Where were you when Freyja got put in a corner and BTFO by Mirage?
Is this a good way to describe Macross 7 to someone who don't know about it?
Despite how cute this pairing is, it makes absolutely no goddamn sense. Half of their time together was spent with them completely shitting on each other for not doing such and such right and talking shit to each other. The other half is about her mulling teen romance for the first time in her life while hes just trying to get a woman's input shopping or planning an event for Freyja.
Hayate still respects the shit out of Mirage, however Mirage is head over heels for him at this point.
I love Mirage spilling her spaghetti, I think is fucking cute, but I feel broken seen her sad when it comes to Hayate.
Mirage x Keith when?
This episodes doesn't seems to answer a lot of questions. We still don't know why Mikumo is called "The Macross."
If Mirage wins, what the hell was the point of all those manga implying otherwise? That's some fucked up shit, Kawamori!
One of the songwriters when she was told about the story said she wanted to make a bright song for a tragic girl.
The development in the latest episode is a sign of the good things ending for little hoina and I think Kawamori is trying to make her into the Little Mermaid.
Mirage will emerge victorious because hoina can't sing anymore, and hoina will turn into fold foam because she won't betray her friends and go back to Winderemere.
I can't remember something i never had
>In the TV series the resolution was brought about by Minmay’s song but in the movie, due to the 2 hour restriction, I had to simplify it down. Although the song did bring about an alliance, the last boss had to be beaten by weapons in the end. That ending I regret.”
>That regret resulted in a new Macross series ten years later known as Macross 7, where the protagonist was Nekki Basara, who is constantly singing and never uses weapons. So in terms of the positive side of a song can bring, this is something that Nekki Basara did. As for the negative side, I thought about things like mind control and that’s how the AI Sharon Apple for Macross Plus came about.
Kawamori on songs and shit
>miragefags get pissed their girl doesn't get focus in a series where she has no reason to be focused on and calls it bad writing
>freyjafags just enjoying all the vanilla throughout the anime
>story is just fine, with lots of cool moments and great music
>mirage finally gets her moment with hayate that was already a given
>"TAKE THAT FREYJAFAGS. BTFO"
>mfw I'm just enjoying all the great Freyja moments we're getting throughout
I know it's not all Miragefags, but really nigga.
You can't win against someone who has it in their name. Heck, she even has "won" in her name, too, so we can make fun of Miragefags after the fact.
Do people truly think of Mirage as the mature one when she's supposed to be a professional soldier with lives at stake but she's freaking out at having to touch Hayate, spazzing out at holding his hand, sighing and throwing bitch face at everyone because he's not dating her?
We're waiting for subs.
Also Roid totally planning Gramia's death almost confirmed.
It's more or less confirmed Gramia's death is on his hands. CONSPIRACY AND SHIT. Doctor guy wants to warn Keith.
>yfw if he somehow poisoned Gramia's mind to start this war when he was barely alive in bed
I'm so jelly got told in the face that the thing Freyja and Mikumo love is a weapon.
Can I disagree this? I don't want to accept that Sheryl is weaker than Ranka or Sara is weaker than Mao.
>Looking back now, why do you think Alto chose Sheryl in the end?
>Well, his feelings towards Ranka had become something akin to that of an older brother’s. Furthermore, if you think about it, Sheryl is actually the weaker one. Although she appears strong, it’s like she’s just putting up a front.
>So although Alto had originally thought that she was strong, when he came to know her weaknesses, I think he just felt something tug at his heart. You could say that he was fascinated by that gap between what he originally thought and the reality* (laughs).
After episode 20, Ranka broke off with Alto and went to do her own thing while Sheryl cling to him because she needed him. Yes, Ranka got captured by Grace but those are plot developments rather something on her personality trying to be needy. I don't mean this in a bad way, because I prefer Sheryl over Ranka.
He allowed a dying old man to take to the battlefield on the command bridge. Of course its on his hands. But it doesn't seem like there are any better candidates to run the head of state. And strictly speaking objectively, the boy king is already expending his lifespan so the best opportunity to establish Windemere hegemony throughout the galaxy is to use him up in this short time frame while finding a way to mass mind control everyone in the galaxy.
You can't really argue it as evil either since there is no real alternative to UN rule. There is no competing power in the galaxy who can keep the UN Spacy in check from curbstomping noncompliant planets. This is the natural consequence to oppressive rule.
The only thing you can really argue as being wholly immoral was Windemere resorting to galactic warfare as a first course of action instead of a last course of action. No one will dare call Windemere friend at this point.
I can't understand what's thinking Roid. Can he really think he can conquer the whole universe with a few knights and with Heinz almost dead? He isn't even telling anything to Keith at least.
At this rate Keith is going to defect.
Everyone got shafted in some way. The love triangle was so conflicted that by the end of Frontier, my first preference was Ranka x Sheryl because they fit into each other so well. It was Sheryl who slapped sense into Ranka, after all.
Theoretically speaking if this protoculture weapon can mind control all protoculture races throughout the galaxy in real time or near real time, he could literally have non-hair-cancer beings be sung to death. Wiping out the entire galaxy and replacing it with Windemereans would totally be in his playbook.
Depends on your definition of mature. Mirage is more analytical and overthinks things which makes her bad with emotions while Freyja is better at dealing with her feelings but isn't very rational.
>she needed him
And they said in a later episode, Hayate needs Freyja. But Mirage is appearing weaker and more vulnerable. So is Freyja though. Dammit I don't know what to think.
>This episodes doesn't seems to answer a lot of questions. We still don't know why Mikumo is called "The Macross."
Of course. We only got Berger's theories this episode. We won't get actual answers until we get the facts.
If Keith hadn't reacted with anything but awe and respect to Messer, I'll say no, but he did. He misses Messer more than any of them. Hayate might be angry first, as would Kaname, but Keith isn't a bad person. They are just in a war. People die in it and have reasons to fight. Hayate understood Qassim when he said he couldn't forgive him when they fly. He knows all have reasons to fight now.
>Do people truly think of Mirage as the mature one when she's supposed to be a professional soldier with lives at stake but she's freaking out at having to touch Hayate, spazzing out at holding his hand, sighing and throwing bitch face at everyone because he's not dating her?
Mirage, being a Meltran, could very likely have a lower mental age than the average human purely due to her longer natural life span. It would not have been an issue back when all Meltran are cloned fully-formed and with implanted intelligence, but now that Meltrans are reproducing the issue of mental age could matter. Frejya is way more mature than her physical age, so why couldn't the reverse be true for Mirage?
We don't know (yet) if he killed Gramia or not. Maybe the only thing he did wrong was take the command of Windermere (under Heinz as a king) when Gramia revoked him before.
What if he wanted Keith to take command and not Roid?
For the people saying that Mirage and Hayate always have the serious talk while Freyja doesn't, that is because the serious topics are more suitable towards Mirage. Let's talk about some of the topics.
>Hayate's first kill
Mirage is a pilot just like Hayate so, she obviously can relate to him very well and help him out when she herself had her first kill. Freyja is just an idol so, the serious talk wouldn't be fitting for her.
He's a pilot in a squad that is the same as Mirage and Hayate. Of course Mirage would be more suitable to talk to.
>Hayate's dad caused nuke
Yeah, no. He's not going to be talking right away to the one he feels very guilty about knowing his dad nuked her planet.
I don't really need to explain this do I? Freyja has a good reason not to be all comfortable talking to Hayate. It's still pretty clear that Hayate still doesn't see anything in Mirage besides being a great friend when he's always openly touching her without feeling anything such as the hug previously and the holding hand.
After this episode it's look like Freyja can't dealing with this problem because Muslim faggot throw a "Song that you love is a weapon and you're harming your boy." theory in her face. I hope someone will encourage her, maybe Mikumo.
Mirage's breakdown was a long time coming. She already had problems when people kept expecting great things of her due to her bloodline. No one ever acts like they respect her for her piloting skills, and she never seems like a threat on the battlefield.
Why y'all fighting over HayaFre vs HayaMira. HayaFre definitely has more development at this point but there's still more episodes to come. Personally I can only see HayaFre becoming stronger after this but I'm not going "HayaFre is end game".
In the end, it could be anyone's game or we may even get sky end since Delta puts a huge focus on chasing your dreams.
Freyja realizes she wants to sing forever
Hayate realizing he just wants to fly
Mirage realizing she's best standing on her own two feet
Plot twist: Freyja goes for Mikumo. ShinpiHoina Endgame
Ok then what do you say about the many more intimate scenes Hayate and Freyja had together? Including Hayate's blushes and his hesitation of reaching his hand out for Freyja during her Birthday?
>Bogue walks up to Reina with no murderous intent
>"I...volunteer my services to you. I am now knight"
>Reina looks away and blushes hard
Please make it happen Kawamori. I think these two might be the Max and Milia of the show. Makes sense too because Bogue is the biggest hater out of the other knights.
>What could teach her to be human more than falling in love?
Yeah, that's a pretty good reason. It could be really heartwarming to see the mysterious/inhuman girl form a romantic connection like that.
I love Mirage with all my heart but for fucks sake OP, you are just an asshole, don't try to make people hate each other.
Might not be a popular theory around here but I think it's the resonance between her rune and the jewel that's confusing Hayate's feelings a little.
He will keep his special connection to Freyja and cares deeply about her but the final step has been a little of involuntary mind control Var from her side.
I hope Mirage can build some happiness with Hayate, and Freyja still to have a very happy and long life since Mikumo will be fixing Windermere lifespan problems and she'll stay forever with Freyja most likely.
But Ranka also went to see Alto in the hospital.
First piece of HayaMira art since that episode. It's already happening.
Luckily I like both Mirage and Freyja so, I don't really care who wins but I think it's still going to be really sad for the loser. Especially if it's Freyja since she seems to have it a lot rougher than Mirage. Her short life span is so shitty and for her to lose would just be plain bullying. To make things worse, now it seems like the songs she is singing is a weapon.
Did we ever get the bunch of images that was suppose to be in this magazine?
After what Hayate said about living life to the fullest, Freyja should win. The fact that'd he choose her would be heartwarming. He doesn't care about how short their time will be, they at least enjoyed it. But it seems we're on our way to a traditional end. Older military chick will win. Whatever, she's meltran so it's all good, I guess.
She is the heroine that gets everything regarding to story, has to suffer and overcome her difficulties. I'm fine if he doesn't end up with Hayate. I will be sad for her, but she will keep going on living her life. Hayate can be part of her happiness but he is not her happiness. In contrast with Mirage who is dependent on him and can't do much if he is not around.
Mirage a qt!
What the fuck kind of reasoning is this for why Mirage should win? "Oh Hayate and Freyja have this deep connection and inspire each other to go to new heights and have a great relationship but it's OK if Freyja loses because she has her own life while Mirage is pathetic as fuck and can't do anything without Hayate?"
This is like that episode of the Simpsons where it turns out that without Marge, Homer is completely incapable of living and he tells her he has nothing to offer but complete and total dependence. Is that really what Mirage's selling point is? That she's a massive loser?
> Is that really what Mirage's selling point is? That she's a massive loser?
To me, yes? I don't dislike her but when I compare her to Freyja she doesn't have something going on. She has done nothing to the plot, all her 'development'is towards Hayate and her feelings, her self esteem problems were never addressed again and in this episode she wants Hayate to wake up because she can't deal with this alone.
Yes, she was there to support him in difficult moments, I give her that. But her and Hayate never went through difficulties to test their relationship or make it stronger.
Is Mikumo one of these ones or a new one created from scratch by Lady M?
So apparently there will finally be some Messer merchandise
Delta still dropped and no-buy list for me because they made Mirage suffer so needlessly this last 3 weeks.
I can only wish for her happiness now but will be back once it's all over not right now,
see you later space anons
I know this was a literal slideshow episode, but I didn't mind having a little exposition break after the crazy shit that happened in episode 18.
I doubt the Windimujaheddin guy was telling the truth without ulterior motives
I might have said this already, but I got NOSTALGIAhard hearing SDF Macross OP
So Mirage reminds Hayate of his mother. You think he reminds her of Max? Blue haired pro pilots can only come ever so often. You guys think maybe she fantasizes about grandaddy?
I bet it's like hitting your buddy's butt. It's a bit gay but it's more of a brotherly thing to do. Besides they can communicate emotions by runes.
I'm surprised though, is lady M pretty much confirmed to be Minmay? Will she come back as a hag to be the final boss? That would be such a bizarre development.
Would you trust this man with your little brother?
They weren't given much ammo in this episode to begin with, but as a freyjafag, I'm still keeping my guard up for potential heart break. So I still predict Mirage will win because tradition.
So besides the revelation that music is a weapon, Freyja getting BTFO, Mirage using Hayate as a way of achieving her incest fantasy about grandpa Max, and Roid possibly being gay for Keith, anyone ever notice the Windermere salute looks exactly like the Zentradi salute?
He looks like a fine gentleman, why not?
>tfw finish building my Siegfried before subs drop
Just have to put stickers on the gunpod, apply all the little details, and build the stand for it.
It's scary trying to transform this thing, everything feels simultaneously too tight and too loose, and I can't get Gerwalk to look right.
How is this btfo? She held his hand while he was sleeping like a coward, or did I miss something in her dialogue?
Freyja just got told her songs are killing Hayate, of course she would stay away for now. She's also worried about Mikumo her home planet fucking everything up and the big reveal about her songs, the dearest things to her, contributing to the spreading of the VAR. Meanwhile, all Mirage ever does is cry on the wounded rookie's bed, hoping he'd get up end everything would be fixed.
Fuck, typing this made me remember that she's the leader of the delta squadron, and she did jack shit since episode 13 except lusting for the dick and being girly.
>all Mirage ever does is cry on the wounded rookie's bed, hoping he'd get up end everything would be fixed.
This weak side kinda hurt her character so fucking hard. I want a lone wolf strong female pilot not a weak girly and jobber one.
That strategy worked for Sheryl too.
Well, you could say that there it is canon within its own continuity. The only real grey area is when you come to main canon within Macros. There's no definitive continuity of events outside of a few big notes.
Keith is the only adversary he has difficulty with, and with Keith having his doubts I bet the writers will avoid having them butt heads before solving the resonance drama. Now that Hayate doesn't have songbuff backing him they'll make him face Cassim
Based Chuck dumped all his deathflags on his sister.
Wars are never fair.
Well since the research started after Space War 1 several candidates. Eliminating those who are on Megaroad-1... Shammy Milliome married a rich guy and had 11 kids. Chaos is a communications and media company prmarily. Shammy was a communications and tactical air group officer. Mao Nome foremost expert on the Protoculture believed to have perished during the Vajra incident of 2048. They never found the body. Lastly Lady M isn't a single person but an organization dedicated in recreating the miracle of Minmay, Project M, who chose Basara as their singer. That accomplishment led to Tactical Sound Groups such as Fire Bomber, Jamming Birds, Milky Dolls and the Sound Force training center on Macross 7 in Macross 7th Chord where Gamlin is an instructor.
Is this gay?
This is pretty normal, for 8 years ago.
Fuck, most subs in the mid-00s took about 3 days to come out apart from speedsubbers who'd get it in the first 12-24 hours.
Modern anime fans are so fucking spoiled. It was even worse in the age of VHS tapes and mail order fansubs
why is she so cute
>tfw your favorite anime came out one tape at a time and there was no boxed collection
>tfw Del Rey would pick up a manga series and stop translating it half way through
Tears in the rain.
From the Variable Fighter Master File for the VF-4 Lightning.
I'd guess based on this that Freyja's and Keith's stories will be somewhat linked to Mikumo. And as we expected, there might be a Keith vs. Roid showdown coming, but we will see. I still have a hard time seeing Roid as a real bad guy.
Oh come on, that doctor in the last episode wanted to tell keith something about Gramia and freaked out when he saw people passing by. Roid definitely planned the king's death.
Yeah, Gramia's death was really fishy. Does this mean, though, that Roid has a few soldiers on his side? If he really betrayed Keith and the rest of his squad, that's going to hurt a lot.
Also, I think Keith, Herman and Cassim are on the brink of defection, while Bogue and twins just need a good reason to defect too, like finding out Roid has betrayed them.
Minori is commenting that Freyja loves Hayate, Mirage, and songs but she is thinking that to Freyja there is something more important to her now than romance with Hayate.
There is another question about the triangle, and Minori says how Mirage is becoming more assertive, which is the opposite of Freyja's development, and there's going to be some of that I won't lose to you thing going on.
The interviewer is asking her if she knows how Delta ends, but she says nobody will tell her, but from what she knows from her own character's pov, there is a deeper connection to the other series and that's something to look at as we watch the climax.
Soon. The true villain will unleash itself.
If that's true then that's just fucking terrible writing being able to predict who's going to win the triangle by just looking at a old couple's similar scenes. Its just him copying his own works and making them be like the same characters. This is probably going to be my last kawamori work if that's how easily predictable his shit is when you can just go back on his old work to find who's going to win. I want a hard time to figure out who will win and not be given an big obvious hint. We're not even talking about winning by pure development but just because the scenes are similar to a old couple.
>but she is thinking that to Freyja there is something more important to her now than romance with Haya
Roid's VA is pointing out that while Keith wants to take back the sky they fly in, Roid wants to take back the sky that is ruled by Windermere, and this is where they will start straying from each other.
Also, the VA says that Mikumo's presence will be a major thing to look out for in the next episodes as well as how she will affect the direction of the war. We will also be getting development for the other knights and see Roid being consumed by his own desires without him realizing it.
>but from what she knows from her own character's pov, there is a deeper connection to the other series and that's something to look at as we watch the climax.
What did she mean by this?
>deeper connection to the other series and that's something to look at as we watch the climax.
>What did she mean by this
Past idols will probably make a come back. The war as far as i can see will be in a greater scale as compared to Macross F's second movie.
1 Ichimatsu 176 votes
2 Freyja Wion 115 votes
3 Gintoki 92 votes
6 Atsushi/Nico Robin
Yes, hoina is pure.
Always feel great to be Freyjafag.
>The three best made it to the poll.
Macross 30 she can produce Song Energy like the other Songstresses. Dr. Gadget M. Chiba guesstimated her range would be around 30,000 Chiba songs in Macross 7. But Macross 30 shows it is more powerful than that.
Who knows? Maybe they will start interacting in the remaining 7 episodes. so stuff like this makes sense.
>Vajra, one of the main sources of fold quartz, disappear to another galaxy
>Windermere has a big supply of fold quartz
>Runes have fold quartz in them
>The war breaks out one year after Frontier's events
Everything fits. 2ch speculated that maybe NUNS robbed the tombs of Windermereans in search of fold quartz. And to be honest I wouldn't be surprised, since through history humans have done the same.
When Mr. Berger began spilling the beans regarding to lady M's identity and her shenanigans, he clearly wasn't lying about it although he said it was a rumor. It is indeed the truth based on how he responded with that cheeky expression from his reply. He perhaps wanted the Delta squad to seek the truth themselves.
That ISIS even has NUNS' backing. Damn, the political view in Delta's timeline as a whole is so damn dark and shady.
>Damn, the political view in Delta's timeline as a whole is so damn dark and shady.
>As opposed to any other timeline?
It is literally a combination of both Plus and Frontier but with shadier plot retroactively.
>Fold wave is generated by strong emotion
>We half starwar and half 40k now?
Basara's sound wave is still a mystery to me. I wonder if Dr. Chiba assisted Lady M in her research after the events of Macross 7.
Death will cuck Kaname.
I want to believe that the jellyfish master lucked out of the pineapple end, but seeing Messer's death happened in Kaname's birthday makes me believe the writers enjoy making her suffer.
Mikumo's VA mentioned that something bad will happen in episode 20.
maybe it has to do with Mikumo, something about her memories beinng wiped again and freyja or Kaname discovering it at the end.
First half is a muslim guy throwing shit and said that UTA WA HEIKI, Mirage go visit Hayate holding his hand while he sleeping and said that please wake up everything are fucked up.
>Minori says how Mirage is becoming more assertive, which is the opposite of Freyja's development, and there's going to be some of that I won't lose to you thing going on.
I can confirm this part:
But wait, there are only 7 episodes left, how the hell they could make it from Mirage admire Freyja to Freyja admire Mirage?
Basically at the end of the series Ranka, who had pretty much lost by then, told Sheryl, who had had some heavy romance scenes with the protagonist in the last episodes, that she wouldn't lose to her either in songs or love. Then the protagonist called the both of them his wings.
And in some interviews the staff said it was pretty clear who Alto had chosen if one paid attention to the series (Sheryl, basically), but there was another interview where the writer said he had left the triangle unresolved on purpose. There as a shitstorm, of course. Sheryl wins in the movies, by the way.
but Frontier built its popularity around the triangle. The one in delta is described as "pale", so we will certainly get a clear winner before the series ends.
Also according to chinks, Hayate's VA said that hayate will choose in episode 22 so we have 3 weeks to find who te winner is if that is true.
>Also according to chinks, Hayate's VA said that hayate will choose in episode 22
That's fake report, not saying he won't choose though(very likely he will choose before it ends), but please don't have high expectation for episode 22.
>Walkure sings the song of death and uses it to make windies kamikaze each other.
I'd love it just to see the looks on dem faces when they realise musical weaponry is a two way street.
Don't know who gonna win though. The second OP is about resonating also Delta's story is about teamwork and love that transcends star systems(星系を超える熱きチームワークと恋) but Kawamori can't be trust so I'm gonna give up on triangle and enjoy the show instead.
The show hasn't been doing itself any favors with the pacing of the second cour, but at least for the first volume it should have hit over 13k sales by now (number of people who signed up for the event raffle jumped from 2,000 on the 27th to 5,500 on the 5th). I figure it will settle down to 14k in a month.
There is also the possibility of a sales boost if there is finally a decent payoff for all these low budget buildup episodes, but I wouldn't count on it.
Maybe they could do some more event raffles for future performances.
Roid is the leader of the Aerial Knights, the Holy Knight as the Prime Minister. While Keith is the White Knight who only has the White Knight Squad. What the fuck do you think?
What is Freyja to Mikumo?
We know Freyja sees her as a literal idol figure and a mentor but why does Mikumo care about her?
Little sister, kouhai, daughteru, precious hoina she has to protect, girl who can show her a reason to sing?
>and Minori says how Mirage is becoming more assertive, which is the opposite of Freyja's development,
I swear to god if they try to pull that same shit with Freyja that they did with Ranka that is "put her at her lowest moment and then she temporarily ends up as part of the bad guys and getting fucked over character-wise" thing, I will probably never watch a Kawas show again
It would probably take some kind of writing miracle to have me seriously buy that though and I don't like the idea that Mirage winning because she has nothing else going for her in her life otherwise because that's just pathetic
I really don't like the comparisons to Misa on that note because one important part of SDF was that Minmay did not see Hikaru in that way
So wait you have one of the main heroines literally dealing with serious stuff, life and death situations while the other only cares about the MC's D?
Mirage's 'problems' are so laughable, I can't take her seriously.
Mirage's issue is "learn to fly freely", yeah, still not that big deal compare to Freyja, but that's not the problem, the problem is, the writers seems dropped this and still wasting her screen time for triangle, not personal development.
It still doesn't change how I view her. The writers decided to have her only around Hayate and give focus on her feelings about him. Her only problem is that Hayate and Freyja are close and has to put a fight now.
I can't help but compare them now. Her problem is literally high-school level.
Its more than Freyja had. She wanted to become a member of walkure and she does, is accepted by everyone and is sad about the whole war thing but hides it behind a big smile. Its not really much.
Just because Freyja will start admiring her, it doesn't mean I will do the same.
I am willing to see this change but it doesn't tell me much about Mirage. She is only there for the triangle and that's her focus. Her problems are jokes to me.
Come on guys, they can't keep the "songs are evil drama" going on forever, they have a second album to shill. This is just a path for Mirage to catch up to freyja in the bowl and for Mikumo being used as a weapon by lady M or berer or whoever the big bad is.
I already miss Mikumo.
Because there is no reason. The writers are "developing" her as someone who should win the bowl because she can't do anything without him. Which is the total opposite of winning on her own merits.
> Minori is commenting that Freyja loves Hayate, Mirage, and songs but she is thinking that to Freyja there is something more important to her now than romance with Hayate.
This reinforces one of my theories: Freyja is the one who will call the end of the triangle and not Hayate.
Next episode is supposed to be Mikumo heavy, hopefully we will have the pleasure to admire her splendor.
As of now, she didn't do something to win him over... She did try though, but she failed.
If she wins by failing at everything, then I may riot. However, if she wins by finally doing something good, I may not hate it
I am a Miragefag but I think Hayate x Freyja is just too strong (which I don't hate, this pairing gives me diabetes). Mirage needs a miracle of good writing to make her win in an incredible, believable way.
I mean. Look at her and tell me she isn't the sexiest space elf out there, and you want to see her happy.
>but at least she will change, and i hope it's true.
That gives me hope.
I just want her smile. To win something. To have more screentime and do cool shit like Messer or Hayate or Freya.
It does not matter if she has to win by her own merits now. The writers literally dictates the show as they can do whatever they want with Mirage by pulling out an asspull win.