Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1565

おそっ

Why's Anki so SLOW at uploading media?

>>142472938
Because your internet connection is slow at uploading media. Amazing, I know, right?

初心者なら諦めて

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おはよう

>>142473303
撫でたい

みんな死ねばいいのに

>>142473551
>I can write some generic anime lines, everyone look at me

>>142473551
It'd be best if only you did.

Why's doing your reps through ankiweb so much more fun that using the client?

>>142473551
はい、アノン様
＊刀を抜き放っています＊

>>142472960
It's not this bloody slow, though. My real upload speed should be like a meg a second, but I'm getting less than a quarter of that.

>>142474237
1 Mbps = 0.125 MBps
<1/4 ww

>>142474398
It's 10 megabits, actually.

>>142474490
Slower than I though

>>142474867
Fucking fight me.

>>142473695
みんな日本であればいいのに

>>142475169
われわれわわ人

If you can read this, you understand Japanese.

私は日本料理が大好きです。特にすき焼きや焼き鳥が好きです。国では日本料理は安くないから、あまり食べられませんでした。今、毎日食べられるので、とても嬉しいです。日本にはめずらしい食べ物がたくさんあります。国では、うめぼし、のりなどを見たことも聞いたこともありませんでした。私はめずらしい物に興味があるので、おいしそうな食べ物は、なんでも食べてみます。

ある日、ホストファミリーと晩ご飯を食べに行きました。なべの中に野菜や肉がたくさんありました。私は「これは何の肉？鳥の肉？」とききました。お父さんは「食べてみて。おいしいから」と言いました。「どう？おいしい？」「はい、とてｔも。でも、何ですか？」みんなはニヤニヤして、何も言いません。私はちょっと不安になりました。でも、おなかがすいていたし、おいしかったので、たくさん食べました。「ごちそうさま」「エイミーさん、実は、これはすっぽんですよ」「すっぽん？」「すっぽんはかめです」「えっ！。。。」私は気分が悪くなりました。お父さんはすっぽんは体によくて、高い食べ物だと言っていました。

これは一生に一度のとてもおもしろい経験でした。国に帰って、友だちに「かめを食べたことがある」と言えます。かめはおいしかったです。でも、やっぱり、もうかめをたべたくありません。

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>>142476316

>>142476316
I just read the first few sentences but is this supposed to be hard?

>>142476742
>all these rare kanjis
>not hard
mining every third word here

>>142476742
About as easy as your mom.

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>it's a 沼田くん episode

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I don't want to do my reps, they are waiting for me...

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>>142477108
i hated those ones

>>142477108
I'll take 下 over 受 and 出 words any day of the week

>>142477108
>Core

Not even once

>>142477478
>not doing the most efficient way of memorizing basic vocab
Why

>>142477693
Can't imagine core is the most efficient way, just the most common one

The fact that it throws all those 下 words at you at once is just one of the ways that it's definitely not the most efficient

>>142476316
If you can read this you might be able to pass N3

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どんな人だと思いますか。

>>142477896
I'd rather see all of them at once than getting confused by them later. They're extremely common so it isn't that hard to get down.

Just curious what do you think is more efficient?

>>142477963
I actually got it from my Genki II pack. I just wanted beginners to feel good.

>>142478017
Not that guy but, personally I only memorized their readings based on the okurigana but I'm not sure I really know the meanings of all the individual 上/下 words, probably because it did throw them all at once at me.

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>>142476316
i can't believe i used to think this would be the hardest thing i would ever have to read when i first saw it. ったく

>>142478015
she looks very 元気 if i do say so myself

>>142478017
It's seeing them all at once that causes confusion, seeing them separately gives you a much easier time differentiating the meanings

And I'm not sure of any alternatives, I just assume core can't possible be "the most efficient", it's a fine option for sure, but it could be done better

>>142478193
There might be some things that need fixing up like that, but I really doubt there's some other method that is as fast. You can probably learn the words that didn't stick later by reading anyways.

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Quick question. What does this mean? I've never seen it in text and I don't know how to type it to google it.

>>142478193
In the core before 2K / 6k all of those words were separated apart.

下がった was supposed to be the 1003rd word.
下ろす the 1405
下げる 919

I think they just combined them all so it could be convenient matching the kanji.

>>142478379
are you a moron
罪

>>142478379
Google translate has a draw feature

>>142478405
>罪
How did you do that? But thank you.

>>142478498
you didn't know? the emperor of japanese often shitposts in these threads

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>>142478498
Magic

>>142478722
stop it only hacks use that garbage

all i did was type out 犯罪 and erase the 犯 because i forgot the reading of 罪

either draw your kanji in google translate or remember an easy word that uses it

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This is written after a characters name, can someone help me out, here? Is it refering to the age?

>>142478869
It's a contraction of the word 合法鳥, kind of like the word "cuck" in English.

>>142478722
I don't even know how to begin looking at that. I know nothing about Japanese I just wanted to know what that character meant, and now I do, so thank you.

Also didn't know about the draw feature, I'll bear that in mind next time. Thanks anons.

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>>142478920
ｗｗｗｗ

>>142478851
Obviously I know about a million words that use 罪, including just the word "罪", but that guy obviously didn't, so radicals or drawing it on google translate are the only things he could have done, you smart ass

>>142478920
Isn't that like a really obscure meaning? I thought it was refering to legal age.

Do you guys think if the revised core deck had the original word list, but removed all the filler stuff it would be much better?

>>142478920
ｘD

>>142479066
Filler stuff as in katakana? Just delete easy cards when you stumble upon them, that's what I do.

>>142478131
>I only memorized their readings based on the okurigana
How else would you recognize them if not by okurigana? Subtle oscillations between radical particles?

>>142478920
Really?

>>142479043
That's also what I though.

>>142478869
not helping you, you pedophile

>>142479025
radical search is for dirty anki users who don't know proper stroke order

>>142479196
But you can learn stroke order with anki too anon, most kanji decks have it included.

>>142476316
What's wrong with eating turtles?
She's totally fine with eating delicious chicken, but eat a delicious turtle and she suddenly feels bad?

I actually expected this pasta to go off the rails and have a gory punchline, what a disappointment.

>>142479172
She is actually 20+, sir.

>>142479196
You don't even need to know stroke order to draw shit on google translate, hell you don't even need to draw most of the strokes for it to get it, it's obviously the more casual choice

I only use radical search because I pretty much always have jisho open so it's just easier, not that I ever have to use it anyway because I can pretty much always think of at least one word that has the kanji I'm looking for in

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Just popped into say I'm so fresh you can suck my nuts.

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>>142479196
>writefags cling to this bullshit because it makes their skill at least slightly relevant
Tragic.

>>142479196
>autism

>>142479363
Oh, ok then my bad.
Go along.
Most likely 合法 is referring to the age in this case
>Anonymous (17)
>Anonymous (不合法)

>>142479576
ぼく？？？

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>>142479394
>3000
ふふ、未だ未だ。　

>>142479394
Mirin here, senpai.
Show the full one.

>>142479576
Ah, I see. thank you!

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>>142479576
Thanks, have this in return.

>>142479786
Enjoy your ban :^)

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ＡＢＡＮＤＯＮ　ＡＬＬ　ＨＯＰＥ

>>142479974
Will consider

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>>142479523
>idiots who haven't touched a pencil to paper in years think their abstinence is something to laud over those who spent a good 10 minutes in their lifetime learning what direction the lines are supposed to go
calamitous

>>142480043
>calamitous
Deep and salubrious

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Can someone translate this for me real quick? Thanks a lot.

>>142480197
"My name is Ted Cruz and I murdered those women."

It's just that over and over again... Where did you get this?

>>142480197
>I murdered those women
what did he mean by this? you have something very important.

>>142479974
this gives me motivation

>>142480197
I see 十一中く玉口回丁

Maybe a 長

>裏本
>裏

The radical at the bottom is hard to distinguish. Anki's font size hasn't prepared me for this.

>>142479130
No, the filler is because they want you to do a card 4 to 5 times in the original deck. They want you to memorize by picture, sentence, voice and word. That's too much stuff just for one word.

>>142480043
I know the order and it's completely useless. Radical search is better than google translate in every way. I haven't ever found any use to my ability to write and I want my "10 minutes" back.

>>142478851
>garbage
But it's so simple. And fuck drawing with a mouse.

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>>142480777
>fuck drawing with a mouse
it's not like you need to be accurate
it would have taken me longer to pick out the radicals from the menu

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>>142481143
wait, let's get a zoom on that...

it's happening

>ジレンマ

Oh come on

>>142481221
what's the problem?

>>142480672
i don't know about that 相棒
it's come in handy plenty for me

since my experience tells me you're one hundred percent wrong i guess i'll keep feeling satisfied in my ability to scribble chinese logograms efficiently

>>142481269
It doesn't sound anything like the English word?

>>142481079
>it would have taken me longer to pick out the radicals from the menu
What the hell, picking radicals is like 2 clicks.
Don't tell me you learned how to write but can't count strokes

>>142480660
The deck in Core doesn't have so many card types. Anyway, deleting some card types takes literally under 1 minute. Are you retarded?

>>142472815
>get hospitalized for a month
>2500 reps waiting
fuck

>>142481339
And what's wrong with that?

>>142481339
but it does

>>142481517
ジ =/= ヂ

>>142481339
Do you complain about French or Latin words in English too?

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>>142481432
>病院

きゃああああああ！大丈夫ですか！？

>>142481560
those are indistinguishable in certain words so I think you're looking for ディ

either way ジレンマ sounds similar enough to "dilemma" that you shouldn't have trouble seeing where it comes from

>>142481560
>ジ =/= ヂ
This epic meme again

>>142481432
>not doing your reps in the hospital
Inexcusable, unless you were in a coma.
Hell, I was looking forward to doing my reps every day in hospital since I was bored out of my mind most of the time there.

Anybody happen to be doing Kendo, Kenjutsu or some other form of martial art? Do you let your teacher know that you're learning japanese, or is that immediately going to put you into the weeaboo corner?

>>142481726
most likely in the weeb corner

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Note to the reading list maintainer, if you're around.

I'm re-organising the reading list by difficulty so please don't think I'm trying to graffiti it or whatever and undo my edits.

>>142481726
You can't mention that you're learning Japanese in any situation in life without instantly getting the weeb treatment

>>142481726
"Learning" Japanese sounds retarded. It will always put you into the weeb corner no matter the circumstances. The trick is to let no one know until you can comfortably say you speak Japanese. "Knowing" Japanese, that's something you can tell people.

>>142481935
"Knowing Japanese" is still gunna get you the weeb treatment most of the time

>>142482052
not if you are Japanese ;_;

i wonder what flyover american state you have to live in and which year of high school you have to be in
and how few people you need to have talked to in your lifetime so that you can believe in the abstract concept of the "weeb treatment"

>>142482052
Sometimes, but most people aren't even aware of what weebs are. I'd say as long as you're not some weirdo knowing Japanese is a pretty legit achievement for a westerner.

>>142482187
True, it's all about the character of the person really

>>142482175
Yeah, the anime fan base totally doesn't carry a social stigma around everywhere it goes.

>>142482240
In Argentina I don't really see people knowing what anime is.

>>142481872
>>142481935
>>142482052

w-what if I say that I'm learning modern japanese because I want to learn classical japanese for historical interest

>>142482296
Latin america doesn't count, all they know is CCS, Dragon Ball, Naruto and Saint Seiya

>>142482240
The "stigma" only works on you of you look the part.

美人薄命

I love 四字熟語

>>142479310
Turtles are going extinct senpai.

>>142482052
Not if you speak 3 other languages like I do.

Man it sure is easy to just get completely sucked into VNs, no wonder my gains have been so slow after avoiding playing these for so long

>>142482458
If they're so tasty and healthy why don't Japs breed them for food?

>>142482296
You should show them and watch their open minded reactions then.
Not even trying to sound edgy, even non moe anime instantly puts off most people. Same with manga and VN.

>>142482331
Sounds fine actually.

>>142482342
Would you tell people you know that you watch anime as a hobby the same way you'd tell them you're a music enthusiast? If your answer is anything other than a flat yes you're wrong with your statement man

>贔屓目

Pretty nice looking word, maybe not in this font though

>>142482670
>You should show them and watch their open minded reactions then.
They might not know what it is but I'm not going to risk it either :^)

>>142482670
>Would you tell people you know that you watch anime as a hobby the same way you'd tell them you're a music enthusiast?
Well, I openly read LNs and manga at work so I guess, yeah.
The only shit I would actually hide is loli related things, now that's the secret you protect with your fucking life.

>>142482976
>not hiding your power level
i shig my dig

>>142483024
It's only as autistic as you make it, reading shit like LNs and some manga in public is pretty normal

>>142483024
Sorry, just can't bring myself to waste all those hours watching bullshit on youtube like my coworkers when I could read more.

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>>142481855
Aaand done.

>>142483344
お疲れ様～

>>142483199
Sometimes if I like an LN I buy a second copy and rip out the pictures so I can read it in public without shame.

Does anyone have any idea how to translate マス間隔? I feel like I've grasped the general meaning after reading a few sentences, but I still have no idea what would be a good translation.

Here's two of the example sentences I've found.

道に一マス間隔で穴ほこが空いてても

Excelで1マス間隔で消したいのですが

>>142483557
>Excelで1マス間隔で消したいのですが

A cell.

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>>142477963
Is this really N3 level? Seems too easy to be N3.

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ちゅうがくせい are the best

>>142483666
N3 is a joke.

>>142483199
No shit reading LNs is normal, people wouldn't even know what it is just by seeing the letters and if it's in Japanese it'd be a great conversation starter.
But anon, don't make it obvious that you're reading manga when outside. Maybe anime has distorted your view of reality, but that's not the reputation you want in a work environment.

Remember this isn't about autistically hiding your interests out of fear of a social stigma you lack the confidence for dealing with or something, this is about actually going out there and letting people know of it.

>>142483712
I was under the assumption N3 is when things start to actually get interesting. I'm apparently at N4 -> N3 level.

>>142483715
Not him but I see a shitload of people who don't even remotely give off a weeb vibe reading manga outside on their laptop

Not sure if reading LNs is normal though; the cover and illustrations can be huge giveaways

>>142483710
Pretty sure Anko is 小

>>142483710
That's not how you spell しょう

>>142483715

This desu. A lot of people say "I hide that I watch anime from my friends" which is fucking stupid, if you have actual friends they won't give a shit. "Hiding your powerlevel" can easily be taken too far, as long as you don't look or act like an autist no one will care that you like this stuff. That being said, though, you do not want to get the reputation as the "anime guy" so be careful with what you put out as your image.

>normie problems

This is why you shouldn't have friends

>>142483949
>"Hiding your powerlevel" can easily be taken too far,

Stop trolling lurkers faggot.

>be neet with zero human interaction
>hide your power level to the absolute
There are no other options.

>>142484225
im pretty sure that even if you do interact with someone outside of your mother, they would assume you like anime because thats how much of a dork you are

>>142484358
>implying they wouldnt fall for the mlp and pokemon falseflags before that
my power level is hidden behind 7 proxies

>>142476742
>>142477963
>>142478171
>look at me, look at who good I am
You're no better than the anon posting random text with vague challenges, just less self aware.

>>142481872
So what? You're learning a new language. I don't care what the motivation is, you're still improving yourself.

>>142484727
>look at me, look at how i figured these anons out
and for that you replied to 2 hour old posts lmao youre such a clown

>>142484736
Tell that to the "people learned the moon runes for THIS" faggots in these very threads

>>142484736
>you're still improving yourself.

Ｈｏｗ　ｉｓ　ｌｅａｒｎｉｎｇ　ａ　ｎｅｗ　ｌａｎｇｕａｇｅ　ｉｍｐｒｏｖｉｎｇ　ｙｏｕｒｓｅｌｆ　ｉｎ　ａｎｙ　ｍｅａｎｉｎｇｆｕｌ　ｗａｙ？

>>142484836
Dude those are djt regulars baiting the 新人

>>142484885
>not "learning a new language wont increase your low IQ"
way to break character

>>142484836
As you said, those guys are just faggots. If they want to hang on to that crab mentality, then let them. Just don't let them get to you.
>>142484885
Opens new doors, new people to communicate with, rising to a challenge, and committing yourself. There can be some economic opportunity, if you're willing.

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>>142484885
>makes sure to add "any meaningful way" for damage control

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>>142484885

>reading when you could just be watching anime
enjoy having shit listening comprehension

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>>142484727
>You're no better than the anon posting random text with vague challenges, just less self aware.

おい...お-お前は..

>>142484727
>butthurt because he couldn't read the japanese passage

だったらそれはいいけど

>>142484885
Getting the JLPT N1 has a few perks. Also the amount of practice required should lead to better study habits/time management if you haven't achieved that level of self control already.

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>>142483710
>>142483869
>>142483940

>went through 52 episodes of anime in two days
Help, I need more anime

>>142487205
Cory in the House

>>142487205
Watch them again with English subs so that you can understand it this time

>>142487157
whats this from?

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>>142487157

>>142487205
What show?

>>142487297
It was hardsubbed so already had English subs

>>142487367
Capeta

>>142487157
kekょく

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>>142487397
>hardsubbed

this thread is going way off track

>>142487651
Sadly lots of anime is hardsubbed these days

If I start taking JCat, can I stop and resume it later?

In the email, it sounded like I could only take it once.

By what rationale is the Core 2k/6k optimized jap vocab deck ordered? Most used or useful words?

Also, why is it core 2k/6k if there is 6000 words? Why 2k?

>>142487651
Anime is for casuals now, it's probably easier to hardsub things than to deal with complaints from people who can't figure out how to change subtitles and assume that everything will "just work."

>>142487843
No.

You can only take it once ever 6 months. You could technically sign up with a new email before that, but even taking it less than a year apart would pretty much be cheating since you might remember a couple of the questions.

>>142487990
not ordered in any reasonable way

>>142488040
About how long does the test take to complete? Is there a time limit?

>>142488188
up to a couple hours
the questions themselves are timed

>>142488132
Nice!

>>142488188
Took like an hour for me, more than half of it spent on the listening part

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Are you bad enough dude to read Mareni and understand him?

(This screenshot is super easy as far as Mareni goes. Is something stumps you there, I'm interested in hearing what.)

>>142487990
It's ordered optimally.
Also it's 2k/6k because there are 2k words and then a further 4k words to make 6k.

>>142488473
I gave up on trying to read the window title

>>142488520
霞外籠逗留記

Ａｔ　ｌｅａｓｔ　逗留　is a normal word.

>>142488473
About how many hours of studying would it take me to beable to read this?

>>142488634
Dunno.

How's the Remembering the Kana guide and that video thing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKh9MQOaZ7I&index=1&list=PL2A25F7399E8805ED) for learning Kana?

I remember it being in the old guide, but it's not in the new one

>>142488709
just drill them for a couple hours on realkana

>>142488709
Why do you even need anything to remember kana? Just do it.

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Is it true that katakana came from kanji?
Some of the examples are really stretching it.

>>142488709
Realkana nig
Learning the kana is probably .1% of the effort it takes to git gud at moons

>>142488634
That screenshot is almost normal writing instead of Mareni's usual autismal shit so it's probably doable after 20 or so VNs

>>142487843
That shit is serious stuff.
If you die in Jcat you die in real life.

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>>142488764
>>142488765
>>142488882
Alright, drilling would probably be faster.

>>142488862
>Is it true that katakana came from kanji?

Yes.

並じゃビビってここまで書けない.
what's the meaning of "じゃ" in this context?

>>142489004
では just like every other time

>>142487990
It's ordered so that words using the same kanji are grouped together. I personally don't think this is "optimal" because it often results in you getting many similar words in a row, making it very easy to get muddled up.

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can someone screenshot their core deck template layout? i kinda fucked mine up but i'm not sure how. i just wanna go back to default

>>142489041
Yeah, I've got a bunch of words with 表 with similar (english) definitions and it's fucking me up pretty bad.

>>142488709
I used a PDF of the book and it was fine. Use it if you like mnemonics. It doesn't really matter when any efficiency difference is going to be a few hours at most.

It's also still listed in the resources section of the current guide.

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>>142489063
never mind i fixed i'm an idiot

>>142488473
This was fairly easy. There were 2 or 3 words I couldn't read, but context and/or kanji made the meaning obvious.

>>142488473
Aside from having no clue how to pronounce 築宮 and 司書 was able to read it if without much problem, only had to look up 窃視.

>>142488634
Like a year.

>>142488891
Maybe for the whole VN itself, but what exactly would I need 20 VNs for in this screenshot?

So is Yotsubato generally the first reading material that beginners attempt? At what point? I'm 1500 words into core 2k/6k (that number is young and mature combined), and most of the way through tae kim. Is now a good time to start?

>>142489609
yotsuba is overrated, go read some moege VN so you can at least texthook. voices help a ton too.

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>>142489609
>I'm 1500 words into core 2k/6k
what the hell? you should have been reading a long time ago. yes, start. and don't stop

>>142489609
i started around there but i also bought the reading pack or whatever for ten bucks, helped out a lot on the vocab i hadnt yet covered in core

if you're mostly through TK then consider it a reward for your efforts since yotsuba is the wonder child fuuka best girl

>>142489609
Not only is yotsuba overrated, it's actually boring trash.

>>142489609
>I'm 1500 words into core 2k/6k
At 1500 words I started reading LNs. But then again I finished tae kim long before that, what the fuck is taking you so long? Finish that fucker and start reading.

>>142489795
>bought the reading pack or whatever for ten bucks

What hahaha? The reading pack is free.

>>142489770
Don't blame him. The guide now tells people that they should have finished at least Core2K before they start reading.

>>142489849
after literally spending 0 dollars on learning this much since i will never own an apple product for buying anki, it wasnt a hard choice anon
if you cant afford that much, i understand :^)

Still confused of what na-adj are

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>>142489923
>if you cant afford that much, i understand :^)

>>142489838
I'm lazy, it's a lot easier to grind anki than read and understand grammatical literature. I think I'll tone back my new words per day so I can free up some time to wrap up TK. I want to get over that hurdle so I can start reading and perhaps make studying fun and more rewarding than flashcards.

>>142489609
Any time is a good time to start. Vocabulary doesn't really matter when you read anyway since you can just look words up in a dictionary, and nothing in yotsuba should be hard grammar wise. In fact it might even be a waste of time since there's little it can teach you that you won't pick up from listening to cartoons, other than sharpen your reading speed a little. It's a nice manga though.

I ended up dropping it and starting an LN instead since it exposes me to more complex sentences, though that's because I had put off doing any actual reading for half a year before then and yotsuba was below my level.

Also it doesn't seem right that you have 1500 cards while only being "most" of the way through Tae Kim. That should really have been something you finished probably before you even started anki.

Should I watch all of tae kim then go for anki?

>>142490170
watch?

ESL get off my website

>>142489951
Adjectives that aren't regularly conjugatable natively Japanese kunyomi words that end in things like-i/-shii, but rather unconjugatable onyomi compounds that need "na" as an auxiliary particle suffix to make their adjective status clear when put before words. An exception would be kunyomi adjectives ending in -ka/-yaka, as they're na adjectives too due to being relatively rare in modern standard Japanese.

>>142489951
just nouns that you put な on to make them adjectives

>>142490219
Sorry, I don't think I've registered at your website in the first place.

>>142490170
tae kim's videos don't even go as far as to introduce verbs to the mix so you can't "watch" all of tae kim

you should read his grammar guide though yes

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>tfw posting in the same thread as anki-drones
i feel unsafe. d-do you think they know there is actual japanese outside of that program?

>>142490106
きゃああ！行かなきゃ

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>>142490326
mad af

>>142490326
What is japanese? I do know a lot of words made up by funny squiggles, but I don't know what to do with 'em.

>>142490326
>d-do you think they know there is actual japanese outside of that program?
Where do you think I find words to make my cards from? I need like 2 hours of reading to mine my daily quota.

>>142490326
>do you think they know there is actual japanese outside of that program?
There's a way to learn Japanese outside flash cards?

>>142490106
if tae kim still looks like a hurdle to you after a couple months then you have a lot more in store for you than you think
he teaches foundational grammar, not reading comprehension

>grammatical literature
what did he mean by this

>>142489881
Core2k only takes like a month to finish.

>>142490534
2000 cards / 20 cards a day = 100 days (over 3 months) to complete

>>142490534
2000/30=66.7

>>142490534
on earth a month is about 30 days, my 宇宙人

>>142490433
all we know so far is that they are runes that fell from the moon and landed on that island. nobody really knows what they are

>>142490534
baka baka baaaaakaaaaaaa

>>142490534
Correct, assuming you're planning on burning out after a month and never learning Japanese.

>>142490666
Does anybody actually speak "Japanese"?

>>142490756
There is the legend of a man known as "Tudigirus Arudabesuto" who managed to control this language with an mysterious forgotten art of "Mo-ujitsu"

>恐竜 = dinosaurs
What? The actual dragons are scarier than dinos

Came across a proverb in the A Dictionary of Advanced Japanese Grammar that sounds so much better than the Chinese version of the time.
Chinese:
心不在焉、視而不見、聴而不聞、食而不知其味。
Japanese:
心焉に在らざれば、視れども見えず、聴けども聞こえず、食らえども其の味を知らず。
I know Chinese history has a lot of poetry and the like, of which a lot of is famous for being referenced in Japanese verse, but fuck me the Chinese poetry these older Japanese poets regarded as valuable sound like complete shit compared to the Japanese verse which was inspired from it. Even Chinese proverbs sound better as a monged English translation than they do in the original language.

Apparently ど was used in a similar way in older Japanese to how ば is used in modern Japanese, which is kind of neat. Are there any anons here with experience with 古典? I'm still a long way away but various phrases and idioms with roots in classical Japanese pop up here and there in manga and it sounds kind of neat.

>>142481339
That's because Japanese isn't English.

>>142490753
It's only 66 words a day for 30 days, which is fuck off if the anon is only using Anki for vocab, which seems to be a pretty popular trend.

>>142491923
You'd burn out by the time a month was over if you did anki for that long every day.

>>142491851
I read this part of the book less than an hour ago. It was Confucius, right?

Who decided it would be a good idea to create kanji?

>>142491851
What the fuck is 心焉
>Even Chinese proverbs sound better as a monged English translation than they do in the original language.
Everything sounds like shit in chinese.

>>142492096
Speak for yourself.

>>142492187
ask the chinese

>>142492187
Who decided it would be a good idea to copy kanji?

>>142489881
This is the worst advice I've ever heard in my life.

Maybe we should just link to the old guide at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G5C7fCe07CDzYalZYZObzxv_fhw7RUNsLHiMAY-t7FA/edit instead of the crappy new guide if it's going to give awful advice like this.

>>142492236
People who didn't see any other writing systems but kanji. You wouldn't question it as well if it was the first writing you saw.

>>142491851
Japanese proverbs are cool.
備えあれば憂いなし
油断大敵
毒を食らわば皿まで

>>142492208
Oh, looks like 焉 is an old ここ, so it just 心ここに.
Was able to read the rest of it correctly, though, guess I'm close to being able to read chuunishit.

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Do you have any Japanese phrases stuck in your head? I have 2 that I can think of.

死にたくない死にたくない死にたくない -Takumi from Chaos;Head I think
ばっかじゃないの？ -I don't remember where this is from, but it is always the same voice

>>142492096
I average around 2 hours a day in Anki and have done so for the past 70 days. It isn't all that long.

>>142492181
Yeah, Confucius. The repetitious nature of the structure got stuck in my head.

>>142492208
>What the fuck is 心焉
ここ can be written as 焉.

>>142492187
At the board meeting the day the early empires of the China region got together and decided to draw up a complete written script for the entire world, the guy responsible for presenting the subject showed up drunk and handed out a bunch of scribbles instead of American letters and everyone agreed with it without too much thought because wanted to fuck off back to their concubines and seeing how their noodle shops in England were competing with the local curry house.

>>142492429
>備えあれば憂いなし
I'm guessing 憂い is うれい? Sounds like something a lame manager would stick up in a workplace to try and attempt to motivate people.

>>142492644
>chrome users

>>142492644
More like, don't get caught with your pants down.
Remember to pre-buff in your RPGs and keep some healing potions with you.

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>>142492723
you called? would you like to fight? no, huh? ったく

>>142492723
I don't use Chrome?

>>142492746
>More like, don't get caught with your pants down.
Worked in an abattoir a long time ago with a foreman who used to tell us "don't get caught with your dick in a sheep".
Is 食らえば a modern form of 食らわば?

>>142492923
>worked in an abattoir

Thanks for identifying yourself as a retard, you can stop posting now.

>>142481341
Having to look through the options is a pain.

>>142492802
>not just teleporting behind him and attacking with a scissor

>>142493028
Fuck off manchild; $18 an hour for an 18 year old was great money. It paid for my education.

>>142493153
>needing to get a job to pay for college
>being a poorfag subhuman

lol

>>142493204
>I'm better than you because my mommy pays for my stuff

>>142493204

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4lzRolcuoI

>>142493260
Mad, poorfag? Enjoy pinching those pennies!

I'm jealous that you guys can still get stuff out of reading VNs.

There's VNs that I kinda want to read but it just seems like a waste of time when it doesn't improve my japanese any more than maybe teaching me a couple words

I'm stuck just watching anime or even worse japanese garbage tv and such just because listening is the main thing I need to improve

>>142483344
Did you switch the first 2 difficulty descriptions? I don't remember Yotsuba having homoerotic slang.

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Not even the Japanese know all the words in their vidya games, don't worry about it.
>>142493481
Isn't this 本末転倒? If you can't get stuff out of VNs then you're extremely good at Japanese. If I had to guess you're not actually jealous you just wanted to brag a little but didn't want to be too blatant.

>>142493481
The stuff I get out of reading VNs is enjoyment first and foremost. If one day I stop getting anything new out of them that would mean I've reached a level I wanted to be at and I'll just keep reading fun stuff.

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おはようおにいちゃん

きょうはキムチをいっぱいつくった

れいぞうこにいっぱいあるから食べていいよ

それから、この犬をころしてなべりょうりつくるね

>>142493638
I wanted to brag a little but I actually mean what I said. If both would give equal benefit to my japanese I would prefer to read VNs

It's not like I know every word it's just that my "VN" vocab is more than sufficient. If I were to read VNs I would come across new words at the same rate I do in anime. Maybe even a lower rate because anime are shorter and therefore you watch a lot of them and experience more different "authors"

>>142489609
im at 1700 words now and just started the advanced section of tae kim and i could barely understand any of the sentences from the reading pack

>>142494065
やっぱ韓国人だったのか

Captcha: orly avenue

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>>142493565
That's the joke. It's said that for a while.

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>could only finish core deck today because i kept slacking off
>mining deck still waiting for me
>12am

ごめんなさい。僕が...僕が...

>barely score JLPT3 on JCAT with 115 pts
I demand N2 level, I swear things felt basic and I understood the idea, but not the nuance.

Should I just study tests and look at the grammar used to make sure I fully understand what's being asked, and focus on learning kanji without furigana? I feel at 3,000 words into Anki, I should know enough to have a higher score than I did.

I don't care about compelling content, I feel embarrassed.

しかし観光地のお店ってやたらシステマチックになっていたり愛想が悪かったりするパターンが多いのですが

He's saying there's a pattern of stores at tourist locations becoming too systematic and are not courteous?

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Post your leeches, get them off your chest.

>>142494811
Sounds like your grammar knowledge is shit

>>142494811
>3000 words into anki
>probably haven't read shit

calm down dude you just started go read some chinese pornos
Also, the JLPT3 on JCAT is the old scoring so it's actually N4, you got a ways to go

>I don't care about compelling content
Yeah that's why you're N4

>>142494949
I think it is, I fell for the "just read, it'll happen naturally!!" advice shitposted in the last few months.

>>142483344
>Beginner isn't the easiest difficulty
Thank you for organizing them like that, before that really threw me off.

>>142495040
Maybe you shouldn't have fallen for the "you can become a japanese master in just 3 months" meme and realized that language learning takes time

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>>142494811
>I understood the idea, but not the nuance.
what did he mean by this

>>142495040
Watch lots of anime instead

>>142495093
Yeah but it's a bit embarrassing when I've lived with a Japanese girl in Japan for the last year.

ザワザワザワ

>>142495123
>he didn't learn nuance from core 6k sample sentences

>>142495123
He means he understood 私 and します but not the words in between

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>>142494811
>115 pts
How long have you been studying, a month? First time I tried it I got 200.

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>>142495040
jesus christ they meant read while studying grammar and you should be able to pick it up with time, not hide away from everything in a cave until you've mastered the language in 3 months. how else are you supposed learn ffs

>>142495040
reading comprehension is largely intuition so there's no way around it, you're going to need to expose yourself to written material and put some backbone into making sense of it
that's what "it'll happen naturally" means

>>142493638
Is that Airon's DS3 playthough?

In Bloodbrony playthrough he was reading 欠片 as けっぺん for few episodes before realizing it has to be かけら.

>>142495172
Ah, the typical Fuwanovel style of VN translation.

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>open up compelling material
>follow along for an hour or so
>eventually shit gets TOO compelling and you forget to mine words, look up grammar, try to make sense of the nuances etc.

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>>142495207
I've never looked at a Japanese languge standardized test before so I'm trying to blame it on that. I'm pretty shocked too.

>>142495232
>reading comprehension is largely intuition so there's no way around it
I swear, you guys are deluding yourselves by spreading disinformation like this around. It's the same reason people seem satisfied by their daily Anki results when they're really only scoring 65% retention.

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Is this a good vertical slice of N1 vocabulary?

Help:

いきなり特別養子縁組はどんなに愛情があっても
余程の人格者じゃなきゃ無理なんだろうか

No matter how much love you have for special child adoption
If you dont have excess character then its pointless?

特別養子縁組は is the subject but I cant identify the verb of the clause, i assume its だろうか

How difficult are the Spice and Wolf LNs? Compared to something like Flyable Heart.

>>142495353
>I swear, you guys are deluding yourselves by spreading disinformation like this around.

He's not the one who is shit at japanese after studying for a year. That said it's probably like common core to some extent: it's what smart people do naturally but forcing it on dumb people doesn't necessarily work all that well.

>>142495353
You can learn grammar from just watching anime, finny did it

>>142495384
>for
Nah. Rethink this.

>pointless
Rethink this too. Unless you mean the correct thing but express it in English as "pointless". If that's the case then rethink it too.

>>142495384
Onii-chan, I heard my breasts will get bigger if someone you love massages them, will you do it for me?

>>142495040
>>142495232
Let me tell you my perspective.
There's no way around reading to gain comprehension. Think about it, there is no avoiding reading. You will get a feel for the language this way.

That being said you MUST be able to justify your translation using grammar rules. If you dont then you fall victim to just plain guessing. Unless the sentence is "trivial" based on how you feel and your level, make sure you can justify what you just read with grammar rules. Also read things with translations and figure out how it corresponds to the translation.

>>142495470
Cow tumors are bad for you

>>142495384
About 特別養子縁組は, no matter how much love there is, it is impossible if you aren't a person of great character

よほど just means "very"

Is there a way to turn a game script into an anki deck?

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>>142493204
Not everyone leads the same life, anon. You can call me whatever you want and project your insecurities but it won't do a lick of good to improve your own condition. 心の糧。

>>142494811
>I feel at 3,000 words into Anki, I should know enough to have a higher score than I did.
It was it is, anon. Though it may pay to keep in mind that 3,000 words does go very far unless they are 3,000 words specifically used in the given texts you are reading. For example, there are approximately 274 words used in the volumes of 苺ましまろ which are not used in Core10k and about 300 words used in あずまんが大王 which are not found in Core10k.
That and being familiar with the general meaning of a collection of words is not the same as being familiar with how they are actually used in different contexts. It helps make reading easier but it still takes a large amount of expose to comprehensive material before it starts to make sense in terms of nuance and connotation. In writing, maybe even more so in Japanese, there is an implicit understanding between the writer and reader not just of what is written but what is not written instead of what is expected and what is omitted.

>I feel embarrassed.
Don't be embarrassed nigger, we all start out shitting ourselves for a while before getting used to the process of passing bowel movements without ending up looking like the aftermath of a wedding reception. Language comprehension is no different as most of it boils down to an intimate familiarity of how people generally express things. It takes a lot of time and a lot of crawling through shit. Have a smug Lain for your worries.

>>142495353
what disinformation

comprehending a complex sentence is possible with all the tools given to you by simple grammar guides, but even so that does not mean you will be able to do it if all you studied beforehand was imabi

just having the tools isn't going to give you the knowledge needed to apply them effectively, for that you need a good intuitive sense of how information is conveyed in the language

>176 of 629 days studied

did i bite

>>142495353
>so I'm trying to blame it on that
I never did as well and got that result from 6 months of reading manga, so I'd blame it on you being dumb instead. A year in Japan and you're still N4? The fuck did you even do there all that time?

>>142495592
ah it just indicates the topic the 特別養子縁組は
i guess there is a implict "about"

>>142495612
Post a link to the game script and explain how you want the deck formatted.

>>142495751
Oh sorry actually I just completely missed the いきなり while translating

So more like
"About suddenly participating in 特別養子縁組"
so probably "About suddenly adopting"

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>>142495758
I actually haven't figured out how to get the game (Youkai Watch for 3DS) script yet. I just wanted to make sure it was worth trying before I did. If I can't get that, I'd like to get Dobutsu No Mori's (N64). Does anyone have any tips for getting the script for either game?

just wanted to say to the jannie(s) lurking that you're doing a great job and to keep up the good work :)

>>142495207
>First time I tried it I got 200.

how long did you study though

>>142495490
I don't know if I'd say "translation," since translating every sentence you read from J→E in your head seems like a bad habit.
It's more like sticking to just what is said in the sentence, reverse engineering rather than trying to fill in gaps. Basically making sure particles actually mean something to you rather than being a sign to fish out a random English conjunction.

>>142496151
ye defintelty dont straight up translate, just make sure you understood

>>142496071
6 months back then, only finished tae kim, 2k and a bunch of manga at that time.

>>142491851
Are you Chinese?

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Are you bad enough dude to read ponderous writing in Seabed and understand it?

>>142495490
>Also read things with translations and figure out how it corresponds to the translation.
I could agree with the rest, but that sounds like a sure way to have a bad time. The way american translators spin reinterpret phrases to make them sound more "natural" makes my head hurt when compared to the actual Japanese.

>>142496424
I feel like I lack context to properly get this one. Looks like a part of some argument.

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>>142495424
Here's the first page of S&W. Judge it for yourself.

>>142496433
probably because you arent reading good translations

if it clearly dosent correspond well then just dont read it for the time being

>>142496502
Really?

I don't think so. Obviously it's part of a conversation, but the argument in the picture is pretty easily understandable.

>>142496433
That post seemed like a pretty obvious troll.

>you must justify everything you read using grammar rules

>>142496536
Then it went over my head, I guess.

>>142496424
seabed is so 2 months ago dude

I haven't eaten anything yet today and I'm starting to feel weak and light-headed... It's really making it hard to focus on reading. I wish I wasn't so fat and could eat something without feeling like garbage.

>>142496424
Aside from a few unknown words, there was nothing particularly hard about it.

>>142496504
Not the anon requesting it.

この村では、見事な実った麦穂が風に揺れられることを狼が走るという。

"In this village, the splendid fruiting wheat fields being swayed by the wind is said to be a wolf running."

ことを not getting this.

>>142496795
Eat a bite of something. Eating just a little removes the hunger sensation.

>>142496557
He clarified, it just means you shouldn't make up your own shit when you don't have any confidence in what a sentence is saying.
You don't have full reading comprehension unless you can explain why a sentence means what it does. Doesn't mean you literally have to explain it out loud, just that you should be careful about particles you don't fully understand.

>>142496883
道路を走る

same thing as this

>>142496936
It's not though.

>>142496999
>>how do you run over a "swinging wheat field"

By running through it? There's ground between each, in other words the field itself, that's where you run.

>>142496999
The verb indicated by を is いう.

>>142487157
>Holy shit

>>142496936
>>142497056

deleted my post because i dident select the correct verbal phrase being nominalized the correct thing

yes but how do you run over a "the swinging of the wheat field"

i assumed it was similar

>>142497092
Yeah, I'm actually retarded too.

This guy is right >>142497068. E.g. the swinging is made by wold running through it.

>>142497068
i derped thank you

>>142496883
You got the right idea.

>>142497068
Wait, then should it be interpreted as 狼が走ると見事な実った麦穂が風に揺れられることをいう?