Tales of Zestiria the X

>>145707006
Everything went wrong just because you can see how it all goes right.

Artorius did nothing wrong.

>>145707006
Is this yaoi?

>>145708104
No this is Patrick.

>>145707006
fujoshits

https://youtu.be/jHyhzW4mPvI?t=33

>>145707006
Having to go back to the goody-two-shoes adventures of Sorey and Gayboy

>Want to get Berseria for cute /ss/ adventure
>it's a direct sequel of Zestiria
>shit tons of dlc costumes
Help

>>145708970
>direct sequel to Zestiria

Berseria is like 1000 years before Zestiria.

>>145709398
So can anyone explain the anime because I heard the same.

Does this mean that the anime is showing what is happening 1000 years prior and we'll probably get some time traveling bullshit?

>>145709731
No dumbass it showed the beginning of what made Zestirias age of Chaos so shitty. Slay has to deal with the fallout while cumming in his fuccboi angel.

>>145707006
Two worthless episodes of events that have no bearing 1000 years later are a fucking eyesore. It's not even a "Who's Who?", it's a "Who Cares?" They're so terrified Beseria will sell like shit that they felt obligated to waste time promo'ing it in a show that's only tangentially related to it, which only serves to piss off people already invested in Zestiria's characters and display that the game makers have no faith that their next product will perform as well as Zestiria did. And given we've just endured two episodes of being introduced with characters so lackluster that their names have to be repeated over and over again in order for them to even register in short-term memory, I'd say they're right to be afraid of their future flop.

>>145709934
>which only serves to piss off people already invested in Zestiria's characters

All 3 of you?

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>>145709934
>people already invested in Zestiria's characters

>>145709934
The show was planned even before zestiria bombed

Why did Velvet tell Oscar to tell her name to Artorius if she is going to reach capital ahead of him?

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>>145710598
Played it on PC though.

The game is shit too dw

So how did a cast of 3 manage to actually rekt a dragon, while the entire endgame cast of Zestiria barely managed to do so, with the support of two entire armies ?

>>145710772
Power creep. It's like asking whay Korra can bend all elements when Aang started with just air.

>>145710772
Daemon hand eats everyone and gets super str.

Demonbane, Goku, Uchiha Madara... I'll devour them all!

>>145708179
This. I just want to rest of the episodes to be Berseria.

>>145707006
Artorius happened.

>>145707006
Red days happened

>>145709997
Which actually makes it worse.

>>145710622
Retardation. Too much devouring.

>>145710622
Come to think of it now, people outrunning the party is a thing in Vesperia.
They part with Flynn at Dahngrest and when they arrive in Nordopolica he has already taken over Colosseum.
They chase Cumore out of Heliord and when they arrive in desert he is already settled there.
They escape Yeager's mansion while saving Don and when they are back to Dahngrest Don is already there, prepared for sudoku.
It's like the party are the only ones who can't teleport.

So who's the shepard in Berseria times?

>>145708970
>a direct sequel
>>145709398

Bullshit.
Where are the "Spirits"?
Why is everyone equipped to fight demons, to the point of capturing them for amusement?
Why are they not named Hellions?
There is no Sheppard mentioned at all.

At this point I see no relation.

>>145713216
Wiki says The Sheppard must not influence political relations, so pretty much is the wandering janitor with no name
.

>>145713581
The exorcists can't kill the demons, which were probably renamed in those 1000 years, so they capture them and feed them to Velvet instead, that's why they wanted to recapture her and not kill her. The sheppard is just someone who can kill hellions, he must not have been around yet if they needed Velvet so badly. The exorcists and Seres were spirits, those artes were the magic of the seraphs.

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>>145707006
This CG dragon went wrong

>>145713216
At that time period the Shepherds didn't kill hellions, they're around but they don't kill hell ions. In fact Artorius might be fucking shit up for him.

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>>145707006
>Tales of Zestiria
Shouldn't be tales of berseria now?

I haven't played a Tales game since Symphonia on the gamecube like 15 years ago or some shit.

Let me get this straight. The last 2 episodes were just to promote the upcoming game, and now every episode moving forward will go back to the boring mary sue squad we had for the first few episodes?

Can an anon confirm?

>>145714789
Yeah these two eps was to promote Berseria. Now it's back to the regular cast members of Zestiria.

>>145714886
Do we know if they will come back at some point or is it safe to say that is the last we will see of them? I really don't like the first cast.

>>145714953
Nah I think this is it. I wouldn't be surprised that these two eps was tacked on late into development after the backlash with Zestiria so they can have something to give people hope on buying the new game.

>>145714953
Maybe in the second cour we see them again, but don't count on it.

>>145715008
That begs the question why the fuck they decided to use them as episode 5 and 6.

Episode 1 was a prequel with an entirely different cast to episode 2, 3, and 4, then they changed the cast again (and universe for that matter) for 5 and 6, then change the world and cast back for episode 7.

Whoever's idea this was should be shot. I don't even know any of the characters' names at this point, besides Velvert Crowe because it sounded generic as fuck.

>>145713581
>Where are the "Spirits"?
Where is KFC?
>Why is everyone equipped to fight demons, to the point of capturing them for amusement?
Why is everyone equipped to fight buffalo, to the point of shooting them for amusement?
>Why are they not named Hellions?
Why are people like you called poofs?

Your own country has changed this much in far less then 1000 years and yet you are asking how it could happen in Zestiria setting?

>>145707006
No best girl

>>145708970
>Despite being a distant prequel to Tales of Zestiria, and containing references, the game's story was designed to work on its own. This distant connection was inspired by the developer's wish to emulate the similar distant narrative connection between Tales of Phantasia and Tales of Symphonia

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>>145715050
>I don't even know any of the characters' names at this point
The name is Mazhigigika Miludin do Din Nolurun Dou.

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>>145715563
I'll be sure to remember that, my lady.

My name is Treize Cinqante Khushrenada.

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>>145713581
>Where are the "Spirits"?
Pic
>Why is everyone equipped to fight demons, to the point of capturing them for amusement?
Because it's not everyone? Just the Exorcists.
>Why are they not named Hellions?
Names can change over a long period of time.
>There is no Sheppard mentioned at all.
The Exorcists are probably the precursors.

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>>145709934
>They're so terrified Beseria will sell like shit that they felt obligated to waste time promo'ing it
So like what they did with Zesteria's 40 minute OVA right before its release?

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>>145713122
>It's like the party are the only ones who can't teleport.
I'd watch a parody Anime with this premise

>>145715050
>That begs the question why the fuck they decided to use them as episode 5 and 6.
Because the game is out in three days. Perfect timing for advertisement.

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>>145715882
Then could they come back in season 2? I hope so. I don't know if I can take 2 seasons of these jokers.

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I need more Velvet in my life.

>Velvet Crowe
Which asshole came up with her name? Might as well have called her Raven Knife or Black Dark.

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What went right?

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>>145716320
>Black Dark

>>145716320
>Raven
>not Ebony Dark'ness Dementia Raven Way

>>145716682
Now that is a reference.
cloud8745?

>>145715827
So a Baldur's Gate 2 anime?

>>145710622
Because she knows she's not?

Oscar is a trusted Praetor who doesn't mind Artorious killing little boys and turning psychologically broken village girls into Hellion Trash Compactors, he obviously doesn't have to deal with security checks or anything

>>145707006
Reminder that Velvet did nothing wrong.

>>145716720
I thought it was an OC from a Hairy Potter fanfiction.

>>145714749
There is something wrong with her face.

>>145715973
What about those jokers - 1? ;_;

>>145717476
the jawline

>>145709934
Yeah, who cares about what happens 1000 year later

>>145716260
Then you'd better buy Velvet's Game™, coming this week!

I hope Berseria isn't going to be complete shit. I have no faith in Bamco to do anything correctly ever. The saving grace is that if the game sucks, we'll hear about it from the japs long before it ever reaches the west.

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Even BamCo knows she's a chunni edgelord

>>145717782
I have faith. The demo was fun, a lot of things that were missing like minigames are back, the story I doubt it will be worse than Zestiria and there's no Baba.

>>145717881
Chuunis are fun

>>145717938
Is it enough that it "isn't as bad as Zestiria?"

Baba not being allowed anywhere near it can only be a good thing, but there are so many things wrong with the way Bamco handled Zestiria and its reception. The technical failings can't be directly blamed on Baba, and nor can Bamco's campaign of lies and stupidity, whether about game-breaking bugs or denying three years of marketing.

It's a new director (and I think a new writer?), which means the possibility now exists for the game to be good. I just don't think it's certain.

>>145717451
It is, but it was partly popularized by him doing a dramatic reading of it.

>>145718099
It's the Xillia 2 writer.

>>145718099
>I just don't think it's certain.
Of course it's not certain yet, but for me , Berseria looks like an apology for Zestiria.

We will see in a few days.

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The 2 eps of Berseria was more interesting than all of Zestiria

Ufotable should have made this an full series instead

>>145718099
>he technical failings can't be directly blamed on Baba, and nor can Bamco's campaign of lies and stupidity, whether about game-breaking bugs or denying three years of marketing.
Actually they can, because introducing a new character and forcing them to become a main character when the staff when they're finishing up the game doesn't allow for any time for QC or bug fixing because it forces the staff to become focused on including this new character instead of actually finishing the game.

The marketing wasn't misleading either, Rose simply didn't exist, or if she did it wasn't an MC or even party member. The problem was that everyone knew the truth and Baba instead of owning up to it, attempted to lie and point fingers at everyone else.

This is just a classic case of the producer having too much power, and letting it go their head, and Bamco having no system in place to check their producers, this isn't the first time that it has happened with a Bamco property either. Digimon says hi!

>>145718622
>Ufotable should have made this an full series instead
Do nips even like this series? It was not on the top ten popularity on any of the polls I saw for this season. Seems like a huge bomb for the budget they put into it.

>>145718622
>"Please buy the game!"
>It doesn't look anywhere near as high quality as the anime

Goddammit
Videogames fucking sucks.

>>145718985
With the exception of the last two episodes and episode 1 the series usually tends scores at least 80%.

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>>145716664
Literally everything

>>145718994
It looks about as good as the CGI dragon in the last episode.

>>145719198
Scores? I'm not talking about scores, they don't matter. I mean ratings.

>>145719288
You wish

>>145719304
There's no way to tell right now, to be honest though even if the game wasn't shitty Tales of Zestiria still wouldn't have made it into the top 10.

>>145719419
I thought they would watch anything as long as it was made by meme studio Ufotable.

>>145719509
That's Westerners anon not Nips.

I rewatched the climax a dozen times. Ageless Moon is an awesome song.

>>145719545
>rewatched the climax a dozen times
Do people really do this? Like rewatch certain parts of an episode?

>>145719610
They do, but I guess I chose poor wording. I "relistened" it.

>>145718925
What happened with Digimon?

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>>145719610
What's wrong about that? Not that guy but there's nothing wrong with enjoying a specific part of a show instead of rewatching it all.
I sometimes rewatch All Might vs Nomu in episode 12.
Dat track https://youtu.be/Db7JYiND8lM.

>>145707691
>Is this yaoi?
So what? It will still need to kill.

>>145719610
Why is that such a strange concept to you?

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>>145719610
Of course people do.

>>145720465
My nigga

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>>145718622
Why is Magilou so perflat?
Velvet is cute too when she is not being an edgelord.

Fuck I think I may actually buy all the DLC costumes

>>145710598
Only a faggot shills on any system, but a even bigger faggot would cry because a game came out for a different one as well. so in summary both of you are faggots.

>>145719924
This happened in Digimon several times.

First with Adventure they tried to make multi-media series with videogame and movie tie-ins a la .hack, but the problem is the producers got the bright idea to not have any of the staff meet up, and had a habit of not sharing information between them nor did they ever put a single person in charge of the project. This fucked them over three times; first was the fact that Kakudou the director for Adventure treated the series like his pet project and went a big crazy with his planning, this how we got the Sora, Yamato and Taichi fiasco. It also later on caused the problem when they forced Konaka to include Ryo in Tamers. With Konaka they also forced him to include more Tamers.

The writers pretty much avoided fucking him over though, by making Ken a character for 02 and giving him his own character arc. However they they finished planning out his character arc (and a good portion of the series), the producer had the bright idea to give Ken a foil, and then told the writers that they couldn't develop the character while giving said character a characterization where character development was needed. This resulted in them altering the script to include said character but then limited them in the types stories they could tell and resolutions they could have (hence why 02 has so many dues ex machina conclusions and also why the team is never truly in danger). Then the producer fucked them over even more by hiring two writers and telling both of them to write in vastly different styles, and then split up the characters between them. Then finally the producer throwing out the entire script for the second half of the show because they didn't like it.

Bandai has a problem with producers having too much power. Namco is not Bamco it's a problem has now spilled over onto the Tales franchise.

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>>145718622
>interested

Very interested.

Also, tits.

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>>145717707

You can't even tell the difference between both time periods, they all have the same tech level and aesthetics.

Berseria's only saving grace is Magilou, who was added because the devs noticed that people got baited into buying an equally mediocre game by their dick's raging lust for Fiore in SO5.

is it likely that velvet's the first shepherd? seeing as how she just ate a spirit and obtained her abilities.

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>>145721899
>implying
As wonderful Fiore is, the game still bombed. You can't bait peoples to bad games with girls (you do it with fake trailers and unfinished games)

>>145721929
She's the dark lord.

She needs Muppet's dick to cure her edge.

>>145721929
Shepherds existed long before Velvet, she might not be a shepherd just a person with high spiritual resonance. And during Velvet's time there should either be the first Lord of Calamity or the respected leader who became the second Lord of Calamity.


The exorcists aren't shepherds though.

>>145722075
So in those times, shepherds existed, but the relationship between that of human and seraph was pretty much master and slave?

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>>145722065
Velvet will become the Lord of Calamity. Eleanor and Laphicet will perform the first Kamui and put her down.

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>>145722043
>You can't bait peoples to bad games with girls

People are literally being baited into buying Berseria with Velvet's tits, just read this exact thread.

There's a reason her assets were improved in the anime as well, you simply can't win against raging boners.

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>>145722258
>you cant beat the dick

I bet Velvet also cant beat the dick. No matter how much she tries.

>>145722258
Just because peoples like her in the anime doesn't mean they will buy the game if it's shit
Nip games wouldn't sell so bad if it was so easy

>>145722140
Shepherds duty at that time was to watch over the relationship between humans and seraphim so that they get along, the one who made the seraphim slaves was Artorius. If he isn't the current shepherd then it's likely that he's an hindrance to that time period (should be before the shepherds started to killing hellions).

In other words it's likely that Artorius is the reason why Seraphim don't particularly like humans Zestiria, and Velvet is doing everyone a favor by killing him. Since according to the timeline Artorius may the reason why things went to further shit (the highly respected individual became a hellion).

>>145719509
Only if it's Fate/shit.

>>145722258
She always look the same though. A game having girls with hot designs doesn't mean the game is going to sell well if it plays like shit. The only thing it does is garner attention that it probably wouldn't have gotten if it wasn't for the designs.

>>145722387
She only like tiny dicks though

>>145707006
Griffith did nothing wrong

>>145722602
Who cares what she likes?

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>>145721899

>talking shit about perflat

them's fighting words

>>145719545
>Ageless Moon
It sounded more like "womb" to me.

>yfw Eleanor is Rose's ancestor

>>145724320
It's likely that even if they had the idea, they've likely dropped it to avoid anymore backlash for Rose.

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>>145724320
>>145724546
Rose's face when her Great Great Great x20 Grandmother was gay for a hellion

>>145724546

Not gonna lie, I'd be upset if I was playing Berseria then, all of a sudden, Rose gets mentioned or hinted at to any degree.

>>145725034
They'll likely not do it, since they can't even use Rose for promotional material without pissing people off. They're more likely to use her as Alisha's ancestor since Nips have begun to accept Alisha back as a character ever since her manga came out.

>>145725147

Oh shit is her manga any good?

>>145725204
It's much better than the DLC, and surprisingly Alisha isn't boring in it.

>>145725315

Does Rose still cuck up the spotlight?

>>145725522
Nope, it focuses on Alisha properly. The Alisha manga and the ToZ manga will actually make you dislike the ToZ game, because you get to see where it really fucked up.

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>>145725147
Alisha is gonna be a descendant of the incest siblings.

>>145725742
Even if Alisha becomes a desendant of the incest siblings, they'll still likely just keep Rose involved with the Berseria cast so as to avoid her character tainting them.

>>145725690
>will actually make you dislike the ToZ game
You don't need those to hate the game.

>>145725315
Is Alisha more boring in the game? She's been my favorite character in the Zestiria side of the anime so far. It feels like she's the only one who really cares about anything right now.

>>145727343
She's not wacky, random, or fujobait, so that means she's "boring".

>>145727343
She's not really in the game, they replace her with Rose for being "weak" and then ignore her while the country shits on her all game

>>145727542
She deserves nothing less. Stupid idealistic shounen protagonist.

>>145727343
Yes she is, but then again the game much of any time with her.

The thing about game Alisha is that she's boring because they don't explore the character. Alisha manga basically goes into her development by showing how she got at the end of the game which was less idealistic, but also seeing where she came and from and how she got to believe in the things that she did.

FYI Sorey and Mikleo are also more interesting in the manga.

>>145727627
Rose wasn't any better.

>>145722043
>Neptunia
>Senran

>>145716260
We all do.

>>145727627
But those characters are great in stories where love and friendship don't conquer all and when you can't acquire more power by yelling louder.

>>145730632
In almost every anime I have watched, the stupid idealistic character always turns out to be right. It's always some dumb shit like "all people are equal" or "we can win without fighting / killing". Then all the logical adults tell them they are being foolish and naive. Yet in the end, these dumbasses are always right and that enrages me.

Like fuck off. I want an anime with a stupid idealistic protagonist who thinks like that, only for it to backfire and he and all of his friends die because of it. Now that would be a realistic approach.

>>145728725
I love Neptunia but I'm not gonna lie and say the games aren't mediocre. However Senran Kagura is just plain fun.

>>145730750
In this case though, Alisha doesn't get farther until she learns how to stop being so idealistic. Her story is basically her journey from the Paladin to a politician. So it's like what >>145730632 said.

The story of Zestiria doesn't reward blind idealism, but at the same time also doesn't reward blind reward blind cynicism, which would be okay with characters like Sorey and Alisha since the story means that they lose their idealism but still keep who they are, but it's terrible because it was never allowed it to be explored or rather was dropped.

>>145731169
>Paladin to a politician.
I don't know what kind of a shitty paladin she was meant to be, paladin's were the most realistic and merciless people around.

The best term to describe her would be village idiot.

>>145720990
it was so chinese how sora ended up with matt it was so obvious that she was into tai

>>145723777
what does this webm mean

>>145731294
I meant dungeon and dragons type videogame paladin the ones that are incredibly idealistic.

Seriously when was the last time you played an actual game before or have seen more than one anime.

Seriously Alishahaters are just as bad as Alishafags.

I just watched the episode with the new cast. I was bored out of my mind. Are they going to go back to the actual storyline?

>>145731348
Everyone thought so too, including the original staff, they were shocked about the whole thing. Kakudou (the director who came up with the idea) has zero experience in writing or directing relationships and so didn't realize that he actually needed to have the characters talk to one another before pairing them up.

Sora and Yamato have no chemistry though, and the relationship made her more boring.

>>145731526
>Seriously when was the last time you played an actual game before or have seen more than one anime.
Every game I have played that included paladins have portrayed them as stern, strong individuals that laid down the law with an iron fist and smited everyone who was not of good faith.

What kind of pussy ass games are you playing?

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>>145730750

>>145730750
I hate this too, but Alisha wasn't stupid and eventually realized her own shortcomings. Now, if she had been like Agnes from Bravely Default, I would've been tearing my hair out halfway through the game.

>>145731667
All RPGs both Japanese and western and also tabletop rpgs.

>>145731728
Yeah, the whole thing with Maltran and the council was basically there to force her to acknowledge her own shortcomings and to improve herself.

>>145731801
I play a lot of RPGs too and I cannot remember any that portrayed paladins/templars/holy warriors as idealistic naive manchildren. They are always the brutal and lawful ones.

>>145715114
But so far they seem a lot more related though than Symphonia and Phantasia.

Symphonia's relation to Phantasia only started clicking far into the game, and it was a lot better.

Berseria is looking pretty good though, I just have this bad feeling that the ending is going to be disappointing, as they have to setup how the world works in Zestiria.

>>145731476

Magilou is cute! CUTE!

>>145715563
Is that a poor attempt at welsh?

>>145731948
I tend to find that in mostly historical RPGs or western RPGs, now a days I tend to see harsher Paladins but when I younger I tended to find the ones that were just but stupid.

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>>145723777
>>145719232
>>145716664
>>145715563
Worst Tales character design since the 2D era.

>>145731954
Somehow I think they plan to make more sequels taking place in the same world, since none of the overarching problems in Zestiria or Berseria will be solved. Also the most popular and significant characters in either game are effectively immortal.

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Are tales games even good? I have this shit right here and remember dropping it as a kid. Probably the first game I ever outright dropped too.

>>145732381
That would be weird, considering how no other Tales universe has more than 2 games set in it (well, Phantasia has 3 if you consider Narikiri dungeon), and how Zestiria is one of the worst received entries.

The world has potential though, I have some hope for Berseria, I like the cast a lot more than Zestiria's.

>>145732549
But in those cases those games were never planned to have sequels or any other game that takes place in their own world so they explored as much of it as possible, but in the case of Zestiria and Berseria they've the games a very limited scope, and the knowledge that the real problem hasn't been dealt with.

>>145732466
Well, someone with shit taste like you will probably won't like them.

>>145730750
>"all people are equal" is dumb shit
You could be buddies with Aaaaahtorius.

>>145732245
Nobody could possibly be uglier than Legendia's characters.

>>145732802
So you believe all people are equal, anon? The guy born crippled, gay, and mute is equal to a successful, healthy individual?

>>145709934
THIS.

Seriously, can anyone tell me who gives a flying fuck about this black haired bitch? What happened to the sheppard's story?

Fuck the writers and their bullshit. Anime ruined.

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>>145732898
You have to be some monster to not believe that. That or an old fart.

I wonder where did all these no fun allowed faggots clawled from. /a/ was all over Velvet up to this week and only watched The X in anticipation of these two episodes.

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>>145733543
>clawled
Nice typo.

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>>145733543
Nowhere, it's just 2 fujos assmad no one cares about their shitty queer moralfag.

>>145733543
It's really funny because these were the same people who hated Zestiria and complained about it getting a adaptation, but now they're dicksucking it as if the episodes were far were actually good.

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>>145715563
Is she an Elder god?

>>145732867
Only Legendianon would argue. Even when I saw a trailer years ago, I had trouble figuring out just what I was looking at for their outfits. Especially weird knowing the same guy who did it designed the Samurai Champloo cast.

>>145715563
What the hell is she? She can do magic, which only malak of those contracted to them (like the exorcists) can do. But she's stated to be human. What's going on?

>>145733381
I think you've been taking your shounen anime a bit too seriously to believe that.

>>145733939
She's an elf, don't believe her lies.

>>145723777

>it's the year 2016
>the XXth entry in a big and popular RPG series
>still looks like it was made for PS2

H O W

>>145710598
Yeah, not the fact they actual lied to the people about who the heroine was just so a literal mary sue voiced by Baba's favorite VAs could steal the entire story not just from the Heroine she was replacing but the MC as well.
No it has to be because we didn't spend money on a computer with a graphic's card more expensive than a console and need to justify everything as 'Consolefag crying'

>>145732466
You dropped what is far and away the best game of the series, so I really doubt you'll like any others. I must admit that your taste is so bad I'm not sure if you're a troll though.

>>145734655

>tl;dr muh waifu

>>145733543
People just want something to be mad about.

>>145734655
>but the MC as wel

This shit was next level.

>that entire scene after killing Aizen were Rose completely steals Sorey's lines and role

What the fuck? Did they run out of time to make lines for her and just annexed Sorey's?

>>145733543

It's just Baba samefagging.

>>145728725
>neptunia
>senran
>selling
Pick only one.

>>145733543
>/a/ was all over Velvet up to this week and only watched The X in anticipation of these two episodes.
No the only people who were really anticipating Velvet were the /v/ crossboarders. Everyone else was just curious about her.

Alternatively the reason why people may not like her may be simply because the switch to Berseria was jarring, and they'd not known anything about her before. Hence why this episode also scored so low on the ratings.

>>145734655
1. Rose was added in there last minute the only thing they lied about was Rose was planned from the start.
2.Rose was a completely unnecessary character.

>>145735606
Wasn't Senran at one time the best selling Vita game? I think I remember hearing that somewhere but I could be wrong.

>>145736610
Nah, no way

>>145736130

Rose is Tales' Jar Jar Binks.

>>145736610
>>145736669
Where are the charts?

>>145735129
Like how she uses Alisha's model and animation data?

>>145736763
Well I wasn't sure that's why I was asking. I would sorta believe it though otherwise I don't see how they could afford to hire all those well known and expensive VAs.

>>145737023

I never noticed that. I did noticed Rose has the same idle animations as random NPC's.

>>145736719
Only worse, since her last minute inclusion altered the story where she previously never existed, and they made things worse by making her an MC instead of just a side character which resulted in them needing to fuck up the story, and then because the staff had to waste time on her it left little time to do some much needed QC.

>>145737269
>well known and expensive VAs.
On which end?

>>145737352
Well she was originally an NPC so that makes sense.

>>145735129
Or how jarring and forced her introduction in the story is.

>>145737483
Tittyninjas has an all star cast, mang. I cannot see how they could keep on hiring them unless the series was doing well.

>>145737669
I meant for English vs Jap. I can see it being a hit in Japan because waifu trash and neets who will spend all their savings on a loli daki. Personally, I don't care for it because I don't like the style or the unnaturalness of their breasts.

>>145738200
I had no idea there was an English dub. But yeah I was talking about the Jap cast. Once you get over the MMD quality 3D models it's a pretty fun game though.

>>145721899
>Berseria's only saving grace is Magilou

And a decent protagonist with some potencial, a finished battle system, mini games and no Baba after the massacre that was Zestiria. And considering the preorders, things are looking up, even before the anime. And it's going to sell the same way niche games sell, especially Tales, their audience already knows what to expect.

And even if Berseria does end up being crap, they would have to try very hard to make it worse than Zestiria.

>>145737669
The cast is mostly B and C-listers, though.

>>145738344
>and no Baba

It's amazing how this is the biggest feature for a lot of people.

>>145738344
Is there only a PS4 demo out?

>>145738517
Considering the man wanted pussy so bad he flushed the respect that years of hard work on the franchise bought him straight down the toilet with the mess that was Zestiria, I can't blame anyone who's happy to see him "promoted".

>>145738517
Well he singlehandedly fucked over Zestiria.

>>145738517
Well yeah.

Look how fucking amazing Vesperia was. That game's beta 360 version was better than a majority of the Tales series. That says A LOT.

>>145738575
I believe so.

>>145738344
I still see many comments of people of not wanting to buy the game due Baba possibly still being a influence on it or a wait-and-see attitude. i doubt it's sell will be greater then Zestiria no matter how good it is because of Zestiria ruining a lot of people trust in buying tales game.

>>145709934
Of course they're going to use a new anime as promotion for the next game.

>>145738393
>Yū Kobayashi
>Kaori Mizuhashi
> Eri Kitamura
>Chiwa Saitō
>Kikuko Inoue

Okay I admit there were more B and C listers than I remember but still it has a damn overall solid cast.

>>145734626

>1080p

>>145738866
Who is voiving who?

>>145722258
>>145722387
It's the only reason I've so much as looked at this franchise.

>>145738678

Oh man I just noticed he's only Brand Manager in Vesperia. lol

>>145738934
Yeah, but if the game turns out to be shit you wouldn't buy.. right?

>>145738805
>Baba possibly still being a influence

Even though he was "promoted" to an advisory position, it is possible.

Elevens are sometimes very weird when dealing with some people just out of respect, so even though Baba has zero control over the game, someone might still listen to him.

I just hope he keeps his damn trap shut out of shame.

But I think it's overall unlikely that he had anything to do with this one. A shame Berseria is the one that has to win people back. It is not an enviable task.

>>145739052
Not same anon, but I bought Zestiria fully aware of the Alisha/Rose debacle, still hoping I would get at least a decent Tales game out of it.

And truth be told, when the time came, I didn't really care about it at all. It was the rest of the game that made me regret my decision.

>>145739067
I do know the bug that happens in the trail version in which the characters are pull outside the area in which they can attack their enemies also sour people opinion towards it and also to the choice of whether they should buy it. So a lot of stuff is against it so far. I just hope the full version of the game and story is compelling too people. Otherwise, Tales might possibly be dead with this game.

>>145707006

So are you asking people to shitpost or something here? Is that where you'd like this to go?

>>145739067

I'm surprised it is even connected to Zestiria. I guess they already planned it before the backslash.

>>145739373
>bug that happens in the trail version in which the characters are pull outside the area in which they can attack their enemies

I honestly don't understand what this means.

>>145739501
Considering the game was made in a year and a half, it's likely, but I don't know for sure.

>>145739567
>I honestly don't understand what this means.
The rock bug in the demo. Look at it on youtube.

>>145738678
>>145738805
Nips have actually had a problem with Baba since he made the decision to make that beta 360 version of Vesperia. Since then he's practiced the same thing with every game he's had a hand in. One of the partial reasons why people are so pissed off with him and the whole Rose/Alisha debacle wasn't just the fact that Rose was an unnecessary addition wasn't planned and was a Mary Sue, it was also the fact that they (rightfully) predicted that despite the fact that Baba pushed Alisha aside Bamco were still expecting to sell day one DLC on her. They also predicted that Baba would be too unprofessional to allow his waifu to sit on the sidelines and let someone else take the spotlight for a change and they were right.

The fact that they were right in their predictions actually pissed them off. They also predicted that they would relase a director's cut of Zestiria with Alisha as a permanent party member (they were wrong but if it happened they would have hunted down Baba).

>>145734626
im not the only one who thinks they haven't upped their graphic engine since vesperia right?

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>>145739567
>>145739647
>not fixing bugs between games
WEW

>>145739751

>fujos will defend this

>>145739751
Oh. I played 30 hours of Zesti and never encountered that.

>>145739732
I don't think they've done anything with the Xillia engine, everything looks almost the same 5 years later. Damn shame the nips never got used to the previous generation.

>>145739949
I can't believe they're making a PS3 version when the development of the game started after this generation of consoles.

Not that it'd really help.

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>tfw no Xillia anime

>>145707006
No Rose

>>145741525
Baba please go

>>145707006

seres was their mother. that's from her point of view.

Oh look it's this conversation again for the thousandth time. This shit belongs on /v/if people are going to continue running this shit into the ground.

>>145742290
It would be really twisted if Artorius involved Seres in the sacrifice of her own children. Too damn heartbreaking.

>>145734765

And you have it. Shows over folks unless you really like beating a subject beyond to death. It's been nearly a year since Zestiria came put in Japan and if something that went down there still bothers people this much that they have to Sky Crawlers the crap out of the conversation with it then they have legitimate deep seated problems not this franchise.

>>145707006
I love young Velvet's ahoge. It's a shame she doesn't have it anymore.

I swear I don't think that this board was this bitterly pissed off about absolutely everything even a week ago. You people are going to give yourselves heart attacks over this shit.

>>145742622
It symbolizes her lost innocence and smile.

>>145742622

She would have it on her alt costume right?

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>>145739904
You're implying fujos even play the games. They buy merch anon.

>>145739949
>never encountered that.
It never happened to me since I can't recall being that close to a ledge, but the camera is still trash.

>>145742290
We don't know that if that's really the fact. if she is their mother then why did she let her child get sacrifice for the ritual and allow Velvet to be enslaved for three years. Then, their is also the fact of why didn't Velvet recognized her own mother.

>>145722258

>baited

there is a demo, you know.

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>>145742791
Yes.

>>145742831
>if she is their mother then why did she let her child get sacrifice for the ritual and allow Velvet to be enslaved for three years.
When a human is reborn as a malak/seraph, they usually don't remember their previous life. So, if Seres was indeed their mother, she probably didn't know they were her children when Laphi was sacrificed. On the other hand, witnessing the sacrifice might have made a crack in her mind, eventually making her regain her memories, which might be the reason she eventually decides to betray Artorius and rescue Velvet.

>their is also the fact of why didn't Velvet recognized her own mother.
She wouldn't look the same as she did when she was a human (hair color changes and so on). And she uses a mask too.

Not really claiming she's their mother. But I wouldn't rule it out either.

Why is Farah considered Eternia's heroine instead of Meredy? I mean, Meredy:
>gets the most character development
>is the most plot relevant
>gets the most screentime
>basically, the entire story of the game is about Meredy
Farah's only role is being Reid's childhood friend/love interest.

>>145707006
>worst tales story adapted as an anime
>3d video game adaption
>2016
>wondering why this is shit

Holy shit /a/, I hope you're not this fagot.

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>>145743178
I guess thats where she gets her cowtits from

I know pretty much nothing about Berseria, but these two episodes have gotten me more hyped for a Tales game than I've been since Graces.

>>145743673
Marketing dollars at work.

Not liking it so far. Velvet screams edgy revenge story and being female doesn't make her any less generic in that regard.

For the game itself, the new artes system means the amount of things I can cancel into at any given time is actually more limited than before. Especially for magic users it's fucking butt, because if I want to do x magic at x time in my combo I have to use up slots instead of doing them whenever I feel like, or constantly swap shit around in the menu.

Only thing this seems to do better than Zestiria is fix the camera problem.

>>145745329
Not every revenge storyline is necessarily the same. For instance, Gut's story is basically the opposite of Sasuke's. Yet, both are revenge stories.

All in all, it's still too early to tell what kind of story Berseria will be, so calling it generic now is pretty retarded.

>>145707006
>Little brother's name is Laphi
Well, I guess Laphicet is her brother turned into a Malak then.

>>145747084
I hope they still fuck.

>>145747084
Not necessarily. The malak didn't have a name and Velvet saved him from Oscar's sister, so chances are Velvet named him Laphicet just because he kinda looks like her brother.

>>145747151
Has anyone ever actually canonically fucked in tales?
Other than Asbel with Cheria.

>>145747322
Stahn and Rutee for sure since they have a child.

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>>145747224
>just because he kinda looks like her brother
You mean how they both look like traps?

>>145747366
Oh yeah, them too. Forgot about Destiny 2 and I wish I wasn't reminded of it.

>>145740786
>MC in debt
>have an episode where they don't have enough money for food

That will kill the audience's hunger for suffering.

I'll miss Ceres' wonderful pair of tits

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>>145747084

Hot opinions coming through:

>Artorius and Seres are Velvet and Laphi's parents
>Artorious 'killed' Laphi so he could be reborn as a seraph the same way Mikleo did, and circumvent whatever plot-convenient disease he was suffering from
>Laphi loses his memories when he's reborn as Laphicet because he fucking died
>Seres has Laphi's comb because she's his mother, or she could have taken it from Artorious who might have hanged on to it as a keepsake
>Seres has Velvet's eyes as seen in pic related
>Velvet refers to Artorius as 'nii-san', he could have not disclosed his relationship when he came back to 'save' Laphi
>Did not expect Velvet to go berserk, but at least she didn't turn into a helion because her mom happened to be a seraph
>Imprisons her instead of killing her on the spot out of love/mercy


I get the feeling Artorius left Velvet and Laphi at an early age to find a cure, then came back the goddamned Exorcist.

>>145747992
That sounds plausible but I thought seraphim can't reproduce so wouldn't Seres have to have been a human before too?

>>145747992
Artorius is way too obsessed with muh saving the world at all cost to care about his family, if he had a family.

Really, the only reason he didn't kill Velvet is that she could be useful as a hellion-dumpster.

>>145748271

I mean the exorcists had no problem killing them on their own terms.

>>145748166

Maybe she got seraphim'd b y Artie too? I hadn't heard of seraph not being able to reproduce. Maybe they can pull it off so long as it's with a human.

>>145747224

they both have an obsession with compasses. they are more than likely related.

>enemies won't shut the fuck up
>Velvet throws a brick to their face mid-sentence

God damn. I love her so much.

So we know what kind of seraph Laphicet is? Is he the party healer?

>>145748877
I can't imagine anything other than healer (male).

>She solo's and eats a dragon
So what is the end boss exactly?

It is clearly going to require forming a contract.

Could Velvet become a dragon but avoid purify becoming Maotelus?

I'm assuming Saras will return and become Lailah

>>145748848
Are you looking forward to Berseria? I am. She's a refreshing protagonist, I mean, this is the first protagonist I've actually *liked* in a Tales game since fucking Yuri.

Just another half year.

>>145749133
I like Velvet so far, but I hope she has more interesting interactions with the rest of her party later.

"Not interested" will get really old really fast.

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Why are you guys talking about Velvet? I though this was Tales of Zestiria?

I'm confused, I skipped on the anime because I thought it'd just be a rehash of the game, but with substantially more focus on Alisha.

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>>145749255
Early reviews primarily praise the characters and character development. Most of the criticisms levied against it have to do with a lack of originality in the battle-system, which was pretty much a given with only a year and a half between Zesty and Berseria, along with Berseria's prequel status.

Most Tales games don't receive that praise, so it's pretty much a guarantee that Velvet will develop substantially.

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>>145749316
Because they gave us 2 amazing episodes of this drop dead gorgeous demon

>>145749442
>Most Tales games don't receive that praise

Zestiria did.

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>>145743581

Is Velvet gonna be the first shotacon heroine in a video game? I honestly can't think of any others.

>>145749502
No it didn't. They praised the characters as being charming, not that they developed. Given that they only play the first 10~ hours, they'd be right, since Edna, Mikleo, Lallah, Sorey, and Alisha are the only characters kicking around then.

>>145749543
Is it supposed to be a romantic relationship? I feel like it is, since the trailers seem to be treating Laphicet like a heroine.

I swear, they just took the typical hero and heroine of a good Tales game, then genderbent them both.

>>145749255
>"Not interested" will get really old really fast.
We already know from the CMs that there's a lot more than that. She interacts with her whole party, and she's not as aloof as this episode made her out to be. In this episode she had to deal with Oscar's cultist attitude, Seres' death, and fight a fucking dragon, so her sore mood is understandable.

>>145749693
I don't even think Velvet has a love interest. Her goal is more a vengeance thing and I doubt she is going to get a clean happy ending after her journey is over either.

The shota most likely is just a substitute replacement on the relationship she had with her little brother, to bring out more of a human side to her that she normally wouldn't show to anyone.

The trophies for Berseria are up
https://www.exophase.com/game/tales-of-berseria-psn/trophies/

For the descriptions, it looks like it's gonna be revenge until the end.

>>145749693
>>145749945
Typically dead little brother characters turn out to be brocons if not full blown shotacons. It's highly probable.

>>145749693
Didn't Famitsu praise the story and character development in their eternal effort to prove that their magazine is barely fit to be toilet paper?

> Grown woman has a relationship with a shota in a mainstream videogame.
> Everyone celebrates.

> Grown man has a relationship with a loli in a mainstream videogame.
> PR suicide.

Explain the double-standard.

>>145750146
Nope, they just said the plot was 'epic' and the characters were 'charming'.

Famitsu has long since sold out anyway. They hand out 40s like paper towel if you pay for it.

>>145750089
I don't think so. Its possible she gets revenge halfway through and then you need to fix the world. Thats just how it seems to me

>>145750195
Since when? People love stories about lolis and father figures. Nier, The Walking Dead, The Last of Us, etc.

>>145750259
Not when it's romance.

Velvet has a fucking cool design.

It's totally impractical in every sense though. You'd have to glue it to yourself to not expose yourself by accident.

Besides, why the fuck doesn't she wear something that doesn't have holes all over it after she breaks out?

>>145750195
>>145750296
Are you trying to defend being a pedo?

>>145750362
It's not like covering more skin will protect her from the horrible monsters she fights against, so what's the point?

>>145750296
I can't think of a mainstream /ss/ romance that's celebrated.

Teasing maybe.

>>145750362
She's to poor to aford new clothes. Eizen has dosh, but the refuses to share. Keeps saying it has to do with death or some shit. Fucking malaks are worse than jews.

>>145750569
How do you think he takes care of Edna?

>>145750089
>The Sower of Strife
>Proof of destroying reason and plunging the world into chaos. Your quest still goes on.
I'm going to fucking love this game.

>>145750713
He whores her off, duh.

>>145707006
Nothing, it's great.

>>145750374
>>>/b/
>>>/pol/
>>>/trash/

>>145718622
This. Everyone hated zestiria because it was shit, why not make an anime of something which may possibly be good instead of 100% guaranteed shit?

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>Western release not until March

>>145751444
That's in the worst case scenario.

Never played any of the Tales series. Where should someone start?

>>145751822

Vesperia is best.

>>145751822
Symphonia

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>>145751912
>>145752120
Fight to the death.

>>145751822
>>145751912
>>145752120
Innocence.

>>145750195
>Tales
>mainstream

You're funny.

>>145732466
>dropping symphonia
how shitty can your taste possibly be?

>>145750089
Is that Zavied pictured in A Promise Made?

>>145752908
Stop being a nostalgia baby.

>>145750195
>Grown woman has a relationship with a shota in a mainstream videogame.
> Everyone celebrates.
Final Fantasy XIII Lightning Returns was about a love story between Hope and Lightning and the international versions cut out all instances of the relationship.

Also
>Tales
>mainstream

Glad I'm not waiting for the localized release. These two episodes have made me quite excited for Berseria.

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>>145750089
>Ultimate Stress Relief
>Proof of relaxing to the max in an unusual bath. The relief has washed away all memories of clearing the hidden dungeon.
I swear to god, if it's another still image like in Zestiria.

>>145747992
isnt artourius like 30 or something

>>145754378
He's 32.

>>145715563
Isn't that the Japanese version of wizard gibberish like Abra Kadabra, Alakazem or Expellimarius?

>>145749693
>since the trailers seem to be treating Laphicet like a heroine.

I thought that was her brother who had become a "spirit" and hadn't really? So they are different characters?

>>145754611
The game isn't out yet. No one knows if Laphicet the malak is Laphi the little brother reborn. It could be, but no one knows right now, and if someone tells you they know, they're lying to you.

>Proof of knowing your sin and its price. There is no escape now.
is there going to be incest?

>>145749911
>The Transgressor's Chains
>Proof of knowing your sin and its price. There is no escape now.

>The Sower of Strife
>Proof of destroying reason and plunging the world into chaos. Your quest still goes on.

>The Lindwurm Turns
>Defeat the dire foe, Lindwurm. Did you ever think that maybe you're the real dire foe?

Jesus these trophy descriptions are Spec Ops as FUCK

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>>145754739
They probably aren't the same person.
"Velvet's little brother's" seiyuu is listed as Kugimiya Rie while Laphicet's seiyuu is Asakura Azumi.

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Im not a shipfag but i really like the idea of velvet and rokurou together they just seem like they click

>>145756204
Well, even if they were the same person, they wouldn't use the same VA. That would make it way too obvious.

Anyway, the game will be released in two days. We'll know for sure then.

>>145756393
Not saying they're definitely not the same person, but it wouldn't make any sense to use different VAs unless you had a VA for the child version and a different VA for the adult version, but in this case they're both children voiced by girls.

>>145755851
Wow, what the fuck happens in this game?

Kaze no Uta or Burn?

Pick your poison, lads. I liked Kaze no Uta more than Burn

>>145756546
You're taste is shit. Burn is the superior choice.

>Game doesn't have model swap costumes so you can change Edna to Symonne like having Agria and Presa in Xillia 2.
Fack.

>>145756546
Burn

>>145756546
Can I pick the insert song?

>Proof of learning the true story. In spite of this—No, because of this, you must go on.
Dont tell me theres going to be a twist
>Proof of destroying reason and plunging the world into chaos. Your quest still goes on.
Why do i feel like velvet is going to fuck up the world and realize that what shes doing is wrong halfway through?

>>145756697
>Why do i feel like velvet is going to fuck up the world and realize that what shes doing is wrong halfway through?
They did that with Abyss already I thought.

>>145756690
No

>>145756697
>Why do i feel like velvet is going to fuck up the world
Maybe. It kinda feels like a ruse though, being this obvious and all.

>and realize that what shes doing is wrong halfway through?
Haven't you watched the trailers? She already knows what she's doing isn't necessarily right. She doesn't care, and that isn't gonna change because it would mess up the fucking main theme of the game.

>>145756697
What if she goes through with her entire revenge quest and the second half of the game is dealing with the consequences?

>>145756697
>Dont tell me theres going to be a twist
It's a fucking Tales game. There is always at least one plot shattering twist, except for Zestiria. That one had just one little predictable twist for some reason.

>>145756546
I like Kaze no Uta better.

>>145756942
That seems more likely. Velvet isn't gonna back down on her revenge. Even the trophies are clear about that. But I could see her trying to fix whatever she breaks by killing Artorius.

>>145756950
im sorry what was the twist again?

What if she kills artouris and it revealed that he was actually doing something good or there was master mind behind him doing all of this?

>>145757043
The Shepherd did it.
That was the twist.
Wow, so fucking incredible right? Especially when your previous entries into the series have: a world of miasma under the earth's crust, other planets you visit despite being in a medieval time period, a giant space cthulhu has been squeezing your planet for eons but someone put up a massive illusion spell so nobody would shit themselves in fear eternally, the little girl is your alternate reality daughter and you killed all your friends in a savage world ending tantrum, and so on.

>>145757121
I dunno, not Tales-like enough.
More like she kills Artorius, but it turns out the planet is one gigantic hellion that needs a sacrifice every now and then to purify it and become a seraph and Artorius was planning on being that man and now Velvet has to bring the new little boy to the throne of Artorius where Sorey will sleep for 700 years many years later and have him do the same thing.

>>145757121
>it revealed that he was actually doing something good
Please, anon. Even the anime already revealed that he's saving the world. I'd like to think that can be considered "something good".

That problem isn't his goal. The problem is his methods. He's fucking sociopath willing to sacrifice little kids and slave an entire race of intelligent beings to accomplish his goal.

>>145757232
>the planet is one gigantic hellion that needs a sacrifice every now and then
>not fucking the hell out of the gigantic hellion asshole
Do you even Velvet?

>>145757254
i dunno his assistant seems really fishy though

>>145757123

Could you kindly drop some names? I am mostly interested in the space cthulhu one.

you guys are going to be disappointed.

velvet likes demon guy and laphi ends up with the exorcist girl.

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>>145757553
Space cthulhu is the adephagos.
Tales of Vesperia, pic related.

The Miasma beneath the crust is tales of the abyss.
The second planet (you live on the moon actually) is Tales of Graces f
The little girl spoiler is from Xillia 2.