Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1546

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ＤＪＴにようこそ！

>>141714278
アッハハじゃないの

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>>141718149
>since no one made a thread and i don't have any good pics i made this real quick hope you like it
This is actually the best one yet.

Needs the white at the edges sorting out though. Here.

Formally requesting that we rename DJT to:
>Daisuki Japanese Thread

>>141718571
Can you actually write, print out and sign a form requesting the renaming of DJT?

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>>141718149
use this one

はやっ

>>141718601
Sounds like a lot of work

>>141718436
（怒）

>>141718630
Ｒｅａｄ　ｍｏｒｅ．

Why learn so many kanji when not even Japanese know that much anyway? Learning the very basics is more than enough (1k - 2k). Who the hell even remembers over 40k kanji

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Friendly Reminder

How to tell if something is a shitpost:
>calls the community made guide/whatever method a piece of shit with no reasoning given why
>insults someone giving helpful advice with no reasoning given why
>attempts to create arguments over virtually nothing (eg opinions without facts)
>"spam questions" that are easily answered via a 1 second glance at the guide
>uses obtuse Japanese fragments interspersed with English to attempt bypass people trying to filter the shitposts
>any mention of anime being shit, or claiming that X isn't "real Japanese"
>spells the word as romaji

>>141718782
You can't even read children bedtime stories without knowing at least 5000 hiragana and 200k kanji.

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>>141718782
>the only option is to learn either 1k-2k (less than the jouyou list) or 40k, there is no middle ground whatsoever

>>141719199
I will destroy kanji when I become the prime minister.

>>141719316
Heisig will never let you do it as long as he's Emperor of Japan.

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>>141719199
>US government thought kanji was stupid after the war
fucking americans

>>141713783

Send help I can't stop watching this webm

Sometime after I finish reps some cards are in "Learning" and I have to wait a couple minutes before I can do them.

Is this, uh, good? Can or should I change it so I can do it at once?

>>141719682
4じゃない

>>141719821
It's that adorable little うぅん of complete uncertainty that gets me every time

Why do I keep reading 放射能汚染 as 放射能おんせん

簡単なこと、目は見えているか、耳は聞こえているか、彼を本当に助ける気があるか、調べて必要無い者は削除されていくんだ、ダメな奴ほど足を引っ張る、しダメな奴ほど自分が足を引っ張らていると思う、一人ボクサーって奴だ、自分で自分を殴る、飲み物と毒の区別がつかない、助け合うのが一番理想だが今のネット社会じゃ無理

>>141718149
Is she drinking fish oil?

So I used to hook VNs with TransAggregator and ITH but I recently made a fresh install of Windows 7 and I want to transition to chiitrans. Thing is, I can't dl Atlas anymore on the fujitsu site. If I download chiitrans, will it be included in the download? If not, is there a torrent or a mega link where I can download atlas?

What are some good relatively easy light novels that I could read on my phone without a text hooker? No philosophical stuff like 俺のラブコメヒロインはパンツがはけない please.

>>141720561
It's hard to give recommendations when we don't know what your level is. What LNs did you already read?

>>141720528
>atlas
The sooner you stop machine translating, the faster you will actually start learning the language.

>>141720561
Oreimo ;)

>>141720747
I just thought it was required for chiitrans to work. It's not like I'm gonna translate full sentences anyway, I just need the hooker to work as a dictionary.

>>141720848
chiitrans lite has built in dictionary and parsing, you only need atlas if you want to machine translate to english

>>141720934
Oh, fine then, thank you anon.

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study hard today

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The only thing you can do to fight laziness is form habits and just make the rational decision to do the goddamn work! Worst case scenario, you barely do any new anki cards and have to wait years before you're good. If you learn 5 kanji-vocabulary a day, you'll know 3,000 kanji in less than 2 years, and would have barely spent time studying. Obviously this is suboptimal but you can be a lazy shit and still do it.

Another thing would be to force yourself to read manga in Japanese. That's what I'm trying to do and it's ridiculously helpful. Reading practice is the most important thing to do while learning Japanese. If you do nothing but anki for 100 years you will never learn Japanese. Try reading a single chapter or something a day and build up as time goes on.

Do *not* rely on motivation. Just make a schedule and stick with it. If you can't do that, sorry, but you really can't learn Japanese.

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1462118463675.webm

>>141721663
context?

>>141721663
that girls is fucking cute

>>141721286
I wish I were governed by rationality.

>>141721697
He's an 嫌なヤツ

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>>141721663
>>141721697
>>141721787
「ヤなやつ」はたぶんジブリじゃないかなあとおもうよ

ふるいやつ

>>141721912
あそうね
知らなかった

よし

I've just finished 3500 vocab reviews over the last 8 days catching back up after neglecting anki for 2months. I swear this is the last time I don't do my reviews even If I don't feel like it.

>>141723067
good

>>141718227
>セックス
It should be オナニー instead

>>141723668
I wish it was セックス

what the ffffffff
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>>141723067
>I swear this is the last time I don't do my reviews even If I don't feel like it.

>>141723846
怖え

>>141723916
pretty much. I've quit 3 or 4 times already.

Learning Japanese feels good. It makes me feel like I'm accomplishing something every day. Before I was goal- and dreamless, and was basically just consuming media every day for escapism, but now I have a purpose.

My dream is to become an eroge translator in the future.

>>141724147
That's what motivates me to keep going too, feels great having a goal, and feeling like you have a way to spend your time productively

I'm dabbling in doujinshi translating at the moment, feels good giving back to the community

How long has it been since you guys starting learning Japanese?

How proficient are you so far? What are some milestones that you've hit?

>>141720007
me too

>>141724302
Long enough ago that I should already know enough to do what I wanted to do with it when I set out but I've failed. On the positive side I've started up again and I'm having an easier time understanding the stuff I'm reading than In the past. So while it's still hard it's not as hard as it was. I can still learn it but is depressing thinking about all my previous failures.

>>141724302
291 days. Finished RTK1, Core6K, Yotsuba, can read (most of) Flyable Heart easily.

>>141724565
>RTK cucks biggest achievement is Flyable Heart
lol

>>141724302

Started mid-April last year. I can read a lot of Tweets, nhk easy news articles, things like Yotsuba, and I can carry on a conversation well enough. My listening is shit though. I'm not a neet unfortunately so I don't always have as much time as I want to study

I started learning Japanese because I wanted to read read untranslated doujins and watch unsubbed anime, but I don't even watch anime anymore. I just like the language. Reading and doing anki a little every day, even when I feel too tired or busy, has gotten me into good habits that go beyond studying Japanese.

>>141724644
savage

>>141724644
>cucks
Back to >>>/v/ with you, crossboard scum.

>>141724817
>this is how RTK cucks retaliate
lol

What's the difference between 帰り and 帰る ?
You can't use 帰り alone in a sentence ?
Like 帰る means going home and you don't specify anything ( where/when ), meanwhile with 帰り you have to specify where/when ( after school, at 6 pm ).

More generally, how does a verbal noun work ?

>>141724302
Like 4 years probably, although my level of seriousness fluctuated a lot early on

Idk about milestones, everything's so slow that I never really realise when I improve in any significant way, I guess I can read pretty much any SoL with very little difficulty, just having to look up a word or two every now and then, I can watch SoL with japanese subtitles fine but without subtitles I miss some of the faster spoken shit, my listening comprehension is miles behind my reading

>>141724935
It works by READING MORE

>>141724935
The masu stem of a verb just turns that verb into a noun meaning the same shit, so you can use it as you would any noun

So you can use 帰り to talk about the act of returning for example, instead of talking about actually DOING the act

>>141724935
One is a verb, the other is a noun.

>>141725130
Thanks

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>>141725084
Speaking of which, what is everyone working on reading currently?

Are you enjoying it? Learning a lot? Would you recommend it, and if so, to what skill level?

I'm aware we have a list for this, but active discussion isn't a bad thing, either.

>>141724147
>My dream is to become an eroge translator in the future.
>I'm dabbling in doujinshi translating at the moment, feels good giving back to the community
The more you learn japanese the less you will want to do this shit, except if you crave for the attention.

>>141724302
Started in 2011, passed N2 in 2014, failed N1 in 2015 by 10 points.
Since I finished post-grad and started working I do not have time to study properly so my overall proficiency is not increasing much, apart from my reading speed.

>>141725832
I'm the first guy and I wasn't talking for free. As in, professional translator. Though I could see myself doing a fantl of something 2 hours long or so if it was something I wanted people to experience.

>>141725730
>I'm aware we have a list for this, but active discussion isn't a bad thing, either.
The reading list never gets any contributions anyway.

>>141725832
>The more you learn japanese the less you will want to do this shit

Why do you think that?

>>141725877
>professional eroge translator
There's no such thing, m8. The only company I'm aware of that ever dabbled in eroge translations dropped out of the "business" in 2008 (probably because it was unprofitable as fuck).

https://vndb.org/p9

>>141725832
>The more you learn japanese the less you will want to do this shit, except if you crave for the attention.
Sounds more like you're just an arsehole and are projecting this trait onto others. Some people get a kick out of doing things others appreciate.

>>141725730
Reading 学戦都市アスタリスク vol 5. and playing Chaos;Head on the Vita (finished Steins;Gate 0 last December so I went and bought that)

Asterisk is easy for a light novel, so if you like the anime I recommend it.

>>141725877
Alright, the translation business does not seem to pay well so I wish you good luck.

>>141725945
Just my opinion but when you can actually enjoy things in Japanese it feels like a better use of time to continue doing that instead of translating stuff for a not so good community

>>141725730
Started kyonyuu fantasy after the discussion in /jp/
It's not boring me but the sex scene density is a bit too high. I'll probably just read the first one and then go back to focusing on anime. I downloaded the second lupin series to watch through (in addition of course to following ~5 shows this season)

>>141725993
MG, JAST. Though I'm guessing 5~ years down the line there will be more companies / the Japanese trying to localize stuff themselves without a 3rd party.

>>141725730
Reading Tonakoi. I'm not far enough in to recommend it, but it feels harder than Satsukoi. I've been on the same scene for 3 days. I recently doubled my daily Anki time and it is really burning me out. I need to cut back again.

>>141726388
More like in 5 years Japan will have cleansed itself of anime for the tokyo olympics

>>141724302
Started April 2012,
Passed N2 December 2014
Passed N1 December 2015

Reading VNs and LNs, playing japanese video games, no plans about going to japan, or actually interacting with japanese people.

>>141726388
MG doesn't even show up on VNDB, and JAST have hardly released anything in English. I know that the Steins;Gate translation that is attributed to them was actually a fan translation that JAST bought when it was very near completion.

It's pretty stupid to bet on getting a job in such a tiny industry, especially when you have no formal qualifications related to that field and no translating experience.

>>141726615
I'm not sure where you're getting 'betting' from, I just said it's a dream...

And you don't know what the future brings. I'm fairly optimistic, especially with Frontwing now setting a precedent.

>>141726274
>Just my opinion but when you can actually enjoy things in Japanese it feels like a better use of time to continue doing that instead of translating stuff for a not so good community

I've been enjoying things in Japanese for a long time and continue to do so all the time, I also enjoy providing fap material for other people to enjoy and seeing their happy comments of gratitude, if I spent years learning a skill why would I not want to use it for the good of a community that I feel close to and want to give back to

>>141724302
A long time
Pretty much 流暢
Two days ago I 話すd to a Japanese person

>>141725945
Cos EOPs are fucking braindead retarded.

>>141725730
Reading through 赤髪の白雪姫 and (trying) to read 人類は衰退しました。Not sure how to recommend their levels as I haven't taken any JLPTs yet (I know, I know), but I'll be entering my fourth year of Japanese at uni if that's any indicator

>>141725730
Reading baldr sky dive. It's awesome, I'm a sucker for those consciousness/AI/VR themes, and the minigames are also addicting.

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Why has this dickhead stopped giving me stories? Don't tell me he only made 500 of them and decided to skip the rest and sell it as a book anyway.

>>141727461
You've been doing RTK without the pdf at the very least? You not only chose a terrible method, you also wasted your time welp.

>>141718925
ok

>>141727408
That game is such a masterwork. All the routes are designed to tie together so perfectly that multiple brick shitting is guaranteed in the last route.

>>141727499
What pdf?

>>141727461
>>141727635
Did you even read the guide before you started doing this?

>>141727700
No, guides are for fags and losers.

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>>141727726
This is incredibly low quality shitposting, but I'm going to respond here for other learner's reference anyways:

>>141727635
The PDF of the actual book. Reading the introduction, which explains how the method works, how the book is laid out and how to use it, is incredibly important.

It lays the out the foundation for learning using the RTK method, not just the 2000 something kanji found within RTK1, but also how to learn the 1000+ it is lacking when you encounter them "in the wild".

If you are planning on using RTK to learn, you'll need not only the anki deck but also the book (it introduces the radicals & the intro) and if you want, kanji.koohii community stories.

>>141727461
You should have used a deck like https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2077872612 that has the top 2 community stories from Kanji Koohii.

>>141727499
While I always recommend using the PDF along with the deck, it wouldn't solve this problem because he does stop having stories around 500.

>>141727140
>(I know, I know)
the fuck do you mean by that
The only people who care about JLPT are those who want jobs in japan and redditors

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What's the general verdict on RTK 2?

>>141727950
Why's it lacking a 1000+ kanji?

>>141727976
When there are no better ways to objectively measure your Japanese skills it becomes the best way

>>141728131
You'll have to ask that one guy from yesterday because he's the only person who's ever used it.

>>141728180
Please go back to r.eddit.

>>141728160
It covers the jouyou kanji, but it is likely that you'll learn ~1000 more depending on what you read.
See >>141719199 it explains it in greater detail.

>>141728160
because >>141719199

>>141727976
>JLTP doesn't mean anything
I'm not sure if I like this this meme yet, could you post it again?

>>141728180
There are plenty of ways to objectively measure your Japanese skills. Are you able to watch anime raw? How many word lookups do you need to read an average NHK news article? Jcat?

JLPTs are not bad. It seems some people here have knee-jerk reactions to simply hearing that word, not sure why

>>141728330
Just because the first 2 or 3 are pointless

>>141728268
But that isn't what I said.

>>141728330
Obsessing over tests is bad, especially when they cost a decent chunk of money, give you no real benefit, and don't even test the most important parts of japanese ability for actual communication.

>>141728352
Well pointless for presenting as credentials maybe, but not for judging progress I think. If you happen to live close to a test site and want to take the N5 or N4 even just to confirm the level you you already know you are, I say go for it. It's a great confidence and motivation boost.

>>141728330
because they can't pirate it

>>141728461
If you need to take a test for """motivation,""" you probably aren't going to make it far in Japanese.

>>141728429
I don't think anyone is obsessing over it though

>>141727976
Even if you are not applying to jobs in Japan, it is often seen as a good sign by companies.

Non-NEETs should take the JLPT N2/N1 if they can, it should improve (even marginally) their attractivity in the global job market

>>141727976
The department gave me the impression that everyone cares about the JLPT

>>141728261
>>141728264
I don't get it. Why doesn't he just cover them anyway instead of being a lazy bum?

>>141728491
Where did I say I need to take a test for motivation?

>>141728501
The dude implied that it was a big deal that he hadn't taken the JLPT or something, and also that it's like the only way to know your level as if just engaging with japanese isn't enough to make it clear what your level is

わぁぁぁいぃ～ C'mon DJT! Let's study some optimized Core2k deck! (/・ω・)/

>レモン
>遊ぶ
>遊び
>スーパーマーケット
>開く
>開ける
>タオル
>付ける
>気を付ける
>テニスコート
>白
>白い
>真っ白
>スポーツカー
>一緒
>一緒に

>>141728538
because the whole point of the method is thinking up stories that YOU can relate to, not blindly memorizing stuff

>>141728532
Although to add onto that, the main criticism I have heard from my instructors is that it doesn't really see if understand Japanese, just if you "know" it, I.e. regurgitate the information with little context

>>141728584
Am at the 1k mark and saw all of those except:
>付ける
>気を付ける

Got all of them right except
>一緒
>一緒に

What mnemonic do you recommend for 緒, study partner?

>>141728584
>テニスコート
>スーパーマーケット
I have never seen these in years of japanese lol

Obviously I have seen the abbrevation スーパー

>>141728510
Fair enough, again my main criticism was his assumption that we would give a shit that he hadn't taken the JLPT. I'll probably even take the N1 before I actually apply to jobs.

Back to >>141727140, tryng to apply JLPT levels to native material truly is reddit shit. Native material is by definition written for natives. The vast majority of it is going to contain some amount of N1 grammar and vocab, and a lot of slang that isn't covered in any N level.

>>141728618
>taking university courses
Found your problem.
Now please take your reddit opinions somewhere else.

>>141727140
>studying for four years
>can't read 人類は衰退しました

>>141728803
You can't fully understand and appreciate Romeo-sama until at least 20 years into Japanese.

>>141728803
Not him but isn't Jinrui written by Romeo? that would explain this

>>141728803
four years of university study though

>>141728711
The point was how fucking redundant a large portion of the core decks are and how much better your time would be spent if certain cards were removed or replaced.
No, I don't need to know learn what ハンバーガー or ヘビーメタル or any other loanword identical to its English counterpart, I could probably figure that out once I come across it.
No, you don't need 7 cards to tell me that slapping 真っ in front of a color means "pure"+color.
No, you don't need to waste a whole 'nother card on showing me the exact same word as the card before it, just with a に particle tacked on.

>>141729078
suspend the card and move on? It's exactly one keypress

>>141729078
>No, you don't need 7 cards to tell me that slapping 真っ in front of a color means "pure"+color.
真っ青（まっさお）
真っ赤（まっか）
真っ白（まっしろ）
2 out of 3 have irregular readings.

>>141729078
While it's true it's easy to figure out English loanwords, producing them would be another story. Not everyone here wants to speak / type in Japanese of course, but for those who do, it's useful.

It can help to think of them as not being English words at all, since some of them do end up kind of mangled anyways.

>>141728803
Is 人類は衰退しました good? I've been looking for more LNs to read other than キノの旅

>>141729124
wow back the fuck up, a simple and easy solution? those ain't accepted here

>>141729253
Basically loanwords are only worthwhile as production cards.

Of course wasei-eigo and ones that don't resemble english like アルバイト are fine as recognition

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Any of you guys got any ideas for these kanji? I can't find them in a radical search on jisho so it makes me think they're chinese or something

>>141729289
How can you be aware of the existence of LNs and not know if that's good or who the author is? Of course, though if you aren't very good at Japanese don't bother, it'll go over your head.

>>141729407
I'd like to think I'm pretty good at this point, guess I'll test my abilities with it

>>141729395
Chinese simplified that is, they're all "chinese"

>>141728751
Fair enough, I personally don't have any desire to take the JLPT anytime soon, I just parroted what was told to me by instructors which, in retrospect, is a terrible idea

>>141729289
It's supposed to be quite good.

>>141729407
First time I've seen someone talk about HHD like some sort of flagship for LNs, is it that popular? I only ever see the anime mentioned on /a/

>>141729395
>>141729489
For future reference, you can use the word "hanzi" (literally: Han characters) to distinguish the Chinese writing system from kanji.

>>141729143

This is why I still use core at all

>>141729693
It's the first LN people mention as an example of one with literary merit and witty writing, rather than the heaps of generic and bland shovelware that plague the medium. It's not "popular" in the same sense that Utena isn't popular with the average shounen anime watcher.
>I only ever see the anime mentioned on /a/
It's untranslated.

>>141719199
>It's said that the average native adult know something in the range of 3000 to 4000 kanji

only 4000? really?

if so, that makes reaching something like 30k vocab sound significantly easier

I know how to write and read hiragana and katakana. Whats the next step?

>>141730809
Read the guide and decide what learning method fits you

>>141729395
繅絲
Google says it means "silk reeling" in Chinese.

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Does the 2k6k deck contain all Joyo kanji? According to this one plugin I downloaded there are 1606 kanji in it.
I just want to be able to know when I have seen them all. Is the rest in 10k? If so, are the remaining kanji lists in there too?

>>141729124
I think Shift + 2 counts as 2 key presses, unless there is another shortcut for it.

>>141718149
WE'VE

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四つばーちゃん　あほなのか？

>>141731239
Core10K only goes up to ~2200 kanji, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't contain the entire jouyou set.

>>141731464
5才なのよ

I hope the anon who was posting the webms in the last thread's happy

I've spent hours looking through Japanese variety show threads on /wsg/ while I should have been reading this whole time

>>141731464
What does Yotsuba realize in the last panel?

>>141731726
That she shouldn't be talking to strangers.

>>141731726
おとちゃんが。。死んだ

>>141731833
Ah, right. I remember that.

>>141731258
@ is a single keypress in some keyboard layouts, the japanese one for example

>>141731726
That fucker Tocchan sold 4chan to the japanese monkeys

>>141731726
that im gay

Today I found out that Hanahira and Hanabira are different games, though they're both yuri. I think Hanabira is the commonly recommended, and generally regarded super boring one.

How is Hanahira? Also babby tier?

>>141731726
That it was a 危険日 after all yesterday.

>>141733485
Hanahira is the commonly recommended one. Hanabira is the one with an anime.

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>>141733485
Hanahira is the commonly recommended one. I've never heard of Hanabira.

>>141733579
>>141733594
Wait nevermind, I got them mixed up. Yeah Hanahira is the rec'd and boring one.

What about Hanabira? And in what way are they related, they have 'Same setting' on vndb

https://vndb.org/v10700

>>141733594
>I've never heard of Hanabira.

Obviously you don't browse /u/.

>>141733734
I've only ever been there a few times, and that was because I clicked on the wrong board. Lesbian stuff is really boring to me.

>>141733687
Just guessing, but they are probably at the same school.

>>141733687
>in what way are they related
They're both set at the same all-girls school.

>What about Hanabira?
Hanahira has no sexual content, whereas the Hanabira games do. So basically Hanahira is just a tame yuri SoL story whereas the Hanabira games are actual yuri eroge.

t. vndb tag reader & screenshot observer pro

Why does typing こう and pressing space not give you any of the kanji that have こう as an onyomi

Fucking Microsoft

>>141733935
But why is Hanahira more popular? I find Hanabira has way better art.

>>141734050
Because it is the easiest VN to read and it is short.

>>141734050
It's not. Compare the number of votes:
https://vndb.org/v917
https://vndb.org/v5244

Hanahira is more popular HERE because it is really easy to read due to being a very simple SoL story.

>>141734120
>>141734132
But that brings me back to my original question; do they really differ in difficulty? Because it doesn't seem like it. Might as well rec the better game, no?

>>141734172
I guess the characters in Hanabira are more mature in personality and speak with more mature language. Or not, who knows. The reading list is neglected as fuck when it comes to easy VNs. Actually, it's neglected as fuck in general.

Would Nekopara be a good starting point for reading?

>>141734377
No.

>>141734172
>do they really differ in difficulty? Because it doesn't seem like it
What exactly are you basing this on? Have you read either one?

The Hanabira game that you linked takes a Japanese person about 15 hours to read. Hanahira takes 2 hours. Hanahira is 99% voiced with about 1 line of narration in the entire game. Hanabira looks like a normal VN so it probably has tons of narration, which is harder to read most of the time, and isn't voiced. And I would bet money that at least one character in Hanabira talks like an ojousama while the characters in Hanahira talk like children.

>>141718149
ぞいちゃん Looks better on the OP

>>141734971
Nah, this is hands-down the best OP we've had. Its beauty lies is in its simplicity.

>>141735189
I liked the DJT Consulting Group one because of how well the name works

Wouldn't want it to be regular though

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>>141735189
The "DJT" text should be bigger, to be honest.

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>>141735687
The font should be less ugly.

How's this?

>>141735966
Why is that J so long? Looks dumber

>>141736014
For some reason all the nice fonts have really long J's. I tried Noto Sans first and that was even longer which is why I didn't use it.

>>141721912
>ジブリ
どういう意味？

>>141735966
That looks way uglier.

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>>141736068

>>141736132
ur mom looks way uglier dude lmao

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>>141735966
I like where you're going but I felt like it's missing something

>>141736265
we need to go longer

>>141736157
むごいやけど

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>>141736292
There you go, dude.

>>141736468
完璧

What's the most chuuni JP LN/VN/book out there, /djt/?

I want to grind chuuni vocabulary fast

>>141736586
Fate/stay night

>>141736586
Dies Irae.

>>141736601
He said "chuuni" not "trash".

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>>141736672

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>>141736292

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>>141736672

>>141736696
I'm not baiting, Nasu is a hack. It's no surprise that the only worthwhile entry into the Nasuverse (Fate/Zero) wasn't even written by Nasu.

>>141736733
Nice samefag.

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>>141736769

>>141736696
>>141736733
nice meme my fellow redditor

>>141736149
Is ヤなやつ a pun for something Ghibli related?

>>141736586

Steins Gate of course. You even get 2ch and science vocabs as bonuses

>>141736811
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxef22U4kXU

Seems like it's just a line from one of their films

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>>141736722
You can't just open a portal and leave the rest to others, anon

Look what happened

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>>141736646
That will do (until I gouge my eyes out from the difficulty), thanks

>>141736868
Already read it, I remember having a hard time learning 相対性理論

貴様らはぜってえにできやしねえぞ　諦めろ

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>>141737008
>相対性理論

What is it with japanese VNs and the 相対性理論?

>>141735966
>>141736265
>>141736468
>>141736722
>>141736983
Holy crap, just stop. Why are you making such a big deal out of it?

DJT isn't a committee on forming OP images, although you wouldn't know it sometimes from looking.

I've been really proud of DJT lately for not getting pissy about people using different images, but what you're doing now is still just as bad.

Just stop putting so much importance on it. You're like those people that take a shitty "MS Paint meme" and turn it into some ebin vector art image that you can blow up to 5000x5000 to make it seem important.

>>141736903
なるほど！

>>141737199
Now that we're not constrained to a single OP image, there's a temptation to get carried away in wanting to come up with alternatives.

ごめん

>>141737099
These scenes were great, along with the chromosome study scene and the prisoner's dilemma. All science should be taught by cute vn girls.

>>141737199
They're just fucking around mate, chillo

>>141737099
Hack writers think talking about physics makes their stories DEEP.

>>141737387
You say that now until it gets out of hand and then we're back to where we were a month ago with everyone arguing over the image

Nip that shit in the bud now.
They're the ones who need to calm their boners down for OP images. Just make sure everyone stops treating it like something super important (like in this case, making small corrections to font and trivial shit like that)
and we won't have any problems.

>>141737519
I mean the only reason those arguments happened was because of you know who so it's hard to tell whether it would happen again if we kept fucking around with it

>>141737283
What VN is this?

>>141738040
Judging from the filename, on popular on reddit.

>>141738040
Island

>>141736722
>>141736990
笑
一番冗談

>>141738067
because reddit is the only place that uses imgur

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Does anyone know what VN the background image of VNDB is from?

iqdb gives no results

>>141738040
>he hasn't read it already
Lurk more, newfag. It's widely agreed to be one of the greatest vns ever written, a masterpiece that epitomises the beauty of the medium. Every true eroge fan should know it.

I guess this would be a good time to evacuate before spoilers.

>>141737815
Well whatever, I won't say anything then.
But I'm still betting it's best to just keep it low key.
I mean, at least if they were talking about adding additional information or changing something more meaningful.
But look at all 7 of the variations that have been posted. There's no significant change at all. Going on like that is just going to make the OP image come across to new users as some holy thing that needs intense amounts of deliberation and must have the perfect font, and even one that was intended as a joke (like in this case) has to be perfectly meticulously scrutinized, and shit like that.

But I'll just throw that out there and not say anything else about it.

>>141738307
Yup, run, no-one even bothers to use spoiler tags correctly anymore. I personally don't care since I think VNs are garbage for mentally stunted manchildren and don't read them, but I understand your feelings.

>>141738191
https://vndb.org/v1280

>>141738318
People are just having fun m8 don't read too much into it. Now you'll be making a hot chocolate and enjoying yourself, alright?

>>141738373
>12 votes total
How the fuck did you know of this?

>>141738241
>Every true eroge fan should know it.

Yeah, it's the best eroge, even if it doesn't have any ero. It's that good.

>>141738378
Fuck that, I'm having ramen soup

>>141738403
It's in the FAQ

>>141738417
Exactly

>>141738318
>But look at all 7 of the variations that have been posted. There's no significant change at all. Going on like that is just going to make the OP image come across to new users as some holy thing that needs intense amounts of deliberation and must have the perfect font, and even one that was intended as a joke (like in this case) has to be perfectly meticulously scrutinized, and shit like that.
You might be onto something. Maybe it'd be for the best if the OP image were just something totally random that was up to the whims of whoever made the new thread, kind of like the Japanese threads on /int/. I mean, there's really no need for them to have any text at all since the OP pasta already says "Read the guide before asking questions".

>>141714278
>>141713783
>>141721663
These are pretty funny. Any shows like these I should be watching? If so, where?

>>141738241
b-b-but vndb says it hasn't been out for a month

>>141738457
Why is it so obscure? I can't even find a torrent (though for some weird reason there are torrents for the artbook of it floating around).

>>141738649
Your point being?

>>141724302
A year ago, according to anki.
I'd say I'm intermediate, read a bunch of VNs and LNs and a fuck ton of lewd manga.
The biggest milestone so far is finishing Bakemonogatari, I guess.

>>141739146
That's pretty impressive for a year in. Did you do vocab only study or kanji as well?

>>141724147
>My dream is to become an eroge translator in the future.
That's a shitty dream, to be honest.
My dream is to write eroge. Looking forward to you translating my shit, kouhai.

>>141731352
GOT

I like how non-LN books in Japan have anime covers.

I wish Western books had anime covers.

>>141739207
Oh, I mean the first 2 volumes titled "Bakemonogatari", not finishing the whole monagatari series, that would be crazy.

Only vocab, 6k and a mined deck.

>>141739642
I didn't mean Bake specifically, more the "bunch of VNs and LNs". A lot of people go through their first year and at most finish one or two things which are usually Flyable Heart and Yotsubato. So, props to you.

And cool about the vocab thing.

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>>141724302
Inspired by this image, I started in 2012. I've given up many times since then for various reasons. The early attempts failed because I really had no idea what I was doing or what I was even supposed to be doing, while the more recent attempts failed because I tried to rush through everything and ended up overwhelmed.

I know kana, some common kanji, basic grammar and a thousand or so words, but that's as far as I've gotten because of my ignorance and/or stupidity.

I have nothing but 4 years of failure under my belt so far, but I really want to learn this language so I keep coming back to it. This time I'm trying to learn from my mistakes and takes things more slowly. Also, for the sake of variety, I'm trying new methods - instead of Tae Kim and vocab only, I'm reading Imabi and doing RTK.

>>141740081
>I know kana, some common kanji, basic grammar and a thousand or so words, but that's as far as I've gotten because of my ignorance and/or stupidity.
How does it feel that I have the same amount of knowledge as you after only a month and a half?

It feels pretty good to me!

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>>141740081

>>141740145
>How does it feel that I have the same amount of knowledge as you after only a month and a half?
Is it even possible to learn that many words that fast?

>>141740145
Feels bad, man.

The most depressing part is that, if I hadn't been stupid and rushed, I probably wouldn't have given up before and would have gotten pretty far by now. But because I couldn't learn from my mistakes and kept doing stupid things, I gave up so many times and lost months, if not years, of potential study time.

>>141740157
I-I CAN! DON'T TREAD ON MY DREAMS!

>>141740321
50*30 = 1500
Yes, easily. Even if he only did 20, that's 600 in 30 days, and you could easily fluff the rest with katakana import words.

>>141740321
That's less than 30 words a day dude.

is 40 words a day too little?

>>141740541
its 30 too many for a shiter like myself

>>141740541
I've been fine with 30 so far which is 30*30*12 words a year.

>>141740541
You should balance drilling vocab with reading. Don't do more than 40 words if it means you spend hours a day on Anki, that time would go to better use looking at natural sentence structure and acquiring vocab in context.

>>141740628
>>141740707
i thought people were doing like 80 words a day

>>141740819
alright i see what you're saying, thank you

>>141740541
40 a day is pretty fucking intense, man. I couldn't keep up with that shit and I have more free time than most of the people here. 30 hit the right spot.

>>141740541
It's too much. Don't be an idiot (like me >>141740081 ).

It's better to finish slowly than not at all.

>>141741072
>i thought people were doing like 80 words a day

impossible with prescription meth

>>141741516
without, rather

>>141741422
>>141741350
actually screw it i'll just lower it to 30 because i'm afraid something weird is gonna happen soon

>>141741734
Well, I ( >>141741422 ) was doing 100, but everyone seems to suggest staying below 30 (if not 20), so I figured I'd warn you anyway since I don't want anyone to wind up in the same situation as me.

>>141741734
In a couple of months when the reps catch up to you it'll be about 400 old cards a day + 40 new, if you're fine with doing that then keep it.

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>>141741818
>>141741842
holy shit. i deleted that but yeah thanks for the heads up

>>141741422
I see your problem, aside from lack of motivation

you have the same problem I had
your entire problem is that you're not reading

just fucking read, man

stop with the tae kim and so much anki time

all of that should come second to reading

only use tae kim to briefly look up grammar in question, don't bother trying to learn grammar through tae kim that you'll just forget. skim it once in a while maybe, but nothing more than that

and even if you memorize a bunch of words by their english keyword in anki, you still don't really understand the definition without learning through context

and RTK doesn't actually teach you any vocabulary, nor do you actually need it


you should be spending four or five times the amount of time on reading over any of this other stuff

reading is the most important thing and there's no way around it

>>141741734
what kind of custom study?

cramming?

Do the chromefags here use any Rikaichan equivalent? Rikaikun seems to be laggy and it doesn't work.

>>141741929
I literally switched to firefucks just for rikaisama because the anki export feature is so useful.

>>141741929
I stopped using chrome since I started learning the language. Not only rikaikun sucks shit, the Japanese fonts in it look like ass no matter what I try.

>>141724302
4 years

I haven't even started reading at all. At this point I'm just playing a mobile game with Anki. I don't know why I'm still doing this.

>>141741929
These >>141741998 >>141742436
I switched to Firefox when I started learning purely for Rikaisama. There aren't really any features I miss aside from ctrl+f search results being marked on the scrollbar. Cross-device syncing and all that crap exists on Firefox now.

>>141741998
>>141742436
>>141742487
And I just uninstalled Firefox because it would randomly stop drawing pages until I closed tabs, and just generally shit itself. Jesus.

Guess it's back to Firefox then.

>>141742529
>randomly stop drawing pages until I closed tabs
Huh? Never had this happen to me unless I don't restart the browser for like 2 weeks and let the RAM it takes up go to like 1.5gb (but I had that issue in Chrome too). Are you using some fucky broken extension / downloading a ton of stuff from MEGA and letting the RAM usage get too high?

where in Tae Kim's guide does he talk about "or" expressions?

at least until what category because I can't find this shit

>>141742640
Not sure why it acts like this. I like to think that I treat my PC well and the only extensions my Firefox installation has are Rikaichan, uBlock Origin and Greasemonkey (+ 4chanx). I've also got a ton of RAM.

It's really strange. I'll click a link or any kind of content and it'll just load infinitely before I close a tab, upon which it'll instantly load. Happens way more often if I've got a lot of webms up. Doesn't matter how long Firefox's been running.

I won't write anymore since I don't want to start full-blown tech support, though, unless someone posts a miraculous fix of some kind.

>>141741929
Chrome master race here, I just switch to (unupdated) Firefox for mining and use the superior Chrome for everything else

>>141742845
Japanese doesn't work the same way as English in that regard, there's no "or" particle or anything. Closest you'll get is something like または or それとも, or just sequential questions with か

http://www.imabi.net/l70or.htm

>>141742942

thanks

that sure sounds a little inconvenient, though

>>141742867
Try Firefox Beta or Nightly instead of the regular version.

>>141743374
Might try that if I get really desperate. For now I just reinstalled and refreshed it.

>>141742917
Same.

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>tfw read this whole thing with minimal effort
is tae kim a wizard?

>>141743952

> mfw read these two sentences without being able to understand jack shit

no, you must have superior intellect or something

I already read Tae Kim's and have no idea what is being said there

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What in the world does the タマ mean here? Discussed this with someone who's lived in Japan for a decade, and he didn't know either. Might anyone avail us?

>>141744848
Probably this http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1339904918

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>>141744216
>no, you must have superior intellect or something
なるほど.....

>>141745004
So it's just an insult? That's what we figured, but we weren't quite sure.

>>141744848
means nutsack in japanese

I've finished a year of instruction at the college level, and I'm wondering if there is value in trying to read よつばと！ or other beginner text in the meantime to keep sharp. I keep finding myself looking up word every page, at it has a lot not covered in the class. Should I struggle through, or just stick with remedial textbook readings? (My classroom text is Yookoso!)

>>141746016
that's kintama, you faggot

>>141746064
Start reading something outside classroom shit as soon as possible or you will never improve.

いぇーい日本人見てるぅー？

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Where can I find a VNs with furigana?

>>141745922
I mean it's an insult in the same way that ヤツ is an insult i guess

>>141746234
Furigana is for little children. VNs are usually not aimed at little children

>>141746173
私わ日本人ですけどなにか？

>>141746234
>dekinai.jpg

>>141746169
As I understand it, manga is at best a weak way to understand the language because of surreal or comedic language. Should I look into beginner novels? I'm not particularly attached to manga at a learning resource.

>>141746234
Just use a text hooker to extract text and display it with furigana.

>>141746370
Anime related stuff in general is a weak way to understand the language. I read enough VNs to read Muramsa without a texthooker and one eye closed but then picked up a murakami novel to find I couldn't read a single word.

>>141746370
Comedy is still written in Japanese, anon.
But you can read anything you want, as long as you get exposure to something outside textbooks.

>>141746313
Right, that's what I meant; like a vague status-type insult. Thanks a bunch.

>>141746173
I am watching you guys scratching my balls.

>>141746443
yeah like nutsack

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>>141746381

>>141746381
while youre at it just read the machine translation and dont worry about the japanese

>>141746412
>>141746417
Thank you both very much.

Can somebody upload their mining deck? I deleted mine ages ago.

>>141746944
That's like asking for someone's used toilet paper.

I'm not so good with anki. Is there an easy way to create a custom study deck from a normal deck where the back and front of the cards are together as mememan suggests doing?

>>141747415
>back and front of the cards are together
You want to see both the question and answer on the same side or what?

>>141747508
うん

>>141747541
Well, you could go to the card browser, hit Cards and then copypaste append the back side html to the front side, start a cram session, and then just delete what you copied once you're done.

>>141747354
>>141747354
Please?

Any advanced websites to read? I kinda read the same stuff for a while and my problem seems to be new words pretty much so I wanna try harder texts.

>>141719441
>let's have a character FOR EVERYTHING
That said, I'm actually having an easier time with kanji than hiragana words. Katakana isn't too bad so far.

>>141721016
I'm at 63% retention. Hopefully I don't fuck it up tomorrow.
>>141724302
About two months. I can pick out words when I watch anime now, I should look at that comic book I bought when I visited Japan and see what I can pick out there.

>>141747738
Hint: Most Japanese websites are written in Japanese

>>141747621
Using someone else's mining deck is retarded, you might as well just do core 25k or something then.

>>141747975
I want more harder to understand text since I get most stuff I read.

>>141748101
Ok well here is one of my favorites then:
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%B3%E3%83%9A%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B8

There is no shortage of difficult material there.

>>141747621
What is the point? Why not just start a new one?

>>141747621
I'd give you mine just to show you how useless taking someone elses mined deck is but I don't know where I can upload it without signing up for some bullshit

>>141748146
感謝

>>141748344
Np chaika
If you want to jump to difficult stuff without going sciency then 律令制 is a good start.

>>141742529
That happens to me all the time. Firefox crashes multiple times per day. It is really irritating, but I don't want to use any other browser.

>>141747969
>I'm at 63% retention

me too

is that just normal for some people?

>>141748836
Performing poorly at intellectual tasks is normal for stupid people.

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>>141748883
>shoveling through memorization of 2 to 4 thousand unique characters not even considering the vocabulary with memorization of three separate components at the same time for, depending on your goal, anywhere from 20k to 45k cards
>have below 95% retention as a result
>"he can't learn japanese"

>>141748836
I believe everyone has a natural retention percentage. You may be able to increase it by spending more time studying. You could write the words out, look up images on Google, look at example sentences, etc. But then that is a lot of time that could be spent learning new words instead. Learning 63% of 30 words is better than 90% of 20 words.

>>141749393
What I see is people who burn out their working memory easily have extremely strong long term memories, and vice versa. I basically cannot learn information by drilling but I only have to remind myself of it like three times a month apart to know it eidetically, wheras my dad can learn new things by rote in a matter of minutes but can't remember the names of family friends that come around a lot.

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>>141748836
im not doing much better lately, i have to concentrate more i guess
ive been flipping the cards faster that i dont get right instantly, before id spend at least 5-10 seconds on but thats far below a good reading pace

maybe i need to slow it down, i dont know how memory works

>>141749113
No one plans to do that many cards unless they're actually insane. Anki is just for building a foundation, after that its benefits start falling off and you might as well just be reading instead.

Also being below 95 and being below 65 are very different. Going by number of cards missed 65% is about seven times worse, which is a big deal. To put it bluntly, you're probably a fucking idiot if your retention is that low.

>>141749986
423 in 46 minutes?

Try 283 cards in 93 minutes. Then again, every time I saw something interesting or wanted to get a better feel for the context, I would reread the connected sentence. Or I would sometimes look up other words in the sentence that I had forgotten. Or I would write down relearn vocab I was having extra trouble with on paper to make a list of words in particular that I struggle with, etc.

Or maybe 30 cards a day is just too much for me...

>>141749755
Sounds like a shitty coincidence backed with nothing but anecdotal evidence.
I have great retention and there's nothing iffy about my long-term memory at all.

>>141750450
Where did you get the idea I was comparing long term memory to retention?

>>141750391
yeah mines at 15 new words a day which has still gradually ballooned out my reviews since i keep failing matures
my excuse is lately the words are getting very similar definitions and its hard to separate them

>>141750283
or maybe that kind of retention could just be the result of not having familiarity with the kanji? did you do RTK?

>>141750468
The part where you mentioned you can't learn information by drilling. Retention is literally a measure of that, if it's what you want to call working memory.

>>141750517
well, my time is probably bloated because it's a pretty fresh mining deck going at a pace of 30 new cards a day

or maybe I am just stupid after all

>>141750582
Drilling is sitting down and repeating the same information in one sitting. Retention isn't a measure of that at all.

>>141750391
That's quite a while to be spending on Anki. If you feel like it helps you that's great, but you might be better off just memorizing the definitions and ignoring the rest so you can move through the cards quickly and spend that time on reading instead. It's really reading that will teach you the usages and common context of words, and it'll teach you better than the sample sentences in Core.

>>141750738
it's a mining deck, the sentences are captured by rikaisama from reading, which is why i kind of get caught up in rereading them sometimes

>>141750560
Never actually used the RTK book, but I drilled the basic radicals and did around 2 thousand recall/recognition pairs out of a kanji deck. I was trying 20 cards a day out of core2k/6k at the same time before, but it was taking too much time to do both so I prioritized kanji for a couple months. My retention in both of those decks was nearly a hundred though.

I stopped doing new cards out of the kanji deck recently and since then I've been sporadically adding new cards from the anon core 5k frequency deck. Like 100 on some days and 30 or zero on others, amounting to 1330 in the last three weeks, so that variable is probably unreliable in my case.

>>141750630
Retention is by all means a measure of what you learned by drilling. If you want to talk about retention of brand new cards throughout the first sitting, Anki more or less measures that too with the blue bar.

>>141750863
Oh, I see.

What does machoke mean in Japanese?

Like the pokemon.

I was watching a thing where they punned off of it for strong men and I figured machoke was like a play on a Japanese word for buff dude or something.

>>141751012
You seem to be making a critical assumption, anon. I didn't measure retention, and you can't go from drilling to retention in the first place because the only cards that are drilled are new ones and ones that have already been lapsed. Cards that are not new and have not been lapsed are merely reviewed. Retention is not a measure of how good you are at drilling, but a measure of how much you have to / don't have to drill. Besides, Anki doesn't even have a retention stat.