Dragon ball super: Blacked out

You're giving Super too much credit

But I do like the idea except for

>This would mean that Goten was also born on the alternate timeline where Goku died of the heart disease

I always assumed goten was conceived in the few day before the cell tournament

>>146416925
Goku spent time with his family because he KNEW he was going to die.

Why wouldn't Goku realize he is dying of the heart virus and as such spend more time with his family? and thus lead to him having sex with Chi-Chi earlier?

>>146417759
I guess it's possible. My idea just seems to give him more of a time frame to do it.

>think you're going to die
>fuck wife and conceive another child to live on

Seems to make sense to me. And goku kind of forgot about the heart virus, which is why he forgot to take the meds beforehand and went into a coma.

>>146415551
Im pretty sure they just said he was someone or something using Son Goku body.

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>>146416925
Most people only think Goku conceived in the few days before the tournament because there was a hentai manga that showed specifically that.

In reality the whole android saga was over in like 2 weeks.
Theres no reason why Chichi wouldnt be pregnant before the androids appeared.

Pic related, its what made you think that.

>>146418264
i don't think so

>>146417759
>Goku
>wanting to/actually spending time with his family
Did we watch the same show?

>>146415551
>( which isnt really that odd considering the whole android+cell saga was like 2 weeks

Yeah, but Goku died of space cholesterol 6 months earlier in the alternate timeline.

>>146418342
>watch

I want Black to end up being Alt Goten
Him and kid trucks need to be relevant again, especially goten
the kids looks exactly like goku and nothing was done with this, so much wasted potential

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>>146415551
Its funny because fans will get their panties in a twist that their assumed canon is disproven by new facts.
Like how they all got annoyed that Mai was the same age as future trunks when she "couldnt have made the wish" and then they showed when she made the wish and it made sense, it was just the fans talking out of their ass and assuming things that were never shown.

theres no way to know if Goten existed in that timeline or died as a baby via repeated android attacks until we get more backstory, as far as it goes right now, him being Black could happen and would make some sense considering he is in the fucking intro card but hasnt shown so far.

>>146418264
Didnt he say something like Son Goku should be thankful because thanks to him (that entity controlling Goku body) Goku reached full perfection?

>>146415551
Goten

"one that goes into heaven"

Goten becomes a God, its like pottery.

>>146418695
No, Goku should be proud because thanks to him ( Goku) , Black had reached perfection.

>>146418529
>got annoyed that Mai was the same age as future trunks when she "couldnt have made the wish" and then they showed when she made the wish and it made sense
> they showed when she made the wish and it made sense

I don't remember this, did I miss an episode or something?

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>>146418911
I dont have the eng version, but basically this is during the android fight, Gohan and Bulma are tracking the dragonballs to try to ressurect Goku before piccolo gets killed.
they arrive to Pilaf and co wishing to be young and the balls turning to stone as Picollo is killed.

>>146415551
The only problem with it being Goten is that Black said he was honored to fight Goku "in his body", so it would only work if Goten was given a new body by Zamasu, maybe?

Also, why would Zamasu want to work with a ningen?

>>146418704
Are you making this shit up or do you really think combined the english word go with the japanese word ten(heaven/sky) to get goten?

>>146419084
is that the DB Super manga?

>>146419174
I have seen a few anime where some character say that they are grateful to their parents for giving them their body so Itcould be something like that.

Only retards believe in Goten = Black thing. If anything, Black is probably Future Zamasu 'fused' with Future Goku, and the Zamasu we saw was a "present timeline" Zamasu that went to Trunks' future, creating a loophole (Goku met Black and then went to U10 meet Zamasu, who went full autist and used the alternate timeline ring to go to the future and screw everything alongside with Future Zamasu).

>>146419176
Goten's name literally means "Awakening to Heaven" or "perceiving heaven", as "Ten" can translate as sky or heavens. His name is very similar to Goku's, as he was likely named after him. Due to this, Goten's name can be read in the same manner of Mandarin/pinyin like with his brother and father's names. In Goten's case, the reading is "Sun Wutian" (孫悟天, Sūn Wùtiān)

>>146419189
It was a mini bonus chapter, 2 pages.

>>146415551
You're overthinking things. They could just have cloned Goku with some of his DNA with SCIENCE! Except without the brain injury, he reverted back to his original bloodthirsty saiyan self.

>>146419601
Zamasu is a magical being why would he clone Goku if he had the time rings and could just pluck a Goten out of the timeline? A young pliable sayan he can train?

>>146419330
nigga I don't know what you just said

>>146419330
you are talking as if somehow what you are talking about is simpler than Goten being Black.
Youve now convinced me that Goten IS Black, just by how outlandish and stupid your idea sounded.

>>146419655
Because, irony. Who better to kill Goku with, than with himself. Or, who better to destroy Earth than the one that's constantly saving it?

Goten is half sayian but Black hates Sayians, why would Goten want to kill all Sayians?

>>146419864
>Goku, Beerus and Whis go to Zamasu's place
>Goku fuck Zamasu up
>Zamasu becomes racist
>Zamasu becomes a Supreme Kai
>uses the time rings to go to Trunks' timeline
>finds his Trunks timeline counterpart
>selfcest
>they decide to look for FT's Goku
>snatch his body, one of the Zamasus fuses with Goku's dead body (is this even possible?)
>they pratice selfcest again
>something something Zamasu is imortal now
Now I need someone to draw Zamasu french kissing Black.

Goten means White in Japanese

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>>146420123
Why did Zamasu go from Universe 10 to Universe 7?

who fucking cares
this shit is idiotic and toriyama is just pulling garbage straight out of his ass to feed children

Originally, I thought Black was Goten too, but in the manga, it clearly shows Black using Instant Transmission while fighting Trunks, which only Goku learned how to do.

Also, future Goku was never revived after he died from his heart virus, yet future Zamasu still recognizes Goku, and even mentions to Black that he promised he would let Zamasu finish off Goku.

In that case, it might be possible that Future Zamasu still met Goku, albeit while he was dead, and after having been insulted by Goku's filthy ningen powers, decided to bring back Goku's dead body and infuse it with his own energy (via potara), giving birth to the new God of Destruction of Universe 7.

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>>146415551
First you are a fucking retard.

Second.

Does Beerus realizes he almost died when Buu was fucking shit up in the Kaio world? You would assume Whiz would wake the fucking purple rat or directly interfere and blow up Buu

Can you imagine Beerus dying to some low level pink kid?

If I were Beerus I would have the Kaio always in a safe place with at least 2 or 3 powerful guardians. Specially knowing the Universe 6 Kaio is a weakling compared to Zamazu and others.

Goten doesn't know how to use the instant transmission, though.

>>146420371
Future Zamasu x Present Zamasu please

>>146420419

Whis doesn't seem like he would care if Beerus lived or died. Whis is just his servant. Once Beerus dies, Whis would just serve whoever the next God of Destruction is, I assume.

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>>146420625

>tfw Gowasu keeps screaming ZAMASU in your ear but the Ningen just died right and a little bit of cum leaked out

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Black is more likely to be a female Goku from another timeline than he is to be Goten.

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>>146420749

Get a hold of yourself

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The person controlling gokus body would have to have a similar power to ginyu

Are we forgetting Gotenk?

>>146420100
>Raised by Zamasu
>Not told of his heritage

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>>146420749

>he keeps spilling it on the tea

[muffled Zamasu! in the distance]

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>>146420749

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>>146420821

If this is the twist i'll travel to Japan and suck Toriyama's ancient fat wart ridden japanese cock.

I think zumasu and black have a ability to copy/absorb the strength and abilities of those they fight.

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>>146420821

>this is why rose is fabulous

Oh god

He might be Goten from the future, but how the fuck did the got to the Trunks timeline?

I'm skimming through the episodes and holy shit they are dragging this out for so long

Super is really awful, worse than GT by a large margin.

XXX_DARKGOKU_XXX is either an evil clone or just possessed by some evil spirit/alien/whatever.

To assume anything else is absolute delusion.

>>146421324
You keep posting this, but nobody believes you.

>>146418264

During their fight I realized that their skin color is not the same (Black's skin is darker)

So he is probably someone else that looks like Goku, maybe the universe 10 version of Goku?

>>146421424
It's Turles.

I can't imagine Goten being useful to the show, much less a villain.

I also suspect Black isn't a genuine Saiyan. I have this feeling that he is some artificial creation that's similar to a Saiyan. He seems to dislike Saiyans for some reason, so he's got to be a pseudo-Saiyan, or at the very least a self-hating Saiyan.

>>146420371
10/10.

>>146420338
See what Future Goku is doing.

>>146421411
I think me might be a possesed or cloned Goten since he appears in the opening along Trunks and the Pilaf gang. What other purpose would they have to make him appear in the opening? he hasn't appeared yet, right?

>>146421572
Android clone made by Gero :^)

>>146419084
Is Bulma actually aware of the Pilaf gang currently living in her house?

Even though they've turned into kids, there's no way you can forget your enemies: a blue imp, a Chinese communist, and a purple ninja dog.

She seems unfazed by these people living & even working with her, even though they gave her such a hard time decades before.

>>146421787
She doesn't seem to know it's them, probably because they're kids and all.

>>146419330
>"Only retards believe in Goten = Black thing."
>Proceeds to run down a theory so convoluted and senseless that Goten being Black sounds like just the better way to go.

>>146415551
The only problem with the theory is that Zamasu strongly dislikes ningen, and Goten is a ningen. Regardless of who it is, I think Black will probably go out of control and betray Zamasu, since he's falling back in the opening surrounded by rose petals.

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>>146420605
If Whis doesn't care about Beerus, why does he blush when he sees his dick in the hot bathhouse? Checkmate.

>>146418355
underrated post

The whole thing about beauty made me think Black is Zarbon. Nah.
Although the show dropped quite a lot of hints to Black being a character we already know, I think it will just be a completely new character that appears in an already-established setting, like one of Freeza's soldiers who never appeared in the original, or someone Goku met while in the other world.
Or they could throw a complete curveball and make him a movie character.

Regardless of what you believe, I'm sure we can all agree that Goku Black is a copout design.

>the villain is actually a clone/lookalike of the protagonist
Because that has never been done before in the history of Japanese animation. Nope. Not once.

I can't wait for an actual original villain this time. Maybe we actually will, because I've noticed a pattern in DB Super:
>an original cat-god who destroys for a living, but is otherwise not a very bad guy
>Frieza's back!
>no villains, just a tournament
>Goku's black!
>???

>>146415551
>Will he drop him off with Zeno sama?
I seriously thought Goku was going to recommend Monaka or Zamasu.

Monaka because Goku seems to legitimately believe he is the strongest in the universe, therefore would make a great pal.

Zamasu because he has anger issues and probably legitimately needs some friends in his life.

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>>146423475

You forgot the other half of the equation

>>146423603
My bad, I've only been watching DragonTeam's releases, so I'm typically 1-2 episodes behind.

>>146419330
You're autistic.

>>146423603
Not him but I'm guessing Zamasu will be secondary with Black as the main threat. Black could drop Zamasu hard, or maybe Zamasu will realize Black is too evil even for him or something.

>>146421787
Bulma only met the Pilaf face to face gang once and they were pathetic enough that she thought they were laughable. Goku couldn't recognize them when he met them again 3 years later.

This Goku Black / SSG shit is literally the first arc of the DragonBall AF manga the artist of the Super manga made before drawing Super. That was considered horrible fanfic, this is considered fantastic

lol toriyama fags (who is probably barely working on it in reality anyway just has his name attached)

goten would be pretty based, pottery wise

goten vs trunks in the main timeline while they are best friends in the DB timeline

>>146421146
timerings and shit

>>146423603

If these two fused, would the result have white hair and green skin?

>>146424578
white hair from zamasu - that orange skin from black

dbs reminds me of something (ignoring the movie arcs)
>tournament with no suspense
a tournament to show what the characters can/to regroup them
>tournament in db
everyone met to fight and show their strength

>black threatens to annihalate the whole world
>king piccolo threatens to eradicate everyone
goku had to stop him; decided the fate of the world

thats where dbz started and serious shit happened and opened a world mostly unknown to everyone (saiyans, space, frieza, androids)

i hope the next arc will be intense in terms of tension and expands into the super universe (realms, kaioshin-relationships, new unknown strong beings)

We can all agree that Chozetsu Dynamic is better than Cha-La Head Cha-La right?

>>146425161
i agree

but: which ending is the best
my favourite
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtmFcc0unGM

>>146425246
Good taste.

What if goku presses the button and zen chan comes out and instead enlists black and zamasu to fight in the universe tournament? How mad would you guys be? I'd be pretty mad.

>>146425246
I like this one.
https://youtu.be/nJN9up_LLF8

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Since Black can go SSj Rose, will he decide he doesn't even need Zamasu and just end him?

>>146425407
I would expect a Future King of all to be really confused, annoyed that there's time travel going on, and just kill everyone.

>>146425407
doubt it. They can't make Future Trunks be part of U6's team

>Black literally says that he's showing Goku the full extent of Goku's own power via himself in the last episode
>There are people still trying to push the IT'S GOTEN theory

Why?

SO:

Future Trunks Universe lost the Kaioshin and God of Destruction.

Zeno-Sama gives ZAMASU! the job to become the new Kaioshin. It is also Zamasu's job to recruit a new God of Desruction. He chooses some powerful demon and offered him the job of Destruction in exchange he need to act like Goku.

So who's ready for canon SSG Gogeta? This is all eluding to fusion. It has to be.

>>146425246
my favorites always been
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5u5n5qsLSE

>>146425771
I guess the whole "if you work together you can beat anyone" thing is going to come full circle.

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>>146415551
Isnt there also a extremely high chance that the "friend" Goku will choose to bring next time he goes to omni king to be goten?

>>146425971
probably, but I really wish it would be Arale, even though that's probably not going to happen.

Who knows, it could even be fucking Uub.

>>146425971
It'll either be Vegeta as a gag, or a character we haven't met yet.

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>>146425971
>leave your kid with Omni King
>"alright goten, you have fun now, I will come back later to get you, you will be staying over this week, but dont worry, they will take good care of you, now go enjoy yourself."
>come back after a few days
>you see him and Zeno sparing while he has SSB3 hair
>literally galaxy's are being destroyed around them while they innocently play

>is the same age as Trunks

???

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>>146425971
It'll be Arale.

>>146425941
I think it is seeing how fast black is powering up every fight. I can see that happening or SSG3 with kaiokenx10.

>>146415551
Doesn't Black say while fighting Goku
>I'm getting more used to the techniques of this body

Or something along those lines?

Goku is dead and his body was repossessed/repurposed by something else

Seems pretty clear to me

>>146425659
It's a better story. And we want to see the sons fight instead of carrot and vegetable

Super saiyjin roszay...


wtf.

is ssj rose the next step of the ridiculous transformation treadmill toriyama has going, or is it something different?

while watching the episode black talked a lot about how goku has reached his full potential thanks to black, which i thought alluded to black implying he had managed to perfectly combine kaioken and ssj blue. what we saw in the tournament was goku's imperfect combination of both techniques

or more likely it's just another stage of the transformations, which is just dumb since this will be 4 transformations in less than 60 episodes.

There were multiple Cells from differing timelines, so why couldn't there be more than one Zamasu? One of them just happens to be in control of Goku's body.

Why are all of the DBZ YouTube channels full of fags?

>>146426768
its limited to black i hope
his version of god energy

frieza had three transformations in a couple of episodes
cell had 2
and ascended and ultimate ascended ssj with trunks and vegeta vs half-cell
and buu oh man

>>146426852
>Youtube
There's your answer.

>>146426612
So was the idea to have someone go back and grab Gohan for the tournament. But that simply never happened. Instead we got Goku getting two turns.

Headcanon ideas are capable of being more interesting than the real story, but that's the thing. Dragonball is always going to be simpler than you'd like it to be.

>>146425529
The pink hair is complete shit without the aura, literally Majin buu gag design color rather than an actual rose

>>146426431
the thing to remember is, all apperances imply that the timelines only apply to individual universes.
So the zamasu that we see now will go on in the future to create black and travel to Trunks' timeline.
Which suggests that Black himself could be someone from the current timeline, rather than Trunks'
They chose Trunks' timeline most likely because Black could work on getting stronger without Goku showing up, since he's dead.
What's all this mean?
Black is most likely someone we've already met, and is in Dragon Ball Super.

>Goku and friends surprised the villain wasn't in his final form

How many times will it take for them to learn?

>>146426813
zamasu is from a different universe
no multiple timelines.

It'd be a waste to have Goten on the end of the OP and his ultimate role is just being held back by Chichi to be forced to become a scholar and that's all he does.

>>146426945
He's gokus dad!

>tfw Black will just die from the heart disease

I can't believe Vegeta lost like this.
He shouldn't be that weak compared to Goku.

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>>146427040
Wouldn't be the first complete waste of a character. Gohan's entire character now belongs to a nondescript job.

>>146421504
Doesn't turles have the skin complexion of a corpse?

>>146427245
remember how goku almost got killed by a fucking laser?

>>146427245
Goku is a fighting prodigy. Vegeta is just raw power. Guess which is better.

>>146426768

He is pink because if you invert the colors of SSB it's pink.

So he's basically a SSB, but it's pink for him.

>>146427245

Goku also got rekt though, Black was about to blow him up when Zamasu showed up.

Could they do a gogeta?

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>>146427459
wow

>>146425971
Monaka.

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>>146427245
>implying

Vegeta did better than Goku.

Goku literally did no dmg or anything while Vegetable atleast got some blows on him before being Blacked.

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>>146427511
>>146427459

Fucking pottery

>>146427583
You're gonna get blacked by me if you don't stop defending Vegeta!

>>146427245

To be fair Goku went down pretty quick too, if the episode ended when Goku transformed and stepped up to fight Black that would of been something to get mad about.

>>146427583
Yeah that's actually true. But the way Black was talking like Vegeta was just a small fry and Goku was the main event...

>>146420269
>>146418278

This is canon for me and will never not be.

>>146427638

Nah, he talked to Goku in the same way, calling him a filthy ningen shit. He only called Vegeta warm up to fuck with him.

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Did you guys forget the episode where Whis implied that Vegeta might be slightly stronger than Goku at the moment???

>>146427684

Well he is, Goku couldn't even land a blow on Black.

Vegeta still had to job because that's his job though. Can't be helped.

>>146427709
But Goku jobbed too.

>>146415551
Most likely it's
zamasu brainwashed some version of goku in different timeline to do his bidding

>>146427684

funny how Vegito would wipe the floor with black

>Be Mai
>Get grabbed by Black
>somehow survive
>boyfriend leaves for the past
>go into a tunnel
>fire rockets at Black
>all of your friends die
>somehow survive

Is this bitch impervious to being Blacked or what?

>>146427731
Vegito would wipe the floor with anything.

Potara and Dance fusion were a mistake.

>>146427721

That's not what jobbing means, Vegeta jobbed, Goku lost. This is why Goku gets to fight again in the next chapter while Vegeta bleeds out in the ground.

>>146427684

the idea that vegito would even have to go ssblue to win is fucking laughable

non ss vegito was able to dick around with mystic super buuhan and now its even later in the game where both goku and vegeta's base stats are lightyears higher than they were back then

ss2 vegito should be PLENTY

>>146420367
King kais and supreme kais know instant transmission you moron.

>>146427638
To be fair... It IS Goku.

>>146427761
will goku and vegeta ever fuse again?

super has a distinct lack of teamwork so far

>>146427776
Yeah I know. It's just the little kid in me that's still a fan of Vegeta.

>>146427792
>will goku and vegeta ever fuse again?
I don't think so because it would be too easy, and also, they seem to like the idea even less than they did before.

>>146427792

I bet my ass on it a few threads ago, so yeah, it'll happen. I'm not the Gohanfag though.

>>146427736
She still has her comic relief immunity to death.

>>146415551
hmmm what makes you think that Zamasu didnt use the Original Goten? With the time rings he could had taken the goten from the timeline where it exists and sent him to the future timeline where there is no Bills to meddle with them.

>>146427736

Don't underestimate the power of being comic relief, I'll laugh if pilaf and the dog are somehow still alive and they all simply got separated.

>>146427040
Goten being Black would have to mean that he's inhabiting another body (Black said he was honored to fight Goku "with this body"), and that Zamasu is able to work alongside ningen despite hating them immensely.

>>146419084

Goku already died twice. There was no coming back.

They would've probably wished for the androids to be sent into a blackhole or some shit.

>>146421088
If that was true then no one could beat them

>>146421146
le so funny its goten maymay xD

Goten is less relevant than gohan

>>146428025

the 2 times revival limit was with the old dragonballs created by kami

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Soon.

>>146425529
>someone didnt read episode titles
Zamasu is immortal

>>146427736
I choose to believe that the rocket she fired took down the roof of their tunnel blocking them off enough to let them get away.

>>146425686
This actually makes most sense so I doubt we will get it.

I would like to believe that zamasu took Goku dead body and that black is just some kind of weird crazy zombie shit

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>>146427993
>I'll laugh if pilaf and the dog are somehow still alive and they all simply got separated
They live at the Penguin Village with Arale now.

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>>146420269
>>146418278
>you are picturing a 79 year old woman trying to voice the male orgasm

I dont even like GT but I thought the one GOOD idea it ever had was making it so overusing the dragonballs had consequences.

But even then͵ they FUCKED that up because these are DIFFERENT dragonballs and most of the shadow dragons were incompetent.

So what spinoff do you want to see?
Ninja dog origins would actually be pretty cool.
Or maybe just a Lupin style anime with young Pilaf gang, when they met, some missions, etc.

will they ever show dead goku following the fight through king kai or they hate fun?

>>146425686
why would he give zamasu the job when he is in universe 10 not 7?

>>146428199
Future Dead Goku was killed again, he doesn't exist anymore.

>>146428227

what? how? when?

they showed him in the DB SUPEr manga

>>146428212
It is like a office job. Your boss says, one department lost their Kaioshin and God of Destruction. We need a fast replacement for them. That intern Zamasu can probably do the job.

>>146427245
My biggest complaint with super is how all these villians are beating strong characters with one hit. Frieza one punches gohan. Beerus taps ss3 goku and wins etc. At least them being already very strong let them get in a few hits.

>>146428227
Source: your ass

>Mfw Trunks hypnotize this evil Goten to do Fusion dance so he can share the good memories with evil Goten
>Bipolar Gotenks is born

Sorry for asking this but what's the name of the BGM that plays when black stabs Vegeta?

>>146428270
>>146428212
But there are still Kai in universe 7 that can be promoted if thats the case.

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>>146428132
Could be just because of a lifeforce connection or link with Black. It isn't known how he became immortal or just how unkillable he really is yet.

>>146427709
Goku didn't get beaten as fast and in next episode he is still fighting Black. So no and whis didn't know about goku's kaioken on top of blue form.

>>146428175
>as soon as he cum's, he does one of those annoyings "hehes"

>>146428302
>kill all the kais
>Seems like this universe doesn't have any kai anymore. Need help?

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>>146421088
It seemed more like that Goku Black, akin to Ginyu, can take over a Body but then not know how to use it properly.

By fighting Goku he learned how to fight with that body, and Goku knows how to fight with his body in the most natural way and then some because Turtle Style doesn't teach any specific kicks or punches, but to just move by instinct.

then by fighting Vegeta he seems to have figured out how to Blue/Rose.

I'm not 100% because I've seen two different subs.

When I watched the shitty google translate subs I was under the impression that Black wasn't traditionally strong but powered up slowly to match whatever opponent he was fighting. It would somewhat explain Mai surviving shenanigans.

When I just watched the Kiss Anime subs it just seems like letting Vegeta punch the shit out of him in Blue let him "become stronger", and then he went Rose. Either because he already could or he just figured it out.

>>146428315
>>146427750
I watched every DB saga so for a fact i know how it always ends.

But Vegeta isn't done yet.

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Why wasn't this page in the anime?

>>146428291

it has no official name because it has not been released yet

you can find it on youtube by the fan given title "desperate assault"

>>146428325
Killing every single kai in a different timeline and universe just so you can take their job is actually a lot harder than it seems anon

>>146427792
Goku and Vegeta both told Whis they would rather do it themselves ie sayian pride. I think bringing the button up isn't for nothing. It's more likely goku presses the button than fuse with Vegeta.

>>146428350
Thanks man, I owe you one

>>146428025
Can't namek dragon wish you back no matter how many times? Remember chaitzou and krillin? Also super dragonballs are even stronger.

>>146428343
GOKU NUMBA #1!
-toei

>>146428352
You have to make an effort is you want
the job of your dreams

>>146428342
I'd prefer to actually see someone outside of vegeta surpass both goku and vegeta but looks less likelier as time goes on. I'd even take Future Trunks at this point.

>>146428363
they mentioned the potora fusion again though, when zamasu was given the kaioshin earring to use the time ring

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>Find out Toyotaro is the one who created DBAF
>mfw Goku black is the genetically cloned son of Goku who is also half-kai

Will adult, bare-chested, non-gloved Gotenks make an appearance? I hate the design we got.

>>146428343
Interesting Future Trunks ss2 form is stronger than vegeta and goku's ss2 form?

>>146415551
Black is future Zamasu and current Zamasu travelled to the future after meeting Goku and learning about the time rings, which in turn is a consequence of Trunks travelling to the past. And as for the power jump, it is because of time rings.

>>146428409
Hit,Whis,Beerus,Vados,Champa,Zeno and other fucks are all stronger than them.

This is the first time in forever where there is a bunch of characters stronger that aren't irrelevant

>>146428427
What was the plot of AF?

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>>146428456
Goku clone named Xicor or some shit comes to Earth with a supreme kai to fuck shit up

>>146428425
they dont have earrings and technically vegeta doesn't know how to do the fusion dance. Only time they ever did fusion dance was in janemba movie.

>>146428450
I meant in the original cast or a non god life form.

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>>146428427
>tfw you spend your early internet days finding out shitty AF material and Yt videos of """episodes""" dreaming it was real someday
>Years later its becoming real
>mfw

>>146421088

It really does seem like that. It seems like he's the Doomsday of Dragonball Z. Whoever he fights, causes him to get stronger out of the sheer experience of fighting that person.

This explains why he had a hard time fighting SSJ2 Goku earlier, but was later good enough to just keep up a little bit with SSB Vegeta.

>>146428514
Why would you want AF to be canon? Fucking WHY!?

>>146428481
So I'm guessing the editors basically told Toriyama to do a Super version of Xicor's AF storyline?

>>146415551
Why should I believe you /a/? Last week, every theory you showed me turned out to be wrong. Fuck you.

>>146428556

because speculating between episodes is half the fun

>>146428480
Why didn't Vegeta just help Future Trunks reach god form or talk whis into taking him to that place that helped him stop his kai from leaking

>>146415551
They brought up the powers stealing guy from the Vegeta filler arc, I'm sure that's going to have something to do with it.

>>146428577
>vegeta being worse than his own Son without even training him

He wouldn't allow it

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why didnt vegetas god ki coat his wound? why the inconsistency?

>>146428665
In the anime isn't Blue vastly inferior to Red?

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>>146428538
Oh shit, I just realized Toyotaro probably suggested the storyline to Toriyama.

>>146428665
Black is using god ki too.

>>146428689
Red is the pure form and only kakarot can do it because it can only be done by the ritual.

I always thought it would make more sense if Vegeta obtained it due to his constant contact with kakarot, like some of that godly ki spread unto him.

So isn't Black just straight out stronger than Beerus now?

>>146426223
But she's married with children. And the mayor of Penguin villaige. She's got work to do. That poop isn't gonna poke itself.

>>146428763

why are you calling him kakarot

>>146427757
SSB Vegito would probably collapse the universe.

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>>146428849

>>146427040
>forced to be a scholar.
To play devil's advocate, Chi-chi never said Goten wants Goten to be a scholar. She just got mad because he got an "F" on his last test.

I'm just holding out hope the narrative remembers that chi-chi was totally cool with fighting in the buu saga and is the one who initially trained goten.

>>146428343
Because it's good.

>>146428665
>>146428689
Apparently this was some sort of Toei thing and wasn't in the manga or original BoG movies.

I've been wracking my brain over this since it happened because Blue just seems like a generic SSJ power up with a new theme, while Red had a lot of different characteristics to it.

>go to future for big fight
>a future where everything is fucked and there's no supplies for medical shit
>don't bring senzu's

YA BLEW IT

>>146428867
>Goku and Vegeta fuse
>go SSB
>Beerus still says he's stronger

I'm going to laugh if those whole arc ends with King of All just popping up and resolving it all.

>>146428977
Vegeta should have died.

>>146428945
yeah it was anime only: not in BOG or the manga so it's pretty safe to say it was a Toei addition and a lamentably short sighted one unless they plan on bringing it into play again here.

>>146428977

To be fair, they thought Black was a push over.

>>146429054
So the characters still have NOT LEARNED to not undererstimate opponents?
You'd think Freezy pop blowing the planet up would have changed shit.

>>146428689
Whis explicitly says Blue is a power beyond even Red.

the db super manga is not canon though

only the anime is canon

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>>146429080

That is... CORRECT

So does Dragon Ball Super have a script or are they just making shit up on the fly? Because it sure looks like they're making shit up judging by the amount of forgotten characters/abilities/events

>>146429139

Toriyama said the anime loosely follows his script or guidelines or something, the manga follows it more closely.

Or something like that. Of course it's entirely possible that Toriyama is making it up as it goes.

so it's not Turles?

>>146429138
I mean Frost was a bit different of a scenario.

>>146429118
Here it is, the shitstorm of animefags vs mangafags canon wars BEGINS!

>>146425971
Or Buu or Chiaotzu or Puar or knowing how stupid Goku is potentially Vegeta, but Goten is a possibility.

>>146429170
>Toriyama said the anime loosely follows his script or guidelines or something, the manga follows it more closely.
No, he feeds them the same bullshit and both can change shit up if they want to

Wtf happened to Oob?

My theory on this (bare with me, it's a little out there...) is that the Zamasu that Goku and Trunks are squaring off against is the Zamasu of the Future Universe 10 who is obviously different from the Zamasu of the current universe 10 who Goku sparred with. Future Zamasu, like current Zamasu, was pissed off at mortality. After the fight with Dabura and Babidi, Universe 7 lost both a Kaioshin and a God of Destruction (if the manga and anime are headed in the same direction). This means Universe 7 is technically free game. So future Zamasu saw the open Universe 7 as his chance to create the utopia he's always wanted. So Zamasu became the Kaioshin of Universe 7 and he revived Goku to be the God of Destruction of Universe 7. To Zamasu, Goku made sense as a God of Destruction because of the exceptional strength of the Saiyan race and their ability to grow tremendously stronger after each battle as well as with their Super Saiyan transformations. Now, Black can kill off all mortality as the God of Destruction and Zamasu can follow behind and create a new world to his liking. In regards to whether Goku is mind-controlled, etc., I honestly think Zamasu just placed his Ki in Goku's body. So it's Goku's body but with Zamasu's soul, if that makes sense. That would explain why Black and Zamasu have that same trick of absorbing the opponent's energy.

>>146429228
Yeah I think reconnected it so he's still in desert or something right? Because at end of Z Goku flew off to train with him in hyperbolic time chamber.

>>146429242
Nice try but you're wrong for the sole reason that you're giving too much depth to the series

>>146429228
>>146429263
He's a baby

>>146429189
>>146429189

there is nothing to argue about

toriyama is only involved with the anime

>>146427565
wouldnt he pass out?
>oh and by way monoka is strongest foe beerus has faced so you dont have go easy on him

>>146429228
>>146429263
Super takes palce before the timeskip at the of end of Z. Oob is still a baby at this point, just like Pan. Goku mentioned him when they were thinking of who to get on their team for the tournament against Champa.

>>146427926
shit he couldve taken him imediately after goku and the others leave with the time machine.
>Goku and others leave
>everyone says goodbye
>Zamasu shows up, having killed Gowasu, to kill Goku
>Without Goku there, he takes his kid instead
>If they went to the future timeline, we will as well.

Its basically Raditz taking Gohan, but this time no one could stop him.

>>146429228
>>146429263
>>146429293
>>146429324
Are they gonna retcon the ending of Z? Uub at that point is hilariously underpowered compared to Super's fighters.

>>146429345
yeah, this would be pretty wicked sick.

>>146429296
that is the opposite of the truth
indeed toriyama approves of the manga storyboard each chapter

he doesn't touch the anime production

>>146429360
how strong was kid buu? I mean uub would still be stronger than ss3 goku.

>>146429417
Lmao no.

Their base became way stronger than they were in Z.

>>146429345
oh shit nigga

>>146428074
Those were the old dragon balls. Kami was still the guardian when piccolo died in FTrunks' timeline

>>146429417
Stronger than SS3 Goku but not by much.

Uub without any training is as strong as Kid Buu, so he might have a chance of reaching SSG tier strength.

>>146420338

to get to the other side

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>>146429567

ZAMASU

>>146429360
>>146429417
You also gotta realize that Goku fights Uub in his base form. He straight up COULDN'T beat Kid Buu as a Super Saiyan 3 without running out of ki, so I think him fighting Uub only in base form cancels that out.

>>146429588
why the fuck is this so funny, i shouldn't be laughing

>>146429626

Don't question it, it'll create mustard gas and kill you.

so no gogeta/vegeto?

>>146429654

They will Gogeta and then Black and Zamasu will use their Potaras and become BLACKED Zamazu, then Zen-Chan will recruit him for his tournament.

>>146429430
base form goku couldn't even beat frost though

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>>146429654

I don't really think so. I'd honestly be surprised if they blew their load so soon on SSB Gogeta/Vegeto. I'm thinking that he'll be saved for an even MORE powerful enemy later on down the line.

Let's also not forget about the fact that it's been established that Goku and Vegeta DO NOT like fusion. As saiyans they prefer to fight using only their own power, even in the face of an overbearing power.

>God of destruction isn't doing is job
>eating everything in sight
>God of creation gets imbalanced because of it
>no justice is to be had
Also wouldn't the time rings be in the current place for their time line? Like beerus checked but he checked at the wrong time, Zamus did this in the future.

Also plot hole, a time machine that can cross dimensions?

>>146429837
>Also plot hole, a time machine that can cross dimensions?

It is not a time machine but a universe machine.

Why don't the Gods of destruction come down and kill black for time traveling?

>>146429911
you can go to the future, just not the past

>>146429911
Well, the gods seem to keep to their own universes. Universe 7 in that timeline is freed up since the Kaioshin died, so no god of destruction.

Even then, he's wearing a potara, so it's official time traveling since he's considered a Kaioshin while wearing it.

Man, they actually covered everything really well. It's kind of weird to say that the story is logically sound.

>>146425161
holy shit no, and I really like Chozetsu Dynamic.

>>146429885
>It is not a time machine but a universe machine.

Wait, so is the actual confirmation that Trunks lives in a different universe rather than an alternative timeline?

>>146429968
No he is alternate timeline

>>146429954
>Man, they actually covered everything really well. It's kind of weird to say that the story is logically sound.
>Universe 7's God of destruction was last seen when they gathered the super duper dragon balls of the millennia
>that wished back Universe 7's earth
>that made Black happen
>so that Universe 7's God of destruction could eat great food

Uhhh.....Toriyama/Anon?

>>146428887
>people laugh at SS Blue and Pink when SS Green's been a thing for years

>>146429954
Not only that but they mentioned that killing a Kaioshin would also kill a god of destruction. It's got implications much further than "Just kill this guy".

>>146429837

>Also plot hole, a time machine that can cross dimensions?

What are you talking about?

>>146430073
>That wishes back Universe 7's earth
>That made Black happen
What?

>>146430073
I think you are confused Anon. Universe 7 is our hero's universe. Universe 6 is Champa's universe

>>146428164
Android 18 is like
> you have to go back

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>>146427667

>>146429954
Wait how did the supreme kai of time die?

>>146430097
Indeed, Zamasu was still a Kaioshin, his birth created a God of Destruction, or at least an apprentice one.

So if they do kill him, then the apprentice God of Destruction of Universe 10 will die too. The balance of everything is getting fucked up.

>>146430167
>supreme kai of time

Not canon

>>146430190
>>supreme kai of time
>Not canon
She's actually semi canon at worst, considering Toriyama created her concept

>>146430073
Universe 6 got its earth back

>>146430205
Canon to games, but he doesn't seem to take her into consideration for Super, which is a shame.

>>146428691
He said he got the idea from a suggestion from the editorial office. I don't think it's from him but if it is, he must hold Toyotaro in good regard if that's who he's really referring to.

>>146430223
To be fair, there ain't much she can do here anyways

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>>146427736
The transformation of Mai from part of a gag villain trio to Earth's mom/big sis loved by everyone is the real miracle of the universe 7.

>>146430342
hnnng

>>146430167
also, canon or not I don't think she counts, her job isn't to protect a specific universe, she has to protect time

>>146430080
That yellowish green looked good though. And even if you had an issue with it, it wasn't canon.

>>146430342

That Future Gohan hair.

>>146430342
I'm just sad that her comrades, Shu and Pilaf didn't make it. I imagine there's gonna be a sad story where the pilaf gang tried to escape and only Mai survived.
or pilaf/shu sacrified themselves so Mai could escape.

>>146427736
>>146427857
>>146428146
>>146430342
What the fuck is with Tori and his boner for Mai? He's notorious for completely doping characters for no fucking reason and of all the characters he's decided to make relevant, bending fucking time and space just to make her the right age for Trunks love interest in two different time lines, is Mai? Fucking Mai. A character that no one gave a shit or thought of since before GT and suddenly she's a major player with an almost completely different personally. He's gone so out of his way to make Mai an MC that it feels like something a shitty fanfiction writer would have though of. At this stage, he should have just made a whole new fucking girl for Trunks and done away with the Pilaf gang entirely.

>>146421504
Turles is alot bulkier, more so than regular Goku, while Black is somewhat skinnier than goku

also Turles knew how to fight to his fullest, Black had to get mildly fucked over and learn from Goku's moves how to fight

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But who can beat Arale18? She's got Arale's planet buster strength punches, with an infinite ki generator (Which, considering running out of energy is Arale's only real weakness is pretty good) and can probably do Kienzans and N'cha! cannons. Perfect android.

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>>146430691

Turles was also a comedian.

>>146430672
Yeah you are right, it is strange why suddenly Mai got such a large role, is she a ultra popular character in Japan or something?.

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>mfw black turns out to be broly

I think Trunks will kill that black guy.

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They should've made Black kick 'geta the same way 18 did to break his arm. Missed opportunity there.

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>>146423592
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you fucking ningen? I'll have you know I am the most powerful Kai in this universe, and I've been involved in numerous secret ningen eradications, and I have over 300 thousand confirmed planet exterminations. I am a fighting prodigy and I'm the top fighter of all the Kais. You are nothing to me but just another mortal ningen. I will wipe you the fuck out with mercy the likes of which has never been thought of by stupid ningen, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit without being heard by me? Think again, fucker. As we speak, I am contacting the God of Destruction and your life force is being traced right now so you better prepare for a galaxy wipeout, ningen. The black hole that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your world. You're fucking dead, ningen. I can be anywhere, any time in the future, and I can kill your descendants seven hundred thousand years away, and that's just without breaking any universal rules. Not only am I extensively trained in dark ki, but I have access to all the rings of time and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your dumb ningen butt and all variants of you that exist in different timelines off the face of history, you fucking ningen, If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have cut off your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you retarded mortal. I am a WORLD KING GOD! I will shit fury on your world. You, your stupid comment, everything you've ever seen, and you're ever going to see is fucking dead, ningen.

>>146431130
Go to bed, George Lucas. There's enough poetry as it is.

>>146431063
Nah Black is actually a good character

Ningen

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>>146428114
Keep you waiting huh
He'll use Kaioshin's ring to come to the future
He'll teach Trunks his last lesson by defeating Zamasu and Black

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>>146431063
>>146431183

>>146428439
THIS

>>146431404
nah, if really anybody cared about writing, he'll just get himself killed in the future, further enhancing dragon ball's poetic qualities.

>>146428146
Yeah that were atleast like, 50 tons of rocks or something! How would Black possibly go through an obstacle like that? Not even the West Kai could move such incredible weights!

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Why is Vegeta so proud of this SSJ BLUE form? He hasnt beaten a single opponent in it

>>146431761
>He hasnt beaten a single opponent in it
>Posts a pic of someone he beated with it
Are you ok?

>>146431795

he doesnt count

>>146431430
This makes a lot of sense but I still don't understand why Zamasu was so butthurt that he actually traveled to universe 6 instead of dealing with his own Ningens.

>>146431761

>"I have the same form as goku!"

>>146431821
>moving the goalpost
Yeah he does.

>>146430822
you spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round round

>>146431761
It's actually such a joke. Like I thought the whole difference between Vegeta and Goku in terms of fighting is that Vegeta fights smart. Especially after the cell saga I thought he'd learn that just having the bigger beatstick (hurr durr I am so powerful cause of my new hair color) isn't sufficient enough.

But here we are in super still Vegeta being Android Saga Vegeta.

The only kind of character progression he had is showing that he actually has was it takes to be a ruler

Just stopped by to say that anyone who believes that Black is Goten is a short bus riding retard.

>>146431903

Hey man, at least Vegeta got some hits on Black before he got Blacked.

Goku just ran in and instantly got his shit pushed in.

>>146423475
>Because that has never been done before in the history of Japanese animation. Nope. Not once.
It's even worse in DB's case since they did that twice already

>>146428132
next episode spoilers and spoiling episode titles are pretty retarded imo

>>146428480
>which has greatly increased through training!!
What a load of shit

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>>146421424
That is not how universes work, the only similar universe to 7 is 6, the rest are completely different with completely different races

>>146415551
>Toriyama has somehow managed to give Goten the CHANCE to be important for once in his miserable life
>Seriously, it all sets up perfect
>It would even be some kind of minor plot twist, something Dragonball didn't have since god knows how long, maybe even never
>Nah it'll probably just be Goku

I'm completely serious and certain. Toriyama will waste and shit on this good chance. I simply can't fathom a Dragonball Super where anyone except Goku and Vegeta will get their time to shine.

>>146431759
So far he's been keeping his actual destruction of the earth to a minimum, mostly just people and buildings and even then most structures are still standing. I'm willing to believe that he'd just not bother, leave them for dead or save them for later after a cave in.

>>146432137
>Vegeta shines

>>146432084
>Future Trunks's Reality isn't a parallel universe despite filling all the requirements to be one.
Yeah ok who wrote this shit again?

>>146428378
Would laugh if goku ends up going to namek and restoring future earth to pre-android apocalypse

>>146432137
>Toriyama will waste and shit on this good chance
When was the last time Toriyama did anything impressive with DB?

>>146432137
>Seriously, it all sets up perfect
Only for retards like you.
>Nah it'll probably just be Goku
No shit retard hence the name Black GOKU
kys

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>>146432665
>When was the last time Toriyama did anything impressive with DB?

Will we ever hear Schemmel voice Nigger Goku?

The manga implies that not just earth but furture trunk's timeline whole universe is fucked, Black has been killing every sentient being in the universe, human have just been the most resistant so far.

Future Trunks has it so hard.

>press muffin button
>zeno thinks black is the friend goku was talking about
>enslaves black to become his play buddy for all eternity

wouldn't even be mad

>>146432876
damn destroying the universe must be so much faster when you have a supreme kai, since Whis's transportation method is slow as fuck.

>>146432874
xenoverse 2?

>>146432948
Forgot about that, I don't play vidya.

I guess that makes shit real awkward.. How fucking long do they want to take. We know they started dubbing it a month or so ago.

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>>146431063

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>>146433208
>fusing Goku with that shit excuse for a character

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>>146433419
EXCALIBURRRRRRRRRRRR!

I think Black is the result of some wack time travel plot that was sparked by future Trunks illustrating why you don't fucking time travel.