Uh why the fuck is the show prison break
Why is this bitch so edgy?
I was impressed with how Velvet deduced almost instantly that since she was on a Prison Island, the boats were probably pulled away from it
During Impel Down Luffy had to actually see the boats disappear to cause a riot
What he said.
Fujos have created the worst Tales to date.
>implying the games still wont pander
It's like you've played with /pol/ goggles
Pick another series. Ristelle will reign s/u/preme. Everything else needs max shipping vision.
And they mostly pander to the Luke and Guyfags in the extra material, ditto for Yuri and Flynn (you don't even need to look for this one it's right in the official book), or just about any other male Tales character really, anyone who didn't know it seriously doesn't know anything about Tales.
Fujo pandering in Tales is nothing new, the only difference about Sorey and Mikleo is that they're more blatant with it, especially since they know that Nips have generally accepted it. Then again Nips don't think of Sorey and Mikleo as BL even though they do think that they're together.
Probably because they plan to make the stories connect in some way. Also, the Zestiria anime itself wouldn't even exist if they weren't using it to promote Berseria. Zestiria on its own is worthless to Bamco right now.
>No one wanted to watch the homoerotic adventures of a manchild
That's exactly what anyone with taste is watching this series for.
>almost killed the series and got Baba promoted for this filth
They're right, the BL was the only thing that kept it afloat, and it's the only reason to watch the anime or play the game. If you're watching this for any other reason you've got problems.
Baba was actually got in trouble for waifufagging and getting caught, since he forced in a character last minute to appease to his waifu instead of giving the team time to to do some much needed QC. The homos are actually the only thing that people like about Zestiria.
If we're going to be honest it was waifufagging that nearly destroyed the franchise.
Go away, I still have another week of pretending I'm not watching a Zestiria anime.
You'll get your regularly scheduled homoshit back soon enough, so let me enjoy this in the moment.
It's generally accepted even amongst the Nips that they were homo in the game itself. The only ones who really claim differently are Westerners.
This reminds me of Lightning and Hope all over again.
There are official quotes from Baba, the scriptwriter, official descriptions in the guidebook, interviews with their voice actors, that support Sorey and Mikleo valuing eachother more than anyone else in the game.
Meanwhile you have them specifically denounce any romance between Sorey and a female. It's not rocket science. Even nips refer to Zestiria as 'that one Tales with the male heroine'.
>Even nips refer to Zestiria as 'that one Tales with the male heroine'.
That's also pretty much how he's treated by the Tales franchise at large, and the idea behind his character.
Suffering and bullying comes first.
>proving them right
Heterosexuality is a mental illness.
Actually in the good old days fags ruled the entire civilized world.
Please do not lewd Sorey and Mikleo. They are in a pure, chaste marriage without sexual contact.
Not right now. Currently it's /ss/ and cold, relentless, rage.
Baba's "promotion" was a "thanks for the years of work you put in but don't fucking touch a future project" type of thing.
Will Berseria have a I WHO DWELL IN THE ABOUNDING LIGHT OF HEAVEN?
Baba was "promoted" in the sense that, he got a puppet promotion just so he wouldn't look stupid to the public.
And it actually shows in Berseria. Not one stupid controversy around it at all. Also the new producer gives straight out answers about the game unlike him.
Now if only Sakuraba skipped composing for Tales.
People thought that it was Velvet who was like that, but when you actually see her skits and stuff, she jokes around and smiles a lot.
It's just when it comes to Artorius that she becomes mad.
Meant to quote >>145422967
Sakuraba is not fine for now really man. He should skip one Tales game at least to rest.
All the best songs that came from the series actually came from guest composers.
So I'm curious
Is Tales of Zestiria the X just a retelling of Tales of Zestiria except in a way that isn't awkward and shit like the game? It seems like the anime itself is a way to make up for the quality of the game. The opening/ending already implies a lot, like Alisha staying in the party and Dezel and Zaveid broing it up.
It's the least they could do for her since she will be forever alone
Ok I just watched the Velvet episode.
You fucks are liars. I thought she really was edgy as fuck.
It turns out that although she is mad, she isn't like "fuck everything, fuck you, fuck the world." type of shit you people have been spouting about her.
She actually thinks. She also has tempered anger, enough for her to remember her revenge, she also does not hesitate to ask for help when needed as evidenced in the episode. She knows when she's outnumbered and tries to find other ways to get out.
Jesus Christ you people really did just based everything on her clothing huh.
>You fucks are liars
You're kind of the idiot here for thinking anybody on this website had any idea what her personality would be like. Like any Tales character, it was obvious from the beginning there was more to her other than her MUH REVENGE attitude.
Can you point out the parts where she just keeps shouting or going angry the whole time? I checked the episode and there was only around at most 3 minutes of her being angry.
I can't seem to find the remaining 16 minutes though.
So, do I really need to watch the past episodes before watching the Berseria arc? I cannot fucking care for the Zesty cast
Wait why is Velvet in this anime?
Is this Anime OC?
I haven't beat Zestiria yet. Should I avoid this until I finish the game or is it safe to jump right to it while playing the game from time to time?
It's nothing that's not in the Berseria trailers so far, and ufotable isn't doing a particularly awful job at it. I like it.
I hope it'll stay that way, since we're sadly not seeing Berseria in non-runic form before 2017.
Fujos have been spamming en masse and Bears is getting art at a snails pace in comparison to the sheer number of Milkeo and Sorey. Not to mention the video anon linked earlier. This is a fight you will not win.
Even if Hime is looking like a hooker in this picture, she is my waifu.
So, is she the female Guts everyone is talking about?
I wonder what the fuzz about her is about...
No she isn't. Needs to lose an eye and get raped at least once to even compete.
There's something about this poor girl that makes me want to both protect and bully her.
>Nips don't think of Sorey and Mikleo as BL even though they do think that they're together
How can they not think of two boys loving each other as Boys Love? Also fujos will always think two guys are together.
>Jesus Christ you people really did just based everything on her clothing huh.
Where do you think this started and where do you think the people who perpetuate the edgy meme come from? Hint: it starts with /
he is right
you are the retard
They've been more or less the same length. I think they were a bit shorter in Xillia and thank fuck for that since they were shit. Zestiria had the issue of having only handful of human/seraph bosses so there was a general lack of mystic artes, though.
I am saying that the retard saying that the other guy is the retard is the real retard.
Edgelady > Dumbassbitch faggot
Let's post edge and tits.
Fuck off fujos.
I doubt there was a shopping mall somewhere in this prison.
Her outfit is logical when you think about it.
She gets it from the room where the exorcists store the items that belonged to the imprisoned daemons. The person who owned it must've torn it off when they turned into a daemon.
Her character design and personality are great though, memester.
Here is your (you) anways. You may just reply to me with some variant on the buzzword "edgy" and call it a day.
Her design reminds me of Vampirella
Sorry, sometimes I mix their names
Their designs are the exact same, but different colors. Inomata is a hack and should never be allowed to touch mainline games. Fujishima is by far the best artist they have. Literally every iconic character from the series he's created.
Er, how so?
Thrown in prison because some asshole slaughtered her village and gave her Malevolence AIDS, she wants revenge on him
Is that really such a weird personality?
What would a Sasuke/Velvet spawn look like? Would He/She be capable of an edge...(THE edge....?) - ...the likes of which capable of rendering asunder the Earth in absolute twain?
>Their designs are the exact same, but different colors. Inomata is a hack and should never be allowed to touch mainline games.
They literally said they based Velvet on Milla because of her popularity.
I just want my minimalist designs, comfy medieval towns and simple plots again.
>/a/ thinks Sorey and Mikleo are gay
>missed Mikleo obviously falling for Lailah
>Inomata is a hack and should never be allowed to touch mainline games
You just fuck off right now nigger
That's not how fujos work. The non fujo tales player minority in Japan will ship her with the shota, the fujos will use her as a self-insert and ship her with the two pretty boys when they're not drawing them making out.
No anon. It looks really bad. I don't care if she's bare chested. The ripped up clothes look not good. Inomata is trash but at least Milla and alt. Milla have good outfits. Judith has a good design even. Sheena is my favorite female design and I even got Valentine's alt colors for it. But not Velvet.
Bisexual master race.
Look at all that beautiful PLOT. I love it. I could really immerse myself in it.
>and genuinely believe it too.
This is why
Velvet is goddamn cute.
It's a win in my book
I'm still slightly disappointed by the reused cameo costumes
I also kinda don't like Eizen with Hubert's costume
But it's something different so I welcome
Nobody actually knew anything about her character cause the games not even out yet. 4chan just likes to speculate but says shit as if it was the god given uncontested truth instead of just "That outfit makes her look like she's going to be an edgy bitch".
I think Eizen and black face will be the only two I keep in default. I really hate a cast that looks so mismatch but I'll definitely have V dressed as Rutee with the short hair included.
I really don't get the hype about Velvet when the other girls look waaaaay more interesting. Aside from the gold eyes, she's nothing special and she doesn't even have something about her body that makes her stand out. And she's far from Sheena or Tear level bazongas.
Or is this the audience that screams waifu over a flavor of the week girl?
There is literally nothing wrong with Colette. She's just the free hand out love interest in case you didn't feel like bothering with someone else.
Because to the Nips it's not pandering. Unlike the other BL pairings Mikleo was created to be paired with Sorey. Mikleo also acts like a female love interest, has the personality of one, as well as that position in the story. In other words it's not BL because it's canon.
>all Abyss are bad
>Who is Guy
>Who is Tear
Pre forced romance
Ponytail>short and styled>braid>straight down>drill curls
Because it conjures of the image of a best girl
>best old character of tales of to date
That's Rowen though.
Compared to other Tales girls, I honestly don't see her as anything special. She's thankfully more forward and not a stuttering Japanese maiden, but I honestly find her boring. Not saying she isn't hot, but when I look at her I feel nothing where as book belt and Elanor are more eye catching.
This game was made before everything was or could be sexed up because the characters are all basically blocky shaped models. Even Shiina doesn't look quite right but now they can have virtually any kind of anime design from tall lanky busty bitch like Velvet to little Shota like Lephicet. You wouldn't even be able to do half theit character model poses in the Symphonia engine
/v/ made that? Sory, i never really went to /v/ before.
the dude from G-gundam didn't even seem edgy but then again its been a while since i saw it. Also why the fuck is a basketball player in that list
Fuck you I own the game and still think she's best girl. You're just a doo-doo head!
>skiddiks: holy shit shit belbet is like the best protagonist
Commie translated her as Belbet. Eat this, I have been telling you since day 1 this was the correct spelling, but you never believed me.
>double the Okumura Rokurou
>Magilou fucks like a tiger
Oh yeah, that's the stuff.
>Rutee costume again
Velvet should've gotten a Milla costume. Preferably her Xillia 1 costume as her Xillia 2 one is already in Zestiria.
>Natalia costume again
Anyone that know moon? I have no idea if these are crossover or originals.
So what he's gonna die and get replaced by his brother, a Dezel and Zavied 2.0.
They have the same character designer. Looks like he samefaces hard.
Also, there's a glimpse of his 3D model in the latest trailer and it really looks like they reused Sergei's model.
Is there a list of who designed who? Fujishima does a good job of making everyone really distinct. Inomata can't design clothes but she still can make really different looking characters.
Alisha has no ass or tits, I'm not sure what fags are seeing but then again they are projecting through fanart.
Rose atleast has an ass to detract from that weird looking face. Lailah has great legs and a healthy set of tits atleast.
Probably the worst bikini in game history.
I mean the entire design with the hair, the flower those pants, the (what is that even) jacket and the animal looks retarded and not fitting the character at all.
Considering her chracter it should have been a simply one colored black or white bikini or one piece or something with belts and zippers.
Thanks. Honestly thought Inomata did Magi but then again she isn't wearing pastel vomit or heavy, solid colors.
I don't see much sameface aside from Sergei really. Just a trend of blonde hair/blue or green eyes. Looks great but I feel a heavy imbalance compared to the other games where you had black, red, white, blue, ect.
Remember there are clothes and armor there aswell.
Subtract that and she is left with nothing.
This men speaks the truth.
Do not get the autist part watched some skits, some lets play and all the after battle character interactions and nothing seemed autistic about her.
She was only a bit creeped out about voices in her head without anybody nearby.
But sure we could have had the cliched princess, or reincarnation of some royal lineage, hidden princess, reincarnated goddess or what ever FMC in Zestiria, but apparently we did not.
If you say that Alisha has no ass then you're also saying that Rose has no ass, because they have the same model.
Also proper armor doesn't accentuate one's assets.
I stated my sources did I not.
Also read the stuff from the thread yesterday and that timeline of events stuff that happend with Zestiria.
Still do not see the problem with Rose.
Neither did she seems insane nor autistic, also she is not another one of those princess girls.
>Also read the stuff from the thread yesterday and that timeline of events stuff that happend with Zestiria
So you already know everything about Rose and from some synopsis posted in threads? Damn.
But you didn't see the whole game. In the game there are a few skits where Rose shows that she doesn't really understand the concept of empathy. For instance after Sorey and Mikleo find out the truth about their past they're rightfully bummed out, in comes in Rose who can't for the life of her really understand why or feel empathy for it, she also admits that it's a common thing for her, Sorey and Mikleo are then forced to apologize to her.
Then there's her whole pure assassin bullshit, which even the game later on points out is in fact bullshit. The only reason why she hasn't become a hellion not because she's pure, but because she genuinely believes that all her actions are correct. Even if she's killed innocent people before (which is actually a guranteed considering how she was willing to kill Sorey for her perceived belief). The only other character in the game with her personality is a literal serial killer.
What's the point of this show anyway if they can't address the biggest plot hole if the story which is rose?
She's a fucking demi God in disguise to serve Baba's love for her voice actress. She is praised in everything that she does. She's a fucking psychopath.
Oh look at her killing. That's ok, good job rose!
I can kill because I believe I am right. Oh Rose, you're so good.
Then later in the game it was called out after all as bullshit.
But noooo it's one because it's Rose.
Yep, released in the Zestiria guidebook aka one of the reasons why Nips are so pissed off with the game.
>Ancient Era (Fortune of Phantasia) - The era in which the world was created. A legend has been handed down that humans and seraphim coexisted at this time, however the details are unknown.
>Destiny Dawn - 3000 years ago - The advent of the Five Great Lords and their Sub Lords. Due to the intense movement of the earth’s crust, it’s possible that the old and new worlds collided. The appearance of the first dragon took place during this era. // It is said that many people could perceive seraphim at this time. Legends remain of an exile from the seraphim and the first Shepherd’s paradise.
>Temperance of Avarost - 2300 years ago - The Five Great Lords caused a powerful impact, and the Kingdom of Divine Right, which was based in its faith in seraphim, prospered. Avarost culture, which used seraphic artes, then flourished. // With the color white and prevailing central themes, natural objects and man-made objects harmonized and their style flourished. The influence of seraphim showed heavily, and to show their attributes, patterns and decorations were engraved. Their technical capabilities were high, and they used seraphic artes to create buildings. Currently, the lore of this utopia remains in fragments.
>Era of Disappearance - 2000 years ago - The seraphim stopped appearing before humans, and the power of their divine protection weakened. The humans began quarreling amongst themselves, and plunged themselves into an age of war. // The influence of Avarost has nearly been completely lost. The level of the continent’s culture has lowered tremendously.
>Pax Meliodas - 1800 years ago - King Meliodas united the continent, and ended the age of war. Afterwards, the Meliodas dynasty governed the land for 200 years. // Without borrowing the powers of the seraphim, civilization was slowly being reconstructed. The culture of humans was being formed. It should be noted that King Meliodas, who unified the continent, was the Lord of Calamity at this time.
>Dark Period - 1350 years ago - Invasions from other continents are considered to have happened, but they have been erased from records, and so the details are unknown. // In various places, ruins of different styles remain, as though they are from the eras before and after this, so this supports the claim that other continents invaded and dominated. There still remains many buildings from this time period.
>Release of Glenwood - 1300 years ago - The Asgardian royal family’s King Claudin reunified the continent, and departed from the domination of other continents. This brought about the end of the dark era. // The culture from the influx of other countries from the previous era and traditional culture mixed, giving birth to the “Asgard Initial Culture”. While the cause is unknown, seraphim culture was slightly reconstructed, and advanced technology of older eras was used. It should be noted that King Claudin was the Shepherd at the time.
>Era of Asgard (Initial) - 1100 years ago - After the death of King Claudin, the Asgardian royal family divided, and contested for leadership. Hyland Kingdom (which also collapsed during this era) and Lohgrin Kingdom, among others, were established. Amongst the warring, human culture and civilization made huge developments. // The Asgard Initial Culture developed and spread to various places. This culture was overall gorgeous and strong: sculptures in excess, motifs centered around flora and fauna, and easy-going and free composition were joined together to create this culture’s characteristics. Also, due to war, the number of hellions increased, and the basis for strange lore, which was passed down to future generations, was born in this age. It is said we were able to get through the disasters that spanned both sides of its history due to the efforts of this era’s Shepherds.
>Asgard Unification Period (Graceful Asgard) - 1000 years ago - The Asgardian royal family unified the continent. Peace continued for about 100 years. Following that, large-scale movement of the earth’s crust began, and the dispute between the Lord of Calamity and the Shepherd broke out. The continent’s calendar was revised, and the Glenwood calendar’s first year began. // Gradually, the impact of the other continents’ cultures faded, and buildings that were more practically built, with simpler designs, emerged. Gunpowder and ocean navigation were invented, and technology developed to be better than the present day’s. It should be noted that the invincible general Dindrane, who’s name won fame during the unification war, was a hellion.
>Era of Asgard (period of prosperity) - 600 years ago - Fierce changes in the earth’s crust and chaos assaulted the entire continent. A descendant of the Asgardian royal family, the Dragonia house’s Earl Pen Dragonia, rose, and captured the land which would later be Pendrago. He became the Rolance Empire’s founder. // The chaos that took place prompted the people’s activity and cultural exchange, and their economy and culture made leaps in development. At the heart of the Rolance region, Asgard’s period of prosperity’s culture flourished. Designs changed to be simple and geometric, and animals and humans were symbolically drawn. The building technology improved from that of the initial Era of Asgard, and many things became obsolete. A lot of culture and lore was lost, and it was an era of rebuilding.
>Era of Maotelus - The people’s faith in Maotelus, of the Five Great Lords, strengthened, and through its divine protection, peace was kept. Due to northern nomads coming down south, the Lohgrin Kingdom saw its downfall. For the purpose of conciliation, Rolance gave the king of the nomads territory and the position of duke, and the northern power, the Suraga Duchy, was established. The Hyland royal family was revived, and after Ladylake was created as the capital, the Hyland Kingdom was established. // This is the era that created the foundation for present day. The Asgard period of prosperity’s impact continued to remain in various places, though development was made towards originality. Mainly, natural motifs, curved lines, and elegance made up Hyland’s style, while rationality and practicality made up the style of Rolance. In addition, there were small-scale calamities in various places, however they were quelled by the Shepherd.
>Death Age - 200 years ago - The entire continent was hit with an abnormal plague, and the population was halved. The few Shepherds remaining disappeared from the public’s eye. Following this, the continent went into a state of seclusion and ceased exchange with other continents. // It is theorized that Maotelus’ divine protection was interrupted by the Lord of Calamity. Shipbuilding and ocean voyage technology was started, however important information was lost. The reason is unknown.
>Era of the Three Countries - decades ago - The Hyland Kingdom, the Rolance Empire, and the northern power divided the continent in three and warred for dominance. The Church of Seraphim divided the churches of Hyland and Rolance. // The Shepherd Michael secluded himself at the latter end of his journey. He founded Camlann, and wrote and published the Celestial Record. Within the Rolance Empire, General Heldalf, who would become the Lord of Calamity, flourished. Also, a renaissance movement occurred within Marlind.
Many people with upringing that had some form of violence in it have tendencies to feel empathy, this does not outright make you psycho.
Rather her comprehending that she got that problem points to the opposite.
Considering your second part.
This also seems biased. It sounds like you got firm believes of what is black and white.
But good and evil, malevolent intent and what not are actually personal and socialy contructed things.
If her belive is so hardcore that what she does is for a greater good, there is no evil intent in the action.
This is basically killing for and believing in a greater good as an end result.
We have seen several characters in fiction with such beliefs.
We also often use a common question for those scenarios.
>If you got the possibility to go back in time and kill baby Hitler or his parents before they met, would you do it? Would you kill a still innocent baby or young men and women.
What you are saying is that despite the knowledge of the events that will unfold and all the innocent lives lost because of those, killing any of them is inherently an evil action.
>Age of Chaos - Abnormal weather, a plague, and other mysterious phenomenon swept the continent and Glenwood was hit with disaster. To the north, there was volcanic eruption. At the closing of the Rolance Empire and the northern power’s cease-fire treaty, the northern power retreated north. // The village of beginning, Camlann, was caught between the Rolance and Hyland armies, and saw its downfall. When that happened,within the malevolence-filled Camlann, Maotelus turned into a hellion, and the curtain opened upon the Age of Calamity. Furthermore, Heldalf became the Lord of Calamity due to the Shepherd Michael’s curse.
>Unknown Era - Present Time - The armies of both Hyland and Rolance broke out into a war, colliding across all of Glaivend. However, when a dragon appeared on the battlefield, both armies cooperated to take it out (for this reason, it is known as the Battle of the Dragon). This became a chance for both countries to move towards entering into a peace treaty. The Shepherd Sorey defeats the Lord of Calamity, and together with Maotelus, begins purifying the land.
Zestiria has a lot of world building and characterization that it just never thought to fit into the world, it's pretty much the opposite of Abyss.
Glorious history! What a waste.
I dont know, but she made my dick hard and i had jerked off twice already that day. I wasnt really into the new game, because of all the "female protagonist" shit, and the shit that comes with it. But now im really hyped for it.
>>Death Age - 200 years ago - The entire continent was hit with an abnormal plague, and the population was halved. The few Shepherds remaining disappeared from the public’s eye. Following this, the continent went into a state of seclusion and ceased exchange with other continents. // It is theorized that Maotelus’ divine protection was interrupted by the Lord of Calamity. Shipbuilding and ocean voyage technology was started, however important information was lost. The reason is unknown.
Is this Berseria's setting?
It's really so funny seeing people who just read skits and such think they are already masters of a character that people are calling out as a plot hole in the world that the character is.
It would have been fine if the game's story didn't call Rose's shit out. But it did, and blatantly too. But since Rose is Hideo Baba, the producer's love call to the VA he was trying to court, Rose got a pass against all plot holes and propped her as a Saint.
The game called her bullshit out, but it's ok, because it's Rose. What a great story. I'm so happy Baba's out of Berseria now. That cunt literally almost destroyed the whole Tales franchise over a girl. Who didn't even like him.
Generally speaking having violent tendencies and lacking the ability to feel empathy, is the mark of a sociopath. Being violent is not about feeling rage, in fact just because you can feel rage which about one's own emotion it doesn't mean that you have empathy. Empathy isn't about one's own feelings but rather their ability to identify with the feelings of others.
Anon, it's outright stated, there's no room for debate here. The game itself outright says that she's only "pure" because she believes what she's doing is right, keep in mind that he isn't doing the right thing. I'm not saying that there is a black and white here, Rose is just a sociopath, who can't even use self introspection. We can't argue that she's like Yuri, because Yuri acted with the complete knowledge that the people he killed were evil. Rose just plays guessing games, and as seen from the game she can guess wrong.
It is by a far margin the most common one.
You have to help me here.
Is this supposed to be taken serious, ironic, sarcastic?
English is not my first language and as said I did not play the game yet.
I plan to borrow it from a friend once we get time to met again.
But currently he is occupied with doing 12h shifts as security for refugee homes.
I really want Xillia to get animated.
They made her look pretty stupid in episode three with that added assassination attempt.
My priorily mentioned friend seemed to not have such problems with it when I spoke with him about this.
Feels like you barely read what I wrote.
Also you make light of what a sociopath is.
And I assure you I know what empathy is.
But a very common sociopathic tendency is to actually torture a victim and watching as it painfully dies.
This is speculated to be an attempt to grasp the emotions the victim is feeling without actually being able to do so.
Sofar from everything I know Rose does not do that.
From what is mentioned she even comprehends that she has trouble understanding others.
To quote you
>she believes what she's doing is right
Good and evil is essentialy this, as I already said.
Our entire standards of moral and the like are social and personal constructs.
What she does might be evil to some, but good to others or herself.
There is no universal law that decides this.
If she believes what she does is right it lacks a malevolent intent as such I can comprehend her not turning into a helion.
Hell this even makes sense in regards to Berseria and Velvet if you spare a thought to it.
Some theorize that Velvet will be the first helion.
Velvet knows what she is doing and wants to do, many in the world will think of it as evil.
The thing that differs between her and Rose is that she herself even believes that it is or might be evil from what we saw in the Zestiria anime.
We even got a glimpse of malevolence emmiting from her that the Seraphim women picked up.
I hope they give her some capacity to self-reflect. That's the most infuriating thing, she doesn't hold herself up to her own childish belief system. Her character is basically prevented from feeling remorse or examining consequences because of zealotry. What if she really had killed Alisha after being obviously duped into it and thousands of innocent lives were lost in the ensuing war directly due to her actions? She can't question herself, so she can't learn either. The only way for the story to work as written is for her to be a childish psychopath hypocrite.
Anon we've already established and don't even know what you're talking about.
I read what you posted, but the problem with it and you're post now is that you don't know the first thing about what you're talking about.
First you say that to feel violent you have to have empathy which is untrue. In fact in saying that you showed that it was you who doesn't understand what empathy means since you don't even know the basic definition of it or sociopathy. Seriously the only person making light of anything is you, since you don't even know the proper definition or even most common basic quality of the thing you're describing.
The rest of everything you're posting is bullshit, you're nitpicking my post for things to reply to attempt to hide the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.
You're seriously funny.
Morals exist because human consciousness exists.
As thus moral is a contruct of the mind, personal believes and the following society.
This is proven alone by the fact that we to this day got varying moral believes around the world and that even in the same place those changed several times over time.
There is no inherent god and evil.
This is not DnD with somekind of superior authority applying good, evil, neutral, lawfull, chaotic even on gods.
You simply sound like an angry christian that claims that morals come from good and that they are set in stone and anyone with different believes or values is unmoral.
Since you seem to lack comprehension of such simply things I doubt any discussion with you will be of value.
>it is hard to win an argument with a clever/smart man, but impossible to win against a stupid one
You have an extremely tenuous grasp of the English language and you're trying to argue semantics. Sociopathy is a very broad categorization. Furthermore, people aren't saying they don't understand why Rose doesn't turn into a Hellion, they're saying the mechanism is stupid because they understand its implications.
Toriyama actually acknowledged that Lighting was childish, and then paired her off with the shouta, and also allowed his waifu to become a secondary character, who do you is the bigger waifufag?
If she killed Alisha right then and there either one of two things would have happened, either Alisha would have become a martyr, and it would have torn the country in half, or they would have gone to war, and caused more malevolence and death. Either way the ensuing blood shed would have been on Rose's hands.
Morals being a social construct doesn't mean they don't exist, it means they exist as a social construct. Just because some fucked up people think it's proper and righteous to indiscriminately murder doesn't mean I can't call them evil based on my system of values and beliefs. My morals still exist, a society's morals still exist, being constructed and shiftable doesn't make them any less tangible.
>First you say that to feel violent you have to have empathy which is untrue
Since this entire sentence is pretty much bullshit and claims something that I did not say or that you seem to misinterpret something entirely, regardless if it might be on purpose or not it seems I can also spare to waste time on you.
Despite that, empathy is the abillity to feel or comprehend the emotions someone else is feeling at a certain point or moment, event or what ever you want to call it.
It is basically to comprehend that someone is sad and even feel sad aswell when someone is sad and so on.
It is one of the things that is said to prevent everyone from killing each other, because we can comprehend the pain involved with it and so on.
Forgive if the wording seems strange for this, but as said english is not my first language and I would prefer not to have to simply quote an english textbook example.
Still empathy is an ability of varying degrees that is influenced by lots of factors.
For example is the fact that people who have themselfs not lost a precious person (yet) have trouble when dealing with someone that has just lost someone, they are unable to express themselfs (I do not actually know how to write this in english) and consulate the other.
Despite them not being able to fully comprehend this, they are not automatically without empathy or a sociopath.
Try to down play me however much you want when you are not even capable of countering the most basic example of a question for this type of thing.
Have fun shitting on one character and hailing another, just because of waifu or whatever.
Sure Baba did all of the stuff, that he is claimed to have done.
But he was on the team and it got greenlid, this is not the first time someone in development did something like that.
Just remember Saten in Railgun, she only became important, because the director or some other guy on the team got huge boners for her.
It is past past one in the morning here, so see you.
>Many people with upringing that had some form of violence in it have tendencies to feel empathy
your words anon, which fyi isn't true, just look up child soldiers.
And again you go off on a tangent, trying to sound intelligent when in actuality all your doing is making it even more clear to everyone around you that you don't don't know what you're talking about.
>Furthermore, people aren't saying they don't understand why Rose doesn't turn into a Hellion, they're saying the mechanism is stupid because they understand its implications.
Now this is something we could actually work with. and we could actually bring this >>145451440 into the discussion.
Because to me it seemed like the opposite mostly.
Regarding this all the question would be on whose morals is the malevolence based.
And this would be the machanism we are talking about.
Thus it is hard to say the mechanism is inherently stupid if we do not know that.
So the question I cannot answer, because I did not play the game yet is whose moral is the machanism based on.
I can only theorize this yet and you have to correct me on it.
>You turn into a helion if the malevolence is your own, because you comprehend that it is evil and see no good in it for the future or so.
In that case, if that is how the system works, it makes sense that Rose is not turning into one.
Since apparently she believes that what she does is not inherently wrong and aims towards something good. It is okay from her moral viewpoint and is done without a malevolent intent.
>the otherway if it is based on an outside source, power will, whatever
In that case Rose would be for some reason the exception of the rule, shonen MC dilemma or what we could call this with rules beinding for them in their advantage.
If that is the case I can comprehend the anger with such a flaw in the system and the game.
Normaly this would be something for the category bad writing, but in this case it is more something akin to one of the higher ups being madly in an unrequited love situation messing with things than actual bad writing.
>Many people with upringing that had some form of violence in it have tendencies to feel empathy
Okay now I know the problem.
What I wanted to write is that people that experience violence in their upringing tend to have problems with empathy.
Basically that people that experience violence in their youth, maybe not even directly themselfs have a lowered empathic abilities.
This is an ERROR ON MY PART, I failed to proof read that (in caps for satisfaction purposes).
This was basically the opposite of what I wanted to convey.
I want to apologize for for the misunderstanding
As said before, my basis for things sofar is based on the anime.
Watching skits and character interactions, the skits or what you call them after the batlle, reading the timeline of events with Baba and so on, watching some lets plays, reading the wikia entries and talking about it with a friend that played it already.
Considering the hate they get, they will probably be responsible for more than half the doujin that will be released.
Not officialy but through the back they will have made deals for them being produced and getting share on the profits.
For a mute, Ludger had a beautiful wife. I wonder how he managed it.
Which isn't a good indication of anything anon, to make matters worse, everyone else is speaking based on what happened in the game itself. You really don't know what people are talking about, nor are you trying to understand it either. You're just being contrary.
They might be speaking about the game, but they also sound awfully biased.
As the person I personaly know does not seem to have problems with the events in the game.
It is not, that he is not several degrees below you guys.
He himself cannot even comprehend your rantings when I talked about this with him.
And he is usualy the first one that eats my ears off (is that how you say it) if a game especially an RPG makes an error of such a degree.
Additionaly you always claimed that the game itself made a point of this error, but for some reason no image or quote seems to exist of that part.
The enitre behaviour seemed like online group mentality.
That is why I tried to make my own judgement out of everything I could gather sofar.
This is why this is the first thread I actually replied to.
>This is why this is the first thread I actually replied to.
Would you like a sticker too?
Let's be honest.
Baba and the rest of his superiors got all retarded and greedy and decided HEY LETS SEE HOW FAR WE CAN TAKE THIS DLC THING
And took out two characters and a lot of story and shoved it into what is known as the most retarded DLC imaginable.
They also made everyone canonically gay or bi to appeal to every otaku fanbase they could.
While everysingle thing that makes the already middle of the road series work or any AVERAGE jrpgs work fell to the wayside.
I mean, it's one of the worst Tales ever created purely from a gameplay perspective.
>They might be speaking about the game, but they also sound awfully biased.
Which is why they're biased, they actually played the game and so formed an opinion based on their experience. This far all anyone has ever stated about Rose is a fact, as in things that were outright stated in the game itself. This is why all your rebuttals fell flat you weren't really arguing against opinions but rather things that were outright stated in the game or conclusions reached based on experience.
Alternatively didn't you ever to think that maybe the reason why Rosefags have such a bad reputation is that they're defending a character that by the by isn't a good character even by the game's standards, and like you whenever they attempt to defend a character or leads to them being making terrible arguments while also being incapable of addressing the criticism aimed at Rose, or acknowledging the faults of the character. Like you yourself did.
>They also made everyone canonically gay or bi to appeal to every otaku fanbase they could.
I don't know about the other characters but Sorey and Mikleo were the only characters that were planned from the very start to be that way, thematically. With everyone else however it was mostly just Baba waifufagging, everyone had to love his waifu so therefore everyone had to be gay for her, except for Sorey and Mikleo and I suspect it was because he simply wasn't allowed to change it. Only Soreyx Mikleo is popular amongst Nips they don't care about the others.
>And took out two characters
Alisha was never meant to be a main character. She was a side character at best and you can mine through the code and see it yourself.
>They also made everyone canonically gay or bi
Welcome to Tales, newfag. Enjoy your stay.
>>I mean, it's one of the worst Tales ever created purely from a gameplay perspective.
I agree here though. They had the PERFECT system with Xillia2 and they scrapped it for this garbage. I will never not be mad.
>This far all anyone has ever stated about Rose is a fact
I doubt the game calls her sociapath or psychopath
>conclusions reached based on experience
Something that can very well be affected by group mentality.
I just want to remind you of what happend when that one Kannagi character was no virgin or when Cecily got raped in Sacred Blacksmith.
Just because someone has read the source does not mean he can make objective claims.
And I think you can agree that from an outside point of view and being somewhat objective the entire turn of events regarding Rose and Baba and what ever else occured ingame and IRL look very similar to the above examples.
From the timeline alone it already seemed the hardcore Tales fans were exceedingly displeased with getting to know that not Alisha but Rose was the FMC, which seems to have been before they even knew her character.
So a dissentiment towards Rose already existed before the game, did it not.
Well I will try to get the game in the next few days from my friend.
I honestly hate the idea of DLC. Only ever got it for Xillia 1 because I had the money to blow. But when the game stripped players of unlockables it really, really gets stale playing something for 60 hours and having default everything. I'd only get the short hair, cameo, and maybe whatever leaves Eizen as naked as possible. Other than that, I really can do without waifu dress up.
Seems like it's mostly /v/ posting in Zestiria's threads.
It's not double standard. Berseria is selling additional content (like costumes and such) as DLC. Baba purposely crippled the game to sell pieces of it as DLC. It's a totally different thing.
Best girl's best costume isn't DLC anyway, they won't see a cent from me
>Alisha was never meant to be a main character
Up until a year before the game's release Alisha was referred to as the heroine of Zestiria by Bamco. We also already know that Rose was added in last minute.
If you're talking about the story then she was more of a deurtagonist than a heroine which is still an important character that's secondary only to the protagonist, and is nothing like a side character.
The Berseria designs are fucking retarded with the exception of Seres.
And the alternate costumes thing is getting out of hand. Just rename the series Tales of [email protected] At least your fucking honest about it.
The only true heroine is Mikleo. Why are people still delusional enough to be hung up on the waifu wars?
>I doubt the game calls her sociapath or psychopath
The game's has her actions and mentality compared to that of a serial killer's, what do you think?
>Something that can very well be affected by group mentality.
Which isn't the case here. Sometimes people are effected by group mentality abdominal other times people simply reached the same conclusion after having a similar experience. Though in this case you have no right to decide on whether or not their words are legitimate because you don't have that experience, and you don't have the knowledge they do. You're literally trying to play white Knight for a character you know nothing about, which is actually worse.
>If you're talking about the story then she was more of a deurtagonist than a heroine which is still an important character that's secondary only to the protagonist, and is nothing like a side character.
Reading comprehension anon.
Neat. As far as I knew it was all DLC again. If there's in game costume changes, well, that changes everything. Ludger's gambling costume was so awful. I just had him run around in his PJs.
We've seen this one and a version of Eizen's default costume without the jacket. They've also shown Velvet's ponytail that she wears at the start of the game is unlockable, which means most likely the brown peasant costume is unlockable too.
>The only true heroine is Mikleo.
His mom with only 1/14th screentime that he has? Mikleo was the catalyst of the entire game's plot. His death was the reason The Lord of Calamity even exists. But here's your (You), I guess.
1. he was used as a sacrifice for the previous shepherd which caused the creation of the current lord of calamity, making him the catalyst of the entire game's plot
2. he was taken in and raised alonside Sorey to save the world
3. His relationship with Sorey is supposed to be the most important one in the game (creator's words not mine).
1. Mikleo's mother and Michael's sister
2. Formed the barrier around Calmann
1. Call to adventure
1. Token second human in party necessary for gameplay.
>Which isn't the case here. Sometimes people are effected by group mentality abdominal other times people simply reached the same conclusion after having a similar experience. Though in this case you have no right to decide on whether or not their words are legitimate because you don't have that experience, and you don't have the knowledge they do. You're literally trying to play white Knight for a character you know nothing about, which is actually worse.
As said look at it from an outsiders perspective objectivly.
You see people ranting about a character to the point that the one in the staff responsible for it is getting so serious death threats that they actually check everyone on the fan festival if they have weapons on them.
How can you not compare those situations and come to such a conclusion.
Especially if nothing I look up and get to hear about from my own sources seems even remotely as bad.
Past notRose has some huge titties. None of the promo stuff made it look like that
also the game OP being in the show was good, but going from it into the ed for the episode wasn't
Game op should just be the regular op