Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1586

1st for you should be learning chinese instead

>>143320020
その参考は、発音だけの参考だとおもうよ
ウィキペディアによると、そのページの説には経典上の根拠がない。私は経典を読んだことないし、正しいかどうかわからないが、ウィキ記事にのっている下の経典の抜粋を見ると「私が一番尊い」としか解釈できないともう。

書くうちに先のスレがなくなった
せっかく書いてたから、ここで投稿した
無視しても良い

Anywhere I can watch Japanese tv on my phone without a laggy stream. Jjwilson sucks

>>143321122
no

I spent over 10 minutes trying to decipher some kanji in a sentence I was reading until I eventually realized it was a character's name. I might be legitimately retarded

Is Romaji that's the word for anglicized Japanese, right? becoming more prevalent in Japan?

>>143321090
Too lazy to write in Jap

Since many sites all seem to agree with the description of that reference, it has at least some trustworthiness. Also, that webpage is on a college's website, while wikipedia is just wikipedia.

The fact that there isn't hard evidence for it doesn't mean it is wrong. Wikipedia doesn't state that there is hard evidence for the other side either. I wouldn't expect hard evidence, but rather just a knowledgeable interpretation based on how the language is used at the time.

This isn't to say that that reference is right, but when wikipedia conflicts with its own references it's time to stop trusting that wikipedia page.

The reference after it:

>この消息をふまえて、後世の人々が伝説的に、「天上天下唯我独尊」と、人間の尊厳を謳いあげたのです。
>「右手は天を指し、左手は地を指し、七歩周行、四方を目顧し」とは、宇宙、空間への拡がりです。天上天下を具体的に説明したのです。天地いっぱい、宇宙いっぱいということです。「唯我独尊」とは、お山の大将、おれ一人といった思い上がりではありません。

>唯我の我・は、個人的な私の我ではなく、全体的な唯一絶対の我です。天地いっぱい、宇宙いっぱいの自分のことです

says the same thing. And the third reachable reference is a missing page. So basically the only two online references say that.

Again, I'm not saying it's necessarily correct, but I wouldn't take wikipedias statement that "there's no hard evidence" to mean that the other side is correct when no available references support the other side.

>>143321297
no

>>143321324
Are you sure?

>>143321353
i'm sure

>>143321090
「発音」のかわりに「読み方」
最後の「もう」は、「おもう」のタイポ

日本語ってつらいよな。

>>143321256
Happened to me as well, same with places. You get used to it and can tell names and regular words apart after some time I heard ;_;

How do I get good at Choukai? I always get the lowest score on this section ;_;

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>>143321312
正論

>>143320930

hey guys question when it comes to learning a language should i listen to music ?

i mean i've heard different things by different people some say it's a distraction others say it's helpful

what do you do ?

>>143321503
watch more anime

>>143321518
When I learned German I tried to immerse myself as much as I could in the language, not even forcing myself to do it but rather out of interest. I'd listen to German music, watch Tageschau, watch German movies, play games in German, etc. It helped quite a bit. But there is really nothing like going to the country and having to interact in day-to-day conversation to really bolster your skills.

Sadly I haven't been to Germany in a long time and I've lost some of my German speaking and writing skill.

>>143321518
do you mean while studying the language?
i see no reason why not

it's undeniably a little bit of a distraction but if it makes you feel nice who cares
if it's japanese music all the better

>>143321518
Don't listen to music with intelligible vocals while doing flashcards. It thrashes most peoples'short term verbal memory.

Aside from that one exception, it doesn't matter either way.

>>143321312
Or actually I suppose wikipedia does list what it claims is evidence for the other side

>天上天下唯我為尊　三界皆苦吾当安之

But I can't understand that shit so it really would be nice if there was an actual reliable source talking about it

hey guys rate my understanding of japanese from watching subbed anime for 8 years
1) urusai - shut up
2) itadakimasu - thanks for the meal
3) ohayo - what's up
4) onto - really
5) demo - but
how am i doing?

>>143321753
quote from Buddhist

>>143321857
>doesn't know that Okasa means "old bitch"
work harder anon

>>143321878
doesn't okasan mean grandma? i think i remember that one

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Reminder to do your reps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGNuJt1K45A

Also reminder that studying Kanji can be fun is very useful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_h-CRdfBYI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjjBkF-z6Vk

>>143321920
Fuck posted it without finishing:

Can be fun and although not necessary is very useful when trying to distinguish very similar ones in unknown words.

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>>143321920

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>start core after studying Genki vocab for three months
>two weeks of words I don't know
>suddenly all 一日、一つ、円、青、etc

I-is this good or bad...?

>>143321518
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvE8rk2dlIY
めっちゃいいやで
>どこの誰でもねお前がいる、俺の横にはいつもお前がいる
>どんなときも離れてても、始末の悪い、こんな俺にも
>寂しさを俺は知ってる、でも挫くね横にゃお前がいる
一服休憩のときにミュージックを聴くことはいい考えって思うぞ。勉強したら集中のために全部の騒ぎをミュートにしたほうがいいな

>>143321857
>onto
dostedt?

>>143321753
yes, that is what i was referring to in my nihongo post, but admittedly there are no sources listed under that in the wiki article
it does explain what it means though, sounds believable, though i'm not an expert on buddhist scripture

newfag here

just wondering what's a good grammar guide to start with ?

>>143321857
>itadakimasu - thanks for the meal
>not "rub a dub dub, thanks for the grub"
8 more years til you're ready

>>143322170
Tae Kim.

>>143322170
OP

>>143322170
Classical Japanese: A Grammar by Haruo Shirane

>>143322000
what core deck are you using

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>Not doing 80 new cards a day
What's your excuse?

>>143322360
I don't wanna burn out

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>>143322360
wanting to actually learn japanese

imagine if you had spent those 160 minutes reading instead

>>143322395
The "not wanting to burn out" excuse is so dumb. If you find the number of cards is doing is too high and you can't cope, you're not going to go "AH I'M ALL BURNED OUT BETTER GIVE UP AND KILL MYSELF", you'd just reduce the number of cards to a level you can cope with like a sane human being.

>>143322396
I read some nice ayano puns earlier really got my rocks off

>>143322462
any normal person is going to burn out at 80 new cards a day unless they're on amphetamines

not wanting to burn out is a perfectly reasonable excuse because going down to a level they can cope with will be, on average, significantly lower than 80

>>143322396
Why read when you can just listen to anime?

>>143322639
>normal person
The average metric for reasonable study is like half an hour a day. 2 hours a day is not that difficult.

>>143322396
>not doing both
I mined these words from watching TV, reading and writing with people on LINE actually. You don't mine I guess.
Found some words with are actually not in Jisho or they go under something other
>詐欺る the noun as a Verb
>ニーズ shitcountries
>早稲田 university
>エスカレーター式 money school

>>143321911
That one is obaasan
Okasan means milf

美人のお尻食べたいです
お前は女であれば、お前のお尻を食べさせて下さい
お願いします

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What compelling content are you currently engaging in?

>>143322781
The word "milf" is an oxymoron.

>>143322721
20-30 is the average

80 is up to 4 times that

relearn will be horribly high

sounds fucking awful


I'd rather just do 30 a day for 45 minutes and then spend the rest of my time reading

>>143322745
>you can't mine without wasting hours a day on anki

And I'm not sure what you're trying to prove by bragging about learning the name of the most famous private college in japan

>>143322823
80 words over 2 and a half hours gives you lots of time to write down words multiple times, mull it over, and really commit a word before clicking next. It's not that unreasonable if you commit to it and your short term goal is exclusively to up your vocab.

>>143322823
You didn't even try it. Why not step out of the comfort zone once and put effort into something?
>I will burn out
Nice argument. Saying it it not possible is really just an excuse for not trying.
>>143322888
I said it's not listed in Jisho under this

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>>143322194

>>143322789
男だけど女装に女ことばで満足できれば
食べてもよろしくてよ

>>143322796
naito roberu

>>143322935
>I said it's not listed in Jisho under this
And what point are you trying to make with that?

>>143322935
>>143322906
two and a half hours in anki a day is not how I want to spend my time

I'll take 45 minutes + reading in spare time

maybe if I was neet I would think differently

他の大学生がここにいるですか？
どの大学は通いますか？
俺は、スティーベンス工科大学をかよいます
応用物理学と電気工学を勉強してます。

>>143322955
>king me
毎回

>>143323009
No point, I actually just wanted to post. I missed a linebreak actually. I didn't intend to connect the two thoughts.
I could ask you why you say doing Anki is a waste of time
>you can't mine without wasting hours a day on anki
You can't learn Japanese without learning words

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I gave up ten months ago and have to start from scratch. Please don't give up.

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>>143323172
>you can't learn words without wasting hours a day on anki

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>>143323167
俺も

>>143323255
>I don't know what to say
>I just post a gif

>>143322360
I don't have that time.

>>143323075
neet here

two and a half hours in anki isn't how I want to spend my time, but the disability that allows me to be neet gives me the world's worst memory

I fare at 65% retention and 200-300 reps per day taking one hour minimum due to all the lapses

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>tfw newfag
>just found this shit
>mfw

fuck i'm so interested but so overwhelmed

>>143323172
I wasn't the original poster. Anki isn't a waste of time, but doing that much anki is a waste unless you're studying japanese all day.

Japanese isn't about memorizing a dictionary. Anki is a supplement, not the main tool.

>>143323302
My mistake was diving right into vocab without getting the kana down. I tried doing Remembering the Kana, but nothing would stick, and got frustrated and stopped while still going on with the vocab.
Google a kana deck for Anki, start from there.

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>>143323302
Just give up now

>>143323306
>but doing that much anki is a waste unless you're studying japanese all day
This is true and should actually be put in the OP. Many people here do only Anki which is a waste.

Different people have different learning methods no point in getting elitist about your anki habits

Speaking of which I do more flashcards than anyone here. Someone come jack me off

>>143323294
in some cases a picture can speak over one billion words but in that one i think it's pretty clear what it speaks
the stipulation that anki is the stairway to becoming a chou nipongo meishu is regrettably incorrect

>>143323376

no u

　―――『真珠邸之事』―――
　―――明治一九年三月九日発行、「東京新誌」第四一三号、「当世外知博士」の戯文より―――
扨もこの度口説述べまするは明治の御代に御出ましなる山中竜宮譚。夜目、遠目、傘の内にても、まずは御耳を拝借々々
阿波讃岐土佐の三国端境の山森林は古来魔処と言い慣わされて久しきなれど、道も通えば人も通う
もとより土佐から瀬戸海へと向かうには、峠を越える他なし
さりながら難所、危処なる道には相違なく、迷う者の絶えた験しなし。恙無く峠を越ゆを得る段で、旅人は皆一様に汗を拭うとの由
さて近来、かくなる峠道を往来せし人々の耳目を驚かすは、この上古よりの大森林中に竜宮が如き西洋邸宅現出せるがためなり
そは白壁に梁木、柱を配して重厚な一大西洋館、英国はルネッサンス末期にて一世を風靡せしチュゥダア式の邸宅と見たり
神代の昔から生い立ち並ばんかの巨木の間に間に忽然と現る西洋館を目の当たりにせし者、我は山中異界に迷いこんだならんと疑うもむべなるかな
なれど麓の村々の物に通じたる古老の曰く、あれなるは真珠邸―――と
曼陀羅峠一円の大分限、那越弥十郎の建造に係るものにして、いざその由来を説かん
先に弥十郎は、開化に於いて先代宗正が当家に招聘せし独逸軍医メンゲルスハイムの薫陶を受け、英明なる西洋思想の土壌に育つ
然るのち独逸人建築設計士シュライエルマッヘルを招き、老朽著しき旧那越屋敷の全面的改築に着手せり―――

>>143323521
I already did, it's your turn now

>>143323444
それ何の番組ですか、兄貴よ

>>143323557
I spend 4 hours on anki everyday, why can't I understand this yet?

>>143323445
>elitist
Overrated meme eop esl underrated meta buzzword

>>143323571

then it begs the question as to why you're here ?

>>143323650
>esl trying to use le literary style
lol

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>>143323650
I wonder why

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>>143323617

>>143323557
This actually feels like the right difficulty to get into old japanese

Feels about as hard to me now as when I first read meme-hard VNs

What methods are working for you on the road to learning moon, /djt/?

>>143323707
Meiji era Japanese is not old Japanese, at least not according to the traditional meaning of the term.

>>143323738
I watch anime raw all day
As long as I stick to easy anime it feels like I actually know japanese

>>143323749
Well old is an English term it doesn't necessarily have to mean 古文

I'm pretty sure any prewar can be 古典 but really that's beside the point I just mean it has enough old grammar patters to be readable but difficult, and if you read a bunch of that level stuff it would probably get fairly easy to go back another 100 years

>>143323632
But I do EIGHTY new cards everyday, what's your EXCUSE for not following my study plan?

>>143323738
Anki and writing down shit that doesn't stick. And kana, like I should have done from the start. Forgive me, I have sinned.

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>>143323591

>>143323802
>if you read a bunch of that level stuff it would probably get fairly easy to go back another 100 years

Eh, I would disagree with that. I can read the text posted above and get about 90% of it without help from rikai or whatever but as someone with experience studying it, actual heian/muromachi/sengoku period 古文 is a real bitch. It's different enough from modern Japanese to be called an entirely different language. It's kind of like saying Shakespeare can ease you into reading old English, it just doesn't work that way.

>>143323805
Seems pretty hard. I just stick to 40. Good luck /a/non

>>143323805
I do 100 elitist underrated non buzzword libertarian cards and I'm not an ESL or an EOP by any stretch of the imagination I would even say that I'm an underrated elitist

>>143323947
Dude no shit heian will be hard that's like a 400 year jump you gotta go in smaller steps

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>>143323738
毎日読むのやら書くのやらやることがある。この文章にはたくさん間違うがあるね。まったく・・

How did you guys develop your routine. I'm off and on can't seem to stick with it unless I take a class that's frequent during the week.

>>143324159
Just do it. Set is as a goal to finish Anki before 6pm for example and finish it at this time. Do it every day and after some weeks its a routine

>>143324159
I set aside some time every day for this, usually after I've come home from work. Then I just keep at it. It wont be instant but after some time, usually a couple of weeks, the habit sets in.

>>143324159
I actually wanted to learn Japanese, unlike you, so I did it every day. You're probably just looking for validation by hopping on the latest "learn Japanese" meme train so you were never going to succeed to begin with.

>>143323738
Watching subbed anime works pretty well

Why does it smell extra memey in here today

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someday i'll be able to read without mining vocab
someday
please god
someday

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>>143324360
thank god its not just me

>>143324159
There's no routine. I just tell myself that I'll go through my anki decks every day regardless of what happens.

>>143324430
even if theres a 火?

>>143324452
Yes, even on tuesday

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>>143324452
>he thinks a fire can stop you from using your phone to complete your reps

>>143324430
What if I sucked your dick?

>>143324159
I just read every day

考えすぎないで

>>143324541
Do you do flashcards? it'd be really hard for me to remember words without anki

>>143324604
no flashcards aren't my style
i just let the words seep into my 脳

>>143324539
As long as you use phrases like 気持ちいい and 中出しの喜び while sucking my dick, it's all good.

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diagonal strokes are hard

>>143324900
Congratulations, you now know Japanese.

>>143323925
why are the raws for this hardsubbed in chinese

diddle me

>>143323695
This looks nice, should I read it? Anyone here read it to completion?

>>143324413
I love how infographics like this purposely leave out information to make the particular culture seem more mysterious or superstitious lmao

>>143324999
Use the MomoSubs, they have soft-subs in Japanese.

>>143323557
I think that there are few people who can read this smoothly.
これは日本人でもスラスラ読める人は少ないと思う
Such phrases aren't used by daily life but. If you would like to become a teacher of history or Japanese, it's different.
日常生活でこんな文は使うことないし歴史か国語の先生にでもなりたいなら別だけど
You should not study hard to read this. It's just a waste of time.
これを必死に読もうと勉強するべきじゃないよ　時間の無駄

>>143325100
英語お上手ですね

>>143325097
they don't have episodes 12-26 yet though

guess i'll trickle the first eleven out so the rest are up by the time i'm ready to see them

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>>143325060
Might be okay if it wasn't ruined by disgusting elf girls

>>143323557
Who the fuck cares about some gay german doctor lmao

>>143325137
Really? I’m very happy even if that’s only flattery.
本当に？お世辞でもすごくうれしいです

I study English. But I'm still super beginner now.
私は今英語の勉強をしてますが、まだ超初心者です。

>>143323695
I was convinced it's Chinese until I saw の
Fuck me, whatever the fuck is even happening here

Anyone have any good Japanese puns

>>143325428
「日本語お上手ですね」は日本語を勉強している人が日本人によく言われるフレーズのひとつなのでちょってふざけて言ったけど本当に超初心者なら上手だと思います。このスレの超初心者に比べれば大違いですね。

>>143325428
Someone get this autist outta here

>>143325163
Given how the TV anime starts airing in 5 days you might be better off waiting and watching it in a reasonable resolution. Although I'm not sure how different they'll be.

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>>143325428
もしかしてお前は俺に黄昏のシンセミアを勧めた日本人か？
人違いならごめん
まだ読み始めたばかりだけど、すごく面白いよ
翔子ちゃんはすっごく可愛いなー

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>希望の先に待つ死を回避するために魔獣を利用する手も。。。あっていいのかも
From this I got "Evade the death that awaits ahead of hope" but I'm lost at the 利用する手も. What function does 手 has there, something like "effort"?

Also the あっていいかも which I assume is あってもいいかもしれない, how does it fit in there?

>>143325780
”お上手ですね”のニュアンスまで理解してるのは凄いですね。ネイティブみたい。

>>143325100
>Such phrases aren't used by daily life but. If you would like to become a teacher of history or Japanese, it's different.
Forgive me for bothering you here. It's totally okay to entirely remove the sentence break after "but" here, matching the japanese.

>Such phrases aren't used in daily life but if you would like to become a teacher of history or Japanese it's different.

I removed the comma near the end there because removing the sentence break made it break an extremely complicated ambiguity thing. Basically, having two clauses before the comma usually means that both clauses before the comma apply to the clause after the comma. However, the clause after the comma is a dependent clause tied only to the "if" of the second clause before the comma, so the two rules contradict eachother.

Most writers would reinsert commas for to make the sentence more readable, but it's not technically necessary.

>Such phrases aren't used in daily life, but if you would like to become a teacher of history or Japanese, it's different.

日本語は出来ないけど全く珍しいことがあるな

English punctuation rules are a pile of shit that you won't fully learn until you read good English writing for at least seven years. Sentence structure, tone of voice, urgency, writing style, and dialect all affect it, too.

わからない言葉は少なくてもまたは多くても気にしないで and I can't learn japanese because I spend too much time on bad posts like this one.

>>143326181
Kyoko explains in the next panel that Homura let her heart be eaten by 魔獣 to avoid her soul being erased. She 利用するed the 魔獣 which can be referred to as a 手 and Mami is wondering if it's あっていい

>>143326056
違うｗ　読むだけじゃなくて話すのもうまいですね。
とても自然な感じです。

>>143326240
あらお上手

>>143326432
ジョーズはいい映画だな
でもこの話には関係ないだろう？

>>143326181
you sound like you're confusing yourself with 先, it most closely means "before" in this context
though technically "ahead" also means "before" in english

魔獣を利用する手→ a way to utilize a beast
手 means method, trick, technique here

>>143326471
ボケるにはもっと信憑性のあるボケにしてほしいもんだなぶっちゃけ

>>143326533
ボケもん:DDDDDDD

>>143326385
そうか
もう一度あいつに話したかったから残念
お世辞ありがとうね～

>>143320960
Already know mandarin and can converse with a standard equalling locals. Thought japanese would be the next step.

>>143326289
I expected it. I thought that I mistake how to use "but".
I don't understand your explanation completely, but I understood roughly. Thanks.
It is very useful for me that you point out my mistake.

>>143326375
>Homura let her heart be eaten by 魔獣 to avoid her soul being erased.
Erased by the 円環の理. And that あって most likely is ある, right?

>>143326530
Expected as much from the 手, thanks anons.

>>143327264
英語がうまくなりたいならいくらへたクソポストを書いても無理だ
いっぱいのエロゲを英語で読んだ方がいい

>>143326810
お世辞じゃないよｗ　もし会話するのと同じぐらい早さで文を作れたのなら、
日本に何年か住んでるような上手さですよ　とても自然です。

日本に、俺はなる！

>>143327475
日本人に

You can't become a country.

>>143327475
すでになってるんじゃない？

>>143327264
Basically, english prefers to put conjunctions after punctuation, while japanese prefers to put conjunctions before punctuation. Ending sentences on conjunctions is very rare. However, if the sentence is structured appropriately, both languages can drop punctuation inside a sentence.

This leads to a lot of complications in english grammar, because english grammar always goes both left and right. That's why combining the sentences made me remove the original comma, then add back commas.

Just want to make sure I don't put too much emphasis on that comma.

>>143327583
also if you want to be a true leet eigo speaker you can just drop any semblance of proper punctuation and capitalization altogether and not give a fuck

>>143327636
you can do that once you really understand how the structure of complicated english phrasal clause relationship works and don't have to worry about anything because your brain literally subconsciously constructs the correct valid string of relationships between words because you're too fucking literate for life

unfortunately runon sentences are sometimes hard to read

この人　→　>>143327583　が言ってることを聞かない方がいいですよ。
彼はESLなので、英語力は低いです。

>>143327658
>unfortunately runon sentences are sometimes hard to read

few people know how to use this little bastard properly; its a shame really
i also never understood 'dont end a sentence with a preposition' so what the fuck if i do?

>>143327713
>ESL
ではないけど

>>143327399
Really?

>いっぱいのエロゲを英語で読んだ方がいい
エロゲをいっぱい英語で読んだ方がいい
or
英語のエロゲをいっぱい読んだ方がいい
の方が自然です。意味は十分伝わりますが。

>>143327733
when they say 'dont end a sentence with a preposition' they mean 'i'm an ESL that learned academic english grammar based on my native language's ruleset where prepositions are bound structures and particles don't exist'

the kinds of prepositions you'd end english sentences on are usually verbal particles instead

i want to hug all the ESL anons and suck their cute little dicks

>>143327713
he's not ESL, he's intentionally structuring his sentences funny so that they don't have long dependency distance, so the other guy can read them more easily
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discontinuity_(linguistics)#Dependency-based_projectivity

I've been following the guide but want to practice me speaking, so does anyone here have the book for "Shadowing: Lets Speak Japanese"?

>>143327733
The so-called rule about not ending sentences with prepositions was made up by a bunch of stuck up nobles hundreds of years ago that thought you were low-class if you didn't speak English like Latin. It's not a real rule and doesn't matter.

>>143327846
might in the COR senpai

>>143327550
俺の野望がそれほ大きいってことさ
お前の平凡の知能の及ぶところの
遥かの上に俺は立ってるんだよ

>>143327811
i've spoken english my whole life and reading this shit makes me feel like an ESL fuck this i'm putting all my stock in japanese

>>143327926
want my stash of english-language japanese linguistics monographs?

>>143327876
How about you practice using particles anon?
You can't just use の for everything you know.

>>143327868

can't find it in there :(

>>143327958
あののののののいでいいのにのをかくのだ

>>143327862
same w/r/t splitting prepositions and singular they, among other things

>>143327958
how bout you practice using japanese?

but really it's not like i proofread my posts so shit like that happens. Other than 平凡の I think it's fine

>>143327747
直してくれてありがとう、先輩
そうだよ、僕はエロゲしか読んでないけど日本語をできるようになった
でも英語で書いたエロゲはクソゲばかりかもしらない

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>>143327944
>僕はエロゲしか読んでないけど日本語をできるようになった

>>143327876
>俺の野望がそれほ大きいってことさ
<俺の野望がそれほど大きいってことさ

>お前の平凡の知能の及ぶところの
<お前の平凡な知能の及ぶところの

>遥かの上に俺は立ってるんだよ
<遥か上に俺は立ってるんだよ

Adjective is difficult.

>>143328122
meant for
>>143328036

>>143328025
>Second sentence makes no fucking sense.
>ほど
平凡な
>遥かに

>>143328168
You shouldn't give advice when you don't know japanese anon

>>143328137
>Adjective is difficult.
<Adjectives are difficult.

>>143328240
Riight,I do though Butthurt much?
どうせ証明しろとか言うでしょうから、こうして適当な文章書いておくわ。

>>143328278
If you couldn't understand the second sentence you don't know japanese. I mean congrats on pointing out a couple typos though

>>143328273
Thanks. I'll be more careful.

>>143328278
if you knew more than that you'd give adequate advice
or does
～及ぶところの遥かに上に俺は立ってる
make sense to you

>>143328240
>平凡の
You're obviously the one who doesn't know basic japanese.

>>143328137
サンキュー
>遥か上に俺は立ってるんだよ
なるほど
「遥かの上」にあんまり自信は持っていなかったけど
語呂がいいし正解だったら面白いから敢えてつかったけどやっぱりダメだったんだね

>>143328557
Dude I literally pointed that out as something that was wrong immediately in this post >>143328025 (where I missed the こそ because I was only looking at the second sentence) so I don't know why you're focusing on that.

>>143328611
>こそ
ほど rather. You know, the simple typo one.

Also there's a lot of の・n

>>143328627
.>Also there's a lot of の・n

4chan why do you do this to me.

>>143328611
Just accept the fact that you need a lot more practice. There's not really any point in arguing about this.

>>143328664
he has actively already accepted that point
>There's not really any point in arguing about this.
you're the only one arguing about this
someone is accusing >>143328168 of not knowing japanese because a single character error caused something to make "no fucking sense", which is a totally rightful accusation

>>143328664
You clearly do too considering your recommendation of 遥かに上に

But yes, everyone here needs practice. That's kinda why we are here.

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>>143328699
we're here to shitpost not to practice buddy

>>143328954
I'm here to do a little bit of both though. Just mostly shitposting.

I think I do probably post more Japanese (in full sentences) than anyone else in these threads though.

>>143328565
Yes.

正確な使い方ではありませんが、外国人ならば全く問題ありません。
日本人はネイティブではない人の間違いに対して凄く優しいです。
完璧ではないですが、（読み書きは）日本で十分通用します！
To speak actually may be a little more difficult.

>>143329014
それほど気にしてないよ
間違えるのはよくあることです
母語の英語に書いてる時でも不自然な文、間違った綴りなどが珍しくないです
スピーキングの方が難しいのは事実ですけどね
ネットで会った人とスカイプする性格じゃないし
リアルの日本人の友達と話してるときを除いてスピーキングの練習ができませんからね

>>143329014
二十年以上俺の国に住んでるけどいつも文法の誤りをする人がいる
俺はそのクズみたいになりたくないから外国人ならば全く問題ありませんって言われても納得できないよ

>>143329014
>To speak actually may be a little more difficult.
actuallyの意味はあいまいなので、なにを伝えたいのかよくわからない
「実際に話す」と言いたいなら「To actually　speak」のほうがいいとおもう

>>143329529
i think he would've said something like

to speak, actually, might be a little more difficult

just word order and word choice problems

>there was a time when I thought 死なれる would never be used

>>143329549
it's just the most ambiguous possible word order is the problem
i hope he hasn't heard of the split infinitive

>>143329649
Split infinite isn't hard to just understand.

>>143329701
infinitive*
kill me

Anyways, the reason is, as linguists now think, English has infinitival phrases instead of infinitival verb forms. Guess what japanese does sometimes?

>>143329616
子供に死なれる
etc.

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おはようおにいちゃん

ねっちゅうしょうにきをつけてね

>>143329701
>>143329725
well the reason i mentioned it is there have been prescriptive rules against using it
doesn't really happen anymore but i wouldn't put it past the japanese education system, looking at their usual teaching materials for english

>>143329801
no instead they teach ~ing as continuing present tense instead of a participle/noun

>>143329178
それは文化の違いですね。日本では外国人の間違いには凄く優しいです。
だからその間違いを指摘し、正しい使い方を教えてくれないことが多いです。

>>143329529
Thanks. That's right.

>>143329549
I think that you correct my fuckin English is not good for DJT.
So I will become quiet. I will make more studies.

>>143329869
no we love you
行かないで

>>143329869
>I think that you correct my fuckin English is not good for DJT.
>So I will become quiet. I will make more studies.
i didn't mean to offend. you're perfectly understandable

>>143329869
日本人をここに投稿してもらえるというのならお安いご用

>>143329898
>you're perfectly understandable
Hello ESL

>>143330081
hello child
understandable != fluent

>>143329869
makeは「作る」だけの意味を持つ。「する」の意味は持たない。
が、「do a study」と「make a study」はどんなに不自然でも、その意味はひとつのもので、ただ「to study」という動詞を使ったほうがいいとおもう。

>>143330081
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>143330081
I'd be much more inclined to think you're ESL if you can't understand broken English.

>>143330081
Please tell me you are just shitposting and not really this stupid

>>143330185
this

毎日神々死御座居

>>143330192
It's the guy who already posted in this thread that his hobby is accusing native English speakers of being ESLs

Anyone else speak better when drunk? I feel like I think too much when writing/speaking in Jap and that goes away after a few shots.

>>143330239
我輩死毎晩

>>143330245
Nah, I'm not that guy

>時計
Why do I find this word so fucking hard.

Thinking about it, it's literally just a time measure, but every time I come to it I read it as じけい like a fucking retard.

>>143330251
I wouldn't know because I don't do drugs

>>143330265
死際

>>143330251
i dont know, i really dont think ingesting ethanol is a good idea, so i don't do it

>>143330272
Learn similar words like 目覚まし時計　ａｎｄ　腕時計

>>143330279
>>143330290
You should try it sometime, it's a lot of fun.

>>143330251
Not really, I end up with a half assed kansai dialect.

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>>143330300
なんでとけいがどけいになっちゃうのかは

にほんじんでもよくわからないよ

Is desustorage down permanently? ;_;

>>143330279
>>143330290
I think there's some study on how abstaining from alcohol consumption and being a virgin into your 20's is strongly related...

>>143330338
普通の連濁ではないのか

>>143330327
なんでやねん

>>143330338
Can you at least use trips so I can filter you out? You are close to being on the same level as bear and lelouch
>>143330399
You realize where you are, don't you?

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Help.

>>143330462
normal

>>143330318
did try it, tastes like shit because its poison, and made me feel sick because it is poisonous.

But i bet you can ingest more than i can, right buddy?

>>143330399
yeah i still have my vcard, im not ugly or fat, and id rather play video games and shitpost
also, my liver is still intact because i consider it a fucken ally

>>143330462
Get used to it, 2-300 reviews a day is pretty much nothing.

>>143330426
Less opportunities for having sex and getting to know people new in general.

>>143330462
Given what you're doing, expect to hit 500 cards unless you slow down right now.

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>>143330462
Do I win?

>>143330507
Not when you handwrite every single card.

>>143330532
I'm doing regular 20 new cards a day, but it seems I've hit my head and forgot how to learn this past week.

>>143330570
Holy shit, are you me from the future or have you set a hundred new cards per day?

>>143330662
>Not when you handwrite every single card.
Holy shit what the fuck are you doing

>>143330399
You'd have to be pretty retarded to need a study to figure that out

>>143330662
If 300 cards are taking you more than an hour, there's something seriously wrong with you, and it might be that you're wasting time on writing shit before you can even read.

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>>143330690
Studying!

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>>143330443
behold, the fabled, hardboiled anonymous user of 4chan
the most down-to-earth fundamental species of /a/ poster
his rugged pride and world-weary ways endear him to the common folk
as jaded as he ever may become, a thin veil of ever-present naivete serves but to further pique the curiosity of the observing many
will he post his filter list?
will he indignantly retort to yet another unfaltering shit-poster?
the suspense thrills

>>143330734
Nice ESL

>>143330734
turbo autism

>>143330733
jesus christ stop it
you're doing yourself no favors, just do your reviews

>Daily Japanese Thread
>most posts are people accusing other people of not being able to speak english

>>143330761
you'd need to be more than autistic to make the kinds of posts i do 相棒

>>143330768
It's a meme
>>143330786
>butthurt ESL

>>143330786
I know. It's sad.

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>>143330768
You see that -5d on >>143330462 ?
That day I rushed my reviews because I was running out of time and didn't write down the last half of my reviews.

And now it's raised my daily reviews by 50 in just 5 days.
Today was my first <80% overall score. I feel as if dekinai.

>>143330786
>thread related to language learning
>posts related to language learning
discombobulating

>>143330890
There's studying, and then there's wasting a ton of time for no reason. Even if you get 80%, you're saving a good hour or two off your study.

You shouldn't feel bad when you fail a card. All it means is you get to see it some more and can reinforce it even harder.

But hey, I've never dropped below 90% because I'm not a fucking retard like you, so maybe if you're that dumb you have to waste hours a day on Anki.

>>143330905
Just ignore the ESL. They probably can't follow with what's going on

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>>143330786
it's ironic

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賭かる

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>>143330402
はげに

つるがつくと

へんなことになったりするけどおにいちゃんだいじょうぶ？

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>>143330963
I'm currently at 89% on True Retention, and it takes about 40 minutes to review 150 cards (+20 new).

If you take "hours" to write a couple hundred kanji, guess who the retard is.

Can anyone recommend website that can offer introductory levels of learning japanese? I know someone who uses a website called memrise for languages as kind of a flash card thing, but I have no idea. I'm just an old-ish man who's not too great with computers. Is that Anki thing easy enough to use for someone who's kind of technologically retarded?

>>143331374
fuck off ESL

>>143331407

I don't quite understand you.

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>>143331434

>>143331305
>>I'm currently at 89% on True Retention, and it takes about 40 minutes to review 150 cards (+20 new).
I do 300 a day, including 25 new, and it takes me around 40 minutes with 94% true retention. Hours was just a vague estimate, but you're still going at half my speed which is a joke.

>>143331192
what did he mean by this

>>143331374
Tae Kim, check the guide for the link

>>143331693
Can you maybe recommend me a website?

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劫火

why is ESL used as insult?

>>143331715
But I just did
Tae Kim made a website for studying Japanese. The link to it is in the guide >>143320930

>>143331796
Americans jealous that people with two or more languages already under their belt will have an infinitely easier time learning another.

>>143331796
americlaps

>>143331937
>Euros actually think that knowing 2 closely related languages will help them
If anything, it probably makes it harder. You'll be thinking back to when you were a kid, and how it was so easy to learn a second language, and comparing it to a much harder one. Meanwhile English natives don't have the issue of comparison.

Now you should tell me about how it's slightly easier for you to pronounce Japanese as if that justifies wasting years of your life on a meaningless native language.

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>>143331775
おっくうなの？

>>143331796
Because we actually tend to be better at English with embarrassing frequency and Americans/Britbongs are salty.

>>143331796
Retards talk in broken English, people with bad English talk in broken English. Therefore ESLs often sound like retards and are called such.
Pretty fucking obvious, you should be able to figure stuff that out on your own mate

>>143331981
>You'll be thinking back to when you were a kid, and how it was so easy to learn a second language
Did you grow up bilingually?

>>143331981
You keep telling yourself that. The fact is that a language (and its grammar) restricts your way of thinking. You will be attempting to translate the untranslatable, looking for equivalents that don't really exist. We can transcend that and adapt to new ways of thinking so much faster.
Also:
>2 languages
Fucking casuals.

>>143321920
Why does the sub say "anki" when she clearly said black technology?

Are they somehow related?

>>143331981
>meaningless native language

Care to explain why Japanese would be any less meaningless than whatever native language people here might speak?

>>143332101
I didn't realise your euro language also had a completely different grammar structure despite being derived from the same root- oh wait, it doesn't and you have no more experience.

Any examination into a bilingual/polyglot vs a native at learning a new unrelated language is inherently flawed, as someone who has already learnt more than one language is obviously more predisposed to learning others and will probably be better at sticking with it.

I can totally understand that knowing Swiss is going to give you a big advantage in German, but I don't see how knowing either would give you an advantage in Japanese. If you already know Chinese, or English, or maybe Korean, then sure, but anything else is unrelated.

>>143332209
Where do you think you are?

>>143331981
>You'll be thinking back to when you were a kid, and how it was so easy to learn a second language,
That's not how it works. Do you remember learning your native language? It's just natural and you don't really think about how easy or hard it was.

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>>143332242
>I can totally understand that knowing Swiss is going to give you a big advantage in German

>>143332280
Did you not see the word "second"? I'm not talking about people who were taught 2 from birth, which isn't the norm in almost any country, I'm talking about Euros who learned English as children and teenagers.

>>143332284
What are you bitching about, the use of Swiss to refer to Swiss German or are you pretending the vocabulary is too distinct to make an impact?

DET

>>143332242
>I didn't realise your euro language also had a completely different grammar structure despite being derived from the same root- oh wait, it doesn't and you have no more experience.

Holy shit, you're clueless, aren't you? Tell me how Hungarian has the same (or even similar) grammar structure to English. I'll wait. Ironically, it's more similar to Japanese. Or Czech with its incredibly loose word order and numerous morphological phenomenons that don't even exist in English.

And you don't seem to understand, it's not that it'll necessarily give you an advantage in Japanese, it'll give you an advantage in language learning in general since your brain is a muscle and if you train it in a certain way, it'll respond with increased flexibility.

>>143332367
Er det?

>>143332242
why did you burst out so hard over a nonspecific post and turn it into some weirdly narrow argument about europeans

as an americlap who's also known russian from a young age (read: "someone with two or more langauges under their belt", as >>143331937 originally said) i can tell you from experience it's helped me plenty in picking up japanese

>lumping in english with chinese and korean
i'd like to hear the reasoning for this
learning materials?
it's about as far from the japanese language as you can get though

>>143332384
Er det ikke?

>>143332368
>phenomenons

haha dumb ESL

>>143332419
Tror det er det det er.

>>143332366
>>What are you bitching about, the use of Swiss to refer to Swiss German or are you pretending the vocabulary is too distinct to make an impact?
It's the same language /a/non and there's no Swiss-language btw
>>143332404
>>143332404
>it's about as far from the japanese language as you can get though
Obviously not him but the korean grammar is pretty similar to Japanese. Many Japanese and Koreans will tell you this, so if you google in Japanese you will find such threads if you dont believe me. Also Chinese has some of the same characters which is a plus obviously

>>143332242
Ignoring the fact that you're a retard and aren't going to listen to anything thrown your way,

Say you're a monolingual and you're trying to learn some new grammatical rules for a new language. You look for an equivalent to those rules in English but can't find it, so now you will have to work long and hard to fully grasp this completely new concept.

Meanwhile, a bilingual encountering the same set of rules might find an equivalent in one of their languages and instantly master that concept, allowing them to move on to the next aspect of the new language.

It's not rocket science.

>>143332465
i was referring to english being lumped in with those two
the advantages of chinese and korean are obvious but english not so much

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>>143321920
>1:28 on fmp clip
>wild imouto

2spoopy5me

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>>143332448
det, det er, er ikke altid det du tror det er.

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This elbow will never not look like an almost-nip slip.

>>143332404
>>i'd like to hear the reasoning for this
Did you miss the thousands of English loan words or something?

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>>143332563
Da er det vel ikke det da.

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>>143332632
Fuck, only saw it when i read your post.

>>143332368
>Or Czech with its incredibly loose word order and numerous morphological phenomenons that don't even exist in English.

Like?

>>143332646
>Da er det vel ikke det da.
なるほど~ なるほど~
咲わかわいいですね

>>143332762
可愛いでしょう、飼いたいぐらい

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>>143332818
私わタコになりたいです

>>143332968
タコスじゃないのそれ?

>>143331993
>Because we actually tend to be better at English
keep telling yourself that

>>143332755
A way more complex system of declensions (it affects nouns, adjectives, pronouns, and numerals), a way more gendered speech (you gender shows in your speech, this affects even verbs), a different way of expressing grammatical aspect, a drastically different (and way more complex) way of creating diminutives. In general, in Czech you change a structure of a word more often than you change a structure of a sentence.

suzuki toyota bonzai, naruto ramen dattebayo sumimasen desu subaru mitsubishi godzilla

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>>143332994
>タコス
wtf, i know their only single syllable terminal is ん but come on taco has no need of ス surely

>>143333084
Nah, it makes sense if you consider that they probably got it from the English pronunciation and not the Norwegian one.

>>143333057
sushi neko hokage?

>>143333038
Jo, to je všechno otrava. Ale ve vlastním jazyku si to člověk ani neuvědomuje.

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>>143333084

>>143333230

Shashimi BL ikou hamburger yamete aishite iru gomennasai iie matane oyasumi

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>>143333038
This is a good opportunity to talk about how much I hate languages with genders, although this is more for German since it's what I learned.

They're the worst things ever possibly conceived of. Every single noun has one, so you basically have to remember an extra piece of information for every noun in the language. Thousands of things to remember. Then whenever making a sentence, you have to adjust the verbs, adjectives and articles accordingly around every noun to fit whatever gender it is. Changing basically almost every word in the sentence, with a whole set of different grammar rules for each gender. Now with such a huge amount of effort invested in them, you'd think they'd serve some useful purpose? Nope. They don't contribute a single useful thing whatsoever. They don't add meaning to your sentence, they don't add flavour to your choice of words, they don't help distinguish between types of nouns, they do literally nothing of any benefit. People complain about aspects of Japanese or English all the time but there is nothing there so completely, utterly useless and meaningless as the concept of genders. I am just glad I can spend the rest of my life never exposed to such torture every again.

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>>143333299
そのタコがはしい

>>143333360
ほしい？
やらぬ

In the first volume of Anemoi, Shumon Yuu mentions the theory that 穢れ comes from 気枯れ.

How do you feel about this? Especially consider that traditional sources of 穢れ would also lead to 気枯れ.

>>143333337
Capitalization too. English has a ridiculous amount of homographs and does just fine without capitalization, German using it is like another kick in the dick. Even natives make capitalization mistakes all the time because of how complex some exceptions are.

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>>143333485
i feel like a comma would be easier

>>143332468
Following the conversation I'm pretty sure he understands that basic idea. What he seems to be saying is that only Korean or Chinese can help you with Japanese. I'm also an EOP so I have no idea but I think he might be wrong.

>>143333558
high quality horse semen is worth a lot

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>>143333726
You would know.

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>>143333762

So is this the Daily Japanese Thread or English Language General? Make up your minds, fags

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>>143333941

>>143333941
それがミステリだ

>>143333996
Deepest post of this shit uuhhh I mean't thread

>>143333996
This is not an ok please, stop immediately or we will call a police thank's to you!

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>>143333941
おっぱいスレッドじゃない

>>143333996
I'm not your fucking friend though

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>>143334161

In your experience, whats your retention % on mature cards and more importantly daily reviews per card added everyday? Trying to plan a bit.

>>143334342
98-100%

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>>143334342
100%

>>143334383
Fuck off back to /v/ with your manime garbage.

>>143334361
>>143334383
I'm more interested in how daily reviews per card added everyday decrease with retention increase.