Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1558

How do you guys handle new cards in anki?
I have them all at the end of the reviews, and press "easy" on all new cards twice to push them instantly to 4 days interval.

Reminder to press good on your failed reviews. It'll make your progress through the deck more efficient.

>>142198726
>I didn't even set the hotkeys, it's already there by default, I think you can see them when you hover over the buttons
Yeah, those are all default keyboard shortcuts. As far as I know (old version) you can't change them or add additional shortcut keys to those functions.

I use autohotkey to mirror those shortcuts to my mouse. So most of the time I'm just using the scroll wheel on the mouse (down for space bar (show answer/good), up for 1 (again) and clicking it for R (repeat audio)).

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>trying to learn kanji without studying the fundamentals of oracle bone script

ISHYGDDT

>>142199223
>>142199226
>being this butthurt over how other people study
I think everything's been said by now and everyone's made up their mind. I don't see any point in ironically shitposting about it now.

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can anyone help me on getting the audio to save as well with rikaisama? not good with these things honestly

>>142199372
http://pastebin.com/q2kra4cq

>>142199438
thanks a ton

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How does /djt/ defend itself?

>>142199313
>Studying Japanese without learning Chinese first

超おそっ

>>142199331
Anon I won't have some shitty app penalize me, it tricked me into getting my cards wrong.

>>142199380
知る！

>>142199521
What a disgusting "person"

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I was skimming through some old folders and came across this image which I saved from 99chan in 2011. I had totally forgotten about it and never actually got round to using it, but to my surprise it contains all the resources which are typically recommended in these threads.

It lists a bunch of other resources too that I've never seen mentioned here though. Has anyone here used them? Are they any good?

Can you guys recommend anything in Japanese with lots of techno-babble?

Something like MGS:
https://youtu.be/-EuEICMWIvc?t=12m30s (12m30s)

>文章は、短ければ短いほど、簡単なら簡単なほどよいです。

what the fuck

>>142200919
Baldr Sky has plenty of that.

>>142201019
It's true.

>>142200919
Star Trek, the Japanese edition.

>>142200817
>if sean connery can do it, so can you
I should try to be this optimistic.

味わわせさせられる

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>>142201297
>double causative

>>142201063
Already read part of Baldr Sky Dive1 a long time ago and this is true.

>>142201297
味わわせられませんでした

>>142201337
I was made to make him make me devour him.

>college taught ふ etc to be pronounced like "hu" instead of "fu".
This has fucked me up so many times. Why would you teach like this if its not correct?

>>142201414
it's both
just like し is both shi and si
and つ is both tsu and tu

>>142201440
Then how do you know which?

>>142201477
it's not a matter of which one
it's a matter of being both

>>142201414
>the h in ふ is different from the h in ひ which is different from the h's in はへほ
>づ and ぢ are pronounced differently from ず and じ
>ん is articulated at the same point as the following consonant, or is velar at the end of an utterance

I bet none of you even pronounce the vowels properly

>>142201477
stop thinking in romaji

ふ is ふ , which is something between fu and hu. Neither of those sounds actually exists in japanese.
Just like the whole R / L thing

>>142201506
So you can pronounce france like hu-ran-su and it is acceptable?

>>142201477
How do you know whether to pronounce i like in sing or like in ripe?

EOPs I swear

>>142201019
>what the fuck
elaborate

>>142201566
I can't read romaji

>>142201566
yes as long as you pronounce the "u" in "hu" correctly so that it influences the h

in english, the h has undefined location. notice how "hah" and "he" put more turbulence in different parts of the mouth

the japanese "u" is pronounced closer to the center of the mouth than the english "u", both the tongue part and the lips part

this makes it push the "h" in "hu" into a location that is close to, but not identical to, the english "f" sound

loanwords with "fa" and "fi" sequences can be pronounced with h, though it is increasingly considered incorrect to do so. meanwhile, "hu"/"fu" merely has to be between "h" and "f".

>>142201642
You should do Heisig's RTR (remembering the romanji)

>>142201566
http://forvo.com/word/%E3%83%95%E3%83%A9%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B9/#ja


compare the first two

the fist one is definitely more 'hu', while the secomd has a clear 'f'-sound.

>>142201747
Second girl has a pretty cute voice.

What the hell is wrong with my life.

>>142201816
Personally I think the third one sounds more kawaii

>>142201697
>>142201747
OK that's easy then. I'll go with a more "f" sound since that is what everyone else seems to do.

>日ソ
What a super cool and useful word. Thank you core.

>>142201844
urantsu

>>142201862
Is that actually in core? Jesus

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If Mukudori was my sister, things would be different around here.

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i already have 700 words in my mining deck without audio, do i really need to go through and add audio to them with rikaisama? do you use audio with yours? i'm lazy

>>142201414
It's actually a sound half-way between hu and fu, though in some words it can lean closer to one sound than the other.

Before you get butthurt over that one little ambiguity, imagine how shitty it is for Japs learning English with all the fucked up spelling we have in this language.

>>142202135
>imagine how shitty it is for Japs learning English with all the fucked up spelling we have in this language.
This is paid back twicefold with how hard it is to read and write their retarded language.

>>142202054
No, audio is completely meaningless. It doesn't mean anything.

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>>142201513
>>づ and ぢ are pronounced differently from ず and じ
That's a regional thing, actually.

>>142202187
What does the first alternative sound like in practice?

>>142201513
>I bet none of you even pronounce the vowels properly
is that a challenge

So I have been out of the loop for a long time, I've just been reading + anki and listening via watching show.

What happened with 10,000 sentences and what the fuck is MCD? Is it the new learn Japanese in quick fad or is it legit? Where are the anki decks? Also does anyone have the old 10,000 sentence deck?

>>142202187
I must have been lived in Hokkaido or Touhoku in one of my previous lives

How many people actually became fluent thanks to this general? I feel like then number is probably extremely low.

>>142202287
>What happened with 10,000 sentences
Do you mean Core10k?
>and what the fuck is MCD?
Never heard it before

>>142202252
well there's five different possible consonant sounds in this class of sounds

z, j, d, dz, dj

i'd say 1 is probably "everything is z"

>>142202328
If you keep up your reps, you will eventually become fluent.

>>142202328
A number far beyond any human reckoning.

>>142202252
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fDwVprjd00

>>142202328
I don't think anyone becomes fluent thanks to any general, it exists for people to get STARTED. Getting fluent is all on the individual.

>>142201862
There's also 米ソ

>>142202187
Worth bearing in mind that chart is about old people.

And modern spelling reform mostly swapped づ for ず and ぢ for じ (and the exceptions were because of just logical spelling relationship to つ and ち), so it doesn't even make sense to use standard spelling as though the difference were preserved there.

There was an image with a list of manga / vn to read in order from basic to advanced floating around awhile ago, does anyone have that?

>>142202492
stop using dumb charts and read what you want m8

>>142202252
There's a page on imabi about it. It's probably explained there.

http://www.imabi.net/l279yotsugana.htm

>>142199223
>and press "easy" on all new cards twice to push them instantly to 4 days interval.

why would you do this?

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>again count: 297 (36.3% correct)

>>142202482
modern spelling reform actually represents the way pedants spoke around that time

>>142202605
大丈夫

>>142202605
>retention below 50%
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/613684242
you're welcome
I take no responsibility if your true retention is even lower

>>142202328
People stop frequenting this general once they can read most of the things they want to read. At that point /djt/ simply doesn't have anything to offer you that you couldn't get on other more fitting communities, like Japanaese media recommendations and what not.

While I don't know about fluent I do think a lot of people reached a rather solid level in Japanese thanks to /djt/.

>>142202671
>I take no responsibility if your true retention is even lower

Is that even possible mathematically?

>>142202328
I wouldn't say I'm fluent, but I can read the things I want to read without too much trouble.

But like >>142202405 said, only thing the general really did for me was link me to Anki and KD. I enjoy (sort of) popping in here every now and again, though.

>>142202741
mathematically? yes

>>142202535
its bait, anon

check the previous thread for the rest of the autistic argument

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>>142202741
We're not doing this again

>>142202796
Ahh, autismal arguments over the correct usage of Anki. My favorite part of DJT.

>>142202791
So if you fail all normal reviews, but pass all relearn steps, your true retention would be 0, while regular Anki would show 50% or more, depending on the number of relearn steps?

>mfw run into paragraph with a bunch of words from the last core rep
萌えゲー aren't half bad for starting materials

>>142202891
yes

>>142202891
>>142202919
also another factor is new cards, which will also denormalize anki's correct %, but true retention entirely ignores

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>愛
>If you really love someone, you won´t keep them in a cage-like bird house relationship, but rather open the door and let their heart walk around freely. Think less about "I" (あい) and more about "we".

So, this is the Japanese concept of true love.

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>japanese

>>142202328
When people reach an appropriate level of fluency they move to 2chan to shitpost in the daily English threads

>>142203048
I came to shitpost here after fluency

>>142203017
>it's a wash
>wash these
ENGLISH.

>>142203017
I know of 洗い出す but I'm not sure I've heard 洗い by itself to mean "investigate".

>>142203016
Why the fuck are you learning japanese from cucks

>>142203139
Top rated RTK stories, mate.

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>>142202605
>skip Anki for months
>1400 reps
>85% retention rate

>>142203128
Watch something like SAC and you'll hear quite a bit about washing

>>142203392
I guess I must've been neglecting stories about police work in general.

>>142203017
足を洗う

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I like it

>>142203966
what the fuck

>>142204005
It's what happens when you look up 足りる and 瓶 on jisho

>>142203966
FINALLY EVEN JAPANESE RECOGNIZE THE GLORY OF JIZZUS CHRIST

>>142200817

Basically everything there (with the exception of the Kodansha books) has been talked about here at some point. I know I myself am a big fan of JTMW. Overall that's a pretty damn good image, especially for the time - I don't think there's much reason to have a physical kanji dictionary anymore, and textbook-style learning clashes with the DJT philosophy, but otherwise it's got some good info.

One such piece of info being the mentioning of Kenkyusha. If an anon is reading this and doesn't have it, pls go download it and install it for Rikaisama, it covers fewer terms but usually has better definitions than EDICT. You can just switch back and forth between them by pressing P.

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what are you guys reading?

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>>142204252

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>>142204252
Kino volume 5 at the moment

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>>142204252

>>142204252
I finished Jinrui wa Suitai Shimashita not too long ago. Right now I'm basically just reading eroge and Accel World

>>142204448
How many years?

>>142204529
Impossible to say since I've taken many long breaks on the way. It took me years between getting the kana down to actually studying kanji and vocabulary in any meaningful way.

>>142204636
I know this feel

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>>142204252
イリヤの空、UFOの夏

my first anime book, i always wondered what they would be like

>>142204674
>first LN is Iriya
Oh fucking boy, expect every other LN in existence to pale in comparison.

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>>142204252
I read the first page of Zero no Tsukaima last night. Actually, I just checked and I only really read half the first page. It seems like 2 pages on my Kindle is 1 page in the LN scans.

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>>142204252

この写真を出したのはシリアの政府と戦っている男性で、３月にも安田さんだという人のビデオをインターネットに出しています。写真は別の男性に頼まれて出したと言っています。


This pic was released by a man fighting the syrian government, in march he also was releasing videos of yasuda. He requested pic from other person and put it out he said.

I dont have confidence in this. 男性で why で

>>142204252
Jojo ダイヤモンドは砕けない

>>142204818
Isn't that just the copula that allows for noun sentences to be connected together?

Like using the て form of a verb

>>142204784
I saw this in dojg

>>142204784
Is it really a Nobel Prize contender piece of literature?

>>142205101
Don't know, I'm not an expert on literature. I find it a bit boring to be honest (although there are some passages I really like, the first few pages are god-tier for examples).

>>142204874
that was my initial thought but that implies a cause-effect relationship or sequence of actions

>>142204252
core 2k/6k

>>142204818
inb4
>beginners giving beginners advice
I don't know what I'm talking about either but the で probably just implies the one who released the picture is from/of the men fighting the Syrian government. Or Maybe it means the video was released by "the mean fighting the Syrian government", so them as a whole being the subject.

And I think it's not a video of Yasua, but by/from Yasuda. Then the last line seems more like "He entrusted the release of the picture to other men"

But yeah I'm as shit as you, let's get along well senpai

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>reps
>know what the kanji means but don't know how to say it
>doesn't matter because furigana is there when i'm reading
>end up knowing later on because of that
thanks japan

>>142205370
Wow my typing went to shit there

Also I only now released 男性 might as well be a single guy.

>>142204818
で is just connecting the sentences here. It could be です an the meaning wouldn't change.

>>142205447
Don't worry you still won't know how to say plenty of words when you start reading shit that doesn't have furigana

>>142205521
>end up knowing later on because of that
aka i didn't need furigana later on the more i read. i read chapters over and over until every word in it sticks, then i move on

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>>142204205
>One such piece of info being the mentioning of Kenkyusha. If an anon is reading this and doesn't have it, pls go download it and install it for Rikaisama
How do I do that? I CTRL+F'd for Kenkyusha on the Rikaisama page but this is the only mention of it.

There's no instructions about where to get it or how to install it.

>>142204818
>写真は別の男性に頼まれて出したと言っています。
He received the picture from some other dude and put it online, he claims.

>>142203017
think of it as "combing through something". it's not used often, just like the english phrase

>>142205447
If you don't know the meaning you are alright, if you don't know the reading you failed.

>>142205566

The file is in the CoR somewhere, it's an EPWING J-E dictionary. There should be instructions on the rikaisama page or somewhere as to how to install it.

>>142205577
got it. thank you

>>142205626
Ah, thanks, I found it. If anyone else is interested, it's listed as "J-E EPWING Dictionary (新和英大辞典 第５版)" in the 教本 section of the CoR.

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おはようおにいちゃん

おなかいたい

>>142205370
>beginners giving beginners advice

It's not the particle で, it's the copula

安田さんという人のビデオ can mean either a video of yasuda or a video made by yasuda, that info is something you need context for

頼む means to entrust, to ask, to rely on someone, etc.
here it is in passive form so it means he was being asked by other men for the photos

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や、やった．．．

>>142205838
Oh fuck, this is the Windows version...

>>142206303
Shouldn't the files inside be all you need? All I did was extract an iso I found off a russian torrent site and plug the catalogs file into rikai, does that not work unless you're on windows?

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>>142206387
I just tried that and it doesn't seem to be working. When I try to enable EPWING mode, pic related happens.

>>142206519
But the version history claims that it should work:

>Version 21.0 - 2015 March 7

> Real-Time Import and EPWING features now work on Linux and Mac platforms. Contributed by Boaz Yaniv.

>>142204415
>he hasn't finished Island already

>>142206124
舐めてあげる

>>142206519
I got it to work. Did you add the CATALOGS file to Rikai under the EPWING tab?

>>142206572
Nothing interesting this month

>>142206519
Try this:
>● Added the about:config "extensions.rikaisama.epwingusewine" option for Linux users. Enable this if the native EPWING lookup executable doesn't work.

>>142206633
actually, that might be deprecated by the version following that one.

You are using the Linux build, right? Because EPWING stuff is one of the platform specific points.

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>>142206594
Yep.

>>142206601
>Nothing interesting this month
Zen pls go

>>142206740
Even Micchi wasn't all that enthusiastic about this month

What the fuck does どっこいあるんです mean? How can you ある a どっこい?

Does it just mean wait a second?

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>>142204252
I'm reading よつばと！ too actually. Someone said it was really easy, and it was true because I've only got like 70 days of Core 6k but I can read it pretty well, and actually makes me laugh sometimes, not sure if it's legitimately funny or because I manage to grasp the simplest of humor in Japanese it's funnier than it should be.

It's also my first manga that isn't a porn doujin and I love it, IT'S LIKE READING ANIME

>>142206808
Haven't visited there for a year, but I guessed he would not change

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>>142206921
>ところがどっこい

のいみだとおもうよ

なんでそういうのかはしらないよ

>>142207002
ull make it

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葉っぱ

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ゆきのん、発見いたしました

By episode 4 it gets even better

>>142207092
make it where?

Is my sentence correct I am learning for 3 days
精液を飲みながら、私のお尻からちんぽを上げました。

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>>142207208
プリプリ

>>142207081
Ah that would make sense

ありがとう、いもうとさん

>>142206124
もう生理始まった？

>>142206633
I tried this but it didn't work.

As a last resort, I tried reinstalling Rikaisama and for some reason that fixed it, although now if I set the extensions.rikaisama.epwingusewine string's value to "false" it stops working again (this time I get no error message at all though, absolutely nothing happens if I try to activate EPWING with extensions.rikaisama.epwingusewine set to "false").

Anyway, for whatever reason it's working now. Thanks everyone.

>>142207267
What is this?

>>142207267
are you using a proxy to watch it? or is it available to steal somewhere?

>>142207650
filename

>>142207872
Torrent:
jdramacity

Subs (it's more comfortable):
jpsubbers dot web44 dot net/Japanese-Subtitles

>>142206601
So you've read every good VN in existence up to the present and now have nothing to do but wait for good new releases?
I'm impressed, and feel really sorry for you.

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I CANT LEARN JAPANESE
I'VE TRIED FOR TWO YEARS FOR HOURS UPON HOURS AND ITS JUST NOT CLICKING

I HAVE NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT BESIDES BEING ABLE TO READ OLD SCHOOL JRPGS EXCEPT FOR VOCABULARY!!!


REEEEE

>>142208478
just download a LN or something and read it bruh

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>>142204252
It's surprisingly easy, and very nice as well.

>>142208478
Fluency is like a 5 year journey at the very least, you've still got another 3 years of feeling like that

Gambatay!

>>142208541
that image is gross

>>142208541
Looks pretty queer

>>142208719
ur mum is gross

>>142208749
素晴らしい火傷

>>142208478
Shit, I'm screencapping this to show dekinai-chan later when she gets online.

>>142208129
Thank you SO MUCH for this anon holy shit.
I've been watching the 99.9% 弁護牛 show every week on wilsonjj tv but didn't know where to find japanese subs. this is a great resource.

I started core and these counters are pissing me off. RRRR

How to learn Japanese correctly:

1. Learn Spanish so pronunciation is easy.
2. Learn Korean so grammar is easy.
3. Learn Chinese so kanji are easy.
4. Learn Japanese.

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>>142204252

>>142209418
Korean grammar's similar to Japanese grammar?

>>142208129
the subs don't seem to sync up at all for this show

>>142209533
None of them do, and what's worse, a lot of lines are just randomly missing. They're a waste of time.

>>142209418
any method that involves learning one of those three stinking gutter languages is not the right method to follow if you want to do anything correctly
let alone learn japanese

>>142209418
Japanese grammar is the easiest in the world. Korean sounds like shit (reason why k-pop is unbearable) and chinese looks like shit (all ideograms from start to end!).
If you want all the shitty latin grammar with the declinations for the nouns, pronouns, adjectives, plus the gender related shit... yes, come on learn spanish (or french. Or italian). Be my guest.

So you start with japanese. And you stop there because all the rest is a fucking pain.

>>142209523
Certainly not. Dropped after one week because it was hell compared to japanese.

>>142209685
>chinese looks like shit (all ideograms from start to end!).
Try using something other than communist shit.

>>142209731
Mmm figured as much

Korean's only good for the written language, and even then it looks like shit it's just made really well

>>142208541
I don't think you could ever find a shittier scan of that cover... congrats for finding this gem..

>>142208730
Bartenders are women magnet, nothing gay at all. I had a french friend who was a part time bartender and \he could get all the japanese pussy he wanted. Hell, it's even the way he found his wife and now they have three kids!

>>142209872
>French
>Bartender

The queer levels are through the roof

>>142209418
Good thing Spanish is my native language :^)
It probably also helps with understanding conjugations, which are harder than english ones but much easier than spanish.

>>142209925
japanese conjugations are practically nonexistent though
how could they possibly be harder than english

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>>142209486
>私は百合豚だ
>このクソゲーがSteamで売らなくなった
>30€
>日本語字幕がない
何のため？
最後に日本海賊版をダウンロードした、それにVNがそんなに高すぎるのは普通のか？

>>142209872
>bartending turned a white man into a degenerate who birthed three abominations in the eyes of God with a yellow woman

Don't become a bartender kids.

>>142209998
Thing with english is it's more mix 'n match, you have like 4 forms of the actual verbs (play, plays, played, playing, and I think that's it) and the rest is done with auxiliary things like did, have, will, etc.
Spanish barely has any of the auxiliary things and instead has a fucking million forms for each verb, and add to that irregular verbs which you have to memorize.
Japanese conjugates in a similar way to spanish, but there's only a couple conjugations for each verb (as opposed to Spanish) and there's only like 12 irregular verbs.

I learned a new word in Japanese today!
できる！

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feel when neet, and don't care about speaking with japanese people, so you message otaku american girls on hellotalk in japanese just because you want the female contact.

getting desperate here.

>>142210430
Girls aren't ever going to like you if you're a poor neet.

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>>142210430
>tfw lack the confidence to pathetically contact females like anon
We could swap

>>142210430
Those Japs on Hellotalk are ultra normies

I keep starting conversations with them for like a few days and then getting bored because they're such normies and completely ignoring them

Feel pretty bad about it really

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>>142210503
>>142210514
Im not actually a poor neet. I just never bothered to get a gf during the school year. There was two times I had the chance to ask some girl out, but I blew it because I did not want the hassle of having a girlfriend, and just went back to my room to work on hobbies.

But now, im lonely, basically a neet, and all I have is 20 year old neets on an imageboard. All I want is an some otaku girl I can talk to like 20 mins a day, talk about anime, and maybe play some games.

Im sick of messaging nips. I want some english otaku girls.

>>142210620
This. I actually met one jap girl who was not a normie. But then I told her I loved her, and she freaked out. fuck.

You may think im a disgusting lonely loser, but, what can I say, I get really lonely just sitting in my room doing hobbies.

>>142210757
>You may think im a disgusting lonely loser,
>You may think
>may

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>>142204252
I am reading Non Non Biyori.

The anime.

>>142210757
>Im not actually a poor neet
>during the school year
>But now, im lonely, basically a neet
Off yourself, mate.
>But then I told her I loved her, and she freaked out.
Why the fuck did you do that? You should've known that nothing good comes out of confessing to random girls you barely know.

>>142210757
Why did you tell her you love her oh my God.
Anyway, you sound cute.

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>>142210757
>I actually met one jap girl who was not a normie. But then I told her I loved her, and she freaked out. fuck.
Tell us more.

>>142210860
Why not watch it instead

I just started rewatching it raw with subs, shit's max comfy

I have taken 2 semesters of Japanese. I know hiragana / katakana and maybe 50 kanji and basic sentence structure. Is there a VN or something on my level?

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>>142211042
>raw with subs

>>142211071
This post is 100% bait.

>>142210757
On second thought let's not swap

>>142211152
Why would it be? I read the OP with recommendations, but I was asking for advice. Fuck off if you don't want to be helpful.

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>>142210876
>>142210912
>why did you tell her
I was a retard at the time. One of the first girls I liked because she wasn't a norm You get a load of undeserved confidence when you are online. I just went for it. I did like her. She was an artist, and im the guy who keeps spamming about wanting to marry a japanese art girl.

Anyway, Im a highschooler. I still love doing my hobbies. I just hope I dont fuck everything up when i'm in college, and miss out being with a qt otaku girl.

I asked a girl out in my grade early this year. We almost did, I would just have to meet up with her in school again to plan it. So I didn't stood her up. But I didn't do it Even though she watched anime, I didn't actually like her. I wanted to be with an art girl, someone I like.

So I asked her out, got a huge rush of happy chemicals, but then I blew it off. Just so I can do my neet hobbies, which I love. But now all im doing is hugging my pillow in my bed, thinking about being with a girl.

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>>142204252
Fucking hard but so hilarious, I can't stop.

>>142211185
Holy fuck stop blogging here you fat fuck

>>142209923
I don't know how you can relate french people to anything gay. Aren't you mistaking them for their neighbours, on that tiny island?

>>142211218
Honestly, he's so normie he actually asked a girl out and got told yes (not to mention he's going to college) and yet he's pretending to be a NEET loser for 4chan cred.

>>142211152
Dude if the bait evolved to a level where kanji isn't written as kanjis anymore we'd be fucked, nowhere would be safe

>>142211071
Do you know how to set up a text hooker? You'll need one.
Hanahira is a terrible VN but the most commonly recommended one for beginners because of its simple sentence structure and easy kanji.
I'd also recommend Yotsubato with the Yotsubato reading packs, which include Anki decks. You can find all these resources in the guide and/or Cornucopia of Resources.

>>142210069
That jelly is quite delicious, thank you for the treat.

>>142211042
I read and mine the episodes first, then watch them after I've reviewed the new cards at least once.

I will admit it's sometimes hard to figure out what is happening from the text alone, but it's a nice feeling when you realize you either guessed right or it wouldn't have made sense without the pictures in the first place.

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>>142211185
>Im a highschooler.

>>142211185
>Im a highschooler
It shows.

>>142211308
>Do you know how to set up a text hooker?
No, but I can look into it. I've played Japanese games on my computer before just fine, why would I need to fuck with the text?

>>142211185
Maybe you'll be able to actually function around females once your balls have dropped.

>>142211367
so that you can quickly get the definition and readings for words you can't read

>>142211407
Oh, I didn't know something like that existed. I'll look into it, shouldn't be too hard. Thanks.

>>142211308
>Hanahira is a terrible VN
That's sad to hear. I was going to play that soon. I was hoping for something like YuruYuri in vn form.

>>142211367
Because there's no way you learned shit from taking a single year of Japanese in school, you'll need to have the raw text available to make it easy to look up words and grammar structures you don't know.

>>142211367
So you just need to hover over it to get a translation. Don't expect to read a VN without having to lookup a new kanji every 5 sentences any time soon. If you had to copy paste each one individually you'd never get anywhere.

First Google result for texthooker should be all you need. I'll also add this to the spoonfeed because as far as I know an anon from ITT made it and it's great: http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk

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>>142211474
just read yuru yuri in manga form

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>>142211329
>>142211360
>>142211390
>>142211218
4chan has been my best friend since 8th grade. Im not fat. I went on a 4 hour walk saturday out of pure boredom. Im deleting the hellotalk account, and getting back to my neet hobbies.

気を付けて

>>142211474
It's fine if you're into moege I guess, but I had absolutely no interest in it aside from learning Japanese and it was ridiculously tedious. Should've read Yotsubato right away.

>>142211478
My college course at UAH taught us hiragana / katakana within the first semester as well as basic Japanese, and kanji + intermediate Japanese by the 2nd. And I have stacks upon stacks of notecards to prove it.

Sorry that whatever program you used sucks.

>>142211561
Do you know what NEET stands for? You're not a NEET unless you drop out of school.

>>142211594
ffs it was bait after all

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>>142211561

>>142211637
How the fuck is learning basic Japanese in a year bait? Are you just really fucking slow?

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>>142211522
I've already read everything that's been TL'd and watched the show. I'm still pretty new and I think it would be too hard and not compelling enough to reread it all.

>>142211574
I'm not sure if I am, but I suppose I'll find out. Is it at least funny?

>>142211594
>My college course at UAH taught us hiragana / katakana within the first semester as well as basic Japanese, and kanji + intermediate Japanese by the 2nd.

so essentially nothing, gj wasting your time with your shitty japanese courses m8

>>142211685
it's ok to stop posting when your act falls apart buddy

>>142211685
>one year
>fiddy kanji
>it only took me three decades to learn japanese

>>142211685
If you defend a Japanese college course you're baiting, even if you genuinely believe it.

It's not about being faster than self study, it's about being stupidly slow compared to self study. You can learn Hiragana and Katakana on realkana.com within 5 hours if you try hard and basic grammar within another 10 hours with Tae Kim's guide if you try hard.

>>142211724
Well it's just 2 classes per week, or 2 and a half hours per week. Definitely not wasted, it was a fun departure from the boring classes.

>>142211779
I'm starting to realize this general has some hatred against Japanese courses. Bunch of poorfags?

>>142211779
>mfw i capitalized hiragan and katakana
I'm disappointed in myself

>>142211708
Eh, it's that moeblob kind of funny if you get what I mean.

>>142211805
No one unnecessarily hated on college courses, some anon just said you probably didn't learn shit from it, which is right. As you said it's more like a "fun departure from the boring classes" if anything.
You are the one that went full sperg making fun of others saying their methods are just slow as fuck and that they're jelly.

>>142211779
>it's about being stupidly slow compared to self study
90% of my Japanese course was self study. You just go in there so the teacher makes sure you're on the right track + give written / oral exams, and then cram with notecards and audiobooks when you get home. It's still self study, just structured. And structure is what a lot of people need.

>>142212000
You know that's not what self study means, and you undeniably learned slower doing college classes than if you had actually done self study for a year instead.

>>142211474
You could try Lilycle Rainbow Stage

>>142212108
>and you undeniably learned slower doing college classes than if you had actually done self study for a year instead.
Definitely not true. There's no way I would have stayed up for hours every night crammed over thousands of notecards in anticipation for the next test, or done the 30+ pages of homework due every week. No fucking way I would have done that by myself.

Maybe some people have that kind of self discipline, but definitely not me.

>>142212000
Idk man I for one don't want to shit on other's learning methods since in the end it's impossible to tell which way woulda been best for each individual, but the things you mentioned earlier that you learned so far are pretty basic <1 month stuff.

>>142212167
Sounds like you studied retardedly.

Roughly how many words do you think you know after a year? How many kanji? What quantifiable tests have you passed?

>>142211912
I took six languages in high school, none of them past the second year. Basically used them as study halls that came with an A+.

>>142212167
>thousands of notecards
>know 50 kanji
This is what confuses me

>>142212230
>Roughly how many words do you think you know after a year? How many kanji? What quantifiable tests have you passed?
Maybe 500 Japanese words, sentence structure, handwriting, speaking 1 on 1 with Japanese people (interns and the like) and guests and oral exams. I wish I had scans of the tests, they were no joke. I'd be interested in seeing how you anons would have done.

>>142212314
>500 words

Literally below N5 level after a whole fucking YEAR.

>>142212314
Not that you have any obligation to prove anything, but if you do want to take a standardized test (or rather the closest thing to it we have) you could try taking J-Cat

>>142212251
We started moving on to Kanji towards the middle of the second semester. Reminder that we didn't just learn the kanji, we learned all the variants too. And thinking back, it was more like 80 Kanji, all in the span of about a month. A single kanji typically has 10+ different applications.

>>142212314
That's an absolute joke.

Most people here will manage 6k within their first year, and none of them will spend a single day going through thousands of note cards with what I can only assume are retarded boilerplate sentences you can spout at people treating you like a child.

>>142212314
>over thousands of notecards
>500 words

I'm finding it hard to trust your personal judgment of both your language skill and the rigor of your college course here, you're flipping over with every new post you make

>>142212314
You can do Core6k in less than a year at a rate of 20 words per day, anon. That's 12 times the amount of words you've learned, at the cost of an hour a day of your time.

>>142212366
>you could try taking J-Cat
Sure, as long as it's just a simple download.

>>142212371
>80 kanji

LITERALLY BELOW N5 LEVEL

AFTER A WHOLE YEAR

>>142212371
80 kanji in a month, is less than 3 a day. What in the fuck were you doing? That's 10 minutes of work, tops.

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>>142212314
>Maybe 500 Japanese words
Doing Core 6k completely takes about half a year if you do 30 new cards a day. That's 6000 words verses your 500.
>speaking 1 on 1 with Japanese people
This is the only positive thing that you've mentioned about your course.

>>142212371
>A single kanji typically has 10+ different applications.
I love how you pointed that out like "you might not know, but heres how the japanese writing system works"
Do you know where you are?

>>142212433
Google it

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>>142211146
>not texthooking japanese closed captions

>>142212445
It's probably the kind of course where they make you memorize all the readings of 生and regurgitate them on a test lol.

>>142212445
>80 kanji in a month
We weren't solely focused on Kanji, that was an aside in addition to the spoken / listening parts and grammar.

>>142212464
>speaking 1 on 1 with Japanese people
Yeah the speaking part was a huge part of it. Being in front of real people speaking and listening is a must for learning a new language. How you anons get this experience is beyond me, unless you take trips to Japan.

>>142212497
This, 80 kanji was something like 300 different readings and associated words.

I was way off on my estimate, it was a lot more than 500 words we learned. At least a few thousand.

>>142212516
>Yeah the speaking part was a huge part of it. Being in front of real people speaking and listening is a must for learning a new language. How you anons get this experience is beyond me, unless you take trips to Japan.
I'm only learning this language for visual novels and manga.

>>142212516
>Being in front of real people speaking and listening is a must for learning a new language
Only if you want to have conversations with people, which I'm going to make the wild guess that not too many people here are interested in. You can learn how to understand a language just fine from input only, and output can come after.

>>142212568
Just do JCAT and post your score already, it takes like 30 minutes.

>>142212516
>>We weren't solely focused on Kanji, that was an aside in addition to the spoken / listening parts and grammar.
You don't understand. 3 kanji a day is a joke, even if you have a fucking packed day where you spend 10 hours going over the differences between はand が. You've learned close to nothing.

>Being in front of real people speaking and listening is a must for learning a new language
It clearly worked out so well given you're below N5 tier after a year.

>>142212568
Oh, so now it's a few thousand? Here buddy, post your score.
http://jp.morpheem.com/text#!/estimate-intro

>>142212568
>I was way off on my estimate, it was a lot more than 500 words we learned. At least a few thousand.
now youre just fucking with us

go take jcat or something so we can laugh at you

>>142212605
Don't really agree with this at all. If you want to just be able to read VN or whatever, sure. But if you want to become fluent in a language you really have to spend time talking to people who speak it, which the course was able to offer for us.

>>142212649
After remembering all the readings of Kanji, it was a hell of a lot more than 500 in total words. How the fuck should I know how many in total it was? We learned a lot of words, many per day.

>>142212677
Regardless, it seems like you at least have a good enough base to start reading, so pick up a manga or LN/VN after you're done shitposting. Start a mining deck on Anki, too.

>>142212516
>Being in front of real people speaking and listening is a must for learning a new language.
There are endless interviews, radio shows, and various other programs that offer off-the-cuff, casual speech in any kind of context you can imagine.
As for speaking, the vast majority of work perfecting pronunciation and sounding natural will come from listening, not from being critiqued by a teacher.
There's nothing magical about talking to someone face to face unless you have social anxiety. It's certainly useful, but not indispensable for achieving functional proficiency in a language.

Wanted to get some opinions on this. How valuable is Core if you're already good enough to read?

I stopped doing Core after like 5000 words, the reps were just too shitty. I still use Anki, but only for a kanji deck and the DOJG deck.

But I read in some other thread (on /jp/, I think) some guy talking about how he learned 30000 words from Anki decks and how essential it was for his advancement.

What do you guys think? Is death by anki worth the trouble?

>>142211474
That guy has shit taste, if you like cute yuri girls Hanahira is great

>>142212807
If you're good enough to read, mine. Anki is the best route to long-term retention.

>>142212807
Start a mining deck and keep the daily new cards low so you don't have to worry about a high amount of reps.

>>142212795
To be honest, you still absorb shit far better if you're doing the talking yourself, especially if they're long term acquaintances, in which case you'll naturally tune yourself to use similar patterns and mannerisms, even eventually acquiring some of the accent.
It doesn't work anywhere near as well if you're just a passive observer.

>>142212677
I agree with anon, though. You can get better at speaking later, after your comprehension skills are good enough. It's not like training your native language speaking skills is not a thing.

>>142212677
Fluent means you can express yourself easily and articulately in the language, so yes, you do need to talk to others to become fluent.
I don't assume you have an immediate goal of fluency in mind when you refer to learning a language, though. Learning a language is a process and input is infinitely more valuable than output in that process. You could read books for a year before talking, and by then you would know enough to be able to properly convey something in Japanese to a native if you needed to.

アンディと楽しそうにおしゃべりしている陽子が憎らしいやらねたましいやらで、人と話していても上の空だった。

My mind was somewhere else when I was talking with people because I was mad at and jealous of Yoko, whom I saw talking happiy with Andy.

Isn't 陽子 the one who is jealous as indicated by が?

>>142212894
Just talk to a mirror. Even when I was bullshitting my way through Flyable Heart with a dictionary in hand, I read every sentence aloud to myself.
Having friends who you're confident speaking the language with is great, but I would contend that it's more of a confidence booster than anything.

>>142212989
Adjectives like that generally mean the feeling is being directed at the subject, not coming from it.

>>142212989
It's the same use of が as　～が好き,　～が嫌い,　～が嬉しい, etc.

>>142209418
1. Be born Finnish so pronunciation is easy.
2. Watch anime so grammar is easy.
3. ???
4. Learn Japanese.

>>142213401
>be born Finnish

But on the other hand then you have to live with being a Mongolian half-breed.

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>>142207360
ちゅ

だいすきだよ

>>142213401
>1. Be born Finnish so pronunciation is easy.
Hah, no. Finnish people can't pronounce Japanese for shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZjGEje6hHw
Here's "Marutei Tsurunen", a Finnish guy who's been living in Japan since the 60s and through some magic got elected into the Diet of Japan, and he still sounds like shit.

>>142211185
Global Rules
2. You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.

What site do you use to read japanese at an adult level with a variety of topics?

>>142213805
futaba

>>142212654

Well, did I?

>>142214178
>did I do something wrong

No, it's not your fault you were born with a low IQ.

>>142209523
It is. Got some Korean friends here in Japan and they most often have a pretty good Japanese. They also told me that Japanese is easy to learn because the grammar is similar. Some of my Japanese friends who learn Korean told me the same.

>>142212807
I probably stop doing Core soon. Mining is better IMO. Doing both is ok I think.

>>142204252
日本経済新聞 http://www.nikkei.com/ for mining

>>142214178
no

just keep grinding and in a few days you will get it, whatever you do just dont become a lazy fuck like me and only hit again once regardless of if you remembered or not

>>142214258
Well damn

>>142214276
Wait that did not come clear, did you do that and regret or are you telling me to do that too?

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>>142214178
>new card or not
Let's not have this discussion again, please.

>>142214459
>did you do that and regret

this

im not sure how that confused you

この本の内容はいかなる人間社会にも当てはまる一般的なものである。

この本の内容は
This book's contents are

いかなる人間社会
Any human society's

当てはまる
Applicable to

一般的なものである
General book.
Can someone please tell me how this sentence works? It havent been able to figure out how to parse it for 2 weeks straight (mind you i only saw it a few times though).

>>142214627
>一般的なものである
>General book.

It says it's a general thing, not a general book.

hell, I can't presume to be 100% sure, but I'd say it says something like "The contents of this book can generally be applied to any and all kinds of human society"

what is it? Some sort of preface to a textbook?

>>142214627
この本の内容は
The contents of this book
いかなる人間社会にも当てはまる
Apply to any kind of human society (sentence as adjective)
一般的なもの
General thing
である

To put it literally,
"The contents of this book are a general thing that applies to any kind of human society."
The word thing is pretty clumsy in English here though.

>>142214472
I heard about some addon but I'm using a mobile and can't afford a new comp so I'm not sure on how to go about it

>>142214781
ffs now i see it

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>>142214627
>>142214749
>>142214781
代名詞「一般的なもの」は「内容」をあらわすんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>142214831
This looks like the prelude to an orgy.

>>142212888
>>142212869
Mining it is, then. Thanks.

>>142214267
Savage

>>142214831
yes, yes it does

>>142214831
投稿の英語も読んで下さい

>>142214267
When you mine from Nikkei, do you chop words up or memorize wholesale?

For example, what cards would you make for 季節調整済み?
One, or three?
(Or four?)

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>>142200817
I decided to check out the "Making Sense of Japanese - What The Textbooks Don't Tell You" book from this image since I noticed it was in the CoR. Turns out it actually has a really good explanation of は vs. が in it.

Recommend checking it out if you're struggling with that. Haven't had chance to look through the rest of it yet, but I might do so later. It's not a big book, all in all (it covers a lot less than the DoJG series), but it seems like it has some good explanations for some of the trickier, more confusing aspects of the language.

>>142214803
You're not supposed to press again on new cards since you didn't actually fail anything. This is a controversial fact, judging by the shitstorm that occurred last thread.

>>142214803
Also the addon you're talking about is True Retention, but you can't use addons on the mobile versions of Anki.

I'm sorry guys I know no one wants to hear this shit but I finished hiragana and it's the first time I've not just abandoned this shit day two. I'm a bit excited.

So what methods do you guys use to memorize kanji readings?

I tried to learn some readings of the Kanji that would appear in my Kanji deck in Anki (I would just try to memorize the onyomi of those with a million kunyomi), but I eventually realized that learning readings through the core 2k/6k vocab deck worked out a lot better for me. But I'm curious to see what other methods people use for readings.

I didn't do my reps yesterday.

Help me.

>>142215210
So I just had a different mindset?
I was treating good as a success button and again as a try again until you achieve success button

>>142215341
they don't learn on or kun, they just learn the kanji as a full vocabulary word

>>142215341
I've been treating the different instances as entirely different words without trying to associate the different readings with the kanji itself
Is that a bad habit?
I thought anki was fucking with me at first, having being shown the exact same kanji twice with no additional particles or kanji to tell them apart but still having different readings

>>142215341
I don't learn kanji individually either, I'm going through 6k and through knowing how a kanji is pronounced in a word I guess how it's pronounced in another.

>>142215659
BTW this method allowed me to guess the kana of 不動産屋, one of my proud achievements.

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日本語を読めはするが話せはしない
(´・ω・｀)

In my core2k deck I feel like I'm mixing up a lot of words that are similar in meaning (mostly the business/finance/government/etc. words) which causes me to get a lot more wrong than I should be getting.

Should I just suspend those cards because they don't matter or should I do something like put hints or even furigana on the front of the cards?

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I was starting with Hiragana a few months back but got heavily sidetracked before I could tackle katakana. Now the old proverb of 'use it or lose it' has hit me hard and I forgot most hiragana. I can easily recover but what are some super simple reading resources for them so I can keep them fresh in my head?

>>142215657
To put it bluntly, that is a bad habit, yes.
Not knowing kanji individually has no upsides.
You'll have to check a dictionary every time you run into yojijukugo, and you'll be completely stuck on the meanings of constructed words (and their readings if they're simple and without furigana).

>>142216019
DJT shitposts

really though there's no way you can forget that shit if you regularly expose yourself to anything japanese, be it anime or learning resources or whatever

>>142201019
This is covered in the Intermediate section of the DoJG deck for anki. Everytime I see posts like that it makes me feel a little bad for the anons who so desperately claim that using anki for grammar is a waste of time.

>>142215988
No, don't suspend them. The only cards you should suspend are leeches, and if they are leeches anki will automatically suspend them at the appropriate time (assuming you are using default settings).

>>142216086
You sure? I watch my anime subbed so it's not like I'm seeing the actual symbols. I can remember what all the pronunciations are just fine they're easy enough, just not the symbols.

>>142216019
Just grind kana in realkana then start doing Core, you'll have to remember it out of necessity, if you don't you look the kana up, and so and so until they are cemented in your brain.

And like that guy said, if you have exposure you shouldn't forget it. I learned kana months before I actually decided I wanted to start studying.

>>142215988
Fuck those words so much, I have some of the economy words leeched and at this rate the government ones will be leeches too.

>>142216131
Why would you need to do an anki deck to learn this grammar? You realize DOJG has an index right?

>>142216166
well they do appear on multiple occasions in most high school related anime which is like 90% of anime

if you really want to make sure you don't forget kana just fucking read something, surely the fact you're learning them means there's something you want to use that knowledge for right

>>142201862
I came across that while reading a shoujo manga a few days ago, when a teacher was talking to the class about modern history. You'd be surprised how common these "useless" core words are.

>>142215210
if you don't hit again your new cards wont show up if you do a custom review

>>142216291
Of course. I Suppose it doesn't really matter if I'm reading something that has stuff beyond my current knowledge, so long as I'm looking at the kana and understanding it.

>>142216131
I'd stipulate that anon is just retarded or a beginner, because I can remember what that grammar structure means without context and I've never touched the DOJG deck or the books.
Grammar has got to be the hardest thing out there to forget, look it up once and context or common sense should remind you the next time you see it.

>>142215378
if you procrastinate a lot like me then i suggest limiting your reviews to 25/50 or something so you do them all in small chunks over the course of the day instead of having to do them all in one go

>>142216530
I try to do the pomodoro thing with 5 minute breaks.