Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1520

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
I think what it takes to succeed remains the same. You have to have a real love of your sport to carry you through all the bad times, you still want to go ski even when things aren't working. You must have a commitment to work hard and to never give up.

Play nice and keep it clean.

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Did you do your reps yet?

>>140665933
N-No, I'll do them after this GoT episode.

I'm translating a doujin right now and I'm kinda confused on the nuance of this sentence
>たったさんかげつで。。。
It only three months
>この人に 犯されるように 抱かれてから
This person who is committed to fucking/ravishing(?) me.

Now, does this mean that it took 3 months for this chick to get mindbroken/corrupted, or does it imply that she's already been corrupted for three months?

If anyone wants the context it's from
http://exhentai.org/s/93f03bde8c/527536-19

>>140666442
The former. It took her three months go get mindbroken counting from the first time she got fucked. I think.

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おにいちゃんががんばってると

あたしもゆうきがでるよ

うんこ
ちんこ
まんこ

>>140666809
Awesome thanks for the help,
>>140667192
uno
channel
mango?

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>>140667192
れんこ

>>140666076
Nnn--nnn--o? Why didn't you do then you fucker?

>>140667238
こんやく

I've recently discovered that my retention improves if I stick one 指 up my おしり and there's the added bonus of it feeling so fucking great...

I have another comprehension question,

>その言葉を信じるつまりも気を許すつまりもなかった
I believe those words, in other words I feel I will allow it, in other words it also won't happen


What's up with the つまりs in this sentence? Is it like a literal pause, like i.e?

>>140667462
Yeah it's the first one I'm 99% sure of it.

>>140667487
What purpose does つまり serve? It just feels really clunky to me with them added in there

>>140667462
Sure it's not つもり

>>140667517
I just told you it's the first one are you retarded or smth bro?

>>140667518
What do you mean? Like it's a typo?

>>140667518
>>140667619
OH it was a typo. It's actually つもり
>その言葉を信じるつもりも気を許すつもりもなかった
So now it would go something like... I plan to believe those words...I won't allow the plan to go into action?

I have the "review cards before showing new cards" setting in anki but since I synched with the web page it mixes them together again, but the setting is the same. What do?

キャー！お兄ちゃん何してるの？

>>140668426
キャー！お兄ちゃんはanime二本語です

>>140668492
what the fuck is two 本語

Why are options in anki global? Is it possible to make it so one deck has 10 new cards per day and another 30?

>>140668656
Create a new options group.

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What's a loli's favourite number?

23

>>140669456
I don't get it.

>>140669910
I think it refers to the ripe age of their niisans

>>140665933
What the hell does reps even mean?

>>140670185
It means you should lurk more before posting

>>140668537
本語 - Book Language as in Literary Language as in Real Ni Hongo and not the one used in anime. The 二 symbolizes the duality of Japanese as it has 2 forms called High Japanese (Real) and Low Japanese (Anime).

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>>140665933
Just completed both Core 2K and Heisig.

Now time to masturbate and then leave for class!

>>140670472
>not jerking your penis while doing reps
Didn't you know that cum actually increases your brain powers?

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>>140670472

>>140668656
Read the anki manual.

>>140670630
It's too late, anon.

The time has come and so have I.

>>140667736
No, it's "I don't have any intention of believing those words or letting my guard down."

>>140670762
Next time collect the semen and drink it/rub it into your forehead and you should see an increase in retention of about 17.15945%.

What should I do when I go to Japan and I don't want to bow?
My people don't bow or bend the knee.

>>140670813
Guard down? Is that what 気を許す is referring to? Literal translation would mean allowing feelings, so the negative would be not letting your guard up?

Anyone here who's read 文学少女? I just finished the second volume and it was incredibly draggy and boring, wondering if it gets better in the later volumes or if I should go back to reading other stuff.

>>140670979
Hover over it with rikai, it's a set phrase...

>>140670902
That's lewder than what I'm prepared for anon.

The feeling has passed and now I'm just filled with disgust. Time for class.

>>140671129
Nah it's a LN series. You're being really childish by the way.

>>140667226
Shit
Penis
Pussy

>>140671167
I've read one of those so called books too. It was called Fate/Zero, pretty basic grammar and it doesn't use particles except の and は so I can say your LN is easy too.
>>140671147
But you already jerk of to 2D fictional girls (that's in the best case scenario) what can be more disgusting than that?

>>140671147
hi leddit

>>140670902
>>140671147
Make sure to shine a bitlaser on the cum. The bitlaser being shined on your forehead already increases your retention, so they increase the effectiveness of each other.

>>140671312
Yeah and don't forget the meh ankifu and a dekinai oh and also a welp whatever that is

>>140666442
Looks like you gave half a sentence but I don't have exhentai so I can't check anything

>雲
>曇る
why japanese people

>>140672008
Yeah lol 日 just blends in I can't even see it you experience it too don't you I must be blind or something?

>>140672261
>lol
Just leave

>>140672345
Where should I leave in your opinion I mean which website can you give me a link and say why it's better lmao

Am I right in thinking "逆に言えばコレで百年は闘える means something like "feeling like you can keep going forever", like being really happy or whatever?

>>140672261
I was more on about how redundant it is to use a separate character for something that could easily be conveyed using the first one.

awful falseflagging attempt by the way

>>140672619
>falseflagging
Sorry I'm not an expert on new internet buzzwords could you enlighten me?

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>other whites fucking hate seeing you in town
This still makes me laugh pretty hard.

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took me 5 day to memorize hiragana and katakana

oh well its fucking ez
what's the next stage ?
it's Kanji ....

just fucking kill me now

>>140672887
No it's not.

>>140672587
Need context.

>>140672887
I don't know if RTK is still considered a meme by DJT but I'm halfway through it and it has improved my overall retention by an enormous amount.

Then I'm also one of those faggots who care about handwriting, so if you don't it might be a waste of time compared to other methods.

>>140672887
Kanji isn't even the hardest part of Japanese. Long after kanji stop being an issue you will still be grinding vocab.

>>140673072
Why do you recommend study methods when you're still a beginner yourself? Fuck off.

>>140673072
Why do you care what a bunch of キモオタ think about your studying methods?

>>140672863
Does the beast's cock enter her at any point?

>>140673167
Pretty sure kanji is the hardest and longest part of learning Japanese

What do you think's harder?

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>>140673072
If you want to learn to handwrite / do production type cards, then RTK is a good way to go. It's particularly helpful for visual / kinesthetic learners.

You spend more time upfront becoming familiar with the kanji in order to save time later when learning vocab: they are easier to learn and tend to be easier to recall due to the familiarity. Production type cards tend to really cement your understanding of a word in your mind earlier than just recognition, but both production & recognition equal out in the very long term.

If you just want to read things to consume recognition works just fine, and might even be faster if you don't mind it being more difficult up front + possibly lower retention rate at first.

>>140673237
>What do you think's harder?

I said in my post.

>kanji is the hardest and longest part of learning Japanese

Nope. Come back when you're not a beginner anymore.

>>140673265
You forget to show the wanikani turnpike to fluency.

>>140673318
The difficulty of kanji extends over into vocab, which is the main reason why it's such a massive grind

>>140673199
rude
>>140673203
If I did care I obviously wouldn't have gone with it. I just remember it being DJT's number one trigger words half a year ago.

>>140673397
It really doesn't. Kanji stop being an issue after a year or two. Once you pass the ~2000 mark or so you basically start acquiring them automatically.

Following new manga is crap.
>read volume
>takes 30 minutes or so
>now I have to wait a year for the next one
Nice.

So just beginning Kanji and how big am I supposed to write these? Obviously bigger than Latin letters right? This question also applies to Kana.


>>140673265
RTK doing a great job for me so far and I'm not even a visual learner. I don't think RTK utilises visual learning much.

>>140673476
That's why you only read completed manga and get your weeb fix in VNs/LNs.

>>140673468
You have to learn the pronunciation of new words even if you already know the kanji. You wouldn't have to memorize the pronunciation if kanji didn't exist because kana make it obvious. I think that's what he's saying.

>>140673492
There's no real size, I tend to write them on an enlarged grid that I print out: http://incompetech.com/graphpaper/custom/centimeter-black.pdf

The main thing is that no matter how simple or packed together the strokes are, the character as a whole should occupy the same square space.

>>140673850
>the character as a whole should occupy the same square space.
yeah I give a lot of attention to this

I mean I'm just curious about how Japs write their Kanji. There's no one set size but most Latin alphabet-users have a similar size of writing, for example.

>>140673492
Make them fit on normal lined paper and it will look good

>間に合う
>be in time, answer the purpose, can do without

oh come on..

>>140674419
間に合う - "we good nigga"

>>140674419
fit + interval
being in time - fitting the time interval
being good enough - fitting the quality interval

>>140674686
Yeah my ESL self misunderstood 'be in time' as the same thing as 'to be on time', writing this post with one hand, tying the noose with the other

会社
社会

That's pretty neat.

>>140674755
>'be in time' as the same thing as 'to be on time',
but that's what it means

fuck djt
i haven't done my anki reps for two weeks
what do

>>140675633
do them

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>>140665933
Waking up early has it's benefits.

>>140675633
Chip away at them in 15 minute intervals. If it's mainly vocab recognition cards then you'll fucking fly through them in no time.

>>140675633
do them

>>140675633
Give up and accept that I'm superior to you, loser.

tfw bumping reps by an hour just so i can finish them all

>>140675656
cool i have 22 reps and i havent done them yet

>>140676562
No time like the 贈り物, anon.

honestly lads where and how did you find the motivation to do tae kim, it seems like such a daunting task and difficult to remember, what methods did you use to practice the grammar as you went along with tae kim

>>140677266
You don't need to remember, just read it. Later you can look up specific stuff.

>>140677266
Just chill out and go through it a little every day.
It's not like it really matters that much. You'll learn grammar properly while reading and referring back to tae kim/imabi.

>>140677266
Do it little by little and use Anki to help you memorize the grammar points through the example sentences.

>skinship

>>140678303
>not wanting to cuddle naked in bed with your sister

>>140675633
throw on a fresh white tee and just do you dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76aRKpH3K_I

>>140678529

>not mother

Get a load of this homo.

Not sure where to ask this, so I figured /djt/ might be of some help.
I got banned from PSO2, so I'm trying to send in a support ticket to get this resolved. Now, the only problem is that I'm a baka gaijin and don't know runes, but someone made a rough translation of what I want to send in. Figured I'd ask the pros to give it a once over, just in case, so I don't look like the baka gaijin I actually am.

何故か分かりませんが「PSO2」のアカウントが停止されました。この問題に関して何のメールも説明も受けていないので停止の理由が分かりません
ログインするときはエラー８１６が出るだけです。利用停止になった原因を教えていただけますか
私は何も悪くない。アカウントがこのように凍結になるいわれもないと信じています

失礼ながら利用停止になったことに反対したいと思います

>>140678964
Why'd you get banned?

>>140678964
Well, that's what happens when you act like an arse around japs. They don't take any of that shit and just hit the ban button.

>>140678964
you get what you deserve dude

>>140679070
That's what I'm trying to find out.

>>140679147
I only play with a few friends of mine, and I never talk outside of private chats.

Should the guide mention something about how long to use Anki Core 2K before getting into Tae Kim?

Most of the vocabulary introduced in Tae Kim doesn't appear until after about a week of Anki. Not saying it's impossible, but I'm definitely getting a lot more out of Tae Kim returning to it after memorizing some of the kanji first.

>>140678964
You didn't get an email telling you you were banned? Maybe just wait a day to see if it's just a temporary fuck up.

>>140679552
vocab is irrelevant for tae kim, you can just use rikaikun to understand the concepts

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>2 year anniversary of starting learning Japanese rapidly approaching
Soon I won't have the shield of "I-I haven't even been studying for 2 years"... no more excuses. The onus of sucking is fully on me
I wish I didn't spend 6 months on Core2k, that's what's throwing everything off

>>140678964
kek, dumb 外人 btfo

>>140679552
Use your fucking brain.

>>140679274
all looks good dude just add this to the end of it

ちなみにボクの皮膚は超真っ白だぜどんな白よりも

>>140679758
You sound angry.

>>140679707
>I wish I didn't spend 6 months on Core2k
You mean ONLY on it? Because there's nothing wrong with using it on top of other stuff like grammar+reading material while mining.

Anyways, what reading level are you at now? What's the hardest VN you've read comfortably?

>>140679799
Expletives are not a sign of anger in my country.
If you cannot figure something like that out yourself, you may as well take a class.

>>140679803
Why do you assume anon reads VNs? This isn't /jp/.

>>140679707
>6 months on Core2k
Fucking how? Christ.

>>140679882
11 words or so a day on average?

>>140679917
you could have cut that down to 3 months with 20 words a day friend

>>140679875
>If you cannot figure something like that out yourself, you may as well take a class.
You should calm down.

I don't see how what I'm saying is any more obvious than advice such as "Alternatively, you can learn hiragana and katakana by getting a notebook and writing each character 50 FUCKING TIMES BITCH (and DRINK BEER)."

>>140679803
I read Tae Kim during it but nothing else.

As for now, the hardest VN I read cover to cover very comfortably was Akeiro (https://vndb.org/v18495), I barely needed to look up any words (maybe 20 through the whole game?) which felt pretty good, especially since it has a significant plot.
>>140679875
VNs are great oniifam
>>140679882
10 words a day

>>140679882
That's not even that bad if you're spending time on grammar and shit, DJT is just autistic.

>b-but you'll never get a vocab of 25000 at that pace!!!
No you won't, but again at the beginning you're also spending a lot of time on grammar and such, and vocabulary gets easier over time because kanji stops being a problem and words are interconnected. When you start reading after finishing Core 2k and Tae Kim you can easily learn 20+ words a day purely through osmosis.

Is だっていた the っていた form of the copula? Does the copula work like that?

>>140680114
I think the number people should be reaching for is closer to 10,000 anyway. You won't be reading Muramasa at 10k but you will be able to conformably consume the vast majority of content out there. Any unknown words will very likely be isolated in the middle of sentences you otherwise know the words to so it's easy to go from context.

>>140680186
I have absolutely no idea what the fuck you're talking about

>>140680186
please get to the nearest payphone and call ty kim

>>140680194
lets be real you wont be reading muramasa not at 10k and not within 10 years

trying beforehand is just a exercise in futility

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>>140680114
Averaging 10 words in Anki for 6 months is absolutely unacceptable.

>>140680377
Eh. I did 10 words a day until I hit 2,500 kanji and then I did 40 a day because I was more experienced and it's easier. Not a big deal fampai. Reading is more important than anki anyway.

>>140680417
Yeah, but 6 months?

JESUS.

does anyone have that anki python script to look up kanji on jisho?

>>140680186
だ and です are fossilized terminal forms of the copular verb family. You want である if you're going to be doing conjugation.

>>140680377
It's only unacceptable if you're autistic.
I didn't even use anki for my first 6 months, wasted time doing stupid shit like that slime game and rosetta stone, and have never added more than 20 words a day to anki (and rarely that much) and still managed to read Muramasa after 3 years

As >>140680417 said reading is more important.

>>140680447
>6 months
What do you think happened after 6 months? I finished Core2k, and then I did a mining deck, and I still did 10 words. It's closer to 1-1.5 years. And I don't regret it because I read in that time and that was more important than anki. My only regrets are that 1) I didn't read MORE, starting from day 1 rather than 6 months in 2) I didn't do listening practice nearly enough 3) I didn't do RTK

>>140680541
Yeah man, but 6 MONTHS?

>>140680598
And how much progress have you made with your crazy speed? Surely you are fluent by now?

http://vocaroo.com/?upload

>>140680704
Please note, I'm (>>140680541) not the vocaroo guy
If someone challenged me to vocaroo I'd suck
まだまだ

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>>140680704
BUT 6 MONTHS!?1!?

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haha

>>140680794
>deflowering
What did りかいちゃん mean by this?

>>140680789
Vocaroo dude, don't be posting like this if you suck at japanese yourself.

What do you guys listen to while doing your reps?

>>140681154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mQpwOS6PCM right now, it's pretty good. rip nujabes o7

>>140680914
Exactly what you think.

>>140681154
Nothing. Music harms my retention so hard I can't even pretend not to notice it. Sucks cause it makes Anki much more enjoyable.

>>140681135
I'm pretty sure you're just getting mocked for being this invested in what /djt/ thinks.

すどくをコミットすればいいですか？

Okay senpaitachi, I need an easy but also engaging visual novel. This means Flyable Meme is out. Perhaps something plot centric rather than a puer character driven story.

>>140681184
L-lewd.

>>140681154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgIWBAnDMAg

>>140681154
I re-watch anime without subs. Great listening practice and not distracting enough to harm my retention or slow me down much.

>>140681289
Muramasa

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>>140681289
I'm just going to post this image like I always do when people ask for recs. Apparently it's full of mistakes and memes but here you go.

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>>140681289
Engaging is hard to find. Even well written and interesting stories can be boring due to the way VNS are written in general. Your best bet is Dies Irae, I haven't heard of anyone not being immediately engaged by it.

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Why won't Anki give me the amount of new cards I'm telling it to? I changed the new cards amount from 20 to 100, but it's still saying I only have 20 due. What's going on?

(I'm only doing 100 cards a day for the next few days since I'm just playing catch-up with stuff that I already know pretty well.)

>>140681154
I listen to what I'm listening to when I'm not doing reps.

>>140681387
I'm aware of this one, but I'm also aware of it being pretty inaccurate.

Why doesn't someone well read make a new one?

>>140681154
日本の音楽

>>140681289
If you mean as a first VN, then your options are pretty much Axanael or Flyable Heart. Flyable Heart is good because it has a throwaway common route and good routes and a multi route story that all ties together. Almost anything you read you're going to butcher, so Flyable Heart's throwaway common route or Axanaels all around low difficulty once you get into it are pretty much your best options.

>>140681154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oVTXSntnA0

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How fast were your reps today, anons? I was preoccupied today so they went pretty bad and slow.

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>>140681387
I corrected that chart but I lost my correction so I'll just mention the games not suitable for a beginner (but still playable if you want to!)
- Daitoshokan
- Twinkle Crusaders
- Clannad
- ***Monobeno*** (this is no joke, FULL of thick dialect and medical terminology, whoever put it on there was tricked into thinking it's a simple lolige)
- Aiyoku no Eustia (it's too good for that)
- Himawary (same)
- Kimi ga Nozomu Eien (one of the longest VNs ever written)
- Natsukumo Yururu (appearances are deceiving)
- Sekai de Ichiban Dame no Koi

>>140681408
Are you editing the options for the subdeck or the main deck? Because subdecks will be limited to whatever the parent deck's new card limit/review limit is.

>>140681154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Xu5DxU8xw

>>140681223
This, unfortunately.

I can't concentrate with music.

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>>140681545
Usually takes me around 30-35 but I decided to be really thorough today

Actually probably more around 50 minutes because I have it paused a lot to look up shit

>>140681154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSaJXDsb3N8

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>>140681545

>>140679580
Nothing so far, and it's been about a week since.

>>140681647
>>140681664

Goddamn, I consider 10 cards/min a good rate. How the hell do you even go that fast?

>>140681154
Uh, the audio from the core deck?

>>140681598
I was editing it for the main deck, but your comment helped me solve the problem. I had to add the subdecks to the same custom options group that I'd created. I thought just changing the main deck would effect all the subdecks, but I guess not.

Thanks.

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>>140681695
When you can read kanji at the same speed as english letters, anki will go by much faster.
Think about it, if you had to pause to consider every letter, going through english vocab would be slow too right?

>>140681571
You should make a chart if you're so well read.

>>140681402
Dogshit taste
>>140681289
Baldr Sky

>>140680704
>>140681154
２鳥１石 or something

http://vocaroo.com/i/s15lLFdqAIZY

>>140681387
thats a good list of just stuff to like not read

>>140681402
i wasnt if that helps your worldview

>>140681784
I don't see the need, its best to read what you want to, not what a chart tells you. It's just that chart has bad enough recommendations I thought it'd be good to point it out before people get suckered into them. Well, get suckered into thinking certain relatively / fairly difficult novels are good for beginners.

>>140681571
Any that you aren't sure about?

>>140681855
>thats a good list of just stuff to like not read
which would you remove/add?

>>140681882
I'm familiar with pretty much every novel on there except Hitotsu Tobashi Ren'ai and Hatsuyuki Sakura.

>>140681537
This just makes me wish I could do my anki reps in some train right now

>>140673962
>Kanji
They seem to usually write the kanji a little bit bigger than the kana. Look for some artbooks with character design notes from the artist for examples.

If you're too pussy to just read what you want you should just stick to anime scripts
>download subs from kitsunekko
>read through the subs with a dictionary, adding words to anki
>A couple days later when you've seen the words in anki a couple times, watch the episode
>Each day read a couple scripts and watch a couple episodes

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>>140681537
>dozen minutes of steady rumpling
>suddenly some rough rumpling
thats my fucking jam

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>>140681935
if you trim down the fat it looks basically like this

just fill all the blank space with dies or romeo tanaka or mareni or w/e

Hey guys I'm trying to download a kana chart right now on my hyperbit connection, but it's way too slow. The kana chart is going to take like eight weeks to download. I can access 4chan fine, though. My lord lets me access BBSs via carrier pigeon, however, by way of his good friend Prince Alexander of Daventry. Can you guys post some text art kanas? It would really make my learning process about your foreign worlds a lot easier. Thanks!

>>140681537
>>140682262
Should just go for the real deal experience like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LaEW9DAlpM

>>140670382
Seems logical but sounds like bullshit.

>>140682666
its actually true i can confirm

>>140682666
It's just gaijin'yogana.

>>140681223
So much this, I hate it.
>Boring without music
>Can't concentrate with music.

私は別に平気だしー
does 別に without negative sentence end emphasize the 平気?　

>>140682888
yea actually pretty much dude

私はpretty much平気だしーdude

>>140672619
The first one is just clouds. The second one is the sun over the clouds. There's even little raindrops in the clouds. These are literally just little pictures.

>have "reviews before new cards" setting enabled
>gives me new cards before reviews are done
explain

>>140681571
>- Kimi ga Nozomu Eien (one of the longest VNs ever written)

I've been wanting to read that one for a long time. It would probably take me years to read it at my slow pace.

>>140676679
That's present as in a gift, not the time frame.

>>140679707
You don't know true shame until you're almost seven years into "studying" and still can't talk or read above a first semester nihongo student because you're a drunken unmotivated loser who hasn't cracked open a textbook more than three times in the past five years.

>>140683567
I meant I've been studying for 2 years, not studying for 2 years then not studying for 5 years

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>>140681571
you forgot to mention 車輪の国 dude theres tons of references to things gaijins wont know

that aside its still a game where you have to be able to connect some dots on your own and thats just too much to ask for a baby who can only connect shit to their diaper

i also feel bad for anyone who actually read the fan tl for it lmao (yeah anyone whos been around knows beating up on it has been done to death)

>>140683300
i dont know if its honestly even worth reading this far removed from when it came out

the world has changed

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>>140681387
Here let me post another arbitrary chart so people have more choice.

>>140681154
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A8-rEX24mU

>>140683743
its actually the same thing!!!!!

just dont trip the landmine

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>>140681387
>>140683743

>>140683743
>Parfait
Doesn't this include a lot of college rather than high school speak and specific restaurant terms?

>>140683285
relearns are red, reviews are green, green becomes red upon pressing again, new cards dont mind coming before red

>>140683986
that chart can be 超危険 for babies

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Ps1, 2, and PSP emulators are a goldmine for untranslated shit to study with.

anon daisuke

>>140683407
No shit, it's a pun.

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そうじして

おふろはいって

おせんたくしてね

やくそくだよおにいちゃん

>>140684250
うるさいこのクソガキ。

>>140684179
you mean to tell me theres a shit load of japanese video games to play

huh aint that somethin. looks like there are

>>140684250
フルーツジュース抽出中

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I made a chart. I think it's strength is that it's a guide, and not a recommendation chart; it offers a path that isn't just throwing a ton of moege at you. What do you all think? This games are all probably familiar to you, but maybe in the future it will be helpful.

>>140684607
I don't like it.

>>140684337
意地悪しないで下さい。

>>140684710
That's pretty hurtful anon

Studying with eroge seems like a bad idea. I wouldn't want to let dirty words slip in real life. Every time I want to say 皆仲良しして。
I always think 皆中出しして！

>>140684982
It's like this
Study with compelling content -> erpge are very compelling to many people -> Study with eroge

>>140684982
>not wanting random orgies wherever you go

こんにちは皆さん
今日もいい一日送りましたか？
今日も頑張って生きてましたか？
人生くりかえすことができませんから毎日後悔しないように汗をかいて生きてくださいね

>>140685036
Plus VNs are just great in general for learning since they're texthookable for nearly instant lookups along with one button card creation with the sentence you got the word from, have a very wide range of difficulty and vocab/subjects covered, are usually fully voiced outside of the MC, have a great mix of narration and dialogue, have visuals to help give context sometimes, etc.

>>140685074
死にたい。

>>140685132
And you can study with an erection.
True progress is obtaining an erection from text alone. For example: ダメ

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can anyone tell me what kanji this is suppose to be? I looked in every dictionary I have and couldn't find it.

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Can someone help me figuring the kanji in the pic?

> エロ木？王てっ

>>140685356
Wow dude you beat me to it.

>>140685356
魔

>>140685399
Draw them in google translate.

How much could someone learn in 3 years hypothetically?

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>>140685356
>>140685407
Sorry, I should have written more so you know I'm not the shitposter.

>>140684607
i think unironically the only good thing on the chart is kangoku senkan but ive already been beatin lil jamal to that for years

>>140684726
皮肉で言ったわけじゃないよ
本当にびっくりした
ゲームの量が馬鹿でかいぞ

>>140685074
今日もいつもと同じだな
繰り返すことにより入る領域
覆すため返す砲撃

>>140685356
>>140685399
i cant read these sorry

>>140685482
about 3 years worth

>>140685495
unfortunately none of that matters as handwriting is irrelevant

>>140685495
Thanks anon, I didn't know about this

>>140685495
Thank you a lot for this!

>>140685482
Going by years is a bad idea; someone could be reading easy light plotge without having to look stuff up too often within a year, whereas someone else could spend a whole year on just Flyable Heart.

Just put in time, dedication, and consistency, and when you get to the point where you can read just learn to enjoy the journey and have fun reading rather than worrying and stressing over long term goals.

>>140685554
>unfortunately none of that matters as handwriting is irrelevant
But it's relevant for reading too evidently, going by the image in >>140685399 and the poster's confusion.

>>140685752
no i know dude im a big advocate of learning how to fuckin write

its supposed to be tongue in cheek man fuck

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>>140685495
6 reminds me of the mysterious　ゐ

>>140685882
Oh, my bad, should've paid more attention to the rest of the post. Pretty funny actually with the ironic
>i cant read these sorry
right before it

>>140685554
>i think unironically the only good thing on the chart is
At the top I said:
"Ultimately the best thing to do is read what you want to"
My goal, which I think I accomplished fairly well, was to provide some works of certain difficulty levels. I didn't want to recommend novels as novels themselves, because there are plenty of sources for that. I myself don't think HatsuMira is *that* good, but it was certainly a step up in challenge.

Good taste as for Kangoku though.

What the fuck speech patter is　であるです

>>140686101
吾輩は猫であるです

>>140686101
です dialect, from the moe prefecture

>>140686199
All I could figure was she's trying to sound overly cutesy and bimbo ish.

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>>140685977
holy moley thank you for getting the joke (not being condescending im actually 感謝)

花丸を君に

as a bonus if you can read the text in the picture it really doesnt matter because its pointless but your other 4th grader friends will be impressed

>>140685989
on the real i think a chart is not that useful because everyones different

difficulty is a misleading term because of course you dont know stuff (words etc) you dont know but its not hard to pick up and learn the stuff you dont know. it just takes time and effort

id only honestly apply "difficulty" to things that require really good reading comprehension to get the most out of which is a entirely different skill as most are stuck on the kanji and grammar and oh my goodness theres no english counterpart to this phrase parts

thats not to say something like 群青の空 doesnt require any reading comp though

Man even Tae Kim says not to just drill kanji and memorize their meanings. I was getting nowhere and losing my patience with just doing flash cards and memorizing the onyomi and kunyomi.

>>140686187
Well, it's all right when you're talking about a book, but other than that it just sounds dumb.

>>140686907
I read all those games, so I can explain in simple detail why their difficulty is "real" - the vocabulary is a stratum higher. You could read 50 moege and still be blown out by Bradyon Veda, because Bradyon Veda is hard science fiction that covers topics Moege pretty much never do. I don't mean to say Silverio Vendetta is harder because of any phantom reason, it is harder straight up because its vocabulary level is very high. That's it. HatsuMira's vocabulary level is challenging, but not as much. Sci-Fi nukige are challenging, but not as much.

I for one think the chart is helpful for people not really into the VN scene, but still reading VNs to practice. Bradyon and Silverio are both games easy to overlook compared to the universally known Dies Irae and Muramasa. One may not think to read through some sci-fi nukige to pound out that vocab in a simple setting. Hatsumira is not something anyone talks about, and may not be something one would expect to be hard. Etc.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is, anyone who has read primarily moege will struggle with the middle row, and struggle a lot more with the third row. So even though "everyone's different", everyone can use that chart as a reference of some difficult games, should they desire it.

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I honestly can't for the life of me figure out this handwriting. ヌ又？ヌヌ？又又？at least the last one would kinda make sense as "yet again", but I've never seen またまた written in Kanji. And even then that would be 又々, right?

>>140687384
双子 prolly

>>140684607
>What do you all think?
I think people just need to fucking read a lot and widely instead of trying to pigeon-hole themselves into some autistic visual novel route to the language.

>>140687384
jesus, thanks anon. I feel like an idiot now, though. The spacing totally threw me off and I couldn't see anything but kana there.

>>140687529
Did you notice the "Ultimately the best thing to do is read what you want to"? I suppose not

>>140687584
Did you notice that the statement alone refutes the purpose of a "guide"? You autistic fuck.

>>140686931
>I was getting nowhere and losing my patience with just doing flash cards and memorizing the onyomi and kunyomi.
I do exactly that, as well as going from reading and keyword to kanji production. It is really helping with unknown vocabulary.

>>140687480
Sorry, meant >>140687566 for you.

>>140687584
you should put it in large red bold letters with a wacky font and an anime girl pointing at it with a stern face

>>140687616
hey man you're the one sperging out over a simple suggestion image. nothing wrong with a simple "hey try out Leyline as an introduction to easy plotge" or stuff like that.

>>140685752
Why the fuck would you think that has anything to do with handwriting how dumb are you

Literally all it takes is seeing it once before

It's like, born from AVOIDING how to handwrite properly

>>140687616
The guidance is there if people want it. Nothing to get worked up about.

>>140687682
>hey man you're the one sperging out
Nice buzzword.
>ask for opinion
>gets opinion

>>140687745
Not worked up, anon. Expletives are not a sign of anger.

>>140687741
It's like you didn't even read any of the posts before responding to mine. Fuck off, retard.

>>140687798
Worked up =/= anger.

>>140687798
>Nice buzzword.
I mean, you're the one calling him and suggestion images autistic, I don't see how "sperging out" is any worse considering you're being just as autistic if not more autistic.

>>140687814
You said something stupid, deal with it

>>140687529
logical vn progression for new peeps

腐り姫 > ひぐらし > cross chan > 最果てのイマ > oretuba > albatross > dies > seabed > 村正 > はなひらっ

>>140687741
take it easy dude its all cool everyone here is cool (ボク以外)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcrJJoUYlo8

>>140687798
>Expletives are not a sign of anger

>Expletive - Noun
>A word or phrase (such as “Damn it!”) that people sometimes say when they are angry or in pain

This thread is now /det/.

is 血液型 being related to personality in Japan only related to otaku culture or do the majority of japanese actually believe it does?

>>140687892
So did you. You responded to a post without reading any of the context surrounding it. All I said was that the stuff in the image was relevant for reading too and you replied to me with shit I already know and that has already been said. Fuck off, retard.

>>140687950
>村正 > はなひらっ
Good idea. That way you minimize the amount of time you have to spend suffering through はなひらっ

>>140688003
people love blood types i dont know why

>>140687950
>seabed
I was actually thinking of buying this, but I'm afraid to read it at my level with how much everyone is praising it. Feels like something I should save until I can read it at a solid pace without looking stuff up very often. Same with Himawari.

>>140688005
Maybe you should read your own post again because that is not what you said.

>>140688003
Think of the status horoscopes have in western society. It's fun to portray people as being their type in fiction, but in real life only a few "crazy" people actually believe in it, it's mostly just for fun.

>>140688093
>it's relevant for reading too
I'm going to just assume any further responses are you shitposting/baiting me because I don't want the thread to get shit up anymore by your autistic misunderstandings/inability to read the full context of a post before responding to it.

>>140688090
ill just go ahead and say dont fall for the memes its fundamentally the same as hanahira

>>140688149
Look at what you quoted in your post.
> the stuff in the image was relevant for reading too
>the stuff in the image
This is not what you said. Quite ironic that you're insulting me as being the one who doesn't understand context.

Also gj with the classic "This is the end of the argument but I still need to get the last word in because I'm a gigantic faggot"

>>140688295
Yes. The image. >>140685495 筆写略字 / 略字
It's relevant for reading abbreviations or for handwriting those abbreviations if you want to learn how to even if it's not "proper". I don't understand what you're getting so worked up for or what you're trying to get at here that hasn't already been stated or isn't already common sense. What's so confusing for you here? I feel like you wouldn't be so confused if you actually read the full context of the conversation.

dont fight over dumb shit guys you dont need that shit

what you do need is this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkYYgacc7Zw

>>140688566
you gotta start a pastebin for "Jamal's sick beats" with names & youtube links

>>140688461
My bad.

>unfortunately none of that matters as handwriting is irrelevant
>But it's relevant for reading too evidently

>handwriting is irrelevant
>But it's relevant
The use of the same word (relevant) made it sound like you were talking about the same thing he was saying was irrelevant.

>>140687999
expletive
>a word or phrase used to fill out a sentence or a line of verse without adding to the sense.

Don't try to play these games, anon.

>>140688737
That guy wasn't me, but anyway, I think you're the one playing games aren't you? I said "The guidance is there if people want it. Nothing to get worked up about.", but the only thing you replied to was whether you were actually getting worked up, rather than the point point that the "guidance is there if people want it", and is therefore not something at all that pigeonholes people into VNs like your first play stated.

The #1 reason for arguments on DJT I see is that instead of staying focused on the core point and having a good discussion about it, people get sidetracked on other irrelevant points and a huge argument spins off in a fractal shape.

>>140688853
>instead of staying focused on the core point and having a good discussion about it, people get sidetracked on other irrelevant points and a huge argument spins off in a fractal shape.
So autism. Not epic buzzword insult autism either, legitimate full blown symptom of actual autism.

>>140688853
Honestly the #1 reason for arguments is because people are here because they are bored and there aren't enough worthwhile questions to sustain the thread.

>>140688928
Huh? You can see it right there. The discussion went from criticism of the chart to defining what "expletive" means.

>>140688853
>The #1 reason for arguments on DJT I see is that instead of staying focused on the core point and having a good discussion about it, people get sidetracked on other irrelevant points and a huge argument spins off in a fractal shape.
Which is exactly what you are doing now.
The problem is that anons here aren't mature enough to accept opinions that do not endorse whatever it is they are trying to promote.

>>140689002
No no, I was agreeing with you, I was just butting into the conversation to add to your post.

>>140688640
thats up to yall dude i aint doin that

>>140688957
ok lets try this one again
>>140646378
>>140648038

i did get one semi answer that was effectively shit is what it is but i didnt learn anything

>>140688928
>people get sidetracked on other irrelevant points and a huge argument spins off in a fractal shape.
That's how humans normally communicate.

>>140689150
this

>>140689150
In a normal conversation, sure. When debating over something, not really, that's just fixating on a minor detail instead of looking at the big picture and in the process completely failing to make a counterpoint to the main subject of the post due to fixating on the usage of a particular word or phrase that's largely irrelevant to the topic of discussion.

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>>140665933
I almost miss the days when reps took hours to complete.

>>140689059
>Which is exactly what you are doing now.
My point was that he ignored the point that actually mattered and only argued about something that didn't really matter (whether he was worked up or not). I did not do that, it would be impossible to do that, because his post was about defining expletive and nothing about that matters in the first place.

>>140689258
a real master strings the opponent along these tangents because they know the opponent is willing to accept distractions to gain more ground

them the master takes everything that has happened in the argument and paints a new picture about it, in excruciating detail, as the castle town defending the topic of argument

>>140689364
This is actually an enlightening article which helped me post more constructively on DJT
http://www.wikihow.com/Win-an-Argument-when-You-Know-You-Are-Wrong

>>140673698
You wouldn't have to memorize pronunciation without kanji, but still won't know what the fuck the words mean so you will still have to grind.

>>140689463
I don't have to take any advice from this article since I'm never wrong
Even when I know I'm wrong, I'm not wrong
Literally, like, even if I objectively know that I'm wrong, I'm literally objectively not wrong
This isn't even some kind of metaphor or deep speak
I'm *literally never wrong*

>>140689303
>My point was that he ignored the point that actually mattered
Not really. The point was that the guide itself self refuting and useless. There is a reason why posting shit like that anywhere else on /a/ will be met with people telling you to fuck off. I suggest lurking more.

>>140689666
>The point was that the guide itself self refuting and useless.
My response to that was "The guidance is there if people want it". The guide acknowledges both that the best thing to do is read what you want to, AND that some people will want guidance none the less. Therefore, it offers guidance for those who want it, even if accepting such guidance is not always the best thing to do.

What does that have to do whether he was worked up or not? Because when he replied he ignored all of that, and merely said he wasn't worked up. Which is why I pointed out he was derailing and arguing about pointless stuff in a fractal shape.

im objectively gay

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>>140689878
Are you certain?

>>140689878
よかった！

>>140690433
summary please

>>140690611
The text on the top right is the summary

>>140690646
sorry i can't read LN can you please translate it to manga for me

>>140690433
テキストを見直せばうん絶対ゲイです

what comes after お尻えっ im actually really dyin to know

>>140690687
http://exhentai.org/g/686981/9187bcd281/

>>140690786
a panda bear ?

Why does Tae Kim assume I know what shit like "direct object of the verb" means?

>>140691088
He's teaching Japanese grammar, not English grammar words. If you don't know something google it.

>>140670236
fuck off asshole

>>140691088
Because you browse his site using the internet and it's incredibly easy to look anything you don't know on internet.

>>140691447
what if you were reading his book or whatever and didnt have internet though

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>>140691088

What happens if a girl uses boku?

>>140692512
She grows a dick and a classic butler suit.

>>140692512
i get really fuckin mad and post about it in djt!!!!!!

>>140692512
I don't think they really do that. Not native speakers at least.

>>140692664
they do surry

>>140692664
theres a time and a place for everything dude dont make sweeping generalizations

>>140692512
That actually triggers the dissolution of the Japanese constitution.

What are mature cards?

>>140693176
cards you've gotten right enough times to have a huge scheduling interval

>>140693176
they have a proper bush

>>140693251
How yuge is yuge?

We talkin' weeks or months?

>>140693310
maybe a month or two

not a week or a year

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>been doing anki for quite some time now
>finally reaching a point where I'm not going to get better unless I start reading and doing my radical reps
>the radical deck is fucking stupid and keeps showing me radicals that I never see used instead of ones I see all the time so it's really hard and I gave up on it a while back
>cant muster the effort to do anything but normal reps

Every time I think I've narrowly escaped 出来ない, it always comes back to haunt me.

>>140693464
youre doing dumb shit what do you expect

>>140693176
http://ankisrs.net/docs/manual.html#types-of-cards

>>140692512
That happens all the time. It's a pretty basic way to suggest that she is tomboyish or maybe even a reverse trap.

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>>140693464
>I'm not going to get better unless I start ... doing my radical reps

>>140693464
What deck you using? How many reps do you have?

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I can feel myself getting better, /djt/.

It feels so good.

>Finish Genki
>No resolution to the drama of Meari-san's romance
What will I do now? Intermediate textbooks don't have weird highschool kid example characters

>>140693585
>>140693818
What?

>>140693831
Core 2k/6k and "Kangxi Radicals 2016 mine". Both are at 20 new + 100 old per day each.

I know that I'm probably going to get laughed at for something, so go ahead.

>>140694212
You should stop adding new cards in the radicals deck if you're doing core. The first hundred and a couple radicals are enough to force your brain to split kanji into parts.

>>140694200
read a moege and get more highschool kid characters

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>Moving on to yet another from of 「べき」 is 「べからず」.
>I have no idea what that means and you don't have to either.
Quality guide, eh?

>>140694364
>ず
"not" "what comes before"

>>140694212
>100 old per day
If you have a review limit set, no wonder you're having trouble. Get rid of that.

>>140694212
It's fine to study radicals with a program like that, but you act as if it's the only way left for you to progress in your studies. It's not. If it isn't working for you, you should consider doing something else. Getting hung up and frustrated over one method that isn't working for you is a good way to lose motivation and give up.

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Do not fuck with Jim.

>>140694453
>Doing genki workbook
>私はきのう手紙を書きませんでした
>Yesterday I didn't write a letter
And then it asked me in japanese if I had hamburgers for breakfast today

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>>140694453
on the other hand fuck with me

>>140694291
The issue with that, again, is that 90% of the radicals that that deck has given me are ones that I never see used.

>>140694437
It already takes me around 40 minutes to do the whole thing and really stretches the limits of my focus and patience as it is. I've tried experimenting with more cards/reviews per day but it just made me retain nothing and feel like giving up.

>>140694443
I've tried other methods of learning radicals but none of them seem to be good. If you can inform me of something that teaches them while giving solid examples, all in a sensible order, then I would absolutely love to hear about it.

>>140694732
>is that 90% of the radicals that that deck has given me are ones that I never see used.
Do you happen to have anki set to show new cards in random order?

If that's not the problem then it just means anki has scheduled away the common ones, which you learned easier. That's anki's job. The remaining 90% are to make your brain recognize arbitrary kanji stroke shapes easier.

>It already takes me around 40 minutes to do the whole thing and really stretches the limits of my focus and patience as it is. I've tried experimenting with more cards/reviews per day but it just made me retain nothing and feel like giving up

Well, in any case, reviews absolutely have to be uncapped. If you get too many reviews, you should lower new cards, not reviews. Having a review limit just makes it impossible for anki to schedule things correctly.

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Get rid of the review limit and lower the new cards if needed. You'll still be learning more that way than you are now.
What's happening is you're not reviewing things nearly as frequently as you should, not even close. That makes recalling them harder and the harder it is to do so, the longer you'll take on each card and the more frustrated you'll be at the sessions.

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>do my reps
>Anki shows I still have about 15 cards due today
>get down to around 10
>suddenly it becomes 0

What the fuck is this? Has this happened to anyone else?