Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1552

Wow, listening to namasensei's lessons really gets me in the mood to do my daily work, I'm so glad his videos are back.

You bitch.

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なぜば大抵なんとかなる！

はやっ

>>141993101
Huh, that's good to know., I was actually debating whether to use 無 or not. only started learning a couple months ago so I'm still a dekinai.

>>141994382
If only he had thousands of videos covering material from all levels of the JLPT

>>141994382
It really is a shame that he stopped making Japanese lessons, they always made sense for some reason. He actually managed to make Japanese simple.

Why did he quit making videos?

>>141994543
I know that he got fired from his teaching job in Japan, not sure what happened after that though, seems like he's been through a lot of shit

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>tfw realizing the japanese word for firework literally translates to flower fire

>>141994455
could you be any more reddit

>>141994894
What was reddit about that?

>>141994968
Using JLPT levels to guide your learning
Sorting material by JLPT level

>>141994751
Just wait till you see 火花

>>141995013
Well it's just convenient isn't it, I just used that to express that I wish he had videos that covered a wide range of shit about Japanese

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If えい is supposed to be pronounced as a prolonged え why is the i audible sometimes, like in the word セイフク? Is it because it's written in katakana and was originally a foreign word? I'm pretty sure that I've heard the same from words that are written in hiragana or kanji and aren't foreign too.

>>141995087
Sorry I missed one

>Trying to learn from videos that aren't native material

>>141995033
>>141994751
Related question. Are there any two-kanji words that have the same meaning when you switch the order of the kanji? Or are used interchangeably, at least. I vaguely recall encountering one once early on in my studies, but it seems somewhat impossible in retrospect.

>>141995098
制服 is not foreign wtf

it's pretty much a gamble whether or not the い is distinct after an -e mora though, just listen to the word being spoken

>>141995231
I can think of plenty of trivial examples

>>141995098
>えい is supposed to be pronounced as a prolonged え
What?

>>141995231
誕生 and 生誕 are an example I have at the top of my head of that kind of thing.

>>141995231
作製 and 製作？ Don't know if any more exist though.

>>141995231
easiest one
切腹
腹切

>>141994594

What's the story there?

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anyone here read medaka box? Everyone said nisio writing being hard was just a meme, but I swear this is way more difficult to understand/has way more kanji I don't know than other shounen manga. For reference I just read through koe no katachi in a little under a week and felt pretty comfortable, needed to look up maybe a word per page on average.

>>141995399
Some kid's mom saw one of his vids.

>>141995231

The 切腹 腹切 that someone else posted is a good example, but most of the ones that are identical in meaning and pronunciation tend to be extremely obscure.

A hint to reading them, though: when the char implying action comes first, it's an on'yomi, last, a kun'yomi. The different SVO and SOV structures of Chinese and Japanese respectively are helpful here and quite useful for reading new and unknown compounds.

>>141995563

I haven't seen any of his stuff. Is it the kind of thing to give some mother the vapours?

>Start reading manga in Japanese.
>Like the manga a lot.
>Switch to English instead because it's faster
Every fucking time.

>>141995662
He drinks and swears, and it seems like that's enough to frighten Japanese people off.

>>141995662
Well, go watch one.

>>141995673
>been reading one piece in english
>find a place with raws
>decide to start reading raws instead
>read three chapters
>stop reading one piece for 4 months until I give up and read in english instead
It wasn't even hard to read, just fucking slow

>>141995673
Why even bother learning Japanese if you're fine with the English translated garbage

>>141995673
That'll wear off once you get more comfortable reading. It helps if you force yourself not to switch over.

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Why's it gotta be so impossible to find japanese ISOs for my favorite PS2 games?

I just wanted to replay Dark Cloud 2 and the .hack games in japanese...

>>141994382
>watch Namasensei's te-form video
>no distinction between te and tte, (even though he pronounces it correctly)
>says that the te-form is the command form
Why is this allowed?

>>141995673
Try to find obscure things that you like but where the English tl falls behind.

>>141995848
I guess I should stop reading manga above my level now since I'm learning Japanese.

ビッグ　ディックス　イン　マイ　尻

>>141996100
Yeah, pretty much.

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>>141995980

>>141996269
I'm not actually sure about what they mean with the (En,Ja) ones, I know when you beat the game in the PAL version at least you could select japanese voice overs, but I can't remember if that was japanese text also, and I don't really feel like playing again in english just to play in japanese.

I didn't know Vol 3 and 4 were up, though. Only 1 showed up for me earlier.

They're still missing one. And no Dark Cloud. As well as a bunch of other PS2 games. Earlier systems seem to have plenty of japanese roms available. I've tried searching in japanese as well.

>>141995980

Emuparadise.me

You're welcome.

>>141995551
I only read it in English, but towards the end (sometime 100+ chapters in) there are a literal shitton of word plays. Like, switching kanji and breaking the fourth wall is the topic of an entire arc if not more iirc. I imagine that to get pretty difficult, although I regret not going through it in Japanese.

>>141996409

Well, shut my mouth, they don't have it...

>>141996495
Yeah, they're fantastic for earlier systems, but finding japanese roms of PS2 games that have english localizations can be a lot more difficult.

>>141996531
There is a Chinese site with almost all NTSC-J ISOs in existence.

>>141996685
What is it? I came across a few in search results but I don't know chinese so I couldn't tell! They also required registration and I didn't want to waste time signing up for a bunch of things that might just be fake/expired results

>>141996531

I did some quick Googling and it looks like there may be some legit links if you search for "dark cloud jpn iso". On an iPad right now, so I cannot confirm.

>>141996749
>so I couldn't tell!
Woah calm down

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>>141996755
Ohh, thanks for the tip. I tried NTSC-J and J but totally forgot to try jpn.

>>141996790
!!!!!

>>141996685
>makes a post saying there's a site
>doesn't link it or indicate how you'd find it in any way

>>141995848
>English translated garbage
How accurate is this meme, anyway?

>>141996891
It's very true that every game that gets translated is garbage

>>141996755
>file not found
Shit. That's what happens when it's blogs with filehosters instead of dedicated rom sites that host their own uploads.

>>141995231

I got one:

毛羽 Fluff

and

羽毛 Down

>>141996841
It's part of the adventure dude :^)

I hope he just forgot and isn't messing with me.

>>141996942

Sorry, mate. I could probably buy it for about 200円 at the Geo down the street, but it would cost ten times that much to ship.

>>141997070
Ahhh, oh well. There's plenty of untranslated games to play anyway. I'm just surprised that they don't really seem to have any dedicated rom websites of their own.

>>141995551
Nothing there is hard
The things that might at first seem obscure (全国模試,偏差値) are things that are extremely relevant to japanese students

>>141997070
Ripping and uploading it would be a fairly simple alternative. Same as a dvd I think.

I have read the guide, but what is, in your opinion, the best way to learn hiragana's kana?

Where do all the cool kids hang out?

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>>141997535
pick them out one by one w a spoon and say its sound out loud before you slurp it up slowly (mmm)

>>141997607
Hellotalk.

>>141997607
/int/

>>141997535
Do Remember The Kana, and struggle through reading every kana you see. Even if you dekinai for a week or a month or two or what the fuck ever, just keep reading them kanas. The sfx in hentai manga, weabboo shitposts, etc. Also realkana after RTk.

>>141997535
>hiragana's kana
what

>>141997807
That place is full of dumb nigger sailors trying to be clever by hating on white people behind jap flags while stationed overseas.

>>141997857
Just wait till he hits those Chinese Kanji letters

>>141997857
The guide only gives me practice under the kana section, I'd like a way to memorize, learn, and fully understand it. Thank you.

>>141997774
I've been on HelloTalk for months now and I've never gotten significant practice with anyone there. Maybe once, but still the conversation was uninteresting as fuck.

>>141998007
I don't know what the fuck you're on about but http://realkana.com

>>141998052
This + writing.

>>141997836
Why the fuck do you think that someone who hasn't learned kana yet would know what　出来ない means?

>>141997628
>>141997857


Fucking faggots, you are the reason why these threads are always shit.

I hope that the mods start wanting to get rid of these threads again.

>>141997946
How did the dumb nigger sailors learn fluent japanese

>>141997607
They are too busy watching anime and reading VNs to be hanging out and only come here to shit on you for being bad at Japanese

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Where should I go if I want to practice my Japanese on a 3DPD?

>>141998312
Japan

>>141998165
ore spelled it in eigo, troll. Keep talking kuso, and boku fucking korosu you cocogin. wakaru?

>>141998324
I mean online.
Fuck, I don't even have the time or money to go to Japan.

>>141998387
Go talk to random streamers on ニコ生

>>141998094
just look up stroke order.

>>141998165
but then how are we gonna laugh at the dekinais?

>naiS
やめろ

>>141998552
出来ないたち?

What is a good mature retention? Is 90% decent?

>>141999330
98,5% is decent, 99%+ is good, 100% is the ideal

>>141999410
ha pleb everyone knows if you don't have 99.95% you're literally retarded

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Post your KG

>>141999330
Depends on you. Everything over 90% is good IMO. I got 93%

>>141999653
Top left, Tools, Addons, Kanji Grid, Sort by score

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>>141999459
わ、わたし？！

/djt/, what is the best anime this season?

>>141999714
why are you posting here

>>141999739
Because I just started learning Japanese and need your advice

>>141995999

Literally every class you take for the first year/year and a half of Japanese will call te-form the "command" form.

It's an easier concept to grasp than "connective form with a shitload of additional grammar."

teiru might get covered in an elementary Japanese class, but actual te auxiliaries are left until intermediate level.

>>141999792
my advice is to get your JLPT 1 and get out of here

>>141999733
ｉｒｏｎｃａｓｔｌｅのハバネロ

>>141999733
mayoiga

>>141999820
I'll take it this december

>>141999733
フライングういっち

>>141999733
wagamama high spec

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>>141999891
great taste, anon

>>141999881
didnt think it was possible to have taste this shit

>>141999891
>anime about frying witches
Sounds great

If I wanted to describe an instrument I play as 'loud' but not in a negative way would I use 派手? Or does that only mean 'loud' in an attention grabbing sort of way, I suppose I'd just use うるさい for noisy?

>>142000116
Use ラウド

>>141998312
Hellotalkです

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ここで日本語を学んでいる青少年たちに興味があります

>>142000339
ホモはでていけ

>>142000339
俺はおまえに興味があるよ

>>141996891
Enough to make you think that everything that wasn't originally produced in your native language has been altered in a way that the final result is no longer what the author meant to have written.

>>142000471
キモい

恐る恐る運転しながら時にはアクティブ？に安全運転で帰りました。


While driving timidly occasionally actively safely driving we returned home.

Wtf does アクティブ？に安全運転

It could be 2 sentences but I dont think so.

>>142000616

This looks like the kind of weird bullshit found in light novels.

>>142000616
Don't translate it. Read it out loud as if you're the one saying it.

じゃあ、明日いっしょにコーヒーを飲みに行きます。

Can you use [masu stem]+に行く as part of an invitation? Or does that not make sense/is unnatural/dumb?

>>142000616
Cautiously, sometimes even... too much so? we drove back safely.

>>142000871
As someone who doesn't know anything about Japanese other than they have three different methods of writing, can you explain how this works?

>>142001007
works fine

飲みに行こう

>>142001007

It's weird.

飲んでいこう? is more appropriate.

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>tfw don't have to wait for translations anymore
feels fucking good. i can't believe there are people out there (with the time) that wait years for translations instead of just learning the language

>>142001107
There's nothing to explain, 止める and 辛い can both technically be read two ways

>>142001107
Context.

>>142000871
>got tomeru wrong
>got tsurai right
Complicated a feeling so.

>>142000871
I think it's actually supposed to be とどめる, tbqh.

>>142001107
Kanji isn't a phonetic script so the pronunciation of the characters changes depending on the word they're being used in. Most kanji have at least 2 possible readings (pronunciations), and some can have considerably more than that.

Because the kanji and okurigana are identical in 止める (とめる) and 止める (やめる), and 辛い (からい) and 辛い (つらい), the only way you can tell which reading (pronunciation) is intended is by seeing the words used in context.

How do I set up Anki to mine words from visual novels? It's probably in the guide, but I can't find it and I'm really eager to play Higurashi and mine the shit out of it.
pls halp

>>142001402
It doesn't work on Windows or Macs, you have to install an operational system called Gentoo, then your Anki will have mining as a setting

>>142001445
Stop trolling him. You need to use FreeBSD, not Gentoo.

>>142001445
Sure, /g/ :^)
Not falling for your shit

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When did you grow out of using 僕?
You certainly stopped at least when you became an adult, right?

>>142001558
>not using あたし

>>142001558
I've been always using 私 and I'll never stop doing so

>>142001558
>not using 某

>>142001133
Please don't give advice as a beginner

>>142001380
Thanks.

>>142001681
That's what this thread is about, though. If you don't want advice from beginners go talk to actual rice eaters on /int/

Alright, for various reasons that I won't get into (suffice it to say I have to do about an hour and a half of working out each day), I don't have much time in my day for studying. I've gotten to about 800 kanji learned and am working my way through Tae Kim. Assuming I'm still at 800 kanji when I finish Tae Kim (obviously, I won't be), would this be enough for me to start reading my creepy visual novel porn games? I'm extremely eager to start reading stuff I'm actually interested in, but studying is a slog when I think about how I could be playing porn games instead.

>>142001732
No, you need to have learned at least core2k to read

>>142001726
I mean like, there's intermediates here too you can leave the question to them.

>>142001558

わし masterrace

わし芝出ていけ、ガキたち！

>>142001732
Sure, but expect to go awfully slowly and look up 8 words out of 10.
Suffer through it for a few weeks and your speed will dramatically increase.

>>142000871
>辞める
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1463850584361.webm

>>142001732
You could start reading them now if you're good at looking things up

>>142001820
>there's intermediates here too

ayy lmao

>>142001842
>i thought it was something truly erotic

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So why aren't you using WaniKani, /djt/?

It's objectively the best tool to learn Japanese, you know!

>>142001402
>Higurashi
You have to start with Flyable Heart. Agree to read it first and I'll tell you.

>>142001877
I can say things like 貴方はすごい莫迦ですきっと which puts me a level above you 初心者たち

>>142001928
>Flyable Heart
I'd rather read Hanahira

>>142001933
>putting anything after です

>>142001916
But I'm already using your mom, the best tool to learn Japanese. I grind on here more than I grind Anki.

>>142001959
莫迦発見ですここに

>>142001732
What you need to be able to read is a good sense of grammar first and foremost and then an ability to recognize words or at least familiar kanji pronunciations so you can look them up on jisho quickly (and remember them; if your memory sucks don't bother reading before doing core2k).
Drawing them into google translate is a good fallback for when you run into a new word with kanji you don't know how to read.

A good grasp of simple grammar is the most important thing you can get, but it comes from exposure and not from Tae Kim. He does provide a good foundation for it though.

>>142001959
>being this new

>>142002030
He's reading porn games he can just use a text hooker

>>142001949
Unless you read Flyable Heart you will never learn Japanese

出来ない
出来ない
出来ない
出来ない
出来ない
出来ない
出来ない

>>142002046
>いるこれあたらしい

>>142002085
Someone should write a couple pages of this in veticle text and shop it to look like that nisio page of 嫌いだ

>>142002073
わたしはflyable heart を読みたそれで日本語マスターなったです

This is going to sound fucking stupid but it's worth a try.

Does anyone know where I could find grammatically complex and difficult japanese paragraphs/sentences/articles that have been picked apart and have each part of the sentence explained?

It's very easy finding something like that for simpler grammar, but when it comes to more complicated grammar I haven't had much luck finding them in use together.

>>142002073
pretty please

Why are there no furigana in ero manga? Fuck this.

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>>142002169
Have you read this? It should be in the CoR.
It's pretty much what you want, some not too hard but adult level short novels picked apart word by word.

>>142002169
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/advanced

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>>142001732
>Assuming I'm still at 800 kanji when I finish Tae Kim (obviously, I won't be), would this be enough for me to start reading my creepy visual novel porn games?
According to this image (no idea where they're getting their data from), and assuming your goal is 100% coverage, no.

>>142002116
Post the nisio page.

>>142002169
http://ameblo.jp/aiaia18/entry-10297510792.html

I recommend this blog. It has some very difficult japanese sentences with detailed explanations, and does one short chunk at at time. It has pictures to go along with it to help your understanding.

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>>142001779
I've found my brain tends to fry if I do too much Anki and I tend to forget new kanji faster than I can commit them to memory, leading to a feedback loop that will inevitably end with me having to review all 2k cards each day. My fear is that I'll get so bogged down in the studying that I'll never reap the rewards of pornographic anime games.
>>142001841
I would fully expect it to be slow, but it'd be replacing my general gaming time, so I'd have plenty of time. Just can't spend too much time studying because my brain will fry and I'll fuck up on my Ankis and have unwieldy review times.
>>142001860
I'm not good at looking things up with one hand.
>>142002030
As has been said, I can use a text hooker. I like to think I have a decent memory, but considering how slow-going my Anki studying is, I'm not so sure. Maybe Anki is just too repetitive and not fun for me. That said, how can I get a good sense of grammar? I figured going to visual novels instead of manga/light novels after Tae Kim would be optimal (horizontal text, able to use a text hooker to look things up, VOs to go with the reading), but is there something more I need?

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>>142002260
New to all this, but doesn't the /djt/ guide say that Tae Kim's 'advanced' grammar is actually still pretty basic?

Is that true?

>>142002450
It still covers basic grammar, that makes it defacto basic.

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>>142000871
Holy shit I knew it!
Fuck I hate it when that shit happens, you think "what the fuck is wrong I know it's pronounced やめる" and you think you are stupid and then you find out you weren't so stupid and it's actually both correct.

Same shit if you learn a kanji that has a similar meaning in every word and then it goes full retard and means something completely different in another word.

I fucking hate Japanese, but I also love it and this shit won't stop me.

>>142002450
All real grammar is basic

>>142001181
You didn't get either of them right if you didn't realize that they can mean multiple things ;)

>>142002369
Horizontal text and text hookers aren't as easy as furigana with simple words and easy grammar in beginner manga. Just reading a few of those will cement the basics of grammar and vocab. If you have absolutely no interest in manga though, do whatever will motivate you best.

Fuck literally every other show has hard subs these days

>>142002549
Well, I don't mean to say I have no interest in manga. My end game is light novels, but it's easier for me to replace my game time with pornographic games than non-pornographic reading material. That said, I'll be sure to check out some of the beginner level manga in the DJT guide. Thanks for the help, anon.

>>142002369
How many new cards are you doing per day? Are you doing them EVERY day? Are you doing Core and not some kanji-only deck?

>>142002450
yes

>>142002637
Why don't you replace game time with VNs with gameplay, like Eushully or Alicesoft games, Baldr Sky and so on?

>>142002549
Really? I actually found the "correct" sentences and easy-lookup with rikai to be easier to read as a beginner compared to manga which usually has many more truncated phrases and pieces of slang.

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Tell me that I'm a useless piece of shit that will never be able to learn Japanese.

It kinda motivates me.

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What do you all think about JLU's Remembering the Kanji deck?

http://japaneselevelup.com/japanese-level-up-rtk-mod-anki-deck/
An anon recommended this a few days ago.
I know I probably sound really fucking stupid, but should I jump into this before Core?

>>142002169
Read Real Japanese Essays

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>>142002824

Would anyone like to set up a reading group where we would get on skype together maybe 2-3 times a week and jointly read a article together and discuss?

Kunyomi compounds are literally the worst part of Japanese.

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>>142002824
お前がどんなに頑張って日本語を出来るようになったところで
二次元の女を抱くことはかなわない

>>142002678
I'm doing Core6k. I've currently got it set to 5 new cards per day. I've done it every day 161 days (I used to have more new cards each day, but my reviews were suffering pretty badly and I was getting in the habit of remembering that I could never remember certain cards rather than actually remembering what they meant).
>>142002697
Why would I want to play games with gameplay, ewww. I'm not some nerd, I'm a creepy guy who watches cartoons. Right now, my "game time" is spent on Higurashi on Steam (modded, of course) anyways, so it wouldn't be a huge transition when it comes to what I'd actually be doing.

>>142002915
Sure dude I'll read violated heroine with you just let me know when you want to start

>>142002369
A text hooker works fine for VNs and such. I find OCR to be hot garbage though, so recognizing kanji and gleaning words from context is still a good skill for reading manga or physical media.
Vertical text is a non-obstacle by the way.

I think a couple months of watching anime with subtitles as training wheels made a significant difference in my ability to understand simple grammar, like what you will probably find in manga and VNs. Basically, exposure is number 1 and it helps if you have a lot of context like voice and visuals to go with it. I haven't read any VNs but they're probably not bad in that department, so they should also serve as good practice as long as you have a way to make sure your interpretations of everything are correct.

>>142002981
>as you have a way to make sure your interpretations of everything are correct

Wrong, you just have to make sure they eventually become correct, but you'd have to be brain dead to misinterpret most things after the 20th time you see them

前の年の同じ月を０．２％上回り、２年１０か月連続の上昇となりました。

日銀の発表によりますと、先月、企業向けに提供されたサービスの価格は、平成２２年の平均を１００とした指数で１０２．９となり、前の年の同じ月を０．２％上回りました。指数が前の年の同じ月を上回るのは２年１０か月連続です

why nhk why must you repeat the same information twice every article. i swear to god this happens every article

>>142002450
He doesn't cover anything you can begin to call advanced. He does cover enough stuff to give you a foundation for the rest, though. You can get everything else from DOJG, imabi, and searching on alc.co.jp

>>142002833
Learn Kanji through Core. Go back to RTK only if you have trouble with the kanji.

>>142003143
He covers some things that are rare, although not many. What do you call advanced if you don't just mean rare? Is your definition of "advanced" tautological? As in "It's advanced because it took me a while to see it because it wasn't in Tae Kim"

>>142003032
If you don't have that much interest in the material you're using for practice then sure. Eventually might be a pretty long time though.
I just have a reflex to try and fully understand every set phrase or unknown piece of grammar I come across.

>>142002972
5 cards wow that's uhh, little. How many reviews do you get on average per day?

>my reviews were suffering pretty badly and I was getting in the habit of remembering that I could never remember certain cards rather than actually remembering what they meant

Were you making sure to hit the Again button if there was something you didn't remember about the card? Or were you just hitting Hard?

>>142002450
Keep in mind that a perfect score on N1 nets you "Intermediate" status here in DJT.

>>142002450
Please dont divide grammar into artificial categories like "basic, advanced, inter"; the point is all grammar may appear at any time.

That being said some of the advanced topics only appear in formal writing, but ive seen some of them in my mongolian horse paintings often too.

Just man up and fucking remember them all. Dont focus on this bullshit about skill level just keep reading.

>>142002369
>how can I get a good sense of grammar?
Watch anime. Lots of it

>>142003321
That's pretty much realistic though. JLPT doesn't even test conversational or writing ability, the whole exam is a joke.

>>142003280
The thing is that making a guess doesn't mean you don't understand it. If you guess right, then it means you do understand it.

In a sense, you're making a guess every time you interpret a sentence. It's just a question of at what level do you lose confidence in your guess. And, the majority of mistakes (as in, things you don't understand but THINK you do, not just thinks you don't understand) will not impact your interpretation of the story, because either the line wasn't all that important or it will be obvious in 2 more lines when the conversation doesn't makes sense any more.

>>142003463
again fuck off with this level nonsense it does nothing but detract from learning

get back to your reps and reading

>>142003313
About 80 reviews. I hit again if there's anything I don't remember about a card.
>>142003453
Already do, my n word.

>>142003506
>Already do
Obviously not enough

>>142001732
>creepy
fuck off

Found it. And I'm not reading Flyable Heart ',:^)

>>142003552
Well, yeah. I have other shit I have to do, I can only delegate so much time. It's not like I've only been watching anime for a couple years either, I've been watching since 2005 or so, but I don't have much free time anymore.

>>142003419
they're really euphemisms for "ubiquitous", "common", and "uncommon".

>>142003463
yeah, if you're not native level in all respects, you're intermediate. sasuga djt

>>142003679
>I don't have much free time anymore
>he thinks he can learn Japanese without being a NEET studying 24/7

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What are the mistakes?

>>142003750
They're all lit up nicely for you.

>>142003798
I still don't get it though.

>>142003825
It's using kanji with the same reading but different meaning

>>142003463
Well, it was designed by japs, of course it's a joke.

>>142003872
Not quite since the middle is just the wrong radical for the right kanji
And the right one is partially covered up by subtitles

>>142003872
好き

買い

味方

>>142003750
From left to right

- 見方 should be 味方 (mikata - an ally)
- The lower "box" in 買う should have two horizontal lines, not one (eye radical, not day radical)
- You subs are covering it up but i think it's the wrong kanji and should say 好き instead of 奴き

>>142003484
Yeah that makes sense. The point at which I lose confidence in my guesses completely and the narrative gets unclear is when I go and try to find out if there's some piece I'm missing.
It seems to be a problem of interpreting the context of a sentence rather than its grammar or vocab for the most part.

Does stroke order really matter or not as long as we can write the Kanji?

>>142004209
only a little so you're not mentally retarded

>>142004102
Oh yeah I'm never advocating for people to just makes stuff up, just that if you think you understand it you shouldn't feel the need to be told you understood it for every thing you come across. Everyone's gonna make mistakes anyway so the few that get through aren't a huge deal.

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>>142004209
if you write a kanji in the wrong stroke order before the eyes of a man who knows the correct order then you are pretty much forced to commit suicide by tradition (imo)

>>142004209
you write faster and pick up new words faster if you know the right stroke order

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What music do you listen to while you do your reps?

>>142004209
As long as it looks right it doesn't matter. The only time it would matter is if you are writing calligraphy

>>142004209
Pick your favorite five kanji (caveat: must be at least 6 strokes)
write them five times every day for three days
Congrats, now you understand stroke order

>>142003506
I'm not too experienced in this but sounds like a case of 出来ない. Pretty sure everyone does 15+ new cards a day and gets at least 100-something reviews.
You must be doing something wrong (like procrastinating during Anki way too much or not doing it at an appropriate time), or have the memory of a goldfish.
I don't know how you're gonna remember words from picking them up from a game if you can't do it from Anki.

BTW last question, how long does it take you to do Anki each day?

>>142004462
I would but I like the audio.

>>142003679
>I've been watching since 2005
>still struggling with grammar
I learnt Japanese from anime in 5 years

Anyone knows what "したげよっか" means? It seems like some kind of asking for consent or whatever but I can't find anything confirming it nor can I google an example of it being used in a way I'd be able to understand.

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>>142004462
japanese music for japanese reps

this one's got no words but I've been enjoying it lately

>>142004462
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UUTgWhQZJk

>>142004588
してあげようか

>>142004588
してあげようか

>>142004642
>>142004644
Thanks

>>142004642
>>142004644
ただ二秒の差か
これじゃ誰が先だったのかわからないから
両方にレスして判別しよう

勝った人に３点
負けた人に２点

>>142004522
About 20 minutes. I'll bump up my new cards limit and see if I can do better now that I've started to get a better idea of how it works.

>>142004723
Alright. Was expecting for it to be more time but it's definitely too short.

>>142004209
Just learn the stroke order for the individual radicals of all kanji which are like 200

Then follow the general guidelines of top-down left-right

Anything more than that is autism.

>>142004462
Susumu hirasawa is nice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgLQwE62_Q4

>>142004209
>caring about writing

>>142004462
Why would you do that? It's just distracting.

I like to say the answer to the card out-loud so music would get in the way of that too.

>>142005371
music is a good way to make tasks you find tedious more bearable

>>142005401
its distracting and shows you have no self discipline

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>>142005586
it's distracting but I like listening to it anyway, it's a deliberate choice
besides with my tremendous self discipline I have finished literally all of my reps and now no longer need to utilize anki

>>142005586
But I really don't have self discipline, and that doesn't matter as long as I do my reps.

When I try to play a game in japanese I always seem to end up either reading very carefully and trying tl learn every word I don't know and end up taking a lot or skip the text because I want to play. Do you guys have any game suggestions? The only games that come to mind and didn't have this problema are pokemon.

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I've been trying to hook ITH to VNs for over an hour now and I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. It just doesn't show any text at all.

I'm using this guide ( http://pastebin.com/raw/yhDP2CwF ) and I can't get past step 6.

>>142007086
nigga katawa shoujo's original language is english.

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>>142007086
>Katawa Shoujo.exe

>>142007086
The problem is you're not reading Flyable Heart, which should be everyone's first full-length VN in Japanese. Fix this and your problem will be solved.

>>142007271
I've tried it with several different VNs, including Steins;Gate, Umineko, Higurashi, Saya no Uta, Hanahira, Dorei to no Seikatsu.

Nothing worked.

>>142007324
Whatever, dude. It's not working anyway.

what's with the Flyable Heart meme. pls 説明してください

>>142007086
Have you gone through a couple lines in the VN? The other threads won't show up in the list until you do.

>>142007324
Why?

>>142007481
Everyone in this thread who has a reasonably advanced level of Japanese either learned it through non-thread methods like going to Japan, or read Flyable Heart. Therefore it seems obvious that you have to read it if you want to learn Japanese.

>>142007086
You see the "ConsoleOutput" bit? Click that and it should bring up a drop-down list. Try clicking through the options.

Of course, you'll need to actually get to a bit with text for anything to show up there.

http://maggiesensei.com/2010/09/14/request-lesson-%E3%81%A1%E3%82%83%E3%81%86%E3%81%A1%E3%82%83%E3%81%A3%E3%81%9Fchau-chatta/
What's up with the chau form I don't recall reading about this shit before.

>>142007592
行ってしまう
行っちまう
行っちゃう
これで、どうか行っちゃえ

>>142007556
>>142007525
Oh, I feel kinda retarded now.
Well, I guess it worked... sort of. Now the only thing that appears is this CCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC line

>>142007592
It's in Tae Kim's guide m8.

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>>142007720
>>142007525
>>142007556
Forgot the pic

>>142007748
Try a different VN. Don't know why you're even trying to texthook KS in the first place.

>>142007748
If none of the options contain the text you want you have to set a hook thread yourself by finding the hook code somewhere on the internet. But I don't think anyone cares about japanese Katawa Shoujo since the original is English.

>>142007324
I wanted to read FH but I can't even get the disc to mount properly because it was created using non-free software.

>>142007481
its easy to read

>>142007766
Just tried it with Higurashi again and it didn't work, except for some options buttons that appeared mid-game.

>>142007920
Oh, I see.

Well, I guess I'll just do as that anon said and get Flyable Heart and hope it works.
Thanks for the help, mates.

日本人の血を継がないものには
日本語の習得なんてとてもできない

蜥蜴が羽を生やして飛べるようにはなれないように
人が世の摂理には抗えないの

摂理に抗うものには
挫折と、苦痛しかない

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>>142008164
にほんじんになれた

>>141995231
来襲
襲来

Sort of.

>>142008122
You made the right decision, friend. I look forward to your success and prosperity. If you have any issues setting it up, feel free to ask, we will be only too happy to help.

>>142008328
一つだけでもレスもらえて本当に嬉しいです
これからももよろしくおねがいいたしまする

What skill level do I need to be ready to take on Flyable Heart?

>>142009499
Read something good instead

>>142009499
N1 at least.

>>142009499
I'd recommend having read at least one other thing first, something child-tier easy like Yotsuba or Hanahira. If you've finished anything like that, you're probably fine, but if you're just out of Tae Kim it might be a little tough.

>>142009589
Such as

>>142009767
If you can't think of anything you actually want to read why are you learning Japanese.

>>142009595
N1?
Couldn't see reference to that in the guide.

>>142008122
just use ITHVNR

>>142009810
Bad meme, ignore it.

>>142009701
Alright, I'll keep practicing with Yotsubato then!

ボクはゲイなんですけど

会社でエロラノベを読める俺は、幸せです

>>142009809
I'm not that guy. Are you suggesting "something good" because he isn't reading what he wanted to read?

>>142009950
お前が仕事をしている間にお前の家にひっそりと入ってエロマンガを読んで家具に射精する俺が本当の幸せ

>>142009910
dinandesuhado?
(wa?)

>>142009965
Yes.

But here if you want a suggestion of something that isn't recommended just because of its low kanji count then https://vndb.org/v415

>>142010030
数秒前にボクの肛門から大うんこが現れたよ

>>142010117
そごいね
意外と世の醍醐味が分かってるじゃん
ここでほかのウンコ通に会えるなんて思わなかった

>>142010030
どうぞよろしくおねがいします
あとの片付け、お前に任せろ

>>142010175
そこまで好きじゃないけど出る途中であのしびれる感じが最高だよ

>>142010089
maruto sux and so does your face!!

>>142009701
Wait, wait, Hanahira is as easy as Yotsuba&? I'm a yurifag so I guess I'll skip Yotsuba and read it as soon as I finish Core2k and Tae Kim.

its weird going back on some webms of my aboriginal dreamtime puppet shows and understanding a lot more of the dialog than when i first made them

>>142010767
I'd say yotsuba's at least somewhat easier, but you're going to be struggling a lot with either of them so do whatever, VNs are definitely more beneficial since you get listening practice in early too

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>>141995707
>drinking and English expletives scaring off a Japanese
What? Their society is basically lubricated by alcohol and excessive verbosity.

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>>141994393
勇者は他の勇者を愛することがダメよ

>>142000339
Is there anything the Japs haven't inserted kuso miso into yet?

>>142010089
Shit, the MC's age is the only thing that sounds right about him, the art isn't exactly what I'd want to see romantic/lewd CGs in and I'm averted to games with overly huge casts because they tend to be unfocused, but the premise sounds good enough. Thanks for the rec

Also if somebody's just starting out, I'd suggest AGAINST reading what they truly wanted to read anyway, because they would be spoiling themselves while not even enjoying it to the fullest. Get a bunch of throwaway/next-on-the-list materials instead

We back?

Todays flash cards went really well. I did them about 15-20 minutes faster than usual, and I feel confident they'll stick until tomorrows reviews even. On days like this it really does feel like I can learn Japanese. And it supposedly gets even easier past the core2k mark when less new kanji gets introduced. Awesome!

>>142012119
no

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>職

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Guy in Japan here. Been here for 8 years.

Willing to answer any questions if anybody has some.

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おはようおにいちゃん

いんかん

にほんではひつじゅひんだよ

>珈琲
>基督
Oh fuck off.

>>142012546
why?

>>142012546
Most loan words have ateji it's just no one uses them

Except for sometimes like with 背広

>>142013093
背広 is easier to remember than the alternative though.

>>142012260
How much are you hated by the japs

>>142013165
True, kana words are a bitch

>>142012415
おはよういむうとちゃん

げんき

>>142012260
why did you name yourself after a naruto character

>>142012260
when will you start learning japanese

残念ですが、今のボク達に"水素爆弾"は必要ありません

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>>142013323
いきもしてるし

しんぞうもうごいているよ

ちしおもうごめいているよ

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I found a good Japanese joke site. A kind of caption contest I guess.
http://bokete.jp/

>>142014855
I chuckled at that bear one

応答しろ！
嘔吐しろ！
I really hope someone made a disgusting pun out of this once.

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I finally finished learning all the jinmeiyou kanji (even the ones only used in proper nouns), but now I feel strange without having a couple new characters to learn every day

Does anyone have a list of kanji that aren't jinmeiyou or jouyou but which are still relatively common or at least not obsolete? I need to appease my autism

>>142012260
Have you ever been a target of gaijin hunters?

>>142016262
Start learning Chinese

It's the only way

Skipped the numbers and counters chapter in TaeKim. That is way too much.. I'll probably pick it up with context with time

>>142016262
Post your Kanjigrid

>>142016300
Don't cut corners on the basics, sooner or later the grind will catch up to you

>>142016300
>I'll probably pick it up with context with time

If only

I've been studying for 4 years and numbers still make me wanna kill myself whenever I come across them

>>142016366
I don't have one
I've got around 2/3rds of core 10k finished and have 3.2k kanji notes/cards that I inputted myself

>>142016294
There's no point in learning chinese because as an anglophone I'll never be able to speak it intelligibly without literal decades of oral practice

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>>142016262
I have these hyougai kanji in my deck according to my kanji stats, enjoy.
儂涅狗躇脆笊瞑峙躓椒嘯唖嘘儚媚飴墟褄吠疇朦鏝嬪爬梳嬲箪蟻檻娼咳鼾盃吊髭仇衾藉粍軋貶痍癌鋏魎姑囓牢拗啖痙蛛忝籤屠奢噤藪叩諫歪篭抓疼晰洒睨藹摸僻咀吃噪贅悄餉暈縋喊碌涎炙箒鴕葱儘冤訛憚淹飄餡莢猥憑顰眩掴鮪怯憮殲頷茹炸鰻餞嚼礫瞰恃仄軈繋闊魍拌俎魑狐屓埒蝕磔蛆鹸棘詛嗚諜呟靡廠姦酩擽嗜跪靭曰蟲黴呷錨酊瑕呻痺煽沁猾誅贄薇抉焉縊碍嬌掏簒贔覗濘躙蜘鸚顛掟鼠蠢咥憺鬨憫咆腑謬蝨霰俯痒吶唸掻爺禿瀾囁鵡槃蹂靄呆僭嘶諍捌蛙叛啜毟狡罠痣穢盥癈鉦偃絨巫癪笥毯吼獰剃奸燻渾狽鉾搦餃邂逅祀噛躊埃咎讐姐炒薔庖騙喘脛囮訝涜堡厠攣疚醤朧徨攫溪揉謳夥踵榴悶涸褻皺吽瞼躾屁擂爛佇膠駈屍捏嵌呑燐祓垢驕鬘撥淘矜焜攪祟糞臑舐齧詭哮艱愕塵腿彷屹壺遽鴫蝿

Does anyone else have any stupid mistakes that they started making early on and became a habit, which you still sometimes make today even though you consider yourself intermediate or experienced?

I sometimes mispronounce 全部 as ぜんぶん because I used to think it was written 全分 for some reason. And I still confuse the meanings of 大体 and 大抵 all the time.

>>142017039
When I'm tried and about to go to sleep but still want to read a bit I can make some amazing mistakes, like failing to recognize 今日 or 明日.

>>142017148
Yeah I fuck up ultra beginner level vocab far more often than I'd like to admit, pretty much only in anki though, it seems like the easier the word is the more likely it is to trip me up

>>142017148
昨日 and 明日 are pretty bad for me

>>142012415
どこでいんかんをもらえるのかしら？

>>142012105
>Also if somebody's just starting out, I'd suggest AGAINST reading what they truly wanted to read anyway, because they would be spoiling themselves while not even enjoying it to the fullest. Get a bunch of throwaway/next-on-the-list materials instead

neck yourself you insufferable retard redditor

>>142017852
Reading something good as a complete beginner is a waste, though. At least save it for the third or fourth VN/novel/manga you read.

>>142016300
What's so hard about numbers?

>>142017852
sup komeiji

>>142017899
kys dead you braindead fuckin idiot dumbo dickweed

im coming to your house to lop your head off with this new machete i bought for giving beginners cock shit advice chucklefuck

>>142017852
>>142017937
Did you just escape from /b/, anon?

>>142017960
My Japanese is definitely better than yours, nerd and I can tell you this is shit tier advice that needs to stay on reddit

>>142017852
>I don't have an argument so I'll call him a redditor, that'll show him!

>>142018030
You seem very familiar with the advice usually given on reddit, maybe you should go back there ;)

>>142018030
Nah you're wrong.

>>142018066
1. Read material of your choice that is not impossibly hard for you to read

2. Mine vocab from it (or don't but you'll learn slower)

3. Become familiar with the vocab the author likes to use

4. Read at a faster speed and improve

Now kill yourself

>>142018075
you kill yourself too

>>142018122
>Read material of your choice that is not impossibly hard for you to read
For someone who's about to read his first non-textbook material, everything will be impossibly hard to read. That's the point. No matter what you read, you will barely understand half of it.

>>142018192
>I don't have an argument so I'll interpret his as an extreme case, that'll show him!

>>142018237
Nothing extreme about it, it's merely a fact.

>>142018267
It's irrelevant to the argument

Telling anyone not to read what they want to read is pantsu on head retarded

And anyone will have the common sense not to read something clearly above their level

If I wanted to play your silly game I could come up with dumb examples like "what if the person who starts out reading has already done core10k and spent 10 years living in Japan xD"

>>142018365
congrats you tripped my filter