Schwarzesmarken / Total Eclipse / Muv-Luv

Irisdina has the most punchable face ever.
Even as a kid she was pretty punchable.

>>143128459
At least you had the decency to spoiler it. The original poster unfortunately didn't. Not that it mattered to me cause I've only been to ML threads after reading everything myself back in 2012

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>>143128301
why didn't you protect that smile?

Repeatedly hitting Katia over the head with a newspaper!

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Hide your waifus, this is now a BATERs thread.

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>>143128813
you have no power here BATERs

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Who /NVA/ here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7CC7i6brEI

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>>143128813

Gretel is for pumping and dumping.

>>143129056
she ain't even worth a pumping.

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>>143128813
come at me bruh

>>143129145
What if it's violent hatesex that would leave her bruised and crying from all the pain?

>>143129239
that's almost acceptable almost

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>>143128729
We'll protect it. Not let it fall again.

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PACT PRIDE WORLDWIDE

All blondes are disgusting.

>>143130001
t.jealous Beato

>>143130053
But Beato doesn't hate Lise.

>>143130065
She hates Iris.
They had a catfight for Jurgen attention back in the day

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Even if she is a secondary, Gretel will always be the main heroine of my heart

>>143130245
>>143130222
Real hero.

>>143130173
Is this your collection?

>>143130245
Kinda grumpy there Axmann. Or just neutal sly.

How hard would you punch Katia?

>>143130615
>Is this your collection?
no

>>143130281
And a human bean

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>>143130777
so hard that her innards would come flying out of her ass.

like pic

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>>143129162
A interesting thing about older handbooks from the cold war or as late as 2001 is that pistols are mentioned to be pretty much everywhere then what they would actually be, the only place where a AKS-74U is mentioned is in the special forces or in the airborne forces (where it was first seen). Pistols were used by officers, RPG gunners, Vehicle crews like tankers or BTR crew etc. People who could not for reasons use a normal AK-74.

Now this changed in 1979 when the USSR invaded Afghanistan and the adoption of the AKS-74U some years before it. In the fields pistols proved themself (which they have done before and is a reason why the AKS-74U came to existence) to be rather inefficent for anything but close in self-defence with limited effectivness. This also was rather unacceptable since sometimes the mujahideen overran positions with large numbers. So the AKS-74U became widespread amongst soldiers since it was more effective then a pistol and more compact then a rifle but lacked the long range effectivness of a rifle but outpowerd a pistol. And the Soviet-afghan war went from 1979 to 1989. So it is really strange that "pistols" are common in manuals and handbooks regarding the soviet armys equipment instead of carbines.

In the BETA infested world, pistols would have been extremely rare amongst frontlines troops and even rear service troops would most likely not use it unless they are offficers or people who they really expect to not get into fighting that their life depend on. Tankers, RPG gunners, Vehicle crew members in general and helicopter crew members or anyone that could not carry a normal AK-74, AKS-74 would use the AKS-74U. TSF pilots would maybe not use it since the cockpit in a TSF is kinda roomy so there might be room for a AKS-74 or maybe a PKM. You can also throw a couple RPG-18/22 in since it would give a downed pilot a fighting chance to atleast take out one grappler that gets too close.

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>>143131047

Can Katia and Sumika procreate together?
They're the same species after all.

So maybe someone can answer me why someone is posting mini-me versions of screenshots that were ages ago?

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>>143131374
Because these threads are dead during daytime and have little to actually discuss.

TE days were better desu.

>>143131374
Shitposting to the max.

Also eating up the image space that could have been used for something better.

>>143131111
Dead general

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>>143131410
Well why don't you tell us about TE days? There's always hints or memories, or cryptic words, but no one actually talks about the TE days.

Someone or another has been asking how the waifu wars were then, since the oldies hinted that what we have now paled in comparison.

Why are both of Latrova's looks here so delicious?

>>143131422
That works I guess.

>>143131111
>Even quads wont revive /wgg/
;_;

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>>143131517
Stop shitposting please.

>>143131489
What happened?
I remember endless BMP dumps, but it's not like it was completely dead

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>>143131676
Really, why are you doing this?

Can't you just leave this thread if it bothers you so much?

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>>143131733
He is back for more. This is what our future looks like.

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>>143131475
>Well why don't you tell us about TE days?
>us
There's no real point in telling people who haven't been there. You'll just have to take my word when I say TE didn't reduce Muv Luv threads to prolonged life-support a month after the anime finished airing.

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>>143131763
May we survive. We have before, we will again.

>>143131139
Well unless you're saying one of them has a dick.

Super clits don't count.

>>143128995
So that's why they call her Mad Dog.

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>>143131994
Well to be fair, we've done okay post-anime too. Real good in fact. There's usually or often something new in at least most threads, and writing kept it alive another way too.

>tfw Mira died too young
;_;

>>143132088
>and writing kept it alive another way too.
that's a double edged blade.

>>143132005
>So that's why they call her Mad Dog.
Not the incident with the College sports team or the incident with the cadet?

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This thread shows exactly why Muv-Luv is shit. All waifu spamming, no actual plot discussion.
Not that you could discuss it really since its filled with /tumblr/-tier writing and edgy to compensate for its lack of characters or plot depth.

Anyone even considering buying the censored steam version should probably kill themselves.

>>143132829
Thanks for the free bump, anon.

>>143132889

No problem, I want to see how low this thread will go.

>>143132979
You're wasting your time. It'll save you around 24 hours to read through any thread on the archives to get an idea of what this thread will look like.

>>143132829
/V/ please, dont tell me you took the day shitposting serious.

>>143131994
TE also aired only a year after Alternative was translated, so you could still open a thread with nothing but window ahoge and get discussion thanks to people still slowly coming off VN high.

>>143131475
All you have to know about TE days is that this was back when SAO and IRC made frodoposting the hot new guaranteed replies on, so every thread was about why tanks are better than TSFs or why helicopters are better than TSFs or how they should have just put a nuke in a TSF.

>>143133555
>tanks are better than TSFs
That 120mm though.

Don't you need to keep your tanks in "Get raped by the BETA: The Game"?

>>143128729
Because whores like her and Irisdina don't deserve it.

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>>143131733
Implying you can stop some like him with logic and reason
pic relate is literally his mindset, the only way to beat him is to out-meme him, at which point the thread goes to shit

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You know who else is getting a birthday pic in a couple of days, right?

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>>143134267

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>>143135118
Best girl.

>>143135145
Only Soviet rapebabies drink tea. Though knowing Mercedes it probably wasn't even rape.

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>Going to AX
>Kouki is going to be at a panel

I might see Jesus in the flesh. What do I do?

>>143135491
>hating tea
Amerifats pls, it's not your time yet

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So look who's on Volume IV BD. Who else will be a cover girl for the final two Volumes?

>>143135588
Iris and/or Beatrix.

>>143135588
Volume V - Sylwia and Pham or Kirke
Volume VI - Katia

>>143135639
This is the anime we're talking about. It won't be Beatrix or another Iris, but Katia.

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>>143131111
>/WGG/ is kill
;_;


also, nice quads

>>143135574
Ask him if he bought a new car

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>>143135491
>hating tea
>mfw

Would SM have benefited from a BIS flashback before the final episode?

>>143136956
No, because it wasn't an Irisdina or Beatrix route.

>>143136956
Not really.

Schwarzesmarken is mostly Katia's and Theo's story. The side characters aren't that important, and losing a Katia or Theo scene would hurt for more.

>>143136956
Not really

>>143136956
It would of helped characterize Beatrix tremendously and given a lot of context to what she was saying, but really, except for the few tidbits about Jurgen, she's not much more then a generic villain in the anime.

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>>143137170
>would of

>>143128068
Will they even patch them back in? Or like, give a choice?
They confirmed that there will be a patch for all the h-scenes.

>>143137688
They will release a patch

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>>143135575
I don't hate tea. I'm just being mean to Iris.

>>143128301
Get the fuck out and never come back, generalshitters.
>>>/m/14370931
>>>/jp/
>>>/vg/
>>>/out/
>>>/anywherebuthere/

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>>143138038
nah
>tfw more shitposters than Yugoslavia Front VNs

>>143138038
>tfw you will never pretend to fit in by posting the same thing in only 1 thread

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>>143137984
Whatever Beatrix.

You can dish it out but you certainly can't take it.

>>143135588
The final girl will be Katia, of course, because that's who got the final cover volume in the original LN.

>>143138038
Thanks doc
>>143138066
I know that feel Drug Tito ;_;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEAXIoBPhBQ

>>143138108
>The final girl will be Katia
That wording makes me want to send Katia into the Crystal Lake Camp.

>>143138253
I don't know why you'd want to do that to an angel like her.

>>143138289
>implying her naivete and (most likely) virginity wouldn't give her plot armor

>>143138340
Why add a possibility there? Katia's a virgin, it's why Axmann was so interested in her.

>>143138340
Katia is the true Martyr of SM, but because she's so pure and cute, she lives instead of dying.

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>>143138396
>true Martyr
>doesn't die

>>143138396
Pottery

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>>143138396
>Gets everything handed to her
>Never has to make a great personal sacrifice
I will never understand this level of delusion you have. But it is impressive.

>>143138396
>you will never help her become a Martyr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEx7uCFX_nA

>>143138656
I want to go full Johan Liebert on Katia, using Vivi's death as a way to guilt-trip her into committing suicide.

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>>143138844
First Iris, now Katia. You're on a roll today Beatrix. But just remember that, no matter how much you tease and taunt,no one loves you.

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>>143138962
But I love Iris and Beatrix equally.

>>143138844
Nice

>>143138962
Jurgen loves Beatrix

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>>143139062
No one alive. She'll be remembered as a monster and all the cruelty of the stasi and even the fall of East Germany will be pinned on her corpse.

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>>143138962
I love Beatrix. And I'm not even a Beafag. Shit I don't think theres a single SM girl that I dislike, they're all pretty top tier.

>>143139150
Thanks for reminding me that the moderate rebels when full Mussolini on her

>you will never be Axmann's fuccboi
>you will never impress him by creativity in bullying girls

>>143139150
I guess you could say that makes her the true martyr

>>143139150
Was this shot really necessary?

Seriously, what did they do with her corpse? Did they actually parade it through the streets? I thought that was just a meme.

>>143135118
That Laser-kun has got THE VIEW.

>>143139150
>Black TSF Down
I wonder if I can get Steele to sign a BD of Schwarzesmarken.

>>143139224
Moderates, not even once

>>143139224
They're going to have a shot of them pulling a dead Beatrix out of her cockpit in the BDs.

But really, why even show that shot? Why did Watanabe deem that significant to put as one of the anime's final shots? It's not like it enhances Theo's final monologue and it raises questions when there doesn't need to be any.

>>143139224
We will never know.

>>143139224
She somehow survived and managed to escape. Beatrix will show up in the sequels.

>>143139482
this. teaming up with yuuko to take down the master

>>143139429
The hypocrisy in one of his final lines "Will our ideals be able to remain untainted forever" is palpable. I don't understand how anyone can agree with or like the way the anime paints what happens unless they're not paying attention.

>>143139561
I guess they were trying to draw a parallel between Theo and Beatrix's diseased ideals.

>>143139617
>both adopt watered down versions of the ideals of their idols
Like pottery

>>143139561
How is it hypocritical? He hasn't abandoned his ideals yet.

>>143139675
>He hasn't abandoned his ideals yet.
You can't abandon what you never had in the first place.

>>143139648
I wouldn't say Beatrix's was that watered down. She did know Jurgen for five years rather then just a couple of months, and she was a big influence on the formation of his ideals.

>>143139675
>Intentionally using civilians for cover
>Resigning himself to killing his own sister for what he sees as the greater good
>Blaming Beatrix for what Axmann did
>Selling out his family because he was scared of what the stasi would do to him, admitting to telling them anything they wanted him to say

Thats not even everything in the anime alone. And he's even more of an amoral dick bag in the source material.

What would it feel like, to beat up both Iris and Beatrix in front of Jurgen?

>>143140103
If by beat up you mean kiss on the cheek, then I imagine he'd be upset as he's a siscon and a brunette-con.

>>143139847
I thought using non-combatants as cover was Beatrix's thing.

It was more like he was forced into it. Lise had also killed Pham and was responsible for torturing many of his compatriots. She was simply too far gone and like he said, he was rescuing her.

It's not like they aren't that different once you strip them to their core personalities and Beatrix was far more antagonistic towards him and his friends then Axmann.

He was just 15 years old. How long would you last?

>>143140145
>He was just 15 years old.
17, actually.
>How long would you last?
I've seen things like the Dagestan massacre video at his age.

>>143140140
I would rather punch those skanks in the faces than kiss their AIDS-infested cheeks.

>>143140140
Jurgen wasn't a brunette-con (Beatrix had "silky, midnight black hair" in Jurgen's description of her). He just really liked Beatrix's red eyes, big breasts, and cute ass. You could say he was a Beatrix-con.

>>143140192
He was 15. Lise was captured at 15. Theo joined the NVA at 15-16.

>>143140145
The problem isn't whether it was necessary or not, its that compromise has to be made at times. Painting the surviving 666th at the end as angelic was uncomfortable to watch.

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>>143140326
They're the good guys, so of course they're going to be portrayed as good. Just compare the music, imagery, and tones used to contrast Katia's speech in the finale vs Beatrix's in episode 2.

>>143140416
The funny thing is is that according to the prequel spoilers, Beatrix hates autocracies and sees the DDR as a glorified prison, and only supports it because she sees it as the best chance they've got against the BETA.

>>143138488
>>Never has to make a great personal sacrifice
What?

Dedicated to Sumika and Katia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTN48hRCF5g

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>>143128459
I was in that thread and holyshit shitposting was real. But mostly 1-2 fags that kept saying that it is a shitty entry level VN and /jp/ hates thus it is shit.
>mfw

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>>143140487
We don't know what her political stance was as a teenager, but she seems to be a pretty hardcore nazi as an adult.

>>143140416
>my Father and Captain Bernhard

Now that I think about it, the one who was made a Unperson, wasn't Alfred Strachwitz. It was Jürgen Bernhard, even in the Anime. Gretel knows about Strachwitz, and even the Anime's Newspaper "cutouts" show his name, but no one knows about Jürgen, and he is supposed to be the original tactician behind Laserjagd. To almost everyone, he is just Irisdina's dead Brother, nothing else, and he was supposed to be a highly decorated veteran of the WPO defence of the Caucasus and Ukraine. The one who got wiped clean off the world Jürgen.

>>143140573
If only out pedantry: Nazism isn't a synonym of Totalitarianism.

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>>143140549
>caring what /jp/ thinks post-2014
The biggest issue with that thread was the OP involving my waifu.

>>143140610
No, both were made unpersons.

>>143140549
Just like this anon here >>143132829
Also, in case people are not aware Muv Luv related stuff on /a/, /m/, /v/ and /vg/ is pretty quiet because everyone is waiting for the steam release. Once it is out flood gates will open, for better or worse.

>>143140639
If mentioning Alfred Strachwitz in a speech is necessary, people remember him.

>>143140610
>Now that I think about it, the one who was made a Unperson, wasn't Alfred Strachwitz. It was Jürgen Bernhard, even in the Anime.

Axmann really, really hates Jürgen. No other person could really come close to being his complete opposite, yet also match him blow for blow. It was probably Ketchup who proscribed him in the end.

Even so, Beatrix can't talk about Jürgen because she's supposed to hate him, so if she does it's always in a roundabout way.

Iris doesn't want to talk about Jürgen because of her guilt, and will avoid topics on him.

Katia should know who Jürgen is, but doesn't bother bringing him up either.

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>>143140549
The trilogy being released on steam will bring nothing good.

I wonder how the western fanbase's opinion on SM and its characters will change once everything is done and translated, getting the anime first has made things pretty toxic. I guess its best to do what the japs and do and treat them as separate things; "anime is anime and original is original".

>>143140416
How pissed off do you think Beatrix felt when Ursula brought up Iris's brother? I mean, here's this nitwit who has no idea the story behind Jürgen, her, and Iris, and using it to drum up sympathy for her archnemesis and incite rebellion.

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>>143140618
I feel ya, but there were anons who where generally interested, I tried to help them out.

There was one other anon who also helped but he was a bit too obvious and shitposters keep baiting him and calling him a shill (as if publishers give two shit about /v/).

But one thing anons in the thread agreed was about pic related being best grill.

>>143140758
Indeed, but as long as it pushes traffic to the Muv Luv release and helps jap devs understand that there is a market in the west for their products in does not matter cause it will mean more offcial VN for us.

But yeah there will be flood of new fags with short attentions spams until they find something else to shit or be angry about.

Why are ML girls only good for rape and bullying?

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>>143141086
Doors over there motherfucker.

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>>143140758
>once everything is done and translated
I am sure I will be old and on my death bed by then, but damn if that does happen to me at that time I still play it even if I die (with smile on my face) before getting to the end.

>>143141086

Guys I like Muv Luv as much as anyone here but maybe we should stop making these threads, at least until the VN is out on Steam.

It is pretty ded here ;_;

>>143140416
>They're the good guys
That ain't the problem they DID have to taint they're ideals by getting their hands dirty because there was no other way, making Theo's final monologue contradictory and downright off putting by saying its untainted and everything is perfect. I hope the VN is more coherent because this shit was flawed in some game breaking ways.

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>>143141439
If you like Muv-Luv so much, why would you wait until a release that will draw nothing but retards?

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I want to kiss and flirt with Jurgen just to make these creatures jealous and instill the fear of losing him in them.
No homo.

>>143141439
Because retards need their internet chatroom.

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Ehhh, I said last week that Healanon's doodles had inspired me to draw. Thus I deliver. I plan on making two versions, one in uniform, one in civilian clothes, so wish me luck anons, its the first time I actually try to draw anything decent in years.

Honest opinions are appreciated.

>>143141556
Thanks for the double dose doc

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>>143141502
>>143141556
Because arguing with retards is more fun than going over the same material endlessly. Plus the are bound to be newfags who need guidance.

>>143141559

>dem lips
>Sambo Beatrix

wut

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>>143140758
Check out my rare Lise.

>>143141559
You're really bad and should learn anatomy.

>>143141559
Just trace pictures you like and draw the hair and eyes of the SM girls over them right.

Go practice, because you are hot garbage.

>>143141559
Take some drawing classes.

Or learn how to trace and shoop. No one's going to fuck you up for copying other people's crap, so long as you aren't claiming that you did everything 100%.

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>>143140837
Didn't she try to kill Katia in the anime over that shit?

>>143141559
trace until you git gud

>>143141647

>OP: When ever a show decides to kill off a character they've intentionally made you hate I'm usually satisfied by they way they're dealt with, but sometime I fell like they deserve more they what they got. For me it would have to be Lise. I wish they would have made her suffer more after she had Theo's entire squad tortured, beaten, and raped before killing Pham.

>Agreed, she had the chance to redeem herself, or at least reconsider her position. Over and over. She decided to stick with the stasi every time, until the bitter end.

>Pham was my favorite, so I'm still salty. I didn't like the way she had died, even though I saw it coming.

>That's why I don't put too much stock in side stories, the writers can give a sob story to ANYONE. Would we say that Hitler wasn't so bad if we learned he was abused as a kid. It's the actions the characters take in the present that matters. Lise became beyond hope as soon as she began informing on her friends. And those saying that she's doing it for her brother, she's doing it for herself. She doesn't truly care about Theo like Irisdina or Katia.

>The Lise that deserved mercy and pity was the one who was taken in and tortured by Beatrix and Axmann. She died in those two hands, and was replaced by a murderous bitch that needed to be put down.

>I wouldn't have minded had they made her suffer much more. And I think we can all agree that Heinze and Beatrix got off too easy.

>[Beatrix] was the biggest asshole in the story, and that's saying something. She had no fruedian excuse, no greater vision, only power hungry selfishness and an uncontrollable desire to murder.

>Because the anime didn't show it, duh. I can only judge a story on what is shown. And what was shown was a smug, sadistic woman who was happy over the deaths of those around her. Maybe she has a big story and grand vision, but if the anime isn't telling me that, why would I consider it in my evaluation.

>>143141768
>>143141826
>>143141870
>>143141981
Back to practice then.

See you later lads.

>>143141647

>Theodor isn't only a bad ass because he banged and killed his sister. He takes out the trash [pic of Beatrix].

>That is one badass kill done by Theodor, straight to Beatrix's cockpit. Too bad she didn't suffer more and cut in half though And Irisdina didn't make it too? That's it, that confirms it. Katia is the "winner". butGretel still alive [smile face]

>Another grand speech by Ursula(Katia) But damn Beatrix also is as twisted as Axmann and Schmidt. Rip Sylwia and Walter ;_;
>Axmann the scum as usual and so good to see him get rekt by Irisdina, but damn not like this ;_;.
>So satisfying seeing Theodor kill that bitch Beatrix. Good riddunce. Good to see west back them up in the end and good to see Jeckeln surviving that explosion in the Stasi files :)

>That was one of the most beautiful episodes of any mecha series I've ever seen. I whooped with joy when Theodor killed Beatrix and I seriously cried when Irisdina died. She went through so much, she really did deserve a happy ending the most ;_; RIP. Again, gotta hand it to Suzumura Kenichi for the excellent voice work with Theodor. This is easily my favorite mecha series. I love how they focus more on internal conflict rather than the fight against the BETA. Schwarzesmarken easily a 10/10 for me. Very underrated! Yeah, it's a bit illogical that they didn't rush her to the hospital but blame the the original creators I guess. They did a great job adapting it in a 12 episode series.

>lol iris death ruins the whole show.

>And so it ends. Really sucks that Iris didn't make it in the end... But Katia's smile made it all worth it. Glad Gretel survived as well. They lost a lot of comrades along the way. Show had pretty nice action. 8/10.

>Beatrix dying was good. Could have gone further and just let her bleed off like a nobody in a ditch, but eh, we can't get everything.

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>>143142384
By the time Martyrs rolls around I'm expecting good quality shit, anon.

Pic related, someone who got gud.

>>143142533
I don't particularly like that style of art, but I can definitely see the improvements and skill.

>>143142533
Well I'll try anon, summer is probably the busiest time of the year for me, so I can't promise anything. But if I manage to git gud, we'll at the very least will have a resident drawfag in our threads.

>>143139561
Retards think it's a happy ending because it has sunny weather, the uplifting music, and most importantly, Katia's smile.

There is no foreboding; as far as everyone is concerned, Katia is correct and everything turns out alright. I don't know who they're trying to fool. Only dumb westerners believe the ending. Tellingly, the Japs still sided 55 to 45 with Beatrix on polling done at the end of the anime.

>>143141559
Well not gonna sugar cote it but not too good. You are still better than me when it comes to sketches (I am more of a coloring fag).

First you are trying to do too much in one go for beginner. (fuck I wish I still had by wacom with me so I could give you guides). But my first recommendation, focus on drawing their faces first (going for full body/anatomy is WAY to early).

Try one face at a time, look up references, need be trace over some official stuff to help your mind and hand adjust for drawing small details like hair strand, eyes and such. Keep doing it until you can accurately redraw the face without tracing.

When you can do that, start to experiment see what you can change see how you can adjust the angle of the face you are drawing, different hair setups and so on and different facial expressions. (this is also time when you go looks up some anime character face drawing 101 somewhere).

Once you do that, then and only then move onto drawing bodies ONLY with no heads or maniken type heads with no faces or hair. Look up drawing stick figures and simple skeleton structures for poses and such. Or again take and official image print it out and trace it until you hand gets used to it.

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>>143141559
>>143142745
(Continued)

For pic you posted:
Arms are first thing you should fix, find similar images of the anime/manga/whatever in a similar pose and see how they did it.

Neck and shoulders are not bad. Iris's hair is longer, you need to show that. Torso is meh just needs a better angling and correct details added. Below that looks good.

For face stuff read above. Also don't rush towards drawing them in clothes (that is a different can of worms) keep drawing bodies naked until you can get it half right then start putting cloth on them since it make it easier in future (assuming you are still reading this and wish to keep drawing) to help hide mistakes but also make it easier to drawn.

Look at pick related, use it as reference. And last thing, keep drawing every day 1-2 hours at least. Draw TSF's, girls whatever it is you like about Muv Luv but keep doing it and you will get better, I promise. Proof >>143142533

>>143142730
>Tellingly, the Japs still sided 55 to 45 with Beatrix on polling done at the end of the anime.
That's not surprising though. The Japs have always believed in the state. Westerners have an ingrained distaste for it.

>>143142471
>Beatrix dying was good. Could have gone further and just let her bleed off like a nobody in a ditch, but eh, we can't get everything.

Fucking nailed it.

>>143142821
>Americans have an ingrained distaste for it.

ftfy

>>143142815
It's not Iris, it's Yuuko.

>>143142866
She was a spiteful, violent person and went out the way she lived.

I think it's poetic.

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>>143142821
As for the specific case in SM, the only way to get an accurate comparison between west and eastern opinions like "who is right" "who is best girl" ect. is if both sides had access to all the material. If at least the majority of the western Muv-luv fandom had read the LNs, Requiem, the VNs, and BiS discussions on 4 chan and other sites would probably be very different. Although there will always be secondaries who just see the anime but that happened with TE too.

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>>143142815
Final thing, about that pic I posted. Don't get intimidated by it. Print it and draw over it where their body should be under their cloths make them "naked" if you will. Then try to figure out why and how the artist did the way he did and apply the you interpretation on separate paper and don't be afraid to us that pic as guide or reference.

Here is an early concept sketch of best girl. Try using a similar messy/free style for your lines to see what works and what does not. Don't do the solid lines that did you you picture let hand work free and press gently on the pencil and play around.

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>>143143063
Fuck me, totally missed that.

>>143142745
>>143142815
>>143143218


Thanks. Though the fact that you mistook one of them for Iris is proof enough that I have a long way to go. I'll probably upload a sketch once in a while to get /a/'s opinion.

>>143142821
>Westerners have an ingrained distaste for it.

Anglo's in general, and American specifically you mean. More than half the West takes more government dick up the ass, than the Orientals can even dream of.

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>>143143278
I think you can blame it on the fact that it is pretty late here and I am sleepy, which made writing that stuff tedious and slow for me.

I am sure I would have picked up on it being Yuuko if I was more awake. You did good trying to replicate her hair and her school cloths from Extra.

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Have you fags done it?

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>>143143966
>buying a already translated game that's censored

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>>143132829
don't forget the stupid retarded fanfiction shit posters and retards praising them
I hope the upcoming game shows Lise is a nazi whore and you all lose your shit over it

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>>143144092

>>143143966
Not for nearly 30€

>>143144092
its not about that. its about supporting what you like and if this gets good sales they will translate more stuff and if that has good sales we may get english releases at same time that new JP VNs come out.

>>143143966
yes

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>>143143966
>Dat catalog
Nice taste sempai, and you fucking bet I have.

>>143144289
Anon you should automatically ignore or assume bait when someone uses an argument like that. The are baiting or incapable of comprehending simple things.

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>>143143966
Sup Sven, how's Stockholm this time of year?

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>>143144536
Sunny during the day and cold closer to night and never never completely dark during summer.

>>143144734
>Moetoko
I see I wasn't the only one to fall for her inferior wiles.

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>>143144824
I haven't even touched Arise but I (and most of /toy/) pre-ordered her the second I saw the figma.

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>>143145094

>>143144259
how poor are you? Kouki needs more sport cars

https://twitter.com/reiterasu/status/745195208858439680?lang=en

>>143145769
Couldn't they post Meiya instead of Sumika?

>>143145769
imagine being such a pleb playing that shit in the bus or sub!!!!

>>143145916
>not the operating system
wew

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>>143133555
So, retarded /m/ discussion from before SM started airing. Right.

>>143134714
Afraid you're right.

>>143135118
When is Stella's birthday?

This makes me happy.

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>>143128729
What would running your finger along her lip feel like?

>>143146235
>When is Stella's birthday?
It's right in the picture, dude.

>>143143966
Nope

>>143146267
>What would running your finger along her lip feel like?

Divine. Unless she gets bitey because she doesn't want you touching her.

>>143146267
>What would running your finger along her lip feel like?
Like smearing western beauty products across an attractive woman's face.

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>>143145905
Muh boi!

>>143145916
Jokes aside, I never would. I want to be as closed off from outside world as possible when reading for maximum immersion. But I do like the idea of hooking my tablet wirelessly up to 50' TV and enjoy in on big screen.

>>143146223
kek

>>143135118
>>143146235
>>143146267
It's 6th in here Sweden, so Happy Birthday.

>>143146430
I want the swedish meatballs.

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How many times did Theo jack off with this hand?

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>>143146553
How many times did Theo jack off to this?

>>143146553
>handholding
3lewd

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>>143139150
What a waste of a, well not perfectly good Mig-27, but something serviceable.

>>143139224
Well it would have been in Martyrs, I'm surprised they even included it in the anime. Even if you don't know the new government's execution of all the Werewolf (when most of them are on the frontline), it still raises a squeamish moment for the ANN people who think it is noble, or at best, a slightly edgy rebellion.

These people don't understand rebellions. They are never clean and simple.

>>143139561
>I don't understand how anyone can agree with or like the way the anime paints what happens unless they're not paying attention.

And there's the rub. You have to remember this is an audience who, LARGELY, it seems, don't even know the Cold War existed. Even though East and West Germany and the Iron Curtain are easily in living memory, somehow there's a large amount of people who think that we're dealing with Nazi Germany here. Or best yet, two conflicting German empires.

God save us all.

>>143146607
That scene is missing a shop of that smiling black guy holding a detonator.

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>>143139847
>Selling out his family because he was scared of what the stasi would do to him, admitting to telling them anything they wanted him to say

I'd like to take issue with this point, not the others - overall, you are right. I don't think you understand though, the scale of the torture, physical and mental, that the Stasi did. Basically, anyone sang like a canary in the end. That Lise didn't is testament to her strength, not an indicator of weakness of Theo.

Actually, I would also like to take issue with
>Resigning himself to killing his own sister for what he sees as the greater good
I'm not seeing along the same wavelength. He tried and tried to have her believe in his ideals (to whatever extent they were his), but she wouldn't. It's not that he killed her because of the greater good. It's because he realized how utterly gone she was. She had crossed a moral dividing line that was finally too great for even him to bear. Even upto rescuing them all from the airbase, he still believed she could be saved. It was the callous murder of someone so innocent, so helpless that broke any illusions he had. And even then, afterwards, he knew he had to save her. His final lie was that he could just write her off as his sister like that. The truth was he had to save her, because she was his sister.

>>143146607
Penetration wasn't painful enough. She should of been gagging on her own blood and convulsing from shock.

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>>143141727
Now do a Stasi Pham edit, dork

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>>143146267
Not as good as kissing them.

>>143143139
>but that happened with TE too

What were TE secondaries like? As far as I can see, the TE anime was pretty close if not really close to the source material.

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>>143147215
>it's OK when Jurgen breaks his sister's heart.

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>>143144178

But Lise being a hypersexual nazi whore who can out fuck Mad Dog Marimo is part of her gap moé

>>143147254
This

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>>143146267
Oh, you'll have to forgive me, eyes glazed over the moonrunes. Found it anyways.

It's her go limp and needy button

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>>143147304
>that M emphasizing the thigh gap on Iris
Jesus.

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>>143147448
Just another perk of being a nomenklatura princess.

>>143146430
Happy birthday to your greatest countrymen.

It's too bad you're in reality a bunch of cucks.

If the state of modern Sweden ever gets you down, just remember that in MLverse, you guys are the rapefugees.

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>>143147373
>Has moé and gap moé
Its like having your cake and eating it too.

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>>143147411
>Jilpoong
rip, would have loved to see how much he has improved art wise if was still with us. Fucker would probably have done fuck ton of drawings to celebrate the kickstarter.

>>143147524
Ah yes, the eternal /pol/ meme. Sure anon, I will keep that in mind I guess.

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>>143147304
Irisdina was not only an alpha bitch in school all through Beatrix's life, but had even stopped following Jurgen's wishes and started reconnecting with their calculating whore of a mother who turned their loving father into a comatose wreck.

And then to top it off, scuttlebutt indicates it was Irisdina's possessiveness that drove her to say, to Axmann no less, what would in the end sell out her brother.

Knowing Jurgen's backstory even slightly, Irisdina's sudden conscience and presumed mantle of legacy in the name of her brother sickens me. No wonder behind Beatrix's teasing smile is utterly strangling, burning hatred.

As if to add insult to injury, Iris got Jurgen's Mig-21PF (which of course she had the old paint sanded off), his scarf, and nearly all his other belongings. And Beatrix only got a paint job she had to specially ask favors for, and a tape recording to her found in his tomb.

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Good night anons
http://youtubeonrepeat.com/watch/?v=GStd6t7LbT8

I hope you dream of you fav girl tonight.

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>>143148493
I hope I do

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>>143147853
Well to be honest, it's beyond a meme at this point. Every week, there is some new madness coming out from the festering sore that is modern Sweden.

At least ML, Swedes actually fight and stuff.

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>>143147138

Dunno why you'd want a stasi Pham. It seems to run totally counter to who and what she stands for.

Anyways, I guess I might put some erect nips and do something about that 666th emblem if/when I feel like it

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>>143148982
Looks more like the wessie suit

>>143149088
She's in a well lit environment, so I couldn't just go full dark without it looking odd.

Still, I was afraid of that.

I have the xfc saved, so I can go back and tweak it until I get the color just right.

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>>143133555
30 STRYKERS

M1128 Mobile Gun System fully loaded with the 105mm M-900 APFSDS DU rounds. The cure to the BETA problem.

>>143149179

Go for a more gray color and not a blue color, i guess.

Also pham would agree to join werewolves if it gave her a chance to protect theo and katja

>>143149597

Don't forget good cop/bad cop routine.

>>143150020
>implying the Stasi works like that

I require more fortified suits.

>>143150182

Pham could make it work. Fearsome ara ara bullying when?

>>143151126
>Fearsome ara ara bullying when?
Beatrix has that angle covered.

>>143151126
>bullying

no you don't understand. If the Stasi wanted to mess with you they get into your house and slight rearrange you stuff or change you clock alarm or change your pictures on the the wall

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>>143148982
Now that's a nice fit.

No one ever said she had to be happy about being forced into the Stasi. That, or protecting the Theo, making his ideals a reality.

A very nice job. As a Phamfag I approve!

>>143149088
Wessi suits use that darker gel color of the Stasi suits as the plastics color on theirs, and use a lighter color for the gel.

And then from some angles, they look like they're wearing some greenish-blue color.

>>143151223

Beatrix and Pham both ara ara bully-terrogating someone at the same time.

Could anyone survive that?

>>143151382
>theo
>ideals

Theres a Schwarzesmarken VN? I've never played a VN before but all the girls seemed interesting in the anime so I want to play it. Any way to play in english or not out yet?

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>>143151744
Not out in eng yet.

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>>143151744
The VN was actually first. Well that or LN.

It's actually in two halves, the first VN was released some time ago, I think you can find it on Nyaa.se - the second one, Martyrs, isn't out yet but will be.

As for English translation, age said they'd do it, they used some of the Kickstartbux to include a translated demo of Schwarzesmarken sometime. And when they put SM up for nomination on Steam Greenlight, it passed. So it will happen, sometime. But unless you can read Japanese, Chinese, or Korean moonrunes, you're kind of fucked for the moment at least.

>>143151744
Here, have fun. It may not be the VN, but it's a taste:

http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Garmoe/Schwarzesmarken_Character_Sample_Translations

>>143151834
>>143151888
any anime based vns I can play for free to try them out in the meantime?

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>>143152439

I enjoyed Wanko To Kurasou myself.

>>143152439
https://vndb.org/v/all?q=;fil=lang-en.tagspoil-0;rfil=;o=d;s=rating

>>143152321
I can't decide who's hotter between Iris, Beatrix, and Pham.

>>143152756
Why not all three?

>>143152756

Bea, Pham, Iris, in that order.

Lise, Bea, Pham are the top 3, in that order.

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>>143152321
>Gretel
>Hey, stop it! I don't like how I look without my glasses!
>You should fix your [uniform] collar. If your uniform is in dissaray then your heart will be in dissaray aswell.
>W- well... if it's just a handshake then I don't... mind.

3cute5me

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>>143152321
>expect simple voice samples
>read the translations

Why is my heart feeling so heavy?

>>143153180
Which girl are you feeling your heart pulse for?

>>143153292
A lot of them, but in particular Pham and Beatrix. With Bea, it feels like she wants you to think you're in trouble, but then just giggles and stuff. It hurts. And that's when she's not outright kind to you.

Pham's is just pure painful to read. So much love and caring in her.

>>143153373

Wonder if there's any saving them in the alternate routes. Of course, Kouki's got a wild ride you can't get off of, and nothing's gonna stop the rape train.

Kouki pls

>>143153505
Lise, Iris, and Katia are probably the ones you'll have the most control over.

>>143153553

Just wondering if any of them get incidentally saved depending on the alternate route. Like if events go differently in the Iris or Lise routes, some of them might live instead of dying like in the "true" Katia one.

>>143153728
Beatrix is probably dying no matter what, whether by Theo's hands or someone else. As for everyone else, it would probably depend. I think Gretel will get killed in one route, and Annette won't be able to dodge the deathflags in another. There's going to be a high death count by the end no matter what though.

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>>143153800
>There's going to be a high death count by the end no matter what though.

>>143153800
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Beatrix doesn't really care for her own life. She's not exactly suicidal, but dying isn't a big deal for her, right?

>>143154036
Not necessarily a rule. She did become more keen on the idea of sacrifice towards the end I believe.

>>143154036

a while back, while the show was airing, the scuttlebutt is that she's actually suicidal from all the horrible things she's done and Jurgen's dream is the only thing stopping her from ending her own life. She doesn't think she can be saved, and she doesn't think she can be forgiven.

>>143153505
It's already been a kooky ride. Who could have predicted that Katia's route would be the anime and LN route and that Iris would have been the secondary? It completely turns all our expectations on their head about what we can expect.

Here I was thinking that the Katia route was going to have an insane plot involving a showdown with Schmidt or something.

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>>143154621
We will never get that Latrova doujin.

>>143154942
>we'll never see Jilpoong illustrate Schwarzesmarken

biggest crap.
call me when new muv luv.

>>143155451
so, never?

>>143155451
how about i call you when you learn english, pablo

>>143139847
>>Selling out his family because he was scared of what the stasi would do to him, admitting to telling them anything they wanted him to say
Go actually read about the torture techniques used in the cold war era, now imagine you are like 14 and being subjected to them.
It is pretty awful stuff, not sure where the PoD is for Schwarzesmarken, but the Stazi were most likely trained by the NKVD after the formation of the GDR so they would probably use very similar techniques.
Because the key thing to remember is he was an enemy of the state, so all the gloves were off he was literally theirs to do whatever they wanted with.

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>>143155978
Beatrix must have done some horrible shit to him if it fucked him up for life after just a couple of days.

>>143156174
>Beatrix

Meant to say Axmann.

>>143156174
>beatrix

>>143156225
>>143156174
Who would be worse to be interrogated by?

Axmann plays more mental games while Beatrix likes to break bones.

Beatrix is likely to kill you after she's done with you (or if she gets to enthusiastic during the torture), while Axmann will continue to toy with you long after he's gotten the info he wants.

So who's worse?

>>143156326
Beautiful, absolutely beautiful.

>>143156312
>Now that I’m reevaluating Beatrix as a character, it occurs to me that she and Axemann are set up to represent different types of evil. Beatrix is someone who believes wholeheartedly in doing evil. Axemann, however, has no ideology [and just serves evil out of self interest].

>So there’s something to think about: who is the greater evil? The one who devotes herself mind and soul to evil? Or the one who serves, but has no loyalty to, an evil cause?

>>143155978
I know, that was never the problem. Torture is unimaginably horrifying and Theo reacted in a very normal, natural way. And hey while were at it Lise went through worse and for a lot longer and just look how she turned out. I didn't say he was wrong, I said he was a dickbag. And you know what he has every reason to be. Which makes how its all portrayed in the show as good guys vs bad guys feel disingenuous and why by the end I felt unsettled by the cheery tone it tried to force down my throat after all the bullshit both sides had to pull to get their way and the people who were caught in the middle.

>>143156501
It's called protagonist centered morality. It's something that most of the audience is either to stupid too pick up upon, or too intellectually lazy.

>>143156435
>Beatrix
>evil

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>>143142243
>>143142471
Just fuck my shit up senpai.

The worst possibly is using Pham as party to their hate. It just feels so wrong.

>>143156767
You don't remember how angry the Phamfags were at Lise after episode 08, do you?

>>143156640
She's a pretty unambiguous character, even in the LN.

>>143156967
For the second time, how does that make it any better to use Pham as the poster child for a shit flinging fest? When she precisely said in that very episode not to fling shit because she understands how badly Lise needs a horse tranquilizer.

>>143155978
One has to bear in mind, even in our time, the Stasi got so horrible and proficient that the KGB and especially the Kremlin asked them to calm the fuck down, more than once.

>>143156312
You have it completely backwards. Axmann is the one who used physical violence mute result. Though both used mind games, Beatrixt tended to that more often. With Beatrix, if you had to die eventually, her way was more to kill you quick.

One has to remember that the Stasi generally preferred sickening mind games. As the saying goes, the Gestapo were bone breakers, but the Stasi were soul breakers.

>>143156967
Actual Phamfags? Or part timers? Or Katiafags who liked Pham? There's a huge difference between them. We only got like two or three actual, full throttle Phamfags, and I think one of them doesn't even come around that often, and only rarely speaks if they do.

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>>143148982
>Dunno why you'd want a stasi Pham. It seems to run totally counter to who and what she stands for.

Because stasi fortified suits are miracles of the universe.

>>143147215
She looks confused and kind of scared.

>>143157866
You are terrible at reading facial expressions.

>>143157866
How goes the autism diagnosis?

That said, it's true, but only in a tiny bit. It's not because of Jurgen though