Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1591

>>143533008
よくやった

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がんばるぞい
いがんばるぞ
ぞいがんばる
るぞいがんば
ばるぞいがん
んばるぞいが

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Has anyone got the full version of this OP pic? I can only find the thumbnail, I wanna save it for future thread making

You guys can make fun of Eric-sama all you like but he's probably rolling in the cash from all the dumb suckers who are stupid enough to fall for his ads while laughing at our guide maintainers who did all his work for free.

I need to get better at listening. Is the answer to read more?

>>143533378
The answer is always to read more

>>143533378
Watch anime

>>143533406
いぬのちんぽ！

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>tfw 四字熟語
>tfw 四字熟語 pun

How the fuck would you even begin to translate that, kill me now.

>>143533406
ひ、卑猥！

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まんざいとか惚けとか

>>143533539
By thinking of a pun on something with a vaguely similar meaning. Nobody ever said translation was easy though

>>143533686
>>143533539
The answer is a TL note.

>>143533701
neah that's squidding stupid as fuck

>>143533436
I can already understand anime speak. I need to understand real Japanese people now. They speak too fast

>>143533755
Watch harder anime

>>143533755
Watch Gaki no Tsukai

>>143533754
>squidding
funi devs pls go

>>143533755
Youtube lets you speed up and slow down playspeed. You could try slowing down real Japanese, or speeding up anime.

>>143533755
Watch Teekyuu

>>143533539
>>143533701
>*Pun based on the yojijukugo “猪突猛進” (“Chototsu Moushin” – to rush recklessly into something with no consideration, i.e. like a wild boar). The kanji by themselves are something like boar + thrust + fierce (or blindness in another version of the yojijukugo) + advance, but the start and end pair are also two words in their own right, “recklessness” and “rushing headlong” or thereabouts. Here the third kanji is replaced with “農” (“agriculture”), so take it as something like “Recklessly gardening, like a boar”.
K then.

>>143533755
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjEKRCIWLZw

>>143534214
痔病と持病はどうちがう？

>>143534214
Do people actually think this type of thing is harder than anime

>>143534534
>Autism

>>143534610
ジャコスいくの！？

>>143534610
舐めたい
うずめたい

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Is there a scecific reason why Google switches from wa to ga when talking about future?

>>143534844
>scecific
specific

>>143534844
I'd tell you if you weren't a fucking commie.

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>>143534644
いやジャスコだろ

is 10 animes a day enough to learn japanese

>>143534844
because google translate is garbage and can't interpret the correct phrases to use 住む in
it would be odd to use は with that verb in most contexts, so google takes the safe route and picks が
the reason why it's more natural to use が is because 住む is a verb that naturally raises questions (where is he living?) so without those answers, it fits better with が for the nuances that you probably heard about from tae kim

here's where you would use が and where you would use は
赤の広場にはレーニンが住んでいる
レーニンは赤の広場に住んでいる
as you can see が is used when lenin is not the topic of the larger statement
like i mentioned, without the 赤の広場, and without other outside context (like something that could be contrasted against with は), が is the particle that looks better to google

it did manage to interpret your third sentence pretty well though
you can figure the reason it uses は is because it reads better as a sentence that starts with a clear topic
hell it even added the 続く for emphasis

あ

>>143535508
い

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>>143533183
I just checked but it looks like I didn't save it. Damn, it's one of my favorites. And it's not like we can look in the archive anymore.
>tfw all that effort spent making sure the thread number is right is all for nothing now

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reps

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>>143535376
depends do you mean 10 animes or 10 episodes of anime

>>143534644
>元ネタはエロゲ「黄昏のシンセミア」におけるセリフ。
>本作品では「ジャコス行きたい」「ジャコス行きたいなぁ…」「ジャコス行くの！？」と異様なジャコス愛に包まれている少女がジャコスについてのセリフを連発する。
すごい
やっぱり２ｃｈでも翔子ちゃんは最高だね

アイ　ラブ　ユウ

>>143535684
愛羅武勇２

>>143535618
The one that's possible without watching 2 anime at once or putting it on double speed

>>143535779
according to my research you will learn japanese at about 1020 per second (mach 4) watching ten episodes a day of anime (subbed)
raw anime brings it up by k*n/c where n is your current knowledge of japanese, c is the average complexity of the language used in each episode, and k is the constant of proportionality

>>143533008
>don't do the review for one month because of exams
>getting back to core 2k after exams
>500+ review
>did all of them easily in 30 minutes.

A-am I making progress?

>>143535897
Sorry bro you better recalculate my calculations are that it's more like ke^{-(n-c)^2)

>>143535931
>500 review after a month

Are you sure you don't have a cap on your reviews or something? Seems pretty low for a month, unless you just wernt that far into core in the first place

>>143536000
I honestly don't know, how can I check? btw I fear I have another 500+ to do today when I get back home.

>>143536051
You probably don't. The default is a lot lower than 500 iirc which means you changed it, and you probably didn't set it at some weird random number.

Ok this might be a little retarded but I noticed

暗殺 (Ansatsu)

Does this have anything to do with "der Ansatz"? Or is it just another ah so?

>>143536414
of course not idiot

Is there a difference between 「恋人が好き」and 「恋人のことが好き」?
I don't seem to notice any difference except one being unnecessarily longer.

>>143536480
Yes.

>>143536496
The difference being?

>>143536525
のこと

>>143536560
Th-thanks.

>>143536480
こと is way more intimate, it's hard to explain why with an English comparison, the のこと just makes it more specific, you'll pretty much always hear it that way if it's between a couple or whatever anyway

>>143536093
Yea I remember did that, I prefer doing more reviews each day than less but for a longer period of time.

>>143536596
Thanks.
I read it in a doujin where one confessed to the other, it can work there as well, right?

>>143536682
No, it absolutely can't. The mangaka put it there to fuck with you.

>>143534513
if this is OC you should just put her face on the first panel

>>143536682
Yeah it's always used in like a lovey love context, whereas 好き and 大好き can often be used more casually to refer to like friends or shit that you like

>>143535566
>arch
Wtf happened to it?

>>143535488
Thanks, comrade.

>>143536797
I heard someone posted something illegal (from /r9k/ I think?) and so it got taken down for the feds to look at. Not sure on the full story.

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>>143536823
без проблем, господин

日本語を学んでるの？

>>143537539
無い．自習です。

自習・・・つまり独学？すごいね

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今日も一日ぞい子を強姦したいぞい！

>>143537844
>大麻吸ったあとエッチする

面倒くさそう
エッチよりゴロゴロしたい

>Second day of managing to avoid looking at my anki stats

FEELS GOOD MAN

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人
ゴミ
人ゴミ
is this really Edge: The Language

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>start spending time learning an instrument
>been slacking off with Japanese
Am I cursed to only be able to focus on one thing at a time? Could someone just call me a faggot and to go do my reps?

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>>143538108
i dont see whats wrong with instruments

>>143538108
For some people, hobbies go in and out of focus, and at any given time there are ones where you're making progress and ones where you're dormant or even regressing.
If you manage to at least maintain your Japanese learning habit, consider yourself well off. You'd be able to dial up your efforts at any time in the future.

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Okay so this is my situation, some of you may remember me anyway.

I had some examinations taken for a scholarship to do my undergrad in Japan, out of the 40 people that applied I was the only one who passed. So 95% sure I'm going to Japan, just need to wait for an answer from Japan in november-december. The thing is I did study a lot of vocab and can speak with my japanese friends comfortably (Except I have to search like 40% of vocab they use on the dictionary from time to time), and I want to return to my studies, but now focus on the writing part of kanji too.

The trip is in april 2017, and I get to study japanese in a language school over there for 1 year (alongside math phys and chem) and need to be able to reach N2-N1 level in that time period, while being able to handwrite kanji. The question is, how can I get a headstart? I am only working 8 hours per day now that I'm no longer studying for the test, so I have a lot of time.

I'm 1200 words into core2k-6k (old one, started last year) and I have the RTK book but I don't like it so much (got it as a gift).

Any advice? If this is not an appropiate question please delete it, thanks.

If I'm never going to write kanji by hand, am I doing unnecessary work doing production (keyword + reading -> kanji) on KanjiDamage? I don't write the kanji down, I just do it in my head, thinking of what radicals make it up and where they are.
Or does doing production have a positive effect on recognition?

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おにいちゃんおなかすいた

かきふらいたべたい

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>>143538519
>>143538519
Third paragraph is probably interesting to you. If you're already at a stage where you can kind of converse, the best way to learn will be to just read (and listen) a lot. Set yourself a goal, like finish 20~ VNs by then of which a couple should include harder ones like Dies Irae and Muramasa. If you can manage that then N1 shouldn't be a problem.

>>143538639
I just learnt the radicals through rote and by writing them heaps. It's pretty effective

>>143538830
I see, thanks. So I should mine vocab from VN's and practice rote writing? (or maybe give another shot at RTK)

Also, is there a guide anywhere to set up VN's?

>>143538883
If that info isn't in the guide (last time I checked it was a bit of a clusterfuck) then you can just google that information.

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カキフライはないりくこくいがいのあのんくんは食べるよね？

牡蠣はおいしくてどこでもかんたんにようしょくできるもんね

>>143533370
Who is that? Did I miss some drama?

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>>143538519
彼女なしの感覚

>>143533755
>I can already understand anime speak. I need to understand real Japanese people now. They speak too fast


When I was in Japan my problem is that they speek too softly/meekly.

I think they need to speak a bit louder.

>>143539281
I think they just need to speak like anime

>>143539256
I just skimmed through the conversation but from I passively gathered some guy made a "learn Japanese the easy way with anime and manga" textbook for kids who can't stand to look at a grammar book.

>>143538883
>Also, is there a guide anywhere to set up VN's?

Here's how I do it, it's not the most convenient but I find that to be a good thing actually, if you get too much handholding like sentence parsing and furigana, you will just become used to it and stuff will be harder to remember:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/1vl9i7/guide_how_to_relatively_easily_read_untranslated/

>>143533755
Watch monogatari

>>143538519
My year in Japan is ending now.

I can tell you it'll help you greatly with your confidence with speaking.

>>143539847
Not if he's a massive fuck up it won't

How old were you when you studied abroad, if you did?

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>>143538826
だめ
ねだんすぎる
かかくたかい
ひょうでかい
俺は貧乏だよ

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漫画のこと読まなかったけど、ぞい子は本当にゲイですか？

>>143540202
>漫画のこと

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>>143533183

>>143540436
Ah great, thanks

I'll make sure to take good care of it

>>143540202
>漫画のこと
>です
This is truly better than /r/cringe

>>143538883
it's in the resources list
http://pastebin.com/q2kra4cq

>>143541185
and http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk

天の塔を追う王を追う

So what's the best thing about leaning Japanese?

Can I marry a Japanese cutie if I master Japanese?

>>143542686
You can read un-translated H-manga and VN's

>>143542886
No but you can escape from your 3D brainwashing and realise that 2D is better in every way

>>143542796
But anon you're always worth just as much as you want to be worth

>>143543097
yeah you're always worth a lot even if its just to yourself

>>143543182
Kappa
btw wtf is with recatchpa its lightbox or whatever is fucking up

>>143533008
Will we stop posting Aoba here when New Game starts airing and the cancerous crossboarding /v/-tards come flooding into /a/ posting New Game memes?

>>143543659
>/v/
>watching anything but manime trash like Jojo

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>>143543659
It's all good, we can just disguise her

>>143543659
I will make sure to post all the freshest memes here daily

>>143538062
人込み

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One of the handful of references I understood from this series. How cultured do I have to be to understand most of it?

>>143543659
We can use this instead

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>>143544598

>>143539847
The MEXT 1-year language training part? What about the other 4 years? I'm doing engineering.
>>143538916
>>143539457
>>143541185
Thanks a lot!

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>>143545544
あの悪い子が酷すぎなんですけど…好きじゃない。

Is there anything than reading Yotsuba tanks with fresh Japanese green tea?

>>143546968
>酷すぎ
Can you explain this, I don't understand

>>143547455
なんだできないのかい

>>143547304

何？

>>143547304
死ね

>>143546968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkZZjotHsv4

>>143548223
BUARRGARR

>>143534844
cyka blyat

>>143543182
I'm worth nothing to myself friendo.

>>143548499
Well that's no one's fault but yours 兄貴

>>143548619
I'm pretty sure it's learned trait, onii-chan.

自覚くらいしてるし.

what does this mean

>イチキュッパ
Well that's kinda weird

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僕たちはこの猫を家族同様に思ってる

What does RTA stand for, in nico streams?
I guess it is real time [something] but quick Google search didn't help.
ニコ生RTA

>>143550322
Oh nevermind, it's speed run (real time attack)

>>143550322
Are they game livestreams? If so it could refer to the speedrunning term, real time attack. That's what the tag on niconico seems to be populated with, anyway.

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>When you tell them you're out here doing hanami and they think you're out here doin 花見 when you really doin 鼻見

>>143550412
Instead of looking at flowers you're looking at noses?
分からないよ

>>143550490
What's wrong with that?

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Noobie here.

Are all of these just different readings, or are they something I'm too new for and shouldn't worry about?

>>143551142
You shouldn't just memorize random readings of kanji, learn them in the context of actual words.

>>143551142
Don't worry about readings until you encounter words that use those readings

>>143551142
The ones on the last row are name readings and not something you should prioritize.

>>143551822
You need to know 5-10 name readings per kanji for all of jouyou and jinmeiyou in order to be fluent in Japanese

>>143551884
yeah me too thanks

Is the anon that downloaded all those audiobooks around? If so, are they too big to upload? They'd be nice to have in the CoR

>>143551884
There's a point of diminishing returns long before you start memorizing name readings for completeness.
Even a Kanji sage who could chicken-scratch circles around the finest scribes of the Qing and Edo courts, would run into trouble figuring out names, because a given spelling for a name maps to several different pronunciations which are all valid names.
Some names have literally dozens of known pronunciations, and you're not going to impress anyone or move any conversation along by being able to list the different possibilities.
The key to fluency with names is remembering them when they are revealed to you, and having enough experience with names to make reasonable deductions about an unknown name, or flat-out recognize it if it's well-known in its context.

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勉強する時間のがきた。用意してるの

If I've only been reading shounen shit like Dragonball will Berserk be too difficult?

>>143553238
>時間の

Could you recommend me any beginner friendly LN? I mean something like Hanahira in LN version. It would be best if it had a good translation (to consult only when I'm completely stumped by something).

And please no useless answers like "read what you want". I have shit taste so almost anything will be interesting to me, but I want to start with something easier.

>>143553756
キノの旅

>>143553756
キノの旅
>>143553756
Fuck off

>>143553756
俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない

>>143553708
太もも

>>143553712
>時間の
これを待たれた。＊勉強する時間がきた

>>143553662
Ask yourself if you really want to read it or not. Challenging yourself is only good for your language ability, and if you find it too difficult you can always come back to it.

>>143553928
I think 時 might be better as it designates a time rather than a duration.

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>>143553981
＊勉強する時がきた
Thanks

What's your favorite retarded katakana loanword? I just came across トランプ, playing cards, derived from "trump card" and it's a pretty good one.

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>ならば先に身体から教えこむまで！
In that case I'll go as far as driving in the things your/my body taught you earlier?
In that case I'll have to go as far as training your body beyond this point?
In that case I'll have to teach you with my body from here on?
fucking save me /djt/, please

context: generic porn plot enters the second round

>>143555116
Actually after writing it out "in that case I'll teach you with my body from here on" sounds simple enough
Can you just add まで to the end of a sentence to add the "ill go as far as" feel?

>>143555331
まで（だ） ~= だけだ

>>143555531
Ah I see, thanks

>>143553846
Is it really that easy?

>>143555663
it probably has an entry in DOJG somewhere
I know for sure shin kanzen master N1 grammar has a section on it

not that it's really complicated or rare enough to need much extra explanation

>>143555671
I've only read a couple of pages, but it seems pretty easy from what I can tell. It's SoL and unlike LN's like やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている the MC isn't a 中二 so the language isn't overly pretentious.

>>143553756
砂糖菓子の弾丸は撃ちぬけない was one of the first light novels I read. I think it would make a good beginner light novel.

>>143555671
I'm about halfway through volume 2. and I find it easier than any VN I've read at least (aside from はなひらっ)

>>143555728
Yeah I found a DOJG entry for it, should've just looked through the まで entries. My bad.

>>143556012
>>143555847
Thanks. I doubt fan translation will be of any use if I get stuck, but I will try it anyway.

I've seen that most people start reading once they finish TK. How far into Anki were you guys when you started reading?

>>143556208
You can start reading as soon as you want, and especially long before finishing Tae Kim
Just the essential section is enough to read Hanahira for example, and even the whole guide isn't enough to know all the grammar in regular reading. It's not some "beyond this grammar is just the obscure stuff" sorta deal
I started reading Hanahira 200 or 300 words into core and honestly didn't have to look up a huge amount of words, not more than I look up for harder VNs nowadays anyway

>>143556394

So is a lot of it just getting used to the grammar and going slowly through it? I can deal with that I think.

>>143551142

No, there are only 2 readings you need to learn for this kanji: http://ichi.moe/cl/kanji/?q=五

The ones at the bottom of your card are probably readings for personal names, which are pretty much useless.

>>143556394
I haven't read it but there's no way Hanahira doesn't constantly use stuff in the Special Expressions section.

>>143536596
こと is less intimate. You're got it completely backwards.

こんにちはnerds
俺は今うんこ真っ最中

>>143556852
I think you are confused.

>>143538826
私ちかちゃんの苺を食べたい~

>>143557229
なんか偶然だな
俺いまもうんこして行こうと思った
i feel like うんこする doesnt have the meaning i want it to

>>143557946
oh no dude here let me give you tyler kims house number

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When did you drop Anki anons? I am sitting at ~4000 mined words and thinking of maybe just switching over to Compelling Content™ fulltime. Is this a good idea, or should I push it out to maybe 5000-6000?

>>143558348
Never. But I don't go add every jukugo. Just the interesting words and things with weird kanji and such. If you can't read/listen fluently you can still get a decent amount of mileage out of anki

>>143558348
Only takes 30 mins a day, so probably never. It's not like I would spend those 30 mins on reading, since I already read as much as I want, I'd probably waste it on shitposting so it's a nobrainer.

>>143558348
After core2k

No regrets

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What does /djt/ do to stand out?

Shitpostは日本語で何と言いますか？

>>143558348
I quit Anki when my vocabulary deck contained almost 10000 words about a year ago. Though I had a specific reason to do it; I got all autistic about the meanings I had on the cards and spent like hours every day just editing them, so it was the only way to keep myself from going insane.

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>>143558348
after learning 2000 kanji

vocab SRS is for hacks

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昨日、図書館であんたの彼氏に合った..でも..どうしてその人がそんな場所にいたの？明き盲でしょう

>>143560001
イケメンだからね。。

>>143558957
I'm not an accomplished sorcerer, so I would be too afraid of being laughed at to wear such a big hat.

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>>143559968
>2000

>>143558703
If you can't usually finish your reps on the toilet without getting dingleberries you have too many reps

>>143561578
any more and you're wasting your time
kanji stops being hard after 2000

>>143558348
I dropped Anki after 3k words and regretted it, so I went back.

Compelling content is definitely most important, but a little bit of Anki compliments it so fucking well, especially if you mine your vocabulary from compelling content. I'll only quit Anki when my comprehension becomes so good that I struggle to find new words I want to add.

Where and how would I go about learning the reconstructed phonology and Late Old and Early Middle Japanese? I can't find any comprehensive English resources and my Japanese is too terrible to be of any use.

How do I get back in learning? I got burned out studying kanji individually and studying via vocab feels like I'm not really learning since I can't remember the kanji character.

>tfw not born japanese

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>>143563668
There are no tricks you either do it or you don't

>Click good on card
>double clicks
>shows answer to next card

Fuck razor mice. I know I can hit undo and it sometimes shows a different card, but fuck this mouse.

>>143563878

That is why you use 1, 2, 3, and 4 you dipshit.

>>143563953
Imagine how many hundreds of hours some people have wasted on Anki because they never learned to use the keyboard

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>>143563715
い*clap*たい*clap*何言ってんだよぉ

>>143563878
>Fuck razor mice
くたばれ

>>143564553
How could I have wasted hundreds of hours in anki if I've barely spent over 100 hours in anki

こんばんは、/djt/。元気ですか？

この読み人は、どこにいますか？
僕はオハイオにいます。

練習はどう進歩していますか？

このをただしてください。

holy shit this has been nothing but fuckup after fuckup

I learned the kanji without learning the kun or on readings and now I can't seem to retain vocab readings because I'm a fucking retard

I'm about 6 months into my kanji deck but I feel like I should start over.

>>143564990
How can you start over if you never even started

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>>143564990
>kanji deck

>>143564990
Do you think it will somehow be easier to learn kanji readings than vocab readings?

>>143565143

I actually begun kanji first vocab after because not knowing the kanji was holding me back.

For example I learned 海 and 岸 and knew that together it meant seashore, but it felt fucking retarded knowing the meaning but not the way it was read in Japanese so I was stuck reading half Japanese half English in my head, which is fucking stupid.

I should probably just start over my kanji shit after all and try to make somewhat of an effort this time.

>>143565256
No, learning on and kun readings is a total waste of time, just learn how to read the vocab. Learning the readings in context with your vocab is better than learning 15 readings per kanji and 1543603 different rules and exceptions. Just because the kanji give you an idea of what the words should mean doesn't mean that you shouldn't have to put effort into remembering how to say it, it sounds like your problem is not studying the readings of your vocab hard enough because you can guess the meanings from Kanji.

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>Step 6 (optional step for images):
>Add the card images to the card format: Hit "Browse" -> Navigate to the Core deck on the left sidebar -> Hit the "Cards..." button ->
>Add {{Sentence-Image}} under the <br> at the bottom of the "Back Template" section.

So there's bunch of <br> I see on the back template section.
Do i paste {{Sentence-Image}} under every <br> I see?

(pic related)

>>143565341

> learning on and kun readings is a total waste of time

well, this gives me a little bit of hope, I guess since I completely skipped them and I'm about 1100 kanji into my deck

should I just learn individual vocab meanings, then? I'm pretty early into my vocab deck and learning stuff like 空く　（あく）、　空　（そら）　空く　（すく）　has been pretty easy and straightforward so far because I already know the kanji and know what it means.

>>143565462
Yes
You can also replace "br" with your country code (br is for Brazil so it retrieves data from the Brazilian servers)

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>>143565462
nooo, you just need one. where do you want it to show up? very bottom? paste {{Sentence-Image}} under the last <br> then

>>143565486
yes

>>143565486
>should I just learn individual vocab meanings, then?
Yup, because just like in English, the word isn't often read how it looks, and you've just got to know it, along with the meaning.
-ough words, I'm looking at you.

>>143565546

oops

i think I need to sleep now

>neglected my core studies
>last time I seriously used anki was 2015
>Moments ago I looked at the pie chart and I think I mastered 1/4 of the deck.

So I decided to update both anki and the core deck (I deleted the previous core deck version).

Man, the core deck sure feels fresh and now comes with sound!
I have a lot of catching up do to.

>>143564990
You can learn readings via vocab, i would argue it's actually better that way considering how many different readings some kanji have. I started with vocab right away but had very shit retention because i was having too much trouble remembering the kanji itself, let alone the readings. Then i did RTK in about 3 months (not learning the readings) and restarted with vocab after that, my retention skyrocketed and remembering the reading doesn't seem to be much of a problem.

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>>143564990
>I learned the kanji without learning the kun or on readings and now I can't seem to retain vocab readings because I'm a fucking retard
You know what kun readings are, right?

Hint: They're literally entire japanese words.

It's literally wrong to learn them isolated from their specific individual meaning like you do with kanji decks.

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>>143566532

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>>143566748

>>143566532
>includes proper nouns, conjugations, hesitations, and phonetic variants.

What the fuck, that chart is useless then.

>>143566817
That's not what it's trying to say. It was written by a japanese ESL. The correction is in red.

>>143533755
Yeah, Japanese people speak too fast, especially the young ones. I can't even understand a single word

>>143566842
I could buy that he fucked up the phrasing on that part, but it specifically says it includes proper nouns, which outnumber normal words by an order of magnitude in most languages.

>>143538108
I know a 17 year old nip girl who's learning the guitar, learning english, and fucking italian.

You can do better you old fuck.

>>143566907
>Definition of 'word':

読む・読み are not distinct words
やはり・やっぱり are not distinct words
足・脚 are not distinct words

>Assumed Known Words are included in the coverage

Assumed Known Words are automatically provided to the set of "these are the words I know" vs "these are the words I don't know" for going along the 60%, 70%, etc breakpoints.

>but the number of words does NOT include it.

But they're not counted in the "how many words do I need to know to reach this breakpoint" value.

>>143566970
>, and fucking italian.
did you mean
>, and fucking an Italian.

>>143567083
no, he distributed the copula across two gerund phrases and a noun phrase

it is confusing though, "fucking" looks like a gerund but is an adverb there

>>143567083
reading comprehension my friend

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>>143567136
>>143567263

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>>143567136
>>143567263
I think that anon was joking. それは冗談でした

I only produce by shitposting in this thread with intentionally bad japanese so my normal japanese has followed suit

>>143567411
not them but the way he capitalized "italian" from the original made it seem like he was an ESL trying to "fix" it

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>>143567136
>no, he distributed the copula across two gerund phrases and a noun phrase

>>143567520
yes, this is why I responded. they seemed like an ESL

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>>143567520
>>143567750
classic DJT hair trigger ESL switch

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>>143567571
>その絵
>この香り
お前は一体どこからきたの

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>>143567837
i didn't insult them, i just figured if they were actually an idiot, explaining what anon meant to say would be good for them

>>143567879
log off now
nothing's going to fix your broken joke radar

>>143567857
>この香り
i just showered 2 days ago fuck off

>>143567520
Actually, the original text was flawed and probably made by an ESL and I was making fun of it.
The comma before the "and" means the fucking italian part is a separate clause from the learning english part and hence the meaning can't carry over the way it was presumably intended to.

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>>143567951
そうか...なるほど

>>143567951
>The comma before the "and" means the fucking italian part is a separate clause
Wrong. Full oxford comma usage is actually correct here. The only problem with what he wrote was the confusing usage of "fucking" as an adverb in a list that previously tied gerunds to actions.

>>143567879
枕流漱石

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>>143568072

>>143567951
李下に冠を正さず

>listen to line 5 times to catch a single word, still can't figure out what the fuck it is
>listen a little bit further

>later on, accidentally skip backwards to that point
>understand the word without even trying

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>>143568091
less confusing

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>>143566532

>>143568285
>new words
should probably be
>total words
but it probably won't be confusing in the context of the image and explanations

>>143568304
what the fuck is this shit

Is this chinese

I don't see a single hiragana

just fuck my life

>>143568049
It actually isn't correct here. The reason it doesn't work is that he wrote "learning" twice there, so the third item, having to conform to the rest of the list, only really works well as another gerund phrase. So "fucking" is being used as a verb there, however unintentionally. With "fucking" as an adjective, the sentence doesn't really make sense anymore, because he separated "learning guitar" and "learning english" so the last item in the list can't be "italian," since that's not an action anymore but a noun.

Examples of ways not to fuck up:
>learning the guitar, english, and fucking italian.
>learning the guitar and learning english and fucking italian.

>>143568304
I feel like i'm really close to understanding what this is trying to tell me.

>>143568399
it's a kanji reading chart

don't try to actually use it for anything

>>143568479
"autism affects us all"

>>143538519
Since you have to handwrite kanji, do RTK.

>>143568479
They seem to be readings, line up the h at the top to the yaku to the side, it's 百 and the b with the yaku is 白

>>143568408
>It actually isn't correct here.
It is.

>The reason it doesn't work is that he wrote "learning" twice there, so the third item, having to conform to the rest of the list, only really works well as another gerund phrase.
This is literally a made-up rule that you're pulling out of your ass. Yes, it's confusing, but there's not anything wrong with it at all.

>So "fucking" is being used as a verb there, however unintentionally.
Yes, it can be confused as a verb there, but it does not have to be a verb. Are you saying that the following sentence is grammatically wrong? No. Not just in bad form. *Wrong.*

>I'm learning japanese, learning grammar, and fucking sick in the head.

>With "fucking" as an adjective
It's an adverb, not an adjective.

>he separated "learning guitar" and "learning english" so the last item in the list can't be "italian,"
Yes it can.

>since that's not an action anymore but a noun.
This might surprise you but "learning guitar" and "learning english" are also nouns. They're called participle noun phrases.

>>143568760
Sorry my ESL friend I'm afraid to inform you you're wrong this time. But don't worry, I'm sure you'll learn English one day.

>>143568914
>you're wrong
>doesn't explain how he's wrong
Not that anon but you're cancer

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>>143568914
>>Sorry my ESL friend I'm afraid to inform you you're wrong this time.
I'm not ESL kouhai, I just know more than you.

>>143568927
that's because he doesn't have an argument anymore

>>143568927
Fair enough.
Look at the example he gave:
>I'm learning japanese, learning grammar, and fucking sick in the head.
which is correct, vs the original:
>I'm learning japanese, learning grammar, and fucking italian.
which is wrong. The difference is the context of the "learning" is supposed to carry over to the Italian, whereas in his example the last clause is a separate phrase following from the "I'm" without trying to receive meaning from the other clauses. Because of the Oxford comma the clauses are entirely separate entities and cannot receive contextual information from each other the way it was intended.
"I'm fucking sick in the head" is correct
"I'm fucking italian" is not

You see now, ESL-kun?

>>143569087
>The difference is the context of the "learning" is supposed to carry over to the Italian
Nah, the person at hand is italian when you say "is fucking italian".
>"I'm fucking sick in the head" is correct
>"I'm fucking italian" is not
"I'm fucking italian" is legitimately correct though. It might not be what he wanted to say (according to your assumptions), but it's correct.

>>143569168
It's only correct if there's a person called Italian, which it seems reasonable to assume there isn't. Otherwise it should be, as I said originally, "I'm fucking an Italian"

>>143569087
I've only been skimming most of this argument, but it looks like I was right -- it's an issue of parallel structure, combined with complications with an expletive infix.

In your first example, the verb "am" carries over into all three objects; it can be broken down into
>I am learning Japanese
>I am learning grammar
>I am fucking sick in the head

The second example would do the same, but the way it's punctuated does seem to imply there's an article missing before "Italian." With the comma, what would normally be an infix becomes, or can very easily seem to become, its own verb.

I don't have a dog in this fight, this is just what I gather, based on my two years of Linguistics I took in college.

>>143558957
gay test alert

>>143569258
No. "I'm fucking italian" is "I'm italian". The "is" is connecting to the adjective, "italian", and calling the nip an italian person.

>>143569267
You responded to the wrong person for the example you quoted.

>>143569351
Like I said, I've been skimming. I saw examples posted, based my post on those.

>>143569313
Oh. Yeah, you're technically right about this sentence, sorry. It doesn't make any sense in context though.

the pastebins posted here don't have any actual textbooks to assist in learning. usually it's just websites and shit.

does anyone have any actual textbooks i could use for this instead of fucking websites

>>143569267
What anon 1 is arguing is that, even though
>I'm Xing Y, Xing Z, and fucking W
was used in a place where the writer intended Xing to apply to all three nested object nouns (Y, Z, and W), W is instead interpreted as <specific thing>, and that <specific thing> was written in an incorrect way.

Anon 2 is arguing that W must instead be interpreted as <other specific thing>, which was written in a correct way.

Neither <specific thing> nor <other specific thing> are necessarily what the original sentence meant to say, i.e. applying Xing to both Y, Z and W.

The real issue at hand is that the semantics for inconsistent predicate splitting are underdefined in english.

>>143569535
Good textbooks:

(beginner level grammar guides)
Japanese: The Spoken Language
Genki 1 and Genki 2 (in sequence)

(intermediate level grammar guide)
Tobira

(undergraduate grammar reference)
Japanese: A Complete Grammar

(beginner-intermediate grammar dictionary)
A Dictionary of Japanese Grammar (trilogy)

All of these except Japanese: The Spoken Language are in the CoR.

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えっと..ここは毎日英語スレだね..毎日日本スレはどこか

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Hey DJT. I have a friend who wants to start learning nip but only has ~1 hr a day to dedicate to it. In contrast I have several hours each day I spend studying. What are your opinions on study methods? Do you think optimal studying patterns differ depending on the amount of time one has to dedicate, or should everyone pretty much do the same thing, just more or less of it depending on how much time they have to give?

>>143569541
>The real issue at hand is that the semantics for inconsistent predicate splitting are underdefined in english.
Where the fuck are you getting this from? They're perfectly well defined, in fact he just explained how they're defined in his post.

>>143569636
I said "underdefined", not "undefined". "Underdefined" in linguistics means that something is interpreted differently from person to person. Yes, the "best way" to split a predicate is well-defined, but how to interpret an inconsistently split predicate like this is not "well-defined". In fact, for most things where the writer can write one thing and it's actually "technically" read in a different way, they're just more under-defined aspects of the language.

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who here getting /cultured/ tonight?

>>143569791
It's only ambiguous because it's grammatically incorrect though. If he had written the sentence correctly it would be well-defined, and while in some cases in English a sentence can be correct and underdefined, in this particular case any grammatically correct sentence would not have multiple interpretations and the fact it does proves it's wrong.

>>143569955
>in this particular case any grammatically correct sentence would not have multiple interpretations and the fact it does proves it's wrong.
What grammar are you using to make this argument? Please do link it so that I can vest its references, because I certainly do not believe that a proper descriptivist grammar would forbid inconsistent usage of marking participles in a split predicate; people do that in speech, like, all the time.

>>143570042
>people do that in speech, like, all the time.
Give an example

>>143569603
>Hey DJT. I have a friend who wants to start learning nip but only has ~1 hr a day to dedicate to it

then your friend has no real interest in dropping other 'more important' hobbies
and if they have kids and 2 or more jobs, then thats also their problem, not ours

>>143569947
I already got plenty cultured but with cheap shitty sake that I bought for cooking instead of stuff that actually tastes good.

Maybe I'll move on to some high quality expired coors

>>143570113
So I was bringing home food, on the way, seeing Tim at the hot dog stand and stopping to say hi, and I noticed a twenty.

There's several ways to interpret what order the events here happened in because it's using participles inconsistently in a split predicate.

>>143568760
Late to the party, but fucking isn't really modifying the verb (learning) there, so I'd call it an adjective. Dictionaries don't even make the distinction, so it's not something to fight about.
You're correct that "learning english" and "learning guitar" can be used as gerund noun phrases, but in the original context they are present progressive verbs. Learning doesn't refer to the act of a learning as a noun here.
"A girl who is learning English."
as opposed to
"The most important thing in my life is learning English."
Don't confuse the two.

>Yes it can
No, it can't. Not if you want it to make any sense, grammatically speaking. The main clause is "a girl who is (x, y, z)" so if you put "italian" at the end of that list you're saying the girl is italian.

This is not a rational interpretation of the writing, of course, since even the idiots in this thread who can't tell the difference between an ESL and a joke understood what the first guy was trying to say. The grammar is still wrong though, which happened because he made the choice to stick an awkward "fucking" in his sentence and reflexively stuck an Oxford comma in to try and "fix" the awkwardness.
It is true that the Oxford comma removes ambiguity, but in this case it's the wrong half of the ambiguity that's being removed, if you see what I mean.

>>143569603
tell your friend to focus on grammar

one can easily learn the entirety of modern japanese grammar with shitty sub-4000 word vocabulary and ~250 kanji. After that, the only thing separating him and the meaning of literally anything ever written in japanese is a dictionary and google search.

(You) on the other hand have the time to fuck around with thousands of vocab, on top of grammar. And if you really do have several hours a day, you should be doing everything, including conversing with natives, watching TV, and reading actual novels.

People like him who stick with it are the type who could vacation anywhere in japan with zero problems (which is a feat), whereas you would approach the point where you could live there. Both of you will plateau eventually; he will need to get as "serious" as you with vocab if he wants to become truly advanced, and you will eventually have to live in japan if you want to become truly fluent.

assuming your goal is general proficiency and not "read porn with my tulpa"

>>143570636
>The main clause is "a girl who is (x, y, z)" so if you put "italian" at the end of that list you're saying the girl is italian.
What's what he's saying. Finish reading the argument.

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これは簡単ですよ。

>>143570636
>reflexively stuck an Oxford comma in
The oxford comma is not a second choice. The oxford comma is not optional. The oxford comma is not a patch for problems with the english language. The oxford comma is what's actually occuring in english grammar whenever you make list of several grammatical items. It's not possible to create a fully unambiguous english text without consistently and constantly applying the oxford comma. Your orthographic prescription against a default oxford comma was invented by papers and magazines looking to save money on ink. An overwhelming majority of linguistical grammar authorities state that the constant usage of the oxford comma is necessary for an unambiguous language.

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>>143570825

>>143570825
>>143570893
梟じゃない、回して

>>143570825
You seem to have confusion as to the orientation of the human head

>>143570709
The first guy obviously wasn't trying to say the nip girl is Italian.

>>143570836
Yeah, I know. I wasn't implying the right choice was to use nothing at all; there are other ways to create a grammatical list without that comma.

>>143571086
>The first guy obviously wasn't trying to say the nip girl is Italian.
He knows that.

>>143570674
>you would approach the point where you could live there
>implying you need to know Japanese to live in Japan

is doing RTK, core, and Tae Kim at the same time reasonable?

>>143571032
すまん、スマホで撮った。

Where's the best place to download kanji grid paper and hiragana practice sheets?

>>143571730
no, drop rtk

>>143571803
ms paint

>>143571823

Then is remembering each individual kanji reasonable?

>>143571730
Just watch anime

>>143571538
please explain how you would obtain a long-term visa without knowing japanese

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>>143571731
ええぇ？何言ってた？ やり直して！！

>live in Japan
>wife is 100% Japanese
>get to speak and study Japanese every day with native speakers
Feels good to live the dream.

>>143571887
asking politely in english

>>143571730
no, drop tae kim

>>143571981
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYziEoHDgag

>>143571887
Marry a Japanese person. You don't have to know ANY Japanese at all to apply for permanent residency, so long as you have a spouse who is a Japanese national.

All you have to do is prove that you're not some kind of criminal and that you won't be some kind of criminal in the future. That's about it.

>>143572173
Literally THAT easy

where can i find vn's if they aren't on nyaa

>>143572262
rutracker

>>143572262
what vn

>>143572292
うみねこのなく頃に

>>143571731
You don't need to apologize you just need to realize that literally nobody is going to read sideways pictures

>>143572262
I guarantee it is on nyaa. You just have to not be a retard and use the following two simple rules:

-Search for the current japanese title
-search on sukebei if and only if there is porn in the vn

>>143572262
Amazon

>>143572173
spouse visas have time limits and you would not get approved for citizenship if you didn't have capital or income

>>143572313
it is on nyaa.

having no seeders is a different issue though.

>>143572530
False. Only one spouse needs capital or income. If you marry into a Japanese national who is financially stable and can support both parties, the person applying for citizenship needs no source of income of their own.

Do you really think that a traditionalist country like Japan would require a housewife applying for citizenship to have a job if her husband already has one?

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Good thing I watched enough anime to know what this actually means.

>>143572772
Right, so all you've got to do is marry a well-off Japanese woman that speaks English well enough to communicate with you, who can't speak her native tongue, has no job, and no wealth to speak of. Just that easy.

>>143573224
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1467434874841.webm

>>143573224
anon core defines it correctly :^)

>>143573305
If only I could migrate all my progress though.

>>143573359
you could just fix the definition and copy the example sentence if you don't use the audio

>>143570674

This is actually good advice, thanks. I'll take it to heart. I'm gonna set up a ~500 kanji program for him and after he learns kana and babby vocab then set him up with tae kim, JTMW, genki, and DOJG to fuck around with and learn from at his leisure. Maybe even wanikani too or at least the anki WK deck since many "normies" seem to like it.

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>>143570674
>and you will eventually have to live in japan if you want to become truly fluent.

>>143573376
I do use the audio, though what I meant was, replaceing the cards I've yet to see with their Anon Core equivalents (without adding all the ones I've already seen in 6k), and keep the ones I've seen from 6k.

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To the guy who posts relevant (and irrelevant) /wsg/ webms now and then: I love you.

>>143573637
https://u.pomf.is/epinoe.webm
Not him though

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>>143573637
<3
i try to keep them as relevant to japanese as possible

Does anyone know anything about the relation between various on readings (kan-on, go-on, whatever-on)? For example, I know a lot of kanji with an on reading of せい also have an alternate on reading of じょう and I doubt that's a coincidence.

>>143571887
Like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2FGgYp6mdk

>>143564990
I'm learning the jouyou not even bothering about the reading, just trying to make the meaning of each kanji stick. I'll focus on reading when I start the jokugo vocab.

How do you improve production, read more?