What makes a good villain, /a/?

>>144439351
Their powerlevel

>make protag
>make the readers have feels for protag
>turn the route to an edgy one
>one event occurs
>everyone suddenly is against him/her

>>144439351
In a general sense I'd say either someone with understandable/relatable goals and reason why he would be go to villain lengths to achieve them, or someone dispicable who is at least fun to watch.

Most stuff in between is just rebel without a cause or cruelty for cruelty's sake.

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>Madara, Aizen
>good villains

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>>144439408
This

>>144439351
How threatening they are, how well-written/complex they are and their presence onscreen/panel

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>>144439631
Pain was the best Naruto villain

>>144439351
>Fucking Griffith

Just started the Berserk franchise, holy shit do I love it. Griffith makes such an iconic villain for me.

>>144440436
Keep reading. You will stop caring about him.

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>Sinbad
>Villain
>never killed a single person
>literally whole planet loves him
>a great ruler

>>144440574

Agreed

> Within three years, Sinbad had abolished slavery, encouraged the prohibition of conscription and developed a spherical economy; Yunan stated that it was Sinbad's true objective. He unified the currency of every county that was affiliated with the International Alliance using a system similar to the Kou Empire's "Huang". This caused free migration between countries which flourished businesses. Finally, after all that was done, Sinbad chose to abdicate his throne as the king of Sindria.

But he is halfway fallen to deprevity and is against Alladin

>>144439351
So, does one piss not have a villain?

>>144439351
>good villain
do you plan to post one?

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>>144440838

>>144439351
Sinbad is not a villain.
Neck yourself Baba

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>>144440906

Let me give you a villian that actually is has a reason for his actions and isn't an asshole for the sake of being one.

>>144439609
Ehh, Char's kinda mid tier, seeing as his war is one of both a retaliation against humanity and against Amuro. However his complexity makes him the best.

>>144440975
Come on, you don't love assholes?

>>144439351
Appropriate levels of smug.

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is this the best villain?

>>144439351
Someone who believes they're doing the right thing.

>talks about villians without mentioning DIO

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>>144441301

Dio isn't a good villian though.

Another example I would give is

>>144440436
>>144440540
I think Griffith is a pretty damn good villain. I hate him to death, and he's one of those characters I would kill with my own 2 hands if I could, but the fact that I legit care enough to hate him that much is a sign that he was written well.

Not the only determining factor by any means, but often, the best written characters are those that elicit an actual emotional response in the reader/watcher.

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>>144441301
>le edgy evil man who kills kids, women and animals for no reason
>good villain

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Best villain out there

>>144441393
And that's pure evil

>>144441338
DIO might not be a good villain, but I've always found him to be an entertaining antagonist.

Is that SAO's Aji Tae? It's been a few years, but I don't remember him being a particularly good villain. I do remember the final chapters, though.

I still think the explosion was a shitshow.

>>144441301

To be honest Dio's motives for his action are weak and in part 3 he was pretty much a saturday morning villain.
He just has probably the highest amount of references within the series in a large timespan compared to any other villain in the medium (maybe tied with Griffith) and comes off as charismatic.

>>144439351
>Madara
>Villian

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>>144439351
I don't know but I like these guys

>>144441443

He wanted everyone to be a demon because he felt human nature would cause anguish and strife throughout time. So he did a purge.

I felt he was well written 3/4 but the last quarter is my problem when he just kills everyone.

>>144441389
The hate has sort of fallen down with fantasia for me.

He is basically a different character and doesn't seem happy or sad. He seems hollow.

It feels like Femto died during conviction.

>>144439351
Who's upper right?

>>144441424
Nah man. That is more insanity.
Evil is knowing the consequences and caring about the other people and still doing what is best for you.

Say what you want about how Berserk has changed but Griffith is a good example.

>>144441590
I don't even watch/read it and I can tell it's from Magi.

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>>144439609
In what tier is kumagawa?

>>144441632
Oh. OP should pick a better known villain to play with the big boys.

>>144441512

>Faggy cat guy who follows the leader's beck and
call
>Maniac nazi guy who just wants to kill everyone
>Weirdo scientist guy who follows the leader's beck and call
>Random werewolf silent guy

Remind me where the good villain is?

>>144441550

I think it's just that the whole "I've achieved everything I wanted" part of Griffith's story has been taking so long and we've yet to see the turning point of that, which is most likely "you took everything from me" or "I had everything but felt nothing".
To me it's just Berserk's plot running too slow and focusing on too many characters.

My favourite villain is Ikumi Ooze

>>144441512
They were usually entertaining to watch but shitty villains and impossible to take seriously.

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>>144439609
Wrong.

Also someone change this one to anime?

>>144440540
>stop caring about grifith
Fucking newfags of Berserk.

>>144441802
I think I started reading in 2005 or 2006.
He doesn't feel like the same character. Again he is hollow.

>>144441417
Oh yeah. I liked how the autor fleshed out his character even though he died.

>>144441794
>ranking villains on accomplishment alone
>Gary being a villain when he's literally just a rival

Awful list Anon. Really, really awful. Don't try to correct any other lists with your shit taste

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>>144441794
Shit list

>>144441957

Its been so long since I watched this but what was his goal at the end? I vaguely remember a girl with with pink hair eating strawberry or something.

>>144441794
What a shitty measurement system, and how fucking strange that high tier is completely out of tune with the rest of the list.

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>>144439351

>Does the villain have goals that make sense in his own context?

>Does the villain have shades of character beyond just being "the villain"?

>Does the villain provoke an emotional response in the viewer?

>Will the villains eventual downfall serve as a message to the viewer about the dangers of an unchecked flaw/way of life?

>Will this message relate to the struggles of the hero, who overcomes the same flaws the villain succumbed to?

If yes to all, you have a top tier villain on your hands

>>144441301
DIO is complete shit. The only good thing about him is his VA in the 2012 and 2014 anime.

>>144440015
this

>>144439609

You're not judging the villains by how well they are written, but by how justified their actions are. This is an anti-hero tierlist.

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>>144439609
Where does that put Johan anon?

>>144439609

By your measuring stick, Luca Blight, Kefka and Griffith are awful villains

>>144440838
Well the problem is One Piece has a villain, a Chaotic Good/Lawful Evil antagonist, a True Neutral mentor/rival and possibly more we don't know about because we're only 55-60% done the series

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>>144439609
This chart should be removed from the internet for the harm its caused in creating thousands of hack amateur """""writers""""" and braindead fans who think making the villain "LE SECRET GOOD GUY ALL ALONG XD" is the pinnacle of literature.

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>>144440574
>>144440638
Sinbad might not be an actual villain, but he's going to fuck up somewhere and allow the villains to bring harm to the world, even if he himself ins't willing.

>>144442685
Pretty sure the main thing that chart's pointing out is what makes a good villain is having a good motivation for being a villain not just being evil or wanting power because lol evil exdee.

But entertain me, what makes a good villain if not just that?

>>144440015

he was during the time he was hyped to be pretty much a god. his fight with jiraiya was impressive too.

it's a shame what the sharingan loving author did to him.

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>>144442282
Those were the good days.

>>144442779
What I liked most was thinking back before he was revealed all the theories on how he was naruto's father or naruto himself or some shit like that.

The akatsuki were the best part of naruto.

>>144442779
Not anon, but I wish they could handle his redemption better though. The whole "my pain is greater than yours" felt cheap, preachy, and pretentious- especially how Naruto changed his mind through "believe in me!"

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>>144442282
>Is the villain a cute fuckable bishie who takes it up the ass?
If yes, 10/10 villain.

>>144442085

I have genuinely no idea why he opposed them. Did he even have some sort of endgame? I can't remember.

Why were they even fighting? Was it just because Graham was a criminal and needed to be arrested?

>>144442905
That was kishi's whole problem. He tried to make every villain redeemable in some way. I feel if he just let pain be a man so twisted by his fucking friend dying that would have been fine, but he brought everyone back at the end and that felt cheap.

The same thing happened to Madara somewhat, But at least he stayed that way till the end.

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>>144439351
This is so subjective.
I'd argue Kefka is a great villain, he was made to be insane by scientific experiments and tragically kills uncountable amounts of life to the point his hedonistic ways cause him to be bored with life itself. Finding Nihilism to be the only real answer.

Griffith isn't bad either, simply a man with a dream who is forced into such maddening desperation he would sacrifice everything he loved to acquire said dream. Turning into a creature that only wears Griffiths face as a mask, not really being him at all anymore.

My personal favorite is Genma from Ninja Scroll. No shitty edgy backstory, just a mercenary team of ninjas who coincidently happens to want revenge against the protagonist. It's simple, effective, and clear.
It's a warriors battle drawn to an anime.

The Bleach and Naruto villains in your picture were both horrible and try hard.
They were both born into power from a young age and only grew in power (even before whatever deus ex machina made them turn evil).
Hardly any character development for either.

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>>144442980

Madara was the only good think Kishi did in like 12 years or some shit like that?

>>144443182
Nah, I associate Madara with the downfall of the the War arc and the pile of shit it became thanks to the Uchiha wankfest Kishi forced on the story.

>>144439351
Having a brain

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>>144442771

Claiming a villain should have depth beyond "i'm evil teehee" is perfectly fine, in fact it's totally agreeable. But rather than follow this through to claiming a good villain has the same level of nuance as the hero, this chart takes it the wrong conclusion and starts outright stating that for a villain to be great they need to surpass the hero in moral ground. At which point why should the viewer even care about the hero at all, why not just swap the perspective around seeing as the other side clearly has a better story to tell.

But we can ignore that because the chart is also bullshit at its core. a lot of these "elder god tier" villains (because i've seen many more examples of this tired meme) were not in fact morally right at all as the source material so often points out, and the chart creator is just being an edgy contrarian.

Villains should be cautionary tales as much as heros should be examples of personal triumph against all odds.

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>>144443321

Madara was the glorious finale of the trainwreck that was Naruto though. The guy was a fucking rollercoaster of bullshit who pretty much pushed the whole ending into satire. It was ridiculous and Ioved every panel of it.

>Naruto: "We are trying to have a serious dialogue about feelings and friendship here!"
>Madara: "Naruto Imma gonna let you finish but I just want you to know that I got guy's face implanted on my chest."

The guy was so ham he turned into Lady Gaga's baconsuit.

>>144443548

He was a dumb villian with dumb motivation. Even dumber was how he was taken out, by the far the lamest villian in Naruto.

>>144443433
Basically what I heard once that stuck with me was that the villain is the hero of his story. I feel like thats accurate.

>>144443548
But that's the thing. Instead of giving us a coherent finale to such a long story, instead of giving us an actual compelling villain who has at least somewhat relatable goals and ambitions, who directly challenges what the MC stands for like Pain did, Kishi just went the way of Kubo and decided to spend the home stretch of his manga trolling everyone, including his Big Bad. You can say it was an entertaining novelty, but as far as getting the reader immersed in the plot and invested in the villain, it failed on all fronts.

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>>144441716
But I wanna make sweet love to the faggy cat he's so cute

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>MC's feels from the start the guy is dangerous and cannot read him
>Villain grows through the story and tries to understand himself
>Makes interesting moves the other villains in the story can't
>Slowly gets built up to be the main and final rival
>Epic 1v1 fight with the MC

This guy was awesome in Fate/Zero

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>>144443608
That's good advice as well, but extreme emphasis should be place on the fact that he is the hero in "HIS OWN STORY" not the story as a whole. This can be used to make a hero more tragic, because they mistakenly believe their actions are justified, or more repugnant, because despite the horrible things they do they continue to believe that they are the ones in the right.

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>>144443433
Just had to post this my favorite line in the whole series and my favorite character.

>>144443921

Naruto had gutter tier writing for over a decade. Having a "good end villain" can't save that.

>>144440638
>>144442763
We'll have to see but Sinbad is literally not a villain as of now.

Personally i think someone who's smart enough to erase all the world's problems in 3 years must have some plan in mind to counter Arba's shit considering he took her in too.

>>144441802
Not that guy, but I only started reading it a couple of weeks ago and am up to the "Tower of Conviction" arc or whatever it's called with the inquisitor guy and his band of merry torturers. Does Griffith ever get fucked up or has that not happened yet?

I'm a massive newfag to Anime and Manga in general.

>>144444364
Tywin Lannister was such an excellent villain. He was completely ruthless in destroying anyone he perceived as an enemy, and made his children's lives a living hell (without even going into detail on Tyrion) while constantly preaching about "family". His demise was entirely by his own hands reaping the seeds he had sown, but in his mind everything he had done was all perfectly justified in sending the family name higher.

But because his goals of seeing the Lannister name live on forever would boil down to "lust for power" the chart plants him firmly in SHIT TIER.

>>144445220
After that arc Griffith becomes 10000x more hate inducing as we start to see how little he cares about what he did to the original hawks. and his story lines become the most frustratingly unfair things to witness in the world.

He did receive one small, but satisfying piece of payback from an old friend in the recent chapters though.

>>144442282
>f/sn kotomine kirei

yup

>>144445472
Okay, thanks, but one more question. What are the odds the author is going to drop dead at some point before he finishes the story? Reading the entire thing just to have it end abruptly with no closure would be frustrating enough to make me rip my dick off.

>>144445243
I think that calls in question the chart more then Tywin just my opinion

>>144445673
Posts about Miura dying are just memeing or parroting year old posts that used to be jokes. He's just turned 50 and has no health problems so he easily has another 10 years of work in him, probably more considering his work ethic. More than enough time to finish given his current pace.

>>144445804
Exactly! Whether a villain is excellent or terrible lies in how well they're written, not what their motives boil down to.

>>144446086
But their motives are often tied to the quality with which they are written.

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>>144439351
Best villains are the ones who are just batshit insane in a fun way like Dio or Johan.

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>>144439351
His STAND

>>144441890
Based villain. We needed more of him.

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>>144439351

Sex appeal

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>>144442282

The factors that make a good villain are the same factors that make a good character in general but with the added requirement of a character willing to do terrible things to further his or her motives (if there is a motive to begin with).

How good is Shinobu Sensui? I know he was gay and all but that never seemed like a handicap to him, it actually made him look more badass

>>144439609
>Char
>Great
>Muh situation
>When he's just a hypocrite madman

Charfags, every fucking time

>>144439351
One who has ambition to see their plans come to life for whatever the purpose and is willing to do what they must to win.

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>>144440574
>Sinbad
>not a villain

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>>144448994

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>>144440906
how about villains that carries whole show?

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>>144439351

Contradictional type of villain who you despise/hate and at the same type you feel sorry and/or have a sympathy to him.

Under this "type" perfectly falls Kumagawa.

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>>144449041

>>144439351
Worst villains are evil because "evil". Best villains are evil due to their mad grasp for power, money, or some other attainable thing. A real motive is what drives good villainy and good heroism.

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>>144440906
He arguably goes to shit at the end, but for most of the first season he's fantastic.
Sorry it's not anime.

>>144439351
Aizen and Madara are pure shit

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Having properties of both rubber and gum

>>144439609
>No Johan Liebert
>No Hao Asakura
intothetrash.jpg

Post more Aizen filthy faggots!

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>>144441393
>>144441460
>>144442437

>Having a little fun with his powers before moving on to his ultimate goal of achieving heaven.
>shit villain

>>144449423
Fuck off.

>>144449423
Yhwach>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Aizen in every single way.

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How much you want to fuck them.

>>144449348
He feels like an anti-hero at this moment in time. However, I'd count him as a villain, if he trully will be the last opponent Gon faces.

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ITT: Best Villain

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>>144449597
It is worrying that you connect sexual attraction to villainy.
Lets talk about your mother.

>>144449570
Yhwach is one dimensional and came out of nowhere.

Aizen is shit to except for the part when he was defeated by Ichigo and talks about how strong people like him and Ichigo should strive to change the world rather than accept it.

It rationalized his actions for the first time in the series and it made sense in the context of the supposed flaws of soul society (shown in the rukia rescue arc).

But of course Kubo did nothing to expand that concept.

Trash villains. Only one had potential.

>>144449677
Gon's final fight is with Killua but yeah he isn't much of a villain since he has and currently is helping out the protagonists

>>144449969
Then that means he's not an antagonist. Villains are always antagonists.

>>144439351
Aizen is not a villain though.

>>144450055
No, they're not. Light was a villain and he was the protagonist. All an antagonist means is a character who opposes the protagonist.

>>144450158
Sorry anon, I miswrote. I meant to say villains are NOT always antagonists. The two sentences of my post (>>144450055) contradict each other without that "not."

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>>144439609
Where would this guy fall under? because he kind of fits all categories

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>>144442282
this

also Squealer best ningen

>>144450255
he's just mid tier

>>144444184
He was better in F/SN

>>144450255
I'd say mid tier with some great tier in him

>>144440574
>not a villain
His name is literally "Sin Bad".

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Is our god emperor a good villain, /a/?

>>144451418
He was good enough.

Intelligence, nihilism, and a wicked sense of humor.

>>144439609
Who's the elder god villain?

>>144452462

I think he's from gundam wing.

>>144450255
kumagawa tier, being a villian to prove something

>>144439351
Has convictions or motivations that don't make them look foolish and 1-dimensional.

>>144439351
Charismatic villains that make it hard for you to hate them entirely are sometimes one of the most interesting as well.

>>144439351
Bait image.

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Kano came out of fucking nowhere and destroyed the lives of eveyone. He's batshit fucking crazy and thinks that the world is just his imagination. He forced people to go into his twisted idea of Texhnolyzation, which is pretty much genocide.

>>144441848
No shit, he sold what remained of his soul and his companions to become the king of everything.

>>144453194
what the fuck was up with all the people above the ground?

>>144439609
Master Asia was ultimately right. He wasn't really a villain.

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>>144453284
they were living but had given up on fighting to survive. they were practically dead already.

>>144440015
This but only because he killed most of the irrelevant characters that ended up being effectively written out of the series by the end anyways. Also his solution to the whole ninja way thing was the only tenable one.

>>144442437
Not true. Yeah he's not complex but he's so unnaturally evil and such a complete bastard that you can't say he's shit. He's ridiculously evil too Hell, he fucking made a kid's life miserable just because he could and views himself as superior whilst trying to destroy an entire bloodline. He's fun as fuck.

>>144449890
>Yhwach is one dimensional and came out of nowhere.
Aizen is one dimensional too. Hell, we don't even know why he's there in the first place. Yhwach has been more fleshed out, and has done more in the story, in far less time than Aizen. Like you said, both are trash in comparison to other villains, even in Shounen, but Aizen is the absolute bottom of the barrel, while Yhwach is just mediocre.

>Sindbad
>villain

Good villain is one that can be sympathized. His motive clear and follow-able even by a regular character in series.

>Hao - Shaman King
>Griffith - Berserk
>Kotomine Kirei - Fate series
>Anti-spirals
>Lord Genome

>>144450429
no, not even close

in heaven's feel I could understand you but not in F/SN

>>144454301
>Good villain is one that can be sympathized. His motive clear and follow-able even by a regular character in series

Not always. What about Johan? I guess you can say his past and what his mother did makes him sympathetic but his motives are far from clear and follow-able. In fact, they are interpretive. But that doesn't make him any less of an excellent villain.

>>144439609
>>144441794
Both of these are fucking shit. They are one single factor of what makes a villain great, not the entirety of it.

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>>144439351
You dont need a deep, reasonable motive to make a villain good. Take Dio into account. He is just a power hungry vampire and is still really enjoyable.

I think it depends on many things.

Also, Sinbad is not a villain. He is at best an antagonist and maybe not even that. He is a really interesting character.

>>144439351
Nice aspect ratio nigger

>>144446715
I think what makes Part 1 Dio and Johan such a great villain is that they have a deep conection with the hero.
The theme that they have intertwined fates and that both the hero and the villain shape the other is what I think makes a good villain.

>>144450429
Holy fuck no. I thought Kirei was boring shit in FSN, didn't even like him until I watched Zero. Same with Gil.

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>>144449041
>>144448994
>>144449115
>MC of the series STATES he's not a villain admits he has made the world better

Sorry you can't be a villain if you've literally done nothing wrong and everyone in the world is happy you are the ruler and improved the world.

BTFO

>>144456930
>MC of the series STATES he's not a villain admits he has made the world better
So? The same faggot said he literally loves every single person in the world.

>>144457222
wow what a fucking hippy faggot
ALADdin

>>144441301
dio isn't a villian he didn't anything wrong, Now jotaru that's a villian.

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>>144457222
Because it's your own head cannon that thinks he's a villain.

There are far more examples in the series you could call a villain but you choose to pick a guy who many people in the verse are happy with.

>>144457222
A villain is a character who does evil things for evil purposes.

Sindbad is not a villain. He maybe considered an antagonist. Antagonist opposes the hero, Alladin. Doesn't have to make them evil to do so. The real villain is the qt milf.

>>144445243
>Tywin Lannister was such an excellent villain.
>villian
>Not hero
Tywin was the hero Westeros needed, and the one it deserved.

Martin making him fug Shae was the worst thing done to his character.

>>144458067
He had to shoehorn some way to make Tywin's shitty dwarf son look like a good guy for killing him.

>>144457693
>a guy who many people in the verse are happy with.
Many people in China were happy with Mao Zedong; look how that turned out.

>>144439351
If they're entertaining, memorable, or are a legitimate rival to the protagonist.
Even a villian with a shitty motivation can be well received if they're at least fun to watch.

>>144439609
>char meh tier
>literally trying to save the people of the world
he's a perfect anti hero and your list is shit

>>144454301
Hao was awful.

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A good villain is someone who is hard to fault. Someone who makes more sense then the heroes. A fallen hero.

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>>144439351
A good villain is one who directly challenges the hero both physically and philosophically, someone who presents an obstacle for the hero to overcome, but not before plunging them into their darkest hour of doubt and self-analysis.

>>144440015
Agreed. Pain was an amazing villain because of his backstory and his motivations as a protagonist. His motives made sense, and you could see the logic behind his actions. His goals left you with a question about morals, about sacrifices for the greater good, and if humans can ever stop fighting. He was a thinking mans' villain. His whole goal with turning the Tailed Beasts into a weapon of mass destruction was a harken back to World War II and the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and how only after experiencing extreme loss did the Japanese Empire truly understand the terror of war. Masashi Kishimoto talked about how his grandfather’s war stories inspired this.

It’s a shame Naruto’s quality took an extreme dip after this, because Pain really was the pinnacle of Naruto.

>>144445220
Lurk moar than, before you start posting you nigger

>>144445572
That final battle in HF

>>144464203
Pain arc had a shitty ending that ruined the entire arc.

>ayyy lmfaoo I'll bring back everyone alive

>>144465578
The ending doesn't take away from how great the actual arc was beforehand. You're a retard to think otherwise.

>>144453284
BRAVE NEW WORLD.pdf

>>144440265
Kill yourself /v/.

>>144465668
What how the fuck does it not. The ending is part of the arc

>>144465668
>>144466568
Nagato trusted Naruto with ending wars and realized by wiping out the Leaf village, he'd only create more bitter, resentful people like him so he saved their lives. What's so shitty about that?

>>144466804
>M-MUH TNJ!!!1

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>>144439351
>Griffith
>villain
Nice bait faggot

>>144466993
>mass murdering
>ritual sacrificing
>revenge raping
Griffith
>Not a villain
Nice bait autismo

>>144466804
>What's so shitty about that?
Bringing back everyone alive ruined the ending. Literally means everything before was pointless and all those fights where people actually died like Kakashi lose their value.

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>>144439351
How evil they act of course.

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>>144467556
Or maybe how good they act.

>>144439609
>mechashit
Literally no one cares

>>144439631
I agree that Madara was a bad villain, but Aizen was a great villain, mostly because of how devious he was in his plots within the Soul Society, and how completely calm and collected he was.

You need to have an antagonist that possesses fear, acknowledge others, have a goal, work towards it, and willing to do whatever he/she will to achieve it.

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>>144439351
Parallels with the MC

>>144451418
R2 did a lot of things wrong but it did make Jerimiah my favorite CG character.

>>144439351
Glasses.

>>144449496
He's about as shit as cartoon villains like Washizu and Hyoudou.

>>144439351
Batshit insanity.

Not being featured in a jump manga.

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>>144470163

>>144449106
I never hated kumagawa, from the begining I was rooting for him.

>>144471686
good lord no he was terrible, his whole ideal or plan was nothing more than a cover for his revenge against his father out of fear since fear runs in that family

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>>144472176
>he took the bait

>>144472206
I literally just finished the series so im still mad.

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hello.

>>144472274
Yeah I agree, The Joker is a great villain

>>144439609
>all this literally whos

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>>144439351 (OP)
What matters most is how entertaining they are as a character. Flash and Pizazz are what make them memorable at the end of the day, and what is most important for them. Having great motivations doesn't matter when no one remembers the character once the show is done.
Take good old freezer here, there is basically no depth behind the guy, evil for evil sake, yet he's arguably the most iconic villain in all of anime. Only character who can really argue that spot is Char. They both have what people really want in a villain. Show Freezer comes in transforms and is intermediating as fuck with his 1 million power level. Char comes in on a red zaku going three times as fast and basically kicks the main character in early. That's how you make a villain you make them seem like a real and competent threat.

>>144439609
>Durandal that high
I think my hatred for Destiny has me in a bias. But then again I understand why he's that high on that list.

>>144444444
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>>144439351
Their build up.

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no one stood a ghost of a chance

>>144439609
>Cruset in shit tier
Cruset was the best fucking thing about Seed.
He wanted to watch the world burn, which is something I can identify with if we're talking about SEED. That part where he trolls the fuck out of Kira by killing Fllay is hilarious.

>>144467046
>saves midland from mass rape and mass murder
>keep apostles under check
>builds a Utopian society

Griffith is atleast an anti-hero

>>144439351
Power and charm

>>144440015
He was a crying baby, who clothed his eye for an eye idea to nice words.

>>144473122
>he doesn't realise that Griffith wants all of humanity in one place so he can commit the biggest genocide in all of fiction
wake up sheeple

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My standard for villains is Johan. You can't put him in a box. He's evil because he represents both every good trait people aspire to have ( beauty, success, intelligence, power) but acts in every way that can be considered vile without going overboard like kicking a cat.
>telling a child to go find his mother in the Red Light District just because he's bored
>giving money stolen to a drug addict because he doesn't need money
>telling children to go play a game of dare on the roof to see the beauty of the world and become like him
>set up elaborate games to see if people can kill him and escaping by doing as little as possible

Johan is just the best villain.

>>144441794
I like this sort of listing but it's very limiting.
Ozimandiaz doesn't deserve to be Mid Tier.
>permanent damage

High tier is shit
>hurrrr I have a grudge against you and just you
It can be done well, but not always.

>>144473122
The plague came because of Godhand's shenanigans to make Griffith seem like a saviour

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how can this be a villain

>>144448994
>>144449041
>>144449115
>those asshurt filenames
Did Sinbad fucked your waifu or something?

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Surprised none has said this but light is a good villain and it shows his descend into madness.

You also get introduced to his strongest suit which is his intellect, so unlike generic evil bad guys he does not remain a mystery. You already know how strong, what his perspective is on the case and why he does those things.

And the mangaka nailed it, i cant honestly remember any better villains then light.. Maybe johan from monster...

>>144440015
Narutos fight with him was probably the peak of all of part 2. The bullshit revival at the end ruined any development Naruto could have had though.

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>>144440015
Nagato was an absolute pussy. I would appreciate Pain alot more if he remained like he did when we didn't know who Nagato was.

Konan a qt too.

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We either love him like En or we hate him like Griffith

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>>144479371
But I love Griffith. I honestly believe he will redeem himself in the end.

>>144455032
How filthy of a secondary do you have to be to split Heaven's Feel and Fate/Stay Night into two different works?