Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1553

>>142038476
muh bad should be
まさか日本語が出来ないとかそういうわけじゃないよね

>>142038584
where the FUCK is her keyboard

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Third for yuri, the purest form of love

>>142038686
She doesn't use one for aesthetic reasons. When she needs to type she just brings up the accessibility center keyboard

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>>142038710
For yuri, the third purest form of love

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>>142038766
For the purest form of love, yuri the third

I keep finding myself going through sentences and kind of understanding the gist but not feeling like I actually know what the hell is being said. I've gone through multiple grammar guides but I guess it's just not sticking or something. Anyone else dealt with this?

>>142038829
>Anyone else dealt with this?
Every language learner. You keep reading until you're good.

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>>142038811

>yuri the third

>>142038811
何このアニメ

>>142038863
>Every language learner

Not really, nobody has this problem learning English, it must be the easiest language in the world.

>>142038629

Ultimately there is little point in speaking in broken Japanese between each other.

Unless we are クスポスティング

>>142038929
僕のぴこ

>>142038929
喰霊–零–

>>142038949
But typing Japanese does provide benefit, and everyone is just shitposting anyway.

It's not like you get corrected if you go post on /int/ instead or anything. You might get told if your nip is so bad as to be incomprehensible but you'd get told that here too.

>>142038863

In hindsight that was a dumb question. Anyhow, it's frustrating because despite all the shit on grammar I've read I still don't feel like I've got enough of a grasp on it. I've been through two decent length RPGs which of course have a lot of text and I'm currently working through a third. I suppose I've gotten a bit better but when I have such a hard time understanding things aside from fairly basic sentences I feel like an idiot.

>>142038949
I post in Japanese here all the time in hopes of being corrected. Its not like I actually have any nihonjin friends to talk to or anything.

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>>142038584
nice image choice

>>142038829
yeah back when i started learning about a month ago and i'm only now able to understand short paragraphs

>>142039206
find some then. I met a japanese guy trying to learn english from annoying orange videos and smosh. he is also trying to learn english from twitter but picked up nothing but memes

>>142039235

I've been learning for about a year though.

>>14203894

>tfw you never post in Japanese because you fear using は and　が incorrectly

>>142039235

Thanks, I really like how it turned out. I find it very fun to take a break from studying to do some amateur photoshop work now and then.

変速集団キャラクター ギャグ開発中

What the fuck does this mean? Been trying to figure this out for 20 minutes.

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最近のスレ画画質高すぎ
やっぱり桜ちゃんのが最高だった

>>142039345
>/djt/
>studying

You don't belong here. Whoever is reading this, if you have already done your reps you don't belong here either.

>>142039300
Does Japanese Twitter have cool memes?

>>142039469
Why would you be here if you haven't done your reps? Get of DJT and do your reps

>>142039516
Man, it's so badly drawn it took me like a minute to notice that she's looking at her hand at all.

>>142039469
>Have done my reviews
>Chickened out of new cards
I knew I belonged here.

>>142039528
I'm not disciplined enough to do that. The only reason I'm still here is my hope that reading all those posts in Japanese gives me enough motivation to do my reps.

>>142039403

泥だらけ女の子は可愛すぎ

I was on the verge of giving up for a few days but all of a sudden my motivation is back. Feels good.

>>142039469

I'm playing Momipittan and pretending it's studying.

>>142039821
good shit anon, keep goin

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commas in japanese really fuck me up

>>142039821
Lucky you.
>almost finished Core2k
>still not even halfway through Tae Kim's essential grammar
>haven't done today's reps yet

I wish I had studied more

Due to things, I am going to end up in Paris for a few days starting tomorrow. Is there any interesting Japanese-related stuff to do there that any anons here are aware of?

>>142039981
Yes, seppuku.
Paris is a shithole, just like France. The French are shit too and so are the people who visit France.

>>142039469
Not only I've done my reps, I spent like 3 hours reading and came here to rest after a particularly troublesome monologue. Probably should get back to reading soon.

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>Managed to quit 4chan for four months
>Read several real japanese novels, finally assed myself to understand the advanced grammar, finished memorizing the jinmeiyo, grades went up in college, got several friends and got into jogging and lifting
>find myself back here for the last week, haven't studied anything or jogged in three days

I fucking hate this place and myself.

>>142039742
役に立ててなによりです

>>142040197
人は自分の心を騙せない
お前がどれだけあがいても
大好きなここからは逃げられない
永遠に

I think I'm doing alright and then I come here and remember I don't know shit

Does anyone have a Backup of the Monogatari series? It got deleted in the CoR I guess

>>142039981
It's a tradition in France that foreigners, when in the middle of a crowded public area, should start yelling "Allahu Akhbar" very loudly. Make sure to follow this tradition or the French will look down on you.

>>142040623
Still in the CoR.
https://mega.nz/#F!q5g0TZLZ!znkYF84EOe4PP_I2_5RJYw - Bakemono to Koimono

https://mega.nz/#F!nARUGTyS!3aUmOKNpSJ2hdWhy6RnnyA - Owari.

>>142039981
I suppose you could look at french translations of manga or a japanese-french restaurant. But you're going the France, not Japan, so it's not like there's going to be much japanese-related stuff there.

>>142040791
Thanks /a/non, made a stupid mistake and didn't found it therefore.
Any thoughts on it?

>>142040197
Nice blog

>>142040985
I actually haven't read any of it yet. Still working my way up to it.

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>>142039478
They are pretty dank but they mainly post lewds. i follow some artists like null and they post extremely lewd shit. once someone posted a diagram on how to fuck a fetus straight from the mothers womb.

The fuck do you people do in this thread? Learn ching chongs? Do you also do calligraphy and shit?

>>142041092
We commit sudoku daily

>>142038686
Resting next to the table, you blind bat.

>>142041092
我らは一番美しい漢語を皮膚に刺青をする。

So I am going back to Japan to live for a year working in a lab in Osaka, which is where I lived for a year as an English teacher before med school. I only got to N4, but wanna buckle down and apply my med school autism-tier study tactics to Japanese.

Gonna open up my old Core2k deck and cry at how much I don't remember. Might even *gasp* get WaniKani again because i like it.

But for grammar has anyone used nihongo so-matome? I think I am gonna try it as I've heard lots of good things about it for moving beyond Tae Kim etc.

How do you guys keep up/stay fresh with your Japanese. I've gone two years without needing it/using it and watching the occasional anime or reading the occasional facebook post does not at all keep it fresh for me. Worried about losing it all again when I come back again

>>142038829
>I keep finding myself going through sentences and kind of understanding the gist but not feeling like I actually know what the hell is being said.
That's actually the majority of anki users ITT.

We string vocab together into the semblance of a sentence and compete for who can get their reps done the fastest so they can feel the illusion of learning.

>>142041078
>once

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I know it's a long shot, but is there any translated resource that explains the etymology of most kanji, or kanji as a whole? Wiktionary has info on some of them but not all. I ask because I've always been naturally drawn to the topic in english, and I feel like knowing what the fuck the japs were thinking when they created/combined some kanji would help me learn a lot more than rote memorization.

>>142041402
>*gasp*
Don't do this.
>get WaniKani
Definitely don't do this.
> for grammar
Just read.
>Worried about losing it all again
This only happens if you stop studying. If you're only studying because you're in Osaka and don't care about learning Japanese apart from when you're there, then you probably will stop studying.

What are some good grammar books in Japanese? I feel like I might be able to grasp certain concepts better in the language itself rather than having English in between.

Why didn't they just create 5 extra characters for the "p" sounds? It gives me fucking eyestrain trying to tell whether I'm looking at 濁点 or 半濁点 in small fonts (e.g. in furigana).

>>142041402
日々練習あるのみ。
日本語の掲示板とかをたまに読んだりするといいんじゃない？

>>142041468
>what the fuck the japs were thinking when they created/combined some kanji
They didn't, 99.9% of that shit was done by Chinese. So if you want etymology you gotta look at hanzi.

What card layout should i use for a mining deck

>>142041468
>>142041574
Forgot the link http://www.zhongwen.com/

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>>142041574
>>142041673
God fucking dammit, you couldn't make me learn chinkshit at gunpoint. Oh well.

>>142041531
you don't read the furigana

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>>142041611
There's a basic one you can copy here.
http://pastebin.com/HWk3Nnm6

>>142041781
>pronunciations on the front

>>142041810
It's not on the front, it just shows up in that position when you flip the card.

>>142041611

Whatever you find to be relevant info. I just mine everything Rikaisama has an option for and only display what I want in the cards. That way I have the other stuff later if I ever want it.

>>142041781
>>142041838

Do you know how to put that line in, as shown in that picture? Right now I just have a bunch of dashes breaking up fields and it is pretty ugly.

>>142041888
>Do you know how to put that line in, as shown in that picture? Right now I just have a bunch of dashes breaking up fields and it is pretty ugly.
The formatting is all there in the pastebin. I think you are referring to this bit: <hr id=answer>

>>142041432
?

>>142041935

Yes, that is it, thank you. I missed that somehow.

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I want to fuck a 日本人

>>142041749
Kanji are chinkshit, there's no way around that.
You can try genetickanji, they pretty much ripped off zhongwen and applied it to kanji, but don't expect too much out of it.

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>>142039235
Hey anon, if you are still around, I'd like to throw a few randomly selected short sentences/statements at you and you tell me how well you fell your comprehension of them was. These are all entirely unrelated to each other.

Pic related, if you are interested.

>>142041078
>once someone posted a diagram on how to fuck a fetus straight from the mothers womb.

muh dick, source

>>142042188
絶対にやってみて
凄くいい体験なるよ
私は結局日本人を彼女にした

>>142042188

日本人って... 男と女のことなのね？女を得るのは難しいので、日本人の男を与えるよ。

>>142042188
Oh my.

>>142042391
That anon probably means paragraphs of simplistic sentences and doesn't understand the level of sentence you mean when you say there are ones you have trouble with.

>>142042188
俺も

especially this one - http://sukebei.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=1973609

>>142041488
I really enjoy the language; but it's hard (impossible) to fit it in around studying in med school. There are always Japanese postdocs and lab rats but they are always too bashful to try talking to. IS anyone at the level where they can read actual books (not light novels/manga)? I think that may be something not attainable in this life.

I need to find a VN that makes me diamonds so I'm forced into it I think.

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>tfw a string of 6+ consecutive kanji

>>142039516
(笑)

>>142042188
gross

>>142042420
it was like two months ago i don't think I'll be able to find it.

>>142041402
Grab the DoJG anki deck, medsperg.
You'll probably get a lot out of it.

>>142042391
is it allowed to use a dictionary for kanji?
some of the paragraphs contain highly specialized vocabulary
I know what's going on in most of them and some of them like the last are quite easy and just describe mundane things

>>142042659

実は、ジュリアが好きなんです。変な顔のある女なのに...

もしかして、そのバカな顔は、西肉と東肉との橋のようなものなのかしら？

>>142042689
>>>/lgbt/

>>142042188
>彼女ないであの顔

>>142042873
but im a girl

>>142042921
ロ　ン　デ　ン
ン
デ
ン

>>142042608
>That anon probably means
Which is why I asked if anon was still around.

>>142042822
>some of the paragraphs contain highly specialized vocabulary
Not really and the reason why it was put in an image and not raw text was so it would be harder to use a dictionary. It is easy to make statements about comprehension, and all.

>>142043009
>デ
ド*

>>142042921
>>>tumblr
>>>/cgl/

>>142042921
おっぱい or btfo

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>>142042391
i'm the anon you replied to. i meant short simple things like pic related (my vocab isn't that large so i can't really read those yet)

>>142042921
>>>/a/

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>>142042677
幽体離脱現象
連結納税制度
全国郵便局長協会連合会
原子力開発利用長期計画
長期生活支援資金貸付制度
国立長崎原爆死没者追悼平和祈念館

>>142043009
このメメを分かりません

>>142040985
It's easy to read but a lot of the prose is parodical so you won't enjoy it unless you're a seasoned reader (in jpnese obviously)

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>>142043241

>>142041781
lel, nightmode and this font color, is everyone using this now ?

>>142043291
その*

>>142043104
>wanting 3D

>>142043291
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pls+be+in+london
It's not that hard, is it?

>>142043241
Out of body experience
Council of post office union
Long term nuclear energy development plan
Life support fund law
National nagasaki memorial praying center for those who died from atomic bomb

Did i get em right senpai

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>>142043467
Nice Rikaisama, lad

>>142043241

spirit body separation phenomenon

group taxation system

national post office chief's cooperation association

long term nuclear power development plan

long term life style support ??? system

national ??? bomb death ??? peace mansion

I'm ready coach!

>>142043358
It's a pretty fucking dumb meme though t bh like even less funny than your average forced meme that never spreads beyond one person

>>142043048
it's not hard to look up words in a dictionary if you already can read Japanese since you know how to get by finding the desired worda through other kanji and similar readings.

most of the paragraphs seem from encyclopedias or newspapers and are just describing things in the typical Japanese neutral written style with Kanji rather than kun readings which makes it easier to comprehend but rather hard to read for foreigners without 100% Kanji knowledge

>>142043580
It's definitely convenient, tho'
You got your answer, didn't you?

倫敦
敦

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What's the "化" in 女子化 meant to mean here? Context is guy in a school mainly for animals.

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>>142043118
Oh, okay. When you said "paragraphs" I assumed lengthier bits of text. Thanks for the hasty response.
The sentences were pulled from the Intermediate and Advanced A Dictionary of Japanese Grammar, for further reference.

>>142043309
静岡県立浜商業高等学校中退
Okay, that's just education details for a resume.

>>142043326
The colour layout and other aspects of my decks change every now and then. Pic related is the misc vocab deck, rear side of card.

>>142043671
I wasn't the one asking, and I'd prefer if you keep your /fit/ memes on /fit/

I also don't know how you would expect the person to know to google "pls be in london" from ロンデン

>>142043741
Obviously about being changed into a girl

>>142043467
>>142043565
That isn't Japanese, anons.

>>142043599
>most of the paragraphs seem from encyclopedias or newspapers and are just describing things in the typical Japanese neutral written style with Kanji rather than kun readings which makes it easier to comprehend but rather hard to read for foreigners without 100% Kanji knowledge
Fucking good one. That isn't Japanese "from encyclopedias or newspapers", it's from material for learners. Fucking "neutral style". Jesus, blind leading the fucking blind.

>>142043790
I've never visited /fit/. My main boards are /int/ and /w/.
Also, I am not the one who posted 「ロンデン」(he fixed it to 「ロンドン」later, by the way)

>>142043741
http://jisho.org/search/%E5%B0%91%E5%AD%90%E5%8C%96

>>142042677
>long ass kanji string
>try to read it
>makes zero sense
>notice 区 or 市 in it
>just skip that shit
Same with military ranks and all shit like that, I'm going to have zero idea what that means even if I manage to decipher those so it's never worth it.

>>142043741

for future reference:

液体化 - liquidization
強化 - strenghen

it's like a "make" suffix

少子化 means the declining birthrate in japan. low number of kids make? it's esoteric as fuck. also you misread it. needless to say 女子化 would mean "making into a girl" and would have been a lot more exciting. you have disappointed me, anon.

>>142043741
Feminisation.

>>142038584
I wan to sniff her 足

>>142043741
少子化

>>142043599
>written with Kanji rather than kun readings
What did he mean by this?

>>142043790
>being this new

>>142043898
I wan to sniff her 尻

>>142043890
holy fuck I'm retarded, kanjitomo picked up the word and I didn't even look at it. Ignore this

>>142043893
the fewer kids-ification

>>142043860
What point are you trying to make?

>>142043938

I think you just have a lewd mind that led you there. What other compelling content have you been reading?

>>142043907
>What did he mean by this?
I think that's a secret code signalling his presence in the hope of having others from reddit respond in a similar manner. Like a mating call.

>>142043890
>>142043893
Oh, I guess I read too much trap manga and my brain read it as 少女 somehow, nevermind am retarded.

>>142043987
That you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about and would be better off not pretending to that you do understand what you are talking about.

>>142043516
Got me

>>142044024
That was my first post in the conversation. Now stop sperging out for a second and calm down, then explain for real what point you're trying to make.

>>142043995
Yeah the implication that writing in kana would make it easier for foreigners to read is quite a big tell too.

>>142044072
Kanji make it easier to read for foreigners. Ever happened to read Japanese books for grammar school children with about 0 Kanji and everything in Hiragana? If you are not a native, Kanji tell you where words and and give you a meaning, even if you cannot read it

>>142044042
not him but
>most of the paragraphs seem from encyclopedias or newspapers and are just describing things in the typical Japanese neutral written style with Kanji rather than kun readings which makes it easier to comprehend but rather hard to read for foreigners without 100% Kanji knowledge
this literally makes zero sense

Anyone ever have the problem where Yomichan thinks it adds cards but it doesn't show up in the deck?

>>142042659
Man, I can't even bring myself to be interested in things like that unless there's butt stuff. I've changed.

>>142044211
Think you need to re-read my post

>>142044217
I'm more curious about what point he was trying to make in the first place. Was he just upset at the suggestion that someone who had only studied for a month claimed to understand something?

Also, in response to his more recent post, it's not like being from material for learners conflicts with it being newspaper style or whatnot. Stuff for "learners" can be at any level.

生先生の発音方は本当にそんなに悪いかい？

>>142044320
the guy he replied to clearly had zero idea what he was talking about yet stated several extremely misleading things with total confidence

that's a pretty textbook example of "blind leading the blind"

"typical Japanese neutral style" is just baffling and not a phrase that means anything to anyone

"Kanji rather than kun readings"
this just fundamentally doesn't make sense at all
everything in Japanese that isn't for kids or learners is written with kanji and on top of that no one would refer to hiragana spellings of words or to kanji w/ furigana as "using kun readings"

>>142044320
I am just saying that this written style is easier to comprehend than spoken style. Basically you don't even need to know every Kanji as long as you know enough to comprehend the gist. Most of the statements can be derived from the context of a few words. I could never read every single kanji or string here but I do know what the words mean

>>142044211
>implying hiragana only is hard to read
Step up your game, kouhai

>>142044478
あいつの訛はヤンキー過ぎる

>>142044630
>"typical Japanese neutral style" is just baffling and not a phrase that means anything to anyone

Just interpret it as "dry and objective language" like surely that means something to you right?

>"Kanji rather than kun readings"
jukugo rather than wago

I mean clearly the guy wasn't an English master but you could still figure out what he was saying.

A japanese friend is coming over to live here for two years, she arrives in three weeks and barely speaks spanish. We would be communicating 90% in japanese, so fucking embarrassing my spoken japanese is shit and she must think I speak well because we type on the daily.

>>142044820
both of those are stretching his language a bit too far

the point is no posting if you're an ESL or have been studying for like one week at most

What should I use to start learning kanji? Wanikani looks nice but everyone seems to hate it. Why? What should I use instead?

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>40 minutes left to do reps
>no way to extend the time because its already at 23 hrs
>still have 200 cards left

>>142045042
>both of those are stretching his language a bit too far
To me it is quite clear that both of those are what he means. They definitely don't make much sense any other way.
Anyway I don't really care about what he was saying I was just asking why >>142042391 was posted in the first place, especially since the poster seems to have an Argumentative Autist type posting style.

>That guilt when shitposting on djt without having done your reps yet

>>142044640
it's not hard to read but hard to comprehend if you only have Hiragana since they don't convey meaning

take this as an example and figure out the meanings:
しょくじたいへんですね。


>>142044820
On point, I managed to mix it up in English but I should rather have sticked to jukugo and wago

Most of you get the concept that there is a written and spoken style Japanese, right? I love Kanji and jukugo but as soon as you enter the spoken realm, you notice that you just cannot speak all day in jukugo since you will not be understood if you try to avoid wago as much as possible

>>142045136
If you're bent on studying kanji then just do a radical deck followed by a sizeable kanji deck on Anki, having both recall and recognition cards is a good way to make sure you remember them but it does eat up your time pretty hard

Wanikani is garbage because it costs money and sticks you with an inflexible learning plan

>>142045158
It's not a tragedy if you just let them go over to tomorrow, get some sleep and do it then.

>>142045192
>take this as an example and figure out the meanings:
>しょくじたいへんですね。

I actually can't think of anything except 食事大変ですね for this one.

>>142045192
Context makes it clear which words the hiragana mean. How would Japs even communicate with eachother if they needed kanji when speaking to eachother

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>>142045190
Everyone here is doing the same, anon, so don't worry

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I want to fuck a 日本人

>>142045411
>futa hentai
>bad

>>142045192
>hard to comprehend
It's really not, it requires about the same amount of information as "comprehending" words based on memorized kanji meanings. You just need to know the context so you have some sort of vocab bank to draw from, based on what you've been exposed to in the past.

Lets try some hard kanji words, all taken from 新世界より, spoken aloud in the show

せんそうこういとうきょかしんせいしょ
ようじゅうとうかんりいてんんしんせいしょ
ゆうがいちょうたいさくか

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>>142045446
stop posting 3dpd you rat fuck

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Which style is more common to write this radical?

>>142045551
the one on the left is how you're supposed to hand write it

>>142045551
It depends, are you a computer or a human?

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>>142045192
署籤対変ですね。

Did I get it, senpai?

>>142045507
Fuck some stuff got fucked up here, retrying

せんそうこういとうきょかしんせいしょ
ようじゅうとうかんりいてんしんせいしょ
ゆうがいちょうじゅうたいさくか

>>142045551

Former is written. You can differentiate 人 and 入 from using stroke order. This doesn't work in text/print, at all, so they added a little bit on the top of 入 to make it really stand out. If you're writing, write it like it should be written (i.e. the left)

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>>142045585
NEITHER, I'M COMPUTERAN

>>142045480
あかたろう は、 ごはん を じっぱい たべれば、
じっぱい だけ おおきく なりました。
にじっぱい たべれば、 にじっぱい だけ
ずずん と からだ が おおきく なって、
たちあがりました。 そして、
「じさま。 おら に ひゃっかんめ の
てつ の ぼう、 つくって くれろ。」
と、 はじめて くち を ひらきました。
「そんな おもい もの、
どう するん じゃ。」
「つえ に する んじゃ。 はやく
つくって くれろ。」
あかたろう が なおも いう ので、
おじいさん は むら の かじや へ、
とんで いきました。

so you are telling me this is same the same difficulty as a regular text with kanji?

>>142045585
What if I'm dancer?

>>142045742

Spaces are cheating. Unless they were already there originally, in which case you just proved his point by demonstrating that kana only texts are so annoying/ambiguous that they had to find a way to break them up.

>>142045817
this is just a children's story and the spaces and punctuation were in the same place originally. of course they are ambiguous and that's my point here. It is easier to work with simple Japanese with kanji, even if you have to look them up and learn them than trying to read hiragana only texts for Japanese children. Japanese children have the advantage of having at least the spoken language already learned whereas foreigners usually start at 0 and therefore should advance in spoken and written language at the same time.

>>142045742
don't ask me, I use jisho to look up just about everything anyway since my vocabulary is pretty small
this doesn't seem particularly hard though especially with the spaces
if you rely on kanji to comprehend japanese then you're probably a hack

The reason why Japanese use kanji has nothing to do with readability of the text per say. It has to do with connecting modern Japanese literature with older Japanese literature. If Japanese started using a completely different writing system, then all the text written in the past would be lost to new generations. It's to connect Japan's past with its present.

In contrast, this is exactly why Mao Zedong pushed the simplified Chinese characters, not to increase literacy but so hat new generations wouldn't be able to read older texts without learning the traditional characters, thus controlling what the people could and couldn't read.

>>142046138

In contrast, this is exactly why Mao Zedong pushed the simplified Chinese characters, not to increase literacy but so hat new generations wouldn't be able to read older texts without learning the traditional characters, thus controlling what the people could and couldn't read.

Do you have a source for this? It seems like the kind of thing he would do, but, well, they did kinda actually increase literacy as well.

>>142045971
Guess what? Even Japanese people do so... Look at this frist sentence from today's Asahi News article on Obama's visit:

オバマ米大統領は２７日夕、現職大統領として初めて被爆地・広島を訪問し、平和記念公園で安倍晋三首相とともに献花する。

18 Kana in total opposed to 33 Kanji if I am not mistaken.... Of course you could write every jukugo in hiragana and then see how difficult it would become to read

>>142045411
Nice tabs. Should've used Internet Explorer for maximum b8ing, tho'

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>>142046222
yeah but you read that out loud to a nihonjin and chances are they'll comprehend it

how do you explain that

>>142045971
You should try out rikai.

>>142046392
doesn't work on image scanned LNs, and that's probably for the better since if it did I would probably just forget every new word I came across

I do use it to read DJT shitposts ofc

>>142046337
Pitch and flow help denote the boundaries between words and make words more obvious.

>>142046337
I would love to try but unfortunately my gf is sleeping since it is 6 am over here. I admit that the words are quite comprehensible except for 被爆地 and 献花 since these are quite specific and the latter has the same reading as of fight or quarrel

How did you learn kanji?

>>142046583
I didn't

>>142046583
Reading a lot and looking up what I don't know.

>>142046583
Anki

>>142046511
very skilled observation

>>142046583
get the basic kanji down and progress from 人、火、山、川、村 to the more advanced and abstract ones like　印、刷、禁、煙
except your learn like a robot, chances are you want to use the kanji you learned and feel the progress, so getting down standalone kanji is quite satisfying and even more satisfying when you actually understand things like　火山

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/digitalmanga/kodomo-no-jikan-a-childs-time

Have you backed this mastepiece yet, /djt/? You 出来ないたち know that you'll end up giving up on Japanese some time anyway

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>>142046583
starting with lewd
continued with rude
ended with dude

>>142046583
my japanese girlfriend helped me learn them after i inquired about her 膣排気音 one night

>>142046910
I've read like half of it in Japanese already, shit's easy.

I finished RTK friends
Now I can start learning Japanese

Is there a way to set my new cards/day in Anki for just one deck instead of all of them?

とめてあげたくない！

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>>142047243
>friends

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>>142047343
captcha killed my image

>>142047338
Nevermind I figured it out

I'm starting the Core 2k deck in Anki but all of them are kanji, and I only know kana. Should I do the radicals deck first and then memorize the vocabulary as kanji instead of kana? I'm not sure how to approach this

Sup DJT
What was the final push for you to seriously start learning moon?

>>142047588
You can't memorize vocabulary as kana, there are way too many words with the same kana spelling, plus kanji make it easier by reminding you what words mean since they each have their own individual meaning

You can try to just memorize what they look like, or you can study a radical and kanji deck first, whatever you think will work best for you

>>142047689
I just randomly decided to learn it with no real good reason

I started watching anime and such after already being learning moon

>>142047689
>watched a japanese cartoon
>started on a whim
>read all of TK on a whim
>did 2 thousand kanji cards in anki on a whim

two paths diverged in a wood etc

>>142047689
localization censorship from the 3rd wave feminist infected west that cant handle titty

>>142047689
When faggot ass moogy and herkz sold out like the pieces of shit they were with Subahibi translation. I was never going to be a pathetic EOP relying on others to translate shit for me.

>>142047836
this is bad motivation and fwiw subahibi isnt even that good of a game i think its just overhyped by white ppl

Can anyone tell me the nuance between 喰う and just 食べる？ Apparently 食う is also a thing, but I don't think I've come across it.

>>142047904
you can literally pick this up from anime

Any way to separate parts of speech in Epwing2anki?

>>142047904
食う is essentially Goku-speak. I had never noticed it until I read Dragonball raw.

If you don't use 俺, don't use 食う.

>>142047887
What games are good then?
Please don't say fags irae

>>142048068
>VNs
>good
Are you sure that's possible?

>>142048118
What VNs, LNs, or actual novels that you have actually read rather than just hearing about are actually good?

>>142047904
喰う means to munch, gobble or devour something and is considered not so polite and you should avoid it with not so familiar people
食べる means to eat in a neutral way

召し上がる means to eat or drink in an honorable and very polite way

>>142046138
I think it's more that a lot of words (漢語) were created from kanji rather than the other way round, so the whole language actually makes less sense if you took away kanji. Even when Japanese people speak I believe they are conscious of the kanji in the words they are using.

And when creating new words kanji are the building blocks of that too (although recently katakana is often used for new words as well)

It's kind of like how English spelling isn't purely phonetic, the spelling contains clues of word origin etc. Even though spelling everything phonetically would make more sense in theory, the written language loses a lot of meaning that way.

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>>142047702
Thank you, just one more thing. Is it important to know the readings of these radicals, or just what it means? So I'd just need to know that this radical means corpse?

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>>142047887
Wrong you fucking pleb.

SubaHibi is kamige even according to nips.

>>142048175
They're just tools to remember made by certain people, they vary between people and aren't necessary at all - Japanese people are hardly even aware of the concept.

If you feel like it's not working for you, drop it. It's not worth worrying so much about, when you'll pick it up through exposure over time anyways.

>>142048217
they are aware of the concept or have you never seen the way Japanese people look up kanji in a dictionary? maybe they don't know the terminology but actually they know what components their kanji are made of

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>>142038584
Does anyone have the issue of pic related? The Android screenshot actually looks a lot better than that on the actual device and I can pinch-zoom all the way in and it appears smooth at end three times that size. For whatever reason shit looks aliased on Windows whereas the exact same font and font size is rendered far nicer to look at. To the point that I've more or less switched to using the Android device entirely for reps, but it is a fair bit slower overall and would rather limit it to using while in bed or on the shitter.

Tried going through the display settings and calibrating smooth font thingo for font rendering that it has and I've tried disabling it. Both end up looking the same.

Last time I asked the redditors over at /g/ they started sperging over the fact that I wasn't using a meme OS and that my Android device wasn't whatever current overpriced model which was being mass advertised on the board at the time, which I'm pretty sure was a Windows tablet with keyboard set up, ironically. So they were pretty fucking useless.

>>142048315
Windows is basically a piece of shit when it comes to fonts and always has been.

>>142048216
Source of poll?

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is there an antonym for weaboo for natives
is there a dark room somewhere, hes wearing a shirt with english words, has volumes of books, games and comics all in english

perfectly mocked by all society for being a pathetic engboo

ばかり＝”x happened just now"
ばかり＝”x was as if y"
ばかり＝”nothing but x"
バカ理です。

>>142047904
originally, 食う or 喰う was the word for "to eat", but afterwards those words had turned into a little rough language as the time comes closer to today.

>>142048217
>Japanese people are hardly even aware of the concept.
Kids learn about 部首 in school, the fuck are you talking about?

>tfw can't be arsed to read anything after doing 2-3 hours of anki every day
Oh well, at least I'm watching subbed anime.

225 on the JCAT.

Will I be able to pass N2 after grinding the vocab list and DOJG over the summer?

>>142048367
i hear the term "westaboo" a lot around here

>>142048394
Why would you do anything else all I do these days is watch anime and I'm like level N1 times two by now

>>142048315
This is from Anki's website
The toolkit Anki is built on does not currently support high resolution displays, which may result in text looking a little blurry. It's possible to make the text crisper, but it will result in the buttons and text in the interface becoming smaller. If you'd like to make that trade-off, you can right click on the Anki icon, and in the properties, compatibility section, disable "display scaling on high DPI".

>>142048068
mentioning dies irae seems pretty par for the course after name dropping moogy etc lol

theres no point firing off what i like because most of it is not only shit but also theyre games that are fun as opposed to trying super hard to be complex and deep or whatever lol

kusarihime is really good though prolly the only kinda game in that category i actually liked

but for example greengreen and kirakira is stuff i do like and maybe some memories off when im feeling more serious than usual

>>142048216
which 1 of those is subahibi i cant read japanese xd

>>142048352
i think thats erogamescape dude a site thats popular for white people also nowadays

>>142048378
Now try again in context and with particles.

>>142039065
Spoon feeding should be only allowed in Japanese. All in favor?

死に水を取る

Can someone explain this phrase to me? Why do Japanese wet the lips of dead people?

>>142048417
You ain't N1, mate.

>>142048454
Why do you only like old games and why is your japanese such shit after reaidng so much?

>>142048467
食うmyちんこ爆笑

>>142048482
thats the joke

>>142048475
No shit I just said I was like twice N1. N1 would be an insult to my ability. I'm 日本 and nothing you can say will change that

>>142048386
They're aware of what the main radical is, used to find it in a dictionary, but on the whole, they don't come up with tricks to remember what each one means in order to come up with tricks to remember what kanji mean, neither do they memorize the various readings.

My 3dpd jap was shocked that I looked up kanji by any radical I recognized on jisho, rather than the main one. The whole concept was foreign to her.

>>142048522
Well, I'm the nippon emperor mikado sama, thank you very much.

>>142048315
Sure it's not just because it's lower res?
I don't have this issue at all on Windows 10

>>142048434
My bad, I failed to mention that I had already done this. The fonts look the same outside of Anki as well as inside of Anki.

>>142048454
So you if don't care for the medium enough to recommend to read shit you think is good why do you think it's alright to recommend not to read shit that is bad?

>>142048590
>Sure it's not just because it's lower res?
The resolution is the same. Not too keen on updating to 10 but maybe one day.

Didn't see anything about stroke order in the op, how important is it? I've just been playing on realkana like a game of memory

>>142048588
お前の事は聞いていない

>>142048467
i actually just searched google with the image thumbnail and found the source like that
that probably makes the fact that i spoonfed him that much worse
sorry i promise i wont do it again

>>142042801
arigatou anon sama

>>142048635
i never said subahibi was bad i just said the motivation in the one dudes post was

i just wanted to say something to the nihongo hopefuls thinking stuff like subahibi is worth learning japanese for

i dont think youll get much return on that investment just personally in my own opinion

best wishes to those folks regardless

>>142048669
I'm fluent and can't write half the kana properly

Stroke order for kanji is good to learn though because most of it is extremely regular and it helps with lookups. Like it's okay if you fuck up the stroke order for 必 but for something normal like 署 you should be able ot figure it out

>>142048473
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_funeral#After_death

It's an old tradition.

>>142048702
図々しくて威張ってるやつだな

>>142048669
Stroke order for kana? Never really thought about it, due to how few strokes are involved. Though it isn't hard to look up kana stroke order and keep it in mind.
http://www.yosida.com/en/katakana.html
http://www.yosida.com/en/hiragana.html
Plenty of sites like the above are floating out there and unless you have memory problems, it shouldn't take more than a few times to get used to the general stroke order of each kana. I mean, they're pretty straight forward and it is pretty hard to fuck them up.

>>142048764
>I'm fluent and can't write half the kana properly
Is this some new epic meme?

>>142048773
I wouldn't want someone to fiddle with my bones, desu.

>>142048563
> they don't come up with tricks to remember what each one means in order to come up with tricks to remember what kanji
Most people outside of Japan don't do that either, only the Heisig Church.

>neither do they memorize the various readings
Like any reasonable person.

>>142048660
Now that I think about it I'm pretty sure I had the same problem initially, but disabling display scaling on high DPI fixed it. I have a 4k display though. Don't know why it looks like that for you, especially if it's outside of Anki too.

>>142048782
新しく習った単語を試しに使ってるわけですね
意味は完全に把握していないらしいけど
>>142048808
>Is this some new epic meme?
事実をいっただけだが？

>>142048751
I believe fucking anything can be worth learning Japanese for. It's not like the guy will stop using it forever after finishing Subahibi.

>>142042801
I actually didn't even know about this deck; it's been a long time since I've been on /a/ let alone a daily Japanese thread. This looks perfect. So really, thank you. Excited to get back into Japanese; it really is a wonderful language

>>142048808
>>142048764
So it is important at least for kanji then
My concern was if it would be a waste of time, I'll keep that in mind

>>142048918
>So it is important at least for kanji then
Only if you ever plan to write them by hand.

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>>142048918
also if you know stroke order you can basically just scribble garbage in google and it will give you exactly what you are looking for

very useful

>>142048906
>it really is a wonderful language
It really is, man. Hope you get as much out of that deck as I have. We've got it made in DJT compared to learners who have no idea about half the goodies we have access to in this thread.

>>142048918
>My concern was if it would be a waste of time
The amount of time in the past week you've spent on 4chan is likely more than any time you could ever waste on stroke order for kana. I wouldn't worry too much about "wasting time" when really if you are taking advantage of Anki and the like, you're already cutting potentially years off the time it would take you to reach such a level as most "normal" methods out there.

ボクはねズボンの中にうんこが・・ありません

まだ来ないんだね

便秘かのう

>>142048773
Thanks. I'm surprised I've never seen that in an anime, or maybe I did and never realized the significance.

>>142049138
>ます

>>142048878
把握してるよ
この発言で日本人じゃない人に威張るのは明らかに見えるでしょう？
意味通じないのか？

>>142049009
I thought everyone here praticed writing them
Just playing with realkana made me able to easily recognize the letters but when I try going the other way, being presented with a sound, I have a hard time remembering the symbol in comparison

>>142049130
>when really if you are taking advantage of Anki and the like, you're already cutting potentially years off the time it would take you to reach such a level as most "normal" methods out there.

This is complete bullshit. Anki is nice and all but input amount trumps all.

Anki is nice and all but really your level of input matters more than anything.

>>142049138
ズボン履いてるままでウンコだそうとしてるところから根本的に間違ってる気がするけどまあがんばれ

>>142049192
Not really, learning to write them is the hardest part and takes a shit ton of time, so if you don't enjoy it skipping writing lets you get to the fun stuff faster.

>>142048901
fair enough dude

its ideal if youre more interested in things that are written a bit more straightforward though i think

>>142049172
通じないよ
英語でいってくれないか

>>142049272
>この発言で日本人じゃない人に威張るのは明らかに見えるでしょう？
とくにこの部分が意味不明

>>142049073
Someone who knows best should point it on the guide

>>142049272
嘘、マジ日本人？さぁ、今まで付き合った日本人の中皆は私の言葉を通じたからあんたの問題じゃないかい？

>>142049217
いつかズボンからうんこを解放してやる

>>142049192
Out of curiosity how long have you been exposing yourself to kana after you memorized all of them?

I've been studying for around six months probably, and I'm familiar enough with the kana to the point where I immediately recall each symbol in my head upon hearing it and reading them is second nature, though I don't know if that's because I spent so much time absently writing kana while doing kanji reps or if it's just a natural progression from seeing and reading them for so often and for so long.

I did see a post here where someone mentioned they couldn't finish a portion of some test that required filling in blanks in a sentence with kana after listening to it being spoken out loud.

>>142049358
>皆は私の言葉を通じた
いや、わるいがぶっちゃけ問題は絶対にお前にある
そもそも日本人はわからないところがあってもうんうんとうなずいて誤魔化すから
お前がそういうしぐさを見ておー分かって貰ったと勘違いしてるだけじゃないかね

If a kanji has many readings, how do you know which one to use? Does the reading change the meaning?

>>142049515
You learn the word, mate.

>いつか電車で、急停車のために私は隣りに立っている若い女性のほうによろめいた事があった。するとその女性は、けがらわしいとでもいうようなひどい嫌悪と侮蔑の眼つきで、いつまでも私を睨んでいた。たまりかねて私は、その女性の方に向き直り、まじめに、低い声で言ってやった。
>「僕が何かあなたに猥褻な事でもしたのですか？　自惚れてはいけません。誰があなたみたいな女に、わざとしなだれかかるものですか。あなたご自身、性慾が強いから、そんなへんな気のまわし方をするのだと思います。」
>　その女性は、私の話がはじまるやいなや、ぐいとそっぽを向いてしまって、全然聞えない振りをした。馬鹿野郎！　と叫んで、ぴしゃんと頬を一つぶん殴ってやりたい気がした。

Toppu kekku

>>142049515
when you see a new word you guess and look it up on jisho

then you memorize it and make sure you use the same reading next time

it's not so much the meaning being changed by the reading, more like if you read it wrong you're just tripping yourself up and won't recognize that word if it's ever spoken out loud

>>142049443
5 minutes

>>142049446
そういうわけでもないだろう？
日本人は誤魔化すのが下手くそから返事で発言を分かったか分からなかったか明確に見えるんじゃない？

頭悪い人と付き合うとあんたの言う通りかもだけどなー

>>142049443
I started far too little ago to say I'm done with them

>>142000000

How do any of you stay motivated?

What are my options for a structured curriculum? Any experience with tutors?

>>142049767
JLPT was good for motivation, although now that I've passed N1 and still have a long way to go I'm not sure what to do next..

>>142049767
I'll just let you know that this post made me laugh

>>142049446
>>142049716
すみませんトイレはどこですか

うんこが来た予感が明確

>>142049515
人生経験ブロ

>>142049767
motivated for what

>>142049834
その汚いうんこの話をやめてくださいませんでしょうか？

>>142049716
>この発言で日本人じゃない人に威張るのは明らかに見えるでしょう？

とにかくこれがまっとうな日本語だと言う日本人がいないと保証するよ

別に他人の日本語に駄目だしするつもりはなかったけどお前がこんなに自信満々で間違った日本語をしてるからしかたなくやってるよ
お前の日本語が下手ってことではないから
自分が無謬ではないということを気に留めようね

ところで今の俺はかなり酔ってるから俺の日本語が間違っていればそのせいにしとこうねｗ

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>look up wanikani reviews
>literally every single site praises it
Is it all one big shill, or is it really that good?

>>142050042
It's the second biggest sutema campaign in the history of japanese learning after AJATT

>>142048721
What's wrong with just saying what the fucking show is?

I never understood this elitist attitude.

>I post maymay from anime I like
>anon what anime is that
>Oh it's maido warriors 2 desu yo chan
>Thanks anon

what's so hard about that?

>>142049939
そんなもんだけど普通日本人の特徴は謙遜じゃないかい？上から目線は日本の文化であまり良くないな

もう日本に住んでないか？

>>142050042
the guide already says everything you need to know about wanikani

why do people still ask about it on here jesus christ

>>142049939
日本語はありがたい
すげえ勉強になる！

>>142050230
well don't ask me I'm the one who posted the title of the show

>>142050259
What about wanikani costs money? I only used it for one of their lessons today but I didn't see anything about paying

>>142049907
うんちチャットは永遠に続く

人がトイレに行く限り

>>142049939
はいはい日本語ナチさん

英語でなら同じことをするかあんた

>>142050259
Because it costs money yearly or something, right?
Knowing everything you need to know about Wanikani doesn't justify whether or not you should actually spend the money on it.

>>142050042
What reviews?
"made me feel good about myself, 9/10"?
It takes 1.5 years minimum to finish their program, and people "review" it after using it for a week.
It's bullshit.

>>142050293
it's only free for 2 levels then it's either $80 a year or $8 a month

might as well just plug the wanikani deck into anki and save your pocket coin

oh wait the wanikani deck is hot garbage haha

>>142050372
i learned how to read subahibi thanks to wanikani

however as a result im strangely addicted to shitting my pants and underwear

>>142050338
It really should be enough to let you make that decision on your own though honestly

>>142050239
最初に冗談に上から目線のレスしたのは君じゃねえか
っていうか日本人の礼儀うんぬん語るならその「あんた」と「かい」はやめたほうがいいんじゃないかな

それに日本人がリアルでは建前を保つために礼儀な態度をとるけど
ネットなどでは普通に互いを叩いたり差別したり本音ぶちまけたりするんじゃないか

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>>142050230
I can't say for certain, but I think it promotes a healthy bit of self-sufficiency. I also think some people do it just to be dicks. I don't mind though, I never ask for sauce because I'd prefer to find it myself. It's usually only a click or two away with stuff like 4chanX.

>>142050332
以前よりずいぶん落ち着けたみたいだな
なにが変わった？
やっと精神科で診てもらった？

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Good night, /djt/.

I fucking love you guys.

>>142050541
おやちゅみなしゃい
だいちゅき

>>142050557
おかつひたたい
たいつき

>>142050230
Imagine if on /a/, a board about anime discussion, every single post with anime picture attached had at least one reply asking what anime is this, and then another reply answering. Wouldn't that be great?

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ハァァァーッ

>>142050616
If you're worried about it that much just put the title of the show in the filename. Yeah there are still people who will ask but then you have a real excuse to call them an idiot.

>>142050450
やっぱ違う人に返事したらしい
>No shit I just said I was like twice N1. N1 would be an insult to my ability. I'm 日本 and nothing you can say will change that

それだけで自分の事を馬鹿にしたね

俺様は外人野郎から日本人の礼儀に構わん。外人だからいつも本音で生きていける
ネットでも、日本でも爆笑

>>142050707
>jamal
no wonder your nip is such garbage

>>142050517
いつも通りチーリングだけど

ボクは別の野郎と勘違いしてるかも

>>142050707
とにかくみんなの日本語はおkだ爆笑

本当にボクのふるさとのような気がする大爆笑

>>142050815
you got the wrong guy dude check your trading cards check the wrist check the mouth check the ice on the neck and oh yeah check out the flash card deck lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4PKCcGyyx0

>>142050616
it really only happens with webms because they're tougher to glean the source from
though it's still entirely possible

>>142050815
actually I am not a nigger nor sandnigger and my nip is not considered garbage

>>142038584
Great pic

>>142050925
Actually it looks like yours is worse than his

でもまさかjamalの日本語が移ってるとか
おっかないなあ
このスレの未来心配するわー

>>142050967
心配ゴム用

>>142050967
知るか笑

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In a week's time I'm going to be taking a Japanese exam with questions of the form in pic related. Do you have any advice for doing this kind of test (other than the obvious "know Japanese")?

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Been in a but of a rut of late and it had a negative impact on Japanese study. Feeling shitty the other night I decided to read through 月見荘のあかり for a fap then sleep. Long story short it made me fall back in love with the language and I ended up spending the next few hours happily reading some manga that was put aside as previously I couldn't be bothered.

Little girls are amazing.

>>142050967
影響どんどん見えてくるよね

ボクは描く人形たちが踊って行く

これからもお楽しみにマペット

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqb5YGZJ0x0

>>142051035
とにかく自信を持つのはいいが持ちすぎてはだめ
俺はこれだけでかい口叩いても間違うことはないなんてこと一切思ってないから
君も同様、自分が無謬ではないことを気にとめておけ
それだけだ

>>142051080
I don't know what better to tell you dude. Just the obvious stuff like read the answers first then skim for the relevant section and stay focused on that. Like you could probably answer that question only reading the sentence with the (A) in it.

Other than that it's not like you can just cheat your way to learning Japanese.

>>142051111
大体いい発言だけど場合による
自信持ちないより持ちすぎた方がいい

Fake it till you make it

>>142051081
True dat

>>142051277
この発言はお前の上限だ

>>142051101
一つのお願いがある
その下手なラッパーのビデオを添付しないくれ

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>>142051263
Fair enough I guess, thanks. I'll probably do a bunch of these kind of questions to get used to it within the time limit.

At least the English test looks fun.

>>142051348
残念ながらそうでもない
ちょっと意義あり
皆は自分の限界を決めるものである

>>142051277
確かにあるていどそうなのだろうな
うましゃべれないからしゃべらない　じゃいつまでもすすまないしね

だがな、自信といえども異なる種類がある
自分が正しい自信と
自分が間違ってもいい自信
勉強に関しては後者の方が大事とおもうんだけど違うかな