What is the lamest weapon and why is it the katana? An honorable

Comically oversized war-hammer.

it was made by people with cancer, that's why

chainsaw

Firearms

>>141311682
AR-15
Yea, if might be pretty practical, but I think they all look pretty ugly.

>>141311682
SA80

>>141311682
scythe can actually be a functioning makeshift weapon if you turn the blade to make it look more like naginata.

>>141311682
Yo-yos

>>141311682
Knives
>muh AGI
>muh DEX

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anything that is dual wielded

>>141314110
Even fists?

>>141311682
staff are beta

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>>141313534

>>141313311
this /thread

checked

>>141313588
>scythe can actually be a functioning makeshift weapon if you turn it into something that's not a scythe

>>141314146
>only striking with two fists
step up your game anon

>>141315704
Bruh, many medieval weapons (especially polearms) are refurnished gardening and farming tools adapted and reinforced for use in battle. That's what happens when most soldiers are peasant levies: they use what they're familliar with and adapt it for battlefield use.

That's also why swords were associated with the nobility: an axe could be used for woodcutting, polearms were modified farming implements, huntsmen would've owned bows and arrows and maces are just fancy clubs. But only a sword was deemed a noble weapon because it existed specifically as a wartime tool and nothing else. And even then knights and samurai alike used it as a side arm, preferring lances (or bows for samurai in certain periods).

>>141311682
KATANAH?

>scythe
>weapon

Been playin too many vidya OP. Scythes are farm tools, only ever used as an improvised weapon at best.

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>>141311682
1. Katana
2. Scythe
3. Flamethrower
4. Claws
5. Dual Handguns

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>>141311682
Hooks.

>>141316011
>Dual Handguns
held sideways

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>>141316011
>Flamethrower
Why?

>>141314110
S2 when?

>>141311682
The katana is good at what it's supposed to do, which is slicing through lowly armored targets, and being a good-looking ceremonial weapon.

no need to hate something because rabid fanboys smear shit all over it

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I mean, it's appropriate that a shit girl has such a shit weapon, but still.

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>>141314110
>>141316157

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>>141314110
>Hurr durr, oh no people go pokey pokey better grab muh sheidl

That's you

>>141311682

The katana is so fucking overused.

I'd like to see Malay weapons or weapon styles like the kris, karambit or kali in my chinese cartoons.

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YOU TAKE THAT BACK OP!!! GLORIOUS NIPPON STEEL THAT HAS BEEN FOLDED 1000 TIMES IS UNBEATABLE AMONG ANY MELEE WEAPON!!

>>141316786
fuck off mudshit
your country is irrelevant

>>141311682
>Scythes

Please, fag. They may be unpractical but they're still awesome in look and such. Stick your shitty western whatever sword up your fat, diluted ass.

>>141311682
Scythe is a farmers tool. Not a weapon you fucking weeaboo.

>>141315955
And have been used as an improvised weapon over the ages

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medieval european sword

>>141317535
I want to fuck Cecilia so mercilessly and roughly.

Both my mom and my sister have her name ; ;

>>141316263
Never her VA and coke baby are in japanese jail, unless there was some sort of update to the case.

>>141318209
You know your mission anon.

katars are pretty fucking dumb. Who the fuck ever uses katars?

>>141317531
You got it wrong, retard.

>>141318405
Samurais in meiji period

>>141311682
The bow and arrow
Something about the way the Japanese use it and shit makes it look just stupid

Chains. Especially with any kind of specialized item at the very end of them.

God those are dumb as shit.

>>141311774
I like those though, fantasy aspect about them is great, like the dwarven warhammers and what not.

>>141315704
>what are warscythes

>>141316196
People here seem to confuse "lame" with "impractical".
But then again, lame is just taste.

>>141318918
>Especially with any kind of specialized item at the very end of them.
Flails could be usefull.

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any answer besides nunchucks is wrong

>>141311682
Throwing shurikens.
Sure, it looks neat in cartoons, but in real life it barely does shit.

>>141311682
am I the only one who wants a main character to have something a little out of the box? like a giant meat cleaver as a weapon?

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>>141314110
>not liking dual - wield hammers
Shit taste desu.

>>141311774
hardly see anyone but starter antagonists that are first to die to the protagonist in the first couple of episodes with giant warhammers.

>>141320043
>nunchucks
Name one character other than Michleangelo that uses nunchucks for non - satrical purposes.

>>141311682
What about whips?

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>>141317535
>There are people who legitimately think katanas do this.

>>141319052
>Not scythes

>>141311682
Cecilly Campbell

>>141317705
No, they haven't. You're better off grabbing a branch off a tree than using a scythe.

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>>141311682
It's not the weapon but the one who wields it. Read Vagabond if you wanna see good katana action.

>>141320400
>Molten and poured iron swords getting cut in half

I wouldn't be surprised if you can make a sword shitty enough that a katana actually is able to do this.

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>>141320400
They don't. They DO do this.

>>141320795
NEW CHAPTER NEVER

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>>141320129
Germany delivers.

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>>141320231
none. thats why no one uses them retard. theyre lame.

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>>141320960
Don't rush Inoue. He's a fucking artist. We can wait. Be patient.

>>141317886
Fuck you,I own a Anderthalbhänder,they are amazing

>>141320923
That wouldn't work even if the sword was made out of wood or even softer materials.

>>141317886
any sword weapon are for edgelords.
Guns is the only solution

>>141320795
Katana could cut other katana, given a skilled wielder behind that cut, but i don't think they have enough strength as a blade to cut any other kind of sword.

>>141311682
elemental sword

>>141320471
>Turn scythe blade 90 degrees to make it a more effective weapon
>Instantly stops being a scythe

k

Halberds, with a huge blunt axehead

Can we all agree that polearms are the best?

>>141311682
>An honorable mention place goes to the scythe.
Have your taste buds checked

Can we all agree that the rapier is the cutest sword?

>>141321584
Realistically that'd only happen if it was a good enough blade wielded by a good enough swordsmen against someone who was using a really beat up katana that's on the verge of breaking.
Regardless, you wouldn't want to focus on wailing on an opponent's sword until it breaks but parrying his attacks and going in for the kill.
Either that or dodge and counterattack.

>>141319885
>impractical
>flamethrower
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/chinese-special-forces-use-flamethrower-6886860
>Muslim terrorist hiding in cave (some things never change)
>Wont leave with tear gas
>Just get a flamethrower
>Everyone runs out and gets shot
Based China.

>>141311682
FAMAS

You'd have to be autistic as fuck to consider wearing plate / chainmail.

>>141311682
Katanas are slashing weapons, so by definition, they are shit against anythign that isn't flesh

also ading throwing knives and generaly anythinf involving cables, graplers, or anything that hangs from a chain

>>141315815

i could understand using a sycthe as a weapon if you came under attack by some fucking wheat

>>141316436
Using a weapon two-handed is perfectly acceptable, but dual wielding is stupid.

>>141324146
>Not wearing full plate

Nigger do you even armor?

Is a club/hammer the most effective weapon?
>they dont have armour
You break bones and an crack/crush skull

>they have armour
You disorientate them with head blows, strikes may cave in the armour causing intense pain and possibly trapping the enemy in that section.

>>141324975
>What is a Mordaxt?

>>141324975
They don't seem like they have very long range. How would you counter a spear with a hammer?

>>141324975
You suffer an extreme lack of reach and are much easier to read and counter due to how much force you need to put behind your blows. Your control over your strikes is also somewhat limited. Every weapon has advantages and disadvantages.

>>141311682
Any kind of strings weapon. Those are shit and gay.

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Great Sword a best

>>141325052
>>141325072
Range was the only thing I could really think of which is why I've always liked the idea of spears.

I've always wondered if there was any type of soldier who would use some form of bladed gauntlet so they could use their hands to grab weapons disarming the opponent to make them an easy kill.

Scythe looks cool at least.

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Find a flaw
Protip:you can

>>141325272
You can grab your opponents weapons with regular gauntlets, leather gloves, or even your bare hands if you know how to do it properly. Most weapons are not sharpened to a razor point.

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>>141325334
It's not a Franziska.

>>141325117
>hating on bows and crossbows
I'll see you at Agincourt.

>>141320030
hes probably talking more about people who use 20 foot long chains with spikes at the end

>>141325344
Yeah I meant the grabber has a blade or spike on the gauntlet so they don't sacrifice stabbing potential but can focus on grappling because they arnt holding anything. If there was a small buckler build into the forearm section of the gauntlet it seems like it may be a pretty effective weapon.

Death row inmates should be used to test these theories in some form of experimental gladiator format.

>>141325428
I was talking about that invisible strings kind of weapon. You know, like the one that butler dude from Hellsing used.

>>141325516
Oh okay. Carry on then.

>>141325516
This are literally the worse unless its a fucking spider since that is their natural weapon.

>>141322246
Blade broke a lot in battle, dude, this is why sword are never fought like in movie/series, because it will just broke the blade and turn itself in a strange blunt weapon.

>>141325667
>Are there actually any notable characters who use one

That one guy in pumpkin scissors. To bad he dies after like three or so chapters.

>>141325480
Plenty of gauntlets had little metal nubs on them called gadlings. I think they probably stayed away from actual blades or spikes since they aren't particularly more deadly than a gauntlet by itself and likely were easy to pull off or be used by an opponent to grapple you.

A buckler built into your armor wouldn't be particularly useful, since it doesn't protect you much more than plate armor will. Moreover, bucklers are mostly a parry tool, to be held in the offhand to deflect incoming blows, not actually a proper shield.

>>141325667
Sadly I can't help you, anon. Good luck though.
My brother taught me how to shoot his longbow. That was cool.

>>141311682
I through scythes were so cool in my youth. It might just be why I picked up SE.
Katana has always been cancer though. Unlike a scythe which is effectively fictional (as far as its use as a weapon [inb4 muh weirdo peasant war scythe]), katanas exist and sucked in real life.

>>141325756
Good point with the blades, I hadn't thought of that!

With the buckler I more meant a larger surface to catch a blade and throw it off course since catching a full force strike could very well break your hand.

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>>141311682
>honorable mention goes to the scythe.
Fuck you.

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Who /spear/ here?
Who /shield/ here?

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>>141326016
Form the wall brother!


>>141326005
>Bet u didn evn kno that
Gets me every time.

>>141316786
>kris,karambit
>malay

>>141326281
>acknowledging indos

>>141311682
>2016
>still being mad about katanas in anime
baka

>>141311682
folded over 9000 times!

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>>141311682
>dual wielding
>different element sword in each hand

>>141324975
The most effective weapons are always some heavy and unhandy stuff you wouldn't bring with you unless you're going straight into the battlefield, like a halberd or a fucking zweihander. What I'm always wondering about is this:

What would be the best weapon to carry around when adventuring?

Regular arming sword is an obvious candidate, being cheap to replace, very light and suitable for all kinds of situations. Longsword has longer reach and is just as flexible given you know how to use it, but it's heavier and may require two hands to use effectively, meaning no shield or torch.
Then there's axe which can double as tool, and perhaps some kind of machete or knife like a kukri, but I'd carry one of those with me regardless.
And then, what about ranged weapons?

>>141326810
>Javelins and shield and a short sword/knife

Can play the stabby game in pretty much all quarters and even throw shit at enemies.
And a blade for misc stuff.

>>141326810
>The most effective weapons
>Zwei
Here we go.

The answer has always been spear, shield with an additional dagger/short. They perfected this long ago. Learn.

If you want utility replace the short/dagger with a machette. Anything else is wrong.

>and then what about ranged weapons
How broadly are defining that? How replaceable do you need them to be?

If you're adventuring and not a solider you'd be fine with a leather strap and some fucking rocks assuming you had the above equipment. You said you wanted to travel light.

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>>141326912
>Javelins and shield and a short sword/knife
>>141326949
>spear, shield with an additional dagger/short

>>141324657
>dual wielding is stupid
Ahem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EKpnpE0xhU

>>141311682
The sai (釵)

>>141327108
>duelist shit
>real fighting
Dual wielding isn't shit like modern karate isn't a sport

>>141316196
Wind?

>>141320231
>satrical

Kurapika you fucking neckbeard

>>141326949
>spear
I always imagine adventurer with a spear as this one faggot who can't walk into a tavern without making a fuss because his weapon has two meters, sneering "1v1 me fgt" at everyone and then getting shanked in a narrow street. I bet you also drink water instead of soft drinks.

>>141311682
>Katana
Literally an ornament
>Scythe
Literally a farm tool

Confirmed shit

>>141327186
Dual wielding was used, but wasn't as common as sword/mace/spear and shield, however it wasn't using 2 swords as it is commonly thought of. When dualwielding it was usually using a dagger and a sword, parrying with the sword and shortening distance to use the dagger, it still was stupid cause you had a less steady grip with both of your weapons

>>141320998
>This good taste in swords

I like you anon

>>141327434
>shanked up close
>what is drop spear use short
I do drink mostly water but because I'm a poorfag

>>141327186
>>141327108
That doesn't even count, the dagger isn't used as the primary weapon, it's used as a parry tool. I'm talking about people using two weapons and favoring/attacking with both relatively equally.

>>141327108
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc8akxwI56s

>>141321381
This type swords haven't any speciality

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The only acceptable weapon is the Three Section Staff

>>141318271
She got released.

>>141318384
But it's forbidden!

I also lust greatly about Cecilia from I.S.

>>141321695
That's not how you make a war scythe.
The blade of a scythe is shaped perfectly for a cutting grass motion. The metal is very thin because it doesn't need to cut anything big. The shaft is unhandy for anything other than the sweeping motion you do when you cut grass with it.

>>141315815
Battle axes are different from wood axes.
Pole arms were definitely not multi-purpose scythes.

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>her weapon doesn't have a personality
It's shit.

>>141316871
wishing to see someone smack the mouth-wielded blade downward and knocking that gayfaggots teeth out

>>141317705
>in the 23nd century, someone like you will claim the lawn rake was improvised weapon of the 20th century. also that the nobility wielded leaf blowers

>>141311682
She was raped, right?

>>141320598
http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Paulus_Hector_Mair
look at the scythe tab.
get checked nerd.

>>141328213
The only valid thing i've seen was a medieval italian form in which a rapier was wielded in each hand. But even then your off-hand would favor parrying

"muh scythes"
yeah, no. scythes are agricultural tools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rzQwzg5_mo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_endKNXkdOY

>tfw used to think katanas were cool until I got into anime and jap games years ago

They ruined it. So few anime and manga actually make me not hate katanas, and they're all period pieces. It's even more perplexing that Japan has such a hard on for katanas when they have so many cool weapons they could masturbate over for that cultural superiority high. The ninja weapons shit are the best, especially that retarded/awesome weapon that's a mini scythe with a ball and chain attached to it.

>>141311774
It's GOAT if it's a huge ripped dude using it. If it's somebody small, or even worse, a girl, then it's shit.

>>141311682
Your favorite. It sucks. Sorry I had to be the one to tell you.

>>141326810
>What would be the best weapon to carry around when adventuring?

My vote goes towards a mace, preferably a mostly metal version.

>Easy to use
>lots of power for relatively little weight
>nice mix of blunt and piercing (if you have one with spikes on the end) fucks up even heavy, expensive armor
>Easy to maintain
>Can have a shield with it

Runner up would be a short spear with a wooden handle or an axe with a wooden handle. Both would be easy to sharpen the metal tip, and you can replace the handle with a sturdy stick in a pinch. The axe could also double as a wood chopping tool, though be prepared to sharpen it a fuck ton in that case.

Best ranged weapon depends on your needs. If it was mainly for combat, I'd vote a short bow since it's easy to transport and not as big of a deal to maintain as a small crossbow, but arrows would become an issue over time since they would inevitably break. If your main concern was hunting then a sling would be best. It would be a bitch to use and you'd only be able to stun/kill smaller game, but you could literally just use random rocks as ammo if need be so you have unlimited ammunition. It would also hurt like a bitch to be hit with, so you could run some good interference in a group setting.

>>141331351
lel chill senpai its just anime

>>141329015
>bring this to a fight
>enemy becomes confused about your absolutely retarded weapon
>zones out wondering how you'll use it
>capitalize on his confusion and stab him with a knife

Seems like a good weapon to me.

>>141320923
Reminder the greatest swordsman in Japan, Miyamoto Musashi was defeated in a rematch against staff wielding Muso Gonnosuke. You want something effective against the blade of katana, use a nice stout wooden pole. Also Mushashi himself at age 13 had quarterstaff in duel against a swordsman and beat him to death!

>>141311682
I get katana, but scythe? Even if you think they're terrible weapons, I wouldn't call them lame

>>141332403
This. Scythes are completely badass, even if they're the height of impractical for fighting. Cool>>>>practical any day.

>>141320231
Bruce Lee

>>141332463
>the height of impractical for fighting
The small rice planting ones must have worked pretty damn well, though.

>>141332683
those are sickles right?

>>141332238
yeah but comedy anime is my favorite

>>141332683
I was thinking of the big ass Western farming scythes.

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Only one weapon trumps all.

>>141332969
This a weapon thread, not a hentai one you sick bastard

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>>141311682
>What is the lamest weapon

9mm
>my face when only 9mm

So what is /a/’s views on Nipponese’s hard-on for Excalibur?

>>141332766
Nah, sickles are the ones with the blade curved into a half circle.

Box cutters.

>>141331840
>It's GOAT if it's a huge ripped dude using it.
No, it's lame.
Writing-wise they're reducing the character to his power.
In-universe, the character is needlessly pigeon-holing himself. He's already strong, so he could do devastating damage even with a normal weapon. But he wouldn't miss so much because a normal weapon can be swung better.
He ends up being useless against everything but the slowest enemies with the most HP - stone golems and the like.

Scythes are cool when used as staff.

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>>141311774
Heard you talkin' shit

>>141332278
Is the knife hidden in the polearm somewhere?

>>141311682
ball and chain
spiked ball and chain

very hard to control and very low attack speed

>>141333901
>he can't into poi
It's all momentum control. Given the extent of expertise and bodly alteration British archers achieved I don't doubt it could be used somewhat effectively.
It would be shit in a tight formation regardless, sadly.

>>141334329
Wasn't it mainly used by ninja/covert operatives to begin with? From my understanding it was meant to be an innocuous or easy to hide weapon that would only be used if you had to, not something to be used in large scale combat.

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wires
>dont move or ill slice you to pieces nothin personel kid

honorable mention goes out to smaller-sword-within-a-bigger-sword

>>141320129
Isn't that basically Ichigo?

>>141311682
a katana isn't really a bad weapon, it just isn't mean for warfare, it's main purpose is slaughtering defenseless peasants. It's probably one of the best weapons in the world for killing unarmed people.

>>141334735
or anyone not ready for a fight, a decent assassination tool

>>141334329
>its usage is very specific.

unless you can one shot your enemy in one hit with ball and chain, its pointless even in covert ops.

Anything can be a weapon as long as it has the potential to kill someone. What weapon is the best or the worst is irrelevant because a katana can still cut off someones arm even if it isn't as thick or heavy as a longsword.

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>>141331519
Scythes are super impractical, but cool and intimidating.

That being said anyone that isn't supernatural shouldn't be wielding one, since the whole implication is they reap your life instead of crops.

Literally a fucking spear
>train all your life using a sword
>some faggot who touched the spear for 5 minute can outrange you and kill you

>>141335017
It's irrelevant because it can do specific thing to one specfic person?
Are you perhaps English? Keep banning those knives and forks mate.

>>141335178
I'm American. And you're an idiot. I'm not even sure if you understood the point of my message either.

>>141335104
Spear's pretty helpless 1v1 against a guy with a shield.
Unless you're both wearing heavy armor, then it kinda ties with a two handed sword or hammer.

>>141335104
>not parrying the spear
>opponent's balance is fucked like a retard

>>141335104
if you really trained all your life you could outplay any faggot with a spear by fucking blocking it with your shield, or if you're stupid enough to not accompany a sword with a shield you can parry it with your sword and hit the faggot in the face with the hilt or even move foward, grab it under your armpit and stab it in the face
like you said, its a fucking idiot that graved the spear for 5 min
no, being a 16-20 something years idiot with some sword training doesn't qualify to say "a whole life of training"

>>141320400
Katana's are inferior to almost every european sword.

Is the morning star the most underrated weapon of all time. Its always great when it appears.

>>141335104
it's like comparing a pistol to an assault rifle m8. swords are obviously outclassed, what did you expect?

>>141331414
actually they do
fuckers in middle east and africa slapped armor plates and put guns on them

>>141335678
>you could outplay any faggot with a spear
Wrong. Most spearmen had side arms. Further, as spears are inherently better weapons the best spearman beats the best swordsman as a matter of logic.
This has also been backed up by:
>>141332338
to some extent.

Swords are good, better than a lot of things, but they're also pretty and situational. Spears are all business.

>Duel wielding swords
>Katana is greatest sword
>Back Scabbard
>Flaming arrows in battle
>Swords cutting through swords
>Swords cutting through plate armor

People literally believe.

>>141337517
>as spears are inherently better weapons
>Spears are all business.

>Most spearmen had side arms.
Apparently, even the spearmen didn't believe that spears were just better in all situations.

>>141337594
>potentially implying plate is unpiercable
That's not right. It can't be cut easily but it could be pierced with some luck and effort.

>>141337728
The situation they're better in is actual battle in a war.
That's like saying
>gun are inherently better
>they kill better and are safer the physical charges

>most soldiers have close combat training
Apparently, even modern soldiers don't believe guns are better in all situations.

>>141316011
Dual handguns are one of the few times duel wielding might actually benefit you. Not that much, mostly in ammo capacity, but still. Loads better than two swords.

>>141337791
>Apparently, even modern soldiers don't believe guns are better in all situations.

Protip: Guns are not better in all situations.
And guns are even less situational than spears were.

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>anyone hating on dual wielding swords
Fuck off back to hell

>>141337994
yeah but it will cost you accuracy and whatnot

the only handguns acceptable to dual wield are either matchlocks or revolvers

>>141338070
But this was literally the dumbest shit, you fagbaby

>>141320471
It's got the bloody scythe in the name you bellend.
Next thing you'll be saying is jet planes not being planes, because they don't have a propellor.

>>141335104
Should have trained all your life with a spear then, dumbass.

>>141338070
It's fucking stupid. Having a second sword gives you essentially no advantages.

>>141338070
See : >>141328410

>>141338070
Those scythe tips look cool but I don't think they have any practical application whatsoever.
>i've traded my ability to thrust for an ability to cut
>like the rest of the goddamn blade

>boomerang
>0 matches
literally the worst

>>141338230
It's a fucking hunting tool, it's not lame. It's just not battle-ready.

>>141337753
>swords can pierce plate armor
no

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>>141338192
I think they can work like hooks.

>>141338267
A standard sword blade can work as a hook and if you REALLY need a hook, half sword it.

>>141338192
it might be a chopping sword kinda like khopesh/yatagans. those weird lumps are there to shift the balance to top

>>141319052
>>141321695
>>141338149
A war scyth is a modified Glaive or Fauchard the scyth name is misapplied

applying your logic pineapples are the same as pine cones because they both have pine in the name and look similar.

>>141338261
What about estocs? Werent they designed to fight against armor?

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>>141316011
>>141314110
Dual wielded guns are cool as fuck

>>141338365
You don't pierce the plate, you attack the joints

>>141336966
Looks great yeah, but the fact that you have to swing it to gain momentum to crush makes it pretty niche.

>>141338352
Man you're right! I better throw my history books in thrash, since they are so clearly wrong. Peasant fighters totally had access and knowledge of glaives and didn't just modify what they had on hand to fight.

>>141338346
You could just lop off the unwieldy scythe bit at the very end and you'd get an executioner's sword

>>141338433
Oh it's you again.
War scythes are not modified peasant weapons, a hammered out scythe would probably be turned into a spear with a very brittle blade. War scythes are polearms

>>141338261
>impervious plate
No

>>141338192
The point is to puncture not to cut. The rest of the blade wont puncture anything. Also stabbing is notoriously iffy with swords when wearing armor and you aren't running at each other in a great big line.

>>141338433
I'll throw you in the thrash in a second.

>>141338433
History books are shit when it comes to details.

>>141338414
Estocs were made to pierce the plate itself, although you'd get a better strike with a joint hit. You can pierce plate, arrows didn't get phased out when plate armor became a thing. The arrowheads just got longer, thinner, and heavier.

>>141338404
/k/ would like a word with you.

>>141338530
Stabbing is the only thing you can DO with swords against armor, other than slashing at the joints.

>>141338168
>>141338192
>muh realism and practicality
Fuck
off
Practicality has nothing whatsoever to do with coolness.

>>141338365
Swords just don't have the strength nor weight behind them to get even close to piercing plate metal. Something as thin as an Estoc would just flex terribly and I imagine, if you poked hard enough and long enough, you'd end up just ruining your blade. Plate armor was virtually impenetrable vs edged weapons. Estocs (and rapier type weapons in general) worked well against plated enemies as they were extremely fast and agile, allowing an attacker to easily find the gaps in a set of plate mail. That being said, there is only a person inside the armor. This is why heavy, blunt weapons advanced steadily alongside plate mail because if you knocked some poor knight in the head with any sort of big heavy block of metal he was not going to be having a good day, provided you didn't already kill him with the concussion.

>>141338628
>if I add a bunch of spikes and make my guard REALLY complicated, my sword will be cooler

>>141338618
>what is mordhau

>>141311682
>glorious nippon steel does it again
/k/ on suicide watch

>>141338636
>I imagine
You'd imagine completely wrong. Estocs are made of a very hard balance of steel, harder than the plate. That shit doesn't flex, if you thrust it into a rock it breaks.

>>141338664
Stabbing with the guard or bashing with the pommel. Most people don't go into battle holding their swords backwards.

>>141338587
>arrows didn't get phased out when plate armor became a thing.
Not every opponent would have worn plate anyway.

man i really hate it when people went full >muh realism about anime weapons, which are mostly fictional stories in fictional world with fictional physics and shit

calm you autism down a bit won't you?

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>>141338659
Coolness has its basis in form, not function.
A spiky form can indeed be cool. It can also be lame and edgy. What matters is stylishness and overall aesthetic appeal, not what works most typically for a person of typical human size and strength in a fictional setting.
Unless you're some kind of fucking lame historian who's ass catches fire whenever the slightest unrealistic thing occurs in your fictional media, practicality should not be something you complain about when factoring coolness and lameness.

>>141338561
Thank you Bill S. Preston.

>>141338846
this, it's ok to design cool looking things but you have to make sure it looks believeable too

although the "believeable" treshold is kinda high nowadays..

>>141338733
Says you

>>141338925
Esquire.

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Honestly, pan's are stupid, but when I see em, they're greatly animated

>>141338846
What you call "Cool" is just "Exotic".
An executioners sword looks cool to a lot of people simply because they usually haven't seen one before.

>>141338687
No, this is completely wrong. A sword needs to be able to flex so it doesn't break. Yes, the Estoc was an edge less sword, so it's primary purpose was obviously to thrust. Yes, this would require a harder than normal steel alloy. No, this steel would never be made so hard that it wouldn't flex. It would just shatter the moment you poked something hard. That or it'd jar the absolute shit out of your hand.

The Estoc on average weighed around 4 pounds never getting over 6 pounds. The blades of all the varying Estocs averaged around 1 meter in length. This means that your blade would be rather thin. (very thin, relatively) There is not a steel in the world that could make a 1 meter long sword, weigh four pounds, and be so strong as to not flex yet also not shatter at the same time. If a smith attempted to make an Estoc that didn't flex out of the highest carbon steel, meaning maximum strength with minimum flexage, and it was 4 pounds and 1 meter in length I would be able to snap it with my bare hands. Most people with any bit of strength would be able to.

>>141339156
I meant it doesn't flex against metal plate. And as I said, if you really tried to skewer a rock, it would break before you got a lot of flex out of it.

>>141339226
Estocs could pierce mail armor, but against plate they still had to go for the weakpoints.
(That's not piercing through the plate)

>>141339146
>What you call "Cool" is just "Exotic".
Wrong.
Exotic can often be cool, but they are merely associated adjectives, not synonyms. The word "exotic" implies some attractive unusual quality, rather than using "alien" or "foreign".
Coolness is again about aesthetics and stylishness. You can have something be very familiar, and also very cool, and also impractical as shit so long as it looks nice.

>>141338846
For me personally, I don't mind coolness as long as it doesn't completely impede practicality. Often times when I see weapons that can't possibly be useful in any way the fight choreography ends up suffering as well.

>>141311682
anything that can't fuck up a planet

>>141339363
Post an absolutely familiar weapon that is cool.

>>141339226
I suppose that makes a bit of sense, as the Estoc would generally just glance off of plate metal. If you were to hit it squarely, though, then think about it from a physics point of view. Where is all the force you just put into that thrust going to go? You're more than likely not going to dent the armor, as it's a four pound sword and a sword that thin would surely shatter before a breastplate would. So it's either going to go into the blade, which would have to flex, otherwise it'll shatter, or it's going to knock the person you're attacking backwards, which is definitely possible provided that you could push the target with just your hands, or it's going to reverberate back into your arm and, if you're really unlucky, your arm will break or you will dislocate something or you yourself will be forced to stagger back. That or drop the Estoc.

Personally, my bet is on a little bit of everything happening, mostly focused on the blade flexing, channeling the energy you just put into the back of the blade into displacing the metal sideways.

>>141339393
tacticool stuffs

>>141339329
It depends on the type of mail armor. Unlike plate armor, which was a fairly simple concept (solid plates), ring mail historically had all different types of construction. Poorly made ring mail could often very easy be parted by a decent thrusting weapon, but very well made and closely linked rings often were just as effective as plate mail if not more, as they allowed the user to move more freely.

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>>141339393
These guns!

>katanas are impractical and unrealistic!
>scythes are impractical and unrealistic!

Yeah, cause when I want to escape from reality I want whatever I'm watching to strictly adhere to it cause that makes sense

>>141339429
>flashlights are cool
Civilians aren't familiar with "Military" gear, so it's exotic and cool.

>>141339156
Steel 503 lb/ft^3
Blade weight=6lb
Blade Volume= (6/503)ft^3
1m=3.3ft
(6/503)ft^3/3.3ft
Blade cross sectional area=(6/(503*3.3))ft^2
ft=12in
Blade cross sectional area(6/(503*3.3))*12^2 in^2
roughly=0.5 inch square
Meaning 2 inch wide blade is 1/4 inch thick
Standard short sword dimensions
1.5 inch wide blade is .34 inch thick
Getting up there
1 inch wide blade is .5 inch thick
Actual estoc dimensions
Relatively thin my ass

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>>141339393

>>141339393
This isn't the same guy, but I honestly really like swords in general. Not like the big fantasy type, but swords that were historically utilized. Something about them being actually usable is an interesting and alluring concept. The reason I pick a sword over other practical and historically used weapons is because of a simple opinion, honestly. I prefer the decorum of a blade vs most primarily piercing weapons or blunt tools. And contrary to popular opinion here I do actually admire katanas a bit. They're obviously inferior weapons when it comes to the European armory, but I've always been fascinated with the mysterious and seemingly unattainable levels of skill when it comes to a lot of martial arts masters, specifically addressing the arts that pertain to the use of the katana and its brethren.

>>141339610
>ornate fencing sword
Not ordinary, not familiar.

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I got this as a present, am I cool,/a/?

>>141339658
It's literally just a rapier with a fancy doodad handle. It is unbelievably ordinary and familiar.

>>141339610
What is the point of a cage that guides the point of your enemies blade directly into your hand?

>>141339678
Ornamentation is exotic.

>>141339658
>not ordinary
the fuck m8 those things were literally an everyman's fashion accessory until they were replaced by canes

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>>141339393

>>141339597
Oh yeah, sorry. I for some reason was thinking of a completely different type of thrusting weapon. The truth about Estocs was that their cross section was generally very wide, usually in the shape of a triangle or rhomboid pattern. That being said, this doesn't really change what I said too much. It, just like any sword, flexed and flexing was a necessary component for the blade to function practically without you needing a new one every time you missed a soft spot and hit a hard one.

>>141339735
Yeah man I remeber in my lifetime seeing lots of ornate fencing swords around.

>>141339730
No it isn't. Now you're just using the word wrong. Ornamentation is aesthetically pleasing, but not foreign in any degree.

>>141339750
Bringing justice into this isn't fair.
>>141339799
>implying
To the layman, an ornate sword is exotic. I doubt we have any high nobility from the 1500s browsing /a/

>>141339720
Think of an instance where the enemy's blade is going to be sliding perfectly parallel to your blade, a prerequisite for sliding in that hole at the proper angle to meaningfully damage your hand. Now that you've thought about it, realize you didn't think that out very thoroughly.

>>141339795
Alright, then by this definition all blades are exotic.

>>141339830
>To the layman, an ornate sword is exotic
Now you're the one using exotic and cool to be synonymous, because what you would consider not exotic is also what anyone would consider banal. To you, it is literally impossible to be cool without being exotic, because you consider anything you don't see in your daily life to be exotic.
Stop abusing the english language.

>>141339865
Everyone's seen a bog standard sword and have identified it as the "No frills" model.

>>141311682
Itak

>>141314110
not dual-wielding Axes

>>141339894
No, you shouldn't dual wield axes.

I don't know, crossbows look faggot-y

>muh speed and accuracy

Why fucking cares

>>141340014
Why crossbows in particular
That's an odd thing to dislike

>>141340014
i bet you always play an elf in RPGs

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god damn it guys

>>141340014
I agree, anon. Crossbows have always seemed to me the inferior weapon compared to just a regular bow. I'm pretty sure that's how it is historically, too. Someone tell me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure crossbows only ever really existed for people that weren't already trained/didn't have the physical capability of using an actual bow. Like sure there were some legitimate uses of them here and there, but for the most part they were overshadowed by bows.

>>141340235
Other way around, the crossbow eventually all but killed the bow precisely because you don't have to waste much time training.

>>141340256
Oh, huh. Wasn't the regular bow capable of shooting farther and faster, though? Or was this the case, but the convenience of the crossbow just beat out on the classic bows peak level functionality?

>>141340394
Farther, not faster. Crossbow also had the advantage of punching through most armor.

>>141340394
Practicality>effectiveness in wartime, its why the T-34 was better than the Panther. Even if a bow was better, crossbow means you didn't have to waste nearly as much time training.

>>141340394
Farther and faster (if you use a longbow, which is a pretty unwieldy thing), but again, you needed an archer. Literally anyone could use a crossbow and point and shoot their enemies to death, not to mention carrying a crossbow is easy peasy because of the short metal limbs.

>>141340439
Bows could punch through armor too. Arrows have a lot of weight behind them, look at a wartime arrow shaft. Shits thick.

>>141340394
I thought the crossbow rekt things better at closer distances like armor

>>141340526
true, but you need someone who devoted their whole life on archery to be able to do that

with crossbows any faggot peasant can do the same

>>141340622
Yeah, I'm the other guy saying crossbows nearly killed the archer. But bows could definitely punch through armor and bows WERE faster to ready and fire for a trained archer. But ease of use and carrying cemented the crossbow as a weapon so good that the catholic church apparently outlawed their use against other christians. Because a peasant could kill anyone he wanted with one.

>>141340694
Well I'm pretty sure that was already outlawed with "thou shalt not kill"

>>141314110
>>141320144
>>141338404
>>141339894
>Not dual wielding shields

>>141340795
Ha, no. No, no no no. Not at all. The crusades happened.

>>141340795
Kek
Crossbows were outlawed because they were a weapon that could kill knights with no skill required. It took a couple days to drill someone into crossbow usage, while bowmanship took decades.
The crossbow didn't take off in britain so much because they had archery tradition. Sunday was grow your fucking back muscles you pleb day.

Not even going to start on your bait about religion though

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>>141316011
>Claws
Hey,
HEY!

>>141338192
The application is making you shit your pants as the knight in black armor wielding two hooked swords slaps your waifu on the ass.

Pile bunkers.
Special mention goes to Ciel from Tsukihime.

>>141340984
Then I shoot him with a gun and make an edgy quip about practicality

>>141340014
>doesn't like crossbows
Looks like someone doesn't knwo their ins and outs of mountainblade

>>141340802
>mocking The Wall
Shield crush is real, man. A heavy shield with a smaller hand held parry type shield could do some damage if you were in close quarters. It would be like that arm lock kill in Maria the Virgin

>>141315815
You're so wrong it hurts.

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Wait I always thought dual wielding swords is more reasonable than dual wielding guns, is it not?

Having two firearms heavily impairs your aim but you can still swing a sword around just fine with one in each hand.

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>>141342395
>mountainblade

>>141342484
Anon, pick up two reasonably heavy objects and try to swing them both at the same time or one after another. Now do it while holding only one. Then tell me that dual-wielding is practical.

>>141318918
>dwarven warhammers
Dwarves, being a mostly subterranean race would probably fight with a gladius and shield, or shield and spear rather than a swinging hafted weapons due to the cramped confines of a tunnel. Sorry for the 'tism anon.

>>141311682
Any projectile based weapon since no matter what the target will be able to tiptap among the shoots with ease.

>>141342395
>mountainblade

Get the fuck out of here

>>141343027
>>141342533
What's wrong with that?

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>>141338606
https://u.pomf.is/xeziud.webm

>>141340235
The crossbow was beloved because you could give an ignorant peasant ten minutes training and he could kill a knight who spent his whole life training. A bow required not only years of training to use well, but also significant strength in the right muscles, whereas any jackass could use a crossbow without issue. It was superior from a war standpoint in just about every way. The bow could fire faster and was simpler to make, but you could field dozens of crossbowman for every bowman.

i have a feeling that all these people in here haven't actually used any of the weapons they are bitching about

>>141343268
Yes nobody has used a scythe here. And neither has any successful fielded army in the world.

>>141343268
>archery
>wooden sword fighting
>staff fighting
I was a rambunctious child.
I actually want to start HEMA but my car broke down so I can't get there nor do I really have the money ;_;

>>141338168
It Doubles your offensive prowess by increasing your sword count, adding more swords exponentially increases your battle capabilities

>>141343339
Shields ain't actually for pussies.

>>14134333 its pointless to have 2 swords since they get tangled up but to have a short sword and long or long and a knife is good

>>141343268
Can you use something as a weapon? Sure. Should you use it as a weapon when you have a more sensible alternative readily available? No.

We /dsg/ now. Dex builds a shit.

>>141343462
>DaS3
>no poise in the game
>weapon fighting is less and less realistic
>weapon skills to do crazy flips and shit
I'd rather fucking not. Play a good game or none at all.

>>141343501
Apart for giant fight, are weapon skills even worth using? I'd rather have parry ready all the time.

>>141343501
Souls weapon fighting was never realistic. The poise irks me though, it has made straight swords and the estoc basically unbeatable by means other than parrying.

>>141313311
kill yourself

>>141311774
If the user has enough strength, it's the best weapon

>>141343539
Stance for straight swords and the claymore is absolutely invaluable, as high stability turtling is really broken without it. Most "Stomp into attack" arts are worthless with the exception of the fume. "Spin" arts are currently entirely broken because most of them can chain off of any landed attack and usually fully combo for stupid damage, I'm talking 1000+ oneshots. Gimmick arts are mostly garbage and situational with the exception of a handful. Boss soul arts are usually shit, but strangely lightning weapons have some of the best arts in the game.

>>141343539
who cares. It's literally the worst Souls game until they fix poise, and a complete fuck up online anyway.
People will felate and defend it because muh director and now the fanbase has expanded and normal fags are into it they don't know any better.

>>141343544
That isn't irksome it's game breaking. You can fuck up the heaviest armour with the weakest knife. Come on.
The story, tones and boss fights were better than DaS2 but everything else is a new low for the franchise.
It's minuscule though. Like an 8.4 to an 8.2 but it is a little worse, no mistake (of course that measure is without including the poise fuck up, it's unarguably worse with that)

>>141313588
Not really. Very very few scythes have a straight shaft, they'd be so unwieldy that just a straight stick with no blade would be better every time.
Furthermore the blade is not for people cutting and would probably break

>>141343607
I actually think DS3 is as good as 1. Even with the poise fuckup. It's the only souls game I've set my mind on fully 100%ing and following through. I could go back and 100% 1 but seriously that soldier's armament or whatever is a bastard

>>141343268
So have you never used a staff before?
What kind of shielded shut in child were you

>>141343658
Even with poise fuck up it is better than Das 2
No way as good as 1 but better than two

>>141343695
The one thing I really miss is the insane world interconnections with everything leading back to firelink, but the whole "Go to what you see" aspect is really good. Also some of the best bossfights and no insanely bad ones on the caliber of Bed of Chaos or the Tank n' Spank Quartet

Swords are useless. The shit about cutting other swords never happens unless you are trying to cut a rusty damaged sword

https://youtu.be/yxk7fsUTQm0?t=259

>>141343770
>swords are useless
Yeah man what do all those armies know?

>>141343787
What armies?

>>141343805
Most every army from bronze age on up through the roman empire before the proliferation of plate, and then revitalized after the proliferation of firearms made plate obsolete.

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>>141311682
Oversized 1h axes, or at least oversized axe heads.

The worst fucking shit ever. I'd prefer dual-wielded katanas or claymores over that shit.

>>141311682
The scythe is not even a weapon in real life.

>>141343770
Swords were not meant to cut other swords.

>>141343960
Swords are not meant to cut metal, period.

>>141343831
>Most every army from bronze age
Thanks for proving how useless swords are

>>141343988
Swords are only meant to cut peasants and naked gaylords

>>141344002
You are retarded.

>>141344002
>Thanks for proving how useless swords are
>swords are useless now so they've always been useless
Ok.

>>141344056
>swords are useless now so they've always been useless
They were useful, until people realized they should wear something during battles.

Spear >>> sword

>>141344161
Oh no, you have to fight a man in a house
Enjoy maneuvering your 8 feet of stick while he stabs you to death with a sword.

>>141331454
Goddamn you really are stupid aren't you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_endKNXkdOY

>>141343120
Is that an Equilibrium reference?

>>141344161
A spear being better doesn't make the sword useless.

>>141344193
Except a house is probably exactly where you want a spear. A spear in a corridor is hard to beat.

What's the matter, OP? You got stabbed?

>>141344226
>house
>a corridoor
A house is, presumably, a collection of rooms. Where your opponent can move to your sides very easily and aiming at him with 8 feet of stick will get you smacking walls. I'm sorry if where you live can be described as a corridor.

>>141344255
>there are no corridors in houses
Do you live in a favela or something? And does your house not have doorways?

>>141344286
My doorways are typically maybe half a person in width. Not to mention in close quarters you can deflect a spear yourself. You want opponents at max spear thrust length away from you, if they can push your spear to the side and get on you while you have NO other weapons, you are very simply going to die.

>>141344255
>Where your opponent can move to your sides very easily and aiming at him with 8 feet of stick will get you smacking walls.
Your argument is that the one wielding the spear is retarded.
And in close quarters in a narrow place, a knife or dagger is better than a 4 feet sword that constantly smacks the walls of your tiny house with no corridors

>>141344313
>My doorways are typically maybe half a person in width

That doesn't help a spear how? Spears are for thrusting, not swinging about.

>Not to mention in close quarters you can deflect a spear yourself. You want opponents at max spear thrust length away from you, if they can push your spear to the side and get on you while you have NO other weapons, you are very simply going to die.

Except this happens everywhere and isn't limited to enclosed spaces. There are plenty of techniques for the situation where the guy grabs your spear or gets past the point.

On the other hand, you will have a knife, which will be better than his sword once you get in close.

>this thread
>>>/v/
>inb4 angry replies
This thread mimics the pattern of a /v/ thread though. See Dark Soul or other ARPG. Fuck off.

>>141344335
>4 feet sword
Who the fuck is talking about a zweihander, there are other types of sword you know.
And yes, my argument is that the spear user is anywhere but either a straight corridor or a wide open field.

Saging this fucking thread.

>>141344359
>plenty of techniques
Those techniques are literally all "Go for your sidearm (A sword)". You don't pull a retreat in one on one combat without your buddies covering your ass, or the man with a sword will just keep advancing. Yes ultimately a shortsword or knife would be the most ideal but a sword is still more ideal than a spear. in the stated scenario

Fuck off.