Remember her?

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>>146382410
I remember that I'm meant to deito Lucifer.

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I wish I didn't

I remember that the last two games in her series were fucking dog shit.

Wait, so was ep1-4 beatrice a totally different character all along? Don't mean this in a meme kind of sense. I mean that she was literally a different character as intended by Ryu07.

After all Virgilia gave the red truth that Beatrice could never be revived.

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That's Kanon with a wing.

You can't fool me.

>her

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>>146382766
Yep.

One of the writers died, and the remaining main one went full retard.

>>146382784
No. She's the same character, she was pretending the whole time for retarded reasons.

>>146382801
>all those weebs with >her portraits

Endless kek's

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>read all the episodes
>still don't know what happened
what happened

BEATROICE

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>>146382784

Ep1-4 is Beatrice Yasu, after she throw herself into the sea, dies, is revived in purgatory.

At the end of ep IV she's basically erased from existence and a new Beatrice is born using the same template.

>>146382861
Dumb shit.

Alot of dumb shit.

You can distill it down to 'They were all dead the whole time. The murderer was all of them killing eachother over the gold. All the different murder's were fake stories Beatrice made up. It's debatable what truly happens at the end, but I guess Ange resurrects everyone. But really probably nothing happened at the end, because it's a clusterfuck

>>146382872
DESIRE

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>>146382410
Posting best Seacat.

>>146382845
Man, the manga is so much better than Ep. VII and VIII in portraying Yasu issues.

>>146382784
The Beatrice in EP6 is basically a child that Battler forced to act like the old Beatrice that died in EP5 so he could pretend he revived her. He did the exact same fucked up thing as Kinzo, and the series treats it as a triumphant moment. It gets even more fucked up when you realize he gets angry at her for having the same personality as his old crush Shannon and demands she becomes more like Beatrice.

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>>146382998

>>146382410
Her revival plot in EP 6 was dumb and unsatisfying, but I absolutely loved 7 and the magic ending in 8.

>>146382927
>she

>>>>/jp/

Get this fucking trash out of here

>>146382861
Everyone was already dead. Beatrice's plan failed immediately before Battler got there amd they killed eachother over the gold anyway.

The events of the game are written by her as possible explanations to what happened. There's a lot of complex meta-narrative bullshit to go along with it, but the TL;DR is that Battler fell in love with her anyway and when she jumped in the water to drown herself with the big-ass rock he leapt in after her, lost consciousness, and washed ashore with amnesia to symbolise Battler passing on with her - even if his body lived.

>>146383045
I never really thought of it like that.

Although I basically had no sympathy for the entire Ushiromiya family after the Facist gold reveal. Like, fuck all of you, your fortune is built on Fascist blunder. Really that gold probably came from Auschwitz. Fuck them all, greedy war-profiteering cunts.

>>146383134
>not believing in magic

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>>146383051

>>146383170
>forcing this meme

Fuck the author for making it that you either believe in the thing that caused so much suffering 1-4, or they were all dead in the first place.

>>146383134
Pretty sure Meta-world exist, tho'.

Or at least it does depending how you see the relationship between the real world and the meta.

>>146383140
I didn't hate the kids for it. It's not their fault the family fortune was blood money, and afaik none of them even found out in the real timeline.

Their parents however were shits for not seeming even a little bit hesitant over the fact their cash probably came from genocide.

>>146383229
Yeah the author basically said the Meta exists. Wish it had never existed in the first place, but there we go.

All it adds to that other anons explanation is 'Then Ange resurrects everyone at the end'

>>146383271
I wonder if we ever really knew any of them. The pieces that Battler created were made in a certain way, to appeal to Ange. Maybe Beatrice did something similar with her pieces?

Either way, everyone apart from the grand-kids are irredeemable cunts.

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>>146383271
>Their parents however were shits for not seeming even a little bit hesitant over the fact their cash probably came from genocide.
You think anyone who find 10 tons of gold and his thigh on money would give too much of a fuck it came from a war it happened 40 years ago and they ad no part with?

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>>146383140
>germans brought their jew gold to japan
top bullshit
wut the fuck man

>>146383329
If they were a decent person? Yes.

I'm not saying they had to give it all to fucking charity and publicly flagellate themselves for inheriting it, but good fuck any signs of mild shame or even introspection is to be expected of a decent person when they find out everything they own was gained through one of the biggest war crimes in history.

>>146383271
>caring about the jews
It's fucking gold who cares

>>146383394
Do you think it would be anyone first thought in that situation anyway?

>>146383335

The Italians were carrying it, and they were trying to use a route that would divert suspicion, but their ship hit a mine and their captain died around the base Kinzo was stationed. The Italians and Japanese couldn't co-operate (or Kinzo instigated) and everyone but Kinzo died, leaving the gold to him.

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am i the only one who loves ep 1-4 but hates ep 5-8

>>146383335
Yeah. It was maybe the most retarded thing in the game. That and making Beatrice a Fascist. Seeing her say how 'the motherland has fallen' and 'we must never surrender to the traitors!' was fucking werid. Same as how Kinzo was saying how the 'Brave Italians never surrender, but fought on!' Like, Ryukishi07, they were fascists, not good people here. I wonder how up to date his history was

That and they all act like anyone in possession of the gold would be rich. Having that gold just makes you an automatic war criminal, it's the definition of a cursed chalice.

>>146383394
Breaking news, all the adults in the family were fucking assholes. Some more than others, sure.

>>146383448
Yep.

Loved the Phoenix Wright style Battler-Beatrice battles, loved the Chapter 3 ruse cruise, the beautiful OST.

Then 5-8 just shits over everything.

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>>146382861
>Kyrie Eleison
>Lord, have mercy.
>Kyrie
>The Lord

I think Kyrie was actually God, who in all His magnanimousness decided to put the unclean heathens from the Ushiromiya family into a test for redemption. Kyrie used His messengers, Maria and Yasu (it's a reference to Iesu - i.e.our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ) to deliver His message and to put forth the test. However, the Ushiromiyas, being a representation of all the sins, refused to listen to our Lord's merciful message, and thus, sadly, they had to be punished, and Rokkenjima became another Sodom and Gomorrah.

Not all of them were a lost case. There were 2 good sheep who deserved salvation. One of them was Eva. However, she had fallen prey of many sins, and thus, our Lord left her without her Adam. In addition, she had to atone for her sinful ways for the rest of her life. The other survivor was Battler, which would be a representation of Job. At the end, after seeing how the Lord - who all gives - took everything away from him, and accepted it, he was rewarded with a new life. And thus, Battler died, and Tohya was born. Together with his new partner, they write Christian stories to spread the word of our Lord.

As for Ange, she was viral marketing for hamburgers, nothing to see there.

This, my dear friends, is the truth behind Rokkenjima.

>>146383457
>Like, Ryukishi07, they were fascists, not good people here. I wonder how up to date his history was
Are you retarded?

Portraying historical situation doesn't mean supporting them.

>>146383514
>higurashi while interesting is ruined for me by seeing soldiers get outwitted by children but ignoring that it's quite an interesting story
>umineko is polluted from the last 3 episodes

I haven't read rose gun yet but I'm assuming his writing is proceeding downhill, I expect the new story that's connected with higurashi is going to be horrible too.

fuck ryukishi07 for making me read through the good parts of umineko and getting my hopes up for the last 3 episodes.

>>146383457
Japan has fucking weird opinions on WW2.

They believe the Nazis were monsters but also admire many of their traits, they seem to accept they themselves did some bad shit as well but try to downplay it often, and as far as I can tell they think the Italians literally dindu nuffin and were only allying with Germany to maintain their sovereignty - putting them on the same level as France when it surrendered.

>>146383329
Do you think for one nanosecond that Mossad wouldn't but on your dick the second you tried to do anything with that gold?

>>146383441
Probably.

>I have this gold
>how can I use this gold?
>wait where did it come from?
>Oh.

>>146383553
I just felt like he genuinely had no idea what his characters were portraying. I think he was confusing the Japanese 'fight until the last!' brave patriotism thing with fascism. Like I doubt he ever intended us to think that the gold came from the Holocaust, he probably intended the audience to think it came from the defeated Italian government.

>>146383627
Shit I didn't mean to reply to >>146383514

>>146383627
I think this was mentioned eariler, but the co-writer died whilst episode 5 was being written. So 6-8 was basically what he could throw together. Personally I feel he should have just cancelled the project, he clearly couldn't finish it well.

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>>146383627
>I haven't read rose gun yet but I'm assuming his writing is proceeding downhill, I expect the new story that's connected with higurashi is going to be horrible too.

Higanbana is pretty good.
Then again, it's pretty different from his usual works, short stories with dark themes focused on bulling/social commentary.


Umineko felt like he bit more than he could chew.

>>146383633
I've tutored in Japanese high schools for a decade now and I can say with 100% certainty it's because their History lessons are flawed.

Besides the standard (and expected) focus on the Pacific theatre, their coverage of the Western front focuses primarily on the Soviets vs the Germans with a mix of France/Poland getting invaded amd British plus American involvement later on.

There's virtually no mention of the blitz, or of the African theatre, or what went on in Eastern Europe pre operation Barbosa beyond the initial invasion of Poland. I'm pretty sure most of my students think Italy only fought in Western Europe, and no jack shit about their reasons or political situation at the time.

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So in the end, who/what the fuck was Ikuko?

>>146383633
>They believe the Nazis were monsters but also admire many of their traits, they seem to accept they themselves did some bad shit as well but try to downplay it often, and as far as I can tell they think the Italians literally dindu nuffin and were only allying with Germany to maintain their sovereignty - putting them on the same level as France when it surrendered.

I dunno, I just don't see R07 as someone not disgusted by war crimes after reading so much of his stuff, it just doesn't feel right.

>>146383641
>Probably.
>
>>I have this gold
>>how can I use this gold?
>>wait where did it come from?
>>Oh.


You sounds like someone who had time to razionalize that, not like someone who just found it, it's in debt and it's fighting with his/her cunt sibling with that.

>>146383705
BT wasn't the co-writer, it was his editor.

Either way, it's just clear if you re-read episode I-IV that it was always the story he wanted to tell, it just wasn't told very well and the solution was what it was.

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>>146383815
Also to add, Hou was complete shit, but then again, it felt like a throwaway work.

>>146383815
Higanbana message is also werid.

>Let's kill all bullies!

>>146383838
Shame that. Although we in the West barely have a better system, it's just that mainstream opinon isn't so hopelessly ignorant.

>>146383899
Meant to be the human familar of a witch who was the writer, who was also the god in Higurashi.

Honestly she and Bern are the absolute worst parts of Umineko to me, purely because they tie this fucking mess with Higurashi.

>>146383960
I guess, it's just really depressing.

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>>146384010
>Higanbana message is also werid.
>>Let's kill all bullies

... that wasn't the message?

Heck, the episode in which they kill the bullies, the dude gets mind-raped by Higanbana and then screams to kill him because he regretted and understood what it meant to kill people.

>>146383899
If you believe in Meta, she's literally GOD. She created Umineko and Higurashi universe, and at some point descended onto the word with her human avatar as Ikuko.

If you don't believe in writer, she's just a very weird old lady who writers fanfiction.

>>146384147
>at some point descended onto the word with her human avatar as Ikuko
And shacked up with crippled amnesiac Battler

Should I go for the original sprites? Or just go for the PS3 ones?

I have a relatively decent tolerance for VN QUALITY art style and sprites. So if they're iconic or the improved art detracts from the mood or something I'll just go with them.

>>146384181
Original. PS3 just don't have that charm.

>>146384181
It's simple, don't play this fucking mess. Especially after the spoliers you have doubtlessly just read from this thread

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>>146384181
Original.

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>>146382410

>>146384227
>Especially after the spoliers you have doubtlessly just read from this thread
I didn't read anything, just saw OP, posted and waited for your responses.

>>146384222
>>146384234
Thanks, the voices from the PS3 patch are wroth it though right? Or ignore those too?

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so should i read it or not
is it actually good

>>146384273
Yes, do get the voices.

>>146384309
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfJueMZJbIc

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>>146384273
>Thanks, the voices from the PS3 patch are wroth it though right? Or ignore those too?
I personally don't like Beato voice, but it's up to you I guess.

Keep in mind Umineko has a huge focus on the OST.

>>146384266

>>146384278
No

Go re-read Higurashi instead

>>146382410
VNs
>>>/jp/

>>146384273
The voice actors themselves are generally good choices (other than perhaps Battler, who I always felt sounded too mature for his character), but the over-the-top screams that Ryukishi likes to write end up sounding a bit underwhelming. Also, Maria's "uu" is annoying as fuck when voiced.

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>>146384384
You now seakitties has several manga and anime.

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>>146384425
>bringing up the anime
Please don't

>>146384384
you meant /v/ right

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>>146384459
At least the manga is solid.

Episode 8 is actually better than the VN.

>>146382724
T H I S
H
I
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>>146384493
VNs are ok for /jp/ too, aren't they?

>>146384499
>Episode 8 is actually better than the VN.
I didn't like some of the changes it made. The magic ending especially is ruined by making the scene explicitly take place in the real world instead of meta.

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What is the most underrated episode and why is it episode 3?

>>146383899
Fantasy: A powerful witch and Bernkastel's master, Hanyuu is a fragment of her. Implied to be very involved in Higurashi's events.

Mystery: just some eccentric woman that was helping Battler regain his memories and implied to have a romantic relationship with him in the end. Helped Battler to write episodes 1-4, and wrote 5-6 by herself.

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>>146384723
Episode 3 is one of the most favorite episodes, what the fuck are you smocking?

>>146384723
Most people like 3 be.
I remember 7 was well received when it first came out but for some reason general opinion shifted.

>>146384871
*best

>>146383641
What the hell? This is a strange complaint. I think it's your own jew obsessed bias that keeps you from enjoying a part of the story that has connections with the axis powers. You're ignoring the hearts of the men who all killed themselves over the magic spell the gold cast over them. It doesn't matter where it came from, the Italians weren't being cast in a heroic light anyways. The Japanese and they were so obsessed over their own greed, ambitions, and dead country's pride that they all wound up dead right at the end of the war. As if to mirror the 1986 family conflict on the island, where everyone died again for little reason.

>>146383335
It was italians, dumbass. Not Germans.

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>>146384010
>Let's kill all bullies!
Is that really the message you got from the story? You're a fool.

>>146384871
>I remember 7 was well received when it first came out but for some reason general opinion shifted.
Eh, I wouldn't say this, if you re-check /jp/ threads

https://warosu.org/jp/thread/6790041
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/S7100053

A lot of people felt like Yasu ruined the series forever.

>>146383457
Crazy thought here, but what if Italians on the side of fascism ACTUALLY thought they were the good guys. What if the Japanese also thought they were the good guys back then?

Holy shit, I think I just blew my own mind.

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>>146382998
Sorry, wrong pic.

>>146384723
The ruse on that got me so fucking hard

Too fucking hard

>>146384914
> your own jew obsessed bias
Hay buddy, I'm not the one with subs full of fascist gold turning up in my stories here

>You're ignoring the hearts of the men who all killed themselves over the magic spell the gold cast over them
If that even happened, Kinzo is YET ANOTHER unreliable narrator in the story.

>it came from, the Italians weren't being cast in a heroic light anyways
Maybe you should re-read it, because yes, yes they were. Kinzo and co, who are talking about the re-telling of the story, constantly heap praises on them.

Maybe your overlooking the story-telling faults in an attempt to reach themes which may or may not be there?

>>146385046
Actually in the story they mostly are depressed people who didn't really seem to think of themselves with any pride.

It's the narration and the reaction of the characters in the church I take issue with

>>146385277
It should be a crime to be this hot and get so little screentime.

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>>146385277
Here we go again.

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>>146382947
>Ange ressurects everyone
If you think that's what actually happened. Buddy, you still don't understand magic.

>>146385286
Not him but

>If that even happened, Kinzo is YET ANOTHER unreliable narrator in the story.
This should be obvious to you since the beginning. Kinzo's portrayal about how he got the gold is a complete lie, and episode 7 tea party confirms it. He's portraying everything to his convenience. You shouldn't take his narrative at face value.

>>146385371
Magic is a delusion, and bending of perspective interpreting a truth. So Ange never actually resurrected anyone.

That about right?

>>146385406
My point there was that his point probably wasn't true. So I already understood his was portraying things to his convenience. What's your point?

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>>146385286
Obviously Kinzo is an unreliable narrator.
I still don't see what's wrong with facist gold? Or KINZO of all people admiring facists in his own story? Tell me what's wrong with that narrative. I nor Kinzo nor most people reading give a fuck about the crying ghosts of da 6 million.

>>146384955
they were germans back then idiot

>>146385425
That was my understanding. I've heard a lot of people talk as if the magic ending is some bullshit happy ending pulled out of an ass. But it's just as sad as the truth.

>>146385564
Because Lion and Wright both agree that the Italians were great, righteous survivors. They even have a 'Did you know?' moment where they explain that an Italian rump state fought on for the Axis until the end.

These are the SKEPTICS in the story, and they even prop up the 'brave, daring fascist submariners' narrative.

And in a game about thinking, a game about perspective, no-one even gives a shit about where the gold came from. Not a single character. It's bad writing.

>>146383641
>he probably intended the audience to think it came from the defeated Italian government.
I did think that.

>>146385706
Although it's weird, because the author has basically said the Meta is real.

Yet magic isn't real.

Like, in the narrative I know there are reasons for it, but if you want me to be a skeptic, don't 100% confirm a fantasy element RIGHT fucking next to it.

>>146385710
>And in a game about thinking, a game about perspective, no-one even gives a shit about where the gold came from. Not a single character. It's bad writing.
Almost as if half of the character were assholes!

Also really, calm your tits.

>>146385801
>Although it's weird, because the author has basically said the Meta is real.
Did he?

It's basically like you want.

Is Featherine Ikuko or is Ikuko Featherine? It doesn't matter much in the end.

>>146384278
Go buy it so MG makes a physical release and then I can buy it.

The first 5 episodes are all good. It goes to shit after that but I am still of the personal opinion that the whole thing is worth a read.
I think episode 7 actually has a bit of a mixed response but in general 6 and 8 are seen as pretty trash, with 8 being far from the ending people wanted, and it going out of its way to shit on the readers.

>>146385879
>Almost as if half of the character were assholes!
>half
>not all

>>146385918
If I wanted to write my own story, I'd write my own story.

>>146384653
They used to be but most VN discussion is on /vg/ now, unfortunately.
There are still seacats threads on /jp/ though.

>>>/jp/15754759

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>>146385953
>If I wanted to write my own story, I'd write my own story.
You never had a story leaving things ambiguous before?

>>146385710
You think all fascists were evil scheming barons who kill for fun?
These guys were just soldiers that made it around the world in a sub for their country. I don't see why they shouldn't regard them as heroic.
>>146385749
Because R07 states it outright. Whether it's all gold given to the Italians from Germans who stole it from jews. Or it came right from the government's treasury emptied out as a last resort. We could say that the solution is in a catbox, don't you think? Even if they had their suspicions, it changes nothing of the soldier's plight, or the plight of Beatrice.

Anyways, I thank god when I read Jap shit about WW2 I'm not assaulted by a constant barrage of remember the 6million. If you really expected Will to say something like that off hand, oh but don't think too highly of these guys, they were fascists! You've been consuming too much hollywood crap.

>>146386040
>You think all fascists were evil scheming barons who kill for fun?
Hold it there m8ty, they explain in the story explicitly that these are the survivors of the Italian fascist elite, they all had connections to Mussolini himself (they literally namedrop him).

They weren't good boys who dinnu du, these were facist storm-troopers and the absolute most faithful

>>146386018
This is the wrong type of story for that. Or at least, 1-4 was.

>>146386018
Not him, but, there's a difference between leaving things ambiguous and making 80% of the story "they were all delusions!!!!!!!!!"

Without the magic it just turns into a story about a little girl really upset that her family is dead. Not really what I signed up for.

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>>146386141
>Without the magic it just turns into a story about a little girl really upset that her family is dead. Not really what I signed up for.
Nothing about meta is false.

Heck, episode 8 manga seems to hint the tales became fragment due to 34 powers.

>>146385710
>Because Lion and Wright both agree that the Italians were great, righteous survivors.
Lion has been raised by Kinzo and is stated to be very naive. He also has no idea of what is really going on with this family. He HAS to agree with what Kinzo says. And since Will has literally no other leads to know what really happened with the italians other than Kinzo, he has no choice but to believe what Kinzo says too.

>no-one even gives a shit about where the gold came from.
Did you miss the whole part where the Ushiromiyas are stated to be egoistical assholes? Why would they give a fuck?

>>146386141
I get that feeling, but I really don't think it was Ryukishi's intention to make the magic and meta world not matter. The opposite, in fact.

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>>146386136
>They weren't good boys who dinnu du, these were facist storm-troopers and the absolute most faithful
Do you also get triggered by slavers, wife-beaters and racism when reading historical fictions?

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>>146386215
>>146386215
>Nothing about meta is false.

BUT THEN WHY IS MAGIC NOT REAL

Or is it that 'anti-magic toxin' that sounds so bullshit I spent the entire game thinking it was a fake out

>>146386264
>BUT THEN WHY IS MAGIC NOT REAL
Magic =/= occult. They stated this in episode 2 I think.

>>146386264
Because meta is not the real world. It's like the god realms, the realm of concept and thoughts.

Magic is something people wanted to exist in real world. But you can't turn a potato into gold in the real world.

>>146386264
Magic is illusion. Meta is fictional power.
What I mean by fictional power, is the power to be a writer or reader and people below you as characters.

>>146386246
>And since Will has literally no other leads to know what really happened with the italians other than Kinzo, he has no choice but to believe what Kinzo says too.

No. He doesn't just agree with what he says, he basically turns towards the gamer and has a 'did you know?' moment. He had no real reason to say anything like that. Your really stretching it at this point

>Did you miss the whole 'Ushiromiya are assholes' part?
You including Battler in this? Really there are characters in the story other then the literally dickheads who should have thought about this. It just tells me the author didn't.

>>146386262
No. Because that has the setting in context.

Literally in the context of the game, certain characters should know better. It speaks to the limitations of the author. I'm not annoyed because unpleasent things exist in fiction, I'm annoyed because the author basically put no thought into it.

>>146386392
>>146386420
So the meta is the writers circle-jerk room? I see.

>>146386362
Yeah that I got.

>>146386262
His point was that nobody gets upset and treats these guys as heroes.
But I'd like to think Will is smart enough to know that most of what these guys are said to have done is propaganda. Unlike this guy
>>146386482
Who gets so upset at the thought of heroic axis members. They've all got to be portrayed as evil and villainous.

>>146386580
I'm not upset at the thought of them.

Because in this case we are talking about looted Fascist gold, transported by the absolute fascist hardcore.

What part of that is heroic

>>146386392
>>146386420
So then does the Golden Land fall under meta or magic?

>>146386482
>You including Battler in this?
Yeah? Battler also never gave a fuck about where the gold came from and neither did either of the cousins. Even in episode 5 when he actually finds the gold, he doesn't even care where it came from. He's very indifferent to it, to be honest.

>He had no real reason to say anything like that
I took it as him trying to explain Lion the situation. The latter was shown to be very clueless in the matter.

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>>146386482
What did you want?


Battler to throw an holocaust memorial gameboard?

>>146386665
The part where they risk their lives sneaking their entire country's fortune across the world to save it. Broken and beaten, they still dream of a day where their country can return to it's glory days. A completely selfless battle fighting a war that was already lost.

>>146386742
Also, this was all in a fucking WW2 sub. They could have been blown up or stranded or god knows what at any time.

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>>146386699
>Yeah? Battler also never gave a fuck about where the gold came from and neither did either of the cousins. Even in episode 5 when he actually finds the gold, he doesn't even care where it came from. He's very indifferent to it, to be honest.
And why would he?

You are overthinking the amount of fuck the average person happened about the holocaust.

Yes, it happened. Yes, it was absolutely horrorific.

>>146386810
>You are overthinking the amount of fuck the average person happened about the holocaust.
Gives about*

>>146386580
>His point was that nobody gets upset and treats these guys as heroes.
But no one is treating them like heroes? There's very little political comment about the historical situation other than what was relevant to Kinzo/Biche and the gold. Kinzo's portrayal is just his own delusions, it shouldn't be reflection of whatever opinion R07 has of it.

I mean, seriously, a character who is stated to be batshit crazy and delusional, and on top of that an asshole, portrays a political situation in a questionable way. And this character is the only person alive that witnessed the whole thing, and no one can tell if he's lying or not, so they have to agree with him. And the rest of his family are also assholes or don't care. Nowhere R07 pops out and says the italians were great.

>>146386810
You replied to the wrong post.

>>146386810
Not to mention the average nip. They don't have any Jews there, so they don't have to worry about the holocaust being shoved down their throats every 2 or 3 Hollywood movies.
It's stupid anyway, who the fuck cares if you have blood money? The past is the past, if I fell into a massive fortune and I found it was built on nazis or slaves I can't say I'd give a fuck about it. It's my cash now.

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>>146383815
>Then again, it's pretty different from his usual works, short stories with dark themes focused on bulling/social commentary.
R07 seems to have... extensive knowledge about it.

>>146386682
I think Beatrice's golden land was a kind of made up heaven, where the family members go after they die, after they solve the riddle. So it's magic.
But everything in part 8 is meta battles. So the golden land you see there is what' being written, I think in that case it's meta.

>>146386699
>Yeah?
Fair enough. But literally none of them bring it up? In the whole story? I'm calling it bad writing.

>trying to explain it to Lion
Why? He knows the score, it's a Bern fragment world for fuck sake.

>>146386728
I wanted the author to not write a hopeless ignorant asspull to explain the existence of gold. I mean, the guy still wants me to care about his characters, right? Fascist incest really is the opposite of that.

>>146386742
>hauling looted dirty gold to save there own assess in a fascist rival
>heroic
Man you have a different perspective to me

>>146386810
Listen I don't want the chief fucking Rabbi to come out and give a lecture in the middle of some random VN here

I just wanted the came about critical thinking and skepticism to maybe have more complexity then 'and then the fascist heroes turned up with shittons of gold!'.

>>146386863
Again, it's more then just Kinzo, Will says about the 'brave Italians who fought to the end'. Fuck he even adds that there is a misconception that they surrendered. Literally NOT the guy who we think of as an unreliable narrator without the whole scene just falling to pieces.

>>146386922
Why would you read like that ?

>>146386993
It's a screenshot of a youtube playthought when I wasreading to re-check some Rei part. (I already read the novel years ago)

>>146386920
>Man you have a different perspective to me
AND WE GET TO THE ROOT OF THE PROBLEM
It's not a narrative problem. You're just a sensitive fucking baby about Japanese portrayal of WW2 material. There you go.
R07 never thought his work would be read by crocodile tear kikes in the west.

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>>146386968
>Fascist incest really is the opposite of that
Yeah, it isn't.

That's why finding the bodies and the incest literally drove Yasu insane.

>>146387110
>>146386968

>>146382998
>>146385277
Will and Erika should just marry!

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>>146387125
Wait, wrong page

>>146386968
>>hauling looted dirty gold to save there own assess in a fascist rival
That gold was going to be used to build a new country. They weren't trying to save their own asses.

>>146383705
>co-writer
Fuck off. There was no co-writer. BT was just a friend who liked reading the series. You're literally retarded.

OH
DESIRE

>>146387110
>a sensitive fucking baby
Eh, I see bad writing I call it out. Better then being assmad that someone called your VN bad.

>it's not a narrative problem
It is. Because the skepticism stops and random BS is inserted in it's place

>>146387211
But anon, it's all up to interpretation! Unreliable narrators! Find your own meaning!

>>146387125
>>146387200
The correct response

>>146386968
Please just go back to Tumblr.

Literally what does the Italian Fascist government have to do with the holocaust happening on the other side of the continent?

If we're going to say a country is entirely responsible for what their ally does then Britian nuked Japan (because they're allied with the US), France enslaved Greek Christian boys (because they were allied with the Ottoman Empire), and the US raped little afghan boys on a regular basis (because that's what the Afghany government the US funded ended up doing).

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>>146387291
DESIRE

Good to see some old memes in this trainwreck of a thread

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>>146386920
>It's my cash now.
oho
That's funny because what would you do if it wasn't nazi gold but a witch's gold?

>>146386968
>But literally none of them bring it up? In the whole story?
None of them knew or either cared. Neither of the cousins care about whatever happened with the italians because they're already busy with their own agendas. The siblings don't care either because they also have their own problems to take care of and were too desperate in saving their asses to question where the gold came from.

>He knows the score, it's a Bern fragment world for fuck sake.
That is not how it works. Bern's fragment just brings all the pieces together, it doesn't mean the pieces know exactly what is going on. For example, Lion meets both Kanon and Shanon and doesn't even know their names. He doesn't have any reason to know about the italian's involvement with Kinzo.

>Fascist incest really is the opposite of that.
Jesus fucking christ did you read the whole episode about how said incest drove the main antagonist insane?

>Will says about the 'brave Italians who fought to the end'.
> there is a misconception that they surrendered.
You do realize that in Kinzo's narrative, the gold was meant to be used to build a new country where they would keep fighting? They were supposed to carry it somewhere else and start recovering, but the submarine ended up sinking. Will's comments are about that.

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>>146387291

>>146387352
Skepticism of what? They did a heroic deed. What is there to be skeptic about? They didn't really go around the world in a sub?
Will can be skeptic of the events of the story plenty. But he took the heroism part at face value, because it doesn't mean much. It's a minute detail. So why do you care so much?

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>>146387396
DESIRE

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>>146382626

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I want to fuck Lambdadelta!

>>146387352
>But anon, it's all up to interpretation! Unreliable narrators! Find your own meaning!
That part is actually true and not up to interpretation. The seal in the gold was the bird from Salo Republic, and the Ushiromiya's one-winged eagle is inspired on that.

>>146387545
>Showering with a penisgirl

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>>146387396
>Good to see some old memes in this trainwreck of a thread


Every thread until we reach the Golden Land.

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>>146387710
Candy. Flavored.

>>146387839
tight
pink
candy
pussy

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>>146387524
>Jesus fucking christ did you read the whole episode about how said incest drove the main antagonist insane?
In fairness, the incest part was not touched much in episode VII

In fact, the one that really hammered the point is episode VIII manga.

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Why are the Stakes so fuckable?

the manga explains that what Bernkastel showed Ange in EP7 was the Truth.

it's a relatively sad story because it shows that Ange's parents were the big bad, and Eva couldn't tell her.

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>>146387956

Yes, Genji, I'm sure telling Shannon she's the result of incest, that her father in a mass murder and she had mutilated genitals all at the same time it's going to be fine.

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>>146387396

>>146387989
Lucifer > Belphegor > Leviathan > Satan > Mammon > Asmodeus > Beelzebub

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>>146388117

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>>146388359

>>146388064
What wasw Genji's character anyway? He was just 'Stoic butler', with a little bit of childhood backstory.

Guy seemed like abit of an idiot, actually. Although he went along with Yasu's 'Let's kill everyone' plan, so I guess he did at one point have independent thoughts

>>146388064
Don't forget allowing her to work in a male persona while STILL not telling her about her genitals.

So I was moved during 100 hours just to see that everyone is a retard ?

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>>146387828

>>146388422
I like to think Ronove was how Genji used to act when he was younger. So Yasu grew up on stories like that about him and started to think of him as Ronove.
Now he's just a tired old butler that still has some unfulfilled debt to Kinzo. And he only carries on out of duty and friendship.

>>146388018
This was obvious even in the VN.

>>146382845
what volume was that again?

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I just read the series for the battles, music, ambience, memes and threads.

It was a fun ride, regardless of how it went towards the end.

>EP1-4 fuck magic
>EP5-8 MAGIC IS REAL
wtf battler

>>146389763
Without love, it cannot be seen.

>>146389953
>hack writing
Nice buzzwords, friend.

>>146387989
It's 7 identical super hot chicks with different hairstyles in really revealing clothing.

>>146386928
That makes the magic end a little confusing. Did Battlers soul fly into meta heaven or was the delusions of Ange and a confused crippled Battler?

Jesus. This whole series was like a 200 hour buildup into fridge sadness for me. After reading 1-5 the rest made me feel like I was getting bait and switch'd.

I still choke up a little when I think about the family putting loli Ange to sleep after settling their differences after it's already too late in a game of hide and seek. Shit's just too sad.

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>>146387989
>best Stakes ruins the picture because lolanatomy

>>146382724
>top right: that's not Battler
>bottom right: Battler is lying on purpose
Nothing went wrong except for your reading comprehension.

>>146390299
>Did Battlers soul fly into meta heaven or was the delusions of Ange and a confused crippled Battler?
whynotboth.gif

But yeah, this series could be ridiculous fun and then turn soul-crushingly depressing.

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>literally derailing the thread over lack of apologies for the Holocaust
I think the only places in which people give this much of a fuck about it are America and Israel.
Not even in fucking Germany they seem to be as obsessed as that, and it was their State that carried it out.

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>beach OVA never

how do YOU think it should have ended

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>>146397086
Orgy with the Siester Sisters and the Stakes.

>>146397154
So what was up with the 4th Siesta ?

>>146397322
Killed by Rosa.

>all the penis portrait memes
But the portrait is Lolitrice or the original Beatrice

>>146389673
I read it for the music and because I wanted to know about how Bern's powerlevel

>>146382410
>her
'She' had a penis, m8.

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Stupid, useless bunny. Only good for her sex appeal.

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Never ever EOPs.

>>146397560
Emphasis on had.

>>146397560
>>146382788
>>146382801
>>146382845
Meta Beatrice has a woman's body.

NEW SPRITES > SHITTY ORIGINAL GARBAGE

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Would you feed her?

>>146397866
Would feed her my dick

Wait so what were the rules X Y Z that Lambda talked about?

>>146398095
*on Bern's letter

>>146398214
It's mentioned in ep4.

>>146384278
It has really awesome hype moments but pretty messy over all. You will most likely won't understand what the fuck happened in the end.
Even after 6 years I still don't know what happened and never bothered to truly understand it because it went too meta and made me feel cold.

>>146394036
>whynotboth.gif

oh okay I think I get it now.

>>146397154
Nothing gets me harder than the sister on the right. Jesus christ. I need some VR goggles.

>>146399800
She's the worst. 00 is the best.

>>146399870
I dunno, she kind of comes off as generic and dry personality wise too me.

Sure 410 is just your everyday shit-eating-grin evil waifu, but that's my type so I can give it a pass.

So /swigun/ here?

>>146399700
ep 7 is the truth.
Bern says so.

>>146402298
Bern is a dick

>>146402530
I wish my dick was in Bern.

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>>146400055

>>146403178
I could train her if you follow my drift.

>>146397612
Is it actually any good?

>>146403178
>No doujins of her being furiosly eaten out by Erika
Why does everyone hate this series so

>tfw you actually liked episode 8 and preferred chiru to the original

>>146402530
well, Ange wanted the truth, so Bern showed it to her.

I'm not sure how else Bern could have told it to her. she had to be harsh, she had to be realistic.
she's not going to say 'I'm sorry, but this is what happened'. Ange might not believe it.
she had to act like a villain and be tough. "This is what really happened. Deal with it."

>>146403709
I thought that it was fine, and the interactive bits were super cool. It just didn't contribute to the mystery bit and was super preechy all the way through.

>>146404052
The mystery died on 4

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>>146397086
Battler solving the mystery and defeating Beatrice in the meta world, then saving his family from the explosion and getting together with Shannon before returning home to Ange.

>>146382724
what the fuck is with that art? those are not the original sprites

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>>146403709
Me too Anon
Almost all of the later part were much comfier,as I pretty much stopped thinking and just enjoyed it.
1-4 was fun with mystery being not understanding the core of Umineko which was later explained, but I was spoiled so much, that I couldn't give a shit.
Also why is Ange so fat?

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>>146406463

>>146383045
And this is why Battler is forever a shit.

Willard. Best detective. Best Battler.

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The goats were the ones who killed the Ushiromiya family.
Beato and Battler got off the island and lived happily ever after.
Everybody from the family is innocent.

That's the truth and you can't prove me wrong.

>>146383045
>It gets even more fucked up when you realize he gets angry at her for having the same personality as his old crush Shannon and demands she becomes more like Beatrice.

I'm pretty sure he quickly gets over the fact she's not Beato.

Either way, the child has a crush on Battler and a tad lil late to worry about incest.

>>146397612
How is it? Alice on space sounds interesting to say the least.

Did Battler actually care about Yasu other than as a childhood crush? The story focuses on meta-Battler and Beato's love but after seeing the real events that occurred in the island, can't help but think it's Yasu's delusions.

>>146410431
In real life, no, Battler likely didn't, but I think the meta deal is more about their meta relationship as Battler was figuring things out and his sympathy for her plight once he found the truth.

>>146410431
He liked her, but decided to give up on her when he learned that George was going to propose to her.

>>146410431
The meta world is amnesiac Battler trying to figure out what happened, so actually it's Battler's delusions.

>>146410431
>Did Battler actually care about Yasu other than as a childhood crush? The story focuses on meta-Battler and Beato's love but after seeing the real events that occurred in the island, can't help but think it's Yasu's delusions.


Apparently.

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>>146410682
Wops, forgot picture

>>146408800
Still too early to really tell. All I know is that I'll be avoiding all 7th Expansion threads until the translation comes out.

>>146410605
Given how detailed it goes into Kinzo's backstory and stuff, I still think that the "Battler" we see with amnesia is really just Yasu.

>>146407451
>That's the truth and you can't prove me wrong.

Yes I can, because I have a better truth for you.

Everyone reached the Golden Land. With love the truth was seen and everyone was able to forgive each other and be with the one they loved. Magic really does exist.

PS3 > Original > Pachinko

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Umineko is one of the most disappointing stories I've ever read/watched/played whatever. Everyone fought against ShaKanonTrice being the truth because it was so fucking retarded nobody wanted it to be the answer, everyone wanted something smart, not this stupid ass shit.

>>146412336
>it was stupid

Confess, you're just saying this because you're mad your waifu has a penis.

>>146412450
Metabeatrice doesn't have a penis and she is the only one people care about

>>146397560
well this is funny

i genuinely dislike the idea of a man who change sex into female.
i dislike the Anime/manga about that genderbender with "i would never tap them"
but "him" who was raised as a girl, and never had a male influence on him, well i don't find the idea of a platonic love like that bad

am i a faggot?

>>146398095
>>146398154
You know, the secret rule of Higurashi. It was X: Rika's friends always go crazy, Y:Tomitake and Miyo always get killed, Z: Sonozakis always take the blame
They're steadfast rules that the worlds always follow. Why, when so much of the scenario changes do these things always happen? They're important to the other thing that always happens, Rika's death.

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>>146412947
Whatever dude, cute is cute.

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>>146398095

just one thing... after so many years , after reading all this shit.

it was only Yasu imagination?
all the witch things? What the hell was that?!

this whole serie make sense as the Evangelium shit

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>tfw i watched the animu and had no idea wtf was going on
>read the VN synopsis and still had no idea wtf was going on
>played that fightan gayme they put out and liked the drill loli in blue with the energy blade
well at least it had some interesting character designs

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>>146413743

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>>146413743
I can moon and I love Seacats

>>146413743
>overrated
I don't know about other places, but whenever I see it brought up on 4chan now it's mostly people talking about how Ryuukishi shit the bed and eps 5-8 are garbage.

>>146411957
Agreed

>>146412450
Rosa was my Umineko waifu, Beato a shit

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>>146397612

Your employer has gone completely insane after the death of his child (whom he's been fucking since it was old enough to bleed) and you fear that he may also rape his incest-rape baby, who just happens to be a boy, and is also frail and injured as fuck because the other lunatic you work for tried to kill him.

Do you:

>a) call the police

>b) check with your employer's children to see if any of them might need a living baby to replace a dead baby

>c) come up with a bullshit convoluted plot that involves taking that child, forcing it to become pretty much a slav-- a maid. Oh, and for shits and giggles you'll raise it to believe it is a girl because everyone loves mentally unstable traps, right?

>>146415647
>b) check with your employer's children to see if any of them might need a living baby to replace a dead baby
But Yasu/Lion whatever is a full year older than Battler and Asumu's dead baby, I don't think that would work.

>>146415647
Nigga I'm just here for a paycheck, once that clock hits 5 I don't care who's fucking who or who's pretending to be what gender.

>>146397612
Is there a torrent yet?

BEATRICEEEHHHH

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I want to give Erika the duct tape.

>>146416154
Don't do it man, she'll fuck you up. You wouldn't want to be utterly dominated and surrender every ounce of authority and pride you have just to receive her daily abuse and smug condescending looks would you?

BT was obviously Umineko co-writer / ghost writer.

It's pretty fucking obvious BeaTrice presented a murder mystery to R07 and his interpretation of it became Umineko. BT died without revealing the answer and episode 5-8 is what we got.

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>>146416325
This meme will never die, will it?

>>146416325
Nah R07 is just shit.

>>146416325
Imagine being this delusional

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>>146416325
>>146416325
>It's pretty fucking obvious BeaTrice presented a murder mystery to R07 and his interpretation of it became Umineko. BT died without revealing the answer and episode 5-8 is what we got.

That's retarded. He already revealed the solution countless times and ep I-IV are prett much laid bare nowadays.

If you don't like the solution that's fine, I think maid pretending to be 3 people in stupid too.

I think a lot of people give R07 too much credit, it's not unheard for authors to ultimately fail when it comes to solution. Just look at ZTD.

Also I feel a lot of people give R07 way to much credit, he wrote hinamizawa syndrome and home alone, for fuck sake, he's not perfect.

>>146417075
>>I think a lot of people give R07 too much credit

Exactly. And this is precisely the reason theories like Rosatrice and MANGA CONSPIRACY exist.

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I really love arguing with you guys I hope we can do it forever.

>>146417616
Only if you post more of best witch

>>146417616
I hope you die young

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>>146415647
Genji is portrayer as loyal to a fault, and entirely devoted to Kinzo (also hella gay is Ronove is to believed). Kumasawa and Nanjo are slightly less morons, but easily brided and probably too much pussies. Denouncing Kinzo probably meant implicating themselves with rape, incest and god knows that.


This said, the way they handled Yasu's situation? Utterly moronic and borderline bad writing.

I mean, I GET IT, 1980 Japan wasn't probably the most knowledge place about gender disorders, but did these people ever stop THINKING what they were doing?

I mean, they raise Yasu as a girl. OK, that make sense and it's actually a common choice in these situation. But then, they don't tell her anything about her body when she's about to enter her teenager years. Where they expecting her to not notice the lack of breast and period?

Then, there is the Kanon issue. Out of fucking nowhere, Shannon basically asks them to let her try to work and role-play as this male persona. And they ACCEPT without still telling her ANYTHING.

Then, she finds the gold, and do they do? They dump everything on her ALL AT ONCE. "You body suck. You are trying to fuck your nephews. Also rapebaby and mass-murder dad" BECAUSE THAT'S CLEARLY THE BEST COURSE OF ACTION.

I mean, even if Genji was a robot, Nanjo and Kumawasa have children and grandchildren, so they should be clearly capable of logical thinking and understanding emotion.

>>146418279
Was there any point to Yasu being disfigured besides muh madness?

>>146418563
It's the whole crux of her issues, she's not just disfigured, she's basically an eunuch that cannot love.

>>146418663
You could still do him in the asshole

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>>146418736
Yes, I'm sure falling in love with a person and finding out s/he basically a genderless robot is ok for most people.

I mean, just look at how many jokes we get about
>she

>>146418815
George is enough of a homo to be OK with it desu

>tfw not qualified for love

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>>146418893
I don't know if you are trolling or being disingenuous, but do you seriously expect her to believe the guy that wants to talk about making many babies with her is ok with the incest baby that was originally a boy?

More so, it's not like she didn't think of telling him.

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I wanna fuck all the Stakes.

>>146410431
He probably liked her but it was just that, like.
For example he didn't even remember Shanon at the beginning of the story, but then later he gets jealous when he hears George has a relationship with her.

>can't help but think it's Yasu's delusions.
Episode 1-2 have very little Battler/Beato shipping, and those were written by Yasu. The heavy shipping comes in 3-4 and those were written by Tohya.

>>146411324
Yasu told Battler everything about the truth before she died. That's how he knows.

>>146413529
It was all metaphorical.

>>146418279
These are the same people that saw from miles away that Kinzo would rape his daughter and didn't do shit to stop him. It's clear that they're almost as terrible as the rest of the cast. Not bad writing, just awful people.

>>146418563
Yes? Holy shit is basically the center of all her conflict and it's where the whole furniture concept comes from.

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Who's the most fuckable girl and why is it Jessica?

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>>146419602
They're so lewd.

>>146415806
Battler and Yasu are the same age.

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>>146421811
They can't help it.

So new WTC never? Please, R07.

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>>146421334
This little moaning fucktoy.

>>146422199
R07's newest work, TRianThology, is coming out in 3 days, anon.

>>146422205
Her uu uuu would be annoying during sex

>Falling in love with 3 people at once
>Yasu is a slut

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>>146422414
The kihihihi would be fun. Or you could just go for a ballgag.

>>146418815
R07 stated in an interview that George knew and he didn't care. Yasu took his joke about having children too seriously and George was stupid for having made it in the first place.

Also, when you take into consideration that Yasu has gender dsyphoria, that battle between Beato and Kanon takes on a whole new meaning. She's not just mocking him for having a micro-dick, she's mocking him for having a dick in the first place.

Although what's really fucked up is that even in the Golden Land Yasu would have no one that loved them for them because everyone would have the fakes that Yasu created.

>>146422580
Fuck you, Yasu is pure!

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>>146421334
DIED FOR NOTHING!

SHE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING WRONG!

>>146422702
Never heard about this interview on George before. Strikes me as odd that George would know considering absolutely none of the other non-servant characters did.

>>146422702
>R07 stated in an interview that George knew and he didn't care.
R07 stated that IF George knew then he WOULDN'T care, not that he did know. He'd be willing to discard that happy dream of his for love. But Yasu is too self-loathing and paranoid to consider that as a viable prospect.

>>146422702
>Although what's really fucked up is that even in the Golden Land Yasu would have no one that loved them for them because everyone would have the fakes that Yasu created.
Yasu wants more than anything else to not exist and let Shannon be the real person.

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Which one, anon?

>>146423077
Luci and Belphi.

>>146423077
Which one I find most erotic: Lucifer
Which one I find the best designed: Satan
Which one I would most want to summon: Belphegor because I'm a lazy shit

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>inbred rape baby grows up to have multiple personalities and each personality is in love with a different cousin

Umineko is so awful reading it makes you dumber.

>>146422969
Because Yasu thinks that she doesn't deserve love and that no one will ever accept her true self. That's why she created Shannon, Beato, and Kanon in the first place.


But when I think about all the meta characters, I guess Lion and Will would be able to fill Yasu's dark hole with light in the Golden Land.

>>146418893
i dun think George will ok without children
he need successor for ushiromiya family

>>146423645
It's basically a VC Andrews novel.

>>146423790
Word of god is that he'd be cool with it if he knew.
He'd probably just adopt.

>>146423857
Word of God means shit when it's coming from R07. The man is a compulsive liar and a bad writer.

>>146423790
Step 1: Go to orphanage
Step 2: Grab baby
Step 3: ????
Step 4: Profit!

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>>146383044
The visual novel does just as good as a job portraying Yasu's issues, it just does so in a different way, I felt. I'm not talking about Ep. 7, if you re-read eps 1-4 with knowledge of Yasu as the culprit it's like you're reading an entire different story.

>>146417351
It wasn't Ryukishi's fault that Rosatrice existed. Most of his arguments were faulty to begin with, and above all, were built on a distrust of Ryukishi as an author.

>>146423077
Leviathan as a wife with Belphegor, Beelzebub, and Mammon as friends to chill out with. Lucifer as my mistress and true wife for the sake of making Leviathan jealous.

>>146424221
1st time im really thought Battler is rape child from Kinzo and Rosa

>>146424525
>NTRing Leviathan
That is not ok.

>>146424544
>rape child Kinzo and Rosa

That would be Maria.

>>146422015
No, Yasu is 19 and Battler is 18.

>>146424544
I have some sort of clairvoyance when it comes to dumb plot points. The moment Kyrie talked about her dead kid I called it that Battler was her kid and there was a swap.

Also my first prediction for murderer was Shannon and after the meta mystery stuff started I changed that to all the staff, because this was exactly the sort of story that would be hypocritical and have "The butler did it" be the big twist.

It annoys me how the story introduces things like Knox's commandments and Van Dines laws as facts and then goes on to break them. Erika is a pretty clear violation of Knox's fifth, which is probably why the story never tells you that one, and it also breaks quite a few Van Dine laws, most notable being "For the love of god don't have the murderer be a servant"

>>146425094
>I have some sort of clairvoyance when it comes to dumb plot points. The moment Kyrie talked about her dead kid I called it that Battler was her kid and there was a swap.
Battler being Kyrie's son was practically confirmed in EP1, mate. It didn't take the slightest bit of precognition.

And Van Dine's laws only came up after it was blatantly clear that Umineko doesn't follow them so they were never intended to bind the story.

Remember when R07 stole his entire plot from Vertigo, Chinatown, and Ten Little Niggers?

>>146425208
>Knox's fifth
nips say the fifth one is murderer cant be chinese,cuz them got martial art

>>146425588
Knox's fifth is left blank in-story because Beatrice violates it from the start. The spirit of the law is that the culprit must not be a mysterious foreigner, and the central mystery is about a mysterious foreigner. But in the end even Knox's fifth isn't broken. Yasu is 3/4ths japanese after all.

>>146425430
Remember when he stole Yasu's backstory from Sleepaway Camp?

>>146384723
I must have some serious trust issues to have not fallen to the Ruse Cruise.
The moment she made Battler close his eyes made it obvious though.

>>146426551
>I must have some serious trust issues to have not fallen to the Ruse Cruise.
I mean Ryukishi laid out the parable of the north wind and sun before Beato started.
I saw it coming a mile away from that context.

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>Lucifer and Asmodeus on gambling adventures