When did you realize that the MC of Re:zero was for self inserts?

Episode 1.

>>143638626
Episode 0.

I don't like this new meme

That guy's way too much of a sperglord though, even for me

>>143638626
Is this a bait?

Who would ever want to self-insert into Subaru?

>>143638626
Subaru is the ultimate anti self-insert.

>>143638626
When I saw Re Zero is a LN.

>>143638626
From the very first episode?

No one could fuck up this bad, not even /r9k/.

>>143639669
I don't know, the ending there when he cried about how much Emilia owed him was spot on /r9k/

>>143639669
Given the level of stupidity of people here... many of them would probably fuck up even more than Subaru.

>>143639669

Subaru is /r9k/ tier tho

>selfish
>virgin
>autistic

>>143639828
Sure but they wouldn't be able to set themselves up to fall that hard, they would have stayed away from the selection ceremony like good little robots. Subaru is overprotective father tier.

>>143639919
I dint think you know what the word autistic means...

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>>143638626
Fuck Off

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i want to kill this fucking cunt

>>143640167

>I don't think you know what the word autistic means

There anon
We never talked before so using didn't is weird in this case

>>143640255

>Honourable
>Skilled fighter
>Is not a beta to let a virgin faggot insult your livelihood and your bros

Why?

>>143640255
>Some foreigner piece of shit calls himself a knight
>He implies that he is of the same standing as you and your honorable order
>When you correct him he tries talking back at you despite the fact that he shouldn't
>You challenge him to a fight to restore the honor he tarnished and he accepts
>He fights without honor and is still weak as shit with arrogance to think he could beat you
>He further insults your order by being such a weak fuck
>Tries to cheap shot you as a last resort and even that fails

Julius did nothing wrong. Subaru did everything wrong.

>>143638626
The moment the anime was announced.

>>143638803
You'd be surprised how much "dying" fucks up the mind.

>>143639669
Don't underestimate the depths of social stupidity from /r9k/.

>>143640116
Given that every single "arc" he's experienced with Emilia ends with her or himself or someone close dying, you can't blame him. If he's not there to witness things, how can he collect information so he can make sure no one dies?
By design he sees himself as never able to rest, lest things get fucked.

He legitimately has PTSD.

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>>143640356
There's something else to keep in mind. Subaru said something about him being a knight just because his father was, when he said something about throwing around his father's name; we have zero evidence that's how it works in that world.

On the other hand, I don't want to leave out that one Nobel from the selection committee that said that Subaru's display made people less scared of Emilia. Having people feel embarrassment /pity is a great way to quench fear, it's 100% reaching but that may have helped.

The first thing i ever learned in this world was the information that subaru is a self insert character. My first words as a baby were also "haha he is a little bitch, he went crazy just because he was killed in an extremely brutal way 3 or 4 times".

>>143640597
You sound like an edgy person.

>>143640597
He's died about 8 times the main problems are, someone he cares about may die and stay dead and he can't talk to anyone about his condition so he comes off as fake.

>>143640758
Yeah thank you for the reminder anon

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Ready for the new OP in 90 minutes?

>>143640981
It's shit compared to the old one apparently

Not like we ever really hear the OP anyway.

>>143640864

I can completely understand emillia viewpoint

If you trace the timeline as a single one you will see that subaru comes off as a really fucking obsessive weirdo that never did anything that warranted any kind of deep bond (for emillia that is) or showed any great deal of skill/feat.

Why doesnt Subaru just invent fire and show these primitive people how fire works? They will worship him as a grest wizard and then he can become the new royal wizard.

>>143641169
Did you miss the part where a village was burned down by fire?

>>143641040

I actually liked the song more than the old OP https://twitter.com/kagayakiru/status/749637355183697921

The animation is a little lackluster, but the same issue was the same with the first OP, so that's fine

>>143641169
He is on fantasy medieval times, not fantasy stone age.
If anything the natives would be able to start fires much better.

>>143641169

Yeah because there aren't any actual magicians around...or fire..

Come on, if Subaru knew how to manufacture a gun then things could work out

>>143641373
>>143641276
>>143641205
he's memeing you dips

>>143641155
But it is also true that Subaru is incredible anxious and ... eccentric using a polite term. Considered his clothes he could just tell an half-truth. He came from another world, he does not know why, and he feels that Emilia is the only clue that has about it. It's Obvious That Followed Emilia Because of his reasoning with the dick, but technically the checkpoint was activated When He saved Emilia, so, it's not a total lie say that the girl could be a clue.

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>>143641258
That last shot

Does anyone know if Subaru ever gets better at using shadow magic, or will he keep destroying his gate with a bad verson of shamac?

He's not for self-insert as even the most self-inserting hambagas from you-know-which sites of the Internet hated his personality displays from the end of Arc 2 onwards and want him to return to a purely joke-spitting machine that gets his way easily.

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>>143642611
Robots actually do self-insert as him.

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He's just a personality trying to do what he thinks is right while being at the bottom of the pyramid of status and though it it's entertaining to see him struggle in his efforts, I can't even insert into him

>>143638626
had to fast forward through most of that ep, cringe worthy shit,

>>143638823
The people who find him annoying.

>>143640571
>Subaru's display made people less scared of Emilia
Ahhhhhh, as in the common folk, scared whether she's a witch or not? I thought he meant that Subaru made her opponents less scared of her as a competitor when i watched it.

though it could work both ways

Why didn't he kiss Rem then

If Subaru talked like a normal person instead of screaming like a child at the slightest provocation, he'd have far fewer problems.

>self inserting into misery
No nigga

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>>143645362
Made them less scared of her being a half-elf with a ridiculously powerful spirit as her companion. Made them realise that she's not pretending to be a good person since an idiot like Subaru is defending her like that.

>>143638626
When I read the description
>Boy gets sucked into another world
I don't remember a series I like that did this.

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>>143638626

>be a lonely NEET playing vidya all day
>suddenly find yourself in a strange fantasy world
>get saved by a cute half elf girl
>fall in love with her
>die trying to protect her
>suddenly you live again
>everything has reset
>die over and over and over again trying to protect her
>you want no reward
>all you want is to be by her side
>you see how she mingles with shiny powerful knights
>you do your best to not say anything despite your jealousy feeling like a stone in your chest
>you notice how she wants less and less to do with you
>eventually she throws you away like a used tool to be kept in the background
>you make sure to do your very best in a desperate attempt to stay relevant in her life
>she doesn't care
>you finally snap and tell her what an ungrateful whore she is

He really did nothing wrong.

>>143641997
What evidence is there that his gate is being destroyed? He spams his shadow shamac fine even when his gate is supposedly broken.

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But can Re:Zero compete with A Kid In King Arthur's Court?

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>>143645694
>you do your best to not say anything

lol

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>>143645869
He had to say something but he held back the real threats and said that instead. I think it's very respectable and well done to have that kind of self control.

Subaru's sperg out was instigated by Roswaal. He knew exactly what would happen if Subaru showed up in court. Rem didn't just let him go. She was told to. So not only do Subaru make a fool of himself but he's a fucking tool as well.

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>>143645927
>respectable to have the self control of a toddler

>>143645936
Roswaal knew it'd be pointless to keep Subaru out of the royal selection because he could die and respawn repeatedly until he found a way in.

Rem couldn't stop him last time, so Roswaal told her to not even bother trying this time.

>>143645953
He did hold back until Julius baits him, if anything it's Julius who sperged out.

>>143646003
What? Roswaal doesn't know about his ability.

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>>143646048
No. He acts like a complete retard with not an ounce of self-control. His behaviour is pathetic, childish and extremely disruptive. Back to >>>/r9k/ with you.

>>143646101
Do you even know where you are? This is REEE:Zero.

In what fucking way did subaru saying words justify physical violence?

Seems like the knights are even worse for sperging out about >muh honor.

>>143646101
Not from /r9k/, the knights didn't care until Julius asks Subaru what he meant by knight and Subaru did nothing wrong until he insults them.

>>143646301
What fucking violence? He could have declined the duel.

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>>143646347
>the knights didn't care
Shit, anon. Did your autism and wizardry give you the power to read the minds of fictional characters? That's great.

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>>143646287
So long as there's life in me I'll be telling autistic robots to get back to /r9k/.

>>143646412
The rest of the knights only take notice after Julius drops the bait not before.

>>143646301
The words "I accept richboy" in response to "lets have a duel scrublord" justified all the violence.

All this court scene discussion has really drawn to my attention just how many underage spergs there are on /a/.

>>143646360
>implying he wouldn't get stabbed in an alleyway after declining the duel

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>>143646572
It's called discipline, anon. They act as they should as a group until one of them deviates from it. Imagine a formation of soldiers. They will stand at attention, and look as they should, but if one of them suddenly steps out and starts talking, they'd react. Stop being so autistic. You can't read the characters' minds.

>>143645953
he couldn't protect that smile

>>143646890
Neither can you, we're told they're mad because he insulted them and their was no insult before the bait.

Poor guy can't catch a fucking break

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Is it even possible for Emilia to get anymore btfo in fanart by Rem?

>>143639919
he's neither of those things

or well he's at least not selfish or autistic

>>143645694
>falling in love with a girl he only knew briefly
that is plenty wrong

>>143648057
Subaru is a full blown stalker at this point.

>>143648300
in the real world

in his head, and rightly so, he's spent a lot of different quality time with all the girls. it's like you naysayers don't get MC's basic characteristic and base of struggle

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>>143638626
>Re:Zero bait
Stop.

>>143648605
Who is the blonde girl?

>>143648686
Super Saiyan Videl.

He's just too inconsistent for me, its normal for a person's personally to vary a little but in some scenes he's brave as can be then in another he's become totally craven. Plus it doesn't make sense how he still fear death after being killed 7+ times and each time he comes back? The only thing to fear at that point is the pain but after 3-4 times you can get conditioned to it.

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>>143650612

>>143650612
I think it's two things, one he's already getting mentally tired from living out all these memories with everyone and then not being able to share them and two, what do you fucking know anon, dying seems to hurt like hell and I think he mentions that sometime.

>>143648686
>>143650612
>how can he still fear the unknown in a foreign land filled with magic and magical horrors which could make you suffer in unspeakablr ways.

>he died 7 times why is he still scared of possibly being captured and tortured like some Saw movie.

Are you usually this stupid?

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This is how a gary stu self insert looks like.

Subaru the type of nigga dat will fuck yo bitch then jump off a cliff to avoid paying child support.

>>143650612
He stops fearing death fairly early on, he's sick of having to loop and have people forget him. After he kills himself he was willing to die to the dogs and reset on two separate occasions so other Petra and the twins wouldn't die. He doesn't fear pain or death when fighting Julius and he's disappointed he didn't reset.

Why is it that people don't even know what a self insert is anymore?

>>143651776
Character I don't like = Self insert

>>143651776
Language evolves. The term is being used for characters intentionally made so people can self-insert as them.

Have you ever been so butt blasted at r9k you had to choose a random anime and meme it just because you don't like thing?

>>143640167
No, Subaru is pretty autistic. He's a complete social retard. I've met people with asperger's with the same kind of mindset as Subaru, and it's a damn good thing they aren't shoved in life or death situations like he is.

>>143638626
haven't seen it but he's a self insert because he's the protagonist of an isekai

>>143645694
>being a jealous idiot
>expecting to be able to be by her side 24/7 when shes in line to become a queen, and he is less than a peasant
>being autistic

he did plenty wrong

>>143638626
Never, since the character have to be bland in order to be a self-insert. Reasoning like "he acts like he is from /r9k/" does not make him a self-insert, it gives him a personality, which in turn makes it impossible for him to be a self-insert.

"self-insert" have basically become the buzzword used by retards on /a/ to shitpost a show.

>>143657328
Self inserts don't have no personality, they have personalities that are just vague and ill-defined enough for a person to easily imagine themselves as that character.

Kirito doesn't have no character, his character is just "well he's a cool dude I guess." Subaru is mostly the same, but with "cool dude" replaced with "awkward sperglord."

>>143646456
Is this from the new OP?

>>143657762
I don't think his personality is either vague or ill-defined at this point. It is pretty obvious at this point what his expectations are, how he thinks, and what he stands for.

He is selfish, self-entitled, and socially awkward. He is basically all the bad points of a NEET hikikomori, which he hides by pretending a genki attitude (which has been blatantly clear since that one episode where he cried in EMTs lap). If you want, you can call him a robot or whatever.

To me it more like that retards on /a/ is trying to force this notion of self-insert onto every MC in every anime. I guess that is why only shitty SoL and fantasy harems are popular on /a/. One is where they can look in envy about mundane everyday activities which could have been their lives, and the other is the fantastical lives they might get to live (since if it can happen to some random ordinary dude, then why not me?).

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When does he stop being delusional that he is useful and go back to fun things and dying?

If he was a self-insert, he would forget Emilia and go for Rem. Instead, this autist can't even understand that when a girl said "no", it's NO.

Too spastic for a self-insert.

>>143659223
Being an embodiment of negative NEET features is all he does. He has no other personality traits. That's a poorly defined character because he's only symbolic.

>>143638626
He's too retarded for self inserts. I'm pretty sure most people will give up on chasing half-elf pussy arc1 after the second loop and git gud instead.

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>>143647723
>liking dead characters

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What is his problem? I don't understand if he's just retarded, or a psychopath, or has multiple personalities.

Someone has the opening with the video and not just sound?

I don't understand why people like this.

How? How can you people like this shit?

>le epic gamer gets summoned in to fantasy gamer world
>le gamer references
>le self-aware protagonist who makes 4th wall puns and mocks the tropes that the anime itself is guilty of using

Seriously, fucking kill yourself if you watch this shit unironically

>>143660327
Slowly turning psychopathic

>>143638626
>Competent character, he's a self insert guys
>Lame character, he's a self insert guys
Fuck off.

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>>143660483
I'm not sure if the source material handles this differently but he definitely sounds completely insane in this episode.

>>143660602
There's more to being a self insert than that.

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>>143660446
Here, let me tell you where your bait failed and why you aren't getting any replies.
>le epic gamer
This is factually incorrect. Fix your shit, then try again. Also, delete your post. Please lurk more before making a fool of yourself again in a Re: Zero thread.

>>143660446
Have you watched until the latest episode?

>>143660446
Because they're actually watching it instead of fishing for (You)s

These threads confirm to me how much of a shithole /a/ is

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What a creep.

>>143660805
This 2bh, It's so strange how so many people have dropped it and get pissed at it just because the MC doesn't do everything perfectly.

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>>143660805
Is that you in the picture, anon-kun?

>>143660941
Because beta virgin autists think they can handle dying over again better than the main character who is a beta virgin autist.

>>143660941
No, people drop it because MC is an annoying, cringey fuck and the show is not entertaining to watch.

Repeatedly dying is probably stressful. Knowing that you're utterly useless to anyone if you're not readily available to gather information probably eats at you. Being actually unable to explain your situation is probably pretty frustrating, not to mention when you do things right you end up erasing 95% of the common experiences you had with your friends. You've never had to deal with real hardship before. And then things go exactly the way you feared they would.

What a sperg lol.

>>143661255

50% of /a/ is literally filled with little girls who never in their lives known pain or struggle. Leave it anon, let them have their fun. I am certain sooner or later reality is going to hit them so hard in the face that they will turn to anime for escapism.

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>>143638626
>Re:zero was for self inserts?

>>143661466
>Expected "For (You)"

>>143643804
>In a dress
>Extremely feminine voice, face, and body
>Is a guy
Why is this allowed?

>>143661466
It is for self inserts.

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Best girl thread?
>She will win the election

>draw cute cat girl
>girl voice
>wears girl clothing
>it's a dude lmao

>>143661802

>Win the election

Poor thing, he doesn't know.

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>>143661886
Your point?

>>143661802
I would fuck her voice

>>143661070
But the MC is accurate embodiment of yourself; if you can't handle yourself being ridiculed you're probably the trash who likes SAO and Danmachi

>>143662048
>if you can't handle yourself being ridiculed
pretty sure we can
that is no the same as being a cringey fuck like the MC

>>143661802
She already won my erection.

>>143662048
No, he isn't. He's a caricature of a flawed character that has nothing but flaws and no endearing, positive, or interesting features.

>>143661886
Face aside he seems more like a boy than a girl. shoulders, colar bones and a complete lack of chest.

This forced /r9k/ meme is the worst thing to pop up from this show.

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>>143659774

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>>143659774
I don't see the problem here

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>>143662709

>>143638626
At the same time I realized the MC of Yahari was for self-inserts, literally before the show began.

>>143660941
So many people on /a/ don't understand what CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT is or in a more meta sense the writer is leaving room for the character to develop. After all apparently there is another 6 or so arcs that we haven't even seen yet.

We can bitch once the series is over cause then its set in stone.

>>143638626
Atomic white supermen like moi self-insert as Reinharts. Plebs.

>I am Reinhart, destroyer of pussy, savior of AUs and roris
You mad?

>>143661255
And this is what I love about Re:Zero its literally the embodiment of the trope: "Your true character is who you are in the dark." What Subaru does when no one is looking or what he accomplishes and how know one could ever know. Its great.

>>143663447
>know one could ever know. Its great.
Shit grammar, shit taste. That's why Reinhart is the best.

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>>143640981
>>143646890

>>143663140
Oh boy, I only need to wait 6 more arcs for the MC to become bearable! Picked back up, I'm sure the wait will be worth it.

>>143638626
Reading the description for the show before it aired.

>>143660941
I've been on /a/ since 2008 and the best way to describe those who don't understand character development is to call them redditor newfags.

>>143659483
he actually starts being useful pretty soon

>>143664009
And that is solely down to the writer. It can be done. But whether the author has the skills or not is the million dollar question.

>>143665115
Or I could just watch a show that's good from the start and who's MC doesn't make me want to gag.

>>143665371
Obviously you don't have any tolerance left for the MC. That's fine I still got some left. Different horizons anon. I have lots of time. I'm still enjoying it so I'll keep reading it. Besides I'm more drawn by the premise then the MC. So it doesn't annoy me as much.

>>143665754
The premise is typicial Isekai crap mixed with some bad political drama. What's interesting about that?

>>143638626
Before it premiered.

>>143659774
>>143662709
>>143662931
This is more than I could've asked for from OC

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>>143638626
>self-insert

Congratulations, another real term that has no fucking meaning anymore thanks to you dumb parroting fucks. A self-insert is supposed to be an extremely bland "japanese everyman" character, Subaru has plenty of personality both good and bad.

Then again, I should have known that there was no hope for the phrase back when people unironically thought that Shirou was a self-insert.

>>143666153
>implying Shriou isn't a selfinsert
Lurk for two years before posting again.

>>143666196
>jumps in front of a being 10000x more powerful than him to stop her from getting hit
>risks his life an absolutely insane ways constantly

You must have an incredibly high opinion of yourself if you actually think an average person would do this.

>>143666268
kek, stop posting kiddo

>>143666153
>Subaru has plenty of personality both good and bad
He only has bad personality traits and he doesn't even have many of those.

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>>143666268
>claims selfinsert has no meaning
>doesn't know what a power fantasy is
Your banishment to lurking is now 4 years. Test me again; I'll make it 8 years.

>>143666293
Amazing rebuttal, I'm amazed it only took you a few seconds to squeeze that one out.

>>143666321
Still disqualifies him.

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>>143638626
>Self-inserting into a guy who literally can't stop suffering

>>143666153
>back when people unironically thought that Shirou was a self-insert.

You're a Fate-watching faggot whose opinion doesn't fucking matter.

>>143665955
I like the: "Reborn again to undue past mistakes." There's a lot of drama to be had and what I really like is how much the MC is suffering because of it especially since it reoccurs quite often in Re:Zero.

Its one of the reason why I'm still reading the Tsuyokute New Saga manga. Its not good but I really like the premise. I also need to get around to watching Groundhog Day.

In a general sense I really want to see a scene in which the MC meets old friends, or a lover and just breaks down crying and the people in question have no idea why or have never met this person ever. I like that sense of loneliness in fiction.

>>143666349
None of what you said has anything to do with self-inserting. It's the lack of character traits that makes them a self-insert, not their power level. Or is every powerful MC a self-insert now?

>>143666444
I replayed the original vn almost a decade ago, I don't really care about the franchise anymore. It was just an example.

>>143666389
You self insert to characters similar to you not just anyone.

>>143666365
No, most self-inserts have negative traits. All you need to be a self insert is being vague enough that you can project onto them easily.

>>143638626
This Subaru bullying is just too much.

>>143646301
>Quote from man blown the fuck out
>"What are you going to do? Blow me the fuck out?"

>>143666537
By that terrible meme definition, almost every single MC in the history of anime is a "self-insert", then. I can foresee the epic "Exactly!!" response, but if you take that route, then it doesn't change the fact that you're shitty insult now means almost nothing, which was my original point to begin with.

>>143662264
>Nothing but flaws

>Loyal to a fault
>Brave to a fault
>Generous almost to a fault up until the constant struggle of losing himself drives him over the deep
>Kind
>Somewhat clever but his pride, a central, core flaw to his character, which is also a strength IE his pride demands that he saves everyone he cares about, makes him do incredibly stupid shit

He's more than just a caricature, he's the truth of what happens to big damn heroes that were never meant to be because of the reality in life.

That not everybody is capable of the strength needed to get the perfect ending, and this idea of "I just try harder, next time around" is literal pure insanity down to it's very definition.

>>143666482
>Shirou has character traits
Name three. Heroic isn't a trait, if you were unaware. Oh and the VN version of Shriou is dead now that he's a main character in pedoma ickya.

Also, having a blank slate like Shirou that is also powerful for insertion makes him that much more popular.

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>>143638626

I cannot stand the MC, but I like everyone else in the show. He is such an autistic faggot. He makes even Yukiteru from Mirai Nikki seem like a well-rounded, likeable character.

>>143666792
This.

>>143666675
That fucker isn't loyal, brave, generous, or kind. He's already proven that he just wants people to be in his debt. Also he's dumb as rocks, he can't read social situations for his fucking life. Stack on to this that he still has no nuance whatsoever. His entire character is devoted to chasing after these girls hoping one of them falls in love with him. It's pathetic and not interesting in the slightest.

>>143646055
He does. His magic book tells him that Subaru has some ability to choose the best future or circumvent obstacles.

In fact, everything in the first three arcs happen to 'test' the extent of Subaru's powers (even going as far as killing Subaru if he fails to obtain the 'best' possible ending), or to ensure his loyalty and proximity to him. He's just trying to use Subaru as a pawn to help resurrect the Witch of Greed. He knew the witch cult was going to attack, and he let them fucking in and paid them no heed.

He gets absolutely wrecked later. Literally everyone in the cast takes turns beating him up while Subaru burned his magic book that told the future.

>>143666791
He's incredibly self-sacrificing to the point of legitimate insanity. I don't need to name three traits, as I said before, this alone gives him enough character to meaningfully affect the plot and greatly distinguish him from real self-inserts and disconnect the reader from his actions.

>>143660483

You don't "slowly turn" into a psychopath. That's not how it works. You either are one or you're not.

>>143638626
>When did you realize that the MC of Re:zero was for self inserts?
Never because he's flawed in every way, making him the opposite of that.

>>143666900
>His entire character is devoted to chasing after these girls hoping one of them falls in love with him

>It's pathetic and not interesting in the slightest.
it would have been, if it worked. the way it is, he's getting shat on. Also, he has the feeling they all should be in his debt because hhe literally died for them. I'm curious whether and how he ever gets over this crutch

>>143666957
Self inserts aren't perfect people idiot. Self inserts are characters similar to the target viewer.

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>>143666915
>I guess he's suicidal?
>I-I can't think of anymore
See you when you're done lurking for 10 years.

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>>143667092
Why not just bow out gracefully? You're not fooling anyone.

>>143663140

It doesn't matter
Rem will never be the main girl, it will never be the main route

I demand a VN so I can make Rem my heroine

>>143666900
>Hey x person just died because of my dumbfuckery
>I will now commit suicide which in which I will experience and remember every haunting second of my death

>Brave
>Being able to face death repeatedly, for friends and loved ones?
>Fucking pussy, if he aint going through Berserk levels of Grimtark then psh, nothing personal... Kid,

>Generous
>Hey, those fucking kids from the local village who are going to likely be horrifically murdered, whom I know though a passing relationship? Yeah, Imma going to go try and save them or at least do everything I can to help

>Kind
>If you don't get this, I'm baffled

Yes he's dumb as shit. He's also fucking like 18? 19? His pride fucking rules his code, which is a character flaw and strength. WHAT? HE HAS DEPTH? And fucking nuance?

What? You butthurt that what you thought was another self insert that banged all the loli pussy doesn't fucking sit in the corner of the tavern like the mysterious stranger he is?

People come in all different shades and tastes, him lacking nuance is just a aspect and a fucking FLAW of his that helps DEFINE him, which drives character growth and development.

>>143660327
He's a psychopath. Heck, he's always been a latent one if you noticed that he was covering up his depression from the very beginning, by acting like an autist to trick himself into being happy.

It gets worse as time goes on. His 'love' for Emilia and his journey is supposed to mirror Satella's 'love' for Subaru and her own journey. There's not so much difference between the two. If you didn't notice, Subaru never cared about Emilia. He doesn't care about her thoughts, her feelings, her ideals - the only thing he cares about is her as an objective, a grounding force that keeps him anchored in the world. Without that, he'd have gone mad long ago, not even being able to have the privilege of dying, looping endlessly throughout his life aimlessly, which would break even the strongest of men over time.

Her rejecting him is effectively destroying his raison d'etre. He needs her to need him, and he needs to protect her, because otherwise all the suffering that he's gone through has been completely meaningless. It just gets worse over time, at the beginning he was only using her as an anchor in a world that he knows absolutely nothing about and has nothing, then he wanted to save the girl that was nice to him, and things escalated from there.

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>>143666548

He is the architect of his own suffering. He has had multiple chances to fix it, but Subaru gonna Subaru.

>>143667237
>dodging and deflecting points
>winning arguments on the internet
wew

Why doesn't he just bite his tongue every time he fucks up a flag? Even if it doesn't kill him, at least it'll shut his dumb trap.

>>143666935
He probably meant sociopathic, which he's clearly showing tendencies of, not to mention a strong case of PTSD.

Probably has something to do with dying 8 times now, having days of mind numbing work being flushed away, bearing incredible pain among various other causes.

It's incredible how quickly someone can show antisocial tendencies under massive, overwhelming levels of stress.

>>143667424
I know, right? And
>wew

Lurk for ten more years before posting, friendo.

>>143660327

Why wouldn't he go? What's going to happen? He dies and just resets, and now he has knowledge of future events to better make a descision?

Are you retarded?

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>>143667014

Not quite. The less traits a character has, the easier they are to self-insert into, as everyone has different personalities. Ideally, a blank slate/nice guy (i.e. most academy harem MCs) makes the best self-insert.

>>143667484

And all because of pussy
Ah to be a virgin again...

>>143667304
>Canon REM route
>Oni children
>World ends because he didn't fulfill his destiny to Emilia
>Rem and children brutally murdered
>Dies slowly in a ditch starving to death because the world is ending
>Restarts at the beginning with the 3 thugs in an alley
>YFW

Plz make it canon.

>>143667484

Plenty of characters from other series have had to deal with crazy and terrible shit, some much worse than himself, and they still manage to not be faggots about it.

>>143667694

And it would be worth it

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>>143667500

>>143667750

Subaru is the more realistic approach.

Get a NEET, who by nature are people who run away from stress and hard choices, in a situation where he gets a shitload dropped on him at a single time, added to this he is the closest to a girl he likes he ever been.

It is understandable why he snapped

>>143667586
Being a obnoxious waifufag and only that makes Subaru perfect for the job then.

>>143667586
You are confusing easy to write MCs to self insert MCs. Not saying easy to write MCs can't be self inserts.

>>143638626
What the fuck is a self inserts? I bet you're a disgusting beaner OP.

>>143667750
Plenty of characters from other series aren't held to the fucking standard of reality that is people don't fucking die and come out okay, especially when you multiply this 8 times over, 7/8 being excruciatingly painful in addition to the pain gone through while just trying to survive, ON TOP OF watching dearly loved ones be sometimes quite literally gutted before their fucking very eyes which now means you must commit suicide AGAIN to ensure they live, on top of the stress, pain and anguish they must toil through.

Fuck off, I know battle hardened vets who've been broken by finding their buddy got nailed while he was out of the wire.

I know A vet who barely survived an IED because his vest caught the shrapnel aimed at him and the brush up with death broke him in ways he can't explain, not even 15 years after the fact.

Real fucking human beings have a hard enough time dealing with the death of their fucking dog.

Their own death isn't something most normal people don't think about, but aren't entirely bothered because of it's finality. Having to remember the pain of 8 deaths would destroy the human psyche.

>>143667978
It's someone you see yourself as being in the show. It's /r9k/-tier autism.

>>143667844
>>143668133

You guys are giving this series WAY too much credit. In my eyes, this series is no more (or less) "realistic" than any other action/fantasy anime. This one just happens to take itself a bit more seriously than most of them.

>>143666915
Not that anon, but I watched the UBW anime recently and then played the first route of the VN and Shirou comes across as 2 different characters in them. VN Shirou is definitely not a self insert, he sacrifices himself way too much, just can't accept basic reasoning and the like. I feel like those traits are toned down in the adaptations tho, and those traits are the exact same ones a self insert character would have (even if Shirou does take it to a stupid level), so I would say AnimeShirou is, or at the very least, feels like a self insert.

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>>143668133
>some bulletsponge wet his pants when he got hit with a phonebomb
Keep your "real life" shit off this board faggot.

So I never read the LN or the WN
But from what I could gather is that

The emillia from the first life was actually satella, her personality was different than in the second life and onward, the first life emillia was more outgoing and insincere.

Then, through some jackshit insane bullshit the next timeline was on emillia.

Am I correct or am I wrong?

>>143668406
I won't deny there are series designed for you to imagine yourself as MC, but there's a difference between pretending you're MC and sympathizing with him because you can relate. Some faggots are just too autistic to realize this.

>>143668422
Its a realistic approach to how badly fucked up a big damn hero would become when faced with death, repeatedly, that is remembered quite vividly

>>143668586
I know it's bait, but I mean, if literally being one of two survivors out of 7, the rest being turned into pin cushions from shrapnel impossible to remove and treat in the field, makes you a pussy, because of how absurdly lucky you got?

Shit I got nothing.

>>143668851

How the hell would you know how "realistic" dying repeatedly is? It's not like we haven't seen rewind abilities in anime before. Are you seriously trying to say that this series has the most "realistic" approach to the plot device?

>>143668513
Anime Shirou has traits that are hard to self insert.

>Goes out of his way to help everyone
>Having a job
>Cooking/Cleaning
>Selfless
>Built body/Self training

>>143668630
No, that's completely up in the air speculation.

Also Satella is not dead, remember, the dragon, sword saint and Sage together couldn't destroy her, so they sealed her away.

She's still alive, but she's sealed off.

>>143669079
Those are literally all qualities every generic self insert harem MC has.

>>143669288
Not really. They are usually loners good for nothings who live alone.

>>143668958
I'm fucking saying if you literally have your guys, stomach, intestines, and all that good shit, spilled onto the ground as you're left to slowly die from bleeding out, you're not going to wake up and starting singing Staying Alive, especially when the fucking memory of before is clearly and distinctly burned into your mind.

What the fuck is your issue?

Death isn't painful? Getting gutted, stabbed, impaled, smashed, decapitated, cut in half literally, isn't excruciating, even when the show and manga clearly point out that even simple, supposedly painless deaths haunt the MC?

Especially when compared to real life where, yeah, that shit would be painful and haunt the memory of anybody who'd lived through it?

What is your fucking argument because it makes zero sense.

>>143669288
Kind of sad when Subaru is even more of a self insert than them.

>>143669288
>literally

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>>143669380
>applying aspects of real life to a part of fiction that can't be quantified

>>143669495
>Implying fiction isn't based off real life in many aspects

it's a fantasy setting but it doesn't mean it can't try to follow human behavior based off reality.

In the end, the author could and could not be basing it off reality, but we'd have to ask him if that's the case or not.

Anyone hate how Subaru perfectly forgets to mention all the technology of our world?

>>143669863
What good would that do?

>>143667329
My father once said,

"If they're not bitching, they're not happy."

Basically people ask for these kinds of characters all the time, and when they finally get they're rounded character, they go apeship because he's not making the decisions they as a viewer make.

>Why doesn't he just do x to achieve y?
>Why doesn't he just act like I want him too?

Maybe it's because we're not the ones living a now immortal and uncertain life which we have barely anything to hold onto accept the hope of saving people in return for a new life; like Subaru.

I think what most /a/non's lack is the ability to understand they're are many complex thought process that go through a person's mind, affected by past experiences and elaborately constructed ideals. Therefore it's childish to call him retarded, simply based on the actions he has yet to learn from due to his different mindset. He clearly isn't pandering to anyone on this delusional board since no one likes the choices he makes, probably because they relate to his situation. Or maybe he just reminds us all that we're just like him, once we find something to cling to we don't give up on it easily, even if it rejects us.

>>143669894
Makes him feel more realistic?

>>143669989
Didn't read, meh.

>>143669989
Most people forget that they're watching everything unfold so they have a better understanding of what's going on, and thus can claim to know a better answer for a problem that's happening, forgetting to view it from the character's perspective who is facing the problem.

>>143670020
Again, what would be the point? He seems like a perfectly ordinary person, mentioning these technologies would do him no good, especially when he probably doesn't have the know how on how to create then.

Why is self inserting so popular? I mean it just feels foolish to me to try and insert into a character.

I sometimes wonder how'd i fare if i was put into the situation, but not on the level of inserting myself into the characters.

>>143668422

It's not <adjective>, it's just more <synonym to adjective> than other series.

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VN When?
I need my multiple routes

Realistically tho, I've see VN become anime and LN but never saw LN or anime becoming a VN so all im doing is posting pipedreams

>>143670118
That's not the point. My point is that he should at least still be somewhat attached to the technologies from our world. Him completely not mentioning them seems weird for someone who was living in our world not long ago.

>>143638626
Subaru isn't a self-insert, he's just an obnoxious desperate hopeless annoying faggot. Not a bad character by any means but he's insufferable and unlikable.

Self inserts are generic everyday men who live the most mundane lives and react in the most safest, predictable and blandest way to everything to be easy to insert into. subaru's too much of a hopeless nutjob and sperg to be a self insert.

>>143670340
His eyes looked fairly bad at the start, or at least he looked kinda down. He was probably tired of life, or at least not finding any enjoyment in it. If that's enough to remove his attachment to things in terms of technology then probably.

We also don't know how he lived his life, his cellphone looked fairly old, so he probably didn't have all that much.

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>>143669380

I don't have an issue. You're the only one here taking your fiction super seriously. Treating it as more than it actually is, entertainment.

>>143670388
I prefer these characters honestly, having a bland self insert character is rather annoying.

We can see how flawed Subaru is, and possibly may get to see him try to change, or maybe not, but that' times better than characters with nothing going for then.

>>143670333
>actual Rem route

ahhh

>>143670333
>each girl gets their own route
>there's no good ending for any route

>>143638854
That can't be true seeing how many people self-insert as him to waifu Rem. That shit infests every single thread.

>>143666912
>he gets absolutely wrecked later

Not nearly enough. He still has Subaru dancing in the palm of his hand and Ram dancing on his holy sword.

>>143667560 see >>143667347

>>143640255
Fuck off Subaru posting your shit in every Re Zero thread.

YOU DIDN'T PROTECT REM'S SMILE, GO KILL YOURSELF.

when people say MC is realistic..i laughed

It only gets worse from here on in, right?

>>143638870
This

>>143638626
When I saw the MC.

>>143645694
>be a lonely NEET playing vidya all day
>Also be autstic as fuck
He did everything wrong

>>143666153
>A self-insert is supposed to be an extremely bland "japanese everyman" character, Subaru has plenty of personality both good and bad.
>Then again, I should have known that there was no hope for the phrase back when people unironically thought that Shirou was a self-insert.
Someone who actually isn't a shitposter on 4chan? Am I seeing things?

Judging by some of his remarks, Subaru has serious issues with being perceived as worthless.

If I had to guess, this is probably related to some kind of persecution complex that shut-in otaku tend to have and how they are generally perceived by society.

So he's struggling to find his place in this new world, but he hasn’t moved past his preconceived knowledge of shitty isekai light novels enough to realize that the fate of the world does not rest on his shoulders.

So Subaru continues to believe his transference to this new land is a sign of his true destiny as this world’s savior.

Thus the main reason for Subaru’s frustration is that the characters in his life are going off-script and refusing to make everything revolve around him personally. Therefore they do not feed into his attention whoring, and that becomes perceived as a personal slight against him.

>>143680572
Get lost.

>>143680422
Didn't he fall of the edge into neethood because his father was such a glorious stud?

What's Reinhard's deal? He's too nice

>>143680897
The guy is literally invincible, is the strongest char in his universe and has been brought up as a knight. He can afford it.

How long is this trainwreck going to continue? I understand Subaru went through a whole lot of fucked up shit but fuck is it hard to watch him keep doing stupid shit and ignore every bit of decent advice given to him.

>>143680897
He's chaotic good.

>>143680936
>The guy is literally invincible, is the strongest char in his universe

How do you know for sure?

>>143680946
>trainwreck
Yet another word who's going to lose meaning on 4chan?

Is Subaru tied to the half elf or something? What if he fucks off far away and gets rich and she dies?

>>143680971
Word of God in an interview.

>>143680977
My bad, I was talking about the state Subaru is in, not the anime itself.

>>143639828
>implying the average /a/ poster is smarter than the average robot
>implying robots dont post here constantly

>>143638626

this is the worst fucking manga/anime I've ever seen, not only is the MC incapable of reason and self control because he's autistic but the fact he is never going to change for the whole story.

DROPPED

>>143680994
>Is Subaru tied to the half-elf?
Yes he is. Satella the Witch is using Subaru for unknown reasons and is the one respawning him when he dies, and setting up his checkpoints.

She's also basically putting her scent all over him, marking him as her territory and other Witch Cult followers thinks he's a Pope.

>>143681208

I meant the half elf Emilia since she asked him to call him satella

I was wondering if subaru just let Emilia die and walked away, would that force him to respawn?

Or is she irrelevant to the witches plot?

>>143650612
>he thinks you can get "conditioned" to having your limbs crushed and chopped off
m8

>>143638626
What did he even do wrong at this scene? I don't get why Emilia was being a cunt.

>>143660327
>>143660483
>>143666935
>>143667484
How is he displaying psychopathic tendencies? I can see how he's displaying antisocial tendencies but he still seems to give a damn about other people and he obviously cares about Rem.

>>143666935
Thinking psychopathy is a binary condition and not a scale, meaning that some people can exhibit psychopathic tendencies and have less of a conscience than others

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for some reason I find this idiot interesting and cool as mc

>>143669863
What's he gonna do create a computer entirely from scratch?

Alright so this is about a NEET getting transported to fantasy land and rather then being a gallant knight or edgy anti-hero, he's just a huge autist?

Do I have that right? Will this be entertaining?

>>143681858
Well it should be relatable at least.

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What's this guys REAL deal anyways?

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>young upstart politician that plays a shitton of Total War in his free time gets transported to a fantasy world
>starts climbing the ranks and social castes
>eventually becomes king
I want this.

I know it's coming so someone spoil me

When is the next time loop where he dies over and over gonna happen? It's been far too long since

>>143681958
>deal
greed

>>143681958
He's an awesome flying wizard that looks like the vocalist of KISS and has two twin ogre maids, a magical loli and a cute half-elf in his mansion. He's also a e s t h e t i c as fuck.
And he plans to run the kingdom.
I want to be like him when I grow up.

>>143681969
>Does this alongside his loyal and caring mercenary friend
>slips up, fucks the princess and gets tortured
>sacrifices merc friend to demons for power

And he'd have done nothing wrong.

Are debts trans-death debts or do they lose all meaning whenever Subaru dies?

>>143681582
He doesn't really care about people, he just cares about the roles he wants them to play in his little narcissistic fantasy. The second they stop playing along he gets very angry. He doesn't care about their feelings, their needs, wants and aspirations, only his own.

>>143681996
Starts next episode

>>143682153
That's actually rather "deep" for what people deem to be "yet another isekai".

Episode 13 really did a huge highlight on his personality. Even with the QUALITY, this simple aspect made quite a nice shitstorm.

>>143666485
Finding a character relatable isn't self inserting you fucking autist. Its called empathy, a thing most normal human beings have.

>>143682452
So you're admitting you're autistic?
>;)
Kill yourself

>>143682452
>;)
lurk for 2 years before posting

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>>143682044
FUCK OFF GRIFFITH

>>143667750
Because they are shittily written characters for dumb faggots like you.

>>143682153
Is this true or are you just making shit up?

>>143682791
>Implying that the characters in Re Zero aren't cliched underdeveloped shitty 1 dimensional generic as fuck cardboard cutouts

>>143682825
Subaru most definitely isn't you retarded strawmanner.

>>143640356
I have to agree. objectively speaking, Julius did nothing wrong.

>>143682825
Episode 11 and 13 proved that they weren't, at least for the main characters.

>>143682903
>memeing
Fuck off from /a/ retard.

>>143682879
but what about episodes 1-10 and 12, are you saying they don't count?

Subaru is for self-insert faggot same as NTRfag

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>>143682776
>>143682896
Lel epik troll you sure got me. Now go post your stupid frog somewhere else faggot

>>143682925
Not that anon, but it's called character development.

>>143682966
i didn't post the frog though

>>143682925
Characters don't have to change every single episode.

God, these discussions are always so fucking retarded. How can so many people not get something this simple?

>>143683048
Autism

>>143682966
Did I hurt your feelings newfriend? Maybe you'd feel more comfortable on another site for people like you such as www.solvingthepuzzle.com

>>143638626
So you mean that self inserts characters like Kirito and Reinhard watch it because of the suffering that they can't get in real life due to being flawless Marty Stumps? Makes sense

>>143683048
so he revert back to old self faggotry?

>>143683138
What?

>>143683048
There is no excuse for autistic characters anon.

>>143682903
>>143682925
Just because it's WN/LN doesn't mean it's automatically shite, you gotta clear this thing out of your head in order to think correctly.
Then, what kind of characterisation do you think you can get out of a fantasy work? You cannot get Wheel of Time level of in depth exploration because there's not enough time to balance story and development. Fucking hell, most visual works don't display any character development, and even great works like Perfect Blue are more busy dealing with the themes and direction than taking care of characterization. I mean, fuck me if the stalker or the actual guilty party weren't fucking cardboard cutouts from your average Western movie.
You guys seem to think that every anime needs to be Eva level of exploration but god fucking damn, it would be painfully boring if every anime had to do introspection shit just to please your autism by making you think you're watching some high-level entertainment for "intelligent people" like you.
You guys are making me actually pretty angry with your pretention towards visual works.

>>143683183
Stop shitting up /a/ with your presence.

>>143638626
Self insert has become a meme

>>143683292
Too many people have no idea what it means and it's 95% of the time used for shitposting purposes. God, I hate all those newfags who refuse to lurk, butcher our lingo and treat 4chan as their playground. Mods should ban more but there's far from enough of them to stop the hordes.

>mfw people this is the greatest anime that have no cliche

lurk moar pls

>>143681194
See you next week

>>143683405
You should be the one to lurk more. You clearly haven't read the thread. You can't speak English either.

>>143683377
>>143683403
>salty
>awful typing
I'm pretty sure you're the one who's reddit. All the posts which were deleted in this thread were deleted for a good reason.

>>143683463
>my English

i have lurked this thread since episode 1..overall it is shitty

>>143683463
>>143683492
samefag

>>143683340
>>143683403
You're trying to hard

>>143667694
Would there be anything more soul shattering than getting your entire family ripped from you and the one person you spent your life with doesn't even know who you are?

At least dead they stay perfect in your mind, but in that case you have a constant reminder that she wants nothing to do with you.

>>143683405
But if you lurked more you'd realise that /a/ is generally loving it

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>>143638626
Where the fuck is Betty?

>>143683646
You'd be a fool to think /a/ is loving this. Myself, it's the only anime I'm watching this season and I find it entertaining as fuck but I would never say that I love it, not that it's a great anime.

>>143683646
more like circlejerk than /a/

>>143683700
There's like 20 threads a day and a lot of discussion but yeah may just be >>143683704

>>143683776
Don't think that just because it's talked about, it means that it's good. And a lot of threads see their share of haters, especially at the beginning.

>>143683704
More like most of people here who watch it and didn't come from reddit to shitpost about self insert or whatever. Re:zero is really good and while last two episodes were very painful to watch, the events in them make perfect sense and are done well. It's honestly well done show, especially how it shows characters emotions. Art is decent, girls are super cute, music is good.

>>143683839
Most of those haters were busted as people who didn't watch carefully and simply wanted to shit on "another" fantasy show.

>>143682153
I love that Subaru is a piece of shit. It's surprising to see /a/ get so triggered over it honestly. I'm actually hoping he doesn't get better and ends up becoming a villian. It could be interesting

>faggot MC
>waifub8

what can go wrong?

>>143650612
>conditioned to dying

dying is painful and scary you know?

>>143683700
I have no idea what constitutes as /a/ anymore. I haven't been very active in last two years and I barely recognize the board, threads are really awful. Some of them stay mostly similar but mostly due to niche interest. Everything remotely popular is unbearable, way more than it used to be.

Now threads are full of posts like >>143683965 who just spout brainless insults and think it makes them fit in on 4chan.
Well, maybe it does nowadays.

>>143684012
well maybe because its fanbase people shitting on them

>>143683888
anon I watched this till 8 episode..sadly I say this is another isekai show

>>143684261
Your post doesn't make sense. It can't even be considered a sentence. Please express your thoughts properly if you want me to understand them. Preferably in English.

>>143684291
What do you mean by "another isekai show"? That action happens in different world? Yes it does. That it's very similar to other shows with similar theme? No, it isn't. That it doesn't have anything separating it from other shows with similar themes? No, it does.

How about you actually post something of value?

>>143645694

They know eachother for one week
One fucking week

Would you trust a obsessive nigger after one week?

>>143684401
>week
hero said that he pick up thief girl one month ago
but you're still right about that

>>143684401
After he saved my life and proved that he was a very loyal and kind man? Yes.

>>143684401
That's the thing. Emilia's actions are perfectly understandable. But so are Subaru's. Sure, he fucked up horribly in last two episodes but we know that as watchers. If you try to understand his point of view you will realize it's hard to blame him for what he did.

These episodes are a pain to watch for me but I respect the show for what it's doing and how. Hopefully we'll get proper reward for current suffering.

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>every time Roswaal speaks
How can Takehito be this great?

>>143684503
And yet, whenever she asks him to do something, he always completely ignores her request and does his own thing. It's impossible to trust someone like that. He's too unpredictable.

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>>143684533
>loving the clown dick in your ass

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>>143662709
>>143662931
underrated post

>>143662709
show must go on

>>143684545
Because she is a dumb naive whore who doesn't know shit. She needs him.

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>>143684738
You're not fooling anyone Subaru

>>143661466
Was he asked if he was a big guy?

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>>143684819
He did nothing wrong.