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Let us all be real here. Let us not sit and pretend like this is an actual real triangle, with the winner not already clear. This is just like Oreimo, where the winner was clear from start to end!
For people comparing the triangle to past generations - Misa can't be compared since she her story was added halfway through. As much as people shit on Ranka, nobody can deny that Ranka was a developed character. Ranka Lee had a personality, and substance, and development. She was also involved in the plot.
The triangle in Delta is an illusion, and Mirage fans are setting themselves up for failure and I don't even like Freyja that much.
Fair triangles are like Nisekoi, where both sides can present accurate and decent reasons. And for people pushing Mirage to win, you have to think realistically about Hayate's feelings. Hayate shows no romantic interest in her at all, even his friendship dynamic with Freyja is stronger.
>The triangle in Delta is an illusion
Its like poetry, it
makes me cry
>Let us not sit and pretend like this is an actual real triangle, with the winner not already clear.
Except people were writing exactly the same about Mirage until at least episode 8.
Let's be honest though, people were shipping Mirage and pushing her as the winner simply because "older girl always wins!" As far as Delta goes, Mirage has given 0 reasons on why she should win the triangle, fuck she's not even in the triangle. This triangle is fake as fuck. It's always been Hayate and Freyja..... Oh and Mirage (with Hayate and Freyja not even aware of her existence in the equation)
We're on to episode 17 and the only thing she's done is cry because shes realized she likes Hayate but Hayate's now WOW FREYJA DOKK DOKI
what would happen if you cut off her rune?
Hayate, Mirage and Freyja got captured together by windies so people expected some love triangle development as well as Mirage doing at least something.
Also at the same time we got those 2 interviews about pale triangle and "no soap drama". Lots of people were afraid that girls won't fall in love with Hayate at all.
It's not about fitting narrative. SDF wasn't meant to be a triangle until they thought of it halfway through. The series after SDF can be compared because the triangle was thought of from the start.
I'm actually being very genuine and sympathetic towards Mirage fags. Love triangles are my favorite genre, i've watched so many love triangles i've lost count and its the genre that made me watch SDF and it's sequels.
As much as people shitted on Ranka, and claim Sheryl was the winner from the start, its not true. Ranka actually had a fighting chance, and was developed. Ranka winning could have been a possibility, but Mirage doesn't share this same quality.
I'm not a fan of this triangle, and i'm not even rooting for any of these girls, which is why I can see the reality of it. Fans tend to get distracted, and invested in the triangle, that they begin to miss facts.
Freyja fans are out of hand, hyping Freyja to the max. However Mirage fans are honestly setting themselves up for failure. Its not about how these girls feel, it's about how Hayate feels. And they are constantly showing the contrast between his reactions between Freyja/Mirage.
As much as people say Mirage is undeveloped, she really isn't. However she won't win the triangle. Hayate see's her as just a friend. In fact his friendship with Freyja, is on a higher level than his friendship with Mirage. Episode 16 points towards his blossoming love interest in Freyja.
Even during episode 13, when he hugges Mirage. It was in a friendly way, while that same episode, a few seconds later speaks with Freyja in a flirtatious way.
That's true. SDF has to be considered, where Minmay lost because she and Hikaru weren't on the same level and their relationship dragged each other down, unlike Hayate and Freyja who concentrste okn each other, connect well, and make each other stronger/better in what they love to do.
I'm Mikumofag and I think Delta's writting IS bad
>At least we can agree that Delta >> G-Reco
No. I'm not a retard.
>Minmay lost because she and Hikaru weren't on the same level and their relationship dragged each other down, unlike Hayate and Freyja who concentrste okn each other, connect well, and make each other stronger/better in what they love to do.
MOTHERFUCKING THANK YOU. I've said this a few times but people are so stubborn and keep saying MISA WON IN THE END, OLDER GIRL ALWAYS WINS! And I'm over here like Bitch, Misa won because the communication between Hikaru and Minmay was absolute shit. There was never a midway point where they met each other. HikaruMinmay was full of cracks and miscommunication which is what ultimately helped Misa win the bowl.
This time around however this situation doe not exist for Mirage. Hayate and Freyja is like this fucking fortress of a relationship that has no Cracks or weaknesses, they complement each other down to the T. Comparing it to the SDF triangle is fucking stupid, they're a far cry from even being slightly alike.
So we are finally getting official translations for the lyrics
I really doubt Delta would have sold that much more if there was a real triangle. People's tastes have changed over the years.
It's obvious the real problem is that the writers are trying to do too much with too few episodes.
>What is even the point point of this love triangle
>What is even the point of Makina and Reina
>What is even the point of the twins
>What is even the point of Chuck's sister's crush on Messer
>What is even the point of Mirage
>What is even the point of episode 14
>Chuck's sister crush on Messer
>Chuck's sister death
>No one will ever complement your existance and embolden you on what you love to do like Hayate and Freyja do for each other.
Brb, getting a noose to hang myself.
There are more than 20 named characters. Of course most of them will be undeveloped. All other anime don't focus on more than 4-5 characters too. The difference is that usually supporting characters do not have names (or faces at all).
We have only 26 episodes, it's just plain impossible to develop everyone.
>the action is static
How can you even say that after ep 13?
>the plot is meandering
Literally everything was connected so far. And it will continue to be.
It's funny how you Miragefags go after simple comments to shitpost about Mirage winning and yet you never answer posts that give compelling arguments on why Mirage will not win and you also do not reply when asked to give proof on reasons why Mirage should win the bowl without bringing your memes into the equation.
Just a simple observation.
Frontier had Sheryl, and she really pushed the character development forwared.
In delta there is no character like Sheryl.
Unless Mirage becomes a hard tsundere, there will be no character development in Delta.
Mirage won't really go after Hayate, and nothing will happen.
You'll never have a girlfriend with a rune to tell you when she's craving the D.
"Freyjafags" or whatever they feel like calling themselves here keep eating a subpar product, full of holes and cliches aimed to 10 year olds and very young girls, like it was made of gold and they never not even for a second take a step back to see the big picture.
How about Freyja? Or is you brain too damaged with Ranka XD memes?
Hayate joined Delta only because of encounter with Freyja. Her words is the reason he decided to find his place in this world. Freyja is the reason Hayate decided to fight in this war. Freyja is the reason Hayate could overcome his first kill. Freyja is the reason he managed to get gud. Hayate's character grows in unison with Freyja.
And it's not only Hayate. She has impact on all characters around. Freyja even melted a little bit of Mikumo's shinpiness.
Actually Hayate decided to help end the war because he wants to go back to dancing as soon as possible.
>It's okay if its shit
That's all you're saying
>How can you even say that after ep 13?
Because it looked like I was watching a PS2 game
>Literally everything was connected so far. And it will continue to be.
No and no
Delta feels so empty because the characters are not explored enough, minus 1 or 2 exceptions, wich in consequence make it all worse to be quite honest because you keep waiting for stuff that should happen and must happen but just doesn't.
The disappointment is very real as the plot is hollow.
I truly wish this wasn't a Macross entry but a different series so my hopes didn't matter, but expectations are not being met this time not by a long shot not even close.
I''ll see it all trough the end for Mikumo because she made a very strong impression in the premiere and I have genuine curiosity about her story but not much else so far.
I don't watch this show but the girls are all really cute looking.
It's the opposite. The only thing Miragefags care is how much screen time their character gets. They actually don't even care about development because they obviously missed major change in her resolve in episode 12 as well as completely ignored development of her feelings in episode 16.
Meanwhile Freyja fans don't dislike Mirage and even pity her a little bit after this episode.
Nice NO U. If you can't calm down your butthurt that Mirage loses then I recommend you dropping this show.
If we are going by the current stalker points for amazon, around 13k would be a reasonable estimate for the first bluray assuming there weren't massive cancellations like with Kabaneri.
2849 (309) points specifically went to the amazon-only version which would come with a special wall scroll if all the blurays (dvds) were purchased, so that indicates to me that there are a considerable amount of people who are interested in the bonuses.
And there are a lot of stores that would come with a different (and better) bonus, so to be frank, it's hard to predict.
At Tsutaya for instance, it's at #1 now, with Love Live Sunshine second, while it's somewhere around #30 on Gamers.
On the other hand, it seems like the sales for a show that comes with an event ticket raffle in its first volume is probably boosted 1.5 times normal, so I can see it hovering above and below 10k for the second volume on unless Delta does prove to pick up and do much needed character development.
I wanted something like this as soon as we found out about Freyja being a Windie meant she had superior physical abilities. I still pray for something like this to happen.
Hayate is also pretty cute
I looked at your reasoning on why the older girl should win because of her body. And I came to the conclusion that both you and your argument are stupid. And I'm at peace with that.
Delta is really not a bad show, but I don't enjoy it as much as I used to. They're focusing too much on Freyja as opposed to the plot for my tastes. The main plot/mysteries have barely advanced at all.
Delta had a lot potential but did not deliver.
I'm getting tired of Delta and I'm specifically getting tired of the show drawing out both the love triangle and the mystery of Mikumo. The writing is obviously going out of it's way not to fall down one way or the other for the love triangle and I just wish the show would decide on one of them and start setting it up instead of constantly trying to thread a needle with both. Mirage specifically asks Hayate if he fancies Freyja and he says he doesn't think of her as a partner, and is left kind of wondering and unsure when Mirage says that finding her fun is possibly the start of a relationship. His musing reaction says he isn't trying to hide something but just hasn't thought of her that way. He might not think of Mirage as a woman, but he doesn't seem to think of Freyja as one either.
>He might not think of Mirage as a woman, but he doesn't seem to think of Freyja as one either.
Did you watch the last 5 minutes of the episode? Or are we just ignoring that now?
It's pretty obvious that he's homosexual.
It's fun to see people complain about Mirage not getting any character development when Freyja didn't change any as a character, she just achieved her dream of joining Walkure, was accepted by everyone and has just been making funny faces and holding up the love triangle since. Yea, she's hiding her sadness with smiles, but it doesn't actually appear to be affecting her character or indicating any growth because of the situation.
Kek. You're terrible. You actually got a small laugh out of me.
Can you imagine though? Arad, Hayate and Kaname in a triangle fighting over Arad's dick.
Anyway, I thought that scene was cute. Like a father teasing his son about doing something for the girl he likes.
How exactly did you arrive to the conclusion that Freyja has had no character growth since episode 1? I'm curious and intrigued by how you've chosen to forget and turn a blind eye to everything that's happened in the past 16 episodes.
I simply responded to a comment with a fair question. If you don't want to discuss a topic or you think it's stupid, then don't reply or insert yourself in it. Scrolling past takes even less than a second.
>useless and irrelevant characters
>can't sign for shit
>worst Walkure outfits
>don't even do mechanic and hacker things anymore
Makina and Reina are a mistake.
And now you know why Reina and Makina only ever do V's.
Better in non-battle part(what's that's PA Works show after all).
And the show sometimes love to troll SJWs.
The way things are unfolding there is a small chance that Frontier will become the last Macross series
worthy of the name,ever.
On paper this should make a big Frontierfag like myself very happy but it feels all kinds of wrong.
Delta is a lot better than Frontier. I was actually worried that it was going to be worse than Frontier since the announcement, but I'm glad Delta is turning out the way it is.
I disagree. Almost all of the mian characters have had significant, ableit slow-burning, development. It might not seem it watching it week to week, but I bet if you were to go back and watch what we have altogether you'd you that there's has been some remarkable progression, especially given the amount of characters. I agree there certainly could be more, but we also needed that worldbuilding and sense of galactic scale, so it was a necessary compromise.
Windermere is also a joke, just different way of joke you know.
Yeah, I've been getting the feeling that alien invasion is like "Sup, we're gonna take you guys over and shit. Here's some robots to fight. We might send some more later, whatever."
You can't really take Windmere seriously as villains when they're led by a shota and a fujobait character who lives in a LensCrafters store. But it's not like they're the final boss anyway, we all know they're just stupid fucks being played by that [hand rubbing intensifies] arms dealer who is just waiting to backstab them and claim the Protoculture.
Let's not go there now, Mikumo is Sheryl's heir in spirit
and the only thing keeping some people watching Delta
Is this your first love triangle series? Love triangles usually don't end until the last few or last episode. Mikumo is the final puzzle of the plot. Revealing all her secrets now, especially since we are 10 episodes away makes zero sense
>mfw people still think anyone else than freyshit will get spotlight
I feel like Delta is a lot stronger plot wise than Fronteir ever was. And the main characters are a lot more likeable, but I can't help but feel the entire secondary cast in Delta suffers. I hardly know the other Walkure girls or the rest of the Delta staff, they are just there to show up and remind us they are there. and the Windmere are just a joke.
In comparison, the secondary in Frontier shown way better, Azuma and the villians Leon and Grace. I guess it's a trade off?
It's kinda sad how we are 10 episodes away from the show ending, and everyone is pissy and complaining about bad writing just because of a dumb triangle. Nobody is discussing the actual plot, the pacing of the show etc. It's my girl is underdeveloped blah blah, these characters are pointless etc.
How many shows out there has every single secondary character fleshed out to it's core?
Explain underdeveloped and shallow? Because the only characters that fit those criteria in Delta are Chucks sibilings, and the two set of twins, along with the bridge bunnies. A lot of you guys are complaining about character development and can't even write for shit, or don't even know what good writing is. Completely basing a shows writing off your feeble brains of what makes a character substantial.
You're being very unfair, and basing traits on what you feel are correct.
I'm going to marry Freyja and there's nothing you can do about it !
Not our fault that the show wastes episodes with silly fanservice or birthday parties. It has been 3 episodes since Windermere conquered Ragna and no one (Windies, Delta, NUNS,Epsilon, NUNG...) has done anything yet to advance the plot.
Macross isn't a killing show and neither a pure musical.
If it fails fleshing out characters and developing compelling relationships it brings the whole thing down a notch or several notches.
Just caught up with the show (haven't watched anime for 3 weeks or so) and after reading the thread I have to ask: Am I the only one enjoying this right now? I don't mind the slower episodes, Infact, I think that ep 16 is the cosiest shit i've seen since K-on! and that's saying a lot. I mean, yeah, the side characters aren't the strongest but i've seen worse. Didn't like the new op though and the new ed isn't Earth, Wind and Apples but it's still nice, reminds me of Borderline. But still, there was still stuff going on, some backstories was hinted about and it was still enjoyable.
Let's just hope that they'll pick up the pace in the next episode. It was a nice change of pace but it's about to outstay its welcome.
I actually bought the CD because I'm a poorfag, even though I haven't even watched the fucking show. The music is real impressive. Whoever wrote it is a very talented composer. Neostream especially is insanely clever with that theme blending.
How to fix Delta's too many characters problem:
>Makina and Reina are bridge bunnies, delete the current ones
>Delete the twins and Cassim
>Merge Mirage and Chuck, we only need one bro character
>Merge Kaname and Arad
The bridge bunnies are fucking tops though. Look at that tummy, man.
As a 100% Mikumofag, the reason she's gotten shitter in my eyes is becase, as a total weapons grade autist, I can relate to the whole vapid "vapid genki bitch gets all the attention and love, while the introvert who would probably be pretty cool if you made a bit of an effort to talk to her gets left in the corner to suffer" theme that's going on. Basically, it's objevtively an injustice that Mirage has to suffer so.
I enjoyed it too, the problem we have here is the secondary characters didn't get any development while Hayate and Freyja suck all the screentime because they're MC. Look like they gonna work with the plot again so I think we will get other character's development for sure.
Character Analysis: Mirage
When the audience first meets Mirage, we quickly realize that she is a very serious minded girl who takes her job seriously. She does however has a soft side, and will apologize if she is wrong. We also learn that Mirage takes piloting very seriously, and that she is the newest and least skilled of the Delta Platoon. She doesn’t agree with having Hayate join at first, but eventually realizes his potential after her defeat during his exam. After her disagreement phase with Hayate, the two start forming a comrade/friend based relationship. We learn that Mirage is an excellent pilot, who flies by the book perfectly, however this type of flying still won’t work against seasoned pilots. Along with this she is also fairly clumsy. The audience also learns that Mirage is very uptight with almost everything, however under her serious exterior, lies a girl who is just an average girl. She enjoys girly and kawaii things. While her relationship with Hayate evolves from comrades, to friendship, she slowly begins to realize she not only admires him as a pilot, but might also like him romantically. The biggest and probably the most important revelation we have learned from Mirage is her connection with the Max and Mira family. Mirage is their granddaughter, and as a pilot she is faced with high expectations by many. Mirage is very self conscious about this since she isn’t an natural pilot like them, and restricts herself when she flies. She will forever remain trapped, unless she frees herself. A mystery that remains hidden about Mirages past is the indecent that took place during her time serving the NUNS. Something happened, which caused her to let down a whole lot of people, and either be removed or transferred to chaos. This is something that haunts her to this day, and probably aids in her trapping herself, and the way she flies.
The Mirage from episode 1 is different from the Mirage we know in episode 16
Character Analysis: Mikumo
When the audience first meets Mikumo, we quickly notice that of all the Walkure she stands out the most. Not only in her design, but general aura. Mikumo dives into the battle field ready for action, singing and dancing among the battle. We eventually learn that Mikumo is strict and takes being apart of Walkure very seriously. She was the most disappointed in Freyja’s performance during the audition, and the one who came up with a plan to get results from Freyja, in order for her to pass. We learn that Mikumo is very perceptive and tactical, as she was able to figure out that Hayate and Freyja have a connection and created the plan during episode 3 for Freyja to witness what her duty is as a Walkure member, and the duty of the pilots. We further learn that Mikumo is constantly disappointed in Freyja lack of fold wave production, and gives her a tough time because of this. Mikumo has a burning passion for singing, and expresses her emotions through singing. On stage, Mikumo serves as the glamorous and confident eye candy and lead vocalist of the group. However off stage her personality in more of an introvert, with an Ojou-sama personality. Mikumo does however care a lot for Walkure, and the members of Chaos. She is also willing to put her life on the line, in order to save the other girls, especially Freyja. As the episodes go on, we begin to see Mikumo’s softer side, along with her interacting more and more. There is way more to this character than all the things i’ve mentioned, and she is definetly the most complex and three dimensional character of Delta.
Mikumo is more than just a plot device.
>so I think we will get other character's development for sure.
I posted the interview a week ago but the second cour is or at least the director and series composer claim it will focus on fleshing out the other characters.
Character Analysis: Reina
Tsundere or Kuudere? When we first meet Reina, we notice that she is the most delicate and fragile member of Walkure, always being constantly protected or saved by Makina. We eventually learn she has a Kuudere like personality, with a slight twist (she’s also tsun). Her dialogue, which can go unnoticed by most of the audience, due to her design yells Kuudere voice style, with tsundere remarks. Reina is also the lead hacker of Chaos, and leads a lot of the computerized operations. Reina has a passion for singing, she loves cute creepy things, and her favorite types of food are raw. Except for Freyja, Reina is the second most fleshed out Walkure. We know her likes, dislikes, what she considers home etc. Reina is a very underrated character, who people unconsciously choose to ignore because of her unideal design. Short hair, green color scheme, tomboyish look.
Or accept that very minor characters are not meant to be developed and just there to fill the space and act as a greek chorus. It's either name them and put them in the background or fill the space with even more generic blank-faced "crowd" bodies.
There was an episode where Mirage heard flashback voices, of an even that occured. It is implied that Mirage was needed for something and failed.
It's a pattern, Ive noticed with Delta. Small information are dropped all over and some might go unnoticed, or seem unimportant. But i've been stressing it for awhile now. Almost every line or dialogue is important in this show, you just have to pay attention.
I want to believe in Kawamori and tell you to get a grip here because there is no chance and I mean 0% chance that he by himself (or his circle of trust (or his test audience)) hasn't realized what's going on and the problem we are seeing just now but since months ago.
my reaction to episode 16
Kay here the one more problem is Kawamori's main heroine favoritism. Just like Mikono or Sheryl in movie everything exist to suck her dick, now Hayate and everyone are sucking Freyja's dick harder and harder. Also where the fuck is Messer's merch.
Mainly, I've watched SDF, Plus and parts of 7 (my friends were watching it and I watched a little from over their shoulders from time to time) and when Delta was on its way I thought: "Hey, a chance to watch a Macross show as it airs". And that's pretty much it
>Sheryl in movie
But Sheryl in the movies and Sheryl with Alto together by extension had already proven themselves by every possible measure in the series and survived hell and literal nightmares in their time.
Their path in life is one of the most complete and satisfying things we'll ever see in fiction.
She can suck up all the screen she wants because she deserves the golden spot she has by her own merits and the miracle itself that's the Endo~May'n combination.
Would Hayate have the balls to do this?
I bet nobody would be complaining if the two girls' personalities were reversed.
>Mirage, the cheerful adult idol, a central character to the plot
>Freyja, the introvert pilot, a brat who's following Hayate everywhere.
Everyone would just laugh at Freyja crying in the last scene.
That's true. Basically shipper logic is
Older/Sexy = Should win even if her personality sucks
Younger/less developed body = Should lose and is fucking annoying for trying to compete for someone's love
A lot of anons may deny it but that's what's got their panties in a twist, that Freyja is "winning" even though she's not the sexy one
>You know it's the result of stuff adding up until make a pile not from a scene or episode alone.
That may be true to some people but let's be honest, like 80% of the outlash came from the fact that this episode was a huge leap in the HayaFre direction.
While it is true that the anime is far from perfect, the outlash this episode caused is too coincidental to just be "a result". Specially since it wasn't even an episode that put anybody down.
Supporting cast were as normal. HayaMira got her screentime and interactions, I'd say the same amount that HayaFre got. The difference? That Freyja took a huge step forward and that didn't sit well with the Mirage supporters.
Simply stating the way I saw it. People are free to disagree.
>the camel's back had to break at some point
Yeah? On an episode where one girl isn't winning.
It's fine, I'm not really going "fuck all of you". It's understandable, it happens in every anime ever in existence where there's shipping and one party pulls ahead of the other. Of course fans will get angry.
While all the comments being thrown at Freyja aren't particularly nice, they aren't as nasty as they could be (ie. Sheryl vs Ranka) so for now we're still at a civilized level.
I just hope the triangle gets resolved soon and characters get a bit more development because this whole "pity for bla bla!" is getting a bit annoying.
Overall, I think Delta has done a decent job. Not the best, but definitely decent, much better than like 90% of anime that airs.
I'm sure that's why the kanamesser art is flowing slower along with the guys that love Makina's proportions and mikumo fans baerly posting and the other people that always used to post memes and relax around, gone.
And the Arad and Jhonson fans.... well doesn't even exist because nothing is never happening with them either!
>I'm sure that's why the kanamesser art is flowing slower along with the guys that love Makina's proportions and mikumo fans baerly posting and the other people that always used to post memes and relax around, gone.
KanameMesser was a thing that lasted 2 episode. Messer's dead. Kaname is alive. Kaname likes Arad and never showed indications of actually being in love with Messer. Of course the fanarts would slow down.
Makina and Reina. They are supporting characters that do not particularly move the plot forward (Yes they are a part of Walkure, but they do not influence the driving point of Delta). Have they been shafted and treated terribly? No, they have not. They've been made likeable, have had their cute scenes, and are constantly shown being happy and cute together.
As for Mikumo? Mikumo is becoming more relevant than ever. We've been getting hints here and there and she's slowly being pushed to the front.
Mikumo's the big mystery of Delta, of course her story isn't going to be one episode of "Here y'all go!" It's going to be slowly built up until we get a climax.
I see where you're going. Mirage might be a fun character were Hayate to talk to her. She's probably an unashamed Jeniusfag.
>Fire Bomber tracks
>A few flight sims and a computer
>Books on better communication
But nope, we never learn anything about her except "Here is silent introvert with family issues. You want development? Too bad. You like Freyja more. She idol. Mirage not".
>The largest development on the triangle to yet in the show don't count as advancement
>Setting up the major conflict for the second cour and upping the stakes, don't count as advancement
Mikumo has been putting in some work lately. She might have Makimaki beat at the end of the series. The shinpi we unravel, the more oppai she gets
>she's slowly being pushed to the front.
Not slowly, she's being pushed really heavy this month. Like it's crazy! She's promoted on everything these days, like Freyja. Mirage too the backseat of a magazine, that Mikumo was on the front page of
Let me tell you something a little offtopic about the japanese crowd.
They think the same they see all the positives and flaws much more than us (obviously) but their education and environment doesn't allows them to complain or show criticism.
"to live is to endure" being one of their mottoes they almost never protest against social injustice, government lies, trash tv, or anything from domestic origin. Journalism for them is literally reporting.
Their fandom patience is on religious levels for occidental people like us. And in case the situations hit the shitter and everything goes to hell, even if they hate it they are just likely to step down and make no comments about it.
>Not slowly, she's being pushed really heavy this month. Like it's crazy! She's promoted on everything these days, like Freyja. Mirage too the backseat of a magazine, that Mikumo was on the front page of
Tell that to the fans that are all "everyone is sucking Freyja's dick". Mikumo has been coming really strong lately but yet all they see is "terrible writing, worst macross ever, poor mirage, poor secondary characters, poor that one guy who was in that one scene waxing the siegfried why arent we getting any development on him?"
It's kinda crazy right? So we have this character, who is the final puzzle. She's the one who will set the show to it's climax. Heck she is the plot, yet everything is about her, happening around her, and not directly towards her.
You speak as if there's a consensus on how we all view the show. Next you're gonna tell me that those who do not agree with your adopted consensus are just bad people with bad taste.
That's because Mikumo is the undisputed 2nd main heroine, and third main character of Macross Delta.
Mirage is apart of the love triangle, but she's a secondary character.
>It's kinda crazy right? So we have this character, who is the final puzzle. She's the one who will set the show to it's climax. Heck she is the plot, yet everything is about her, happening around her, and not directly towards her.
Do you seriously expect the "final puzzle" to be revealed so early on? Of course not. It's how they keep fans hooked. Give them a little bit at a time, keep them guessing. If something is important/game changing, you can bet your ass it'll be revealed until somewhere along the last 4-5 final episodes.
That's because Mikumo sells. They even have a new figure of her. They stopped pushing the Mirage figure, and now they are focusing on the two new Mikumo figures.
The Mikumo push is all too coincidental. I have a feeling something big is going to happen with her next week.
Now that I remember Ikenai borderline ends on a sad note
>All I wanted was to be loved
Mikumo thought the best way to say goodbye to Messer was a song. She also had no idea what people usually did in a birthdady party so the best thing she could offer to her cute kouhai was a birthday song.
Mikumo can only sing and release fold waves, but she doesn't know what she's singing for. She's feeling something is missing and this feeling is love, not a a romantic one mind you, maybe motherly love toward Freyja but also towards the windermerians.
People have been saying the Mikumo secret won't be revealed at all. She probably going to hint towards it during the last minutes of the episode.
Nips and a lot of western fans think they are saving it for a fresh movie. Kinda like the last frontier movie.
I still think Mikumo won't make it out of delta alive. Her whole character screams "i'm going to sacrifice myself as an ancestor to save them"
Also she's recently grown very very VERy fond of Freyja, shielding her from attacks and looking at her fondly, even going as far to seek her out to talk. So I don't think Mikumo sacrificing herself for Freyja is too far out there, seems very plausible.
That's the whole deal with Mikumo. She's designed to sing, and that's the only way she knows how to express herself. Mikumo doesn't even know the real reason she sings for.
The lyrics for Giraffe Blues makes is even more depressing. Freyja sings to Mikumo:
>Taking it into your hands, you counted everything you can lose…
>you even hid all your tears… didn’t you?
And Mikumo responds saying:
>Even if I take hold of it, I won’t be able to erase the futility…
>so I hide it
They storyline between Freyja and Mikumo is going to be big. One of them is going to sacrifice them self for the other. Either way, it's a sad ending. A constant theme in their songs.
Freyja's singing looked to be getting too strong for Hayate? Anyone else think this?
Her song during at the park looked it was doing harm to his body.
He was blacking out , I thought he was going to pass out.
That's so sad. But Mikumo did have a very high interest in Freyja. That's probable why she tries not to get too attached to anyone.
It's not harming him. It's their resonance becoming stronger so now they're even sharing emotions. It's pretty much just a testament of them becoming closer so now they're "resonance bond" is becoming deeper
Hayate is immune to VAR/VAR mind control. The crystal isn't harming him in any shape or form. It's like you people didn't even watch Frontier and the whole fold quartz being a thing.
>The cheerful character who's interacting with everyone and everyone is comfortable with is receiving love
>what a bitch!
>The silent awkward introvert who doesn't even try socializing with the others and is just following her crush everywhere is left to suffer
Oh my God. You people are crazy. He's not scared of their resonance. He was overwhelmed by the sadness and desperation that Freyja unintentionally transmitted to him by her singing. Their bond is becoming deeper so the power of their resonance is growing as well, now up to the point where they can feel each other's emotions.
And some wonder why these threads are mostly filled with one profile of fan as the rest leave.
Maybe keeping it on reduces his lifespan so Freyja can live up to 45-50 if he never removes it?
Now this is some next level delusion
I think Freyja is going to sacrifice herself for Mikumo instead. We have constantly seen Mikumo protect Freyja, so it would be awesome character development if Freyja is the who protects her.
Especially since Mikumo is going to loose her fold wave ability. They did say Freyja and Mikumo will switch roles
I only recall Mikumo protecting her once. She did work on getting Freyja up to speed through tough love, and she's obviously proud of her. Freyja for her part always feels a step behind Mikumo. The role reversal is when Freyja has to hold together Walkure, covering for Mikumo. What circumstances will lead to this though
All i see is you keep using same picture over and over.
And fuck they even put JUNNA to Kaname's name which is another mistake.
So much for Mikumo is main character just like Mirage right.
It seems they'll be using this one for the art of the new edition of Mecha Colle models
Unless it comes with a bunch of bonus stuff, I probably won't be buying another BD. It's way too much money and I figured if I were to get one, I'd at least get the first.
Hikaru was a cool guy when he wasn't in-between women. He needed to man up with the minmei stuff but he learned eventually until she stormed back into his life for 'support'
>doesn't care about either girl romantically
>has done odd jobs because he wasn't content to live a life he didn't love
>finally found his purpose and growing
Yeah he's shit all right,
if all you're here for is shipping
Let's not forget
>gets over his first kill in 2 minutes instead of angsting for an entire episode
He even did well with Messer dying.
Hopefully he doesn't get too caught up on his dad's past though.
Miragefags, tell me one thing.
>winning triangle but end up getting no development
>the triangle ends in episode 16, she lose, then she get personal development after that
If there are no other options, which one you will pick?
>>winning triangle but end up getting no development
Pretty sure 99% of fans will goes really mad if this happens, not even Miragefags will happy for it(other than that shitposter in here).
Walkure would've been better without Pink and Green. Kawamori wanted an idol unit so he tossed in two characters who do nothing besides make it into a 'unit' size. Walkure should've just been a veteran and a newbie trainee.
Kaname is doing fine, she could just have a complex about how much better the Shinpi is than she ever was. Makina is actually carrying her weight as a mechanic, but she does nothing as an idol. Green does nothing. Oh, wait, she's a leet haxx0r who sings her way through firewalls, I almost forgot.
Hikaru. Thought he was an okay guy who was very relatable throughout most of the show. I had a bit of falling out with him after episode 27. Like I had cheered him on to get with minmay early on because that's what he wanted, but then he clearly ended up with Misa, and clearly he needed to start acting like a good man for her.
Basara. Not much to say. Completely static character, not very relatable. A super robot hero whose angle is singing. Felt the universe bent around itself so that it could prove him right. He does have a loveable douche thing going though, admittedly.
Alto. Probably my least favourite macross lead. For a long time I felt he had only two emotions, angry and blushing. He avoided a lot of mecha pilot shounen tropes which was nice, and he had complicated family issues that weren't the norm, so another plus if you like that.
Hayate. Might be the TV Macross lead I'm liking the most so far. He started out feeling like he'd be Alto 2.0 when I first saw him, but he's proven me wrong. He went from being listless and aimless, to finding something he wants to do, to taking it seriously, to dedicating himself to something bigger, to accepting he sometimes has to do something he doesn't want to. He didn't even hesitate to try and kill Keith in episode 13. He feels pretty dynamic.
Makina and Reina basically do about the same amount in terms of stuff outside of Walkure, especially since they're always together. There's only been a few extra scenes of Makina working on a VF or talking about planes.
She's OTP with Reirei in that show, 100% sure she is having fun with it.
The biggest mistake they did with Mriage is they created a character that need development.
What i'm saying is it's fine if they want to focus more on music(Walkure) and battle(Hayate) like how Kawamori implied in interview, in fact it's better in business way.
But then the sponsor still ask for triangle, so they made one, and no matter is Mirage purely created for triangle or not, the triangle still end up not focused, and Mirage is a character that need noticeable time to develop.
If they don't want spend time to develop Mirage, they should make her personality same as Inaho-yup, Aldnoah Zero's Inaho, then they don't have to develop her, just make her great in tactical since beginning, and make her realize "i'm for fall Hayate afterall" in say, 2nd last episode then lose it, then the triangle will be really faint and the complaining will be way less than now.
Messer is not tactical type, they should make Mirage great in tactical since beginning so they don't need to spend time for development her in battle anymore(if they planned this in last 10 episodes of the show), and we can even more focus on main plot.
Of course that may mean less personal show off, but i don't think it's bad trade.
You should watch the show, anon. The songs are even more awesome when they play in it.
I think they created Mirage purely because the sponsors needed a love triangle. She got the short stick of it and they run with it. And it seems to me she only get 'development' because of it.
She seemed interesting and had potential from the start but it never got there. The only changes we have seen of her is that she mellowed down after her battle with Hayate and now she became more dere/girlier.
I say Mirage's destiny is to win the love race in the end because of first the unconscious feelings bottled up in her heart which now looks transformed into selfless love, along with the blossoming camaraderie with Hayate even if she's still self-conscious around him.
Well, and her resemblance to Misa to a lesser extent.
But beyond that, there lies the problem that they keep setting her up in different fronts as her career, her family, her past failure that they rumored, her true passion (which i think is not piloting), and now her romantic feelings for Hayate.
For all the preparations they make she always ends up without depth in her things they don't explore deeper in anything about her. Everything about Mirage still feels like a great concept about to take off that keeps being delayed and isn't allowed to fly.
It's has felt like that since various episodes ago like a great constant injustice that for me has reached a threshold point.
From Kawamori's comment i don't think they created Mirage purely because triangle, however it seems they don't know how to develop her without involving triangle part(i assume they planned Freyja wins Hayatebowl since beginning), so she end up always package with Hayate and keep give her some irrelevant lines in non-battle scene.
I hope she'll open up to other people soon, I'm tired of seeing her around Hayate everytime.
Yes I know she had that talk with Kaname but it's fucking Kaname man she better stay away from her.
Can you please link me to Kawamori's comment about Mirage? It would change my opinion about her then.
If what you say it's truth then I see where the problem lies with her development which is only connected to Hayate and the triangle thing.
I hope she does. She seems friendly if you make her open up more and even tease her a bit.
No, it's her feelings of sadness getting transmitted to him. It happened in Frontier.
I can't read moonrunes so I'm trusting you with this one.
Then I hope they at least develop her more in the upcoming episodes. I don't know how because they have start pushing Mikumo as the second heroine lately but I want to believe she will do something.
As for the love triangle, I can't see her winning as long as Freyja is near Hayate. Plus, if the theory that Hayate's dad gave her the mp3 and nuked her planet comes true, then it's like 'fate' that united them (as Arad said before but with the words human and Windermere). Also, Mirage's comment.
Someone already translated in last thread.
>The awkward daughter of the Jenius house
>If I would make a female pilot then I figured I would make a daughter to the Jenius (Maxmillian Jenius' and Milia Farina Jenius' sixth daughter Miranda's daughter. Mylene Jenius' niece.) She has worries of being part of a Genius household, I thought it'd be interesting if she held unfree thoughts under her superfree grandparents.
And that's the point, if they want to don't spend times to develop Mirage, they should not give her current personality and piloting skills, they she make her "already development" since first episode, just like Inaho.
She's the melancholic type
I also feels she's depressing but that's just me. I want her to hang out with someone more cheerful and outgoing, someone she'll like to chatter with, not turn her head and sulk like she does when she's with Hayate and Freyja.
Makina could do, especially since she's paired with her.
Give poor Alto a break, he's in the middle of a fold quartz-induced emotional breakdown.
Thanks anon. I wasn't in the last thread.
Well they put emphasis in her family here and how it affects her in the story. I often wonder if piloting is something she wants or was expected of her because of her family name.
Of course. I think it will play a role in the upcoming episodes if it's connected with the
>Hayate is useless without Freyja
from the seiyuu comments in the event.
>I often wonder if piloting is something she wants or was expected of her because of her family name.
It's obvious that she has chosen piloting, because everyone expects it and you know she must to live up to Jenius name. She is doing what she doesn't like.
Freyja and Hayate feeding their autism each other and they're too hype may be she could catch them up if she's more close with them. Hanging out with Makina would be great if she's into mechanic thing.
Thing is, that she is good at it. And she seems to like piloting but I believe that the name of Jenius puts very unnecessary pressure on her shoulders and an unwanted expectation that mostly comes from her than her family.
Kinda like her family supports her and all, but it's her who puts the pressure because of the family name and doesn't enjoy piloting as she should.
But that's my theory. It could very well be what you said.
I really liked Ranka. She was cheerful but also insecure about a lot of stuff. She felt real, bit selfish at times. I don't feel the same about Freyja. She is too idealized as an idol, the attempt is there but not the heart.
She's always seen with Hayate, I don't want her life to revolve around him. Expanding her circle of friends is always a good thing or I'll forever remember her as the girl who followed the MC everywhere until she won his dick
Besides, Makina doesn't talk about machines all the time, I bet she makes a good listener and it won't make it awkwad to strike a conversation.
>this level of sheer, unchecked thirst
I like Freyja slightly more than I like Sheryl, and I like Sheryl a lot more than I like Minmay. I believe Minmay is the face of the franchise, and then Sheryl comes second in that regard. Freyja together with Mikumo are the faces of Delta though.
I can't resist fiction romances in the military either. It's like risking your life back-to-back at every mission produces the purest of feelings and bonding with your male/female fellow pilot.
The entire main cast is on the field in the middle of the battle, not just the pilots.
>Ranka felt like a real girl her age but I can't say the same about Freyja
How is she supposed to act? Does being 15 as a windfag mean she should act like an old lady or a teenager? Also people's personalities and mindsets are affected by the environment they spend time in, especially during war. There isn't necessarily a reason to have her as a petulant child.
Not only that, but she was singing to lift up the mood of her town's people after the war.
She is more mature for her age despite not being married and having children as most Windies back at her place.She probably had to endure more things because the war changed her life. For a 15 years old by human standards wanting to join a military unit such as Walkure really says something when she doesn't have much to live but still chooses it. Plus, she is the youngest of the Delta unit and Walkure. She is pretty strong, both emotionally and mentally.
I don't think she fully grasped what joining Walkure meant. She started out by following her dream, but then found a greater purpose. It's what her arch in the first 8 episodes was about. Why do you sing?
Ranka was cute
aimo was the Frontier equivalent of Delta's >muh wind. Not a goddamn episode could go by without AIMO AIMO NEED RURUSHU. she was channeling suzaku i tell you what
I meant to say that she had a goal that made her leave her planet and not settle down and get married with that apple farmer boy and have kids, like all the girls at her age.
What came after and she finding out why she sings, was the catalyst for her as she made her more persistent about singing and of course to try and stop the war.
If I could give Freyja a mental age by our standards I think 17-18 is good.
It was just released today I believe and it's still like 7 pm in Japan or something. I don't know what time Oricon posts sales either, but it'll probably be up within the next 12 hours.
He specifically said he couldn't think of her as a "simple friend but not a lover either." He's in transition, in Japanese for you, "more than friend less than a lover."
Which is entering on the love phase just as the episode ends. He is flustered twice with Freyja and shows longing toward her. As Mirage said, he could easily fall in love if he felt that way.
It's just the same Miragefags shitposters. I'm a Mikumofag but I root for Hayate/Freyja and Freyja daughteru of Mikumo moments. She and Kumo are cute as fuck. I want Kumo to marry those kids in a shinpi way.
She gets love because she's friendly, selflessly helpful and a really good person who is keeping her sadness down to put a smile on everyone.
Unlike Mirage who whines and mopes about retarded shit and is an autism.
Sophie's a know-it-all who is highly skilled in a number of different fields with training from special forces and shit. She also has a ojou-sama demeanor.
Mirage is a by-the-books pilot who bears the weight of her family name and struggles immensely with the only thing she's spent her life doing. She's also uptight (less now), but she isn't all high and mighty.
Unless by character you mean her role as someone sort of separated from the main two, but still fights alongside them, I don't really see it. In fact, as both shows progress I imagine they'll grow even farther apart in terms of similarities, for better or worse.
I haven't watched Kuromukuro since [gg] basically dropped it so I don't know if any of that has changed at all.
This. Hayate not giving a shit about Mirage besides buddy is pretty realistic. She doesn't try to get herself out the friendzone. While Freyja who has been nothing but helpful with others in their bad times (just look how she overworks to fill Chuck's sister place) is beloved because she earned it.
The only thing the Windies got going for them to me is watching how much Bogue respects MASTAH.
Freyja loves her though and Mikumo, despite her shinpiness, loves and protects her a lot. They have a family dynamics. She'll go apeshit if something happens to her daughteru.
The ending of the show is all about Freyja and Hayate. The story is about Freyja and Hayate. The opening has Mirage fading to the bond Freyja and Hayate felt. The show basis is about a pilot and an idol finding out about love as they team up.
Sure, Mirage, a supporting character whose entire purpose is to make Freyja and Hayate realize they love each other, will win.
>Sure, Mirage, a supporting character whose entire purpose is to make Freyja and Hayate realize they love each other, will win.
mirage sacrifices the race to ensure both Hayate and Frejya became happy ever after. Isn't that consider unconditional love?
This. Ranka was coddled by Ozma and spoiled all her life. Freyja was growing up alone as orphan in a warzone. That's obviously why she's so independent and mature. She basically raised herself. She figured out songs are more than fame and all that shit sooner because she as child experienced the emotional impact in a destroyed population.
Kawamori did make her a songstress rather than a mere idol who becomes a songstress since the beginning. She had to mature a bit more and be more self-aware of her motives.
I don't understand why Freyjafags defending the writing, what we complaining is nothing to do with Freyja, it's only have to do with part of the writing(Freyja's writing is fine), i know there is shitposter keep calling you guys delusional, but you guys should ignore it.
When will they start fighting over Hayate?
Even fucking Ranka tried to do something seeing how Sheryl trying to rape Alto-hime
Whenever Kawamori talks about Delta in any of the recent interviews, he talks about teamwork and teamplay and stresses that he will show that in the battles, and how we can look forward to triangles other than romance.
To me this this is him saying to not expect any more time being wasted on a stupid love triangle of butthurt and actually look forward to see dogfighting that doesn't mainly consist of Keith and Hayate circling each other ad infinitum while Arad makes a random comment and Mirage shouts Delta 4.
I just want the next episode to air already so we can stop about shitty writing again.
Holyshit fried apple.
Defending what? I know the problem about Kawamori sucking Freyja's cock this hard after this episode there will be Mirage's development for sure, just wait.
If it's 36 episodes show i will believe that, but it's 26 episodes show, only 10 episodes left now, and the show still have many question need to be answered.
Personally i think >>144528088 is right, they should let Mirage already developed since beginning, so it will be way less complaining unlike every Macross Delta thread after episode 16.
>I mean eventually?
what I meant was what If Mirage's role in this series is all about helping to develop hayate as a character and to make him get closer to frejya. Do you even read?
He said episode 3 is how he pictured the draft: competition between pilots in a club and the pilot being powered up by his team mate idol (like Freyja saved Hayate). You're mistaking 'teaming up' with "pilots taking a someone down together'.
He wants to make emphasis on pilot and singer. Not just with Freyja and Hayate, or Kaname and Messer, but also with Keith and Heinz now.
By Windermere standards Freyja is overdue for marriage. She's still a young girl but their short lifespan forces Winderemereans to get their shit together early if they want anything out of life. Freyja seems older for her age because she literally can't afford to just be a teenager. She is very aware that half her life has already gone by.
>he talks about teamwork and teamplay and stresses that he will show that in the battles
And end up it's Hayate with Freyja's buff fighting Keith every time, teamwork? never happened, and i don't think it will happen.
>Sure, Mirage, a supporting character whose entire purpose is to make Freyja and Hayate realize they love each other, will win.
>believing his lies
I don't mean now. She was a 7 years old who lost her family and experienced a traumatic event and sang to make other people feel better. Freyja is really fucking selfless which no doubt will lead her to be almost killed for Hayate to have a breakdown.
Minorin mentioned how much Freyja loves everyone.
He was talking about stuff like in episode 1 and maybe a little bit of episode 6, like he was noting that CG is pretty useful for having multiple planes (not just two) being shown at the same time.
Then again, we only actually saw any real teamplay in the first episode, so I thought what the fuck are you talking about?
So I'm just going to conclude there are going to be dogfights with a little more substance.
Ikr, rmb episode 13 when Chuck, Hayate and Mirage were going against Keith? Hayate said something to mirage about working as a team against keith and Mirage reluctantly responded lines similar to "easily said than done" ( I forgot the actual line)
Reminder that Windermere is a plauge that needs to be wiped out.
Pedophiles deserve only death. Fucking little girls and getting them pregnant and forcing them to get married at 11~13. Granted if they had kids at 16~18 they would die when their kids were 12~14.
Why did they even bother making Mirage a Jenius if they were just going to utilize her like this? She could have just been the daughter of [insert brilliant pilot you've never heard of before now] and her story wouldn't have been any different. Seems silly to throw in that heritage and have it serve no purpose.