This is your date tonight.

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She belongs in the trash.

I like her voice in the dub

>>143715225
Not like you have the right to decide that.

>>143715313

You belong in the trash.

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>>143715225
I love this girl with all my heart! I fucking love Haruue and I don't care who knows about it.

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>>143715225
Can I go on a two-woman date with her and pic related?

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>>143715385
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u7SISw5KLMs

>>143715225
Great. I'll make sure I'm packing some rubbers if you know what I mean.

>>143715527
I want to eat a candy necklace off of her neck.

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>>143715225
>date
Why? Biribiri is already my wedded waifu.

>>143715225
OK.

>>143715313
Right next to your opinions.

Best course of action is to blitz her with the romantic stuff

She'll be too busy blushing and stammering to get mad

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>>143715225
Misaki > Misaka

Fuck your electric tsundereshit.

>>143716578
She's pretty good, her English voice is amazing.

>>143716578

Mikoto and Misaki are both bottom of the barrel sluts that appeal to the lowest common denominator.

>>143716578
>those tiny arms
Go make your own thread, cock sleeve

>>143716578
Misaki has the only decent English dub voice.

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>>143715225
Only for tonight? That's a shame.

>>143717206
Hahahaha funny guy.

>>143717375
No u.

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>>143716578
>Misaki > Misaka
I completely agree

>>143717381
F-fuck you.

>>143717206
No, what about literally everybody else besides Accel?

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>>143715225
I want to nibble on her feet and run my tongue between her little toes.

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>>143715225
Long hair or no deal.

>>143715225
>Not saying this is your biribiri tonight

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This is my date.

>>143716578
What makes makes seemingly vapid, teasing, sultry girls with hearts of gold so appealing?

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>>143718212

Excellent taste.

>>143718263
Like Kuroko?

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Which girls would let you do anal on the first date? I'll get Lessar out of the way.

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>>143718852
Obviously.

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>>143715225
Yes I do.

>>143715225
Does Biribiri smell like ozone?

>>143716578
>Misaki
>better than Mikoto
>ever
Not even in your most delusional dream, anon

>>143718402
Kuroko is just a perv

>>143718989
Is it gay if I want to fuck this boy?

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>>143719204

It's not our fault that they draw a boy and call it a girl.

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>>143716578
>that fat slut better than anything
Kill yourself and your shit taste once for all.

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Just to be sure, none of you would stick your dick in ctazy right?

>>143719204
No anon, I don't even know you enough to be fucked by you.

>>143719408
>tfw no cute boyfriend that cosplays as biribiri

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>>143719338

>fat

Low test detected.

>>143719048
nope
im p sure she smell to cheap gekota perfum

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KANZAKI ARRRGGGHHH

>>143719501
Kanazki is different, at least she has a decent physical condition and she's more likeable.

You are complete and utter shit if n klyou think either Mikoto or Misaki are good. Seriously, you are disgusting at the very core of your being for liking either of them. Fuck off, garbage. Remove your fucking self you worthless human sack of shit. Just fucking remove yourself now

>>143719598
*Kanzaki

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>>143719609
>fucking remove yourself now
You first niger

>>143719664
But I like neither of them. Why should I remove myself

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>>143719711
Because you touch yourself at night fuccboi

>>143719792
stiylposter "stiyling" on some niggas. heheh

>>143719792
>imfuckingplying you don't jack it to Index every day

>>143719849
index is basically a boy, at least choose orsola or something.

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>>143719849
I'll take Index back just wait and see
Meanwhile I got Kanzaki and Laura and lolis

You got nothing. How's it feel?

>>143719905
I'm not choosing anyone. I was implying my Stiyl chooses Index

>>143719959
stiyl somehow has his own harem at this point, even if kamisoto pseudo-cucked him

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>>143719959
>my Stiyl
Sorry but I don't swing that way

So who are the flavor of the month girls at the moment? Did Kuriba or her cyborg start catching on yet?

>>143720289
Probably Haruue. She's a cutie.

I can't wait for Aleister to job to Mie

I really wish their was more Haruue fanart.

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>>143716578
>Misaki x Misaka

Fixed it for you.

>>143720549

Literally anyone is open to job to Mie, if our past experiences with level 0s mean anything. Yuiitsu is at the greatest risk, and even Mikoto if she loses her shit like Mugino did.

>>143720084
good i made it in time, if that touma guy shows up you should probably try to shoot him, I hear that would work on him

http://www.strawpoll.me/10668668

>>143720289
Not Saten, I tell you.

I hope Misaka takes damage and she showns no concern for her own welfare

Is the Accelerator manga at the point where it has enough chapters for an anime? Or for at least one cour?

I want to see them try to adapt some of the manga and then do volumes 15/19.

>>143721377
Why would Espers and Magic users ever carry or buy an expensive illegal gun when they're used to relying on their powers all the time? They're not in America.

>>143722259
Not even close right now.

>>143722259
They would burn through it pretty quickly because half of the chapters being mostly spreads

>>143722259

Not enough material, on top of it being pointless since Scavenger is already in Railgun and sucker-kun is sure to follow. Accel is better off sticking to Index 3.

>>143722278
That's the problem with most characters in this anime. They rely to much on their powers and don't learn other means of defending themselves like fighting or using equipment or having a battle strategy depending on who they're going to fight. Think about what happened when Mikoto wasn't able to use her ability against Frenda or Accel with Touma. Frenda was able to completely outclass Mikoto without her power I mean Kuroko would have stood a better chance with no teleportation because she at least has shown the ability to kick ass with just her body.

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>>143715225
I'm not worthy enough to be with Mikoto in that capacity.

>>143722278
>>143722566

Most espers that fight often carry some form of equipment to help them in combat, especially if they're apart of an underground group.

Accelerator has his cane and a firearm, Saiai carries a canister of liquid nitrogen, Mugino had her silicon burn, GITD has a handgun and grenade launcher, etc. If you just rely on your power you get BTFO like Kakine did, unless you have plot armor like Mikoto.

>>143722751
Bud Mikoto got handled by Frenda. I was taking mostly specifically about hand to hand combat experiance but yea you do have a point. I'm just saying if someone like Accel was temporarily not able to use his power for whatever reason sombody like Frenda or Kuroko would destroy him.

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>>143715225
Thanks anon. I do break my fast with dates.

I lost all my faith in Accel when he got punked by Touma just because he wasn't able to use his power.

>>143722835
>Bud Mikoto got handled by Frenda.

How many years is this shit again? Mikoto won against Frenda, Mikoto only struggled because she was tired and fatigued from lack of sleep and overwork.

>>143722751
That's only really done by veterans of the dark side like Saiai, Accelerator didn't until he had to deal with the choker and got his ass handed to him twice.

>>143722996
As soon as Mikoto didn't think she was able to use her power Frenda basically had her way with her. I highly doubt a Mikoto in tip top shape could handle Frenda one on one with no abilitys.

>>143723125
Mikoto probably couldn't even handle common street thugs without her powers. Something people like Kuroko and Frenda deal with all the time.

>>143723125
Probably not but that's because Frenda had geat to make up for her lack of ability while Mikoto has no reason to train without her abilities.

>>143723210
How about for for when things go wrong just like what happened right there? That should be reason enough to train especially when your life is on the line.

>>143723125
How could Frenda even strip Mikoto of her powers? She wouldn't fall for the same trap twice.

>>143723336

99% of the threats she faces, even now, don't rely on hand to hand combat or have the power to disable her ability. So it's not really a problem.

>>143723336
You don't need melee training when you have a gun.

>>143723336
Most espers aren't training for combat, they're simply students and experiment subjects. Like I said here >>143723095 only those who actually fight life or death battles regularly feel the need. Mikoto had never come across anything that could last more than a zap or two aside from Touma before the sisters project (not counting Nagai fanfiction.)

>>143723403
She didn't even technically disable her ability. She just basically used a strategy in battle. She wasn't even prepared to fight her. She was preparing for a basic electric user not Mikoto. That's like setting a trap for a mouse and a tiger comes crashing in. That was just a good on the spot plan Frenda hatched up in no time. I've no doubt she could do something similar again.

>>143723125
Mikoto would still be in therapy after getting raped and savagely beaten by delinquents without her biribiriness

She was about to cry when Touma grabbed her and raised his fist

>>143723484
That's another good example. If Touma was a dick he could have punched her lights out.

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>>143723496

> I've no doubt she could do something similar again.

Oh dear. He doesn't know.

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Frenda is for assbreeding
Leave her be

>>143723653
This
Nda>Fre

Frenda Kuroko > Mikoto
Mikotos power was wasted on her. Imagine if that one guy from season one who kicked like 1000 gang members buts had her power.

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>>143715225
I'm sure she'll be a little shy and embarrassed being on a date, so I'll ask if she wants to bring her friend along.

>>143723732
That random guy was probably the best fighter in the entire series.

>>143723732
You mean Mii's sempai?

>>143723606

Give me someone that isn't a handful, please.

>>143723788
Yea, that guy. He totally kicked everybody's ass without breaking a sweat.

>>143723862
I'm pretty sure he did it with a carten of milk in his hand.

All Misakas are best

>>143723909

Worst is best.

>>143715731
>not taking your waifu out on dates
Kill yourself.

>>143715225
Aw yeah!
dis gon be gud

I won't have to worry about the nympho teleporter cockblocking me, will I?

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>>143724039

>>143724221

>Kuroko would have a grand total of ZERO screen time if we ever get index season 3

A wonderful feeling.

>>143724277
She would actually appear at the start of volume 14 when Mikoto is hiding from her. Just a cameo though.

>>143724277
Who do you thinks going to be the main cast?

>>143724340

Read the LN. Touma, Accelerator, Hamazura, and their respective supportng characters. Everyone will forget about Kuroko once superior characters like Saiai get their due time.

>>143715225

You're not my waifu. Fuck off.

>>143724395
Do you think I'll forget about her?

>>143723862
Thing is if he had Mikoto's powers would he work as hard to be a good fighter? Maybe the reason all the high level espers are garbage fighters is because when you can blow up cars and reflect gunfire you don't need to waste time working out and practicing technique. By the time you bump into something your powers can't defeat it is already too late.

>>143724395
Didn't think I'd recognize her but I know who this is. I hate to Beltran it to you but she's a shit. Kuroko is better.

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>>143724601

>Saiai a shit

Now THIS is shitposting.

>>143724601
>break

Her ability seems lame but at least she seems like she dosen't rely on it all the time.

>>143724601
>muh shitposting

>>143724675
What, did you expect the Kuroko posters to have taste?

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>Frenda handled Mikoto
Trained esper killer completely failed to beat an exhausted and weakened Mikoto who was holding back. Frenda was going for the kill the entire time and she still failed, she's lucky Mikoto didn't just atomize her on the spot.

>>143724751
You really like to twist the story? How about girl with no power almost beats Mikoto in a close match? She wasn't even prepared to fight someone like Mikoto.

>>143724749
She just doesn't seem that great? Why should I like her?

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>>143717385
>tfw someone finally mentions your waifu
>tfw Misaki Nakahara has been waifu for years
>thank you based anon

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>>143724395
Even the cute girl from Anti-Skill is better.

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The problem with her is you guys are just thinking about looks. She'd be totally boring.

>>143725061
Friendly reminder to read the novels.

>>143725061

Read the LN faggot. Railgun completely botches her personality.

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>supposed to be a railgun
>doesn't use both arms
She should call herself Gauss Gun instead, that would make a little more sense.

>>143725129
>>143725148
I never judge girls based off of manga or novels because you can't get an accurate description of what they're like. No voice and you can't see how they move or their little habits they might have. I'm sorry you guys found out your Waifu is a boring stale piece of bread the hard way.

>>143725180

I guess her thumb and finger count since that's how she fires it off. Half the esper names are chuuni shit anyways, take Bomber Lance for example.

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>>143725334
>Refuses to read source material
>Insists they have a better grasp of characters
Are you one of those fake fanfic posters by any chance?

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>>143725334
>>143725444

I've said this before, the Haruue, fanfic, and magic shitposters are all the same people.

>>143725444
When the anime is created the creator of the manga usually has a say in what he wants from the characters and what he intended for them to be and how they should sound. When you're reading Manga or light novels more than half the shit you think your waifu is or sounds like is just your imagination.

what does saten look like after the timeskip?

Someone should start writing an actual fanfic called morning star and upload it to fanficion.net to fuck with the shitposters.

>>143724395
>Ignoring the best characters of the series, except for Accelerator

That's why there isn't going to be a Season 3 of Index.

We're better off with A certain scientific Accelerator and Railgun SS.

>>143725540
There's also usually a lot of skipped content or in Railgun's case, where you got most of your "accurate description", complete filler written by somebody else.

>>143725540
good authors/illustrators must/can be able to depict that seriously.
Are you a faggot that never read a book in your childhood because it's tiresome?
Must be shameful to proclaim those views of yours to the world.

>>143725722

Actually the best characters of the series are in the spotlight in Index season 3. I guess you haven't read the LN either.

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>>143725502
>Fanfic

Excuse me, it's called doujin, and I'm a Kurokofag. Thank you.

>>143725734
I'm sorry you feel that way anon but think about it. Any movie or series you've ever watched and read the source material or the books. Once it's been animated or made into a movie it's almost impossible to imagine thane characters as you thought of them before. For instance anybody who read Harry Potter and watched the movie now one hundred percent thinks of Daniel Radcliffe as Harry Potter. The way they made her in the anime is how she was meant to be.

>>143725849
>Less Biribiri
>Spotlight

>>143725899

I said the best characters.

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>>143725871
I feel your pain. People get mad when you discuss it here although it's probably one of the best ones out right now.

>>143725914
Please enlightenment me about who you think it's the best characters.

>inb4 Misaka worst

>>143725879
To work off of your example, what you are currently doing is watching the first movie and refusing to accept any characterization from the later books because they weren't adapted. Plus, adaptations will always cut out smaller details for the sake of pacing more appropriate for a visual format rather than written. A lot of anime adaptations of LNs are particularly bad about this, like how the Shana anime cut out most of the foreshadowing of Snake of the Festival, as well as many of them cutting out large snippets of internal dialogue. An adaptation can give a more solid visual and audio baseline view of a character, but the visual aspect does not apply to LNs and manga due to illustrations. Almost all anime will be less detailed in the art for the sake of efficiency.

>>143725148
>>143724395
Face it Saiai is the way is she in the anime and that's how everyone's is going to remember her when all is said and done. A boring loaf of bread unless she can step her game up if they make another season she's going to remain garbage.

>>143726098
That's because anime takes much much more work and deserves the recognition as the superior form of entertainment despite what hipster fags might say when them very same people who claim the source material is king are always crying for another season. If the source material was better it wouldn't matter. They just can't see that they like the source material because it continues the story but if the entire story was animated almost everyone would stick to the anime and maybe read the source material as a secondary.

>>143715346
Obviously best girl when even her dub voice is good.

>>143726239
Whatever floats your boat I guess, but I ask you this: would you still say you like Kuroko if the anime didn't exist?

>>143726094

It really doesn't take much to beat out Mikoto, especially if we're talking about late OT characters. Accelerator and Hamazura are already givens, getting more development and more complex situations than Mikoto has in nearly 40 volumes. Just look at Itsuwa and the Amakusas rallying against Acqua, Carissa's last stand, etc. Even characters like Awaki and Etzali are significantly more interesting than Mikoto, which is pretty sad considering how they haven't been relevant past volume 19.

I'm not a Mikoto hater but she's really, really overrated. I guess you can blame Kamachi but at least he's doing damage control right now in giving her a change of pace in NT15.

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What seems better?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ucGoLG_b1Xg

>>143726258
Whose?

>>143726376
>situations than Mikoto has in nearly 40 volumes.

That's why I said there won't be a season 3 of Index. Mikoto is too popular with animefags.

>>143726460

Well the people in charge said that Index 3 would come before Railgun 3 no matter what, so secondary Mikotofags can wait.

>>143726460
I just want a season 3 so that some of the secondaries will evolve into Itsuwafags, and (hopefully) the Mikoto autism will die down a little. That, and to see sword surfing animated.

>>143726239
That's why /a/ is anime and manga and not manga and anime.

>>143726486
What they're going to do? Give her more scenes?

A season 3 of index would end in the world war III arc, right? I still have my doubts if it will be popular. It's really a shame, because I really want to see NT animated.

>>143726589

If they rush it, maybe. It'd probably be best if they ended it on Brexit or DRAGON.

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I have never read an LN. How long are the Index LNs?

Are they all F/SN-tier (i.e. I could've read the fucking whole Silmarillion in the time it takes to read the VN)?

>>143726486
Why are you so jelly of Mikoto? There's very few girls who can even compete desu. Just join the club there's plenty of room.

>>143726536

Mark my words, girl in the dress will be a sleeper hit. No one will see it coming.

>>143726722
I'd personally just watch the anime and wiki all the characters that appear in the LN so you can save time and start where everyone's at.

>>143726722

There's 37 volumes so far. Depends on where you start. Volumes 1-22 are the first series, most people start where the anime ended which is volume 14. Volumes 14-22 which ends with WW3 is considered to be the best part of the series.

New Testament 1-15 is the current series, and it's pretty good too. All in all it would take a long while to catch up, but the good stuff is within immediate reach.

>>143726722
Not too long, probably about 300 pages each and Japanese LN pages are pretty small. I can read one in less than an hour or so even with my attention divided. If you want long novels look at the Kawakami ones.

>>143726722
At least you'll be able to watch Carnival Phantasm eventually.

>>143726722
They can range anywhere from 200 to over 400 pages each if I recall. Not to long to read surprisingly except for some of the earlier ones. They are boring as shit. I'd recommend watching the anime if haven't already and starting from LN 14 to get through the boring arcs easier.

>>143726873

There were few boring segments past volume 14. 1-13 however, fuck me.

>>143715225
Did I lose some bet? Do I really have to meet up to the date or can I just leave her waiting?

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>>143726722
You're in for a lot of this.

>>143726928
It was amazing how Kamachi spun such brutally boring shit into something so amazing. It still pains me to this day that the anime ended where it did. If I wasn't so damn curious about the imagine breaker I probably would have dropped it there.

>>143726999

Reminder that Kuroko has not been relevant in the LN since 2007.

>>143727018
That's because anime. Take a look at Flying Witch. That's shits like watching paint dry but they managed to make it extremely likable because anime is literally magic. A well executed anime will always be better than the manga. After all a manga is basically just still images in black and white with no music.

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>>143727162

Do you ever get tired of your relentless, nonsensical shitposting?

>>143727162
If all anime were well-executed that would be wonderful, but let's be honest; a lot are absolutely terrible and there are a lot of series that would be extremely difficult for an anime to match the original content. People wish for an Index S3 because it could reasonably be well done, but anybody reading Tsugumomo would know that it just wouldn't be financially feasible for an anime to be up to the standards set by the manga.

>>143715225
behead for allah
لدولة إسلامية

>>143727324
You mean the non moving black and white images with no music and no voice actors that most people with good art skills can draw themselves? Those standards

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ARRRGGGHHH KANZAKI HELP ME, IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN

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KANZAKI THIS ISN'T FUNNY

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KANZAKI! HELLLP MEEEEE!!!
KAMIJOU IS... UGH! HE'S TOO STRONG!!!
AAAUUUUUGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!

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DON'T JUST STAND THERE KANZAKI, DO SOMETHING

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KANZAKI ARE YOU SEEING THIS

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>>143716578

>>143727594
The shitposting image was updated last night mate, it's too late to audition.

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K.....Kanzaki....H-Help...meeee.....

>>143727861
I know what this is, you're mad because your favorite girl isn't animated yet aren't you?

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YEARGH KANZAKI COME TO MY AID, 'TIS RECURRING PHENOMENON

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KANZAKI I FUCKING SWEAR

>>143723764
The second I opened that the song started playing in my head.

>>143715225
I'd screw her until she's mind broken.

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Did she deserve it?

>>143726722

I never get people like you. What is the point of even wanting to be a fan of a franchise which revolves around an original creative work and some adaptations if you aren't committed to getting to experience the original work without reservations at some point? Like what is the purpose even of doing that?

I never got why /lit/ made such a big fuss over LOTR or Harry Potter movie-only people who made threads about them but after just seeing the same phenomenon happen across different mediums and fanbases, I really think that people are just lazy and want to like something without going through a proper effort to do so and for imageboards like here, get into discussions.

>>143719048
>girls smelling like ozone
I did not know I had this desire... thanks /a/

>>143727937
USE YOUR RUNES

>>143728076
That's not me that's another guy.

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>>143725180
She does have rails, but they're invisible.

You can assume that because she can completely control the flow of electrons that she just forces them through the path that real rails would be on because as long as the charge flows, the Railgun effect will still hold.

Pic related.

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Last night I had a dream. I dreamed that Kamijou was beating me to a pulp while I screamed and cried for help, then I crawled over to a computer and shitposted on /a/. Then Index came over and stroked my head and kissed my cheek and said I could lay my head on her lap, she had finally regained her memories of me and Kanzaki and was crying because she saw how bruised I was, how I had suffered for her sake and waited all this time. I told her it was all over and said I will stand with her all my life, and /a/ gave us their blessing and all was well. Then I woke up

I see this dream many times lately, it must be a sign

>>143728033
No not really. She really didn't do anything wrong besides try and help one of her friends. How was she supposed to know it would backfire on her? She didn't know the state Shirai was in when she approached her.

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>>143728076
Why is it so important to experience the original work?

Why not just experience the best works in the franchise?

In fact, if fan works turned out to be better than the original work and the fan work can be enjoyed to a high extent without reading the original work, why read works of the original author at all?

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HELP HE HAS A DRAGON AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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WHY WON'T ANYONE SAVE ME

>>143728301
As long as you watch the anime you'll be fine. I usually just spend the time people use to read their light novels watching new anime I've not yet seen which is more satisfying that reading some still black and white images.

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>>143715225
Misaka 10032 Best Misake

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SOMEONE HELP
HE'S GONE OFF THE DEEP END

As you can see I've never read the source material and yet you'd never guess.

>>143728301
Various reasons, but in the case of a series like this where the adaptation has not covered everything, it's the desire to see the story progress. I've almost completely stopped watching anime because I got sick of them never finishing the story. I'm addicted to plot, so to speak, and nothing irritates me more than one where I can't see it to the end (unless it's boring enough for me to drop it).

>>143728466

Depending on which posts are yours anyone could guess, because this thread has been full of secondary shitposting.

>>143728481
What if a fan work encompassed more of the story than the original work? Would you still read the original?

>>143728557
Yea but that could be anybody though.

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THIS IS MY FAVORITE SCENE FROM THE LNS

KAMIJOU ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>143728558
I would never knowingly read a fan work without at least checking out the original, to do otherwise just seems strange to me.

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>>143728558
>read
Good one, what do you think I am? Some kind of nerd?

I strictly watch anime and if anybody talks about something I don't know about I use Wiki.

>>143728666

Thanks for being a part of the problem, Satan.

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GYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>143728625
Why do you do read original works then? Just out of habit?

There must be some sort of principle behind your reading an original work even in cases where a fan work encompasses both the the original part of the story and more, and both even at a higher quality.

>>143728634
Fine, "masturbate to" then.

>>143728301

In terms of here, discussion usually. Otherwise, there isn't a reason. I don't necessarily care that people like you exist because enjoyment is relative but discussion,I just mostly stay out of when it comes to any big franchise work because favor ignorance or outright lie over details adaptations didn't cover from the original work.

Worse are the people who read synopsis and then claim they have knowledge of the original work, which is even more infuriating.

It's just pure laziness, short and simple. Which is fine. But way too may people in terms of discussion contexts claim equality or superiority for less effort when that objectively isn't the case by the very definition of what an adaptation is.

And in terms of fan work, if the fan work is better, it will usually spawn its own sub creative work and be able to be self sufficient without the virtue of the original work. But I've never gotten into a franchise where these conditions have applied. And don't cite Touhou. That just opens a whole can of worms left best for /jp/ with secondaries.

>>143728747
I don't think I've ever seen a fanwork be "the original story and more" for anything with more plot than say, Touhou. They might do a better job with the plot and characters, but fanworks will almost always work on the assumption that readers are familiar with the original, and cut corners in many aspects because of that. Series with little plot in the first place are a good place for fanworks to thrive, but even then one must note that none of the fanwork is canon (except for the rare occurrences where it is made canon by the original author(s)) For the sake of discussing a work where the adaptation has not covered the entire series, the original work always takes precedence unless the adaptation has branched off into it's own continuity like the 2003 FMA anime. If that happens, it's a bit fuzzier, but rarely is the branch-off of comparable quality. To make a comparison without using Index, compared the 2003 FMA and the manga compared to say, Yumekui Merry or Pandora Hearts and their godawful anime-only endings.
I ended up writing a lot more than I meant to there.

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Let's play a game guys! It's called list one of your favorite girls achevments in the series. I'll go first!

Haruue
>Saved Acadamy city from annihilation and the lives of everybody inside it.

>>143728774
By saying that you gain superior knowledge through consuming the original work, you are making a claim of what the truth in a fictional universe is, or, in other words, a claim of canonicity.

However, I don't think it's that easy. Imagine the following cases:

Anon A watches the original Gundam series.
Anon B reads the Gundam novels about the original series.

The Gundam series came first, and the Gundam series and Gundam novels about the original series are contradicting each other in their content, despite being from the same author.

Which is canon? Can Anon A claim that he has superior knowledge about the truth in the fictional universe, because he read the original work?

Add to that an Anon C that read an official remake of the original series, approved by the original author Tomino,
and an Anon D that read an inofficial remake that greatly surpassed the original and became the de-facto starting point for all future Gundam works.

All works contradict each other. Which is canon?

>>143728972
>but fanworks will almost always work on the assumption that readers are familiar with the original, and cut corners in many aspects because of that
Maybe I should've used the term "derivative works". "Fan works" sounds too much like a term focused on veneration, where keeping the substance that is being venerated the same is more important.

>>143729300
I think that guy meant that since the novels were the original works, those are what anybody who wishes to discuss a series should catch up on to properly participate in discussion. Series where the novels came second are less of a concern, since the novels are not the original works, at least to me that's how I see it. I wouldn't expect someone to read the Star Wars expanded universe when talking about the series since the movies were first (even if the prequel trilogy and episode 7 were rather not good.) Though on that note, Star Wars is a series where the derivative works are actually more interesting to the more well-versed fans. I guess to me, the important part is as you said, gaining more knowledge on the matter. For a series like Index, the adaptations are far behind the source material, so the source material holds far more importance in discussion, especially since it is widely agreed upon by those who have read the novels that the best parts have not been covered yet.

>>143729547
That's just your opinion though.

Holy Christ I'm so excited, I thought Railgun was the only anime series. I didn't realize there was a whole other anime (a certain magical index) I just ran across it while listening to the into to Railgun on YouTube. What am I in for?

>>143729705
>intro

>>143729300

You don't claim canonicity. You establish it by releasing works. In the case you presented, the Gundam anime series would be the sole entry establishing the canon by virtue of it coming first. The creative works after then that contradict this established canon so you would have to reach for outside information regarding how to interpret these later entries. Are the works just wrong? Did they retcon anything? And etc.

Usually in terms of information that you find on this type of stuff, things are hard to really say. But for me and most people, I think whatever makes the most sense and follow's the author's intent most about the original work usually clears up most misconceptions about what the canon is and the minute details which aren't of much importance usually gets left up in the air and are topics of contentious discussions.

But no one usually would do such a convoluted thing. Usually, a work establishes a canon and later works refine it unless it is standalone. Adaptations also try not to contradict and to just try and repackage the original work in a different medium or rework itself.

The only thing that comes this close in my mind is with the video game series Ys from Falcom with its 4th game and the situation that happened. The parent company, Falcom, wrote a script basically for their series, and then sold it to two different companies who based on this script made two games that were similar but had quite a number of differences. One of the games was clearly better than the other but contradicted a ton of established canon from the series much more so than the second one. The situation for years was to treat both games as two different takes on a basic plot story. This situation only was resolved when the parent company Falcom decided to remake the game after ~20 years doing it themselves to clear up everything.

>>143729705

Pump your brakes, it's Index and Railgun are rather different. Index is more of a harem/action mix, but it's got things to separate it from the usual haremshit. The two seasons are alright, you'll probably enjoy it more if you liked Accelerator. The real meat of the series lies in the LN though, as well as the Railgun manga. You should probably get started on that manga if you haven't already.

>>143729705
Anime wise Index is pretty standard action/harem and Railgun is more of a "power of friendship" and cute girls thing (except for the first half of the second season of Railgun). The Index anime is probably a bout a 7/10 but they nailed a few particular scenes extremely well, Railgun is about the same, but the first 13 episodes of season 2 are far above the rest, dragged down by the second half.
The same author also wrote Heavy Object, which is about two bros in the military blowing up massive death bots, that one got a fairly decent adaptation that got significantly better in the second half both due to better source material as it made it's way through the novels and the animators getting their shit together. That series is also intentionally episodic, so if you read the novels, you can pick up any of them after volume 1 and mostly understand what is going on. If you enjoyed those then you can make your way to the other works by Kamachi, he writes a lot, Zashiki Warashi is probably his best.

>>143729733
>You don't claim canonicity. You establish it by releasing works.
One then has to ask whose releases qualify, because by sheer release power and instances of being the last to releases an entry in the franchise, fan works almost always have an overpowering presence.

>by virtue of it coming first.
Why is that a K-O-criterium?

>I think whatever makes the most sense and follow's the author's intent most about the original work usually clears up most misconceptions about what the canon is
The author's intent is up to interpretation, even if he openly announces his will, and (good) fan entries are more likely to make sense because they can always give ad-hoc explanations for why something they introduce is true.

>But no one usually would do such a convoluted thing.
In literature it is less common than in other fields. However, in music there is a long tradition of symphonies of earlier authors being finished by later authors simpl because the earlier ones die, and those additions from later authors are very often considered to be canon.
Still, it happens even in literature - mostly in the long run. Nowadays, after countless new retellings of Percival's story, it would be hard to tell which one is "canon", and in cases like Plutarch's retelling of Horus' dismemberment, we know that it isn't the original work, but we simply don't know what the original work said and consider Plutarch's version to be the "canon" one.

>Adaptations also try not to contradict and to just try and repackage the original work in a different medium or rework itself.
If an adaptive work is not synonymous in its content with the original work (in which case it would simply be the original work), then it already contradicts the original work.
There is no such thing two non-contradictory different works telling the same story.

>>143730001
So you're basically saying the index anime isn't that great?

I'm not surprised, I guess there's a reason I'd never heard of it until now. I'm just glad I have more content.

>>143730166
I fucking love index, but anime is 6/10 , maybe 7/10 at best. It starts to get better right when it ends.

Index was the worst thing about this series. This can not be disputed,

She will never love you more than she loves ebin arm man

>>143730499
>>143730521
What's happening? Stop conflicting me. Are the girls from the Railgun in it at least? I can't watch it myself right now because work.

>>143730166
In all honestly it isn't anything special, like many LN adaptations it never reached the best parts. Railgun is even worse since half of it is literal fanfiction and the rest changes a good bit of characterization compared to the manga which is the original work of the spin-off. The reason the first 13 episodes of Railgun season 2 are good is because the second season of Railgun had a lot of budget and for those episodes they were forced to stay with the canon since that covers an arc from the main series that is an extremely important part of the spin-off's main character's character. Then the anime-only second half took said characterization and threw it out the window while dumbing down the characters.
That said, the Index anime isn't bad, and the parts where they really nailed the scene make the lesser parts sort of worth it. If a season 3 ever got made it would be an absolute blast. Gotta sleep now, I've already been up far later than I should have when I have work tomorrow.

>>143730562

They're all in it besides Saten. They don't really do anything once you reach the light novel besides Mikoto though, if you recall the mercenary girls from season 2, they play a bigger role there.

>>143730562
I enjoyed the anime, I'm just saying the character called index in the index series is fucking horrible and the worst thing about it

>>143730564
Your opinion doesn't matter because I loved Railgun.

>>143730596
>besides Saten
That's a pretty big loss but as long as The rest of them are there I can live with that.

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>>143730562
>>143730564
The railgun girls aside from the main character of the spin-off barely make any appearance at all, though one of them is sort of the main character of a novel. There are Railgun-only adherents who are more interested in the girls, but I'd imagine at least 95% of them have never touched the novels. If you're in it for girls, there are far better ones in the later novels, or better yet, read Zashiki Warashi for true best girl. I said that last one was my last one since I gotta sleep, but one last Enbi post to finish off the night.

>>143730618
Why does everyone seem to hate her? She just seems like a cute magic preist. She even made an appearance in Railgun which means she already more important than half the girls in this series that aren't even animated.

>>143730689
If the hunger and biting got toned down a lot people would like her, which is why she was likeable in the parts she actually did something like when she took on a golem or diverted a magical sniper round.

>>143730689

>She even made an appearance in Railgun which means she already more important than half the girls in this series that aren't even animated.

I wish I could be this delusional.

>>143730665
How do you even know how great these so called girls are if they aren't even animated? You don't know their voice or how they move or hardly anything about them besides what you imagine when reading and looking at their picture. You could end up like those Seiai guys who thought she was amazing but found out she's a monotone loaf of bread in the anime which consequently everyone will remember her as from now on.

>>143730689
because all her character does is bitch at the mc to give her shit or she'll bite him and this is like every ep. She does just about nothing else barring complaining and attacking toma, she is a shit

>>143722392
>Index 3
Top kek, anon.

>>143730882
So? I never really like him anyways and isn't her character magic which means she could make him her bitch if she wanted without lifting a pinky finger?

>>143731048
Liked*

>>143730689
She is basicly useless now when othinus is around

>>143731048
No she isn't magic she can't really do shit. Toma is a pretty good mc you just seem to have shit taste have fun enjoying index as a character

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>>143730665
>>143730806

I don't even know what to call this brand of shitposting that's been in raildex threads lately. I could go the easy route and call it autism but this is more annoying than any THK, LRD, or shipper/hater boogeyman. Doesn't help that most of it is coming from one or more mobileposters.

>>143731048
Not really, her not really being able to use the magic she knows aside, IB makes Touma a major mage-killer. The biggest problem is mainly that she's just being a shitty roommate considering she stays for free on his dime and does nothing to help aside from magic knowledge that he does fine without half of the time anyway.

>>143731159
From what I've heard the magic users I. This anime are on par with Goku or some shit from Dbz and that's the weak ones. Why would she be any different? At one point I heard somebody say even a character like Mikoto fighting a magic user could be like a newborn baby with its arms tied behind its back fighting Mike Tyson in his prime.

>>143730116

>One then has to ask whose releases qualify, because by sheer release power and instances of being the last to releases an entry in the franchise, fan works almost always have an overpowering presence.

I really do not subscribe to the amount of attention and focus you are placing fan works.

But even so, it's basic etiquette in communities like doujin, open source, etc. that you ABSOLUTELY DO NOT create confusion as to what a thing is, or who's responsible for it. Which is why doujins in Japan have disclaimers like:

>Warning: This is a fanwork based on X.
>It differs considerably from the original works, and may be disrespectful of the characters and setting.
>Please proceed with caution if you wish to preserve the image of the original works. If you dislike such fanworks, please do not continue reading.

Western fandom is... quite different. A lot more so in regards with respect that our law codifies the limits of what you can do.

>Why is that a K-O-criterium?

Because common sense? What else is there to establish canon with if you do not have an originating creative work? You can not as a rational person justify rebasing the canonicity of a work arbitrarily if it was not done already by the author with explicit mention or if you are yourself making a derivative work, which then you would also have the problem of gaining sponsorship officially for our work to be the rebasing source for a franchise.

>The author's intent is up to interpretation, even if he openly announces his will, and (good) fan entries are more likely to make sense because they can always give ad-hoc explanations for why something they introduce is true.

I do not subscribe to New Criticism and similar camps of thinking, enough said. But that aside, you run into why fan works should be taken canonically and that usually means you need official sponsorship and recognition. Just because one person or a group of people think X is canon from a series due to Y doesn't mean it is so.

>>143731119
So she's not magic? The guy below us just said she was?

>>143731262
Not really. Magic gods are dead, and Misaka was fine when fighting saint. And index cant use magic, her mana supply was basicly cut off

>>143726031
RIP Saten.

>>143731262
Because all she can do outside of Johns Pen mode is spell intercept, which is absolutely useless against a non-mage. Plus, magic is Kamachi works are heavily influenced by meanings, which is why there are often strong and simple counters to many mages. That's why you never see a mage fly, every other mage knows that anti-flight spell. Another example is Etzali's spear that I'm not even going to try to remember how to spell. It can disassemble and by extension kill any target in one hit by reflecting the light of Venus. However it is difficult to target with and he can only target one foe at a time no matter how weak.

>>143731369
So now all of these so called unbeatable legendary Magic gods are dead just like that?

>>143731460
Yes you didnt read the fucknig novels?

>>143731460
Sort of, there's a lot more behind it, but I don't want to spoil like the other guy.

>>143731484
No or else I would have probably known that.

>>143731460
Not exactly. They all got banished to worlds created specifically to be perfect for them, so they have no desire to return. They're basically dead for our purposes though.

>>143731456
So Magic user are actually shit compared to espers?

>>143731504
Then why are you discussing index here? Anime is like 20 volumes behind novels

>>143731369
Misaka barely survived fighting Brunhild, who only has the full power of a Saint part of the time.

>>143731562
I dont remember Misaka being hurt in that fight. She even had time to help touma.

>>143731540
Because I didn't know a Index anime existed until about a half hour ago. I only thought there was a Railgun anime.

Misaka is shit.

>>143731534
No, they're different power systems that work in different ways. Magicians are generally more powerful because there's a lot more of them and magic has been studied for centuries, plus you can improve your magic with hard work while espers are stuck at whatever level the parameter list dictates.

>>143731534
espers will usually come out on top in a one on one fight.

>>143731534
Not exactly, like I said before it's not about raw power levels. Espers have the benefit of always being able to use their power unless the environment doesn't allow for it like a flame esper in a location with no oxygen. On the other hand magicians can do a lot more overall, but often require a lot of prep work and have to spend their lives perfecting their main spell except for saints and a few select others. Magic gods take said prep work and perfecting to the extreme, but there's more behind that as well.

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>>143731645
>>143731647
What's happening?

>>143718317
half excellent

>>143731685
Well >>143731647 is wrong, unless he means that a Level 5 or maybe some upper-tier Level 4s will always beat a no-name magician. I forget the breakdowns in how many of each Level there are, but I'm pretty sure the average esper is a Level 3, who would probably lose to most magicians unless they have a very combat-focused ability.

>>143731647
No they dont. Accel jobbed to some low level shitters in hawaii and was afraid cendrilion might fuck him up and he is strongest esper there is

>>143731748
So the espers are actually shit than? You're contradicting what people are saying here.

>>143715225
I'm going home.

>>143731842
Magic is much more versatile than esper power.

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>>143725722
sieg heil

>>143731842
Pretty much every response to you has been "It's complicated" and you're still going "Yeah but are they shit or not shit???"

>>143731882

I'm wondering when people will realize he's a subtle shitposter that's been doing this across multiple threads.

>>143731842
You seem to have the thought that if it isn't the higher power level it's shit. Kamachi works in general don't really focus on raw power levels. Everything has a weakness, the whole point of the conflict is to find it, that's just what Kamachi writes.

>>143731902
At least the discussion it generates is slightly more interesting than "X a shit, no Y a shit" shitposting.

>>143731743
>I'm pretty sure the average esper is a Level 3

Nah, it's more of a logarithmic distribution. About 60% (1.1 million) of the entire city is Level 0, and you can assume that every level above is smaller than the level below, ending at the currently 7 Level 5's.

Even at the highest possible distribution (184 thousand people in levels 1-4), the average level that way would be 1.

>>143731267
>You can not as a rational person justify rebasing the canonicity of a work arbitrarily
Actually, I can. But can you justify what the "base canonicity" is, if you call this "rebasing".

You completely arbitrarily define that base canonicity.

>I do not subscribe to New Criticism and similar camps of thinking, enough said.
I doesn't take New Criticism to make the expression of intent up to interpretation.

Just look at any legal tradition anywhere, starting from Ancient Roman Law's stance on the will of an author in a testament.

>>143731904
So they're basically pretty even? It just depends basically on the power they have?

>>143715527
Jesus..

>>143731941
Why are most espers so weak? Can Saten learn magic? That would be great considering how pathetic she feels compared to her friends and the writers not doing anything to help her character develop esper powers.

>>143732383
Her esper powers don't seem like they'd be great anyways. When she used the level upper her ability was to float leafs around in her hands.

>>143732383
Using Magic causes an Esper's blood vessels to explode.

>>143732383
>Why are most espers so weak?

It's more efficient from AC's point of view to focus development on those who will be able to reach strong powers, so those who will only be able to reach level1/2 at most are neglected. This heavily skews the distribution.

>Can Saten learn magic?

Nope level 0's are fucked on the superpower area. negligible esper powers and still incompatible with magic.

>>143732435
But is she even technically an esper? She's a lv0.

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Is the Accelerator manga's art supposed to be intentionally funny? Because I can't take a single character seriously, not even Accelerator himself.

>>143732383
Nope, even a level 0 esper has gone through the curriculum and would suffer the backlash. Levinia was very clear about that when Hamazura asked. That said a certain few espers can survive magic due to either expendable body parts like Umidori, Tsuchimikado's auto-regen (though it still fucks him up horribly) and then Accelerator since he can maintain the backlash in his body if he put all of his focus into doing so, but he can't do much with it because of the tremendous amount of concentration needed just to not have his body fall apart.

>>143732482
Yes. Level 0s still produce AIM, so they're still Espers. This is in contrast to Touma, who isn't even an Esper since he generates no AIM.

>>143732482
Level 0's are still espers. All of them generate a measurable AIM field (except Touma due to IB).

>>143732521
Touma is an esper. IB just wipes out his own AIM field. He went through the curriculum.

>>143732507
>>143732521
Holy Jesus fuck! So you're telling me my beloved Saten is going to remain a pathetic loser forever because she's born a lv0? She can't ever be powerful?

>>143732572
Nope. Power isn't everything anyway, a peaceful is more appealing.

>>143732637
I don't care about her being able to have power so she can fight. I just remember how she actually felt about herself from the level upper ark and was willing to risk her life and broke down over it. You've got to think she lives among amazing espers who unintentionally rub it in her face all the time.

Remember how happy she was when she was able to move a couple leafs around in her hands?

>>143732731
Even that was taken away from her.

>>143732572
She wasn't born a Lv0, she was born as a normal human. After going through the curriculum she became a Level 0.

But yeah in the current situation she's pretty fucked (until AC figures out how to prevent Lv0's from happening but it's really not in their best interests currently.

Furthermore Saten also isn't particularly good at science so she's probably also not going to excel in the technological world of academy city.

>>143732704
Academy City is far from a utopia due to stuff like this. It's partially the cause for the skillout gangs, social unrest in the city, etc.

While in railgun AC is often depicted as some kind of utopia on the surface, it really is far from it. Why do you think the existence of the Parameter List was such a closely guarded secret.

Even though at the end of the level upper ark when she said she was fine with it you can tell she clearly wasn't by the way she was looking at her hands.

>>143732704
The grass is always greener as they say, Accelerator wasn't too happy about his life and all of the shit that happened because of his power.

>>143732560
He isnt. He is normal person with special ability

>>143732790
Yea well that's a special case.

>>143732846
More common than you would think given the dark side affairs like the Dark May Project. Espers are just experimental subjects, don't forget that.

>>143732845
He is. Esper is used to refer to anyone who went through the curriculum or had powers naturally (gemstones).

It's just that he also has a special power next to being an esper, and this special power negates whatever esper powers he would have.

>>143732846
Generally the higher level people had, the larger the chance was that they got roped into all kinds of unethical things in AC.

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>>143715225
Would marry and take her home.

>>143732899
>>143732931
Yea well Saten clearly isn't asking to be a lv5. She was happy just floating a couple of twigs around her hands. That's all she's asking for. That's literally the happiest you see her in the series.

>>143732572
Technically she might be able to hit a higher level, but AC isn't going to shell out the shekels to level her up since they don't need her.

>>143733020

This. Her power is pretty much the same as Kongou's anyways. It's just another Mental Stinger situation.

>>143732704
Didn't she come to terms with that though? Power of no, she went with the girls into the base to save the kids and kept enough composure to make the right call in the face of death.

Then she stood with Uiharu and a few security robots against a literal army of power armor suits armed with just a bat, and THEN she piloted a giant robot that she learned to operate just by reading the fucking manual.

She is hands down one of the most courageous of the girls.

>>143716578
>Likes Misaki, yet hate tsundere
No taste and amusing irony.

Systems basically like a person in a motorcycle gang but without a motorcycle always watching friends have fun in them and finally finds a way to obtain a shit Chinese moped or something and is so happy she cries and has the time of her like putting around on it until it gives her a fucking heart attack and is taken away forever and she's once again left with nothing and her friends give her a small amount of comfort and then completely forget about it the next day.

>>143733059
No she didn't come to terms with it! She said she was okay but she was looking at her hands like her perants died and she found out she had cancer on the same day. She was clearly not okay.

>>143733059
Nagai fanfiction doesn't count (the guy feels the need to shove Saten in basically any situation no matter how silly it is compared to the original arcs).

>>143733091
I think you meant "Saten", not "Systems". but even then dear god use some punctuation.

Holy shit, autistic hater's wall of texts in here is off the chsrts.

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>>143715225

So when is Bane coming back?

>>143733059
That robot shit was anime only filler

>>143733091
Systems
Sorry I meant Saten

>>143732704
>god damn those constant microaggressions from those privileged higher leveled espers!

>>143733091

She could always become the motorcycle.

>>143733175
Yea if you mean a used up junker sitting around in a junkyard because obviously the writers don't care about her.

>>143733170
What are you implying?

>>143733149
Well shit, I had no idea.

Still, she knows better than anyone just how powerless she is, yet she still joined the girls to save the kids. Had she run into literally anything without Mikoto or Shirai she would have been shit out of luck, and even when Lifeline showed up and put the gang in check, rather than do something dumb like calling attention to herself as a distraction or anything she ran off and saved the day.

If not for the typical "villain's monologue," giving her time to make the right call, literally all of them would have died.

Are.we being raided with retarded copypssta or something?

>>143724903
Have fun with your mulipulitive and slightly abusive waifu.

You guys don't understand. Saten does actually have a power, something that is neither magic nor science like imagine breaker.

I call it "Interference". It's the power to consistently get in everyone's way and attract danger.

>>143733290
That the levelupper arc for saten had a very important message.
People are different in what they can and can not do. People also deal with that fact by finding what it is they can do and find their own value in that, instead of constant bitching about the things they can not do.

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Threadly reminder than Kuroko should now be called dark Kuroko and doesn't deserve a fanbase.

>>143733400
That's why she was looking at her hands like she lost all hope in life after she said she was "okay" with being a pathetic loser the rest of her life right?

>>143733452
If that's how you've interpreted it that's your problem.

>>143733390
Yes.

>>143733390

For the past two weeks or so, yeah.

>>143733403
>"dark Kuroko"
>"dark black girl"

but why.

>>143733486
There's honestly no need for that. It was painfully obvious Saten was ready to die for that small ability she had and something like that isn't just "okay" after a day. She was looking at her hands like a big ass dog snatched her wallet after payday and ran like a bat out of hell right as she said she was okay with it. So you know what reading between the lines is? I'm not even making it a bigger deal than it already was. She look extremely depressed when she said she was alright.

>>143733403
>doesn't deserve a fan base
So no change then?

>>143733403
VERY fast nippon man running at incredible hihg speed

>>143733565
Basically this.
>>143726031

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>>143733635

Reminder how much regret Saten felt when she learned the side-effects of the LevelUpper. Reminder that she called Uiharu practically broken by what she had done.

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>>143733669

>>143733390
>>143733501
>>143733544

At least a good half of every thread is consumed by this nonsense. It always starts with >>143715385. I guess a couple people decided that raildex threads needed to go to shit.