Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1545

おそっ

Anyone know where I can find video game manuals in Japanese?

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Friendly Reminder

How to tell if something is a shitpost:
>calls the community made guide/whatever method a piece of shit with no reasoning given why
>insults someone giving helpful advice with no reasoning given why
>attempts to create arguments over virtually nothing (eg opinions without facts)
>"spam questions" that are easily answered via a 1 second glance at the guide
>uses obtuse Japanese fragments interspersed with English to attempt bypass people trying to filter the shitposts
>any mention of anime being shit, or claiming that X isn't "real Japanese"
>spells the word as romaji

>>141686236
In the 1990s?

>>141686306
For any year.

>>141686236
all PS4 and PS Vita games include digital manuals in the game's launcher

>>141686813
Fuck Misaki

>>141686186
I WILL TRY HARD TO TODAY AND MAKE SURE I HAVE EVERYTHING IN TAE KIM MEMORIZED FUCK

>>141686955
Don't mind if I do

>>141686813
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1463593179646.webm

>>141686765
clean ur room, you filth

>>141686813

まったく役に立たないダメ子だった。

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>>141686256
>that image
悪い

>>141687009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40

Threadly reminder to not fall for the RTK meme.

Threadly reminder to not fall for the vocab only meme.

>>141686256

>"spam questions" that are easily answered via a 1 second glance at the guide

Fuck you. If you think you're so advanced that you think legit questions are "spam" questions then you should fuck off back to 2ch.

>>141687467
He's referring to literal spam questions, posted by one guy over the course of a couple days where he literally copy pasted beginner questions from months ago.

Threadly reminder to not blindly listen to opinionated people on the internet and try shit out for yourself

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>>141687358
>that border
いやだ

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>>141686765
>hey guys, just chilling out here with my unplugged keyboard on my chest... you know... as you do
>did you notice that it has no markings on the keys? epic, right? yeah, i paid hundreds of dollars extra for that because i'm just such a nerd xD
>please tell me what a 1337 haxx0r i am every1!

>>141687655
Not even close to animefag's level

>言葉のまま
>まま
What?

>>141687730
What is your question?

>>141687762
What does the まま mean in this phrase, especially when it's at the beginning of a sentence seperated from the rest of it by an comma.

>>141686306
I think you were pretty funny at least fampai

So I just started here
Grinded on Realkana for a few days
Now I pretty much can spot all the katakana and hiragana
Gonna start going hard on anki when I get home

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>tfw you realize you're fluent

>>141687931
わたしわにっぽん後！

>people actually think sakura is gone
no you idiots he stopped spamming because he won
He spammed so much that people resigned to posting in threads with his garbage OP image

Quick list of trolls that new people shouldn't fall for. Could we add this to the OP?

1: RTK
2: Learning hiragana before romanji
3:Absurd pacing (I totally so 20 words every day guyz xDDD)
4: Avoiding textbooks like Genki
5: Reading as opposed to listening

>>141688017
Sakura OP has been like 1 out of every 6 or so.

>>141688042
Don't try so hard buddy.

>>141688082
>Sakura OP has been like 1 out of every 6 or so.
The fact that it is any of them means that the spammer is still here

>>141688118
Who gives a fuck if he's here if he's stopped spamming

>>141687730
in a dialect

>>141687730
言葉の隨に
繽紛と

why are you guys putting chinese characters into your japanese?

>毎日学校に行かなくてはなりません。
>two negatives of not doing something means that you MUST do something

JAPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

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cute!

So I was doing Anki pretty well for about 2 weeks but then I fell off the wagon for a month. Trying to get back to it today and it's pushing things really far out even if I mark Hard.

Is there a way to fix this somewhere in the settings or am I fucked/have to start over?

>>141688253
your fonts/browser settings are wrong

>>141687148
I'm trying to figure out what the fuck this says.

Literally I'm getting "really, use at sitting damaged child" but I can't figure what this actually means.

I assume it's saying something like "she really was a damaged child" but no idea how to get there from the translation.

>>141688431
Mark as again if you have any trouble with a mature card. That way you can "start fresh" on that card and re-learn it.

日本人になって、どうするんだ？
箸で食べている
布団とカタナを買った
えんかに聴いてる
いつも着物を纏う

でも、まだ日本人じゃない
なにかもあるか？

>>141688517
Thanks. So is basically everything marked mature now because it sat for a month?

>>141688431
>So I was doing Anki pretty well for about 2 weeks but then I fell off the wagon for a month.
Just start over. You can't have gotten very far in 2 weeks anyway.

Examine why you gave up last time and think about what you can do differently this time prevent it from happening again (e.g. if you got discouraged over a poor ability to memorise vocabulary, maybe try doing RTK this time).

>>141688505
>Dis nigger

Hint

役に立つ is an expression

>>141688611
Not him, but no. Mature cards are cards which have an interval of over a month before they are SCHEDULED to be reviewed again.

>>141688611
Yeah. You fucked up, m8.
I've done the same, I stopped doing reps for a month because of school and work obligations, now I need to re-learn tons of cards. I'm putting off finishing the last 300 of those cards right now.

>>141688684
Whoops I misread what you said in this post.
This guy is right:
>>141688667

I somehow skipped over the word 'is'.

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>tfw just learned this word this morning and already remember it
anki is not a meme

>>141688741
What "あ"?

>>141688304
>you can't not go to school
Fucking ENGLISH.

>>141688611
No, but everything where you answer that you still remember it even after a month has passed will turn into a mature card immediately, because the next interval is based on the actual time since the last review, not the scheduled time.

Just fail the cards you don't remember and pass the cards you do, to let the algorithm do its thing.

>>141688781
That's Patrick Bateman showing us his numbers.

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>>141688781
yup

>>141688741
You've begun reading and you didn't know 自転車 yet? Damn, maybe I should start reading then.

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What's the の doing in front of きれいい?

>>141688850
さすがアンキですね

>>141688637
Oh shit, OK so it's "really, a useless and damaged child"?

I'm still guessing that ダメ is short for damage.

>>141688856
just start reading while working on grammar and vocab

>>141688839
Glad to hear it, thanks.

>>141688616
Kanji actually seem to stick with me better than words using them. Not sure what that means for how I should be learning though, but I'm guessing not RTK.

>>141688919
Combine it with the previous line

>>141688919
straight savage

>>141688939
Really nigga?

Not sure if troll but please start using a dictionary or get rikai-kun or some shit

>>141688598
>日本人になって、どうするんだ？
これはおそらく
お前が言いたかったことじゃないよ

>>141688973
Oh I see, thank you

>>141688939
How the fuck can you be on /a/ and not know ダメ

>>141688919

Maybe she's continuing it from the previous bubble?

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>>141688939
>I'm still guessing that ダメ is short for damage
troll or not this made me laugh. thank you anon

>>141689023
>>141689115

Alright, yeah, looking at an alternate form of だめ solved the mystery. I'm a beginner so I ain't never seen an alternate katakana form for hiragana/kanji.

Hey, at least this was helpful to someone. I can only hope someone equally as retarded as me was also helped.

>>141689221
live and learn anon

>>141688304

I still don't understand how "xxx-kya ikenai" somehow translates to "must do no matter what"

I think I'll go ask maggie sensei or something

Guys, are you translating pages sometimes in these threads?

>>141689221
Fair enough, ultra beginner mistakes like that don't even bother me, we were all like that at one point, it's just that you can never tell if someone's a troll or not in this thread

ドンマイ

>>141689294
なきゃいけない
なくてはいけない
ない　＋　くては　＋　いけない

If you don't do it it's bad = You have to do it

Nai is just negative, the kuteha just allows it to connect to ikenai, which means bad or wrong

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>>141689221
Japanese can use whatever script it wants for words, mostly for stylistic reasons. Katakana isn't limited to foreign words, and "Katakana-words" can be written in Hiragana, pic related

>>141688919
I'm more confused as to why she says 方.
Does that make it a comparison to a figurative thing?

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>that one thing that made you take the decision to learn Japanese
What's her name, /a/?

Back in 2011 I was kind of obsessed with Madoka Magica, I wanted to get as much related material as possible (manga, interviews, CD drama, etc.) and the only real way to understand those was to learn Japanese.

>>141689036
すまん
「日本人になるの方は教えてください」いいよ？

>>141689361
no.

>>141689536
I just felt like downloading core one day for shits and giggles. I never really decided that I was going to learn Japanese.

>>141689494
same meaning as バージョン　in this sentence

>>141689536
I'm a socially retarded shut in but I feel like shit if I don't feel like I'm not spending my time productively

Learning a language seemed like the best way to be productive without having to leave my house, and since I was already well on my way to becoming a full blown weeb Japanese seemed like the best language to learn

It worked a charm

>>141689536
There was no one thing, but sitting around waiting for translations in threads definitely influenced me the most.

>>141689448
>which means bad or wrong
It actually means 'must not do' in this context

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>>141689536
got bored. decided i wanted to learn a language and japanese was the one i was most comfortable with
暖かい

>>141689494
Because it's a reference to her misunderstanding of the kanji earlier.

>>141689473
What's that し doing in front of 始めた?

>>141689706
する

>>141689660
Does いけない not just list that as a meaning because it's so often used in the なきゃいけない construction?

>>141689536
A single circle producing stuff I knew would never get translated. Since starting, they've gotten lazy as shit and what used to be 40+ page CG sets I'd buy every time has turned into 10 page shit for the same price.

It's why I'll never do free translation work, because if someone had bothered for the stuff I liked, I probably would have never learned the language.

If I start to have trouble identifying vocab with similar radical combinations in their kanji, I can just do kanji study through RTK or whatever to help with that at any point, right?

It doesn't matter if I've learned 10 thousand vocab or 10 when starting something like RTK, does it?

I'd prefer not wasting time with RTK unless I get to a point where I feel like I have to.

>>141689862
Yeah you can do it whenever. But if you are of average intelligence you will probably never need it. After you're done with core2k you'll start to see a lot of the same kanji repeating, which makes learning them super easy.

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>>141687931
>tfw you realize you can't learn Japanese.

>>141689862
Yes, but at that point you may want to replace the keywords with vocab words you already know, while still following the RTK order

>>141689473
What does the 方 mean here? "In the first place, starting the geofront story is your responsibility/was your idea/was your way of doing things"?
オマエ is supposed to be お前, right?

>>141690003
>お前
yes

The whole sentence is "But YOU where the one who first started talking about the 「Geofront」"

>>141690070
Ah right, katakana for emphasis. And thank you.

>>141690003
方 just indicates one thing in contrast to some other thing

お前の方 means "it was you who blahblahblah" as opposed to everyone else

>>141690003
ほう is used when pointing out one of several alternatives.

In this case, with ほう it is "You were the one who blahblah.. (not us)"

Without ほう it would have simply been a statement without the nuance of comparison to anyone else

>>141689655
It is a very good feeling to know you don't depend on attention whores to get your entertainment.

Of course the price is that even at a good level in Japanese you still need to learn a few words or slang from time to time. But it is much more fun than when I started Core2k for example.

>>141689448
>>141689660

This is what I'm talking about

Which one is it god damn

>>141689536
It's frustrating how many manga translators drop off the face of the internet with their projects unfinished, so that contributes, but the big thing for me is the stuff that will NEVER get translated. What finally got me started learning was the incomprehensible drama cds accumulating on my harddrive when I download anime music collections. I started listening to them without understanding a word and they sound interesting, and if I don't learn I'll never know what they are about.

>>141690351
Either way it means the same thing

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Is DOJG right?

>>141690441
If you want to speak it. No reason to learn how to speak nihongo if you just want to read ero novels

>>141690441
I'll give you some oral practice

>>141689536
I noticed I understood anime without subs so I thought I should maybe try learning the written side too

>>141690542
Production does help immensely with retaining grammar and vocab but it doesn't necessarily have to be spoken

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>>141689652
Similar situation. I'm at the point where, if I wasn't learning Japanese, the only thing I'd be doing is lurking imageboards all day long. I was like that for a long time and most days I wondered to myself why I didn't just die.

Now that I'm doing this, I feel like I have some sort of direction again. I'm not learning Japanese for self-improvement though, that's just a welcome side-effect.

>>141689536
I want to be one of those guys in LN discussion threads

>>141690594
>In this anons head while watching subless anime

Anime- Ching chong chong ching WATASHI chong dongding DESU chong nong PANTSU

Anon- Aah narohodu...

>>141690623
Feels good man

頑張りましょう

>>141690660
But the best LN don't get adapted

>>141690681
That's like 1 month in level. I'm talking after 5 years of anime

>>141690817
普通だろ

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>>141689536
I decided to download Keroro Gunsou again several months ago, or at least all of it anyone ever subbed or uploaded. Then it got me a little interested and I fell down the rabbit hole.

Is it true that 99% of this general is beginners, defeating the point of it (answering others questions)?

Do we have any people here who can read Japanese as or nearly as quickly as English? Reading stuff like Dies Irae or Oretsuba without much trouble?

>>141691185
I'm illiterate but when it comes to the spoken language I'm as good as it gets.

>>141691185
If 99% are beginners they're all lurkers

Usually the majority of posters all seem to be around N2ish kinda level

>>141691185
>Reading stuff like Dies Irae or Oretsuba without much trouble
You are looking at the 0.2% of all japanese second language people there.

There are plenty of N3-N1 posters around but if you need to ask a difficult question, Chiebukuro is maybe a better choice

>>141691419
Why though? Hasn't this general been here for a while now? It appears like the skill level average stayed the same for years.

>>141691522
>skill level average stayed the same for years
Welcome to learning Japanese

How to decide if one's name is to be written in hiragana or kanji?

Example:

"Kotori"
>小鳥
>ことり

>>141691522
Because you don't need the thread anymore once you know how to study japanese.
Staying here only causes those people to defend the method they used while denying all other methods as bad. Most non autists can't be bothered with continuing those arguments and just leave,

>>141691813
It's the parents' choice entirely.

>>141691185
>>141691522
存在理由なんか間違っているんだろうね

>>141691813
By asking the person how their name is written. That's also why business cards are so popular in japan

>>141691813
Depends.

Also, according to scientific evidence (anime and sadpanda), names are written in hiragana on swimsuits and tracksuits of children.

>>141691858
>>141691884
1) So both can be right?
2) So you can't write them interchangeably?

>>141691970
1 yes
2 no


Everyone has an official way of writing their name. You have no way of guessing the correct one without them telling you.

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>>141691970
1) Yes.
2) Yes!

>>141692013
>>141692009
How do you ask, then?
I imagine saying something like "yo whaddup is it hiragana or kanji?" would seem to be disrespectful.

>>141691875
What grammar am I missing to understand this? I'm half way through TK and I don't get it

"The reason for that is [[mistaken/confusing?]] it seems."

>>141692064
Japanese people are born with a very acute form of telepathy that allows them to determine how someone's name is written without having to dishonour themselves by asking such a rude question

>>141692064
You ask them, how their name is written.
And it's not a binary choice between Hiragana and Kanji

Here are valid spellings of the name Sakura:
さくら
サクラ
桜
桜華
娑倉
茶倉
佐鞍
佐倉駅
佐倉
佐蔵
左久良
砂倉
彩久羅
春咲花
茶景
早乙女
桃 (wtf)

>>141692199
>早乙女
the fuck, anyone would read that as saotome

>>141692199
i hate kukai. fucking autist.

>>141692199
>佐倉駅
the fuck, that's the name of a railway station for sure

>>141692386
uh, yeah it is

>>141689448

> If you can't do it it's bad

This is actually a pretty good explanation which finally lets understand these kind of sentences. I don't think there will be any more confusion if I keep it in mind next time.

I'm going to assume it's the same with nakereba ikenai.

>>141692451
Yeah just with the ば conditional instead of くては

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did someone mention Japanese names

>>141692950
No go away

>>141692950
>虎王
>らいおんきんぐ

>心
>はあと

>星の玉子様

Hahahahaha.

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>>141692950
四天王の田中、勝負をしかけてきた！

>>141693047
Another one I missed：

>箱女
>ぱんどら

Anyone here experiment with nootropics? Any help with focus, memory etc?

>>141693114
>>141693047

wait so how often do kids get stuck with stupid names like these there?

Or is it just their celebs doing it like western ones naming their kids stupid shit like Pilot Inspektor?

西部劇

やっぱり銃はリボルバーだよにゃー

>>141693114

>>141693114

What's wrong with Pandora? Also Lion King sounds badass.

>>141693635
Pandora's Box

Not on the same level as motherfucking raionkingu though

>>141693635
I actually like Pandora, especially spelled that way. Lion King is not an actual name though, it sounds silly.

>>141692950
Is this some "teacher photographs his students' names cause there are so many retarded ones" kinda thing or is this normal in Japan nowadays?

>>141693732
Why wouldn't it be common practice? Exchange students in animay always write their names on the board when they introduce themselves, so clearly spelling is often an issue.

It definitely seems to be a thing:
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2013/08/23/new-wave-of-creative-japanese-names-read-more-like-riddles/

> In an online survey sampling 500 regular students in their teens and twenties, it was discovered that approximately 44.8 percent of students go to school with someone with a kirakira name. Nearly one-third actually share a class with that person.

more articles:
http://akihabaranews.com/2013/08/12/article-en/kira-kira-names-shiny-names-kids-chagrin-many-japan-1701127852


http://cotoacademy.com/blog/japanese-study/japanese-kira-kira-names/

>>141693635
>ほいらいおんきんぐ君！ゲセンいってみない？
>らいおんきんぐさん、提出要請書を忘れないでください
>らいおんきんぐ氏は女子小校生にわいせつな行為の疑いで逮捕されました

Pffff, like anyone could take you seriously in life when your name is Lion Kingu

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おはようおにいちゃん

>>141693616
じゅうよりレールガンだよ

>>141693635
訳語は
パンドラの匣・パンドラの箱
だよ。どっちの漢字を当てるのかは訳者によるよ

When I get a cute daughter she's gonna be known as 愛生子 - ラブライバー

>>141694168
When I get a cute daughter she's gonna be known as 肉オナホール

>>141694316
Lewd

>>141694079
>じゅうよりレールガンだよ
This is my new motto for life

>>141689536
I wanted to learn a new language, and most of the foreign media I want to read is Japanese.

>>141693047
>星の玉子様
児童福祉に通報できそうなほひどい名前

What is the grammar pattern being used in sentences like：

言うだけ言ってみようか
やるだけやってみようか

From context it seems to mean something like "although it may not be helpful, it can't hurt so let's at least try [verb]," but I'd like to read an actual explanation.

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thank you ジャパン for furigana

>>141694993
Just knowing できるだけ should be enough to figure it out t b h

>>141695056
I thought だけ could only be used like that after the potential form of a verb...

>>141695104
It depends what you mean by "like that"

だけ emphasizes extent.

Usually it emphasizes a small extent like in 少しだけ

but it can also emphasize to the other side like in アレだけの力をその小柄な身体で発揮できるだなんて

but even if you consider these separate pretty much everything else is just a small variation of those two

>>141693908
>愛猫 - きてぃ - Kitty

Man I'd fucking hate to have てぃ in my name

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>>141694993
Here you go

>>141693908
Foreigners will surely find names like Tomorrow and Rhythm easy to relate to.

>>141695589
I didn't even bother to check DOAJG. Sorry for making a dumb post.

>>141688304

The use of double negatives is not uncommon in languages.

>>141695054
It is a blessing and a curse. Be careful.

>>141695784
>DOAJG
and people try to argue that DOAJG is actually full of "advanced" grammar

>>141694993
I still don't understand what these mean

Let's see what happens when Verbing as hard as I can?

>>141696144
Dake has a ton of uses and variations of it are included in every dojg. You don't know shit

>>141693908

That is pretty bad. My wife's lists of student names at her uni aren't nearly as bad. Perhaps it is just that those poor kids with really ridiculous, contrived name just tend not to make it to uni.

The worst I ever personally saw was the name of one poor girl: 煙草. Yes, tobacco. In her case, at least, her father was a farmer.

>>141695589

Ah. The [verb]だけ is functioning as a adverbial phrase.

>>141693908
>大穴 - だいあな - Diana
I want to meet the man that named his daughter 大穴

>>141692950
にゃあ
gg

>>141696450

That's all their daughters' names after I meet them, son.

>>141687816
Mama is state, as in current state. As anon is currently in a state of retardation for believing anyone in djt knows Japanese

>>141696296
I think you missed the point

>>141688304
English dies that too senpai, wait til you get triple negatives or more

>>141696698
The funny thing is that probably isn't what it means there, but it's not like he gave much context

Hint: 仰せのままに

My decks are acting up. I did reviews yesterday around this time but apparently they were counted as two days ago reviews instead. What gives?

>>141696698

We have a few posters here who have proven themselves fairly knowledgeable, but for the most part, yes, this is more of a support group.

At least this place isn't full of alcoholics and chain-smokers.

>>141696791
Isnt that the same まま as in 儘? Or am i just retarded?

>>141696791

Holy balls, that phrase actually has an entry in the Japanese Wikipedia with a fair amount of detail:

https://ja.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%99%9B%E4%B8%8B%E3%81%AE%E4%BB%B0%E3%81%9B%E3%81%AE%E3%81%BE%E3%81%BE%E3%81%AB

>>141696908
I was trying to be funny, i was serious with my reply.

>>141696964

Yeeesss... but I've never actually seen the kanji used in the wild. Exactly the same word, however.

>>141696964
They are all the same Japanese word, but one Japanese word can have multiple English definitions. It's the type of thing where if you think about it the right way you can kinda see how they are the same, but if you're trying to give a translation you gotta be more careful

>>141696994
>Holy balls
>>>/rlearnjapanese/

Is there a way to get anki to show me all of the cards that are flagged as duplicates? Or am I just retarded?

>>141697039
Me neither, i just wanted to make the distinction.

>>141696994
go back where you come from newfag

>tfw better than everyone in this thread at Japanese

>>141697143
俺もにほｎ
一生ににほｎをいいましょう

>>141697143
I think you've made it pretty clear your Japanese is shit, Jamal

>>141696996
That's a strict world you live in where JLPT N1 isn't enough for warranting "knowing Japanse"

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A lot of people come in here whining about laziness and whatnot, but shit dude, that's your personal problem. That's you being spineless, or weak. Grow up! Read Yotsuba and hanahira a second time if need be. Get a clue. Laziness doesn't have a cure. It's all in your head. You just have to buckle up. And if you can't, get out of here! You're done.

It's time to get out the Grammar Hammer and nail those little bastards down.

>Should I ever bother to learn the world "fuss"? I heard that most people just use "bother" to say the same thing.

I felt like that yesterday.

I read anyways.

I struggled the entire time, failing to recognize words that I know and having trouble wrapping my head around several sentences.

However, by the end of it, I still committed several new words to my vocabulary.

Go read!

>>141697173
>capitalized Japanese
>Jamal
come on

>>141697175
I meant serious with the definition of まま, not the joke obviously.

>>141697175
That's a delusional world you live in where N1 (equivalent of C1 level? Oh wait, C1 places a bunch of importance on speaking and writing ability while N1 doesn't test those. So more like 1/4th of C1) is enough to warrant "knowing japanese"

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>learning Greek mythology from a Japanese visual novel
Hell yeah.

>>141697253
>being able to fluently communicate with natives per chat
>not considered knowing their language
Strict world man

>>141697320
>being able to fluently communicate with natives per chat
Why would you think N1 means you are able to do that?

>>141697253
n1 is c2 by the intention but yeah 50%ish passers are like c0.5~1.5 level instead

>>141697253
>Aces N1 180/180
>Able to recall thousands of kanji immediately
>Knows tens of thousands of vocab
>Can read most native material naturally
>Can understand TV shows and news
Yup, doesn't know Japanese at all. Total beginner.

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>>141697534
>Can understand with ease virtually everything heard or read.
>Can summarize information from different spoken and written sources, reconstructing arguments and accounts in a coherent presentation.
>Can express themselves spontaneously, very fluently and precisely, differentiating finer shades of meaning even in the most complex situations.

You think N1 is this? Seriously?

Look at the JCAT ranking. I would put C2 at around 350 and C1 at 380

>>141697620
try reading what I actually said and not what you think I was trying to say

>>141697614
>A implies B
>A implies C
>Therefore B implies C
Given how bad you are at logic, you are almost certainly lying.

>>141697620
>I would put C2 at around 350 and C1 at 380
Haha holy shit kill yourself senpai

At least take jcat yourself before acting like a retard

>>141697662
Maybe try saying something that you didn't pull out of your ass. There's no reason to think that N1 is C2 level by intention, and the 50% passers are certainly not C1

>I would put C2 at around 350 and C1 at 380
Clearly I had C2 and C1 backwards here though.

>>141697730
I got a better score than you.

Why are you guys such assholes to anyone new or asking questions?

>being able to read a book in german doesnt mean you know german!

Who fucking cares about this shit the only reason anyone here is learning Japanese is to consume degenerate weeb media.

>>141697814
The thread only exists to keep the guide bumped so it doesn't disappear. If your question is not answered in the guide, then it's a dumb question.

>>141697735
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-Language_Proficiency_Test#Test_format
looks like c2 to me

>>141697836
That's pretty rude.

>>141697814

>>141688919
>>141689494
>>141689706
>>141689294
>>141690003
Look at all the unhelpful assholes replying to these poor beginners

>>141697735
>the 50% passers are certainly not C1
He didn't say 'the 50% passers'.

>>141697838
The description of C2 basically sounds like being Native level to me. Both C1 and C2 are essentially "proficient" so it is arguable I suppose.

>Can understand with ease virtually everything heard or read.
The "with ease" is pretty significant in my opinion.

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>>141697833
theres more to japan than just anime my friend

>>141697898
No, what's rude is asking a question that's not in the Guide, which implies that the Guide is inadequate or incomplete. The Guide was written through over a thousand years by the greatest Japanese linguists on the finest grade Japanese paper which was folded a million times into every origami shape known to man. And then it was sanctified by The God Emperor Heisig's own sperm as he ejaculated onto the scared scriptures.

>>141697984
VN and Eroge?

>>141697978
if you compare the additions in each higher level between the two systems it's pretty clear cefr is increasing in the same steps as jlpt

in any case you're dramatically overestimating cefr, where most esl c2s don't know the difference between 'a power of X' and 'to the power of X' (I shit you not)

>>141698025
VapeNaysh?

>>141698012
Yeah but what that mouth do tho

>>141698118
forgot to say to start at n3 and b2

>>141698118
>the difference between 'a power of X' and 'to the power of X' (I shit you not)
WTF, these are different!?

>>141698118
>(I shit you not)
Not that surprising in my opinion

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>>141698279

>>141698118
I think it's got more to do with not being familiar with the English terms for exponential calculation in general. If you explain one concept to someone and then ask them what they think the other means they'll probably figure it out on their own.

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Tell me /a/, will she?

>>141698347
not really, peope who program and speak nearly flawless conversational english and have germanic mother tongues frequently don't realize there should be a difference. the issue is english's genitive's attributive vs descriptive gap plus alignment with the type of phrase. something an actual native speaker will have no trouble with, but which is conceptually complex enough that it cannot straightforwardly be taught or intuitively explained, yet will st8ll be picked up if the learner has enough non-literary exposure to the language

>>141698550
I believe you officially reach fluency around the 5th chapter of Genki I, and native level by the end of the book.

>>141698118
>a power of X
This is definitely X^n

>to the power of X
But what does this mean?

The idea that there is some distinctive line between "knowing" and "not knowing" a language, and that it is determined by some test, is sort of a meaningless idea. It's also meaningless to argue over whether someone else "knows" Japanese. At any rate, I hope you guys aren't studying Japanese just because you want a gold star sticker from some test-making corporation.

>>141698690
n^X
see the problem?

>>141698745
That makes sense. It's a bit confusing seeing them next to each other.

>>141698813
behold
n raised to the 4th power is m
the 4th power of n is m
m is a power of n
m is n to the power of 4

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holy shit man

>>141698958
nanshieno

>>141698745
>>141698901
The reason the second one was confusing because in the first example the base was defined as X, so you kind of expect that in the second example X is the base too.
Of course, that would not make sense, because there is no such thing as "_the_ power of X" (when X is the base), that is, using a definite article, since X can have any number of powers. So, it felt ungrammatical as you either expected the indefinite version "a power of X", or something like "the nth power of X".

I think it wouldn't have confused me if you used a different letter, like "to the power of n".

>>141698958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXcx0VYZ75E

With terrible English subtitles for extra punishment

>>141699103
neurons are fickle
the more you introspect the better you get at using the right models subconsciously

>try to open zips from resources
>errors and can't open them

>>141699217
use bsdtar

毎日の英語スレッドへようこそ

>>141699271
okaeri

>>141699298
ittadakimasu

>>141698118
Here in math land we just say "x to the n" or "something to the x"

>>141699579
n to x
but all the other variations show up in speech ang text outside the scene

>>141699217
what kind of error?

>>141698118
>in any case you're dramatically overestimating cefr, where most esl c2s don't know the difference between 'a power of X' and 'to the power of X' (I shit you not)

Also, ignoring how good or bad an example this is, you are here talking about the actual skill of the people who take the test, while on the other hand seeming to be thinking of some idealized student taking N1. You have to either take the actual students in both, or the ideal student of both.

You have to consider that for each C2 who doesn't know the difference between those two, there is a chinese passing N1 without being able to hold a basic conversation in Japanese.

Also, I could easily pass N1 and don't even remember how to say things like "cube root" or "polynomial" in Japanese.

>>141699701
wew
lots of assumption here

>>141699673
it says it's corrupted

>>141699701
>there is a chinese passing N1
Delicious answersheet leaks.

>>141699740
If you don't have anything to say you can just not post.

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Am I doing something wrong to have this much red? I see faggots here with virtually no red and >90% correct radios. I'm doing about 30 cards a day, maybe that's why?

Should I stay at this rate for a few weeks to see if it gets better?

>>141699782
maybe you should try saying that to yourself

your post is based around an assumption of what I meant and not what I said

>>141697687
Define A,B,and C here, or you are strawmanning.

>>141699785
If you haven't done any kanji or radical study, it's natural to have a hard time at start.

Does someone knows how one can download all the picture?

facebook com/learn.japanese.from.pictures/?fref=photo

There are a couple of nice books on this site

>>141699910
so I'm fine just sticking with it and enduring even with that kind of failure rate?

>>141699863
A: Everything in your post >>141697614 taken together
B: Able to pass N1
C: knows Japanese

>>141699835
If you're constantly "misunderstood" maybe you should look inward.

>>141699979

since you're being that way here's what I've actually said

n1
intent: c2-like
c2: general fluency. missing rules permitted (not the nearnative benchmark you assumed)
reality: 50% of passed takers are near c1 instead

now in what way could your literal stated "seemings" from that be my fault

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Just started the Core deck.
Do I have to pay attention to the sentence structure and everything from day 1, or does it not matter until later on?

Should I just focus on the vocabulary for now before worrying about the grammar/sentence?

>>141700081
oh boy

>>141699979
Yup, strawmanning hard as fuck.
A implies C. Period.

>>141700049
Great so I understood you perfectly. Now take your head out of your ass and reread >>141699701
again.

>>141700081
You don't learn grammar from core, you only need to remember the word.
Honestly I don't even recommend having stuff like example sentence or images in vocab decks.

>>141700113
maybe once you learn english grammar

>>141700097
Holy crap you are so fucking dumb if you think I was disagreeing with "A implies C"

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>>141700081
oh the memories

Have you guys tried Memrise?
almost the same as Anki but it's already made and it's free

>>141700141
in case you didn't notice b is a precondition of a

he wasn't saying b->c

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>>141700117
>>141700089
>>141700166
I always pay attention to the sentences in the deck.
I know it doesn't teach grammar, but it gives me a better understanding of it, I guess. I like to see where the word ends up in the sentence.
I was just wondering, that's all.

..did I do something wrong?

>>141700202
The entire argument, the entire time, was about b->c. There was no reason for him to post otherwise.

>>141700238
just learn japanese

>>141700238
>..did I do something wrong?
Yes, it's literally impossible to learn Japanese if you read the example sentences.

>>141700254
not everyone is an argumentative autist like you
people say what they say, not what is appeopriate

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>>141700193
yup. didn't like it that much

>>141700286
I never said I was going to learn Japanese using just the example sentences.
>>141700255
I-I am... right?

>>141700300
He's literally the one who started the argument

>not everyone is an argumentative autist like you
Nice, a bogeyman and a startling lack of self awareness in one sentence. From the tone of his post he was clearly trying to make a point, trying to pretend he was just posting for fun only makes you look dumb.

>>141700349
just

>>141700354
>He's literally the one who started the argument
this is an anonymous message board

nobody is anything, there are only posts

>>141700193
>already made and it's free
Anki is as also already made and free.

>>141700354
>bogeyman
Learn english grammar. "An argamentative autist" is not "the".

>>141700238
Just stop using the stupid images and use the sentences to see how a word is used in context. Don't focus on them.

>>141700354
>trying to pretend he was just posting for fun only makes you look dumb.
everyone only posts for fun here senpai

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>>141700368
Okay I seriously don't see what the problem is.
Let's just be real here.
I'm using Tae Kim to learn the grammar, I already know the Hiragana and Katakana, and I'm using the Core deck to learn some vocabulary.

All I'm wondering is if the sentences help any, if they give me a better understand on how the grammar works.

i'm sorry.

>>141700141
Obviously, B -> A -> C.

So you are either retarded or you were strawmanning. Perhaps considering the latter is giving you too much credit.

You are retarded and autistic. You're making the idiotic mistake of considering "knowing" a binary property.

>>141700523
learn

>>141700468
Whatever when a post is just buzzwords and no content it isn't really worth reading properly

>>141700541
inb4 he reads those as implication arrows

>>141700541
Please define strawman for me.
>Obviously passing N1 implies you got a 180 on N1 and more
Oh wait never mind. Found the troll.

>>141700606
My original post:
>>141697614
>Aces N1 180/180

>>141700562
>needing to read a post "properly" to recognize an obvious grammatical structure
autism

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>>141700587

>>141700523
If you can't understand the sentences and can still get some new grammar out of them you are either very new or retarded. Take your pick.

>>141700606
called it
>>141700587

>>141700636
>literal actual legir

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>>141689536
I learned the baby Kana four years ago. If only I kept learning, then I might not have needed horrible localizations or subs by now. Going to start again from zero, it hurts.

>>141700667
I guess I'm new, then. I have no problems admitting that.

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It's reps time again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGNuJt1K45A

>>141700633
Great how is your post actually relevant to the conversation and what makes you think anybody was arguing about whether someone with those qualifications knows Japanese?

Also why are you on DJT if you could get a 180 on the N1?

>>141700703
Now delete the horrible pictures and don't focus on the sentences too much. That's all for now.

>>141700747
but i like the pictures.

>>141700703
japanese
just learn japanese
as long as you don't literally not do vocab and reading you won't not learn japanesr

the specifics are up to you, just don't try to hyperoptimize or stress yourself out

>>141700784
You might as well make a picture deck then.

>>141689536
I've been collecting untranslated stuff for years, hoping to be able to read them once. Slayers was my favorite animu, so I downloaded the LNs. I also loved Kimi ga nozomu eien and wanted to play the VN. Those have been sitting on my hard drive for 10 years or so.

Funny thing is, I haven't even touched those that originally drove me to learn the language. I read about a dozen VNs by now and could easily read those two, but I kept finding things that seemed more interesting and played/read those instead.

>>141699217
It's a mega error, you have to try again or use jdownloader

ITT: butthurt idiots who don't like it when someone knows more Japanese than them

>>141701035
お前が例外とでもいうのか

>>141701035
itt: passive-aggressive retroactively deniable strawmanning

>>141700523
Yes, the sentences help, that's why they're there. To show you the word in a context it's typically used it. That said you don't need to read them, they're just an extra something to look at if you want. がんばって

>>141701093
当たり前だろう。私は他の人が上手な日本語を使用できると言うと全然ヤキモチを感じなくて他の人のための喜びだけを感じる。私はバカヤキモチ家じゃないんだからさ。

>>141701335
im sub-n5 and i can read this post with ease write harder

>>141701370
Really because it seems like you haven't understood the content much desu

>>141701420
no i just want more challenge from nihongo masutaa

>>141700707
Hahaha underrated post

Can I use kanji in my name when I go to Japan? I am thinking of using something like 水火王 but I don't know what readings to use in this situation. I am Taiwanese if it makes a difference.
Sorry if this is stupid question.

>>141701551
kyououkaiko (now big ___ child)

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>>141700707
i should have never done anki with the images on

>>141701335
なるほど
俺はお前ほど強くないから
自分が劣っていることがあればすぐ引け目を感じてまさに一触即発

しかし、お前のようになりたいかというとけっしてそうではない

なぜなら俺はその悔しさ、その劣等感を糧にして自分を高めようとするからだ
その競争心をいかしてここまできたのだから

>>141700707
>tfw I've been reading VNs for at least 3 years, but I still only understand 60-70% of anime dialogue

>>141701592
Does the kanji 水火 have reading of きょうおう?

>>141701693
no i just have no ime

>>141701671
バカだな。おまえは

>>141701759
どーしてそんなひどいこというのー、おにいちゃん

熊に山椒 鯉に胡椒

>>141701712
I don't understand this. I have wrote the same in hiragana.

>相続に関しては、死亡が先か婚姻届が先かで事情が全く違います
How would you translate が先か...が先か?
Is it like 'which came first'?
Like this for example http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/%E9%B6%8F%E3%81%8C%E5%85%88%E3%81%8B%E5%8D%B5%E3%81%8C%E5%85%88%E3%81%8B%E3%81%A8%E3%81%84%E3%81%86%E5%95%8F%E9%A1%8C

>>141701551
Of course. It's better to take a Japanese name when you go to Japan since they can't say western names.
For me, I went by the name of 中田 鹿見佐間　（なかだ　しかみさま)

>>141701808
Is this supposed to be some gay ass pun because of 湖

>>141701858
Yeah I went with 天災・兵戈 (てんさい・へいか) myself.

>>141701858
Yes this is why I want to use 水火 as name. How did you know which reading to use?

>>141701951
>not waresama tenshin

>>141701035
叩頭しろ

>>141702053
How is that different from 土下座?

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Post rep music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDApCrXvrI0

>>141702168
CHEN WA KAWAII O CHEN
CHEN WO KAITAI

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>>141699785

I'm at that level of red too and I haven't been doing this very long. Some days I feel retarded, but it might be because I'm also learning to write each word by hand for each card as well. I'd say just keep at it. I started sometimes doing a custom study to review due cards separate from new ones, and that seemed to help speed things up some more at least.