation when thanks to god ki he was untouchable by other characters. This time same thing happens - Vegeta beats him into the ground, the guy just stands up. There isn't much difference in power between them, as Vegeta blocked Black's punch with one hand and Black seemed genuenly surprised, and felt the following kick.

So how he was completely untouched by both Vegeta and Goku? This is either horrible writing or laziness.

>>146443814
>>146443746
But in all seriousness, Beerus isn't a good natured guy, he really doesn't have to give a fuck about whats going on here

>>146441977
Black is the god of destruction of the 10th universe. I think establishing that a kaioshin and a god of destruction's lifespan are connected will most likely be made important since it's an interesting fact on its own but there was probably a reason to bring that up.

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>>146443257
>literally worse than GT

Sorry anon, that's not possible.

>>146443120
I mean, c'mon. even their chins are edgy.

>>146443257
giru giru giru giru giru giru

>>146443703
He can't because if he did and King of Everything found out then he'd be in a lot of trouble.

>>146443819
Black likes to pretend to be hurt to catch the opponent off guard

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Easiest piece of evidence against Black = Future Goten:

Look at Adult Goten's hair in EoZ

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>>146443120

>>146443984
Actually yes, it is.
At least GT had better production values and the first half was pretty fun.

>>146444234
He cut his hair.

>>146444306
Shit taste.

>>146444306
>First half was fun
You joking mate?

>>146444306
Shit taste.

>>146444306
(You)

>>146444306
Kill yourself.

>>146438621
that a mean looking camel toe

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Son Gokuu yo, yorokobe!

>>146444405
>>146444409
>>146444427
>>146444464
>>146444477
Haha yeah guys the GT is bad meme is so fucking good.
Dragonball has always been low quality bullshit after the freeza saga, stop acting like you have high standards because you obviously don't if you're watching Super.

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> Goten wasn't born in the Future. Also absent from HoT.
> Black introduced himself as "Son Goku" to Future Trunks
> Zamasu is interested in Goku. Zero interest in Goten.
> Black has Goku's hair, not Adult Goten's hair
> Black mentioned something about absorbing Goku's fighting ability, not Goten

How do people still believe Black = Goten?

>>146444579
Stop getting so triggered over people calling you out on your shit taste.

>>146444579
>Dragonball has always been low quality bullshit after the freeza saga,
Shit taste.

it´s fucking ginyu

he never died in the future timeline

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>>146444579
> "GT is bad" = meme
> defends GT by saying everything after Freeza is bad

>>146444671
The characters don't speak English so most people don't understand what's going on. Even if they watch subs it's probably the google translate subs that are worse than watching RAW because they mislead you

>>146444579
GT was just decent, let's leave it at that.

Also it wasted a lot of it's characters.

Fucking ningens dude.

>>146436845
Proofs??

>>146437890
Seems like a small ambition if plenty of other universes and Zamasu's own native universe are infested with filthy ningen.

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will they hit the zeno button?
Or make trunks escape to the past for a training arc?

>>146444909
no amount of time chamber training could put trunks on their level

>>146445102
Not even if Zeno trains him and Mai

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I will praise Super for turning this literally who from the 80s into best girl.

I can clearly see how this arc will end with Pilav becoming Zenos buddy.

>>146438368
Frieza>Buu>Vegeta>Cell>Pilaf>Piccolo Daimo>Black

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>>146439131

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>>146445242
Pls no, I cannot stand the Pilaf gang.

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>>146443120
>dat filename
Not only sexy, best villains since Cell, no question. I'm enjoying this Arc so much. I just hope it's Trunks the one to defeat the big bads this time.

>>146441536
>Here are some of my favorite Buu moments
They're all shit. And you never asked a question in the first place, retard.

>>146438368
black is way too high. he isn't even the real villain. Zamasu is.

I can't argue with Cell since he is perfect

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>>146445102
Trunks's SS2 was about as strong as SS3 according to the DBS manga.

If Vegeta who skipped SS3 achieved SSB, so can Trunks.

Although he'd probably need Whis to train him, but Whis doesn't like Time-Travellers too much.

>>146443703
What you're forgetting is he literally doesn't give a shit. He gives JUST enough of a shit to not destroy earth and that's the most you could ask from him.

>>146445424
The animation is so good compared to Super's.

>>146440079
>>146440184
>>146440351
How can that universe have Hit and at the same time drop off so fast in quality of fighters. Who the hell is he killing that needs that he needs that level of power?

>>146445431
>according to the DBS manga.
Stopped reading right there.

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WHEN BRAAAAAAAAAA????

>>146445368
>They're all shit.
Meh shit taste also did you not see the question retard?

>>146445538
He's like freeza, he never needed to train

>>146445538
to be fair, he can't kill Botamo and maybe Magetta

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>>146443120
No.

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>>146445564
I love how Vegeta basically gave his blessing already. Hands down one of the best couples in DB.

>>146445570
>Meh shit taste
I know, that's why I said they're shit. Get better taste. And no, you didn't ask a question.

>>146444234
Goten's gonna grow up to be his grandma. Is that why he doesn't do shit?

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>>146445629

>>146445538
GT or Super?

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>>146445564
>>146445644
Soon

>>146445424
where is this from?

>>146445423
>black is way too high. he isn't even the real villain. Zamasu is.

He may already be stronger than Zamasu though, and he's doing all the work for him. He could always get tired of answering to Zamasu and betray him.

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>>146445657
Also get your eyes checked.

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>>146445431
>people seriously thinks that the manga is the canon one

how long is this meme lasting?

>>146445702
The RoF Trunks special. It's only out with spic subs and raw.

>>146445591
The thing about freeza though is that he had his dad around the same level canonically. That's at least one other being at that power range. So even if freeza was the top of the chart there were others right there with him.

Hit seems to have no one else from what we can see.

>>146445600
I assume his killing moves lets him deal with opponents like those. I dont think he time skips and neck chops everyone since that appeared to be his nonlethal option.

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Anime

>I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.

>Even I haven’t checked the final script yet.
>Let’s enjoy this together (laughs)!!

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-history-book-akira-toriyama-introduction/

>I had put Dragon Ball behind me, but seeing how much that live-action film ticked me off, and how I revised that script for the anime movie and complained about the quality of the TV anime, I suppose somewhere along the line it’s become a series I like too much to ever leave alone.

Manga

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/dragon-ball-super-manga-vol-1-tori-toyo-interview-web-version/

>Speaking of the manga, I want to ask you two about how you put the manga together. I hear Toriyama-sensei checks the storyboards for each chapter.
>Toriyama: That’s right.

>Back when Toriyama-sensei was drawing the manga, the animators would use his manga panels as reference, imitating the composition and things like that. And now it seems that the animators are likewise using Toyotaro-sensei‘s manga as reference.
>Toriyama: Oh, that’s good! That should keep them on track!

>>146443703
Do see anything but red and green and powerlevels when watching/reading anime/manga?
He says it right there, he doesn't give a shit about some parallel timeline.
He's interested enough in Gokus and Vegetas growth to train them and he likes the food on earth enough to not blow it up, that's all and even to the former, which he mostly rubbed off to Viz anyway, had to be iniciated by giving him food.

>>146445707
so buu babidi all over again?

>>146445773
I'm pretty sure Botamo can't be harmed at all by physical and ki attacks, he's a pretty weird guy.

>>146445782
>I write an outline of the entire plot, then the script writers break it up into episodes, expanding on things, changing things around, or adding in new bits as need be.

There it is

The manga is the canon one

>>146445773
>Hit seems to have no one else from what we can see.
He obviously killed all the strong people but seriously people sleep on the U6 fighters too much.

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>>146445678

>>146445782
>>146445865
Did you guys actually check the shit you're posting? Toyotaro is allowed to expand the plot and change shit as well, Toriyama doesn't give a fuck

>>146445782
>Toriyama: Oh, that’s good! That should keep them on track!

If only.

>>146445929
>Speaking of the manga, I want to ask you two about how you put the manga together. I hear Toriyama-sensei checks the storyboards for each chapter.
>Toriyama: That’s right.

>>146445782
Why do you post this in every thread? You've made your point already. Are you really this autistic that this means so much to you?

>>146445424
WHAT THE FUCK IS THE SAUCE PLEASE

>>146446014
>>146445702
>filename

>>146445983
Repeating the shit you post isn't going to help your assertion.

>>146445983
Still choosing only what benefits you huh? Toriyama doesn't give a fuck, he thinks it better if Toyotaro modifies it as well.

Point is, it literally doesn't matter its the same shit.

>>146446046
>Toriyama doesn't give a fuck,
Source?

>>146446014
Read the filename faggot

>>146446086
Literally the same shit the quotes are from.

>>146446112
>I suppose somewhere along the line it’s become a series I like too much to ever leave alone.
?

>>146445880
I guess if we remove goku/vegeta and we remove hit ~ the universe power levels are pretty even if not leaning toward U6

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>>146441977
>Are he and zamasu fusioning once they get into problems with goku?
Black kicked Trunk's, Vegeta's and Goku's asses easily, he doesn't seem to need any fusion.
Unless Goku and Vegeta do so, too.

>>146446147


Toyotarō:
Since Chapter 1 I’ve used Toriyama-sensei‘s plot as a basis, but have been allowed to expand on it.

Toriyama:
It’s better that way.

Who is "BRA"?

I never knew /a/ was this dumb. Black already confirmed he is in goku's body.

>>146445835
Either that or Gero and the androids. I don't see Black being an entirely faithful servant.

>>146446184
If zamasu is the supreme kai and black is the god of destruction. I think they would fuse just to eliminate the possibility of zamasu being targetted for killing.


Supreme kais are pretty weak on the cosmic scale across all universes in terms of maximum power. Not sure why whis aren't assigned to the kais for protection rather than serving the gods of destruction

>>146446156

Buu would rape every one of them.

>>146437828

>trained to avenge his dead wife
>got jobbed

Veggie boy just has to suffer, doesn't he?

>>146446186
Where does that say Toriyama doesn't "give a fuck"?
Also still goes through Toriyama before it's published.

>>146446276
GET OUT BLEACHFAG!

>>146446372
bleach is just dragonball z with swords

>>146446156
Only because Goten and Trunks aren't allowed to fuse and the other Z-Fighters are weak.

Piccolo and Buu could defeat most of U6 fighters.

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>>146443120
Why is U7's Supreme Kai such a bitch compared to Zamasu? And to think he actually seemed intimating at first.

>>146440413
Yeah I don't know why people don't get it. What are they supposed to do if he doesn' tell his name? Just call him Steve?

>>146446428
Don't respond to tripfags

>>146446184

The earrings will be used against them.
Involuntary fusion, or Black is controlled though the earring, or snatching the earrings will break some kind of link that is giving them power or making them invulnerable or something.