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Both ITH and AGTH do the same thing. Flyable Heart works fine.
I-I don't think that's what he wanted to know, anon-san.
This isn't a shitpost.
I've been 'learning' japanese for an entire year now. In fact, today marks the 1st anniversary since I started.
I tried almost everything. I read Tae Kim at first. After I finished, I tried learning extra vocabulary. Then I tried learning the radicals. When I found out it wasn't working, I attempted core2k. Lack of motivation caused me to quit core2k after a few weeks. Then I tried listening to Japanese songs. I read Yotsubato!, I tried watching dramas, anime, fucking everything but Genki because you guys told me to stay away from it.
Yesterday I started Genki. I'm on lesson 3 at the moment and I have learned more Japanese vocabulary in a single day than I have been trying to learn in an entire year. You can't make this shit up. /djt/ told me not to try Genki, and when I tried it as a last-ditch effort it was helpful. Genki is actually extremely useful.
This is not a shitpost. Do not make the same mistakes I did. Don't follow set instructions. Do your own thing. You don't have to use Anki if you don't want to. You don't have to try the Core decks to learn Japanese. There are other easier ways out there.
>try to mine word I don't know
>Error, duplicate note!
Happens a lot to me too, but it's mostly words I haven't got to learn yet.
Mining speed is just way faster than learning speed.
Be glad, by the time anki will through it at you you'll know it even faster.
That happens to me all the time, well not where I get a duplicate error, but where I know I've seen it in anki before but had completely forgotten about
Even words that I remember encountering in core I forget because I don't encounter them in so long while reading, happened the other day with 郵便局
He might as well throw 10 very uncommon English words at you.
I'm only pointing out it's preposterous that you'd not know verbs like that. Next you tell me you don't know the difference between 善い, 佳い, 良い, 好い and 宜い.
No? Next you tell me it's not common to make specific distinctinction between 在る, 有る and 或る in your writing. Or 云う, 謂う and 言う.
I'm going to do my best today, and there's nothing you can do to stop me!
It sure reads like a shitpost.
You can use Genki. You can ignore Anki. You're just going to take 5 times as long to get to your goal.
Anki is the easiest, least time consuming method out there for vocab. If you don't take advantage of it, you're just retarded.
>Hover over 在る, 有る and 或る with Rikaisama
>They all have the same definition.
I really need to switch to a J>J dictionary.
I don't think I'll ever forget that word again.
Shit guys I can't get it back, R and T just don't react even though Anki is open and the settings are as always in rikaisama.
There was one of firefox' "some random script stopped working, what now" prompts and I clicked "continue" and ticked the "dont ask again" box, I think that's where I fucked up. Where can I un-dont ask again it? It's not under Firefox' applications settings or at least I can't find Rikaisama there.
At least a year of fucking around doing not much with grammar guides and kanji and shit
Around a year of constant reading and mining
I'm still pretty fucking bad, I'm terrible at remembering vocabulary, although I do have over 10k mined vocab in anki, but my retention is balls, my grasp of grammar isn't as solid as I'd like, and my listening comprehension and production are both pretty much beginner level
Was there a fully OCRd version of DOJG or did you have to write all of it out yourself? Either way this would be really useful if we can make additions and fixes to some parts of it, especially the many wrongly translated example sentences.
Looks good from what I can tell
Not him but a few months ago I tried to OCR all three volumes with ABBYY FineReader, the first volume yielded decent results but the intermediate volume analysis was complete shit (furigana fucks the OCR).
Adobe Acrobat yielded much better results when you only OCR'd the notes one by one though so that's a viable alternative.
Do you have any examples that could be added to this spreadsheet?
Are you hardcore enough to read this Japanese literary analysis absolutely destroys your beloved Kinoko Nasu?
Here's the last couple of songs I was addicted to
Did you watch the new episode of New Game already?
If you don't want to get a cold you'll have to do 手うが
Maybe I should pick up this show after all...
But there's been a whole bunch of yuru yuri discussion recently, a lot more than usual, I guess maybe that one guy posting pages from it and asking questions about it a few weeks back must have sparked a bunch of people picking it up
Is it possible to into sticky keys with microsoft IME? With that I mean I want á to appear when I press ' and then 'a'.
I can't read japanese well enough to make sense out of the properties window. On my regular keyboard it was enabled.
>must have sparked a bunch of people picking it up
Hope so. Nice to see others enjoying the work of that zany little jellyfish.
I managed to get a few anons interested in learning Japanese on another image board in a thread by providing on the spot translations for some ゆるゆり stuff, they asked me how I learned that and I pointed them to the Guide.
Cute girls, man, they motivate even the most broken anons.
Motherfuckers, hear me out.
There are two different methods of learning: Flashcards and textbooks. Let's say flashcards is Anki and textbooks is Genki to simplify things.
If you use Anki, you have to do the reps every day if you don't want to screw yourself over. There's nothing fun about Anki. There's nothing entertaining about Anki. All you're doing is review the same words or phrases, over and over, every day. It's completely normal to get well over 200 reviews a day. It's tedious and time-consuming and frankly quite robotic. It doesn't feel natural to me.
With textbooks (in this case, Genki), you can work at your own pace. You're not on a time limit. You're in no rush. Depending on the textbook (or website), you can have fun. It feels fluid, like you can keep studying without wanting to kill yourself. I know Genki is an incredibly basic Japanese textbook, but you can move on to other, more advanced books/websites later on. You don't have to take the Core decks. You might be learning vocab from it, but you're not having fun. There's nothing fun about Anki. When you don't have fun, you don't feel motivated. It feels like you're doing it for nothing.
Explaining this is difficult, but I hope this made sense. That's why I made more progress with fucking Genki.
Holy shit its working again. I reinstallied the import addon, rikaisama, reset all the resetable rikai settings in about:config or what it was and restarted my pc and its back
Fuck I'm relieved.
If you haven't, I'd suggest trying ひだまりスケッチ after you finish ゆるゆり. The vocab is a little bit of a step up well worth it. That or 苺ましまろ. The latter is perhaps easier. Those are my three favourite manga, so obvious biases present.
I agree with you that anki is pretty much the least fun thing in the universe, but it still seems like you're doing something wrong, I mean you can't even really compare anki and genki, genki isn't supposed to be for learning vocab, it's a grammar textbook
If you want to get far, you need to, to some extent, get "fun" out of learning quickly
It's fun to finish an hour of anki and see that you know 30 new words and can understand 30 new sentences. It's much more fun than studying inefficiently and trying to stare at a vocab list for an hour coming out remembering 20 words, but then forgetting half of what you learned yesterday.
That said, pure vocab flashcards are pretty much the least fun thing you can do in anki. If you find them not fun, you should have tried things like cloze deletion cards. You could even add all the sentences you see in genki to anki and make cards based off of those.
I've never read Genki but I know you're going to have to get your vocab somehow, and really the only way to do that is to pound them into your head. Of course it's not going to be fun.
If you've ever studied another language in high school, it isn't any different there. You use a textbook but there still was no avoiding doing vocab, except instead of using Anki you would probably do it the oldschool way.
Cheer. Actually downloaded 1~5 the other week but haven't look at it. It's sitting in a folder with a bunch of other unsorted, downloaded manga. At the moment I've been reading random volumes of 苺ましまろ and ゆるゆり over and over. Night meds make me drowsy and reading the aforementioned has made for some incredibly comfy pre-sleep relaxation.
The まんがタイム publications (きらら、KR、etc.) have serialised a whole bunch of really enjoyable series.
Export the deck, without schedule data.
Delete the deck in your profile. Delete the card type associated with it. Delete any associated media.
Import previously exported deck, without schedule data (with media, if it had any).
Your deck is now reset completely.
You need to write a lot and speak a lot to get better at writing and speaking. Producing "incorrect" Japanese is a red herring because you're supposed to make mistakes. It's part of learning. Reading and listening to a lot of content dramatically helps you become familiar with the language as it is used by natives, but writing and speaking are skills on their own. If you want to get better at speaking, you have to speak and speak a lot. The same for writing.
If you give me your number I can text you "lazy fuck" every day.
2 years, all independent. First year was with a book called "日本語入門". The title and a kana table in the back was literally all the actual japanese text inside. Everything else was romaji. It wasn't terrible, but I had to re-learn all the words the moment the thought finally clicked.
Since then I've done Anki, Genki, read any sort of text I could get my hands on, and tried talking to the three people I've met who are also trying to learn japanese. I'm not great. I don't get many chances to practice other than writing stuff down, so my phrasing can be a bit awkward. I've been trying (read: failing) to read a book called "日本人の知らない日本語". It's funny, but I'm also having a pretty hard time with it...
Please recommend me some nice addons for anki!
I wish there was something like an easy kanji look up on hover or something like that.
Hello /djt/. Used to be a regular here over a year ago, how are things going around here? You guys happy with the New Game anime? It's pretty cute so far.
What are the current trends? Are people still fighting over RTK? Or perhaps now it's all for KLC? What's /djt/'s opinion on KLC by the way? I don't need any of these things anymore so I don't really feel like wasting time on it but I'm still curious how it holds up compared to other resources as I've heard good things about it (did the RTKfag route myself).
I have 3-4 years of Japanese under my belt by the way so if beginners are worried or uncertain about things I'll gladly give you my two cents if that can help.
Do your reps, read the compelling content, listen to the sounds, watch cute anime girls, and talk to the 日本人. ふーん、やさしいの
You can add this to your Core 6K template for links to look-up the word or the kanji it contains.
The kanji link to an RTK site but you can obviously change it to any site that lets you put kanji in the URL.
>You need to write a lot and speak a lot to get better at writing and speaking. Producing "incorrect" Japanese is a red herring because you're supposed to make mistakes. It's part of learning. Reading and listening to a lot of content dramatically helps you become familiar with the language as it is used by natives, but writing and speaking are skills on their own. If you want to get better at speaking, you have to speak and speak a lot. The same for writing.
It is important to practice them, but only if you have enough experience to have a feel for what is correct. You can't write a natural sentence when you don't even know the words that would be appropriate there.
Speaking is one thing because it's less about correctness and more about immediacy, but in terms of writing I would not trust anyone who cannot read Japanese fluently to be able to write anything decent of reasonable length.
What is this.
I think I'm okay with that.
Oh yeah by no mean I was bragging. That's great anon congratz, wish you the best. I've taught people Japanese as a side job this past year, not sure I'd like to do this seriously or even continue though. Pays rather well though for basically just spoonfeeding and hand-holding people who incapable of learning on their own.
I'll take that as a "yeah KLC is neat".
>I've taught people Japanese as a side job this past year, not sure I'd like to do this seriously or even continue though. Pays rather well though for basically just spoonfeeding and hand-holding people who incapable of learning on their own.
Yeah, most people will be awed simply by you knowing Japanese. Being able to teach it might seem like a miraculous ability. Some people I know from my previous courses are now making money that way too.
You in fact do not have to do Anki every day. You will end up with a lot of due cards but you don't have to do them all at once. Some spaced retrieval practice is better than none. If you feel like you're a slave to Anki then just do however much you feel like, when you feel like it.
>just spoonfeeding and hand-holding people who incapable of learning on their own.
What exactly do you have them do? Specifically i'm asking how do you try and convince them you aren't wasting their time and money
>I thought you had to be a native of whatever language you're teaching for anyone to take you seriously.
Not always. Confidence is key here. A lot of people will relate to you more knowing you, as a people from the West, managed to learn Japanese all by yourself and so on. A Japanese person might know the language better than I do but they haven't had to learn it from scratch from an English speaker perspective. Also I'm ESL so actually I speak 3 languages which tend to impress.
That's pretty shit.
Yes I would totally recommend RTK (although once again you should look into KLC yourself). If you'd like I can expand on the routine you could do in order to be successful.
I don't teach in a class, I do private lessons through internet. I hand hold them through everything, teach them Japanese based on my own personal knowledge and experience as best as I can, give them all the resources needed as they go on, etc. Yes I even help them with Hiragana, etc. As said up there I provide coaching, comfort and security, it's a lot based on trust. Most people learning Japanese are always in doubt, they never know if what they're doing is right or correct, etc, so that I can provide.
There's no way I could provide these kinds of service to people from /djt/ or even 4chan as a whole though, it's targeted to normalfags or rich weeaboos who wouldn't go past 1 week of self-study.
>which tendS to impress
The irony, I shot myself in the foot here.
>private lessons through internet.
>even help them with Hiragana
Jesus, An acquaintance of mine tried and failed at learning japanese but he at least learned hiragana and katakana himself. How much do you charge per hour?
I can't tell you that, sorry, you'll have to find your own customers if you'd like to do the same.
I charge 15 to 20€.
I am never lying to them about anything, they need my help and I offer them my help. For that I get paid. That's a service, I am not forcing anyone here, this is not what a scam is. Often I've even had customers willing to pay me more for the work I do because how content they were.
That's like saying kids that are too dumb for school are being scammed when they get a mentor. He's not making them waste money if they learn Japanese through it and are unable to otherwise.
What level is the Berserk manga?
I'm thinking the action pages and spreads could make light dialog and no overwhelm me with lots and lots of reading but do not have an idea of how difficult the dialog is.
how much progress should you have made after 5 fucking years of study /djt/? I'm a little concerned for a buddy I have
I have no clue. He just said he's ALMOST finished 常用漢字. I'm just gonna send him this
Another day of caffeine, ginseng, ginkgo biloba and having no job or schooling watching and doing reps lads.
Not yet but I have it downloaded. I am in public and don't like to be that guy that watches anime in coffee shops.
I saw the word sortie used in boot camp and thought of you guys.
I have a friend like that too, been talking with him occasionally for a year now.
He said he finished RTK but anki reviews for it still take away all his study time, so he can barely learn vocab. He also said he doesn't want to read anything now and he'd rather "take it slow" and maybe take uni classes. He also bought DoJG but I'm not sure how he's using it if he doesn't read.
>I could be this guy in a couple of years
Gotta apply for that study abroad program.
I'm surprised at being able to understand everything he's saying, on the other hand I'm very impressed with how fluent he is speaking, I don't think I'll ever manage to speak like that, I'm probably too awkward.
When you watch his video, you'll note that nothing he says doesn't really say any complicated sentences. The impressive thing is how he can just keep speaking and chain things together with ease.
Being in Japan will help you lose that hesitation in speaking, that's the first step towards reaching that guy's level.
It sure helped me.
Only potentially confusing thing there is だけ. It's not exactly the most obvious usage of it. Normally you probably see だけ as expressing some limit, a small one, but here it expresses an unclear one, limited by the 食べたら - i.e. "as much as I ate, that much I got fatter".
I spent two months learning kana, but after discovering /djt/ finished Core 6K in under seven. Learning communities like this full of autismal assholes are important for setting basic standards.
It's a bit weird here in Austria though. They only take master students and I'm not there yet.
They also need some proof of you knowing English well enough, for whatever reason.
No Japanese proficiency required at all.
Makes me really question the program but at least it'll get me to Japan.
Autistic unatainable standards produce results.
I clicked on /lit/ once to discuss childrens books and they got me to read Joyces Ulysses and Kants Critique of Pure Reason purely by making me feel stupid for not having read them.
It feels great when you go back to yotsuba and feel all the progress you've made since you read it.
Yeah, every now and then I'm actually glad I started learning from DJT instead of elsewhere. I'm pretty sure I would've made about 1/10th of the progress if I wasn't surrounded by NEETs. Bless you DJT.
I had that with Ika Musume, shit's so fucking long and easy that I was able to start struggling through volume 1 when I was pretty much a complete beginner, and got to volume 22 a year later where I could read everything without even needing to use a dictionary once, feels good
Within a month of browsing that shithole I read his entire works not including Finnegans Wake.
4chan is a massive waste of time but it definitely can give you an insanely good foundation on most subjects if you have an autistic mindset
I've tried searching and I can't find this hieroglyphic
I always imagine 呉 as a kid raising his hand in class.
Thank you it makes sense now. I used to ignore that stuff but its there for a reason.
Are you just memeing him?
Anyway, rather clearly the girl is making a statement, with の bearing his meaning
With the reason being something she read in that magazine she's holding.
>fuck mining AND reading a lot, it's not happening
Where the fuck do you think you're going to mine the words from?
Your English text doesn't make any sense and your Japanese quote confirms what I said.
>whats the first thing you watch without subtitles?
You start with Japanese subtitles not no subtitles.
Lucky Star has subtitles perfectly timed for the Elysium release
>whats the first thing you watch without subtitles?
First thing I watched was gokusen. It was pretty okay to follow, though if I were to rewatch it now I'd probably notice that I missed out on everything.
Subtitles do definitely help soften the jump into raw anime, but it's important to remember not to get too reliant on them, your listening comprehension improves a lot faster when you're not following along with text
Hm, I have Lucky Star Elysium BD here but it doesn't have japanese subs.
But for those who are looking for japanese subs, this site might help:
The subs on that site are the ones I meant.
How does that work out look like? I wanna go to the gym but I'm afraid I will literally tire out after the first exercise since I'm a wimp with neither endurance nor strength. If I walk into there, do one exercise, then walk out everyone there would think I'm a total loser for sure...
Thanks for the suggestions. I was attempting to watch Dragonball raw, mostly as an excuse to watch dragonball again and because I figured they made it for kids, but I cant find a version online with audio that doesn't sound like it was recorded on a potato. Also, Goku talks weird.
If anything is all right, I recommend アンパンマン.
This is very easy anime for kids. But this will probably boring you.
Besides this, I recommend ふるさと再生 日本の昔ばなし.
This is a collection of short stories. This is also for kids.
But even an adult can enjoy this.
I just train at home. Gym's are too expensive where I live.
A barbell, some dumbbells and weights are all you need.
I do Chin Ups, Squats, Deadlift, Military Overhand Press, Bend Over Rows, Floor Press, Shin Ups, Calf Ups, Sit Ups, Push Ups.
Alternate between similar exercises every other day.
Usually takes me 3 hours, then I do thirty mins of stretching.
Just go read the /fit/ sticky and start. Best decision of my life.
It was hard in the beginning until I found the proper stretches to relieve my muscles. Now it's so fun I don't wanna stop.
Forget everything else about /fit/ though and just never go there.
Go here, find out whatever muscles you trained today, then search the stretching exercise and stretch them properly after working out. It's really important.
>desu now I'm focused on my goal of getting to and passing a doctoral course here.
At first I was just fancying the idea of earning an MS at a Japanese university, but now I'm starting to really consider it because of the low tuition cost. It would only cost $10k there vs. the $50k I would have to pay over the course of 2 years here. How have you been enjoying it? Also, if you were from an English speaking country, did you still need to take the TOEFL?
Translate their titles then imagine how a some braindead teenager would describe them. He isn't the executive producer, he's some rich suit. The director isn't a director, he's the film guy. The editing department are film checkers. Script writers are the writing guy. That sort of shit.
I got some Japanese subtitles but they have furigana which is really shitty and misaligned. They seem to be the only subs for the show I can find so is there a way I can get rid of the furigana?
So I started rewatching Hyouka and between segments, they give you a word and some line of text. The first episode is
And the text is
Is this some form of classic japanese poetry I'm unaware of or what?
10 years but haven't been dedicated. I probably only practice an hour a day so a lot of the people here are better at reading and writing than I am. If I could just focus on one language, I wouldn't be so terrible.
I'm none of the anons who replied to you.
Do you mean the RTK routine? Or the routine I'd do when I was still "beginner"? I can give good tips regarding RTK but other than that we have advanced learners within this thread who can give the same kind of advice for the rest, I'm no wizard.
I did exactly the opposite, maybe you should be mindful of your learning comprehension from now on.
I have no routine anymore per se, I just do some reps in the morning and read whatever I want when I feel like it.
Also, I looked at jisho and the only meaning for 清明 they gave me was "pure and clear", so I got curious if this was some sort of style of poetry in japanese
This is old Japanese. Let's break it part by part.
The 草木が芽吹きだして from explanation applies. 万物 literally means "everything", but here refers to "every plant". "発して" is "芽吹きだして" here, i.e. sprouts coming out.
清浄明潔 is the name of the relevant time period, ４月４日ごろ - "around 4th of April". Presumably it refers to the old lunar calendar, making it today's start of May.
清明 is explained as 清浄明潔 shortened.
なれば - ば in Old Japanese isn't just conditional, but also simple "when", like -たら can be nowadays. So "when it becomes 清浄明潔".
此 - これ、この + 芽は - "this sprout"
何の草としれる也 - "becomes known what "plant" it is" See 草 there more broadly, nit just simple "grass".
也 - reads なり, means である/です nowadays. しれる is already verb, sticking 也 after it is like today's のだ.
Bonus, contrast なり and たり, both meaning である/です, but たり is used when speaking about people's social standings etc. Consider today's N1 grammar xxxたる者
Also I guess I'll explain why the modern Japanese explanation in this picture >>145409413 speaks about nature in general, i.e. all sprouts, but the Old Japanese sentence has 此芽は, limiting it to "this sprout".
Simply, this idea of making judgements about nature at large based on singular observations is common in old Japanese poetry.
The whole thing I'd translate for example as:
"Sprouts come out, in early April , every plant makes itself known."
Yes. 清明 = 清浄明潔 = ４月４日ごろ. And the poem tells you what happens then.
Ojibwe and recently dropped French. There's a bit of similarities between Ojibwe and Japanese so I find myself accidentally mixing them when speaking to my grandmother
>mfw I even sound like a disgusting weeaboo when speaking Ojibwe
They also seem to display a bit big. I used an editor to make them smaller and removed the furigana by making their width and height 0% but when there's multiple lines they're too far apart. I know fuck all about this sort of thing so if any of you have an idea please tell me.
Any non-retarded text editor should let you do regex-based search and replace. If you're on Windows, download a program called Notepad++.
Try using this expression (assuming 4chan doesn't escape it):
Replace it with an empty string. Pic related to demonstrate the matching regions.
I teach you so that you can help yourself.
>tfw been trying to learn kana for over a year
The only things I know is hiragana, vaguely
Is it possible to just be too stupid for nip? I want to learn it but at this point I don't know if I can
I've tried flashcards, reciting while writing, things like realkana
It's not about being able or not it's about wanting to.
You don't want to learn, stop lying to yourself. So since you'll never genuinely learn how to learn and thus learn Japanese be honest with yourself and get out of here. I'm sure there are plenty of other hobbies for you.
You will never learn Japanese. Accept it.
I always saw it as a DJ, with one hand on the table and the other pushing his headphones against his ear.
I do want to. I have other hobbies, some of which are heavily involved with nip.
I was spending 1h45m a day for a solid three months and it still didn't stick. I keep going back and end up spending 2h30m every week or so but it never sticks, I think I'm just mentally retarded and I have slight brain damage
Spend all those 2 hours on real kana learning hiragana additively. You seem slow so katakana can wait. Then read taekim's guide. When you see a character you already have seen but don't know what it is, just look it up, it'll stick eventually.
12K words in and all it feels like now is im just learning pointless obscure words
Is there really a point to beyond 10k vocab?
Today I spent half an hour doing anki, then I spent three hours hanging out with native speakers with a few drinks while chatting. We had a few good laughs over my attempted use of slang. The event made an emotional connection and every moment of it resonates strongly in my mind.
Not anime but just random Japanese variety shows since they do whatever the fuck its called thats common in Japanese TV where they write out some lines on the screen for added effect.
Oh ive been done with Core words for awhile now, im about 5k into my mined.
Was just wondering if it would be worth taking the words from core and added them to my mined so I wouldnt have two decks or to just drop it all together.
I think adding them with J-J definitions would be alright, right?
>所 can be read ところ right?
>And both mean place?
>Why do I see ところ written using hiragana instead of the Kanji 所?
Go visit the dojg site and come back. You have 5 minutes. はやく！！
this is starting to make english harder for me, like i know that taller people dont live as long but they'd say a shorter life while taller is better than a longer life while shorter, i can barely keep it together
Out of curiosity, how long did it take some of you experienced guys here to read something without a texthooker or rikaisama etc.? Like, did you try to play a console game in Japanese or tried to read a physical Japanese book?
Stop asking dumb questions
Natives know more of course, but yeah, it's probably useless. At that point you should work on your kanji recognition, because you should be able to guess the meaning of words and interpret the meanings of sentences rather than taking it in a word at a time.
That sounds like a load of shit but it's how I've had Japanese explain reading things with made-up kanji or kanji they've never seen before.
>from the future
>STILL hasn't learned Japanese