Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1567

How many months in did you fully finish your first ""real"" (as in, not Hanahira) VN/LN and what was it /djt/?

出来ない

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>>142564836
I haven't even started my first one yet, as I can't be arsed to set up a text hooker.

>>142564945
By setup you mean download chiitrans and click on the exe or load up a LN in firefox and hover with rikai?

>>142564836
I'm like 3+ years in and I only just completely my first VN the other day

It was Nekopara

>>142564836
I'm like 8 months in and working my may through my first LN at a breakneck speed of 5 pages an hour

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>>142565013
Yeah, but I'm lazy as fuck when it comes to doing new things.

>>142564836
About 6 months in finished the first volume of ベン・ト
A month later finished my first VN, ひとりのクオリア
Shit's been easy since then.

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>>142565042
>>142565083
Do you guys only study like once a week or something? What did you do all this time, only anki?

>>142565402
I just don't like VNs

The only reason I decided to pick up Nekopara was because VNs are so good for listening practice

>>142565345
>ひとりのクオリア
Wow this looks super cool and it's apparently really short too. How did you like it?

The VN charts really need more stuff like this.

>>142564836
I finished Koisuru Kanojo no Bukiyō na Butai about a year after starting, and Lovely Cation shortly after. I started Flyable Heart but I'm burned out on moege trash for now.

>>142565402
All of my studying was subbed anime, kanji cards on anki, and reading shitposts/Japanese websites.
I never did anything "compelling" until 7 or so months in. VNs don't seem like my thing so I waited until I could pick up an LN. I have to look 5-10 words up on jisho every page but hey, my reading comprehension is solid.

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>>142565496
It's kinda like Welcome to the NHK with lolis and video games. Pretty simple, but sweet. Some of the drama was dumb, though, and don't expect any ero out of it, there's like 3 nipples total in the whole thing.
Also make sure to get the latest patch from the dev's site, it shipped somewhat unfinished.

>>142565819
>I have to look 5-10 words up on jisho every page
is there a reason you're not using rikai?

>>142564796
S2 fucking when?

>>142565897
Cool, I will probably pick it up.

I really wish more VNs did NVL format instead of ADV, I have a weak spot for it.

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>it's a 編集長 episode

Why's rice also USA?

>>142565901
It's an LN. Image scans.
Aside from that I prefer not to use a dictionary when going through something unless I am completely stumped. When I run across something new I want to look at it up close on something like jisho so I don't forget immediately.

>>142564836
2 weeks playing day after day for hours when I was NEETing during summy holidays at university.

It was Steins;Gate. I remember playing from midnight to noon on the last chapter, then I went to sleep until 7pm or something.

>>142566089
There's plenty of LN with text/epub files. You'd have to be a gigantic masochist to do it your way.

So, I'd like to ask about something that I find sorta difficult to deal with in japanese sentences, which is... figuring the subject.

I've re-downloaded Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru again and was watching while trying to pay more attention to what's being spoken instead of just reading the subtitles, and I noticed two parts where... it didn't made sense to me.
Also, maybe because the first time I've watched it was from Commie, and this time it's from CrunchyRoll, so I'm noticing some changes here and there... this is Crunchy's subs:

Episode 6, where 8man is talking to Iroha outside the clubroom saying he'll do her request personally instead of the club, she then says:

> ガチ大変だから、はやま先輩にはちょっと迷惑かけちゃうかな
> This is a tough job, so I didn't want to bother him (Hayama) with it...

(long inner 8man dialogue here)

> それにこいうのて簡単の事が出来ないのが可愛いって言うか
> Besides, with stuff like this, it's cute how he can't handle simple things.

> ミスしたりするんがいいんじゃないですか
> It's his mistakes that I like about him.

> ガチも嫌かいな事とか普通に重いって思われちゃいますよ
> Asking him to do something that's actually hard would just scare him off.

Is it just me but isn't she referring to herself in sentences 2-3?

"Also, isn't it cute not being able to handle easy stuff like this?"
"Making mistakes is fine too isn't it?"

Since she's always doing this "cute" facade, that's what I understood from it... is there something that makes it obvious she's not talking about herself in those sentences?
I can only think of the には in the 1st sentence but it's so far apart that I don't think it makes sense...

Also, what's the kanji for かけ here 迷惑かけちゃうかな?
I couldn't find one that fitted the idea of "pushing the trouble".

>>142566169
Using texthookers and shit like that hurts your gains in the long run, your retention sky rockets if you look up vocab manually, although if you have to look something up every sentence it ends up not being worth

>>142566169
I wanted to read this specific LN. I don't think it has any text/epub files.
It's really not that bad. Typing a word up on jisho is maybe a couple seconds slower than hovering over with rikai, and I need to commit the word to memory either way. If I felt like it was masochistic I wouldn't do it.

>>142564836
10-11 years. Finishing Flyable Heart after a short 11 months of reading.

>>142566014
>It's an 今までのあらすじ anime episode

>>142566208
>Is it just me but isn't she referring to herself in sentences 2-3?
Yeah you're right
You really shouldn't be trying to rely on subs when watching anime they're wrong a lot

>Also, what's the kanji for かけ here 迷惑かけちゃうかな?
Maybe you should read some stuff before jumping into the learn from anime meme

>>142566290
I did the same at first and it ended up being a massive waste of time.
Switching to reading with rikai increased my progress tenfold, the difference from scans is night and day.
Since I had no OCR version of the LN I wanted to read I had to spend $6 to get it from amazon and convert it to html, shit was worth every penny.
You can zoom on kanji with rikai as well if you want to examine it "close up" you'll forget it by the time you see another 10 new words either way, though.

>>142566827
>You can zoom on kanji with rikai as well if you want to examine it "close up"
Enter, in case anyone's wondering.

>>142566289
Not if you use anki import.
I don't think I remember much of the words I had to look up when reading manga, but I know every single word I had to look up reading konosuba and steins gate.

Claim your auxiliary-fu

しまう claimed

>>142567154
I'll have せう

>>142567154
ーてやがる

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Question: what does BL in amazon's "本›コミック・ラノベ・BL›コミック" means?
surely not boys love, as it itself is a コミック.

>>142566827
you know, you could also use Wakan.
copypaste the text there and it will show the translation of each kanji simultaneously. More comfortable than having to use mouse every time you need translation.

>>142567154
ぬ

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>>142567394
This? You still have to mouse over and I don't see how it's any better than rikai. It looks fucking terrible, actually. Plus there's no anki realtime import for them vocab gains.

>>142565402
Your ideas of proficiency are unrealistic, more or less, if you are taking that image remotely seriously. The guy is either an outlier, had previous experience and wasn't being honest about it, or his comprehension was a lot lower than he may have thought at the time. I see it often in these threads, almost as some sort of extreme response to the foolishly slow progress that various people on other sites have posted anecdotes about.

>>142566015
Similar to in Chinese, it refers to beauty and abundance. The Americas are vast with fertile lands and many historically valuable crops. Etymologies can be useful but aren't always the most relevant.

>>142566014
where'd you get them subs, also did they come timed?

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>>142567556
No, like this.

>>142568034
I find it kind of hard to even be able to focus on the sentence with all that english text in the way, seems like it would be useful if you got used to it though

>>142568027
http://jpsubbers web44 net/Japanese-Subtitles/
Not timed so you have to use your video player to adjust at the beginning and for ads.

>>142567956
>The guy is either an outlier, had previous experience and wasn't being honest about it, or his comprehension was a lot lower than he may have thought at the time.
He just literally had nothing to do for that year and a half but learn japanese.

>>142566208
>Also, what's the kanji for かけ here
掛「か」
→掛ける
＊迷惑を掛ける
迷惑を掛けてしまうかな
→迷惑かけちゃうかな

>>142568034
You remember shit better if you try to remember it before seeing English translation though.

>>142567956
What's so unrealistic about it? Assuming you got a text hooker to save you from specialized vocab 1.5 years feels like a good enough time to get rock solid reading comprehension if you don't slack, especially if you finish 20 other VNs like the guy did.

>>142568034
Yeah, this looks even worse. Just having furigana on everything would be pretty annoying but those english boxes straight up give me eye cancer.

>>142568279
aight, thanks a bunch

>>142568346
Yeah, not buying that.

>>142568449
>What's so unrealistic about it?
Languages aren't acquired that fast from nothing.
>Assuming you got a text hooker to save you from specialized vocab
Right, so assuming I can wear flippers I feel confident in being able to say I can swim 300 meters very fast. Kind of meaningless.
If you can't read Japanese without the aid of a text hooker, you can't read Japanese.

>feels like a good enough time to get rock solid reading comprehension
Key word here is "feels". Using a texthooker to read a limited selection of Japanese can very well give you the misunderstanding that you have a "rock solid" comprehension on the rest of the language. But you really don't.

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>>142568588
どういたしまして

>>142566015
because it used to be written as 亜米利加　and 亜 was already used for 亜細亜

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>>142568635
>Yeah, not buying that.
actually it was six months, then another six months before taking and passing N1, then another "year or two" before having truly good reading comprehension

>>142564836
cross channel fall 2003 my life changed forever and i guess it was about 19 years in

「ポイントはそれぞれ違った構造をつくってるーーではなく、人間が意識して構造をつくってないということ！」

The second half is confusing me. "Humans aren't creating structures conciously" I think? Would like a second opinion though.

From the 構造主義 chapter of まんがで学ぶ 哲学入門

>>142568955
Does 意識して look like an adverb to you?

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>>142567394
This is really weird. Just today I learned about the treachery of images and now you posted this.

>>142568979
Uh...no?

>>142569039
Then "consciously" would probably not be a good literal interpretation.

>>142568635
What if the guy reading Dies Irae doesn't care if he fits under your definition of "reading Japanese" and just enjoys reading it, huh?
It's a work of fiction, not some fucking benchmark.

Fuck man, I'm downloading it right now and going to misunderstand the shit out of it with my puny text hooker and underdeveloped reading comprehension just for you.

>>142569059
Mind giving your own literal interpretation?

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>生意気
>生息

>>142569095
im literally gay

>>142569095
---But no, it's not that people are making structures at a conscious level.

>>142569269
賛成
>>142569321
Thanks

>>142569074
sup komeiji

>>142569817
komeiji already read dies afaik

Why is it that some hotkeys in moon applications just don't match the hotkey displayed in the menu? Are they referring to a different kind of keyboard?

>>142566208
Wait, so is the translation for line 4 correct then?

I thought she was talking about herself seeming "heavy" for asking about difficult stuff. That whole line just confuses me.

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What is your family like, /djt/?

>>142571094
I haven't seen either of my two brothers in years, nor my father who was divorced when I was 11. I am soon moving out and cutting all contact to my mother as well since she's a pretty destructive narcissist.

So yeah, non-existent. At least I have my waifu...

>>142571094
微妙

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Am I the only one getting tried of the retarded example sentences of DOJG?

>>142571199
How is that retarded?

>>142571249
99% of the people will have to look up the very first word, which already throws you off.
It's also way too long to illustrate a single grammatical concept, the word 言わば which it's an example for is lost in the wall of text.

>>142570353
Maybe you should first worry about transcribing it correctly

>>142570353
Seems right to me (I'm the one who wrote that):

> ガチも嫌かいな事とか普通に重いって思われちゃいますよ
My literal take: about these serious and unpleasant things; they usually end up seeming like "it's heavy/grave/important"

Seems to fit the meaning of:
> Asking him to do something that's actually hard would just scare him off.

Of course, assuming she's referring to herself in sentences 2-3, that still makes sense, since she isn't talking about him there, but speaking about "these serious/unpleasant like-things" give the impression of being too "heavy" (and you infer that's what she was going to ask, hence the translation).

>>142568377
Many thanks, I found it's usually used with を that's omitted in that sentence, that's why I couldn't find it at first...

>>142571161
What job do you have? I also want to move out.

ワイフと一緒なら大丈夫だ。

>>142571588
None yet. Where I'm from state provides welfare for cases like mine. Though I'm gonna be looking for one in the new city, not sure yet what I can do without any qualifications. Probably some office job.

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>>142571674
I don't know, even baby-tier starter jobs require a degree. It's not fucking fair. I swear, if companies actually bothered to train people the unemployment rate wouldn't be so high.

働きたいなぁ。するとワイフの品物を買えるんだ。

雹

おおぉ～

>>142568813
Where is this interview from?

>>142572400
It's moogy's ask.fm

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Wow! What a super useful word!

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How long did it take you to memorize hira and kata?
>after 12 weeks of Japanese 1 people still can't read hiragana nor katakana
I refuse to believe there are people this stupid, but there are.

盛者必衰
what's even the point of it all

>>142570353
>>142571418
Also, it's not
ガチも嫌かいな事とか
it's
ガチも厄介な事とか

>>142572514
3 hours realkana for hira, 2.5ish for kata.

>>142572504
Considering how much of a massive role public transport plays in Japan, that is a pretty useful word, not to mention it's made up of common as fuck kanji and has a predictable reading, not much room to complain

買っている
勝っている・克っている
飼っている
狩っている
刈っている・苅っている・穫っている
駆っている
借っている
交っている
駈っている
支っている
etc

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>>142572504
It is

>>142572562
I'd love to know what you people consider "memorize" to mean

>>142572514
>I refuse to believe there are people this stupid, but there are.
Okay. Is feigning superiority over these people the only way you can cope with being stuck in your own studies?

>>142572627
took me about a week and a half, and I have no memory

>>142572627
Be able to read kana-only phrases very slowly but accurately. Admittedly, ぬ fucked me up for a while

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>>142572418
Thanks

>>142572719
I'm not that guy but Island is easy as fuk

>>142572679
yes, feigning superiority does feel good. But I althought felt disappointed that the people are not trying hard enough to be learn. Theses normies don't appreciate that their community college has Japanese class with authentic Japanese sensei when my regular college only has Chinese.

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>not learning japanese from cute girls

"I'm a stupid fuck that's going to try reading without even knowing like ten words or finishing the basics section of Tae Kim":
Hanahira
Axanael

"I'm a beginner":
Any normal moege. Even ones with EPIC TWISTS are fine as long as they start out simple and don't turn into pretentious schlock.

"I want to start reading harder material":
Steampunk, Ley Line, etc. Pick a normal story game that isn't targeted at a specific demographic. If you pick one that's meant for a specific demographic it's probably going to have a lot of writing problems.

"Just fuck my shit up":
Genji. Get crackin'.

>>142572514

an afternoon for each, and that was me taking it slowly

>>142572868
To be fair Axanael is probably more compelling than any of those moege.

Is there any good short visual novels (good meaning not fucking nukige). I don't care about difficulty as I am already fluent, but the one VN I played years ago was boring as fuck after I finished 1 route, but I forced myself to go back and do all of the routes. I never read another one after that. And no I will not just read 1 route and stop because I have aspergers (literally).

>>142573066
seabed

>>142572916
I know, right?

>>142573066
Muramasa

>>142573066
>good
>short
>not nukige
heh

>>142572826
>the people are not trying hard enough to be learn
The person who takes time out of his own studies to sadistically bash people only a step behind him is trying less if even at all.
>normies
fuck off

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>>142573156
I don't think you know what that means.

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>>142572844
>3D girls

Adorable Japanese normies are still normies

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>>142573218
Idols get paid to play a character though. They get fired and shamed out of the industry if they fuck up. I'm not talking about "real girls".

>>142572627
I also needed like 3 hours for Hiragana, I just kept going at it until I was right like 200 times in a row on realkana. Then I did it again the next day, ironed out the couple ones I forgot in like half an hour and was done with it.
Katakana I just did here and there while starting core and reading Tae Kim.

>>142573263
Someone doesn't stop being a real person just because they're pretending to be a real person that doesn't exist.

>>142573145
but I wanted to see and help fellow weebs learn and get good at Japanese. Instead all I got are normies taking the class for the novelty and didn't learn nor memorize a damn thing at the end.

>>142572504

If you want help remembering it, just listen to Mawaru Penguindrum OP 2.

(0:52) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB2sow7tbJ8

Fucking love that part, so many っs. とっきゅうれっしゃのっちゃって

>>142573263
い、いやらしい

Almost had a stroke watching that webm

>>142573266
Fuck me why do I keep capitalizing hira and katakana

>>142573295
>とっきゅうれっしゃのっちゃって
Damn that's comfy

>>142572683
>Admittedly, ぬ fucked me up for a while
Bruh. You gotta learn the trick of the "menu". They look the same, but the desert(nu) curves at the end.
I think that was my holy grail as far as mnemonics are concerned while studying Japanese.

>>142573295
Etsuko Yakushimaru is perfection. I'm not the guy to download and hoard music or whatever but I have a folder just for her. Her voice is literally exactly my shit.

>>142573482
Where's the intuitiveness in a curving dessert?

>>142573263
That sounds a lot more disgusting to me than plain regular 3D girl, to be honest.

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>>142573291
Yes they do. You are not allowed to be with guys at all. If you are caught you are fired and publicly shamed, simple as that.

>>142573482

Years ago, I kept め and ぬ straight by screaming "NU PRETZEL NU PRETZEL NU PRETZEL" at myself over and over. It worked eventually but I ended up quitting learning the language on that attempt anyway. If only I had just started reading instead.

>>142573482
that's retarded
なにぬねの
notice how everything but に contains a loop

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>>142573589
You're posting on /a/, idol girls just play the role of an anime girl irl.

>>142573598
Nothing you just said means that they stop being a real person. A fake real person is still a real person. Now if you had a real fake person that would be something else, but you don't.

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>>142573646
I don't know what you mean. Do you also not like anime because they are fake?

>>142573696
>I don't know what you mean.
Maybe consider learning english properly.
>Do you also not like anime because they are fake?
Anime characters are real fake people, not fake real people.

How well should I know a chapter/lesson of Tae Kim before moving on to the next one? I'm so frustrated because I can't completely memorize some of these concepts. There aren't a lot of examples provided for each piece of grammar and I don't know where to find more. Now I'm thinking that it might be better to just get the general idea of a concept and master it later on when I start to read or whatever.

>>142573696
He never said he dislikes fake people, are you even trying to comprehend others posts?

>>142573757
Skim over them. As long as you understand the example sentences you're fine. Come back to the grammar points you don't completely remember once you encounter them while reading.

きみの瞳に映る わたしは何色ですか

赤深き望むなら 渡そう陽の光を~

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>>142573740
>>142573760
ESL please go.

>>142564836
I think the first VN I read in Japanese was the first arc of Higurashi, but damned if I remember when that was.

>>142573639
To me there's a clear line between a fictional character and a person that's paid to be a hypocrite 24/7.
I'm fine with a honest shitty person, and a shitty person that acts like a nice one seems a lot more pig disgusting to me.

>>142573757
>it might be better to just get the general idea of a concept and master it later on when I start to read or whatever
Yeah, that's the idea. That's the only way the stuff is going to stick anyway.
If you thought you were going to master a grammar concept just by reading a couple paragraphs about it on Tae Kim's website then you were wrong.

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>>142573544

I like the cut of your jib. I'd kabedon you any day.

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>>142573879
I'm pretty sure most people know that idols are playing a character though. Real teen females do not give up sucking dick all by themselves.

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>>142573932
I think you have the wrong idea, I'm not talking about jr. idol pedo shit.

>>142573831
Did you play Underwater Ray Romano, anon?

>>142573802
>>142573905
Thanks, that's a pretty big weight off my 肩

>>142572514
3 days, learning them concurrently column-by-column. But I was drilled some Chinese as a kid, which helped with a few of the katakana and general stroke order instincts.

With kanji it's even more helpful, but also weird and slow because I'm trying to learn the Chinese in parallel, and the meanings/usages are often a bit different. Plus it's fucking horrifying that kanji can have different pronunciations in different words (e.g. 日, 今日, 明日).

Why isn't ITH not working for WA2?

>>142574203
Those are unique examples, you shouldn't think of their readings as readings for the kanji but rather for the whole word.
Something like 素直 vs. 素質 is a better example since そ and す are both common onyomi for 素. Most kanji only have 1-3 different ones, and it's pretty hard to forget how to read words like that once you've heard them a few times.

>>142573840
Pretty sure I'm not the ESL here considering I know the difference between a real person and one who's not.

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>>142573581
Ice cream. Or poop, if you prefer. That comes after eating too.

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wonder why ESL is such a big buzzword in a thread that has nothing
nothing
to do with learning fucking english

>>142574687
In order to learn Japanese you must first become fluent in English, because all the Japanese learning materials are in English.

>>142573598

Well in モーニング娘 they used to let them just graduate and get on with their lives, until 加護亜依 just decided to start fucking this 37 year old when she was like 16.

>too tired to do my reps
>hit skip today's reviews

Another productive day.

>>142575032
If I don't feel like doing my reps I usually just hold space bar through them, that way I don't have them piling up. It's enough to do your reps seriously once every two days or so.

>>142575032
お疲れ

>>142575032
>>hit skip today's reviews

theres a button for this?

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>>142575032
>>142575130
>too tired to do my reps
>It's enough to do your reps seriously once every two days or so

absolutely disgusting. i'm going to go vomit now

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>>142575130
>I usually just hold space bar through them
The absolute madman

>>142575207
You really don't need to do your reps every day, nerd boy. I hope you at least skip friday, saturday and sunday and go out partying or something instead of studying. 4 days a week is more than enough.

>>142575207
he's not wrong (two days is the limit of most peoples' short manual memory) he's just lazy and will probably not learn japanese

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>>142575207
I'm glad he wasn't my teacher. He would have torn me apart.

>>142575252
>two days is the limit of most peoples' short manual memory
sorry I should have said
>the end of the second day after something happens

so not 48 hours, but "before the third time you go to sleep after last being exposed to something"

>>142574605
素麺isそう

>>142573066
Saya no Uta is pretty short.

此は、羸

>It's a card where the sentence sound has the person shouting
Who on earth thought this was a good idea.

>>142573066
You should just read Muramasa or Baldr Sky

They aren't short but if you play them and don't like them you can be pretty sure that you just don't like VNs.

For something medium length, try JQV

>>142575646
>he downloaded worthless images and voice
Why did you think this was a good idea?

>>142575646
>重宝

What was your schedule learning when you first started on vocab/grammar?

>>142575729
If you don't see the benefit of hearing sentences then I feel bad for you, but you're a retard talking about images when nobody mentioned them so I don't feel that bad.

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>>142575729
>he downloaded worthless images and voice
>implying the voices are worthless

何 the fuck are you talking about?

>>142575868
>>142575943
It's worthless. The sentences are spoken extremely unnaturally.
If you want listening practice, find some variety show on youtube and you'll see the difference.

>>142564836
Tried and finished Baldr Sky at just under 3 years. Ended up taking me more time to finish than it probably should have, though.

>>142575130
i do this all the time with my kanji deck

too many reps and it takes me several times longer to recall whereas with vocab i either get it or dont the instant i look at it

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>>142576029
>tfw was gonna try and argue but you're correct

>>142572868
>Genji
Is this the PC-98 game?

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Hey /dpt/ can you tell me what does it say in the more-or-less wall of kanji in this page?
I think they are talking about sex positions but am not really sure.

pls respons

>>142572868
I support this guide

How am I going to get excited to read something when the act of looking up words tires me out before anything compelling has happened?

>>142577676
You read something where you don't have to look up words

>>142575848
Do core6k & kanjidamage decks everyday.

Did 50 a day each for the first week, because they were easy. Then did 20 new cards for core & 40 new cards for KD a day.

Started Tae Kim around 200 cards through core.

I haven't even gotten halfway through TK and I'm at 1200 cards, I swear I'll do it

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>>142577440
>つばめ返し
Pretty sure she's talking about Assassin's special attack from Fate/Stay night.

>>142577758
I'm at 3500 cards and I'm still only halfway through Tae Kim. Maybe I'll finish it one day.

>>142577776

anon pls

>>142577776
Don't forget the 二つ巴 before, so it's like the assassin's move but two tomoes stronger!

>>142577440
I haven't googled (and I won't) but she seems to be blabbering random (position/move?) names, like "The Lion Dance", "Ties of Obligation", "The Violent Hand Mill" (wtf?), "Kikuichimonji" (yeah, the sword), etc

I'm no sex expert but those doesn't seem real.

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While going through Tae Kim, how do I make sure I retain all the information being thrown at me? It seems like I'm just going "yeah, I understand this" but not actually commiting it to memory.

>>142578298
>It seems like I'm just going "yeah, I understand this" but not actually commiting it to memory.
Good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40

>>142578086

Thats why am asking, its something Yuuko would come up with so guess I got it right

>>142578298
That's why any real grammar resource gives you opportunity to practice what you learned, like Genki's workbooks. If you just read it once of course you will forget it. Tae Kim is a meme, it won't teach you shit just like reading a dictionary once won't teach you vocab.

>>142578298
I have a good suggestion for you.
Humans, like monkeys, can learn things efficiently through the scientifically proven method of beating.

What you do is: attempt to read something.
Whenever you don't remember a word or kanji, heck, even if it's the first time, punch yourself in the face or the gut. Or kick the wall with your toes. Stabbing a nail in your skin also works.

After a week or so, you'll notice that your body will sweat profusely whenever you're reading something you think you might not know, and the physical punishment will trigger your brain to improve your ability to retain short term memory, like dogs shitting in the correct place.

This is a guaranteed method of training, I tested with dogs, monkeys and my brother with 100% accuracy so far.

>>142573639
Is that supposed to be difficult?

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>>142578525
Yes

>>142578551
I just tried and I can do it easily, even though I'm a NEET of several years and spend all day hunched over in a chair.

>>142578509
What if I'm masochistic and pain only makes my dick harder?

>>142578298
only way to retain it is by reading

>>142578298
Don't read Tae Kim and watch anime instead

>>142578551
why do the japs just leave their piss jugs out in the open like that?

>>142578742
They let it ferment in the warm room and drink it later

>>142578889
i do that with my cum actually

If I watch every episode of gintama raw will I be fluent by the end?

>>142579630
yes

>>142579630
no

>>142579630
多分

>>142579630
確率は低い

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>Not even half way to 2K
That growing dark green is what keeps me going.

>>142568813
There's a guy who used to post here who only read eroge for 4 years or so. Finally (just for shits and giggles) he signed up for N1, got an N1 study book a few weeks before the test, went in and scored 178/180 easily.

I think the guys who keep spreading this "even the Japanese have trouble with N1" are either talking to retard japs or (more likely) were lied to by overly-polite japanese.

>>142580044
Japs don't have problems with N1.
They have problems with kanken 1, which is an entirely different test.

>>142580044
It's not that it's hard, it's that you have to actually know japanese. People who go through classes and don't consume enough media won't actually have a good enough understanding of the language to pass comprehension tests. I have a friend that lives in japan that's teaching english (笑) that's only N3, still lazily memorizes new vocab with anki and all, but he's definitely /fluent/. The N2/N1 are biased strongly towards comprehension rather than approximate fluidity, and you reach approximate fluidity before comprehension if you use the language, hence people who "know japanese" that can't pass N2/N1.

What's the best image viewer for reading mango on Linux?

I've been using gpicview as my image viewer for a long time but it's shit for manga. Every time you turn a page, it starts you off half way through the next one rather than at the top of it. Aside from that, there's no functionality to, for instance, read two pages side by side.

How does windows sort files names written in Japanese?

I name my weeb stuff in the original Japanese characters (along side ones with English titles), but I don't really get the order that they're in.

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>RTK raised prices $5 overnight on Google Play
What the shit? I was planning to use my expiring book credits on it, but now they "just happen" to cancel it out? I smell a rat.

Plus I happened on a PDF version that scales much better on my tablet, whereas the official version has godawful font rendering for some reason. I was still going to buy it as a goodwill gesture, but now the price bump's rustled my jimmies, and I'll have to think about it.

>>142580746
Buy some book in Japanese with that credit instead.

>>142580746
>RTK
Why do people still fall for this meme?

>>142580746
You know it's in the CoR already?

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What does this mean?

>>142581038
it wants you to insert the disk. you probably need to mount a certain file to fool it.

>>142581162
Hmm, that's what I thought it said but I don't understand why. The pack I got only came with one disk I believe.

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くしゃみでそう

おにいちゃんハンカチかティッシュとって

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is core2k wrong or is jisho

>>142581619
neither
あんな
あX category of Xんあ reflexes (versus こんな・そんな・どんな)
に
adverbial

>>142581619
Damn Core2k is such a downer sometimes.

>>142581706
w0t

I have anki decks for jlpt3 vocab, elementary school level kanji (1000+), and a google doc i made over some 1500-2000 words ive collected over a few years from various sources including real life experience in japan and also meticulously taking out whatever words i dont know from multiple textbooks and the jlpt5 and 4.

I have it in mind to grind through the entirity of jlpt3 vocab list as well as the kanji deck and later jlpt2 and add ll the words i dont know into my doc, then make one giant deck purely consisting of words/phrases.i dont know.


Would this be effective or am i going to too much trouble to make something that is ultimately not much more helpful or even worse for some reason?

>>142581762
> over a few years
>from multiple textbooks and the jlpt5 and 4.
Maybe it's time to start reading.

>>142581762
Vocab you gathered yourself is good, put that into anki. The rest is dumb.
Get better mining setup than a fucking google doc, start reading more and collect more vocab.

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will my reading comprehension really get better if i read more

Is there another way to write ん + なにぬねの in an IME other then typing n 3 times? It feels kind of awkward.

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What do these buttons mean? I'm the same VN guy, but I found out that I need a NoDVD Patch. I downloaded this but it's in Chinese.

>>142581756
Okay, try learning basic japanese grammar before using shared vocab decks.

>>142582062
If you're on linux and you use anthy, yes.
https://gist.github.com/wareya/97b83e81658d44760529

>>142581883
Truly. Epic.


I know 99% if everything on 5 and 4 and basic level textbooks. I priortized finding anything i didnt learn in them oyt of the idea that the most widely used and need-to-know words would ve at those levels, so i do not find the act of going through them a waste of time.

>>142581906
I have been rwading and watching/playing shiws, anime, games, etc. Ive just put all those words in my doc.

Maybe theres a better tool, but i just like using docs


I didnt kbow if i should divide up the huge list im envisioning into smaller decks oe not, or perhaps leaving in words i do know just for pacing and review

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>>142582045
no it'll get better if you read less. come on anon

>>142582062
>>142582165
You can form ん with n+apostrophe. So you could do that with n'na which at least feels a little more natural than nnna

>>142582341
Yeah, it's also faster to hit n'n than nnn. However if they happen to be on linux on anthy, this is the ideal solution.

>>142580912
I like how it presents the kanji in an order that builds on itself. Otherwise I'd probably be trying to learn radicals without getting a taste of how they fit together until later.

>>142581020
...Oh, now I see it. It isn't in the CoR linked from the top page, but it's in the CoR linked in the Guide Resource List. (The download keeps getting "temporary error" though--Wait, there it goes. Ooh, nice trim margins on this version. Thanks!)

On the topic of input how do you type small あ、い、う etc?

>>142582429
>Otherwise I'd probably be trying to learn radicals without getting a taste of how they fit together until later.
most radicals actually contain other radicals

>>142582341
Thanks, the apostrophy feels better to type.

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Be sure to write it properly.

>>142582450
la, xa, or sometimes _a on obscure IMEs.
>>142582464
What's the chinese stroke order?

>>142582450
press x then the letter.

>>142580746
get the app "Kanji Study"/
not only does it let you study keyword->kanji,
you can also study vocab->kanji and sentence->kanji (in these latter two modes, you fill in the right kanji yourself)

pretty much shits on RTK in every way.

>>142582450
xa, xi, xu
ぁぃぅ

Why does every fucking VN that I download almost never work, or it's a pain in the ass to download. All I wanted to do was read Eustia.

>>142582303
>I priortized finding anything i didnt learn in them oyt of the idea that the most widely used and need-to-know words would ve at those levels
Most widely used and need-to-know words could be found by reading absolutely anything, or else they wouldn't be widely used

>I didnt kbow if i should divide up the huge list im envisioning into smaller decks oe not
You don't need a huge list, just one vocab deck where you dump everything.

>>142582533
You could also type la li lu le lo

>>142582556
Possible causes:
-you are using windows 10
-you don't have your date/locale set to japanese
-you don't know how do use computers

>>142582556
you can bypass the DVD check by hex editing BGI.exe as follows:

00364675 : C3 70 82 → 50 05 84

(change the value at address 00364675 from C3 70 82 to 50 05 84)

>>142582620
The Patriots?!

>>142582662
If you've never used a hex editor before, use HxD. It has the least unintuitive interface among usable windows hex editors.

>>142582499
More reasonable.
http://www.yellowbridge.com/chinese/character-stroke-order.php?word=%E5%8D%8D

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Translate it, weebs.

Where do you guys talk about japanese besides 4chan? Is Moogy's chat still active?

>>142582664
Maybe I should try to replay metal gears in Japanese some day. It would probably feel very different.

>>142582562
>You don't need a huge list, just one vocab deck where you dump everything.
Yeah, thats what I mean to say.
Wasn't sure if thats the way most people do it or not...

>>142582834
I imagine it would be quite different. I heard that in 'the first game', i forget furst mf or first mgs, that the usage of military or military like terms such as OSP were added in by localization.

>>142582818
That phrase is obviously too deep to be expressed by a peasant language such as English.

>>142582818
二深四汝

>>142582752
Huh, the link doesn't work, just go to strokes tab. http://www.yellowbridge.com/chinese/charsearch.php?zi=%E5%8D%8D

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>>142582662
I don't see a 00364675, only 00364670 and a 00364680

>>142582818
A pathetic attempt by an incompetent writer to sound deep?

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>>142576990
>>142576029
nah fuck that, the voices are perfect. i'd rather listen to an actual native say everything out loud than do it myself. it is slow and unnatural but it still helps when you're just starting out

>>142583227
Never mind, I see it now that I posted it.

>>142582818
The pleasures of being looks at inside.

Hiw would you explain the differences between look, see, and watch to a Japanese person?

Hard and difficult?

A and the?

Going to and will ?

>>142582818
"The excluded laughter was not laughing. An appearance not show just like it's being show."

That's why some people can NOT be allowed to write.

>>142582662
Are there also bypasses of this kind for other August games (namely, Daitoshokan)? Hex editing seems like a much better method than using that wacky alpharom patcher

>>142583532
Why not?
Sound like regular yuri bullshit to me. Just because it looks like ass in English doesn't mean it's terrible.

>>142583469
"read more until you get it, nihonjin boya"

>>142583469
With furigana?

>>142582620
ぉｌ
ぇｌ

How do I read faster? Is it just more continued exposure?

>>142583469
>look
様子
>see
見る
>watch
時計

>Hard
堅い
>difficult
難しい

>Going to
へ行く
>will
意思

>>142583648
-------------------------- Joke
---------------------
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You

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おにいちゃんおなかいたい

たいいくけんがくしてもいいですか

>>142582119
Drag the .exe of the game you want cracked into the box.

>>142583469
I couldn't explain the difference between "going to" and "will" to myself

>>142583588
Not sure. I just searched "Eustia BGI.exe" and found that solution.

>>142583874
体育なんかどうでもいい
痛いなら浣腸しょう
ほら四つん這いになれ

>>142582119
>Chinese
This is perfectly readable Japanese, may as well give up if you can't read this.

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>>142584043
そういう痛いじゃないから

>>142584175
>您

>>142581038
I had the same problem.
See the comments on http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=46664
specifically the last one has the patch that fixes it.

>>142584436
どういう痛いなら
初潮きたかい？
祝い準備しようぜ

What's the best Genki 2 Anki deck?

I think I will post a passage of JP every day. If you can read this, you can read Japanese.

1 結婚と仕事

26歳の会社員です。三歳年上の彼がいます。彼は大学時代の先輩で、六年付き合っています。　このごろ、彼は「早く結婚したい」と言っていました。　彼はやさしい、仕事もできるし、私も結婚したいと思っています。　でも、彼は東京にすんでいて、私は大阪に住んでいます。　彼は今の仕事をやめられないと言っています。　私もやめたくありません。　私が仕事をやめて東京に行ったほうがいいんでしょうか。　彼をあいしています。

2 日本語が上手にならない

カナダ人の留学生です。　日本の大学で勉強しています。私の悩みは日本語です。　今、日本人のホストファミリーと住んでいます。　家族は親切ですが、みんなは私と英語をはなしたがっています。　だから、私は「英語をはなさなきゃ」と思って、英語を話します。　学校に日本人の友だちがたくさんありますが、みんなの英語は私の日本語より上手です。　だから、たいてい英語を使います。　買い物の時も「すみません。あの、これください」と日本語で言いますが、お店のひとは「ツーハンドレッドエンね。サンキュー！」と英語で言います。　もう六か月も日本にいますが、ぜんぜん日本語が上手になりません。　どうしたらいいでしょうか。

3. 飛行機がきらい

私は子供の時から飛行機がいらいです。　去年、父親が急に病気になったので、飛行機で北海道に帰らなければいけませんでした。　その時、気分が悪くて大変でした。　実は、三か月後に会社の出張でブラジルに行くんですが、日本からサンパウロまで27時間ぐらい飛行機に乗っていなければいけません。　どうしたらいいでしょうか。　アドバイスをお願いします。

>>142583588
What have you got against the patcher, it's like the easiest thing in the world to use (I'm reading Daitoshokan too):
1. Run AlphaROMdiE.exe
2. Locate the BGI.exe in the game folder where you install the game
3. Drag and Drop the BGI.exe to the interface of AlphaROMdiE.exe
4. Click yes when being prompted twice (it means to create shortcut and to run the game or not, respectively)
5. The game should launch itself now. Enjoy
Note: You will see the new shortcut created in the game folder. Please use this shortcut instead everytime you play the game.

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I have my kana down pat at this point but I don't know what I should focus on next. I might go with the core 2k deck and work on my vocab while doing some kanjidamage on the side, since trying to focus on kanji right now is a bit overwhelming.

>>142584932
I know how to use the patcher and it works properly, just that the generated shortcut looks really spooky when I look at its Properties. I'm paranoid when it comes to cracks/patchers

>>142584833
You liar. I can read all of this and my moege are still fucking me in the butt

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>>142584985
whatever you do, dont forget
you're here forever!

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>tried reading yotsubato 3 months ago and could barely understand it
>tried it again just now and i understand everything

amen to progress

>>142584833
>If you can read this, you can read Japanese.
You mean "if you can read this, you can read textbook Japanese".
Here's some real shit, if you can read this you can read Japanese for real:
僕は見知らぬ公園のベンチに座っていた。馬鹿みたいに青い空を、馬鹿みたいに見上げながら、さして何をするでもなく、見知らぬ公園のベンチに座っていた。見知らぬどころか聞いたこともない、そこは、公園だった。
　浪白公園と、入り口にはあった。
　それが『なみしろ』と読むのか『ろうはく』と読むのか、あるいはもっと他の読み方をするものなのか、僕にはまるでわからない。何に由来するものなのかも、だから当然、わからない。勿論、そんなことがわからなかったからといって、どうということもない。何の問題も生じない。僕は確固たる目的があってその公園に来たわけではなく、ただ単に、でたらめに、気分気ままに足の向くままにマウンテンバイクで駆けていたら、その公園に行き着いてしまったという、あくまでそれだけのことなのだから。
　来訪と到着との違い。
　当人の僕以外には、同じことなのだろうけれど。

>>142585232
Congrats anon

>>142584722
Is Genki 2 even worth doing? I'm starting to think I should just move on to doing Core.

>>142584985
I find kanji study to be far easier. I'm 90+% correct in all 3 categories at 40 cards a day on my KD deck. Half way through it and would have been done by now if I didn't do the production cards.

Core6k deck is low 80s at 20 cards a day and I flunk mature cards more often.

I think you're just overestimating how hard it is. Try doing both decks at the same time and if you can't manage that then come back to KD later.

>>142585232
i know that feel, kinda

>>142582429
>nice trim margins on this version.
On the downside, the paragraphs are wider, effectively making the text smaller. It's just barely readable on my--Wait a minute. Sweet, landscape mode works perfectly with the wide format.

>>142582520
Thanks for the tip.

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Two quick questions.

用が入った here means "business came up", right?
>She said she's not coming because business came up
That definition isn't given on jisho for 入る but I can't think what else it could mean.

Second, why is he using the feminine わ sentence ending (だめだわ)?

>>142585507
How'd you approach learning the kanji? By just using KD and the anki deck or by writing it down? I mostly used anki and realkana to burn the kana into my brain since writing by rote doesn't help me much, but it's a bit trickier to do that using KD's anki deck.

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>>142586198
>だめ＋です＋わ
は女言葉になるよ

「だめだわ」は男言葉だよ。なんでそうかんじるかはわからないわ

>>142584833
つまんなそうだから読まない
もっと面白いのないかな

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>>142585233
> if you can read this you can read Japanese for real:
You mean "if you can read this you can read comic book japanese"

Here's some real shit

>>142586370
>「だめだわ」は男言葉だよ。なんでそうかんじるかはわからないわ
わのまえのだのせいとおもうわ

どうしてHello Talkで俺と話したい人ない？

A character is talking to her pet ferret and thinking about something.
>そして何やら考え込むように、視線をあちこちに巡らせた。


What does -you ni mean here ?
Also, why is めぐる in the causative form?

>>142586255
I just use the KD anki deck. For the recognition cards just focus on the meaning of the kanji. The mnemonics it provides are ok, but you will find shitty ones that you either need to make your own or brute force it. You're not trying to learn the on & kun readings. That's what core6k is for. However once I've learned the kunyomi and a couple jukugo that use a kanji, in the core6k deck. Any time that kanji card comes up in KD I look over it a bit more (it sometimes provides a mnemonic to remember the on reading).

It's up to you on whether or not to do the production cards. It has the stroke order on the card, but I don't follow it half the time. I write the kanji, because it helps with retention. Not because I'm going to be writing kanji in the future.

>>142586804
ちゃんとプロフ書いた？
俺は最初は全然メッセージしてもらえなかったけど
二週間くらいたてばどんどんくるようになってレスするのがしんどくなって結局やめた

それに同じつまんねえ話何回もやらされるとさすがにめんどくさくなるよね

>>142586808

>What does -you ni mean here ?
tae kim
>Also, why is めぐる in the causative form?
視線を巡らしているからだ

>>142586808
"and then, as if he was pondering something, his eyes shot back and forth"

>>142586808
巡る is intransitive so you have to use the causitive if you want to say you made something circle around

ように means ように, it's pretty basic shit
よう plus に to make it adverbial

>>142586841
Okay, thanks a lot anon. The on and kun readings have been tripping me up and making it harder, so that's great to hear. I'll take your advice and hit it again, and maybe try out Remembering the Kanji. But anki has done well for me so far so I'll keep focusing on that. Thanks again.

>>142586891
>ちゃんとプロフ書いた？
俺のプロフが問題ないって思う。４ヶ月くらい前よくメッセージしてもらったけど最近どんどんこうなったんだ。

>didn't see かわや in like the first 5 years of learning japanese
>seen it like 50 times in the last year

>>142578509
Share your dog's kanji grid if he's so great.

>>142587142
>>142586891
>それに同じつまんねえ話何回もやらされるとさすがにめんどくさくなるよね

やっぱり日本人つまらない

とにかく、Momentsが問題だと思う。
言語相手を探すことの代わりに誰もそこで練習するよね

>>142578509
Punching yourself doesn't work because you have control over the punishment. You need someone else to hit you.

>>142586992
If you still early on in KD come up with a new mnemonic for kou or koku. Having them as almost the exact same thing fucked me up so much and is my biggest complaint about the deck.

>>142587304
Do you also know くりや and うまや?

>>142587650
Umaya yes but not kuriya

>>142587380
>とにかく、Momentsが問題だと思う。
>言語相手を探すことの代わりに誰もそこで練習するよね

I have 0 idea what you're trying to say

>>142578509
but it only works on dogs, monkeys and your brother?
can i hit my sister and see if it works for me?

>>142587960
For sisters you need to give them the dick instead of hitting them

>>142588147
What about hitting them with the dick?

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I'm using Jade Reader to save words into a .txt file, but it comes out like this. Won't import through Anki or Epwing2Anki. Is there someway to fix it besides getting rid of the english?

>>142588320
>notepad

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>it's taken me an hour and half to read 20 pages of yotsuba
>still only half way through the first chapter

>>142564836
Finished Danganronpa 2 after like 1 year and some months of studying.

>>142588468
Just keep persisting anon. It will get easier and then you will be able to read stuff no problem.

>>142588468
Doing better than me.

>>142588320
Do you have Rikaisama auto import set up? If so just open the text file in Firefox, hover over each word and hit R.

>>142588468
it'll feel worse when it takes you an hour and a half to read 6 pages of an LN

>>142588610
Huh, I forgot about that. Thanks.

>>142588468
Managed to finish the chapter, turned out the rest was quite a bit easier for whatever reason so I got through it much quicker.

>>142588505
Thanks for the encouragement.

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For practice, let's translate this manga.

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>>142589254

>>142589254
No

>>142589254
disgusting

>>142586804
俺と話すか？
日本人やで

>>142589421
お前みたいなキモオタと話したい人がいるか
女と話したい

>>142589477
女の方もお前みたいなキモオタとは話したくないぞ

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>>142589550
日本女は白人と分かるとすぐチンポ見せてと言う
日本人のチンポで満足できない女の夢を叶えてやるんだ

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a necrophilic is walking along the road, spots a young female corpse and says 'what a waist'

>>142589685
女の振りをしたホモだぞ

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>>142589879
悔しいかな？

>>142589685
何なんだその奇形の「直」