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Is hayate the strongest Nanoha?

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Is hayate the strongest Nanoha?
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She's a walking nuke, but slow and unskilled, therefore useless for direct combat.

She only has huge mana and OP spells, nothing else.
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Yes.

Source: my penis
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>>143716186
This basically. She's meant to fight alongside her knights because they can take the heat off her while she nukes shit. She can't get much done on her own.
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>>143715124
Lesbian Jesus is
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>>143718209
In fairness, once she starts lobbing those nukes, it's really hard to stop her effectively.
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I want to impregnate wheelchair Hayate.
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>>143715124
Nanoha or Signum are probably the strongest in actual combat. While their nuking capability isn't quite as good as Hayate, it's still damn impressive and all the rest of their combat abilities are light years ahead.
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>>143720997
That depends on what you actual define as "actual combat", all the strong mages in the series are more or less specialized in something, and are more suited for different kinds of battle scenarios, overall Hayate has the higher power leveled, followed by Nanoha and Fate, and then Signum. In straight 1v1 duels or sparring Signum seems to have the advantage since she is very strong at close range combat and can tank and get close to her opponents with ease, I can only see Fate being more suited for this kind of battle but I don't think we will never see her seriously sparring with anyone anymore, or having a real 1v1 fight against a strong opponent for that matter.
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In terms of firepower alone, yes.

She's very powerful, but relegated to rear support roles because she's a nuclear bomber that cannot do normal combat at all and her spells take forever to go off.
She's powerful if she has fighters on the front keeping the enemy busy and buying her time for her spells to be ready.
The reason why the Yagamis are stated to be unstoppable in a team battle in Vivid is simply due to how well they are as a team. The roles they have would probably go like this
>Front attacker: Vita/Signum
>Guard wing: Zafira
>Center guard: Shamal
>Rear support: Hayate/Rein
Their strategy would simply be "Buy time for Hayate to nuke the field", and this is made even better by the fact that Signum and Vita are tanky as fuck and decently fast so its not easy to get past them to attack Shamal, much less Hayate.

Nanoha and Fate is more well-rounded, with Nanoha leaning towards shooting and being more tanky and Fate leaning towards melee and being fast with minimal protection for more fast.
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Posting royalty in a tanuki thread.
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Given that this is a Nanoha thread, I'll ask this: Triangle Heart 3 translation when?
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>>143726713
Given that we only just barely got Vivid subs, probably never ever.
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>>143726758

Wait, the Vivid anime isn't fully subbed?
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>>143728449
Nah. A kind anon subbed it as it aired.

He was a great man.
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>>143715124
And cutest.
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>>143731298
Sorry, but Vita is cutest
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>>143728915

And what did you mean by "barely" then?
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>>143731387
Not that anon.
The person who subbed Vivid nearly gave up on it several times, but kept at it when it was clear no one else was going to do it
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>>143715124
Yuri Eberwein > Reinforce Eins > Lord Dearche > Hayate
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>>143724093
Anon you need to play GoD.
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>>143719271
Yeah, it's not just nuking, she provides the full ICBM delivery package. And that was without unison.

>>143718209
or she could approach with a spaceship and start nuking things from orbit. first mover advantage and the ultimate high ground: a gravity well.
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>>143715124
I like Hayate very much, but her rank is composite and not air.

You cannot directly relate the two of them.
Air is supposed to be a direct indicator of combat ability with a usual +- room for error.
Composite ranks are based on thing like unnatural high amounts of mana and other stuff that do not necessarily translate into direct combat ability and can mean that a SSS composite can lose to an A air rank.

>>143720997
See this guy >>143721640
He has a good point.
They are all suited to different kinds of battle.
For example Fate lacks defense so much a single hit can kill her, but for that her base speed is in Force already at lightspeed (they have a short extra page after she protected Nanoha from the Axe guy that teleports, who at first thinks she is actually a teleporter, but then corrects himself to her being just as fast as light, this was in her base form without augmentations).
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Hayate has a round ____
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>>143718209

But the knights are a part of her power. So she has 3 tanks and a healer protecting her while she's throwing those nukes.

So yes, overall she's by far the most powerful.
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>>143732667

And whatever Reinforce is
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Fate is the best
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>>143732667
>But the knights are a part of her power.
Were. The guardian knight system is fading and they're simply sticking with her because she's part of the family and because they're made of 110% loyalty.

Besides being defense programs and weapons of mass destruction they're also people.
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>>143732595
fetish.
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>>143731871
I did.

GoD Hayate was trained by Eins on how to manage her massive mana pool and all.
Normal Hayate never got the training.

The real strongest is really extreme characters like Yuri(Who has an indestructible WMD in her) and Eins herself(Who is a WMD).
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>>143715124
no, because fate could *teleports behind*
*stabs her in the back* pssss nothing personel kid.
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>>143734761
Case and point.

Yuri Eberwein > Reinforce Eins > Lord Dearche > Hayate(sync with Zwei)
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>>143738536
>Lord Dearche > Hayate(sync with Zwei)
Which timeline's Hayate are you talking about?
Because While the Materials are probably stronger than their counterparts in BoA, by the time of GoD, I'd but them on the same level.
In other words:
Lord Dearche = GoD Hayate > Main timeline Hayate
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>>143733429
Since people are talking about GoD in this thread I was wondering, are the Knights fading in that timeline too like they are in the main one?
I mean, the original Book of the Night Sky is still around, so they could just have Eins reattach them too it after the battle with the Defense Program, right?
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>>143741119
The Knights themselves aren't fading. Just the connection to Hayate from the book is.
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>>143715124
If you ignore the fanfiction-tier stuff in the PSP games, then yeah.

But as it happens the narration might still throw win more powerful adversaries as needed. Eclipse users, ad-hoc boosts for story puproses, you know how it works.
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>>143728915
Yeah, and he did a pretty good job, so in the end, it was probably way more worth than if FFF or such group continued. To think we here told him that he doesn't have to do it anymore when first FFF episode got released.

Hahaha we made such fools of ourselves.
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i think a jeremiah could beat Yuri in a duel
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>>143741119
They aren't fading.

They are just becoming less connected to Hayate, if anything disastrous happens to them, Hayate cannot reboot the Guardian Knight program(Like she did when she renamed the Book) to bring them back.
The connection to Hayate fading also meant that they are recovering from their injuries slower(Presumably due to the drop in extra magic coming from Hayate), also when the connection goes out completely, Hayate most probably won't even be able to instinctively tell that one of the her knights is severely wounded like she did for Shamal and Zafira when they went down in StrikerS.


One interesting to note about Hayate is that her mana pool is so big, she was presumably giving extra power to the 4 knights(who had their own linker core and everything) via the link to them, and her mana pool is apparently not at all affected by that.
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>>143741101

Signum makes me feel things
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>>143742004

So does every character who gets thrown away work for the library?
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>>143741119
The only person that is arguably fading in GoD was most probably Eins.

Eins herself, who previously was a powerhouse, was so weak that Vita was beating the shit out of her by the end of BoA.
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>>143741604
>>143742282
Okay, then can that be fixed by Eins and the original book still being around?
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>>143715124
Nah Dearche has her outclassed.

Though Hayate is the most dangerous molester.
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>>143743159
They're on roughly the same level by the end of GoD
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Fate is my waifu.
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>>143743747
Nanoha please, this is a Hayate thread.
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>>143743747

Fate a cutie
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>>143744676
i want to commit a crime
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>>143742004
Subbing an entire show alone is most definitely no small task. I wouldn't recommend anyone try it themselves so no one who doubted me was a fool. They just didn't realize how insane I am. I think FFF figured it out when I released that silly Star Wars parody trailer alongside ep4's subs.

>>143728915
Very flattering.
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>>143745876
i really want to make a recut of Strikers but i know it'd be a ridiculous amount of work

not like i haven't gone to such lengths for nanoha before
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>>143742677
I love patting her.
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>>143744255
Nanoha is not my waifu.
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>>143745692

Same here
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>>143746284
Well, I guess that means you aren't Fate.
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>>143747094
why is she eating yogurt with her finger

that seems messy
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>>143747137

>Yogurt
Sure lets go with that
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>>143747258
What are you trying to say here
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>>143746558
Considering Fate is my waifu, I can hardly be her.
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>>143747385
>Considering Fate is my waifu
And that's why I called you Nanoha.
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>>143747322
he's implying that it's actually light frosting which isnt as healthy as yoghurt
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>>143747530
Why would you do that?
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>>143747580
dang

you gotta keep your f8o healthy
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>>143747732
Because the show at times heavily implies a romantic relationship between Fate and Nanoha. Thus, it is humorous to claim that people who call Fate their waifu are in fact Nanoha, or vice versa.
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>>143747884
>Because the show at times heavily implies a romantic relationship between Fate and Nanoha.

There is none.
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I want to do things to this cat
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>>143748519
I want to fill her with sticky white stuff.
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>>143748519
We know you do Nanoha.
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>>143745876
Praise our lord and saviour aRon
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>>143748740
She already deals magic damage.
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>>143748801
i said fill not cover
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Does anyone have any webms of Hayate's spells?
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It's been a full year since Vivid aired and still no Blu-rays.
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>nanoha will never ask you to impregnate her wife
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>>143745876
Thanks for the subs. Even de-hardsubbing the TSed episodes as we whined about it.
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Vivio is best girl
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>>143746696
Lots and lots of times over.
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>>143745876
Bless you.
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>>143747777
Fate is so honor-bound to her work it is bad for her. Having a kid would really help her.
Nanoha needs to do something about that.

Maybe ask Mariel, I bet there is some crazy magic for that if SLB aimed roughly at uterus isn't enough.
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Pick 2
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My waifu > your waifu
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>>143749564

But that is my waifu
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>>143749529
Be Einhart, have Vivio.
Secretly watch S1 and S2 videos of NanoFate from when they were little, while being adult-transformed and go "squeeee those little schoolgirls are so cute OMO".
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>>143749529
i choose fate's right buttcheek and fate's left buttcheek
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>>143747884
>Because the show at times heavily implies a romantic relationship between Fate and Nanoha
Their marriage becomes canon afterwards. They also moved together and started a family.
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>>143749564
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>Loli Fate
>Adult Fate
>Alicia
>Levi

How do I get all the Fates?
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>>143750016

Vivio is my waifu
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>>143750021
>How do I get all the Fates?
Be all the Nanohas.
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>>143750366

Cutie
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>TFW when you'll probably never become more than friends because the manga drags on and no timeskip into teen lesbians.
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>>143715124
Yuri is the strongest. The Materials were stronger than their counterparts.
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>>143750021
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>tfw your favorite series is a corpse, being paraded around on strings like a marrionette despite being long dead
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>>143733110
Is that official art?
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>>143751334

Yes
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>>143750769
I think they will never go full lesbian just ''you are my best special friend in the whole world I can't live without you let's adopt a daughter I'll never look this way at anyone else''

>>143751454
But Fate's nipples are shopped right? I mean they are erect as fuck that's not normal
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>>143751547

You do realize Fate's body is what sells the Nanoha franchise?
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>>143751624
My issue was not with the body but with the nipples but yeah Fate has the best body
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>>143751547
> I mean they are erect as fuck that's not normal
And they both are so wet they're actually forming a second pool outside the regular pool. Maybe they were having telepathic sex as they got their picture taken.
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>>143751547
It is an artisitc intent that is supposed to convey the feelings so important in Nanoha series instalments.

>Nanoha.
>Nanoha.
>Nanoha...

The desire to reproduce make love is strong. Clock ticking after all.
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>>143751738

Its real, there are more official nudes of Fate out there too
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>>143751841
I am only aware of stuff from the StrikerS artbooks (with the naughty bits covered though).
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>>143751624
>body made for breeding
>Nanoha is going to carry the baby
What a waste.
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>>143752048
It will be surprise knockup, of course. You want to see her embarassed and thrown off-balance, don't you.
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>>143752042

Loli Fate had a whole bunch of daikis come out right before the 2 movies came out
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>>143752330
Well those are bona fide perv stuff, I guess I just completely try to look the other way wrt to those.
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>>143750571
I want to commit another crime.
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>>143752470
That was before her parents and friends corrupted her.
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>>143752470
Vivio shut the fuck up you have 2 mamas
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>>143752589
VIBRATING
CYBORG
FIST
DEVICE
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>>143752386

They are official, look it would be better that you just embrace the lewd loli Fate. You will save yourself some trouble
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>>143752932
I can't quite stomach how these goods are intended for various otaku failures (no offense) to slime onto. One of the things that kinda shit on the characters (to borrow certain someone's terms), of course if we put aside outright rape/nasty/cyclone doujins and other such heavy calibre.

Nah, Feitoh is just for Nanyuha. I prefer to keep it fluffy, happy and purest kind of lewd
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>>143753131

But all magical girl anime are like that. Besides the Nanoha franchise itself started out as a erogame
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>>143753283
>There will never be a new nanoha game where you play as nanoha and go around forcibly befriending everyone
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>>143752932
>Nanoha-print pantsu
Cute!
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>>143753360

Here you go
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God damn
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>>143753283
Cutie. Erogame girls are so often too good for their genre, alas.
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>>143753393
Whew, I missed that. Hah!
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>>143753638

Just like Illiya, which also came from an erogame. I'm starting to see a pattern here
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>>143753689
>Not immediately focusing on one of the most important things in the series: Feito's butt
I am confused
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>>143753734
Could be focusing straight on the butt, bypassing and filtering out accursed underwear.

I like her face and voice more though.
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Best part of StrikerS except for Fate and Vivio
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>>143753734
>>143753896
There was an experiment where people were asked to count how many times a basketball was passed on a court. Most participants got the number right or within 1 or 2 passes. But when they were asked if they noticed the gorilla run across the court they unanimously said no.

The lesson here is that Fate's ass is just so information dense it requires the entire human attention span to process, and extraneous information such as the gorilla, or in this case the nanoha print pantsu is tossed aside.
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When you see it
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>>143754028
Or you just likened Fate's butt to a gorilla. Anon, shame on you.
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>>143754098
No, fate's butt is the basketball court filled with people passing balls.
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She is the Megumin of Nanoha.
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>>143753932
She deserves hot cybrog dickings
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>>143754098
>>143754132

I swear Vivio is the luckiest girl in the world to be able to grab on to Fate's caboose like this not to mention bathing with her and doing all sorts of other sexy time stuff
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>>143754132
>bottom-size joke
Anon, you are not making it any better.
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Hayate the sexiest Nanoha with Signum a close second.

Speaking of Nanoha, weren't someone doing the BDs of the entire series or was that dropped in favour of the movies? I've been meaning to watch it again then remembered I had Triad's.
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>>143754364
BDs are a bit awful. Ugly filter instead of using some neutral upscaler like on saner digital re-releases, sadly.

The lineart doesn't look that bad if you focus on the detail-less big face shots, but when there is tinier stuff on screen, it gets fucked up and looks disfigured. Also I think they managed to fuck up the color balance a bit.

I will personally stick to R2J rips. The DVDs could take a hardcore encode with yatta and everything, but it is a bit too much work.
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>>143754364

Subaru was supposed to finish it, but alas she is a baka
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Why are these two so cute together?
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>>143754087
Nanoha's panties?
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Blaster Bits really make Nanoha the best all rounder in the group.

>>143732375
>Fate lacks defense so much a single hit can kill her

I was wondering about this. Why do actual battles contradict this notion? Force has her getting hit by Cypha's amped sword strikes and only suffering shallow cuts. Or is it only little Fate with the weak barrier jacket? I remember Signum, although not trying to kill her, whacking her pretty good during their first fight. Cutting Bardiche in half proves it was a very strong attack regardless. Jail had a spell potent enough to break her Zanber and block Plasma Lancers, but an energy blast to the face only knocked Fate down without injury. Fate also reflexively uses defenser in concentrated areas during A's to block melee attacks that she manages to not avoid, but it's also the auto-guard spell.

>base speed is in Force already at lightspeed

This is definitely untrue. It would be cool, though.

>>143738536
>>143734761

Apparently Yuri could destroy multiple planets at once in the blink of an eye if she wanted to at full power. Don't think any Nanoha character can compare to that.
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>>143754878

>Do as I say, not as I do
They probably forgot she was supposed to be the speed demon and Nanoha be the power house. I notice the inconsistencies in their powers from time to time
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>>143754878
I'm sure Hayate knows some world-crackers.
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>>143754975

Well, after the original series, Fate is pretty much on par with Nanoha in power. She even has an equivalent spell to SLB and Exelion Buster afterwards. What really puts Nanoha over is the blaster bits and blaster system. Nanoha is always tankier, though.

I know Fate can get fucked up easily during Sonic Form, but I think it's possible her low defense otherwise is blown out of proportion.

>>143755128

Highly unlikely. Not even the defense system of the BoD could utterly annihilate a planet at a moment's notice.
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>>143754364

I want Signum's signums
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>>143755201
>is blown out of proportion
Of course, that "one hit and you die" is for the purpose of narrative drama in As. An even tehn I bet it would just be bent as needed if it happened.

>>143755248
Somebody in the right direction could see Rein's Rein there, too.
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>>143754878
Nanohaverse power levels really lack consistency.

Would be great to actually know what constitutes each of the rankings.We know overall rankings involve skill but spell rankings should be based on at least a standardized system.

Even so, I enjoy Nanohaverse's magic system since it one of the few fleshed out ones at least that I know of. The only one I can think of that wins in terms of details in Nasuverse.
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>>143755401
The rankings are simply a test, and as we saw, the test tests speed, decision-making, precision, and power.

Presumably the higher-tier tests are similar.
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>>143755477
Yeah but on what scaling?
None of us know what is S rank speed vs. A rank speed. Is it Mach 5 vs Mach 1? It's mostly arbitrary.
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>>143755401
>spell rankings should be based on at least a standardized system.

We at least know what the more powerful spells are with the Power rankings. Those are never really contradicted and you can extrapolate based on events.

>>143755520

That's casting speed, not the speed of the attacks.
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So why did they cut out Yuno's domination of the first A's battle from the movie?
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>>143755595
>Yuno
Who?
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>>143755595
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>>143755595
Wrong question, battle 1 was completely tossed out and replaced with bland "let's just get Fate and Nanoha beaten ASAP" stub. It was one of the worst parts of the movie, complete with them just being laid somewhere sadly after being drained out, which was completely anticlimactic compared to the S1.

The fight in the first two eps and the aftermath in ep3 were one of the best parts of As, too. Movie is really a joke with its screenplay. Still pissed about that.
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>>143755784
I meant to say: laid somewhere safely.
In any case, it was a pretty bad idea to basically show "hey they were extra careful to not do any harm" when you try to make it dramatic and look like something is at stake in these fights.

Something is playing tricks on me it seems.
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>>143755595

Yuno even had stronger defenses than Nanoha at the time before RH's upgrade. Luckily for him, Vita was skimping on the cartridges.

>>143755784
>one of the best parts of A

Webm related will never stop being awesome.
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>>143755778

So if you guys could do the magic and were decent, would you join?
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>>143755947
>Shamal fisting Nanoha
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>>143755947
>>143755987

Why is everybody always trying to impale Nanoha?
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>>143755248

How would one win Signum and her heart?
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>>143755965
Nigga, magical combat ability is literally the only thing I'm willing to dedicate myself to perfecting.
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>>143756107
Treat her like a lady. She's had to be Hayate's knight for so long, she has forgotten what it's like to have a knight fighting for her.
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>>143756107

Best her in sword play or make her laugh
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>You will never fluster Signum
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>>143756194

>Gave her a ponytail
>Pink is her color
Thank god they didn't make the decision to make her into a buzz cut butch dyke
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>>143756107
Be Hayate.
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>>143756295

That won't stop me from trying
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>>143756357
That sounds possibly interesting though. Such hair would take many years to grow back, though.
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>>143756683
Could have been better if it was Agito and Rein there making out passionately
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>>143756107
Fight her.
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>>143756684
Or instantly because magic.
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>>143755965
my ideal dream is to be Mai and to be in the nanohaverse where i can learn to fly
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>Are you my master?

>>143756684

It is stereotypical, so I will pass
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>>143753393
>>143753689

Holy fuck
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>>143756899
Obligatory: Can Nanoha kill servants?
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>>143756966
Probably not, because Nanoha doesn't have silly powerlevels (GoD excepted)
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>>143749189
That outfit is really top tier. I normally hate that color but it works here
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Golden showers for all!
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>>143757134
lewd
>you will never receive a golden shower from them
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>>143757045

Why is flustered Signum so adorable?
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>>143757134
Fate looks like she was left out
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>>143755947
>tfw she still fired the SLB
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>>143747884
Take off the yuri goggles please. This is why the series went downhill.
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Fate is always the one who gets lewded
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Was there ever an SSS mage?
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>>143749944
>muh head cannon
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>>143757499
>>143747884

Actually ChronoXNanoha is the only real canon love story in the franchise. And yes they do the nasty
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>>143757584
Is Triangle Hearts really considered part of the franchise?
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>>143757134
gosh fate's titties are big
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>>143757530

More than likely, they are probably out their doing big things or more than likely they are so powerful that they want to have nothing to do with the military
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>>143757543
Why so butthurt? Most people that don't like lesbians in their anime didn't bother to watch Nanoha or any other similar series.
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>>143757630

Dunno, there was a part in the first season about Nanoha's dad and how he almost got killed due to his work. I am going to side with a scrapping of the TH canon itself because of the fact that Nanoha becomes a magical girl in a totally different manner from MSLN. Also the characters have some issues too, as for everything else MSLN still feels a lot like TH.
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>>143757530
I guess you can class Yuri as one or Reinforce.
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>>143715124
She has the biggest breasts.
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>>143757584
The first season falls apart completely if you don't look at it as a lesbian love story with some mahou shoujo trappings. As an action/adventure story it doesn't work because it lacks a proper climax (the Big Bad just falls over dead on her own) and has multiple episodes with no action at all, and what else is there? School drama? Pfft, it's not drama when everybody is best friends with everybody.

Basically, it's all about Nanoha trying to hit on Fate, and finally succeeding when she was at her most aggressive (proving once again that rape is love).

Actually, Nanoha succeeded by finally getting Precia to go all uber-bitch and denounce Fate's existence as a worthless hunk of tube-grown flesh and then gave her the metaphorical hug of a life time.
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>>143757852
>this pasta again
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>Another Nanoha thread goes by that I miss

WHY DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS?
CARO IS BEST
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Vivio makes me feel things
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>That feel when this franchise is dead
>That feel when Dog Days is also dead
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>>143757852

The hero's journey, remember those monsters Nanoha used to fight? Nanoha was just a normal magical girl for a few early episodes. We also had a lot of high-jinks going on too wit ha little slice of life
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Nanoha with Stern make me feel things.
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>>143758167

>TH1-3
>Nothing
>MSLN, As, StrikerS
>Nothing
>The Manga
>Nothing
>Vivid/Force
>Nothing
Well the franchise comes in waves, we get a whole bunch of content then silence, then whole bunch of content then silence.
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>>143758360
Damn it's been so long since I've seen that gif.
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>>143755965
I would become an SSS rank cock mage. My true power is conquering the hearts and pussies of the girls and making them fight for me.
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>>143758495
Good for you anon!
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Lucky bastard
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>>143758075
http://gelbooru.com//images/b2/2a/b22ad1054e325c074c779717a33002be.jpeg
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>>143758495
A regular magical girl would be more effective at that by default.
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>>143758670

You are a good person
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>>143758495
So Nanoha?
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Where did she go wrong?
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>>143758641
The Nanos were still kids. Miyuki, Suzuka's oneesan and her maids, though! Also did he see Arf naked? I forgot.
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>>143758908

He has seen the whole group naked, Arisa and Nanoha didn't give him a choice
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>>143758902
By sitting like that, honestly everyone can see her panties
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>>143759038
what panties?
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>>143759038

Even Nanoha has to be sexy sometimes
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Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure this anime was responsible for turning me into a lolicon.
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>Your bride
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>>143759387
When she's lets say 16+.
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I just want the series to move onto something else.
This entire storyline they tried to do with the Belkan royalty was a stupid idea from the start.

ViviD was a mistake
Force was a mistake.
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>>143759571

I almost skipped the whole series because I thought it would be like that. Then I watched it and it became one of my favorites.
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>>143749062
I can't blame them.
Would you want to make blu-rays of ViviD?

Dog Days S3 had more action, stakes, and adventure than ViviD.
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She has the best looking Barrier Jacket.
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>>143759387
Nanoha is the least sexy loli I have ever seen.
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>>143759871

What are they going to do?

They got put into a box when they joined the military and time skipped. What they should have done was some questing or at least solving some problems back in Uminari
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>>143760102
Maybe we can learn about Subaru and Tea's time at the military academy
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>>143759592
Not yours, unless you're Nanoha.
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>>143760131

What ever happened to that story when Nanoha nearly got killed before StrikerS?
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>>143760102
>What are they going to do?
They could try to put those series behind them and try something new.

There are other adventures in the nanohaverse they could go on that aren't related to Belka or really bad Final Fantasy characters.

I would hope they would have at least several storylines in mind that they could go on or have fun with.
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>>143760102
ITT: Storylines that they could still go on that wouldn't conflict with ViviD or Force.

How about a storyline focusing on the Knights? How are they holding up? Are there any others like them?
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>>143760628

Would Nanoha join in her family business and assassinate people?
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>>143760918
she would, but it would come with fucking Chrono, so she wouldn't stay very long.
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>>143760665
I'm the person from the last time we had this discussion that keeps suggesting RAPTORS

Nanoha: RaptorS, the ordinary lives of mechanical killing machines that may or may not be perfectly autonomous to varying degrees beyond the understanding of the TSAB. That one is free 7arcs. Run with it.
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>>143760567
Those are lewd tops, ideal for time with your kid (and somebody else's that came over). Good that they are with the police.
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>>143761342

Playing dress up always fun
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>>143760102
Why is Signum such a child molester
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>>143761342
But they are girls so it's fine
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>>143760567
>>143760215
>>143761743
How does the TSAB possibly justify this to reporters?
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>>143761774

>The King does as he wishes
You don't have to justify anything when you are one of the strongest beings on the planet.
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>>143761774
I think they are okay with gay marriage? and the rest is just parental bonding
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>>143761903
>parental bonding

That's a weird way of saying it.

>Hello daughter's friend, want to come pose naked in bed with us?
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So many crimes committed in the Nanoverse
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>>143754878
Fate's defence(from the barrier jacket) is paper in Sonic mode.

Levi's defence in her sonic mode is even more paper, they stated it was practically fighting naked in the 2nd As x GoD sound stage.
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>>143762397

>Fighting naked
I wouldn't mind that idea
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>>143757689
She got jealous of Signum and drank it lot of milk in her youth. It worked beyond all expectations.
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>>143758223
Stern is best Material.


>FIYAH
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>>143762397
>Levi's defence in her sonic mode
Levi's is called Sprite Mode.
Seriously, five secomds to check the wiki.
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>>143762768

Fate has a knock out body as an adult
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>>143763004
Do you think Nanoha ever shares it with Signum?

For comparison sake, to be sure.
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>>143763342

They share with everybody, EVERYBODY
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Fate is too beautiful
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>>143763561
Wow the perspective here is just bizarre.

Are they aware of how many tiny girls are in their harem?
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I really wish the faces in this picture were better, it's one of the only pictures of the full Yagami family I've been able to find.
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>>143763561
even Caro and Erio? Because I bet that would be awkward.
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Nanoha doesn't share with anyone! stop demeaning the caracteres!
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>>143766040
You're acting as if Feito doesn't love being taken around the block.
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>>143766150
You are messing with forces you can't even begin to comprehend
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>>143765677
Caro and Erio is busy banging each other to take part in the sharing.
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I love Nanoha fans for their undying persistence to keep a thread for a dying franchise going for days.
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>>143768214

I started keeping the thread alive at >>143726713 on when Triangle Heart 3 will get a translation.
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>>143768331
>TH3 translation

That's funny, Anon. We'd have a better chance getting a continuation of Force.
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>>143768214
It would be against the never-give-up attitude of Nanoha for the thread to die.
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Vivid season 2 when?
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>>143768418

Oh come on. nobody liked the fact Triangle Heart 3 is where Nanoha debuted in?
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>>143768214
It surprise me as well how persistent all these guys are, threads die once in a while, but they always try to make them arrive the bump limit, successfully most of the time.
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>>143768793
Work hard.
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>>143768331
Do copies of the game even exist? That'd be a good place to start.
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>>143742937
Probably, but I don't think so.

Even in GoD, Eins was prepared to do the same thing in A's and get herself terminated to stop the corrupted shit in the Book to cause more shit to happen(Dark pieces in BoA, and the whole Materials/Yuri thing in GoD, all due to the Book.
To terminate herself without losing the knights, they can't link the knight program back to the Book.
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>>143770069

Here's a sample, which appears to be Fiasse's ending:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6mCKH4534

And a link to the game itself, I think:

https://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=7394
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>>143715124
she's the cutest
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>>143756966

Of course, even loli Nanoha from the first series could kill majority of them.
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Hayate the strongest third wheel
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>>143774600
Can she get the Guardians to 5P her and help her forget the pain?
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3rd movie when?
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>>143776382

That loli thong
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>>143776345
When Nana wills it.
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>>143776382
>Tfw Nanoha vs Stern animated never
>tfw Starlight Breaker clashing with Luciferion Breaker animated never
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>>143776433
Things like that should be illegal.
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>>143761743
What happening here? Some kind of sauna or something?
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I want Ginga to bear my children
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>>143776953

Probably
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>>143773996
Would Starlight Breaker be an A/A+ or EX ranked spell by Nasuverse magic laws?
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>>143764015
Miura could look nice with an adult mode.
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>>143778243

EX, the absolute force behind it in addition to "total seal break" ability that allows it to completely annihilating a time-space sealing barrier.
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>>143778243
Well it's power level according to the wiki is AAA, so translating that to Nasuverse terms I'd say A++, or about the level of Excalibur, which sounds right by property of transference (Nanoha's Starlight Breaker ≃ Hayate's Ragnarok ≃ Dearche's Excalibur)
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>>143777631
Where the hell is Nanoha's bikini bottom.
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>>143778517
Why do you think she looks so distressed?
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>>143778496
>translating that to Nasuverse terms

It wouldn't make sense to do that since they're separate works. Plus, what would Dearche's excalibur have to do with anything? There's a bunch of moves called Excalibur in fiction.

SLB Plus, the version Nanoha uses after the original series always, is S Rank in power, anyway. Nanoha gets so strong afterwards her Exelion Buster is stronger than her SLB Plus was in A's, so it gets even fuzzier.
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>>143778616
>It wouldn't make sense to do that since they're separate works.
Except that's what that anon was asking us to do, so I made my best go of it.

> Plus, what would Dearche's excalibur have to do with anything? There's a bunch of moves called Excalibur in fiction.
Nothing I guess. I just felt it was worth mentioning that the Nanoha-universe also has a giant laser called Excalibur.

>SLB Plus, the version Nanoha uses after the original series always, is S Rank in power, anyway.
That still doesn't make it EX like >>143778472
said. EX rank requires more than simply upping the power, and that's all it did. It's barrier-piercing abilities come simply from it being so strong.

>Nanoha gets so strong afterwards her Exelion Buster is stronger than her SLB Plus was in A's, so it gets even fuzzier.
It STILL wouldn't make it EX rank, all upping the power would do would continue to add more pluses to it.
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The correct answer is dickings, dickings for them all.
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>143779274
>Except that's what that anon was asking us to do, so I made my best go of it.

Not in the sense to try to equalize the ranking systems, but to gauge its power and compare it to Noble Phantasms in the Nasuverse.

>It's barrier-piercing abilities come simply from it being so strong

Regardless of how it comes about, it's still an separate ability. Similarly powerful attacks do not have it.

Also, isn't it essentially being able to annihilate a pocket dimension? Ordinary people and objects except shit like buildings for some reason are displaced in separate place and are suspended in time without even noticing along with the area enclosed in the barrier being completely cut off from the outside world. If not, simply calling it A+++ would suffice. Anti-Fortress?
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>>143779860
>Similarly powerful attacks do not have it.
Yes they do, we've seen other powerful attacks knock out barriers in the Nanohaverse.
At least I think we have. It's been a long time since I've watched A's or Strikers.
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>>143780122
>other powerful attacks knock out barriers in the Nanohaverse.

Of course, but this is fairly different since SLB Plus has done it twice to time-sealing barriers as just a side effect. Another good example of an attack having very potent side effects is Sprite Zanber, a melee type spell, that could negate Reinforce's illusions and cut through the little dimension Fate was trapped in.

While the strongest attacks like Gigantschlag can breach the barriers due to sheer power of their attacks to disrupt the magic, it's not the same thing as completely breaking the seal, hence Fate's bafflement. Signum was able to get the time sealing barrier with Shiden Issen to save Vita's ass, but it was still intact afterwards. Think of how Nanoha was able to pull out the Relic with SLB from Vivio's body despite it being in a same space that's created when Reinforce Zwei is in unison with either Vita or Signum.
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>>143780436

Not that guy, but..

>Think of how Nanoha was able to pull out the Relic with SLB from Vivio's body despite it being in a same space that's created when Reinforce Zwei is in unison with either Vita or Signum.

I think you forgot that the first instance of that was when Yuno told Nanoha to 'blast her with everything you got' to get Hayate out of the BoD's unison control. It wasn't 'please use SLB, it has special properties!'

I'll just leave with this japanese wiki entry coming from the A's Manga.
http://nanoha.julynet.jp/?%A5%DF%A5%C3%A5%C9%A5%C1%A5%EB%A5%C0%BC%B0%28%B9%B6%B7%E2%29#eeec81a3

The 'complete barrier destruction' extra effect is a result of pure power.
(bonus is Chrono's comment "That she put together that magic purely out of instinct and not theory is frightening")
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>>143781084
>I think you forgot that the first instance of that was when Yuno told Nanoha to 'blast her with everything you got' to get Hayate out of the BoD's unison control. It wasn't 'please use SLB, it has special properties!'

No, I actually wasn't. It's why I mentioned particularly strong attacks can disrupt magic while nothing the difference with something like Sprite Zanber. Nanoha blasted Reinforce with Exelion Buster, no? That also has a barrier piercing ability, but that's beside the point. What Nanoha did to Reinforce and to Vivio has a clear difference despite applying the same principle - she didn't drag anything out of the Internal Space, but rather pumped so much magic into Reinforce it disrupted the magic she was maintaining.
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>Seven Arcs busy with this >>143781154 rather than working on Movie 3rd
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>>143781301

Another example I should've mentioned to drive home the point: Zest knocked Vita down so hard she went out of Unison.
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>>143781496
>Idol anime
I couldn't care less, they didn't even bother to make it a Nanoha idol spinoff. On the plus side maybe it has action scenes or yuri? I don't think I'll be watching it either way.
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>>143781548

>despite it being in a same space that's created when Reinforce Zwei is in unison with either Vita or Signum.

Makes that sentence all the more confusing then. At any rate, I'll accept your theory as 'possible'.


>>143779860

A++ would probably suffice. The grading of NP ranks is hard to speculate/judge as it encompasses all kinds of abilities and conceptual natures. Especially with this kind of cross-series grading.
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>>143781084
>>143781548

>>143780122 here, thanks for taking up the argument while I had to step out and do actual work.
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>>143723859

Hayate a CUTE
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Hayate a badass. Would promote in return for sexual favors.
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>>143782270
>Makes that sentence all the more confusing then.

I would've just said Internal Space, which is treated as a pocket dimension, but I wasn't sure you knew the term. Zest was able to knock Zwei out due to her consciously aiding and being connected to Vita rather than being lulled into unconsciousness like Hayate was, but he didn't actually damage the space itself in any way.

>Especially with this kind of cross-series grading.

Yeah. I do enjoy the little cross-overs Nanoha has had with Fate, though.

How about this question, does Nanoha's reputation precede her enough to the point that she could have the "Innocent Monster" skill? I forget how famous she is in-universe.

>>143782569

The second post is just me adding to what I was saying in argument with the first one, but you're welcome. I should've just quoted the post I was responding to.
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>>143782760
>I forget how famous she is in-universe.
She, Fate, and Hayate are, in StrikerS, known as the Bureau's three aces.
I also think at one point her fan nickname "White Devil" got used, though that might be my memory acting up.
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>does Nanoha's reputation precede her enough to the point that she could have the "Innocent Monster" skill?
Possible.

There's this part in the commentary for Movie the 1st regarding Yuuno.
>Subaru: When you introduce chief Yuuno to other people, don't you say "This is my childhood friend and the person who taught me magic", right?
>Nanoha: Yeah, I do.
>Subaru: When you say that to people who've heard of you, they get terrified.
>Nanoha: Eh? Why's that? Why?
>Teana: Subaru and I felt like that too. Nanoha-san is our teacher, so-
>Subaru: "The teacher of the Ace of Aces has got to be someone really amazing!"
>Nanoha: A-ah...
>Vivio: People who don't really know about mama and chief Yuuno would probably think of chief Yuuno as some sort of legendary figure who fires off huge Busters or Breakers and says things like "Were you surprised? That was only 20% of my full power!"

If she does have Innocent Monster, depending what the public perception of her is, she could be fairly similar to her original self. But if there's any enemies of the TSAB and they fear her, she'll probably end up more demon-like.

The trio probably would have Innocent Monster of varying degrees. Hayate would probably have a slightly higher ranked version of it thanks to people that thinks she's a criminal in the TSAB.
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>>143783859
>Vivio: People who don't really know about mama and chief Yuuno would probably think of chief Yuuno as some sort of legendary figure who fires off huge Busters or Breakers and says things like "Were you surprised? That was only 20% of my full power!"
So going by what Vivio is saying, while Nanoha may or may not have Innocent Monster, Yuuno almost certainly would.
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>>143782760

>How about this question, does Nanoha's reputation precede her enough to the point that she could have the "Innocent Monster" skill? I forget how famous she is in-universe.

Probably not enough. Servants that had them have stories that practically make them out to be monsters greatly overwriting what they were.

The Ace of Aces might appear to be the nightmare of enemies of the Bureau, the drill sergeant from hell for poor recruits and a magic combat machine to the less talented... but at the end of the day, she is the -Ace of Aces- someone who will be well-documented as a hero in the TSAB, which is an authority of untold number of planets.

With the way Servants and Heroic Spirits work, her 'White Devil' reputation will likely be represented in a number of ways(hell, there's even the easy way of making it its own skill), but Innocent Monster is pretty far.
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>>143783859
You know, I wonder how people think of the Infinite Library after knowing that Yuuno is the Chief Librarian and that he trained Nanoha.

>The Library was so dangerous, they needed the teacher of the Ace of Aces to sort it out?!
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Speaking of Fate x Nanoha, what about Yuuno's barriers? If Archer allowed him to look at his Raw Anus, would Yuuno be able to make a barrier as great as it?
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>>143784630
Yuuno's barrier's are already pretty good.
I mean, in A's Vita couldn't break them no matter how hard she hit them, and he was mutitaskingat the time if I recall correctly.
And then come StrikerS she breaks through the barrier around the Cradle's core despite the fact that she's started to grow weaker due her connection to Hayate fading. Yuuno's offense may be shit, but his defense is probably the best in the series.
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>>143715124
Nanoha was interesting in the sense no one was the perfect fighter. Hayate is the most powerful among the good guys (at least until Tohma masters his game breaker powers) but that doesn't mean she's the strongest fighter.
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>>143731792
Eins only at her peak. By the second game she's probably even weaker than the knights.
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>>143784865
>Yuuno's offense may be shit, but his defense is probably the best in the series.

Nah, it was simply better than Nanoha's was at the time. Still, if Vita use her more powerful attacks, his defense would've surely been broken. That's an important detail you're missing, Vita was just using normal strikes. There's nothing to suggest his defenses are better afterwards.
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>>143742282
>she was presumably giving extra power to the 4 knights
Doesn't seem to be the case. At least by StrikerS. Not only is Hayate operating under limiters like 90% of the time. Her knight also clearly show limits the wouldn't have with an extra mana pool.
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>>143762770
Impeccable taste
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>>143785034
It's not that bad yet. When you have to choose between fighting with Yuri for the fist time with either Eins or Hayate, choosing Eins results in Yuri using 1% more of her full power, indicating she still has more mana than Hayate, and Hayate herself obviously has more mana than the knights.
And I know what your first response is most likely to be "but Hayate is as skilled as the knights are, even with the training fron Reinforce" which is true, buts Eins herself is. So as long as she still has more mana than them, she's going to be stronger than them.
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>>143785327
>Hayate is as skilled
isN'T as
damn typos completely reversing the meaning of my sentences.
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>>143756194
>>143756261
These anons have the right idea. Being strong or at least brave helps but i think Signum would appreciate someone reliable that treats her nicely but without being condescending. Making her having a good time and appeaming to her semse of humour is pretty fine as well. For all her discipline and stoicness she have subtle but noticeable moments when she likes to tease and snark, you can also defy her that way as she seems to be a good sport when it comes to jokes (just don't bean ass, she's pretty classy). Regardless what is your area of expertisse let her see your passion for the things you like. She more likely appreciates determined people even if they're not fighters.
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Anyone have the strikers webm of Hayate firing the Hraesvelgr?
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>>143785327
>she's going to be stronger than them.
More powerful but doubtfully stronger. Vita is stronger than her in combat by the end of GoD.
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Why is Hayate the cutest ?
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Look at this cutie
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>>143785940
>nopan
Ew
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>>143785940
Old hag/10
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>>143747322
>"tell them I'm not the white devil"
>"how should I know, I have just met you"
edit was hilarious.
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>>143786008
How about now?
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Why is she so lewd?
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>>143787103
bad parenting
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>>143787162

Its strange because the sister doesn't act anything like her
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>>143784630
Most likely not. Noble Phantasms, while not specifically strong in terms of raw power output usually have conceptual powers to make up for that. Rho Aias is a literal fuck you to any and all projectiles.

Even if Yuuno could make a super powered SSS+++ barrier. Rho Aias would still win out against thrown projectiles even if said projectile is a literal continent busting nuke. Unless your projectile comes with essentially the "unstoppable object" concept like Gae Bolg to trigger a fight against the "immovable wall" it ain't getting through.
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Crossover when?
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>>143787498
>Rho Aias would still win out against thrown projectiles even if said projectile is a literal continent busting nuke.

That's some nice bullshit.
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>>143787706
let them think fateshit can win against any other anime.
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Fate a cute
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>>143787891

But they can kill servants
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>>143787891

I mean, doesn't Rho Aias specifically have a certain amount of petals with a fixed amount of damage each can withstand? It's not a particularly strong shield at all in the grand scheme of things. Fate blocking Divine Buster is more impressive than anything it's done.
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>>143787498
That shit needs set up. Nuke once. Let him use it. Then keep spamming nukes.

Nanoha can spam Excalibur level shit casually without all the ceremony. Killing Chtulu is just another day in the office for RF6.
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>>143787891
>>143787706
That's actually true for the real Rho Aias, Archer's is not as powerful, but conceptually, the true Rho Aias should work like that.
Though, it comes into clash with projectiles with the concept of "destroys any shield", "hits any target" or anything like that. In those cases, it comes to raw conceptual strength and mana.

There are other ways to beat it anyway, like Nanoha binding Ajax and shooting him from the back.
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>>143765165
The Nanoha franchise has such cool designs. They should just make an actual movie series rather than just individual movies.
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i think i would never see anything like the sex in the air betweebn Risuti and Nimura
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>>143782760
>>143783859
>>143784302
Question from the normie gallery. WTH is "Innocent Monster" skill and which other unrelated anime/game/whatever did you drag it from?
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>>143789494

Clearly related to the Fate franchise.
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>>143757584
That's why he got the "married to Amy" treatment.
Even Yunno just got sidelined but not married off.
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>>143788043
>>143787706
>>143787891
Rho Aias is only a really big trump card against specifically THROWN projectiles. In that case alone, it's an "absolute" defense.

A beam doesn't count thus will fall under the whole each petal is a fortress wall facet. SLB will still plow through Rho Aias on that virtue.

The big bullshit shield supposibly in Nasuverse is Lord Camelot for Galahad which has the concept of never breaking as long as the wielder has willpower (Note: not prana/mana). Find someone with iron will and literally it'll just sit there taking a 100 SLBs without fail.
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Didn't even realize that Nanoha had a "dictionary" of sorts.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/nanoha-series-magic-dictionaries-the-translated-entries-have-been-updated.364105/
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>>143786506
4lewd8me
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>all this power levels and weapons sperging
>not even for Nanoha itself anymore

People, why can't you just post about tits and ass like anybody decent.
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Would you a Subaru?
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>>143789494
Innocent Monster is an ability from the Fate franchise. In Fate characters summon the ghosts of dead famous heroes, both real and from mythology, to fight for them. Sometimes what people think a person was like, and what a person was actually like, are very different. And sometimes this view becomes so prevalent, that it warps the hero's ghost to become more in line with how people thought they were.

So say you summoned the ghost of Vlad the Impaler. Innocent Monster would turn him into a vampire due to his association with the legend of Dracula.

So a Nanoha with Innocent Monster would act like pic related, while a Yuuno with it would act like Vivio described him in the post you quoted. It would also probably increase his power, though not to the extreme implied by Vivio, as well as make his fighting style more like Nanoha's.
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>>143791973

Can we post a lack of tits?
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>>143792265
Variety is the spice of life.
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>>143749444
> contracted wrist
> unaligned seating
shit form confirmed
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>>143792335
Why is StrikerS Nanoha the best?
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>>143792499

Dunno, I am all for the loli Nanoha
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>>143792335
That image is fake. 9yo Nanoha's BJ has pink panties.
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>>143789494
>using normie unironically
Disgusting
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Dat Subaru
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Undead series thread?
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>>143793974

I feel like they spent too much time between series.
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>>143793849
Is that a dick?
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>>143794590
Robotic of course, it's the most efficient way to impregnate Tea.
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>>143794939
>>143794590

What are these 2 up to recently?
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>>143795038
Hot lesbian sex as usual
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>>143796091

I can see it
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bump for ded franchise
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Obligatory GoD/innocent anime never post
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>>143797317
Don't say such hurtful things.
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>>143797317

I wish GoD was the actual sequel to A's
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>>143797512
I disagree, it's too much fanfictiony and the offshoot characters kinda steal attention from the main trio, I think in worse way than how StrikerS sidelined them.

The materials having their own book of darkness version that is the real deal hidden in BoD and being much more powerfull? Bleh. Clone-based characters are bad idea.
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>>143797713

But I want my Pink Goddess
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>>143797713
Still better than how Vivid and Force ended up being.
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>>143797961

I heard people hated Force quite a bit
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>>143798118
They made it to appeal to the Shounen market so it had a generic Shounen MC who's character consisted of
nothing but bad cliches.

Problem was Shounen markets saturated to fuck so they wernt able to pull in new readers and the existing fanbase had no
interest in watching their fav characters job so Touma could look important.

Add that with a bloated cast and failure to flesh new characters out aside from Touma bouncing from one Shounen trope
after another? Yeah people go sick of it real fast.
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>>143798373

She is rude
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>>143798118
I would hate GoD more if it was canon, to be desu. I think.
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>>143798556
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>>143798680

Those two look so cute in the game.

I wish we had Vivio and her friends before StrikerS. It would be nice to see Vivio as a competing magical girl to Nanoha
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>>143799108
Levi is killing me.
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>>143799488

She is a cutie
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>>143731994
Ísn´t assuming Hayate has a spaceship a cop-out since at that point you can call in as many reiforcements as you can get, and you could say she has an Arc-en-Ciel, which is a literal WMD that you can fit of a small patrol cruiser. And only another spaceship or specilized magic (precia´s lightning bullshit) can take on a spaceship. Proposing that a walking nuke of character should bombard places from a warship (which can be a WMD in itself) is far too OP.
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>>143798118
It's not that I hated it, it's that it sucked.
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>>143799585
She only gets one in Force. It doesn't do much liek anything not named Touma when it coems to that manga.
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>>143796444
3 days of confinement for wasting base resources.
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>>143799731

But it is hot
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>>143799710
Actually, since Touma gets stabilised by Lilly after the battle in chapt. 9-14 (or so), he doesn't do much at all himself, IIRC. Only the StrikerS team does stuff in the following battles against the Grendels, Hucks and regarding the Hades guy.
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>>143799992
Those rainbows on the sandals. Is that legit official art?
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>>143800023
Far to little far too late, By that point Force was crashing and burning.
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>>143800023
His main rival Veyron was in the middle of an obvious upgrade arc when the hiatus hit. It was easy to assume Tohma would jump onto the spotlight again when that happened but well.
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>>143800133

Shoop
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>>143800425
Too bad.
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>>143754878
>This is definitely untrue. It would be cool, though.
Look for the bonus page, the teleporting axe dude said it from the huckebein family.

Considering your first question, it depends on willingnes to hamr and combar style and situational bonuses.
For example midchildian magic came after the big wars and was created with the intent to be able to do nothing or level cities, but be non lethal to living things.
Belkan was a combat and war style magic system.
That is why they can at times simply take lasers to their face without being harmed, despite the lack of barries.
The intent on the attack is important as many of them use intelligent devices, since the device has a connection to the user the attack can weaken if there is no intent in the the attack, but it can also cause rage boost and shit like that.
Additionaly you have shit like barriers of all forms and something that seems like a natural resistence to magic the stronger you are.

Fate has base barriers aswell, but only in sonic form she gives up completly on nearly all of that to enhance her speed even further.

What I find worse is that they turned her scythe into a sword/s.
Instead of making use of the non physical scythe, which thus losses the weakness of being near unusuable due to weight and imbalance, they go full boring swordo mode.
If you have that immaterial scythe you could actaully fight really interesting as the entire way how an opponent has to block an attack has to change.
Normal blocking would simply be fatal as plling the scythe back or getting kicked backwards would result in the scythe getting your unprotected back unless you are Aizen
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>>143800891

You expect us to read all that?
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We know Signum is more or less Nanoha's equal when it comes to combat prowess. But how about her original rival? Who would arise Victorious in a Fate/Signum duel after StrikerS?
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>>143801167

Fate is stronger, Signum is getting old
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>>143801241
>Signum is getting old.
Weak bait. Signum is already centuries old at least while aging like fine wine. Meanwhile Fate isn't getting younger.
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>>143801067
Or simply watch the show over and over and over again.
I watched it several times at home, but then came a time I went and did blood and plasma donations two times a week.
With waiting time that could be 2h a day.
I spend that time rewatching every season.
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>>143801336
Signum is no longer a part of the book, so age should by now affect her.
>>143801067
JA!
>>143801167
Their past duel was pretty close.
Fate would have been done in if she got hit, but Signum herself was not sure if she could even hit and how she could continue if she missed.
And bam the backstab from their supposed friendly cats came.
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>>143802046
I think that between As and StrikerS, supposedly in their frequent matches, majority was won by Signum, I think there was some snicker in the manga that Fate was bad at losing (not that she would do something bad, but probably being bugged by it).
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>you will never snuggle in bed with the Yagamis
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>>143802230

I want to snuggle with Signum and Vita
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>>143799585
But what is a better launch platform for a WMD if not a spaceship?
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>>143798545
Fate was the only one who didn't job I think.
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>>143802140
Hmm not sure about that.
I remember that Fate and most of the others stopped going so high output on their training fights after what happend to Nanoha.
The thing with Nanoha and Signum was basically the worst case when both went over the top.
This makes the fights hard to jude.
But I am honest that I like Fate and Hayte the most, but it is true Fate aside from speed, attack power and maybe combat skill is too much of a one trick pony.
A speedster loses a lot of advantage if the enemy is willing to take on an attack and locks them with it.
Signum as more balanced, maybe even leaning to the defensive side, character can outmanouver a character like Fate thus in more situations than Fate can.


On that note it would be interesting to discuss if the city setup for Nanoha's and Fate's fight in the first movie was more to Fates or Nanoha's advantage.

On one hand the area was big enough that Fate could play her speed and use the buildings to avoid shots, which obviously played against Nanoha.
On the other hand a city is more of Nanoha's home ground as she grew up in one, while Fate had prior memories of a girl living in sheltered mansion and afterwards of the torture/sex chamber of her mother.
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>>143802555
She jobbed to cardiac arrest. Actually, that means Touma knocked her out. It doesn't matter though Feito is always a best.
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>>143802787
Pretty sure Fate isn't just that. She uses speed in close combat and usually attacks like that, but that doesn't mean she has nothing else under the belt, she has diverse magic. When stuff happened, she would probably just go to some spell/lightining attack into the back of that opponent, use defensive spells, and such.

And WTF, image limit reached?
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>>143802909

>And WTF, image limit reached?
First time for everything
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>>143802140
Yep Signum never underestimates an opponent and was oberving Fate's amazing abilities with proper caution but it was clear Signum was holding back quite a bit during A's and got booked just when she was about to fight seriously.

In sound stages is confirmed Signum won most of their rematches. A comment in FORCE made by Signum says she considers her her equal by that point (her words were "a swordswoman who is as strong as i am") meaning Fate more likely stepped up her game at some point before or after StrikerS.

Still a duel between them with the same rules as the ones Signum had with Nanoha (all out but without special aid, hence no Agito) will be amazing and unpredictable. >>143802230
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>>143803020
Nope, happened last time, but I didn't realize we are at post 470 already. Managed to do it without shitstorm too, congrats.

>>143803049
>In sound stages is confirmed Signum won most of their rematches.

Ah yeah, that is what I meant. Most, but not all.
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>>143803142
Yep. Take G.O.D. as you want but there Fate mentioned by that point she and Signum already had ten duels (Fate was really gung ho back then), feeling bad she lost 8 times out of those but DP Signum praised her determination for those two victories. So yeah, Fate got a victory from time to time in the middle of all that pummeling.
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>>143803396
Sounds like Fate mellowed down when she grew up over fighting because she barely won.
Poor girl, both Nanoha and Signum probably left her behind already.
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>>143802909
>And WTF, image limit reached?
Not the first time for a Nanoha thread.

Fate still lacks the interdimensional hockers her mom could pull.
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>>143803396
20 % isn't that bad at 9 years old and just few months since As. I meant more like when she was let's say 13-15. No doubt she grew more in power than Signum, if for nothing else, with physique.
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>>143803638
>Fate still lacks the interdimensional hockers her mom could pull.
Wasn't Precia's rank the same as Hayate's?
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>>143803536
>Poor girl, both Nanoha and Signum probably left her behind already.

Which explains why Nanoha and Fate are rank S+, while Signum is S-.
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>>143803777
This was clearly explained before in Strickers manga, your rank is only your magical ability, not you combat capacity.
Hayate has a higher rank for example, but she wouldn't fair so well against Nanoha or Fate do to being the nuke from afar type.

As a proof, in the same manga loli Nanoha and Fate had her asses kicked by an A rank magician because she was better at combat.
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>>143803927
Nope, the rank is for combat too. Both Signum and Fate (and Nanoha) have Air rank, which means air-combat. If it was more about magic spells than combat, it would be synthetic rank.

http://nanoha.wikia.com/wiki/Mage_rank
Table of the characters. Of course, the lowe ranked can probably win by better experience, tactits, endurance and so, but with Fate VS Signum, that would probably only level the field, not turn the table.

>>143803744
It is "conditional" SS, meaning it is some special scale that might not be comparable. IIRC it was either not possible to gauge preciselly, and/or it included the jewel seeds she controlled at the point she was a threat. Meaning it would be bit more of a threat/challenge rank than mage rank.

>Sister Schach AAA
I keep forgetting she is supposed to be one of the really tough persons there.
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>>143803744
SS and SS aswell as SSS and SSS is not all the same.
Should always be aSS and cSS.
>>143803927
No they explained there are two types of ranks.
Air and Composite.
Composite is based on mana and the like while air ranks are supposed to be combat ability indicators with margins of error.
>>143803777
All three are air ranks.
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>>143804161
>that would probably only level the field, not turn the table
It turns the table if Signum was able to win 8 out of 10 times.
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>>143803927
>As a proof, in the same manga loli Nanoha and Fate had her asses kicked by an A rank magician because she was better at combat.

That part was intended as a lesson, it doesn't mean such things happens all the time. It was when the lolis were still very small IIRC, so you could say they were beaten because of being wunderkinds but too inexperienced. It likely wouldn't happen again in their adult years.
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>>143804181
>No they explained there are two types of ranks.
Three, there are also Ground ranks, which are for mages that are combat-focused but lack the ability to fly.
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>>143804251
Dude, that was when Fate was 9 (according to GoD though, which is not canon). Fate definitely wasn't S+ then, yet. I think she was at best AAA then, IIRC.
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>>143804161
Really Teana and co are now supposedly man trio tier?
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>>143804161
Hmm, and Chrono AAA+. Strongest man after Zest died. Although maybe he could win in a fight, because Zest was knight while Chrono was a mage with somewhat more versatile magic (binds, for example) and was clever, cool-headed and good at utilising his abilities and advantages at hand.
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>>143804362
Teana being S is I think only supported by her card that she shows in Vivid and S can be seen there. It is unknown how canon that is, because I think otherwise we only have StrikerS era ranks (she was AA after the end) and there are no more data after that.

Her S rank in Vivid might just be a goof or fuckup, it might have not been intended.
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>>143803777
Their ranks are close enough that skills and tactics are the things that determines the winner.
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>>143803777
Signum is a duelist specialized in close range with very little options fir ranged combat and a couple tricks at middle range. If anything the S- is because she on her own can only attack a few targets at a time compared with NanoFate's wide array of AoE attacks. As Vita said the difference is so little is almost meningless. Signum can still destroy any of the two one on one.
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>>143716186
Doesn't she also directly supply mana to like a shitload of other characters? She's like a overlord that has a small group of elite mages to rule over.
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>>143803927
>In a flashback during the StrikerS manga, it is revealed that she trained both Fate and Nanoha and defeated both in a mock battle fairly easily. She commented that it was impressive for 9-year-olds to be so strong, AAA in power, but she, a AA rank mage, was able to defeat them.

So the difference wasn't that big and yeah, it was with the 9 years old lolis, which obviously grew in the next 10 years.

>>143804579
Yes of course, but that silly anon I was reacting to was implying that Fate is actually weaker, all things considered. Which is nonsense, since you can't expect that Signum would get singnificatnly stronger or more experienced after As - she is already. Fate was just a wet newb then, relatively speaking - lets say year or two magical training. Obviously she will jump up far more in next 10 years.
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>>143804648
>Signum can still destroy any of the two one on one.

She can, in the sense that it isn't almost sure she would win. But that deosn't mean she can decisively win most of the time or even always, which would allow you to say she is stronger in direct confrontation.

Given Nanoha's Blaster shit and similar upgrades of Fate's, I think Signum would actually fight uphill battle against either of them, during StrikerS and beyond that. Not impossible or above her league, but still the odds would be somewhat against her.
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>>143804869

Eh, I meant to say
>She can, in the sense that it isn't almost sure she would lose.
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>>143804716
>since you can't expect that Signum would get singnificatnly stronger
Probably, as a guardian knight we don't know if training dies something for physical or magical power at all.

>or more experienced after A's
This is where you're definetely wrong. Signum is a dedicated warrior who never stops training and seeking improvement and you can attest that by her ever increasing movepool between seasons. As also the fact she keeps being Nanoha's equal in a fight even over a decade of the latter's big growth and increase in power and experience.
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But who can destroy Signum in bed?
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>>143804869
>Given Nanoha's Blaster shit and similar upgrades of Fate's, I think Signum would actually fight uphill battle against either of them, during StrikerS and beyond that. Not impossible or above her league, but still the odds would be somewhat against her.
You should definetely read the special final chapter of the StrikerS manga. Not to argue with you or anything. But it's a pretty amazing example of how Signum deals with Nanoha's field blasting tendencies. It's a pretty cool fight for both.
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>>143804945
>This is where you're definetely wrong.
You really think she, as an adult warrior much more further in her experience/training curve could have relatively more growth than a child that is at the very beginning of the career (and physical growth too, after all)? Nine year old kiddo, anon.

>>143805005
I saw a doujin where Shamal did her with a strapon or magicock.
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Okay, new question
How strong are all the SSS rank mages compared to a raptor unit? Because those are being sold as being SS or A rank, each of them.
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>>143805137
What makes you think I didn't (several times, even). It doesn't contradict anything I said. Note how it was ended in a draw by referee, or how it wasn't really full-out battle. For example, Nanoha was just Blaster-1.

Actually though, I would say that Signum has it a bit easier against Nanoha, because she relies more on the ranged combat and shooters always have it rough when adversary keeps knocking on them from close range.

Fate on the other hand would not have that disadvantage.
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>>143805284
Where was that said? In Force, it was obvious they were relatively weak.

And there are no SSS people. SS is actually a special rank for Hayate, effectively.
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>>143805137
Also, you can't really say some opponent has overtaken Nanoha's power, if SLB hasn't been thrown in the fight yet.
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I'll miss you guys until next time.
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This was a good thread, thank you to the few people who still care about Nanoha

Is there even any chance of Force or ViviD being continued, by the way?
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>>143805289
As i said i wasn't arguing your points. They're valid. Just exemplyfing Signum is not as helpless in front of a mad bomber as people assume. Far from it actually.

>Fate on the other hand would not have that disadvantage.
She would have a different set of disadvantages though. StrikerS was all about crushing the illusion of an invincible fighter or a perfect scenario as such things doesn't exist.
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Goodbye anons, you all did a fine job. Hopefully they will announce more about the third movie one of these days.
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>>143805425
Assuming her opponent will eber let her do that. Signum was thwarthing most of her attempts at dealing a massive finisher and tanked the only one that passed.
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>>143805529
And she used the smoke kicked up from the one that she tanked to set up Sturmfalken.
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>>143805529
That goes for any target that moves, anon. Nanoha obviously has ways to pin them for that bombardment, though, else she wouldn't be the ace she is, but a Hayate.

Note that I don't reject that Signum can win or win often. Just that she probably isn't overally stronger, with repeatedly reproducible results. Also I absolutely adore Signum, way more than Nanoha (second to Fate though, Fate is Fate), if that was in doubt.

Hmm, actually there is one powershit question that is interesting wrt Signum.

Is that S- including the ability to unison and the potential power with that used? Or is it rank without that. (Would she be stronger than NF with that?)
But well, not like you will learn answer to that here. Possibly they didn't even think of that and leave it unaddressed.
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I guess the ultimate truth is that between those two/three, it would really depend on what the author wants/needs at the moment, wouldn't it. That is why it is so tricky or better said futile to draw power levels information indirectly from what is shown. I think it makes more sense to rely on stuff that is said explicitly, like those official ranks - because those are not distorted/bent by narrative intents.
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>>143805529
>tanked the only one that passed.

Tanking implies it did no damage. Strike Stars' power isn't well defined, but it's surely behind Exelion Buster in power. Given how Nanoha's Round Shield blocked a S Rank (in power) attack in StrikerS, it makes sense Signum wouldn't go down after one powerful blast directly hitting her.
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Vivid BD's when?
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>>143805820
>said explicitly
So, the line in the StrikerS manga about how a battle between them can go anywhere because a battle is more than just about power levels?
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>>143805884
>Tanking implies it did no damage.
Not true. "No Selling" means it did no damage. Tanking means power through it and be able to keep fighting which is exactly what Signum did.

When you help new players in a mmorpg by taking the damage for them so they can get experience is called "tanking".
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>>143805698
>Is that S- including the ability to unison and the potential power with that used? Or is it rank without that.
Without. She had that rank at the beginning of StrikerS. Not sure if a new rank was measured for her and Agito when unisoned but i don't tjing it goes that far away. The gap between S and SS seems to be pretty big. Nanoha, Fate and Signum won't get much bigger than what they are now even with power ups. Hayate's level cannot be reached by natural means. Jail was modified by birth and whatever Precia did to reach such gargantuan power was killing her.
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>>143805820
Pretty much this

Look how much of a clusterfuck Force has been with power level already.
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>>143806430
>whatever Precia did to reach such gargantuan power was killing h
Wasn't Precia supported by the magic reactor she had at her place
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>>143806274

In vs battles, it's what it implies (or that it did very little damage).

>>143806464

Regardless, SS would've been her natural rank.
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>>143806462
Force was less about power levels and more about cancellation and status effects.

Hard to fight effectively when your powers get cancelled and your eauipement starts getting frailer just by being near your opponent. Look at what happened when those two factors were removed.
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>>143805972
>>143805820
I feel it's more to do with who is the authors favorite at the time or the fan favorite is what ends up winning battles and tournaments.
Did anyone care about Caro before the whole thing in StrikerS? No. That's why she jobs so amazingly outside of Force.

>>143805439
>Force
>Continuing
Force is a mess because the author made a bunch of OC donut steels who immediately upstaged the main cast. Also Toma is a bad, bad, bad, awful, awful garbage character with no redeeming qualities. So let's make him the main character of our magical girl sequel.

Force will probably continue. But it will in the same way that a patient of life support continues: little fanfare that no one notices until it finally slips away when no one is looking.
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>>143806516
>In vs battles, it's what it implies (or that it did very little damage).
Call it what you want. Point is Signum eat up that point blank and was able to get back at Nanoha.

Einhart got hit with a much weaker version of that (Nanoha had a quite strong limiter) from far away and got almost knocked out.
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>>143806561
It was honestly more about how warm and fluffy the author felt about the characters that morning. Jobber-tier suddenly becomes good, and then bad again.

Protip for aspiring authors: making your antagonists powers be 'Well, they are immune to the powers that the main cast has-" is terrible. Please re-think your antagonists in the future.
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>>143806561
>Look at what happened when those two factors were removed.

Signum kicking Cypha's ass was less satisfying than I thought it would be. Wonder why?

http://i.imgur.com/3vz3m2P.jpg

>>143806613
>That's why she jobs so amazingly outside of Force.

Only her summons were worth shit, anyway.

>>143806693
>Point is Signum eat up that point blank and was able to get back at Nanoha.

Did Nanoha bypass Signum's shield with something like the Strike Flame with her melee attack? Another thing to note about that battle is how powerful Divine Buster got if it could damage Signum's barrier jacket to that extent and went head to head with an attack that had Nanoha dazed and pretty damaged.
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>>143805972
You can't take just that and ignore the other part. Your line says that there is an element of uncertainty and conditions in the rank scale. But it doesn't erase the fact that the rank gauges power.

It doesn't say that the rank scale is meaningless. Obviously higher ranks says that overally your odds are better. The rank doesn't give you a sure shot answer who will win in one encounter, but statistically, it should quite work - Fate should now win more matches than Signum, if they had say 20 or more of them.

Basically your thinking is too binary. Rank is not everything, but in the exact same way you have to accept that it is not nothing, either.

>>143806430
She could unison even before, with Rein II (so could Vita). Not as affectively but obviously it did give buffs, else they wouldn't do it.

>>143806464
>>143806516
More likely Precia's SS is when she has 9 jewel seeds which is insane source of power + Garden of Time, but it doesn't mean she is as powerful on her own.
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>>143806884
>Fate should now win more matches than Signum, if they had say 20 or more of them.
Would like to see that. Doubt Signum is an easy peasy match even for after StrikerS Fate.
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>>143806882
>Another thing to note about that battle is how powerful Divine Buster got if it could damage Signum's barrier jacket to that extent and went head to head with an attack that had Nanoha dazed and pretty damaged.
Nanoha was Blaster-1 at the time. So yeah, her Divine Buster was pretty beefed up. Signum may not be Yuuno level but her defenses make her very though.
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>>143806884
>Precia's SS is when she has 9 jewel seeds which is insane source of power + Garden of Time

It has nothing to do with the Jewel Seeds, but you're right about using Garden of Time as a mana source.

http://imgur.com/6PMsogl

>Her Mage Rank of 'Limited SS Rank' does not denote that her personal Mana Reserves are massive, but instead points to her qualification as having a specialized skill in utilizing Outside Mana Sources as her own Mana Pools.
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>>143806882
>Signum kicking Cypha's ass was less satisfying than I thought it would be. Wonder why?

Because Signum has a personality, drive, and motivation. So Feito fighting her in A's had weight and consequence. You didn't want to see Signum lose because, even though she was a bad guy, she was still fighting for a perfectly valid reason.

Cypha, who gives a shit. I forgot that was even her name until you brought it up. I can't remember half of the names of the Huckebein without calling them "Squall, Lulu, Tidus, Honda, and Cloud".
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>>143807096
Yuuno has rank A. He probably isn't really competetive anymore by StrikerS. And Signum is safe to say to be tougher in defense, I think.
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>>143807020
Signum has grown just like Feito. 'It's why Nanoha still has problems with Vita. Vita's skill isn't static, either. Only her breast size.
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>>143807096
>Signum may not be Yuuno level but her defenses make her very though.

I'd say Signum has better demonstration of defense than Yuuno ever showed. There's no proof he can hang at all. After Nanoha got RH upgraded in A's, she got tougher defenses. There's not even proof Yuuno could've blocked the attack that Vita beat the shit out of Nanoha with.

He's just stuck in the libarary nowadays, so we'll never know, but it's highly unlikely he could block something like a S-Rank power attack.

>>143807260

Pretty much.
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>>143807266
>Signum has grown just like Feito
doesn't sound very likely, I already stated why, but anyway, bedtime for me. See you guys next, hopefully over Vivid S2.
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>>>/u/2087194
Something from /u/ as a parting gift. Best lezbot.
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>>143807342
>doesn't sound very likely, I already stated why
I didn't read it, but Signum trains just like Feito does. It seems unlikely that Feito would grow and skill but Signum would remain static even though they're both training. Unless Signum is just extremely hardheaded or untrainable. Which I don't think is the case if StrikerS is to be believed.

>See you guys next, hopefully over Vivid S2.
AahhhhhHAHHAHAHAHAHAH

Ah.
See you next thread.
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>>143807389
We need to do something about the mechanical lesbian invasion.
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>>143807405
Nobody said she stays static. But she has fought for centuries and is adult and well experienced and trained.

Fate in As is 9 years old loli, 1-2 years of experience. Figure who has more headroom and untapped potential and who will hit the law of diminishing returns more.
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>>143807389
Hnnng lesbot.
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