Is this how japanese animators work?

>>144425810
>I can only imagine the writer or director knows very little about the world and can just imagine things around their living experiences.
They know a lot about their world, not yours. Or have you forgotten that this is set in Japan?

>it seems they control how many times someone goes to the toilet
It's more like trying to put up a good image. Too much toilet breaks and it looks like they're going to the toilet so as not to be seen as slacking off. Not to mention, that can be used as fuel against them when questioning the quality they put in.

>>144425810
Oversleeping is a shit reason to be late, and should never count as an alibi

Congratulations on having a non-shit job.

Most jobs are shit, and are not at all like your job.

Go work in a call center, and they'll track your restroom time down the second.

>I can only imagine the writer or director knows very little about the world and can just imagine things around their living experiences.

Different countries and Different companies have different organizational culture and rules.

Shocking, I know.

I find it funny that you of all people blame people about not knowing enough about the world.

It's almost like every job is different.

>>144425810
I think flexible work hours is a relatively recent invention, and Japan being slow to adopt all kinds of things doesn't have it.

>I can arrive at any time in my job, and also leave any time I want
That's nice, but most people don't have that sort of flexibility available.

>>144426135
I think what OP means is that IN a studio, the writer or director doesn't know very much about their world because of the long hours.

>>144425810
When your job requires you to work with other people, you really do all have to be together at the same time. At least that's how most jobs are that don't cater to you millennial trash. Also you write like a retard. Why is there a line break after every sentence?

>>144425810
>They can't be a little late?
I always laugh when people like you get fired and have that stunned look on their face.

Good that you found a job that is quota based rather than deadline based.

Congrats you have a good job,

Unfortunately the majoriy of jobs require scheduled hours for work.

If you were allocated resources to employ and direct a team of individuals with the soul purpose being to create something in order to generate profits if one of your staff was late without a valid reason then you'd be pissed or someone else would be pissed.

Nips are all gung ho on doing your best so the majority of lower-middle tier jobs are all essentially salary slavery with the only hope most people cling to is promotion to a more managerial/cabinet position, this doesn't always happen thus the high suicide rate in which people cant deal with it anymore, they regret not doing something differently and constantly get belittled and treated like shit by their superiors.

I have a friend who was such a fucking weeb he went over to japan to teach english, he managed to get into a private school and within 6 months he quit because the work hours were stupidly insane, school finished at 4 yet he has to stay until 8-9 doing mundane menial bullshit to appease the board and give off the illusion that he genuinely cared for each and every kid he taught, working in japan is hell. Japanese work ethics are productive but they sure are awful for the average person.

Being an active and productive member of society is drilled into you in pretty much every country, eventually you realize that working is shit and only the lucky ones like yourself can dictate what they do and how they do it. The vast majority have to comply to this bullshit structure until the day they die.

t. neet on autism bux

>>144425810
In America, in a lot of 'creative' fields, you're expected to work as an unpaid intern for a while, sometimes even a full year, before you're actually ever hired and paid. It's a way to exclude people from entering the profession who can't afford to live with their parents or on an allowance for the internship period, basically. And you extract some free labor from everyone who wants to break into the industry as well. It's this gross, but mostly brief period of really overt exploitation, before you 'graduate' into a normal working relationship, and there's at least some slim hope of advancing as far as your talent will take you, even if you don't start with connections or pedigree.

In Japan, in creative fields, you can start working right out of high school, or after a 2 year vocational degree. But you will literally never move up out of the very bottom tier. All the high profile stuff, like character design is impossible to break into from a starting position, and only available to people who went to a top tier university. There's a lower level of exploitation, but it's endless, with no hope at all for advancement, ever.

>>144426506
No war but class war; kill the rich the world over.

Thread is right on.

But even in jobs that aren't strict about schedules, practically speaking you still need to be punctual, otherwise you stick your coworkers with extra tasks, and sticking people with extra work more than once in a while (or in cases of actual emergency) will quickly make you unpopular.

>>144426354
>Good that you found a job that is quota based rather than deadline based.

There are deadlines, but then if I work 16 hours non-stop, then I have to compensate by working less any day later.

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>>144426506
Nice lie kiddo did you even watch the anime?

Yagami said she started working at Eagle Jump after she left high school and she is the current Character Designer and was for Fairystale 1 or 2 - I forget - when Aoba was a younger teenager which implies she was character designer when she was ~20.

I see through your tricks mr shekelstein

>show up for work
>read 4chan for hours
>go to a meeting or two
>read 4chan for a few more hours
>maybe it's that time of the quarter something breaks and I have to work hard for a few days
>work on a project for maybe 30 minutes a day if I feel like it
>get them done on time literally more than anyone on my team anyway
>impress everyone all over again
>go back to reading 4chan for hours and hours and hours everyday
Honestly the pay isn't that good and after doing it for a few years it's pretty fucking boring.

>>144426771
Why not spend this time on learning something useful?

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>>144426771
Sounds pretty comfy

>show up to work at 9am
>say hi to all the nu-male developers in the front end
>go to my office area
>check network and servers are fine
>do bullshit stress/penetration tests for a few hours barely doing anything at all
>all the while i'm browsing 4chan and watching twitch streams
>write up a report on security and network productivity
>bullshit the idiot front end manager that comes down to make sure im doing my job
>leave just before 3pm because I can

such is the life of a network engineer, the pay is really good aswell currently on $85k

>>144426829
There are classes in my school on Visual Culture, as in you can literally go to school and get a degree in memes and become a meme doctor. Tell that to your mom next time she tells you're 'wasting' your time here.

>>144426979
What

I worked in a jap company before and this is how strict they are. Hell they even record the time you spend when going out of the work area to pee

>>144426941
Thanks router janitor.

>>144425810
>I can arrive at any time in my job, and also leave any time I want, it is all good as long as by the end of the month I meet the total quota.
It's Japan we are talking about here. Those white looking girls aren't actually Asians and they don't live in America, you know.

>>144426941
What did you do to get this job?

>>144425810
>hasn't heard of timecards
You are sheltered and ignorant.

>tfw no job
Fuck society I just want money

>>144425810
Why is this even being questioned?
Am I out of touch or is this a hipster thing?
I've had many jobs over the course of my life and I've always been expected to be on time, even the shitty ones I did as a teenager.

Is that not how society works anymore?

>>144427248
1 year of community college and a bunch of vendor certificates.

>>144427343
You're just old or live in a third world shit hole, anon.

>>144427343
Apparently not according to OP.

>Why doesn't my individual completely anecdotal experience apply to the entire world? Is something wrong with the entire rest of the world that it isn't exactly like my personal life experience?

OP is either stupid or only made this thread to brag about his job knowing full well it's not like that for most jobs.

>>144427466
While you're right about OP that does look like exploitation

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>>144427584
It IS exploitation because there's no union and a glut of people willing to be exploited until they can't take it anymore.

>>144427661
>glut of people
Japans falling birthrates is truly a negative feedback loop.

>>144427661
Fuck, those hours are just brutal.

>>144426446

>t. neet on autism bux

I don't like the people who could actually work and just bullshit things to get money from the government. All they do is give fuel to the people who want to cut funding to those who really can't work.

>>144425810
Nigga, jobs in most places doesn't work as you think they do, you must have a privileged job but most jobs on many parts of the world including japan do require for you to be on time and to not leave until the specified time in your contract same for bathroom times, you must be very new to anime to not even be aware of how japanese jobs work.

>>144427661
>24:30

>>144428385
Hey, maybe they work off a 26 hour day.

>>144428385
New Game is the perfect subtle weeaboo filter.

It's only the 3rd episode and it's already catching out the delusional autists who want to work in Japan.

>>144427661
Wasn't this tada's card? Though he did say that was a particularly busy time, I think. Shame he stopped translating, but I it's not surprising, only so much time in a day.

All I care about with my job is that I don't have to talk to anyone all day, can listen to music or podcasts on my phone, and spend the overall majority of time sitting down.

>Work on a call center
>Got fired 1 week ago

At least some of you have a job.

>>144429086
What, uh, what did you do that warranted getting fired?

>>144427661
Holy fuck those hours. No wonder Nips have high suicide rates.

What sane person would work these hours with extra dosh thrown in?

>>144429240
>with extra dosh thrown in?
Kek, Japan generally don't pay overtime.

They do it because going home on time is samefur dispray.

>work from home
>wake up at 6:50
>breakfast
>attend online meeting
>tell people to keep their numbers in green
>run 3 reports in 5mins
>send out 30 almost automatic emails in 20mins
>be done by about 8am
>watch anime all day or whatever bullshit I feel like

Perhaps 2 or 3 meetings a day just to tell people to keep their get their numbers out of red because they're retarded. Gotta love my job. Working from home is magical, I'll fucking hate it if I ever move up or to something else

Just imagine their workplace as an after school club. That's basically what it is.

>>144429284
Yeah, fuck that shit. If I'm not getting OT for those hours they can fuck themselves.

>>144426829
I don't know like what am I going to do at work. Learn Latin?
>>144426941
Fortunately for me all the devs are in the Bay Area while I'm safely in a satellite office by our primary datacenter. Ain't nobody wants to pay for bay area rackspace.

>working unpaid overtime ever

The day I get asked to do that is the day I find a new job.

Have they ever heard of unions in Japan?

>>144427661
>there's no union
Good.

>>144430685
They do actually but they're not commies.

>>144430685
Yes, but they've never really had traction there.

>>144429284
See : >>144429546

They might have to fire me if they try to make me stay more than I have to without pay.

>>144429222
On my job, there was a survey at the end of the chat to rate the service, not the agent helping you but the company´s. the people I chatted with were mostly angry arabians who don't speak english very well and they mostly rated the chats with negatives. This wouldn't be a problem but since the company closed all the chat centers in the US, all the chats from indians and brazilians started to rate down the whole center, and thus firing me with other 20-30 co-workers that week.

This of course makes the problem worst but at least they are happy working on a company that treats you like shit, even for 3rd country standards.

>Japan wonders why birthrate is dropping
>could it be our insane work culture?
>the fact that men and women have no time to intermingle?
>that parents are forced to hang out with their bosses instead of going home to their families?
>NO! SHAMEFUR DISPRAY! YAMATO DAMASHIIIIIII

>>144431119
I got fired from a call centre job a few months back.
Not because I was rated badly on the survey at the end of the call, but because it felt stupid and I just stopped offering the survey.
I had like 1% of my calls do it for about a year before I was fired.

>>144430716
Good goy

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>>144425810
>OP is sheltered and gets confused when things don't conform to his expectations
>calls everyone else sheltered for not accommodating his lifestyle instead

>>144429240

If I actually had a job I like, I wouldn't mind working all day. It's not like I have anything to call a private life. Getting paid appropriately would be nice though. Not that I'd have anything to spend the money on or the time to go shopping, but whatever.

Not that I have a job at all.

>>144431355
>good goy
>he fell for the socialist meme
Good goy

>>144431837
>he fell for the no workers rights meme

>>144431837
But just have a look at how great workers are doing in countries with strong unions like France, Spain and Italy. Unemployment is really low and wage levels are generally higher than in the US. Oh wait...

>>144431952
Or Germany, or the UK. French economic output is pretty high.

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>>144432004
>Or Germany
Yep, our economy is brilliant and not just build around the EU. We totally don't have major worker strikes literally every day, we totally do not have a shit tier middle class even when compared with other European nations. We totally do not have cheap food.

>>144431952
Totally ignore the banker and royal state bubble which is definitively the unions' fault.

>>144429240
What I don't understand is why not just have a job like what high-schoolers do? Like work at Mcdonalds 4 hours per day. Or no, legit 8 hours, it's not fucking 12 after all. In a rich country like Japan you'll get enough money anyway. I mean sure, some people rent their appartments but if students can afford it by working part-time can't they too?

>>144432181
>our economy is brilliant and not just build around the EU
I assumed it was the other way around (i.e. EU exists to serve Germany and France).

>>144432841
Because that would be a shamfurr dispray.

>>144425810
>I can arrive at any time in my job, and also leave any time I want, it is all good as long as by the end of the month I meet the total quota.
I wish I could be like you.

My job requires me to be on time thanks to daily highway patrols and sorting out mountain of statements/complaints.

>>144425810
>arrive on time every day
>do about an hour of actual work
>piss about all day on 4chan
>leave on time every day

Sounds OK, but I prefer my job as a council sys admin desu

>>144425810
How are you people taking snapshots with subtitles?

I'm using:
>MPC-HC 64-bit (recent version)
>MadVR 64-bit (x.x.21, recent version)
>XySubFilter (recent version)

None of the internet advice helps. Even with EVR-(CP) and the inbuilt subtitle renderer I can't get screenshots with subtitles. I used to be able to do it. But then I just suddenly couldn't anymore.

Halp meh.

>>144425810
>>>/jp/
>>>/soc/
fuck off

>>144433193
Use vlc

>>144426506
That's all bullshit. I've worked in creative fields around the world, and it's literally 100% about your portfolio and ability. I can't even tell you the amount of times I've seen people with muh master's in design get beaten out by some bum who took 3 years off living in his parents' house and actually fucking got good.

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>>144433193

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>>144433259
Go die in a fire. I'm not using that when I can have options for filtering.

Look. The options menu for VLC for Windows 10. It's fucking nothing.

Honestly?
If I could draw chinese cartoons for a living I wouldn't mind 18h/day work schedule. I get to animate cute girls AND get paid for it. Sounds like a life for me, even if it means suicide from overwork at 30

>>144433193
ALT-PRINT SCREEN

>>144433193
>Even with EVR-(CP) and the inbuilt subtitle renderer I can't get screenshots with subtitles.
This is exactly why it didn't work. Turn off that shit and untick the auto-load subtitles option.

You americans do complain a lot about jobs.

>>144426121

>not leaving your phone off the hook after a call ends whenever you want to take a bathroom break

You gotta learn the tricks of the trade. I quit my call center job after like 5 months because I couldn't handle sitting for that long but I was a master at working the system by the time I left.

>>144433355
fuck off euroshit

>>144429381
I'm not sure why anybody would expect any workplace focus when 19/21 minutes of the second episode were dedicated to snacks, lunch, teatime, and going out drinking afterwards.

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>>144433313
>windows 10
How about using a non-shit OS?
Suddenly your VLC has more options than your mother had dicks, which is a pretty big accomplishment.

>>144426941
Studying a masters in cyber security I'm fucked aren't I?

>>144433340
Okay, wise guy, I don't have a keyboard or a mouse. I have a god-awful windows surface pen. It has two programmable buttons, modifiable via Autohotkey. This is how you would do ALT+[Print_Screen] with the fucking pen.

>On receipt of SUPER+[F20]:
>If the "Window" is MPC-HC
>Then obtain the window's "Title"
>Execute traditional print screen
>Pipe the contents to a file OH WAIT THIS IS WINDOWS THE PIPE DOES NOT EXIST
>Create a new file called <title>
>Somehow paste the contents into the file

I could do this in XMonad easily, fuck Windows, fuck Microsoft, Fuck all of you for never porting MPV to Windows.

>>144433445
Fuck you I literally have my Linux on a USB stick velcroed to the back of my surface and you know what, the battery life is actually better but the surface USB port literally dies everytime I plug anything else into it, and I can't put it on to the main partition because Windows prohibits you from shrinking it by more than 20GiB, literally the only way to use Linux on the Surface is to put it on a usb key, load it into ram, then open a bluetooth/wifi storage drive velcroed to your surface, then load the remaining contents of the operating system.

Fuck I hate this world. On Linux in 60 seconds I set up an input.conf file and wrote everything I ever needed. Even with XMonad I could do this in a few minutes. HOWEVER in the wonderful graphical Windows you need to learn 17 different garbage-collected high-level languages just to take a fucking automatically-named screenshot.

>>144433347
I did swap between Xy and the internal one and whatnot and even went over to this thing called AssFilter and yet still encountered failure. However, what is this auto-load subtitles? Lemme look for it, maybe it is now enabled in new MPC-HC versions, I did reinstall windows just last month....

I'm sorry OP I just wanted to mine your thread for an answer ;_;

>>144433193
Printscreen and paste it into paint.

>>144433445

I have windows 10 and my VLC looks like that.

>>144433564
As a side note the other option is to attach your surface to a mill, machine-out the hard drive, and stick two hard drives in there, somehow, maybe with the aid of velcro.

>>144433579
No. I did it in Linux I should be able to do it in Windows.

>>144433564
>I don't have a keyboard or a mouse. I have a god-awful windows surface pen.
I want to reword that /m/ copypasta about diying from starvation in an electric car because you couldn't control it.

>>144425810
You can still be late. I get that you have a very narrow view of corporate culture, but most places frown on you being late. Especially if there are meetings, phone duty, going on customer site, etc.

At my job it's pretty lenient on being late, but if you're late for phone duty it's your ass and you better have a good reason.

Most places are only fine with you being late if you have a good excuse. Especially any job where you clock in. What if you're a teacher? You can't be late for class.

Your job is the edge case, not the norm. You probably only know people in similar job environments so you just have no clue.

>>144433564

Why the fuck don't you have a mouse and keyboard?

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>>144433445
You first, m80.

>>144427661
>tfw your work doesn't have a time card system

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>>144433445

Would you look at that, VLC is capable of working just fine on windows ten.

It's not the OS, it's the user.

>>144433823
But do you have NNEDI with that VLC?

>>144429314
I can't imagine what kind of job you must work in.

And here I am just coming back from
>>/pol/
where field-workers (Mexicans) and construction workers (Blacks) are all called lazy worthless niggers.

Fuck you lazy white people. You white people are the niggers.

>>144433740
Maybe I'm just using xfce with Debian too :^)

>>144433823
Well maybe the guy just a retard then.
Not having a keyboard and mouse seem to point in that direction anyways.

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>>144432841
>If students can afford studio apartments in TOKYO working 4 hours a day
Nope. Nope nope nope nope nope.

Unless they have roommates. I think 3 roommates would be the minimum cut-off.

>>144434006
Well, that's a shame, although I wasn't talking about Tokyo. I'm always butthurt that not many people can afford living separate from their parents in my country.

>>144433977

You only get the butchered version of VLC if you go full retard and download it through the windows store I'm pretty sure.

>>144426121
>software developer
>not shit
He'll get replaced by pajeet in two years.

>>144434058
If you make $16 per hour you can probably rent an entry-level apartment, have enough money left over for gas and very basic meals, and that's about it, assuming you want to live on your own. As most people on 4chan probably desire.

Think of modern society as a way of genociding people like us out of existence! Yay~!

>>144426700
She's a founding member duh.
I mean Yagami is a hag.

>>144428385
Japanese notation.
New Game really is a filter.

>>144433193

>MadVR 64-bit with MPC-HC 64-bit.
>His version is outdated by two releases already, but he claims it's the newest.

Either you know nothing about this stuff or you downloaded one of those fake versions from 'software' sites. You need the 32-bit version of both if you want to do most stuff properly. This has nothing to do with the subs by the way, that's just you being retarded, and this is about you being retarded on a whole different level.

>>144432841
Do you have any idea what housing in grorious Tokyoto costs?

>>144434190
No, that was because, before 2014 or so, MadVR was only available as a 32-bit dll. LAV filters, XySubFilter, and MPC-HC were all already available as 64-bit.

If you look at the changelog from x.x.21 to x.x.23, you'll notice all the changes relate to the new HDR subsystem in MadVR, with three random bug fixes.

Furthermore, I states I reinstalled Windows, suggesting I had, in fact, upgraded everything by downloading it fresh. So screenshots worked with 64-bit everything with older versions, but they don't work with 64-bit everything with newer versions. Why? Who knows!

Furthermore, if you want to use 32-bit MadVR, you also need to use 32-bit LAV and MPC-HC.

This should be simple and obvious. No need for CCCP. Of course, if I install CCCP, then subtitles work, but then I get 200MiB of bloat.

>>144433445
i need the icons

>>144434203
Nope, but like I side, I wasn't necessarily talking about Tokyo.

>>144425810
>I work as a chef at wendy's.
Fixed that for you

>>144427661
These Japs are retarded if they think that working like that is good. Don't any of them even have the balls to complain to their boss about overtime.

>>144426121

Not at mine, though that's an internal IT servicedesk

>spend most time at work reading manga or surfing the web when noone is calling and noone gives a shit

>>144434483
Helpdesk jobs are the dream until you get fired and replaced by apprentices, because they work for cheap.

>>144431232
Birthrates are dropping all over the world. The difference in Japan is that they're not bringing in immigrants to artificially inflate the numbers.

>>144434482
if you do, you're fired and lose the basis of your existence.
it has nothing to do with "having balls".

>Go to work at 8:30am
>Walk around construction site and note what's happening till 10am
>Browse 4chan/youtube
>Have lunch
>Browse 4chan/youtube
>Do some designing if necessary or patrol construction site again. (Depends on the situation)
>Maybe attend a meeting if there is one
>Browse 4chan/youtube
>Go back home anytime between 4pm or 11pm. (Depends on the schedule)
Such is the life of a resident engineer

>>144427661
>No weekends
No wonder they kill themselves so much.

>>144430974
There are at least 20 nips down the line that will do it and lick their managers shoes

>>144434578
That can't be right.
when do you have your cocksucking breaks?
that's also part of the life of an engineer.

>>144434570
I think the Japanese government has to step in if it wants to reduce the number of people who kill themselves because of being overworked. That or the populace has to start making workers unions and demand that they be treated as people.
You can work all the hours you want, but if your productivity is barely greater than anyone else then you're just wasting your time.

>>144433193
Don't use the 64bit versions (of madVR and MPC). They're outdated.

I also had that issue with MadVR, but I ticked some setting somewhere and it was gone. heck do i remember.

>>144434659
You mean me sucking cocks? Or people sucking my cock?

>>144434718
you sucking cocks, of course.
After all, you're an engineer.

>>144434521

they are plannign to slowly replace us with leased workers when people leave and not hire anyone new. Will still be years until they completely shut it down, just gotta find the right moment to leave before that happens.

Until then I'm getting paid for basically doing nothing work related 80% of the time

>>144428225
Yea, but work fucking sucks so much dick I can hardly blame them. Literally perpetual unhappiness. I should really look into autism bux too, I want out of wagecuckery so bad.

>>144425810
the neatest thing about this, is that in places like Japan, if say a train runs late, the train station dispenses forms to people to give to their employers for being delayed getting into work. That's how serious it's taken over there.

>>144434739
I don't need to suck any cocks, I'm a resident engineer; meaning I work at a construction site away from the boss. The contractor has come to me asking me to turn a blind eye to certain things and that he'll help me out somehow.

>>144434777
Trains are serious business in Japan. As in, really serious business. Because most people there do rely on them to get to work.

>>144434746
What do you plan to do after those years though? Study?

>>144434354
numix

>30yr old
>literally a neet
>still living with parents
;_;

>>144434831

Might try to switch over to one of the server groups or just use those years to learn something useful for a more demanding job

>>144427661
I wonder if the four fields between is for two breaks and a clock out and clock in for lunch. Awful

Japanese work schedules explain why anime is the way it is pretty well.
No fathers-all at work
Everything is set in highschool- It's the only time they can remember they did anything besides work and sleep

>>144427812
Isn't that a good thing? positive feedback is more prone to instability.

>>144434843
Still better than having a job you hate.

It's nice when you reach senior positions, or own your own company. I work from my home office 2-3 days a week now, and a lot of my work consists of lunch meetings are nice restaurants. The downside is that, despite going to the gym more than ever before, it's getting increasingly difficult to hold my waistline.

>>144434891
that's just fucking depressing.

>>144434939
>it's getting increasingly difficult to hold my waistline
get them to hire someone to hold it for you

>>144434843
>25
>Just put enough money to pay for a second go at uni
>I'm going to learn Jap because Chink took my soul aways.
Now I'll just lie and remove anything related to China from my CV.

>>144434971
Haw haw. I wish I could. I've ended up being that awful person that chooses some godawful salad at lunch after asking the waitress for its nutritional information.

>>144434915
It also means that the economy will continue shrink until an equilibrium can be reached. Don't forget the pensions

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Why is Aoba so shit? She ruined the whole episode.

>>144433954
Back to your containment board.

>>144435048
Goth lolis are always best girls, no exceptions.

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>>144435008
They have been sitting in their assess for the last 20years, why don't they start working again on humanoid robots, just look at Boston Dynamics

>>144425810
>why isn't every place on earth just like my basement?

Why do retards always do this? It's almost as bad as my shitty "greentext".

>>144437724
Fun

>>144434712
thank you

>>144435057
/a/ \is\ my containment board, where else can I go to vent my just and holy desires for vengeance?

>>144426941
At my intern servers where down constantly because of shitton of problems.

the network janitors had to be the hardest working people their.

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nobody cares for them

>>144434891
I guess that's why they are so obsessed with "making memories" when they are in highschool (according to my chinese cartoons).

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>tfw all your favorite cartoons are built on the backs of slave labor and human misery

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>>144438765
Man that's just sad, why wouldn't anyone want to improve things?

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>>144438893
money, stupid

>>144438893
japan is a country of suicidal retards with no respect for human life

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>>144438887
almost all products are, my man

>>144438908
But by improving things you can make more money

>>144438959
improving conditions costs money

>>144438976
But you make more money in the long term

>>144438858
Wow, so my last job I quit because I wasn't making enough to make ends meet is a couple thousand more than what an Episode Director makes. God that's horrible.

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>tfw Crane operator
>tfw 80% of the time I'm iust sitting in my Crane reading manga

I love 12 hour days, gives me time to read.

>>144438995
but businesses are focused on generating short term profits for their shareholders

>>144425810
>>144426941
>>144426771
How does the software industry deal with the fact that there is such a huge range of talent between different programmers and software engineers?

The fact that there are programmers currently working, who have roughly the same base of familiar knowledge, but who if you give them some unfamiliar code full of methods and objects unfamiliar to all of them and you ask them all to find the same bug and add the same piece of new functionality to it, some of the programmers will take a few hours to do the task while others could take a week on it?

Is this a problem for software recruiters?
I mean there will literally be people who have a decent amount of programming knowledge and a CV showing that they have been working doing programming for years, but if you give them some task they could be 4 times more slow and less producctive than another programmer.

Do any of you have any experience of recruiting ? how do you weed these people out?

And what about the fact that many programmers are weak or totally unfamiliar with important maths like geometry, trigonometry and linear algebra ?

How can you really discern a talented programmer from a mediocre but decently experienced and knowledgable programmer?
Do brainteasers or asking them write some simple code to solve some simple problem on the spot really work? because brainteasers you can hear the answer before hand and often test a slightly differnet skill from programming/software engineering, and the kind of small code tasks you get asked to do on the spot in interview often aren't representative of working on a larger product and can be within the ability of a mediocre-talent programmer.

What are your thoughts?

>>144433193
Install VLC

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>>144438887

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>>144438858
I make more than an executive director huh?

Feels gud

>>144439021
Greed truly is the root of all evil

>>144438996
cost of living might be different

>so much construction workers itt
Any tips incase I say fuck it to my CIS degree and go work in that field instead?

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>>144439042
no

>>144439071
Somehow I doubt that Japan and Tokyo have a lower COL than Utah, but if that's the case HOLY FUCK.

>>144434979
You'd better fucking do that or get ready to become "the working with Chinese man" if your company is gonna do something international.

>>144439142
Be safe, use common sense, and wear a harness above 6 feet when on a scaffold. Be ready to deal with some incredibly stupid people on a day to day basis.

Be aware that almost all construction is full of nepotism and favoritism, moreso then most other industries. Unless you have a trade it's somewhat difficult to get into.

>>144439031
The technical interview is part of it, but a lot of it is about what the person has done. If programmer A got good grades in school then worked for a while at a generic company doing generic work, and programmer B never went to college but became a major contributor to the Linux kernel in his spare time, you're probably going to hire programmer B because he has demonstrated the ability to figure out difficult problems on his own and a demonstrated drive to go beyond the minimum necessary to get a pay check. Really good programmers tend to have a track record of doing interesting things, whereas everybody else tends to just have a list of jobs.

Hiring someone right out of school is a little tougher, but the best programmers (not necessarily best students) still tend to distinguish themselves by doing more than just school.

>>144439031
>How can you really discern a talented programmer from a mediocre but decently experienced and knowledgable programmer?
you ask them to write some code? it's really not a big a problem as you make it out to be.
it's easy when you're hiring someone to see how good they are at programming. in the company you have the most experienced programmers at the top making the important decisions affecting the entire structure of the game engine and the code and the less experienced people working on things with a much a smaller scope, implementing the details of smaller, less important sub systems. If someone is shit and not pulling their weight they get fired. alot of code is drudge work that really isn't going get done much faster or better if you put a master programmer on it than an intermediate one. that's the place where you use junior programmers

>>144439021
Typical for American business, nips tend to be more focused on the long-term.
I'm 100% sure the reason is that trying to fix a problem means admitting that you actually have a problem and that's shameful.

>>144439145
All the commodities you enjoy in your daily life are built on human slavery.
Stop being a moralfag and be glad you were born in a first world country.

>>144438893
The subtitles are fake you bakafuck.

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>>144439145

>>144433379
We don't have ''off the hook'' with our phones.
Once the store is off the line, you're put in to an after call state. As soon as you hit available on the phone, you get another call.

You can't be in aftercall too long.

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>>144439300
>All the commodities you enjoy in your daily life are built on human slavery.

true

>>144439300
I know that already. But you don't have to laugh about it.

>>144438858
You can make a little more than the cg director just for having four limbs and a basic understanding of English.

>>144438858
Why in the fuck are voice actors paid so god damn much.

Have they always been?

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>>144439300
>All the commodities you enjoy in your daily life are built on human slavery.
I fucking love this "argument"

>>144439510
"A-list voice actor" is not the same as "voice actor" anon. The chart is intentionally misleading.

>>144439453
Cg animator, fuck

>>144439510
Because desperate otakus watch everything their favourite seiyuu does.

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>>144439548
it's a fact

>>144439649
>that
>slavery
Sure thing lad

>>144439649
You never know, maybe anon sews his own clothes from his own semen.

>>144439548
Every single piece of electronics you own was made or has components made in chinese sweatshops.

>>144439649
Look, if we're gonna have women slaves, I think we'd be using them as their God intended, for our penises, not for making electronic goods.

>>144439749
But anon don't you realize that with women not only can you pay them a base slave wage, but thanks to patriarchy you can reduce that to an even smaller 75%?

>>144439239
but doesn't that discriminate against programmers who put their all into their job?

I'm currently working and putting in an extra 2-3 hours of work in most evenings to get my projects finished faster/improved.

are you saying I should put much of that time into contributing to open source projects instead?

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>>144439703
Ironically one of my parents is a tailor. Fucking first world slaves man.

>>144439715
And?

>>144439796
people care about your ability to code not weather you've worked on an open source project or not

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>>144438887
Just try not to think about it, bra.

>>144439840
>hurr durr that's not slavery because they get paid
Go fuck yourself.

>probably gonna graduate in 2-3 years
>have no idea what to do in the future
I'm scared /a/ ;_;
What are some comfy jobs in a multimedia track? I think I will regret this shit in the future.

>>144439968
I mean, technically it isn't.

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>>144439983
>comfy jobs in a multimedia track?

Lmao

>>144439968
Yes, by definition it isn't. Any other "smart" arguments?

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>Work at a thrift store.
>Managers are all women and can't decide what they want.
>They make excuses when I get frustrated at them changing their minds constantly on what they want me to do by saying "it's organic, you need to adapt to change."
>That change meaning I have to read their minds and know what must be priced how high or low without them telling me how they want it.
>Tell me to help the donation centre while at the same time pricing/moving an assload of furniture.
>They get mad when I can't hit numbers on furniture put-out because I was helping other sections.
>Get told I'm not passionate enough about the job.
>They get mad when I don't get enough donations in, like I can fucking force people to donate all their furniture or something.
It's fucking weird. I'm starting to believe I'm working under a bunch of psychos.

>>144426165
Like how they keep ATMs inside their banks instead of outside and still make heavy use of fax machines?

>>144440050
Except they have no way of getting better conditions, and the money they win is barely enough to eat bread and some clothes every 6 months for 10h+ shifts every day
It's modern slavery in everything but name, you're a fucking retard.

>>144440140
So you're making up definitions now?

>>144440226
Not him, but you seem to be getting stuck on semantics rather than the issue at hand.

>>144440140
But real slavery still exist today too.

Nobody is defending exploitative business but it's just what the word means dude.

>>144425810
Japan is a backwards nation stuck in the past. It shouldn't really surprise you that the reason they have such high suicide rates is that they treat everybody there like cattle.

>>144425810

You forgot the part about that being Japan, m8.

>>144440275
And it is not really different.
Real slavery you work for free but they generally give you food so you don't die.
Exploitative labour they give you money so you can spend it on the food you need to not die and keep overworking until you die.
>b-but you're free
Yes, to go and find another business that exploits you the same or to die of famine.

>>144430635
Hell, I don't even carry around the on-call phone where I work for free. An hour each weekday and 2 hours per day on weekends and holidays, and that's if there aren't any calls that come in.

>>144440260
Like what? Why is your or his issue okay but mine, which is related to false claims and made up definitions, suddenly semantics?

>>144440353
I don't get why you're so assblasted about slavery. Does it really matter it something was made by a slave or not? It's not the consumers fault some shitty country is getting exploited.

>>144439510
A-list seiyuu have obviously higher wages than seiyuu who do only one or two lines per episode, per two episodes, or even per season, or even per lifetime

>>144439300
>This is an acceptable excuse for supporting shit living conditions

>>144440353
I think you're putting opinions in my mouth bro.

And the definition of words doesn't change just because things can be similar. 5 and 6 are not the same number just because they're really close to each other.

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>>144440353
>Yes, to go and find another business that exploits you the same or to die of famine.
How do you know this?

I suggest you go and read the definition of slavery, pay attention to details like ownership.

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lets talk about that aoba butt tho

from flat to sweet jesus, how would you rate this butt?

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>>144432181
>Yep, our economy is brilliant and not just build around the EU.
What the fuck does it even mean to be "built around the EU"? Autarky is the dumbest shit ever in the 21st century. If you so desperately want to live in a country that doesn't style itself to function in dependencies with its neighbours, try living in North Korea - but even then you'd be living a lie, because it's heavily dependent on China.

>We totally don't have major worker strikes literally every day
Stop being a dumbass fooling himself through merely affirming his preconceived notions with biased samples of your immediate social environment and look at some fucking statistics. Image related. Germans strike very rarely in OECD comparison: 7 strike days/1000 people per year (or 4, if you exclude 2015) in Germany versus 120 strike days/1000 people per year in Denmark, or 117 in France.
It just happens to be that the ones who strike are primarily those in public and private transportation (train and bus drivers, pilots...) and public servants, which is very visible to the common person, when his train doesn't come as scheduled or a public institute is closed.

> We totally do not have cheap food.
Whose fault is that? Yours, because discounter culture is immensely popular in Germany, when you actually can buy literally the same high quality food the French eat, due to the common market.

> we totally do not have a shit tier middle class even when compared with other European nations
[citations and further specifications required]
I bet you wouldn't be happy when your "shit tier middle class" standard got swapped with that of Bulgaria, another European nation.

>>144432865
How about this third option: The EU serves all of its members. Or none, if you want to be edgy. You don't have to believe either, but at least be aware that there doesn't have to be a dichotomy.

>>144440546
S W E E T
J E S U S
that's some long working hours.

>>144440546
6/10

>>144440546
12

year old

>>144427661
Has anyone told Japan that this is bullshit? Those numbers are fucking inhumane.

>>144440443
I don't think that, in general, what the precise definition of slavery is is as important as whether or not it, or something like it exists.

>>144440666
No, it's pretty important because something like it, is not it.

Why'd you make up this fantasy about sheltered animators when the show is adapting a manga which is based on the three years the author spent at a games company.

>>144440709
I think you're misunderstanding me, and pretty much are still hung up on semantics.

It, or something like it, or something LIKE like it, is reprehensible all around. It's like we've found a carton of expired milk in the fridge, and someone claims "this milk isn't good anymore", and you go on to argue that calling it "not good" is incorrect since someone or something could probably still use it in some way. Completely missing the fact that the first person was simply saying that it needs to be thrown away.

>>144439867
lol, cant believe someone did this. which show is it?

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>>144439031
As a former developer, one who was actually good, I can share some of what I think (and I'm usually right).

I'm pretty good if I say so myself, and that's because I enjoy my work. Figuring stuff, coming up with better solutions, actually developing stuff to make the job easier... getting to see your code in action, I really like that.
So I studied it, practiced it, while most other of my coworkers were there because of the pay or because that's where they fell into.

That's the first and foremost differential of range in abilities between developers: if they like/pursue and enjoy what they do.

This has nothing to do with years of experience. I met a guy who at 28 has been programming for 11 years in the industry, but he simply... was terrible at it. I mean, not terrible, but just not as good because he either was comfortable in his position and didn't wanted to get better.

> but if you give them some task they could be 4 times more slow and less productive than another programmer.
This doesn't have much to do with skills or experience. Depending on the company, the code might be a fucking mess (and it usually is) or simply overcomplicated, and no matter how experienced one is, he must get used to it first.
Like finding out where certain stuff are in case he needs to change it.

> And what about [...] programmers [...] unfamiliar with important maths [...]?
Those aren't required to programming, you know.
However, a good (or "true" as some people say) programmer, the one who pursues and enjoys what he does, will study and look into stuff he doesn't know.

To work in the programming field is to be studying, always.
I completely forgot about trigonometry once I was done with high school only to find myself diving into old books to understand how to build a 3D world algorithm, and got it even further what I was taught in HS because I needed to.

You can't expect a programmer to know EVERYTHING. But a good one should always be willing to study the unknown.

>>144440847
Why are you not saying "this milk needs to be thrown away" instead of "this is cheese" then?

>>144440847
Nope, you're the one who is missing the very simple fact that by definition, the apparent example anon gave, is not slavery.

>>144440847
>>144440709
As someone who hasn't been very involved in this argument but is now looking through the quote chain to see your conversation, I don't really see any point where the other guy defends unfair labor exploitation or claims it's not slavery. It seems like you just sort of assumed both those things and started getting mad at him, then when he just tried to correct you on the definition of a word you got upset and assumed even harder.

>>144440920
>milk
Milk-related product*

>>144440882
>a 3D world algorithm
yeah you sound like a really good developer lol

>>144440937
You're still missing his point, which has somehow also become my point in the process of me trying to explain it to you.
But I give up. I feel like I'm dealing with an actual autist.

>>144440920
Hindsight is indeed 20/20.

>>144440991
What? Anon implies something is slavery when it isn't. That's the point of discussion.

>>144439983

Don't be scared. The funny thing is, unlike how all those disney movies try to convince you, it's just not enough to know what you want to do. Unless you're willing to also lie, deceive and backstab people for the job, you might as well hang yourself right away, because there's no future for you. The sooner you accept that, the less painful it is.

Every now and then media brings up these rags to riches stories, but they never mention how all those young successful lads and lasses are fired five years later, their company bankrupt/contract terminated, and they're too drugged to know the right door at the toilets.

>>144441050
I reached the character limit, but if expected me to discuss that in details you might be more ignorant than you think.

>>144441057
What point? I'm not the one who is overcomplicating things, I told you and him that none of these things are slavery. That's it. If you don't like definitions, it's your problem.

>>144440551
>discounter culture is immensely popular in Germany
I don't see anything wrong with that. It makes products cheaper for consumers, and the products Aldi sells in the bargain price range regularly trump the brand goods sold at full price by regular retailers.
Of course except if those products are exactly the same in different packaging to begin with (like Froop or the regular Ehrmann yoghurt).
I don't particularly like the recent trend of brand products appearing at Aldi. Be it Coca Cola, Wagner Pizza or "head and shoulders".

>>144441194
so what's your '3d world algorithm'

>>144441057
>ugh you're such an autist for not accepting that every word for bad things is completely interchangable I give up you're just too stupid

I think you're just a fag anon.

>>144439160
I know, why do you think I'm going back to uni to learn a new language that fall under the same program? I spent five year in China and while the pay was great I'm pretty sure it shaved 10 years of my lifespan. I'll take a 7/9 year hole in my CV rather than going back there.

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>>144427661
ya know, could this be during crunch time?

>>144441239
A simple OpenGL game engine I did for fun.

First I played around with trigonometry only to be told by an angry mob that sen/cos functions are inefficient and I should use quaternions instead.
Although I did run some tests on both methods I never got a large number of assets to truly compare.
Later on when shaders were common and those GPUs with CPUs became a thing, quaternions made much more sense.

But answering your question, basically, it's what the fucking math I needed to, given an object with a XYZ coordinates, how can I display that on screen with basic translation/rotation and what the fucking math I needed for the camera to be a "camera".

>>144441196
So the original point of the discussion was this
>>144439300
>All the commodities you enjoy in your daily life are built on human slavery.
>Stop being a moralfag and be glad you were born in a first world country.

But for some reason, you're caught up on the word "slavery", missing the bigger point he was trying to make. It wasn't the fact that slavery exists, it's that many of the things you use in your daily life come from third world sweatshops under working conditions you'll likely never have to face. Why didn't you just as easily get caught up on the word "moralfag", or "All", which were in equal realms of hyperbole? I'm calling you an autist because you're really unusually caught on a small detail, instead of understanding the more expansive issue.
Do you understand now?

Okay, fuck you. After this, I'm really done.

>>144441478
>are built on human slavery.
>slavery
>It wasn't the fact that slavery exists
>slavery
I'm so sorry that I read exactly what anon says and don't throw my own personal head canon in.

>>144444444
>soon

>>144441384
are you a game developer or just a 'developer' because i find it hard to believe someone calling themselves an experienced game developer doesn't have experience with 3d transformations and quaternions

>>144441569
They're completely slaves, just not according to an hilariously outdated definition.
They lack all human rights and working conditions, but they're not considered formally slaves by you because perhaps they get 15 cents per hour.

>>144430685
Unlike 'Murrica, the nice people who deal in unsavory businesses got comfy with the big heads instead of the unions, thus anyone who complains or raises too much of a fuss was politely asked to stop sooner rather than later.

>>144441641
>calling themselves an experienced game developer
But he didn't /v/ro

>>144433319
They only get paid for 8 hours kek

>>144441654
I thought you were done?

>They're completely slaves
>get 15 cents per hour.
Doesn't seem to be an accurate description of a slave.

>>144441740
Animators get paid by paper, me lad. They, or at least most of them don't get paid hourly wages.

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>>144441654
>it's totally slavery you're just not calling it slavery because it doesn't have the defining trait that determines if it's slavery

>>144441742
>I thought you were done?

I am done. >>144441654 wasn't me.

....oh shi-

>>144425810
>I can arrive at any time in my job, and also leave any time I want, it is all good as long as by the end of the month I meet the total quota.

surprise surprise dipshit, your workplace is the exception instead of the rule. most workplaces expect your ass to be clocked in when you're supposed to be there. in new game's case is the manager supposed to wait around for aoba to show up so that she can check on her work or assign new tasks to her? most jobs that heavily require people to interact and collaborate with each other work on a fixed clock

>>144441781
Would that even be legal in the West?

I mean, it's definitely not possible unless they are self-employed; and forced/feigned self-employment in order to circumvent standards that apply to regular employment is illegal. Potentially not in the US, but who cares about those anyway.

Developers have more flexibility than most jobs, what a surprise.

You still need to be at the office most days. I can't count the number of times I solved something faster because I could ask about the code to the dude 5 desks away that developed it.

>>144442008
Yes sure.

>>144427661
seriously though

what job is this

>>144425810
The writer of the manga used to work in the games industry.

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>>144441641
Like >>144441727 said, I didn't call myself an experienced game developer.

I did develop some pretty basic, crappy stuff (I think it was good at least on the technical level, but on the creative side... sigh) because I was interested in it.

And I wasn't experienced with 3d/matrices when I started out my first engine, which was about 12y ago I guess... I'm feeling fucking old now

On my shitty 3rd world country though game developers get as bad as they could, so I ended up with a "regular" developer job instead.
I did everything from JScripts, CSSes (yeah...), backend bank/government systems (and they both sucked), simulators (like games, yeah, but they don't like it to be called that), among others, and I got very experienced at programming in general due the wide range of activities I was required to do.

Now I'm finally out of it (I hate humans) and I just dream I'll start developing games for real and get rich with it. Like a million others.

>>144442281
Looks like you're a contractor. Contractors always get shat on. I guess at least you're free from most corporate bullshit.

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Computer Science is a scam unless you're a self-taught prodigy. Shoving programming down every student's throat as the future of mankind is a bigger mistake than teaching math with estimates in place of actual results. Very few people are actually suited for it, and the rest are gold diggers and misled time wasters that don't know what they're doing.

>>144442415
Truth is you'll get shat no matter what.

I got fired from my last job after 2 years, despite staying in some rough times (like not getting paid for some months cause the company was in dire financial situation) simply because the new manager didn't like when I told him I wasn't going to work on a saturday.

Friday, 17h55
"Hey, I want you to come tomorrow"

(what is expected to, from other coworkers' reports)
"I'm truly, deeply, regretfully sorry, but I have a very important thing to do, my mother died, my father fled with debts, my brother is committing suicide and my dog is on fire so I really, really can't. May I work 16h on monday to compensate? Please?"

(what I said)
"Sorry, but I got other things to do, and I already finished what was asked."

Next Tuesday
HR: "You're being shut off because you're not committed enough to the company..."

I couldn't help but laugh at that and the HR girl thought I was crazy.

>>144434367
I live in Tokyo.

My apartment is 15 square meters. I pay 50,000yen a month for rent and another 20,000 a month for utilities phone and internet.

I'm on scholarship so it's not so bad.

>>144442981
She was shocked that a company asset would refuse to be fucked in the ass.