Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1564

Yay, it's the real thread this time. OP image made for >>142264398 since he asked nicely.

>>142420185
I want to lick her face.

Guy who posted about Paris several days ago here. Now I am in Ireland. I got into the hotel last night, and when out buying some water in the lobby I saw some Japanese tourists checking in. I thought about approaching them but I realized I was wearing sweatpants and looked somewhat slovenly, and I'd rather make no impression at all than a bad one, so I just bought my water and went back to the room. But as I left I heard the grandfather say "朝八時". I had another chance.

So this morning I wake up, shave my neckstubble, put on some nicer clothes, and go out to the dining room. Sure enough, there they are: a pair of grandparents, a mother and father, and a little girl. Spaghetti starts falling out of my pockets. Oh god, how do I open the conversation? What will I even say? What if I fucked up and they're Korean somehow? But I restrain my spaghetti somehow. The dad says something in nihongo and I take the opportunity to go in. Paraphrased:

>すみません、今のは日本語でしたか？
>はい、日本語です
>よかった。今習っていますから
>あ、大学で？
>いえいえ、自分で
>ああ、そうか。
>自習、自習
>自習ね。日本語結構うまいね
>ありがとう。でも、まだまだー
>ー勉強していますね？
>はい。ははは
>ははは。どうしてアイルランドにいるんですか？
>あ、父さんと旅行しています
>いいね。どっから来たんですか？
>アメリカ。カリフォルニア、桜メント
>あ、私達… (something I don't understand, conversation changes to English since my comprehension is still beginner-level, turns out they are actually moving to California, other stuff, etc.)

After I finished I said bye and went back to my table, knees shaking but happy. Considering it was my first time actually speaking Japanese it went really well, it was a lot of fun. I realized later I fucked up a bit since 習う means more to learn from a teacher or class, but hey that's fine. I definitely want to visit Japan in a few years, it's easy to forget there are actually 125 million people who speak this anime language.

>>142420093
Isn't that the back of the NicoMaki Doujin by Kuraha?

>>142420478

Seems so, based on the tags. I just found it at http://www.zerochan.net/1851171

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Do you guys follow any Japanese person's blog? I want to have people I can stalk and learn from.

>>142420250
桜メントka

>>142420785
It's one of the best love live Doujins. Lot's of drama though and fluffy stuff.

>>142421229
>No raws
Why is the /u/ community so fucking shit

So is there any settings or whatever that chiitrans needs? I feel like it doesn't catch the full conjugation sometimes or parses wrong

>>142421708
>chiitrans
>parse

you can't learn japanese

>>142421387
It's in the archive of the LL threads in /u/.

You can read it on dynasty it's been translated.

Does anyone have epubs/mobi of Kino no Tabi? CoR only has it as text file

>>142421708
use the firefox text grabber with rikai instead

>>142420478
It's Karuha idiot.

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>tfw fell for the depression meme
>breathing is fucked too so can't repeat words out loud
>still trying to power through these dumb reps
this better pay off in the end

>>142422083
That adorable picture just about makes up for your disgusting blogging

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もう一度アメリカを偉大に\しよう!

>>142422131
that's why i chose it

>>142421852
>You can read it on dynasty it's been translated
He's not asking for a translation you stupid fucking EOP

>>142422159
はい

>>142421855
There is a working wa to convert txt to epub/mobi (vertical, with furigana, reader's dictionary recognizes word boundaries correctly) but I don't remember it. You can find it either with archive or Google.

>>142423005
I know from English books that txt -> epub conversion is pretty damn unreadable, is this really somehow different with Japanese?

Anyway, anyone know what program this guys talking about?

我が社の話しは何もできません。
Why can't this be read as "the story from my office is nothing can be done"?

我が社の話し
My company's story/

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How many lessons of Tae Kim would I need to do a day to finish it in two and half weeks? Is it even possible?

I'm going out of town and I at least want to have basic grammar down.

>>142424058
Total number of lessons divided by the number of days in two and a half weeks

Don't ask me for a proof though

>>142424058
starting at "basic grammar" and ending with all of "advanced topics" and excluding exercises there are 52 lessons. two and a half weeks is 17/18 days, which means you would need to do approximately three lessons per day to finish the guide within two and a half weeks.

>>142424058
There's no work or anything involved in the lessons, just read the whole thing over a few days and then go back over it to make sure you've got most of it down.
You're going to need it for reference anyway when you first start reading, there's no way around that.

>>142424058
>Is it even possible?
Definitely
>I at least want to have basic grammar down.
This probably isn't though

>>142423905
People actually learn moon in order to be able to read shit like this, it's kind of depressing.

>>142424209
>>142424257
>implying it is not worth it

>>142424147
>>142424152
>>142424191
Thanks.

>>142424257
Nah I'm learning moon for shit like this
http://store.steampowered.com/app/418190/

>>142424303
It's in English, though.

>>142424257
Yes, it really is a shame that you need to learn moon before being able to enjoy such great works.
I shed a tear every evening for every guy that doesn't make it and has to live without those beautiful things.

>>142424711
So?

>>142424943
You're a shitty human being.

>>142425439
Why?

What are some pieces of western media that got good translations into Japanese? I'm interested in seeing how things are translated in that direction.

>>142425757
Book of the New Sun

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は-はい..

Obviously there are a lot of good online resources that can teach you for free but is there any reason not to buy books if money is not a concern?

I can't take electronic devices to work where I'd do most of my studying (I work alone and have breaks alone so no distractions) so I'd be doing it with paper more than a device.

Is there a possibility of outgrowing books and not needing them again if I advance beyond the book?

>>142426550
Where do you work that you can't bring a smartphone?

>>142426550
>Is there a possibility of outgrowing books and not needing them again if I advance beyond the book?

Isn't that the goal? If you aren't outgrowing your books then you aren't learning.

>>142426597
Chemical factory with horrendously outdated regulations the old management are too stubborn to change. They're concerned it might blow up the whole place. We're allowed them in certain areas but not where I have my breaks.

>>142426550
Buying books is totally fine, just make sure you get helpful ones.
I don't know if I'd say you can "outgrow" a book rather than just be finished it, in the sense that it's taught you everything it has to teach and you don't need it for reference anymore. That's going to happen with any resource save for something really extensive like a dictionary.

>>142426662
Well, yes, fair point. I suppose I just don't like the idea of spending £50 on a Genki book and then having it gather dust. Small price to pay though I suppose.

>>142426678
Well, it might.

>>142426814
That's the reason people like to suggest avoiding shit like Genki, especially bought physically, since everything it has to teach you can be learned through other, more effective methods (for free) over the course of a couple months anyway. In fact you might as well give Tae Kim the $17 or so for the printed version of his grammar guide and go with that if you absolutely need a physical book, it's probably less poisonous than Genki.
The best books to buy would be the kinds that have good reading material for you to work through and learn form. Or ones you can't rip from the internet and actually do need to dish out the textbook premium for.

>>142426814
I don't consider the Genki books to be worth the money. They really don't cover that much and won't last you very long. And they are so overpriced because they are college textbooks.

I bought the DOJBG and then the next week we got the DOJG deck. So it was a waste of money ;_;

I think someone made a Tae Kim PDF. If you could find that and print it out it would probably be a cheaper alternative.

>>142427194
>>142427241
What Tae Kim doesn't give you is meaningful ways to practice. Every couple of threads I see some guy saying that he read Tae Kim's guide and barely remembers any of it. This is where Genki comes in, specifically the workbooks. If you do the exercises, it will give you some decent practice in conjugations and basic sentence patterns.

>>142426822
I don't disagree with the policy in principle, but I work in an office building with no chemicals in it. Back on topic though...

>>142427194
>>142427241
Thanks. I'll try and get that printed then. We have facilities at work for making a professional looking binder so it doesn't have to be a bunch of paper stapled together.

>>142427553
That's because the practice should be reading material.

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>>142427553
>genki
>a meaningful way to practice

Has Anki ever made anyone's computer freeze totally with no hard drive activity? Mine has been freezing from time to time and I've had Anki running every time when that has happened, so I'm suspecting it a bit.

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>>142427553
>the workbooks
Are you a child?

>>142427553
I hate doing exercises in books, so I am a little biased. I did Genki I+II and even own the first workbook, but I never did a single exercise. I bought the workbook because I was going to take a class, but I dropped it after 1 day. I really should have returned it.

It's been years since I've had anything resembling a conversation with a real person and I feel like I'm losing the ability to speak. When I try to say words out loud it's like I'm unable to manipulate my mouth and tongue properly and everything sounds slurred or garbled. Is this normal or some kind of degenerative brain disorder?

>>142427553
>>142427635
>>142427657

What I can establish from this thread and the guide in the OP is that there is no cast iron guarantee for the best method, just one that works for you.

For home use is the Human Japanese app a good addition to my learning? Since I'd be mainly using text books is it best to stick to one method to avoid confusion?

>>142427553
That's where the poison comes in. Genki is artificial and, being a college textbook, moves too slowly, so you're not getting anything meaningful out of using it like that. You're just building bad habits in drilling Genki sentence patterns and mannerisms into your head repeatedly.
No one should need to sit and practice writing out conjugations or basic sentences in the first place. A couple weeks or so in and that should come naturally to you, not out through a Genki-trained algorithm. Watch a cartoon or two in your spare time.

プロチップ

Write vertically. Turn your notebook sideways and turn the rows into columns. So much easier than trying to squeeze complicated kanji into the tiny, narrow space that you usually have to work with.

>>142427849
If you don't use it, you lose it.

>>142421855
>>142421855
P-Please respond

Does no one here read LNs on a Kindle?

>>142427717
No userland software should be able to do something like that.

It's either hardware dying, a driver problem, or a bug in the operating system.

>>142427857
>What I can establish from this thread and the guide in the OP is that there is no cast iron guarantee for the best method, just one that works for you.

This is a complete misreading of the guide.

>For home use is the Human Japanese app a good addition to my learning? Since I'd be mainly using text books is it best to stick to one method to avoid confusion?

Hahahaha.

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>>142427849
Normal enough. Talk to your waifu for ten minutes a day and it should come back

>>142428017
What's funny?

>>142428090
Your post.

>>142428090
That you completely ignored the guide and are considering using non free software that is inferior to free software

>>142427849
even if it is what would you do? likely part of the solution regardless is to talk to people, if you see it as a issue.

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why the fuck doesn't anyone use the guide anymore its RIGHT there

>>142427857
Careful, if you cross the textbooks there's no telling what'll happen.

>>142428182
anyone who uses the guide probably isn't going to post about it besides telling newfags to use the guide
guide users are probably the silent majority

>>142423905
>look this up on vndb
>one of the screenshots is from a cg of her with an アイスキャンディー in her まんこ

>>142424058
>count the number of lessons
>divide by 14
That was hard, wasn't it?

Anyone help me parse this?

これは、内容、分かりやすさ、実用性のあらゆる要素に高いクオリティを求めて動画作成に取り組んだがゆえにできたことです。

これは、内容、分かりやすさ、実用性のあらゆる要素に高いクオリティ
That is, (contents, ease of understanding, ??component of high quality)
を求めて動画作成
demanding videos
に取り組んだ
effort put in
が
ゆえにできたことです。
finally achieved

Maybe something like "That is, by putting effort into videos demanding content, ease of understanding and ???component high quality I finally achieved."

>>142424191
>You're going to need it for reference anyway when you first start reading, there's no way around that.
Why would you use Tae Kim as a reference when the DoJG exists?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIkQtlxhopA

What's up with this influx of japanese learning sites?

>>142428662
Probably the fact that people have realised you can make money on the internet from offering a service or information even when superior services and information exist for free.

>>142428662
Entrepreneurs taking advantage of the reddit weebs who can't learn Japanese but who will steal their parents' credit card to pay for a pretty layout that makes them feel like they can learn Japanese.

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>>142420093
>運命の音を聞かせてあげる
こんなゲイなことは一体何だよくそ？！

>>142414352
I wasn't here earlier but here's your well deserved (You), chaika

>>142428466
This could be done by putting effort into the video making process, demaning high quality various elements like content, ease of understanding (maybe accessibility?) and practical usage.

>>142429619
*demanding high quality of various elements

>>142428466
split it into clauses

これは、～できたことです。
this one wraps around everything else
「できたこと」は「これ」を表すこと

内容、分かりやすさ、実用性のあらゆる要素に高いクオリティを求めて
demanded high quality in each component of content, ease of understanding, and practicality [and]

動画作成に取り組んだ
wrestled with the video production

～がゆえに
by consequence of ～
(～ being the reason; ～ being the circumstances)

in the end it's something like:
"This was created by consequence of demanding high quality in each of the components of content, ease of understanding, and practicality, and wrestling with video production."

>>142428011
see
>>142423005
>You can find it either with (..) Google

http://forum.koohii.com/thread-10594-page-2.html

It's the fucking first result for "e-readers txt Japanese dictionary look-ups vertical text furigana" mate.

>>142429771
any tips or references on identifying clauses? in more complex sentences i just cant figure it out

>>142429906
is there a verb or adjective or copular in a normal form? bam, clause

>>142429906
read more

>>142429772
That needs specifically Aozora format books though, which I'm pretty sure a simple .txt in the CoR isn't.

>>142429771
I don't like how you kind of lumped in the part after the て form with the part before it. It's more like
"This was a result of demanding high quality in terms of content, ease of understanding, and utility while producing the video."

>>142429957
ah in indicative いる　える　etc or です

thank you

>>142430102
>tfw it doesn't matter because the shit he wants is available in CoR in azw3 format.
>tfw I have no face

>>142430462
Only the first volume is there as a epub. The others are scans and txt.

Unless there's a FOURTH Kino I'm not seeing somewhere. Please educate me

>>142429906
The best thing to do is to read the whole sentence first and then try to understand it, which requires some reading practice so you don't get caught up in particles. I don't know if I can adequately explain how I do it, since it's mostly just intuition.

The first step of the process is probably to identify the core bits of a clause anywhere you can in the sentence, which are the subject and predicate. The subject is often left out in Japanese so it's important to figure out what it is as soon as you realize it's being implied. The predicate is the action; something like だ or any verb. て form, 連用形, the copula で, etc can separate actions distinctly in the same sentence, learn to notice that.

Commas have a ton of uses so don't be too quick to make presumptions as soon as you see one. Forget English comma usage. Listening to spoken Japanese helps because you get a better feeling for how a long sentence flows through intonations and pauses.

After you understand the overall structure of a sentence you can look closer at each subject and object and figure out how it's being modified by everything before it, and by the particle after it, if applicable. Then you can take the adverbs and the verbs and construct a meaning for the full sentence.

>>142430142
て form strictly implies completion of one action before moving on to the next. "While" is a shit way to translate it.

I didn't intend for it to be lumped in with the three components they mentioned, but I couldn't think of something better than a comma to get that part of the sentence across even if it's ambiguous. There's probably a better way to put it in English but I was trying to convey it as literally as possible so the process would be clear.

Someone on /lit/ was saying you need 7000 kanji to read novels, is this true? I thought it was only 2000...

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>>142431650
なに? i don't think i remember giving you permission to cross-board anon

>>142431650
~2000 common ones and then probably 5000 more rare ones that can show up 5% of the time.
Granted that doesn't mean you have to memorize 7000 kanji, just look up the word in a dictionary if you don't know what it is.

>>142431650
Yes.

Two questions

1. Is there any way to make Kindle parse itself? It basically always needs me to click and drag the area I want. It didn't recognize a kanji by itself, when I drew it a couple characters further it recognized it as a vocab. But well this is hard to do when I don't know the vocab.

2. How to make epubs vertical or keep them like that? I thought the one I had was vertical but converting it to mobi in calibre and then putting it onto the Kindle made it horizontal.

>>142430102
I'm pretty sure they are as JNovel Formatter only works on Aozora anf it works on txt files from CoR. Aozora formatting isn't a filetype, man.

>>142431838
What are you going to do about it, fag?

Why are we using so many different pictures for the OP?

>>142431650
>Someone on /lit/ was saying you need 7000 kanji to read novels, is this true?
More like 3000-4000. If you are reading some pretentious wankfest by some edgy faggot who uses obscure kanji just to show off then you might need more than that.

>>142432081
Because diversity is our strength.

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>>142432036

>>142431581
>て form strictly implies completion of one action before moving on to the next. "While" is a shit way to translate it.
Dude, that doesn't even make sense here. You think they stopped caring about quality once they actually produced the video?

I guess if you abandon the "This was" part you could rephrase it as something like "We approached video production with the goal of ___" but it's not like "while" is wrong. Literal translation = shit translation

>>142431896
see
>>142429772
It works for me.

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>>142426074
The picture cracks me up

>>142432234
kek i should put images back on

>>142432010
I just tried to make sure I wasn't misremembering and it works on my Kindle.

>>142432010
>>142432191
I tried this program and the files it spats out aren't right. Do I have to use a certain setting or something?

>>142431896
I've also been disappointed with the Kindle dictionary. I don't think anything can be done about it though. I'm reading an AZW from the CoR, so I can't help you the conversion problem.

Reading German on my Kindle is nice because the dictionary works pretty well and Bing Translate, while not being accurate, is a very useful tool that I use all the time. For Japanese the dictionary isn't great and Bing Translate is completely useless.

>>142432178
It makes perfect sense. Demanded high quality and did the production work. Key thing here is that the production work wasn't done before they decided to look for high quality in those three aspects they mentioned. Don't read too much into it.
It's similar to linking two past tense statements in English with "and," which is what I did. You could make a case for a participle phrase too. "While" is simply wrong, and so finicky that the only phrase I'd be willing to translate into that is ～ながら

>Literal translation = shit translation
Yeah, that's not the point. I was explaining the process, not putting the sentence into pretty English.

>>142432403
>>142432010
>>142432191
Well shit, the file came out right now with horizontal and furigana, but Kindle literally can't look up anything but the entire line from top to bottom. Fuck, this is a headache

>>142432403
Get KnT from CoR, AozoraEpub3 http://www18.atwiki.jp/hmdev/pages/21.html (newest version doesn't even start for me, maybe you are using it and that's what fucks it up I used 1.1.0b45) covert this shit (drag-and-drop to lower part, then agree with “変換実行”. Then covert with Kindle Previewer (another drag and drop) and it should work. (put on device to check as e.g. Calibre wiever doesn't display it right) Dictionary look-ups, vertical text, and furigana intact. (Though you have manually set word boundaries to look shit up. Supposedly Send to Kindle parses text and makes it auto detect words but I don't want to connect to wifi to check it because then I get stupid ads for a few months)

>>142432823
You can adjust manually but it's hard to operate. Or try Send to Kindle I heard that it sets up word boundaries pretty well.

>>142432559
see
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-10594-page-2.html
(fourth post)

There's a dictionary made from Jim Breen's JDICT (the same dictionary that Rikaisama uses). It's probably better than whatever Kindle uses.

>>142433229
It's not the dictionary that is the problem, but the parsing. It needs to be already built into the file or something

>>142433269
Did you try Send to Kindle? It's supposed to parse the book before sending. In some previous threads anons claimed that it works iirc.

Is it just me or does the DoJG deck have tons of duplicates?

It's also just kind of weird, I'm not really sure what causes the grammatical concept it expects me to guess to automatically unmask itself in blue on the front of the card.

>>142432800
I think you're taking whatever grammar resource you learned て form from way too literally, and also that you're being far too strict with "while" and far too lenient with your comma/"and", but whatever we both understand the sentence and nobody is benefiting form this conversation.

>>142433400
As far as I know each card is there twice. One with the solution on its front and one without. Not sure how you're meant to "answer" it, I just suspended all the ones with the solution on the front when I did it.

>>142433522
Is there some sort of purpose for having the deck that way?

>I just suspended all the ones with the solution on the front when I did it.
Is there an easy way to suspend all cards with the answer on the front? Are they all tagged or something?

I thought some kind of input caused them to reveal themselves, without knowing what the trigger was. Good to know it's just a duplicate set of cards, at least.

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Hey guys! Question about Anki. How long should I expect to be using Anki before seeing results? Results as in being able to speak basic Japanese. Enough to have a simple conversation.

>>142433649
>>142433522

nevermind, I can just browse, filter by card:Cloze in deck:current, edit->select all and mass suspend, right?

>>142433708
How many scales do you have to play on piano before you can compose a basic piece?

>>142433229
I use this dictionary https://github.com/jrfonseca/jmdict-kindle Maybe that one is better, but I'm not going to pay money to find out.

I think the main problem is that Rikaisama is too good. Kindle simply can't compete.

>>142433349
Wow this somehow worked.

Though there's a problem with Kindle files when you send them as email apparently - they show up as document instead of a book. Meaning no cover, no page count and yeah. But better than nothing I guess.

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>>142433708
how many words does a person have to learn before they know how to express a desire to suck their own cock?

you can use this to figure out an answer

最近日本語を本気で勉強してしました、翻訳も初めました（二十ぐらい完成できた、だが全部はエロ漫画ばかり）でも文組成一度もやってみました、これは最初です。
どうですか？

>>142433787
Thanks for that, it seems to be based on the same database. I didn't know there was a free version.

>>142433708
>How long should I expect to be using Anki before seeing results? Results as in being able to speak basic Japanese. Enough to have a simple conversation.
∞

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqfISgCQV-U

>>142433909
お前が翻訳するなんて読者に失礼じゃないかな

>でも文組成一度もやってみました
ここがダメね
辞書でしかみたことない単語使うと１００％間違った日本語になるよ

>>142433909
もっと読むこと。

>>142433909
翻訳って
お前全然日本語書けないよ？
どうやるのか？

>people in /djt/ are now ACTUALLY using anki for grammar

This thread has lost it's way.

>>142434145
>>142434372
翻訳として、よく分ると思いますけど…お前の言うとおり単語はまだ貧弱。
だから今日は試すってと思った…

>>142434506
単語の問題だけではないとおもう

>>142434492
tae kim + reading wasn't always doing it for me

so I wanted to try DoJG + reading

is that bad?

>>142434492
DOJG has been and always will be a high tier Japanese resource.

>>142434492
I gave it a try but I hated it. Anki is just not made with grammar in mind. Flashcards should be quick, as the name suggests. Just a little bit of info on each site and a definitive correct answer to ever card. Grammar cards are neither brief, nor do they have a definitive correct answer.

Not to mention the DoJG deck is full of errors and is seemingly no longer being maintained by whoever made it.

>>142435008
>DoJG deck is full of errors
really?

>>142435008
>Grammar cards are neither brief, nor do they have a definitive correct answer.

You don't have to list off the entire back side. You can just test yourself on something like "can you make a simple sentence using the grammar rule"

>>142435008
You can put the first example sentence on the front and the translation on the back.

>>142434654
「文組成」はダメだ？　
それとも「動詞の活用」？
これは難しい…
書込みは下手くそだからすみませんでした。
でもありがとうございます付き合ってのことです。

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>>142435008
>Grammar cards are neither brief, nor do they have a definitive correct answer.

this, holy shit. i ditched that deck and just stuck with having imabi/tae kim open in one tab with reading material in another for grammar. so much easier this way

i do still have the note images though, those are useful

>>142435082
Yeah, there's a bunch of typos in it. It was automatically created by some sort software designed to read text from images, and it inevitably makes mistakes.

>>142435115
The problem is, grammar is something you're never going to master just by reading about it in a textbook. You should review grammar rules when you encounter them while reading and don't understand them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40

>>142435164
Then you're just testing yourself on your ability to remember an example sentence, not your ability to remember the grammar rule in a spontaneous environment.

>>142435222
or you could open your card browser in anki and search for the grammar rule that you don't understand

I don't see why that's necessarily worse or better than doing a ctrl-f in tae kim

>>142435008
You are being limited by the term "flashcard". Just because it is in Anki doesn't mean it has to be a flashcard.

>>142435416
Not him, but there's a spreadsheet file in the CoR which lists the page number for every bit of grammar in the DoJG books. It's just as easy to use that in combination with the PDFs (which are better since there's no typos in them).

>>142435617
There's also http://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/

>>142435217
そもそも「文組成」は意味ねえんだよ
だから辞書で拾った単語使うなっていってるんだろうが

>>142435517
Anki is literally nothing but flashcards. If you want to do SRS on something that's not flashcards, use supermemo.

>>142435348
>grammar is something you're never going to master just by reading about it in a textbook

no, but it will sure help you memorize the basic meaning of a rule so that you immediately recognize it while reading and deepen your understanding through context

your argument is like saying anki is useless for vocab in general because you'll never master the actual meaning of the word from simple english keywords IF you only do anki

that's a pretty huge if

>>142435777
The cards are too long and demand too unorthodox of a usage pattern to be useful for "memorization". They cannot be used for active recall testing. If you use anki for something other than active recall testing, anki will not help you memorize whatever information you're not doing active recall testing on.

DoJG COULD be made into a good active recall test, but the most recent active maintainer of the deck was literally actively hostile to the idea, in a delusional schizophrenic way, no matter how many people recommended it.

>>142435731
Anki is an SRS, not a flashcard program. It is good for spacing repetition of grammar cards. Once I finish the deck I'm going to set the max interval for 1-2 months so I still see everything fairly often. I never fail any of the cards, if I don't know it I just hit hard.

>>142435964
>Anki is an SRS, not a flashcard program.
The Basics
Cards

A question and answer pair is called a card. This is based on a paper flashcard with a question on one side and the answer on the back. In Anki a card doesn’t actually look like a physical card, and when you show the answer the question remains visible by default. [...]

>>142435964
>Anki is an SRS, not a flashcard program

SRS is just flashcards scaled up and improved using computing. Anki's homepage has FLASHCARDS on a banner in giant letters.

>>142435964
>Anki is an SRS, not a flashcard program.
"4chan is a discussion forum, not an image board."

What the fuck am I reading?

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>wasting studying grammar
>not just watching anime

>>142435881
they have lots of information you can choose to ignore, or skim over in summary

it's just extra information that's most useful only the first time you read it, or if you need it

I don't necessary disagree with you though, I wouldn't mind seeing a version of the deck with information cut down to be strictly used for recall, but it's definitely still usable in its current state.

>>142435964
Anki is not just an SRS, it is specifically a flashcard program.

If you want to SRS something other than flashcards, use a program that supports such intentions.

http://supermemory.info/

Have fun!

>>142435881

>DoJG COULD be made into a good active recall test, but the most recent active maintainer of the deck was literally actively hostile to the idea, in a delusional schizophrenic way, no matter how many people recommended it.

I'm pretty sure the idea was that if you're not an idiot you can figure out how to modify the template a bit to get what you like.

>>142436118
Why would I use another program when I can do it perfectly fine in Anki? I just hit show answer instantly and read the card.

>>142436086
>wasting studying grammar
I laughed

>>142436086
This, I just remember lines from anime and use them in applicable real life situations.

Is there any bigger meme in language learning than shadowing?

>>142436242
That's what happens when you change the sentence half way through and don't pay attention

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>struggle too hard with a single mined word
>delete card

煩わしい

>>142436368
I do this sometimes too, especially for onomatopoeia.

>>142436196
No, that's not the issue. The issue is that it literally does not divide the right information from the original book into the right fields. To be specific, grammar points in DoJG have both a "description" and a "summary", where the description might be something like "indicates the speaker feels clumsy" and the summary might be something like "er... ; whoops ; just kind of". The deck's data doesn't consistently or correctly divide these into fields. I don't remember the specifics. I don't even remember whether they're both consistently included.

>>142436441
Are there any tips and tricks for learning onomatopeia?
Just learning them naturally through exposure?

How are new Kanji made? Who decides what characters are used?

>>142422131
Oh, look. It's anti-blogging autist again!

>>142436751
The emperor.

>>142436667
http://onomatoproject.com/

I plan on using this eventually. It has the word, a picture, a definition, and an example sentence. There are 2 Anki decks on the resources page.

I'm not confident it will help much though. Onomatopoeia are just too hard to remember, and they really ruin my retention stats. Can't wait for them all to turn into leeches.

>>142436667
If there are I don't know them... Usually the only onomatopoeia I actually manage to remember are extremely common ones like さっぱり,　ふわふわ,　どんどん, etc.

>>142433708
I made a mistake of only grinding anki vocab deck. If you aren't autistic, it won't work. Drop it and just do genki, both textbook and workbook. Going through exercises will make you remember vocab easily.

>>142437250
>Drop it and just do genki, both textbook and workbook. Going through exercises will make you remember vocab easily.

I agree! Anki is a meme. If you want to learn Japanese you should follow this advice.

>>142436880
Damn nice link.

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>tfw almost fell for the genki meme a few months ago
damn that was close. さすが DJT

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i see this as considerably more Hannibal in my mind

>>142438081
It's extremely common for 喧嘩 to be written in kanji, I suggest fixing that card.

Should I use Slime Forest or Wanikani to learn kanji??

>>142438299
Just watch anime and learn kanji from all the signs and stuff

>>142438299
Both. The more you pay the more you will learn.

>>142438299
>Slime Forest
Did I miss a new Meme?

>>142438531
You missed an old meme, you newfag

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>>142438191
ok ta

>>142438575
Joined with thread 500-600 something and never saw it desu. You know this time when we had not a stupid new OP image every single thread.
6/10 made me reply

>>142438531
He's copying a reddit poster

I tried to use slime forest way back when

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how is this colloquially referred to in your country, anon
here its 'on the piss' of course australia

>>142438792
>desu
I shouldn't watch TV while posting here
sage
>>142438849
It's pretty obvious that it's shitposting. I just wondered what kind of shit tier SF is because there's a bunch of results on google but all I saw seemed shitty

>>142439155
>not watching anime while shitposting here
It's how I get through 20+ episodes a day

>>142439155
> I just wondered what kind of shit tier SF is because

It's a product aimed at people who want to learn Japanese without doing any work, I'm sure your souzou can tsuku.

>>142439149
off your rocker

写真を撮っているとおじいさんがカメラを片手にいい写真撮れたか？と尋ねてきました。
ばっちり、と言ったら、『そうか、そうか』と笑顔で木の下へいき写真を撮り始めてました。

"When I took pictures a old man asked me if I took good pics onehanded.

After saying it was perfect, the old man said "really, really", smiled, went under the tree and started taking pics. "

Who went under the tree and took pics? I can't identify the subject in 2nd sentence.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hUbYaadO9wSSPx8eknoV9RA0HoBucaZrF2HXvs_bp0g/edit#

Would the text on the resources page look better justified or left-aligned? Someone complained about it but I have no opinion.

>>142440950
>"When I took pictures a old man asked me if I took good pics onehanded.

* "An old man with a camera in one hand asked me if I had managed to take some good pictures."

>Who went under the tree and took pics?

The old man.

>>142441406
woulden't it be
写真を撮っているおじいさん
then?

>>142441598
No, 写真を撮っている refers to the narrator, カメラを片手に is an adverbial clause referring to the old man.

>>142442236
how can i identify it is referring to the old man and not the speaker

i can see its a adverbial phrase

>>142442444
i can see が indicating the subclause, does it always refer to the clause its nested in?

>>142442444
Context? It would be weird for someone to be taking pictures with one hand.

>>142442593
It shoulden't matter. If it can be interpreted both ways, then context comes into play.

The question is whether or not this cannot be interpreted the way I have interpreted it from a purely grammatical standpoint.

Is Babymetal a band for pedophiles? Do normal people listen to this music?

>>142443001

イジメ
ダメ
ゼッタイ

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>>142443001
>Is Babymetal a band for pedophiles?

>酔い止めば飲んでくるの忘れたき
explain this weebs

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笑う

>>142443397
nvm I think it's just the same as 酔い止めは飲んでくるの忘れたし

>>142443001
Yeah, pretty much. It's just one of those fap fodder bands.

このスレのアドバイスにしたがってアニメを見て流暢になろうとしてるが
何本観れば日本語が上達するのか

毎クール放送中のアニメ数本の他にコナンを数百話も見てるけど日本語が伸びた気がまるでしない

>>142444569
anime, advice idk what anything else says

What the hell is up with this kanji?
>溢
MS PGothic displays it completely differently from other fonts and how it's supposed to look according to jisho

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>>142444569
>tfw want to read this but it's probably full of errors and i don't want to take any of that in

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i fucking love imabi man

I'm using Genki to learn basic japanese.

Is it okay?

>>142445123
The exercises and lessons are all shit.

I did find the example dialogues slightly useful as a very very basic introduction to reading stuff though.

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>>142444824
It looks like the one on the left here, the one on the right is pre-revision.

http://www.seiai.ed.jp/sys/text/csc/ch14/c14b054.html

>>142445181
What did you used then? I'm reading the OP but maybe there's something I am missing.

>>142444917
How is 薔薇 not common? I feel like I see it written in kanji more often than katakana.

>>142445263
Firstly, what's your native language?

>>142445263
Not him. It's okish, but you shouldn't waste too much time on it. Maybe do it in 1 or 2 weeks if you are slow, then do Tae Kim.
>>142445452
Many people can't read it because the Kanji is not so common. On TV and everywhere they use Katakana. Some ppl can read it doe, but not everyone. Some of my friends looked lost when I asked them

>>142445474
Spanish and English.

>>142445580
>What did you used then?
>native English

>>142445748
I don't know why everyone here assumes being a native English speaker also means you're not a retard. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

>>142445748
Don't bully the spaniard who thinks he has native English

>>142445823
There's a difference between being a retard as in having a low IQ, and literally being unable to form basic sentences.

>>142444866
It's less full of errors than most of hte posts in these threads

>>142445996
I wouldn't call that literally being unable to form basic sentences. The sentence is there, it's just fucked.

I've heard a fair share of native English speakers say shit like that out loud, it's not such a stretch to think they would type it out that way too.

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>tfw you're finally at a level where you can read simple doujins without too much trouble

How do you guys measure your progress?

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>>142446287
i don't

i am not driven by the idea of progress but by the inherent thrill of learning something new every day

>>142443001
They apparently were big enough to perform on Colbert recently.

I'm at sub-N2 now with regards to my Japanese. What are the chances that I can get it up to N1 in time to pass the JLPT in December? My levels for the various test sections are essentially as follows:

>Vocabulary: N2
>Grammar: Between N3 and N2, easily my weakest point
>Listening: Between N2 and N1

>>142446287
>How do you guys measure your progress?
How often can I watch an anime episode without failing to get a word
How often do I get lost when listening to the news podcast

>>142446472
It depends, do you have access to amphetamines?

>>142446472
Do JCAT and post the score here

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Just ebin.

>>142447029

Well, registered for it, now just need it to send me my password.

what is a good visual novel for a beginner like me?

>>142447304
Dra Koi

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>>142447304
Hanahira

>>142447552
whats the best text hooker thing for quick dictionary
chiitrans lite or something, if my lurking has paid off

>>142447670
I've read a bit of this kusoge and I'm using this setup http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk

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>>142447670
I like ITHVNR + Furigana Inserter + Firefox. I also use Translation Aggregator, but it isn't necessary. I also recommend following the guide in >>142447870

Chiitrans seems popular, but I hated it.

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>>142447870
nice that goes straight from vn > hooker > html dummy > rikai with import
cheers

>>142448014
>that font and text box
picked up for that alone

>与える
>"to give"
what the fuck

Is this something like between あげる and やる?

>>142448646
［動ア下一］［文］あた・ふ［ハ下二］
１ 自分の所有物を他の人に渡して、その人の物とする。現在ではやや改まった言い方で、恩恵的な意味で目下の者に授ける場合に多く用いる。「子供におやつを―・える」「賞を―・える」
２ 相手のためになるものを提供する。「援助を―・える」「注意を―・える」
３ ある人の判断で人に何かをさせる。
相手に何かができるようにしてやる。配慮して利用することを認める。「発言の自由を―・える」「口実を―・える」
割り当てる。課する。「宿題を―・える」「役割を―・える」
４ 影響を及ぼす。
相手に、ある気持ち・感じなどをもたせる。「感銘を―・える」「いい印象を―・える」「苦痛を―・える」
こうむらせる。「損害を―・える」

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>>142447304
Flyable Heart

>>142448646
motto nihon no hon wo yondara dou desu ka

>>142448880
iya desu

>>142436781
>>>/reddit/

>>142448846
>hanahira
Is there a better list?

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>>142449134
Yup here it is

>>142449230
>Hanahira flyable heart
Bad list

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>>142449299
You're right, here is the actually good list

>>142449338
I see a brown jpg where is the list?

>>142449338
when they say unique kanji, is that 'useful' or made up stuff
trying to get a sense of common words

>>142449451
All useless. Native Japanese can't actually read moege without taking special kanji classes

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>>142449390
Here I fixed the list for you

>>142449451
It's just the number of kanji in the text. It's an ok indicator of how complex the vocab in the text is, although don't rely on it too much.

>>142449663
I endorse this list. Those were my first VNs.

is it even worth it to read a VN?
does it in any way give you better practice than going through an LN with a dictionary?

>>142449663
The brown just got way more intense

>>142449896
Voiced lines are amazing, both for learning and otherwise

Does somebody know a program / way to remove the DRM from bookwalker? Or at least how it is encrypted?

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おはようおにいちゃん

あしいたい

>>142449896
Why wouldn't you want to read VNs? They're simply better than other forms of media like manga and LNs, or at least the best ones are.

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>>142450217
今そのアニメ観ている
楽しいよ。ふわふわとかわいい
ねえちゃん最高

>>142450278
not about to believe you on that one

there's no way I'd consider voiced and illustrated choose your own adventure books to be a respectable form of media in english and carrying those views over into the japanese language as well does not seem to be a bad plan

>>142450600
>respectable form of media
I tip my fedora to you, good sir. I too am a gentleman of supreme taste who can appreciate only respectable forms of media.

*nods respectfully towards you*

>>142450600
You only say that because you've never read one.

But if you think about it, the only reason you think they'd be trash is in English because they'd be written by shit authors who can't get published in a real medium. If you had one of the greatest authors every to live, such as Tanaka Romeo, writing them, there's no reason they couldn't be just as respectable, high-class literature as any normal novel.

>>142450843
god i love romeo what a dreamboat

>>142450600
VNs are more adult than most LN.

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>>142450480
浜商がビールのんだらいかんだろう

>>142420093
Need help translating this sentence:

みっともないなどとは欠片も思わず、むしろ彼らしいと。

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カラオケはfucking normiesに向けである。しないよ。

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What are some good normie books to read? Like no LNs or anime related stuff. Just like novel tier stuff you'd find in English

>>142451513
google.com japanese books

wow that was hard

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>>142451536
I want DJTs reccomendations though

>>142451557
Not a rec thread.

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>>142451513
>What are some good normie books to read?
>>142451557
>I want DJTs reccomendations

>>142451411
Have some context?

Seems to be something along the lines of, "I don't think it's even a bit indecent, rather, (I think) it is becoming of him."

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You guys mind posting your core 2k/6k so I can see how dumb I am?

>>142451557
If you think you can then just go read some acclaimed fiction, like Mishima or Souseki or Murakami or whatever else.
You're not going to come across non-/a/-related cult classics on the /a/ japanese thread.

>>142451783
Thank anon!

Context was that the guy did something lame. I think you hit the nail on the head, I had trouble phrasing it.

>>142431650
I've read like 10 novels mining every word I can't read and that added up to 2700 unique kanji so far.
Last few books added only about 50 new kanji each.

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>>142451801

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>>142451490
You can chose the songs you want and there's a shit ton of anison in any respectable karaoke establishment.
It's only for "normies" if you go there with "normies".

why is falling flowers and shit a bad omen
isnt it just 'oh fuck gravity got to あかりくん i just know it'
or these tea leave remains say urination is in your future kamo
the only one thats good is the sneezing, is there no other positive omens?

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>>142448014
>Furigana Inserter
Use clipboard inserter instead

>>142451513
>normie
>books
Normies don't really read books these days, do they?

秋茄子は嫁に食わすな

>>142452777
50 shades of grey is the greatest selling book ever crossboarder-kun

>>142452932
>50 shades of grey is the greatest selling book ever
Because it somehow became trendy and women are slaves to fashion.

>crossboarder-kun
What about my post makes me a crossboarder, exactly? The only other board I use is /tv/ for the GoT threads now and then when there's a season airing.

>>142452744
I saw that in the pastebin and thought it was a typo. Thanks

>>142453011
>What about my post makes me a crossboarder, exactly?
Saying normie instead of normalfag.

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>>142452926
なすをおなかいっぱいたべたいのに

買いにくい

>>142453047
I only used "normie" because he did. You read too much into things.

>>142453072
Two wrongs don't make a right

>>142453090
Vote for trump to make /djt/ great again

>>142451513
You mean genre fiction that isn't anime?
Try 帝都物語, a pretty fucking important series.

>>142453090
Trump is a shitty Arena casual who sucks at constructed anyway.

>>142453090
Kill yourself

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>>142451801

>>142453090
Don't worry, Trump is the anime candidate, everyone on /a/ is already voting for him.

㐂

>>142453424
You're not going to fool me, china man.

>>142453303
hell id vote for him if i could just to see the look on americans faces

>>142453483
It's not Chinese doe

Fucking clappers.

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20160605-51114692-bloom_st-bus_all

>沖縄県で４日、米海軍兵が飲酒運転による事故で２人にけがを負わせていたことが分かり、岸田文雄外相は５日、キャロライン・ケネディ駐日米大使に抗議した。沖縄では５月に米軍関係者が起こした女性遺棄事件を受け、安倍晋三首相が首脳会談でオバマ米大統領に抗議したばかりだった。

>沖縄県警広報によると、４日夜、酒に酔った状態で乗用車を運転していた米海軍の２等兵曹が、対向車線を逆走して乗用車と正面衝突し、２人が負傷した。

>>142453424
happy 77th anon

>>142451513
Murakami

>>142453530
Hahaha, stupid Japs. They shouldn't have started a war they couldn't win if they weren't prepared to accept the consequences of losing.

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>long narration sections about food

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>>142453776
>long narration sections about food

>>142453776
This. I didn't pick up a scifi VN just so I could hear about how their rice pudding tastes good for twenty minutes.

>>142453822
あの子の眉毛が本当にキモいよね

>>142454022
Why are you still here? Your Japanese is already at native level

>>142448646
Kinda late reply but from my experience it means more like to bestow upon, in a "give" sense it would be used to "give" a good/bad impression.

いい/悪い印象を与える

>>142454022
太いに眉毛可愛いです

>>142454093
>太いに眉毛可愛いです
二次元なら認める

>jcafe is kill
Lads where do I get my raws now?

>>142454407
>Lads
*Cute girls
nyaa and the cor. search the name of the manga you want fallowed by .zip as a last resort.
Is it down temporarily or forever?

>>142433802
Get something that can edit the metadata, like
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1927698

Look for record 501 and change it from PDOC to EBOK and it'll be treated as a normal book with covers etc again

>>142454518
I don't think it has to do with the meta data. The file is a normal book when it is in calibre, it is the sending per email that automatically turns it into a doc for some reason. Unless you mean changing the file while it is already on the Kindle while connected with cable or something, I guess I could try that but I have my doubts.

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おなすりょうりたべたいな

たーべーたーいー

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I have only got ITH to work with a few VNs. The updater doesn't work for me either. Can someone send me theirs or is there something else I should use?

>>142454670
Learn Japanese so you can stop using it.

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>>142454649
ロリまんこたべたい

たーべーたーいー

>>142454649
浜商ってな～に

>>142454619
Yes, but if you copy the file that's now on your kindle back to your PC, change the metadata and copy it back to the kindle (not trough the send to kindle thing), you'll get a normal ebook

>>142454670
You need to activate VT-x in your BIOS so that ITH can access context switching system calls needed to catch strings from the visual novel text engine

After that it will work

>>142454769
Should I download more ram too?

>>142454740
Oh, I see. You're saying the previous sending per email already embedded the proper dictionary look ups into the file, and now I can put it onto the Kindle normally. I'll do that, thanks.

But man is this a roundabout way. Why doesn't the normal send feature parse correctly OR why does the send per email feature just not turn it into a doc? Fucking hell, I wonder how it is on the Kobo. Oh well.

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Someone brought up using HTML format LNs as reading material the other day which seems like a good idea since you can use them with Rikaisama that way. I looked over the reading list though and all the LNs there either have no difficulty rating or an intermediate or advanced one (save for キノの旅, but I really liked the anime so I'd like to wait until my Japanese is decent enough for me to enjoy it properly before I read that).

Please suggest me some easy LNs. There don't seem to be a great deal of HTML formatted ones in the CoR so please recommend whatever you can think of so there's a greater chance of something you recommend being available.