Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1519

first for lolis

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Run away from laziness; work hard. Touch intuition and listen to the heart, not marketing directors. Dream.

こんちには

>>140616268
I set it to 35 new cards a day and unlimited reviews (999). Studied for 19 days
I can keep up with it for the most part, except those mentioned. Its easier than when I studied English because Japanese is pretty similar to my native language which is Vietnamese (they both originated from Chinese)

>>140616332
>not vertical text

Gross

>>140616891
Why do you think that?

>>140617012
For one-three liners like in VNs, horizontal is fine, but, for large bodies of text, Japanese is more aesthetically pleasing in vertical form.

>>140617232
>meikyuu.exe

Pretty sure that is a VN, bub.

>>140616507
>unlimited reviews (999).
That's not unlimited.

>>140616268
I change what I do depending on what my motivation is and how much time I have. Today I did 25 new cards. Yesterday 50. The day before 25 and the day before 0. Sometimes I don't do new cards for some days and then I do 100 (mining). Just do what you think works best for you.
Started really like 8 months really again and on new year I restarted Anki for some reasons. Got 1200 mature and 1900 young but some of the cards I learned before I didn't l didn't unsuspend yet because I'm most of the time mining stuff.
Settings: New cards 1 2 7 30 45 300 180, order is random, starting ease 220%, max rev/day 9999, easy bonus 150%, interval mod 60%, mark only[/blog]
Anyone else changed his interval mod?

>>140616507
>>140617291
Meant 9999, missing a 9

>>140617232
Nonetheless, Japanese themselves are fine with large blocks of horisontal text.

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>>140616507
>>140617291
How can you remember 35 or more cards for a day?
If it set anything higher than 30 I end up rushing to clear my deck as soon as possible..
What is your trick?

>>140617492
I do 50 new cards a day. I do them in intervals, so I'll study for 10-15 minutes or however long I feel like before retiring cards for the day, take a break for some amount of time, then come back and see how well I remember what I've already looked through and continue the cycle

>>140617492
I can translate words made up of Kanji character into Chinese and then into Vietnamese, and a lot of them will still make sense, so it's easier for me, Don't know about others though

>>140617492
I do the same as >>140617626
I also do reviews for 15-20 minutes. After 20 I start to lose focus so I make a break and then continue. In the evening I do reviews for 5-10 minutes. Morning works better for me. Also when I do a lot of reviews like mining 100 cards I write them down an review them. I did like 500~ cards in a week some weeks ago and wrote each one at this time on a paper with translation and read them when I had time. Like a book. When I would finish I'd start again.
But I also do sometimes for some days only 10 words a day. If you don't feel like doing much, do less.
>>140617645
I also look up every word before in Jisho or some other dictionary and then translate it into my language. I don't live in my homecountry but it's still easier to memorize words in one's native language I think

>>140617626
This was my method when I was doing like 100 day.

Post god-tier music for long anki sessions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBiBA9CTuu0
(inb4 that one guy posts the white shirt rap)

>>140617267
It's a text hooker

>>140617395
Me too, but I prefer vertical.

I imagine they feel the same way.

>>140618985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57cOmxB12XI

>>140619424
>I imagine they feel the same way.
Kinda doubtful. That's probably just a foreigner projecting his idealism over a culture.

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やさしいこころ

にくしみにまけないで

いつくしむこころ

かなしみにまけないで

おにいちゃんできるよね

>>140619470
Here's a logical explanation:

>また、質問者が扱うフリーペーパーの場合。「気軽に手にとって読んでもらうものでしたら、右開きのほうが有利です。なぜならほとんどの人は右利きですので、左手で本を持って右手でめくるほうが自然にできるからです。とくに電車内など立った状態で読むときには、圧倒的に右開きのほうが有利」（nidonenさん）とのこと。

More http://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/watch/entry/6061f1382b07d9cd97dcb1d143c71ae6/

>>140619692
Seems like it depends. That someone felt they had to ask the question to begin with is perhaps evidence that natives don't care much.

>>140620027
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/sfujikazu/touch/20100907/1283827468

Vertical text is easier to read for Japanese.

>おそらく，マンガで育った筆者の場合，右上から左下へというコマの動きにあわせて，吹き出しの中などの文字イメージも一緒にスキャンしていく眼の動きと，そのイメージを読みとっていく作業を，体が覚えているのではないでしょうか。このように身に付いた視線の動きに加えて，ためこんだ単語のゲシュタルト・イメージも縦書き優位になっているのかもしれません。というのが私の暫定的な仮説です。

>>140619692
>>140620177
This is not really substantial or notable evidence
It's clearly just an opinion based thing some people like to prop up with hogwash.

>>140619431
Tashikani sore ha kami kyoku korekushon desu, nii-san. Arigatou. Kore kara yoku (daburu imi w) kiku ne.

>>140620496
Prove it.

>>140620641
I don't really feel the need to. I don't mind if people disagree. I just wanted to point out the two links you provided are not really substantial or notable evidence. If you want to prove it, which you seem to, you'll have to do better than that.

>>140620743
>I don't really feel the need to

Neither do I. Vertical text being easier to read than horizontal text if only because a page of vertical text contains less text than a page of horizontal text is enough evidence. Furthermore, every single article I've read so far about horizontal vs vertical text has stated that reading vertical text feels more natural for native readers than reading horizontal text, be it because of early manga influences in life, the fact that the vast majority of manga and novels are printed with vertical text or any other reasons.

The only exception to this are otaku who spend more time on the Internet where text is displayed horizontally.

>>140618985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYMrWsrdH_g

>>140620972
>Neither do I
Well, posting sources to try and prove it doesn't really give off that impression.
And, the fact you continue to give meaningless anecdotal evidence from largely outsources, unscientific articles on the internet, even after having their irrelevance pointed out, is a bit perplexing.
If you want to prove it, or have someone like me, agree, then provide a scientific sourced article. If you don't want to prove it, then why keep posting? If you reply again just to argue with me and not to provide any sources I'm going to ignore you.

>>140621063
Upvoted xD

>>140621063
>>140620972
Found this googling
>http://www.amudesu.co.jp/legibility/legibility.pdf
I guess the relevant tables are 1.4, 1.5 and 1.9. The explanation about different eye movements being more and less straining was also enlightening.

>>140621260
>The explanation about different eye movements being more and less straining was also enlightening
In section 1.

>>140621063
Jesus, I feel bad for you. Being this dumb and not even realizing it. How embarrassing.

>>140621260
Being a PDF does not make it any more scientific dude. Do you even see where that comes from?

>>140621388
Didn't find anything else.
>Do you even see where that comes from?
No.

>>140621388
>Being a PDF does not make it any more scientific dude
Having n higher than 1 and actually taking measurements makes it more scientific.

>>140621419
Just ignore this kid, you can't win an argument with someone who just discards all evidence and logic as invalid.

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Can someone help me figure the sentence below?

> あんだけ女とっかえひっかえしてたクセに急に純愛ぶって
I have no clue what 女とっかえひっかえしてた is.

And the tiny part in the last panel:
> アイツのまわり
> ビッ４ばっかり (???)
> だしー

The context is that there's a guy who used to hang around women a lot (or women hanged around him) and he suddenly stopped because of light-hair character in the pic.

>>140621708
とっかえひっかえ is a phrase

No idea about the bottom one

>>140621708
>女とっかえひっかえしてた
とっかえひっかえ is a word.

>And the tiny part in the last panel:
It's ビッチばっかり.

ビッチ is slut(ty girl) in Japanese.

>>140621813
>ビッチ

wow that is some shitty ass handwriting

>>140621813
Oh damn I thought that was a 4... haha thank you!

>>140621765
Oh, I thought it was 2 verbs in sequence or something like that, thanks!

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>>140616309
Learned the kana over five years ago and didn't do anything with it. Around two years ago I had a crack at "proper study", which involved home made paper flash cards, huge amounts of drilling shit which I ended up forgetting within a few days, and basically a lot of looking for resources from the local public library due to not having an Internet connection at the time. That was a miserable failure and I ended up putting it aside entirely in favour of other things at the time.
Around six months ago I picked it back up, this time with an Internet connection and collected everything I needed and ended up spending nearly two months just reading about learning without acting starting. Massive procrastination problem, spent more time lurking these threads than anything else. New exactly what I had to do, even had it all planned out but didn't start.
It has taken the remainder of those two months up until 7/8 days ago to push myself to start. That's how bad I am with procrastination.

Pic related is at least for myself a representation of the start of progress and routine which has been missing from my life for over a decade. I want this post to serve as a starting point for a series of updates over the next two years, at intervals of next week, next month, the next three months, the next six months, etc. and to show myself and others that even if you are a completely useless fuck with no history of success or achievement, that you can do something long term and that you can learn Japanese.
A real sense of desperation is much more powerful than fleeting motivation.

>>140621970
Do it once per month I won't bother reading your shitty posts if you do it once a week

>>140622142
Re-read his post anon, that's some bad reading comprehension.

>1 week
>1 month
>3 months
>6 months

I'm giving up Anki after 6 years.

This became a waste of time, if not outright destructive, a long time ago but I thought I could power through it and find new methods.

Goodbye, reps.

>>140622306
It's stunning that you'd stick with something for 6 years without thinking "hey, maybe this isn't working out so hot".

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>>140622306

>reading 2ch
>see 再インスコしても治らん
>"even if he does science it doesn't help?"
>oh wait
>>140622306
Bwuh? 2 years of anki here and I just stopped adding new words because I stopped I mostly seeing them. Reading a game with a lot of unknown vocabulary now (maitetsu) but it's not unpleasant to just figure it out through context and the glossary as I read. Are you reading enough?

>>140621970
What's with these suspended 12310 cards?

つまんない
かまってかまって

>>140622306
I guess some people just are thick as fuck.

>>140622249
thats so fkn dumb

>>140622492
Not that guy, but it's not uncommon to have a huge vocab deck where you suspend all the cards, and unsuspend them one by one as you run into the words and find yourself wishing to learn them.

>>140622599
That's pretty uncommon actually

>>140622599
I've never heard of anyone doing this

>>140622647
I've heard of one person, but he actually wrote a script to support it, which I really don't think most people do.

>>140622599
Seems a bit silly when rikai import works in 98% of cases instantly.

>>140622380

It's mostly just the convenience of it.

>>140622647
I recall it being popular a few years ago when I first started doing Anki. Even did it for a while myself for a while before dropping Anki for a few years.
Though I guess the tools available nowadays make it pretty much obsolete, since mining is convenient and effective.

>>140621970
>100+ cards a day
Great, make sure you post when you burn out so I can add to my screencap collection of meme victims.

>旺
>effulgent
Come on, does he really have to use weird ass words like this?

>>140623089
Holy shit, I didn't even notice that. What a fucking retard.

>>140621131
> Upvoted
>xD
>>>/reddit/

>>140622927

The thinking on this used to change a lot, so you'd be advised to start doing something, come back and get told it's completely retarded and never to do it again.

>>140623089
>>140623203
His retention is 86% for learning and 92% for young so he's clearly going through material he already knows

>>140617232
I really wish vertical text caught on for other languages, at least for editing. It would finally solve the problem of mixed LTR and RTL text and save people from tearing their hair out.

>>140623102

Really only used in 旺盛 desu. Also, since you are doing Heisig I would recommend mining relevant vocab along the way. Will take a bit longer but that way you will actually know the onyomi by the end.

>>140624788
I can guarantee that whatever comparison you're trying to draw is pretty dumb.

>>140624788
Just watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40

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Daily reminder that Japanese people are accepting of weaboo's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiNBs18k5_M

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>>140624924
That actually made me pretty happy

>>140624924
Weaboos are the scum of this earth.

>>140624924
They look so weird. I bet they're gay.

>>140625103
That's just how Japanese people look.

>>140625253
No, I mean, I'm pretty sure they have make up on and look at their hair. They look very unnatural.

>>140625253
>implying they aren't 在日

>>140625337
Yeah I'm telling you that's just how Japanese people look. It's just the current fashion. Over here right now facial hair is popular fashion for men.

>>140625417
Sorry if your Japanese isn't good enough to recognize native and non-native accents.

>>140625471
You can be a korean born in Japan you know?

>>140625537
There's no reason to think that though. Statistically it's very unlikely. Koreans and Japanese are not as genetically different as the right wingers on 2ch would have you believe. It's like the difference between British and Germans or something.

>>140624924
Watching the clips made me cringe, it's nice that they're so accepting, though.

The cringe may or may not be due to how relatable the clips are, looking back

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>>140618985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76aRKpH3K_I

>>140618985
>>140626349
>>>/mu/
>>>/out/

>>140622715
how do you make this work i set up everything but when i press R it says saved but does not appear in deck

>tfw looking forward to starting anki so i can stop reading

>>140625666
what do you mean its unlikely there are korean neighborhoods dude

>>140618985
>listening to music while doing anki
I bet you wonder why you're retention is so low

>>140627978
My retention is 100%

>>140628143
Retain this
*unzips dick*

>>140628285

Zipped or unzipped, not even the greatest nihongo master could retain something that unmemorable.

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>>140628628

>>140628628
like your posting!!!!!!

>>140627953
Meaning that on average there are more Japanese in Japan than Koreans. Statistically if you come across someone who looks Japanese and speaks Japanese at a native level they are more likely to genetically be Japanese than Korean.

>>140618985
>long anki sessions
>song is only 30 minutes long
nice mem

>>140629473
is it really when it comes to young people? is it really?

think about it

>>140622306

I've started reading 2chan instead of doing anki.

I can feel my brain, so that probably means I'm learning.

>>140622492
Sorry for the late response, just finished the reviews for the day. Those suspended cards are from a deck which I have a personalised order for the upcoming cards and unsuspend a few days at a time and arrange the order at that point.

>>140623089
>>140623203
40 vocab card, 20 grammar cards, 20 kanji cards.

>>140629775
see you in japan ill know who to look for its the guy who talks in shit posts irl 爆笑

>>140629746
yep

>>140629825
your best friends are probably korean and lying to you

turn your back and they have half a dog hanging out of their mouth

>>140629911
>friends
spot the normie

>>140629824

This is like saying it's impossible to learn a language in the native country of it because you'll hear too much regional slang.

>>140630037

He didn't say anything like that at all though, are you drunk anon

>>140630346

For you.

>>140629996
woops バレたか

女とやったことあるぜ

>>140630037
if you say so i guess i aint gonna tell you what to think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpFhwapiKaA

What does the seconds part mean?

生憎と俺は聖職者ではなく、彼らとは真逆の立場にいる

>>140624924
>they're chill even towards such mental cases as those
Looks like I have nothing to worry about.

>>140631219
That's he's a total opposite of a cleric.

>>140631219
it means whoever is being spoken to is barking up the wrong tree

>>140619640
What are those autistic looking stunted humans?

>>140631661
Thanks, just wanted to double-check cause the sentence seemed to be a bit weird for me.

Just started to read flyable heart and got to the point where the guy inserts the usb stick. It's just so boring.

Installed an average eushully game instead. Can I make it?

>>140631890
no prolly not but that doesnt mean you shouldnt try

also good on you for pulling out of flyable fuck

>>140631890
If that sentence gave you trouble then no.

Actually you can if you keep at it.

>>140631661
>>140631666

I was trying to decide if it's まさか or まぎゃく.

It would mean pretty much the same thing whichever it was.

Need help translating these song lyrics :

前あ日、前あ不、前あ方
前あ母

前あ日、前あ不、前あ方
前あ母

前あ日、前あ不、前あ方
前あ母

アロ、サル、寸手う、うん這いづく
スィテログ、言うびれあ目あ、プリメステフェリシレア
アロ、アロ、スンツ絵う「Picasso」
ちーあむダト・ビプ、しすんとヴォイニク
ダルさすちい、ちえる二ミニク

>>140632014
Before Oh day, before Oh not, before Oh how
Before Oh mother

Before Oh day, before Oh not, before Oh how
Before Oh mother

Before Oh day, before Oh not, before Oh how
Before Oh mother

Aro, monkey, Sunte cormorant, brute crawl yeah
Suiterogu, Iubirea eyes Oh, Purime stearate ferricinium rare
Allo, allo, intends Suntsu picture "Picasso"
Qi Amudato-bi-flops, Sisson and vojnik
Dar SasuChii, Chieru two ugliness

>>140631940
>>140631974

Would it be offensive if I ask you guys for help here and there?

>>140631863
I forgot this was a Japanese thread

Whatu aru thosaru autisuticu struntedu peopre?

>>140632079

Sasuga Rikaichan.

>>140632098
just dont troll me dude its hard to know whos f o e nowadays

>>140632127

>doesn't understand Japanese phonetics

Low energy shitposting.

>Howotto aa zoozu oochisuchikku rukkingu sutanteddo hyuumanzu?

>>140632219
Not my intention. I guess I start reading then.

>>140632014
よだれひよだれひよだれひふー

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こいのぼりがおよぐきせつになったよ

おはようおにいちゃん

>>140631890
If you're not a pussy there's no reason to start with flyable heart I'm sure kamidori or something would be fine. Ikusa megami is above average difficulty though so I wouldn't recommend starting with that.

>>140632558
いもうとは苺ましまろ以外の好きなアニメはなに？

>>140632638
ぼくのぴこ

>>140632574
Just started Madou Koukaku. Is the difficulty comparable to kamidori?

>>140632638
「は」注目してね

What are easy and good manga to try besides Yotsubato?

>>140632799
「注目」注意してね

>>140632874
Watchman

>>140632887
「注意」中止してね

Production cards or recognition cards, which is better?

>>140632994
neither heres the cards you want

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbjXmBmHAdk

>>140632799
「は」は二回以上使ってはだめという決まりはないと思うけど？

>>140632994
Recognition will give you faster progress, production will ingrain the card into your mind stronger. I say go recognition because you'll be reinforcing what you see through reading to the point that you'll be able to produce visually and verbally eventually, but it really comes down to what works for you.

Also, if you want to be able to write, go for production but make sure that you learn stroke order using Jisho or something.

ン・ガソル連合国に奪われたセンタクスの街を奪還する。

What exactly did the allied nations stole? Their recovery-district, or industry-district or something like that? I don't understand that last part.

>>140634311
oh crap, forget it. Got it myself. That's awkward.

Anyone else admire those gentlemanly characters that use keigo exetremely well?
Especially when they have a great voice to boot.
I'm straight but I do that sort of schoolgirl sigh when I hear it done well.

>>140634609

fagit

>>140634609
I love reading keigo. It takes like 2 times the space to convey the same information so I feel like I'm reading at twice the speed.

>>140633857
thank you

>>140634609
Kageaki is a god

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>>140624924
http://www.fujitv.co.jp/ourhouse/index.html

>>140634609
I love how this astronaut speaks during his speech. His voice is really calming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8ciR2TMV2g
Couldn't find an English version but that isn't really important.
Going to have to get around finishing watching 宇宙兄弟 one day. Maybe after I start reading and catch up with the manga.

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I'm a Russian minor, but next semester I'm taking a Beginning Japanese course as an elective before going on a family trip to Tokyo and Hiroshima the following summer.

What am I in for? I assume three's lots of reddit-tier weebs wearing Death Note and Hatsune Miku merch while quoting anime? Professors that want to kill themselves because of those very same students?

Also where should I begin, considering I've never looked into learning japanese at all before now?

>>140636089

You will learn very little. Like, a phrase book and a few common words to form basic sentences. You won't be even less able to read the written language.

Japanese is very far removed from English which makes teaching in a non-intensive class almost pointless.

>>140636433
It's 5 days a week and my intoductory classes in other languages were fine.

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>>140636089
>Russian
>minor

>>140636537

If those other languages are European, it's not even comparable.

>>140636618
Nice meme, fitting in nicely I see. Next time try opting for a Costanza for a bit more street cred.

>>140636537
It's 5 days a week at my college and the only people I know who can speak decently after a couple years of the classes are the ones who already know Chinese.
Unlike most of this thread I don't actually think it's terrible to start out in a class, since the beginning is the most boring and it would make it more fun, plus you would have your teacher correcting your pronunciation to some extent. But if you want to get good you cannot rely on classes. You will eventually have to go much faster than your classes pace - enough to make classes a complete waste of time.

>>140636741
I'm just looking for some advice and pointers, your spergy superiority act is kinda grating TBQH.

>>140636618
It's one of the so called "critical" languages and it's given me a lot of opportunities with the government and companies working abroad, given japanese is a critical language too.

>>140636949
My goal isn't to get fluent right, at least right now, it's just to be able to even barely read/speak during our trip. I needed 3 more credit hours for my degree and I thought it'd be better to fill that gap with something useful rather than something retarded like Film Studies or whatever.

>>140637081
May as well go for it. I mean, you need those credits and there isn't anything you can lose by taking a class. You might even enjoy it.

>>140633616
それは別のことだ

「苺ましまろ以外の好きなアニメはなに」ってなんのことでしょうか

>>140636996
get a leg up on your peers by being able to sound more hood than any of them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8aHX4dlk4k

>>140637081
I wonder if Japanese people ever take Japanese classes to fill credit hours for an easy A. I would.
Plus you would probably have everyone sucking your dick and get to feel superior to them every class

>>140637174
>なんのことでしょうか
普通の日本語だよ

>>140637235
>I wonder if Japanese people ever take Japanese classes to fill credit hours for an easy A. I would.
Most universities don't allow natives to take classes like that.

>Plus you would probably have everyone sucking your dick and get to feel superior to them every class
Only if the individual was extremely insecure and rather pathetic.

>>140637235
In my Russian class, there were two Russian kids taking it, as well as a Russian-fluent Azerbijani guy. My mom always told stories about taking french classes and being pissed because french speaking Vietnamese immigrant kids would always take the classes and throw of the curve. I'd assume anyone who speaks another language would take it to fill their foreign language requirement or whatever.

>>140637278
誰に

>>140637368
ごめん、何言ってるかわかんないから英語で言ってくれないかな

>>140636996
That's the advice: don't expect to learn much in the classroom and do lots of self study if you want to get anywhere.
And enjoy your trip, Japan is pretty nice even if you don't know the language.

>>140636996

The advice is to not to expect to reach any level of competency from a class.

As >>140636949 mentioned. It's an introduction, at best.

Predictions for time to fluency are several thousand hours of efficient study.

By comparison, European languages will take a few hundred hours.

>>140636089
>Also where should I begin, considering I've never looked into learning japanese at all before now?
You should begin with reading the OP.

>>140636433

> goes to a pleb-tier community college

>>140636996
Can't be the only one that thought of a Russian teen at first

Also this >>140637571, read the fucking OP. Do you think the posters that happen to be around right now are going to give you better advice than the guide that's been worked on by multiple people and in use for fucking years? I get why people want to be spoonfed but I'll never understand the mentality behind creating a new post instead of consulting the guide that's literally tailored to their needs.

>>140637815
4 year universities are shit as well.

There's an easy way to tell if your college has worthwhile language classes, and that is if the class is taught entirely in the foreign language (after the first year or so)
The answer is no for most 4 year universities.

お前たちは外人豚です。

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>>140637914

This is why you should go to a good college.

お前たちは良い外国人友達です。

>>140637815

I finished a Master's degree 3 years ago, kid.

>>140638224
so how did you end up at djt dad

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>>140638224

>Master's degree
Really means nothing.

Also you still post on 4chan.

Should I learn all 2000 jouyou kanji or just the first 1000?

>>140638453
First 1006 to be precise

>>140638261
>>140638262

Normies who don't understand anonymous imageboards are the current pinnacle of human existence which will only be surpassed by full loli VR spaces for immersive cuteposting.

>>140638453

There's a guide, kid. By the way, I have a Master's degree.

>>140638262
>>140638542
>being this upset about being told
You sad fuck. If you're going to try and insult someone, don't get pissy when it backfires.

Can I make suspended cards not contribute to KanjiGrid?

>>140638453
You should learn the first 1000 words you encounter by reading. And then another 1000. And then some more until you don't encounter new words.

>>140638880

>You sad fuck
>don't get pissy

You first.

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>Start off reading just Tae Kim and Anki
>Getting frustrated with both
>Return to the guide
>Pick up James Heisig
I FEEL AS THOUGH A NEW WORLD OF UNDERSTANDING HAS BEEN OPENED UP TO ME.

>rikai is no longer working properly in 4chan text boxes
my quality of life has dramatically decreased, 2 year old habits don't break so easy

>>140639175
Until you read real Japanese.

>>140639203
What's wrong with Heisig and real Japanese?

>>140639280
The idea is that Heisig himself teaches only kanji which won't translate well to reading "real Japanese" which will require grammar and vocabulary

>>140639187
Newfag here.

What's rikai? I ctrl+f'd the guide and didn't find anything.

>>140639280
Nothing, I'm just shitposting.

>>140639355

Rikaichan/rikaisama. You can google it.

>>140639388
Thanks.

>薬九層倍
?

>>140639280

If Tyler Kim gave you trouble, then when you get back to reading Japanese it'll still be hard because all you've learned is a bunch of Chinese characters without their meanings.

>>140637460
それ以外では最初の質問はまだ未解決だなあ

なぜじゃろうのう

>>140639427

http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/61569/meaning/m0u/%E8%96%AC%E4%B9%9D%E5%B1%A4%E5%80%8D/

For example: when the sale price of a medicine is very high compared to the cost price, thus, an excessive profit is being greedily taken.

>>140639726
Why do you even spoonfeed him?

>>140639757

Because I wanted to find out what it meant, so I might as well convey what I learnt.

>>140639757
i think making people aware of exploitation is a good thing

>>140639757
I didn't want to be spoonfed. I just thought it was an interesting 四字熟語.

>>140639429
>>140639319
Guess I'll just keep Heisig as supplementary material then.

>>140639928
Well duh anon, it only teaches kanji, what were you going to do, learn nothing but kanji for months? Then what? Back at Anki and Tae Kim which you dislike. Though you should use heisig through anki for max results.

Do people generally use KanjiDamage for the Kunyomi + Onyomi or just the Onyomi?

>>140638084
No college is good at everything.

>>140639631
>それ以外では
なに

>>140640344
Most community colleges just aren't very good at anything.

>>140640419
Plenty of good colleges will not teach Japanese classes in full Japanese

>>140640654

Everyone has different definitions of "good". As far as I know, language instruction is excellent at the top tier universities and LACs.

>>140640756
>>140640654
Just go to some University, study hard by yourself and go one year for studying abroad to Japan. You will learn there more. I did the same.

>>140640756
If you claim that all the UCs besides Berkeley aren't good, your definition of "good" is wrong.

>>140640909

Yeah, UCLA is good too.

>>140640939
It's okay if you ever go to grad school or work at a top tier company you'll realize that your undergrad school's rank doesn't make you smart.

>>140641029

>undergrad school's rank doesn't make you smart

Doesn't that go without saying? However, there's better resources and opportunities at these top schools so you CAN work at a top tier company or move on to a top grad school.

>>140641221
> However, there's better resources and opportunities at these top schools
See >>140640344
Top tier colleges are better at more things, but there will be things they are not better at. This is especially true for grad school where faculty positions are hard to get so every department will have a couple of geniuses. That's my main point, which is why saying "top tier schools will have X" is silly. You could easily end up excluding something like MIT just because it doesn't focus on whatever intensive liberal arts thing you deem top schools should have.

>>140641401


Not sure what you mean by "intensive liberal arts thing". LACs (think Williams, Middlebury, Amherst) are liberal arts colleges.

MIT is actually excellent in the liberal arts, especially in language study (I have a couple of friends attending).

Of course no institution can have it all. But the general trend is these colleges have the prestige and funding to attract the better professors and students (which affects your classroom experience). That's why all I said was "As far as I know, language instruction is excellent at the top tier universities and LACs".

やっぱり大切なのはストリートで勉強することだ
タフな忍者の免状を手に入れて戦場に顔を出してくれ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NrPMXN8oT8

おれわにほん

>>140642527

ぼくもにほｎです

>>140641719
>"As far as I know, language instruction is excellent at the top tier universities and LACs".
This isn't necessarily true. I studied a language for 2.5 years at a top 5 school and learned at a terrible rate compared to self-studying Japanese with DJT.

>>140642995
Any class is going to be slow compared to what you are capable of doing yourself because classes are supposed to be 1/4 of your coursework each plus leaving you with some free time.

>>140642995

You need to supplement language study yourself as well. You still probably received better instruction in that language compared to "worse" schools (don't like to put it that way, but whatever).

Some of the Japanese majors at my school (top 15) leave at the N3 level, whereas some are N1 and good enough to land jobs in Tokyo.

>>140643251
we should have a djt party in tokyo once everyone gets there

>>140643300

Wouldn't that be fun?

>>140642995
The only level worth taking at my school was the highest, which required a placement exam and was designed to be impossible without some degree of past or accelerated self-study. You couldn't enter it by starting from 101.

I didn't get placed in it due to my shitty speaking skills from self-studying and ended up taking the typical senior-level course which was pretty much a waste of time, even though it was in japanese. Too much time wasted on stupid questions and catering to the slowest students.

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>cute girl
>uses boku
God-damnit, Japanese language strikes down another potentially good heroine

I did a short dialogue, are there any obvious mistakes here?

B: Hajimemashite. Brice-desu
S: Hajimemashite. Shawn-desu
B: Doozo yoroshiku (holds out hand)
S: Doozo yoroshiku (shakes hand).
B: Eigo wo hanashimasu ka?
S: Hai. hanashimasu. Nani jin desu-ka?
B: American jin desu.
S: Watashi mo
B: (rising tone) Soo desu ka? Shyushin wa?
S: <hometown>-desu. Anata Wa?
B: <hometown>-desu. (pause to look around) ii o tenki desu ne?
S: Soo desu ne. Nansai desu-ka?
B: Ju-Ku sai desu. Watashi wa san gatsu-desu.
S: (rising tone) Soo-desu ka? Watashi wa (month you were born in) gatsu-desu. Ni-Ju sai-desu.
B: Hontoo desu-ka?
S: Hai.
B: Senkou wa?
S: Physics desu.
B: Soo desu-ka.
S: Anata wa, Senkou wa?
B: Communications desu.
S: Anata wa Ohaio daigaku sei desu?
B: Hai, Anata wa?
S: Watashi mo.
B: (rising tone) Soo desu ka?
S: Hai.
B: Ryou desu ka? Aparto desu ka? Uchi desu ka?
S: Ryou desu?
B: Soo desu ka. Watashi mo.(short pause) Nihongo no kurasu wa nan yoobi desu ka?
S: Getsu yoobi desu. Gogo ichi ji desu.
B: Hontoo desu ka? Watashi mo!
S: Nihongo Kurasu suki desu ka?
B: Hai, suki desu.
S: J-pop suki desu ka?
B: Iie, suki ja arimasen.
S: Donna ongaku ga suki desu ka?
B: Rock to hiphop ga suki desu. Anata wa, Donna ongaku ga suki desu ka?
S: Dubstep ga suki desu.
B: (dropping tone) Soo desu ka.
S: Ima nanji desu ka?
B: Gogo nana ji desu.
S: Ahh, Sumimasen, mou osoi node watashi wa kaeri masu.
B: Ah! Denwa bango wa?
S: xxx-xxx-xxxx desu. Anata wa?
B: xxx-xxx-xxxx. (take out card) Mata watashi no meeshi desu.
S: Arigato gozaimasu. (take out card) Watashi no meeshi desu.
B: Arigato gozaimasu.
S: Sayonara!
B: Sayonara!

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I'm glad everything is translated these days and there is no reason to learn japanese

>>140643968
No mistakes in what I read of it

>>140643943
I feel you man bokukko are disgusting abominations

>>140643977
I'm glad to use funny memes too let's do it together

>>140643943
>hating boku
your taste is good

>>140643968
Sayonara!

ボク owns and cool ppl use it

>tfw romanji is arguably better for new learners but I still recommend hiragana to seem cool and it's "more Japanese" or whatever

>>140644193
Any time spent learning anything with romaji would be better spent learning hiragana... this fact is unarguable.

>>140644193
you're not wrong

>>140643943
I like オレっ娘 and don't mind ボクっ娘 personally. I'd probably like ボクっ娘 if it weren't for it reminding me of DJT's dumb forced memes.

>>140644193
do you think japanese people study english fully in katakana before they are ready for those difficult lil letters

>>140644307
It's honestly a tragedy of weeb media. 99% of bokus i hear are from males so hearing a girl use it is just like "what? do you want to sound like a boy?"

>>140644349
your life is a tragedy of weeb media

think about it

>>140643943
Boku is great for girls, as it shows that they have a bit more spirit than the average damsel.

>>140644280
>>140644282
I agree.
>>140644343
It's not like every human already knows the English alphabet or anything right?

>>140644399
that also goes for me obviously dont get it twisted

>>140644349

How do you explain all the Japanese songs with female singers with 僕?

>>140644399
Not really, weeb media saved my life

>>140644307
>Not using manservant is a forced meme
You're free to use it, seems like it suites you very well.

>>140644448
I want to clarify that I was speaking from my own perspective, not of universal perspective, obviously if ボク was something only boys said then girls wouldn't be saying it

>>140644448
what is there to explain examine the lyrical content and/or what the target audience is and understand why its appropriate dude

>>140644307
Boku is only bad when a man tries to use it.

>>140644349
That's why japanese think its kimoi too

>>140644448
Songs are different it's like it's not really the singer speaking.

Like sometimes men will sing songs written by woman and vice versa even if the song is clearly gendered and its not that weird

>>140644349
Do you feel the same way when a male uses 私?

>>140644642
Men actually say 私 in real life but women don't say 僕 in real life

>>140644593
you cant see it but im just flopping my dick around sayin boku boku boku boku boku

it got hard woops

>>140644642
no you dont understand the rules boys can do whatever they want its girls that have to be careful

>>140644701
>you cant see it but im just flopping my dick around sayin boku boku boku boku boku
Are you trying to simulate how it would move if you were riding another man's dick?

>>140644642
>le "私 is feminine" meme again

>>140644811
まあね

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5lIWti4VUw

Something about personal pronouns gets /djt/ very hard.

>>140645151
its a really easy topic for all people to join in and talk about and everyone has their own opinion on them

its pretty much the ultimate ice breaker

>>140645151
Most of the posters in DJT are beginners, so anything above that level might be a bit hard for them to confidently discuss.

>>140645239
>confidently discuss
Dude everyone is memeing out of their fucking asses, what are you taking this farce for, confident and serious discussion? Get real, dweeb.

>>140645302
Memeing is still discussion. Never said it was serious discussion. Beginners aren't usually going to meme about something that's way above their level that they don't understand at all.

>>140645223
>opinion
anyone who isn't an enormous weeb knows that boku for girls is objectively retarded

>>140645425
Boku for girls is hot as fuck. It makes you want to break them.

>>140645302
自信で話しましょうか
話題はケツマンコの具合です
ボクのはフレッシュで真っ白なtシャツのように

>>140645239
The things that beginners encounter tend to be far more complex than the things you encounter later. There is a lot to say about personal pronouns or about が/は and not much to say about the correct reading of 菎蒻

>>140645151

I agree, and unreasonably so as well. Let's just use our names instead of using 僕 or 俺 or 私. /debate

can someone tell me the difference between saying 自信で話しましょう and 自信を持って話しましょう

with confidence only of course please

>>140644883
私は男だわ！
勘違いしないでよね
ちゃんと男の人として接しなきゃぶーだからね

>>140646378
The form is incorrect japanese

>>140646480
what is and why

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>>140617492

I do 40 kanji, 40 vocab, 20 grammar (form the DOJG deck) a day

The longest part by far is the grammar, becuase i read the cards fully and it takes about 3-10 to read and comperhend each new card, review is faster but cloze with a hint is much harder than any kanji or vocab card since there are many synonyms and shit.

Just finished DBJG, and so I will keep reviewing and cut my cards per day to 10.

I started DOJG 10 days ago and the vocab/kanji 23 days ago. It took me 195 minutes to finish the 600 cards I had today, and the grammar took more than half of the time, even thought it only had 1/5th (120) of the cards.

I get distracted a lot, whether by imageboards or by looking up the kanji on jisho/reading random koohi mnemonics or w/e, and coldturkey can't help with the later 2.

Vocab is by far the easiest and I'm on tract to finish the 1320/2200 remaining kanji in 33 days, and the remaining vocab (if I cut grammar to 10/day) in 40 days, after that, I'll start learning vocab in earnest (probably double my vocab learning if I don't burn out by then), and hopefully it'd be smooth sailing.

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>>140646378
First tell us what the fuck are you trying to say

>>140646714
how are you doing kanji?

>>140646993
後者は日本語として通じるから
いいたいのはそれなんじゃない？

>>140637235

I'm fluent(native tongue) in Russian and I'm not allowed to take any of the Russian classes.

Like, if they don't find out it's okay, but it's impossible because you'll have to fake an accent and not knowing the language and such...

>>140636996

хуле уроки японского берешь пиндосяра

все равно по книжке "гренки" весь курс разработан

скачай с озвучкой - и получишь то же самое

и вообще зачем тебе та хуёвая книжка

лучше прочитай ОП и выбери сам себе свой путь

>>140647126

koohi/heisig method

i use the nihongoshark deck

It's very convenient because you have up to 3 different mnemonics and a link to the jisho entry and the koohi entry of every kanji

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I like girls who use 僕. It's like they're calling themselves "your servant."

Another thing I really like is お主 as a second-person pronoun.

>>140647792
>girls
they're not real, they're just drawings
they don't exist

>>140647792
>I like girls who use 僕. It's like they're calling themselves "your servant."
俺はそんな認識まったくないな
お転婆さんアピールにしか聞こえないから正直キモイ

>>140647913
They exist... I know this because I talk to them and they reply.

>>140647944

How about the ones that don't reply? Do they still exist?

>>140646993
is 4chan still broke

anyway its to implore people 話す with 自信

自信満々 also acceptable

in addition 腹黒い言葉で話しましょう and 自信満々な態度で話しましょう are things that you can (not should) say

however 自信で話しましょう is wrong

なぜですか

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I can't get KanjiGrid to order correctly when sorting by "order found" with the Core10K deck. I've tried everything I can think of but nothing works.

Anyone know how to fix this?

>>140647995
I haven't encountered them yet.

>>140618985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0KJwIYBBOM

>>140648132
Is it possible that that is the order and you're the one learning them randomly?

>>140646651
You just feel it.

>>140648038
「なぜXは言わないんだ？」と聞かれたら「普通はYを言うからだ」としか答えられないことが多いですね
言語って難しい

>>140648356
あん…ああんっ…感じちゃう!!!

>>140648435
日本語が勝手にでちゃううう

who else here is watching the new GOT episode with japanese dubbing?

>>140648553
Who let you out of your hole?

>>140616309
Question, is there a connection between the word 立派 and the Australianese word "ripper"? As in "Damo you bloody ripper!"
Is it possible that Australia and Japan were once connected? Or is this just a coincidence...

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>>140648281
No, I'm learning them in the due order, though the due order seems kind of fucked up.

Like, I get several words in a row all using the same kanji, but whereas you would expect the deck to start on easy kanji like 一, 日, 今, etc., the first kanji to appear in this deck were 外 and 観 (from the word 外観).

As you can see from pic related when I sort KanjiGrid by JLPT order, I'm getting a lot of fairly advanced kanji considering I'm only two weeks into the deck.

I'm wondering if someone uploaded this deck to the CoR as a troll or something. I only picked it over the 6K deck because this one was labelled "further optimised", while the 6K deck was merely labelled "optimised".

>>140648903
なんと馬鹿らしい発想

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>>140649047
And to prove I'm not doing the cards in a random order.

>>140649238
Stop fucking around and go study.

>>140649358
I've already done my reps for the day. It's 4am here anyway and I'm drinking now so I'm not really in the condition to study anymore today.

>>140648553
im not good with acronyms which anime was that again

>>140649047
guess the order is fucked but does it really matter in the end? Once you get enough cards it'll fill itself up and look like you somewhat did it in order anyway (maybe not but who cares)

kanji grids are just masturbation aids

A 虫 just crawled up my 尿道 and it's eating my チンポ from within!

>>140649668
>guess the order is fucked but does it really matter in the end?
>kanji grids are just masturbation aids
I wasn't interested in KanjiGrid as a means of showing off, I wanted to use it as a way of ordering the kanji in the deck to facilitate writing practice. Additionally, I was going to use it to visualise which kanji I was weak on so I could devote extra time to them.

It seems as though I won't be able to do that now though. I've checked the Core6K deck and that orders correctly with kanjigrid, so I'm thinking of starting over with that deck, though it'll mean I've wasted two weeks on this one reviewing cards that probably won't show up in the 6K deck for months.

>>140649935
in 2016, writing practice is just masturbation aids

shut the fuck up about pronouns jesus christ

>>140650028
shut the fuck up ボク motherfucker

>>140644448
Less syllables than 私

>>140650028
i tried to get them to dude and then here you come fuckin everything up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH3DilJm63U

>>140649990
Isn't writing supposed to help reinforce your memory?

>>140650194
no writing is pointless in all forms and if its handwritten its not worth reading because it should just be typed out on a computer anyway

>>140650194
No, you are not allowed to study kanji or writing because some people here say it's useless.

>>140650028
あっ
私たち一人称の話してたんだね、
私は「私」を使ったほうが大人って感じがして一番いいと思うけど、
君はどうなの？

>>140650194
Obviously writing helps reinforce your memory of the kanji, since you spend lots of extra time around those kanji.

But if you instead spent that time reading, or doing vocab, that would also help reinforce your memory and also actually help you with other more useful aspects of Japanese. It's not that writing is completely useless, it's that the time is more efficiently spent elsewhere.

>>140650194
Maybe if you live in the 80s and can't just use anki.
I used to write kanji a bunch of times as I learned them until I realized how much time that wastes, never felt like I knew the kanji I spent time writing any better than all other ones.

>>140650194
writing is for writing

you write to get better at writing

it's useless if you do not want to learn how to write

>last day at work
>a month of freedom before my flight to nipland and potentially years of wageslavery
What should I do for this month?

>>140650598
absolutely it has no effect on any other use of the language whatsoever

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Anyone got recommendations for kodomo anime for practice purposes? Even shonen/shojo is a bit too hard to understand for me.

Some liquid just came out of オレの尻 while doing reps. What are the best adult お襁褓 for studying?

>>140651274
Pokémon. The openings have the lyrics with furigana and the the plot usually isn't very complex so you don't really need that much vocab to understand most of the episodes.

>>140651908
Thanks! I'll download some raws.

What's the link for the wiki that introduces hiragana/katakana like 5 at a time in a wiki style? it used to be on the guide but it's not there anymore.

>>140651274
I don't know if it's hard because you don't know that many words/kanji or if it's just listening ability, but Yu-Gi-Oh's pretty easy once you learn all the duel terminology (playing one of the psp games is a good way to do that).

>>140652006
A mix of both, to be honest. I'll check Yu-Gi-Oh out, thanks.

>>140651274
Just watch precure or whatever little girl anime you want and stop caring about understanding 100% of it.
Toddler shit is going to put you to sleep.

>>140652089
GX is a good place to start since it doesn't have much of a plot at first beyond funny filler episodes. The original has characters monologuing about Egypt half the time so it's a bit less accessible.

>>140646714
Realize I'm late but if you haven't done grammar before you might want to start with an intro guide to grammar like Tae Kim or Japanese the Manga Way before DOJG. There's a lot that DOJG doesn't touch fully on about basic grammar, particularly verb conjugations, and it's formatting/layout is not really designed to introduce things to you in a logical order.

>>140649935
This is a known "issue" with kanjigrid. The order found index is not the order presented index.

Finished Satsukoi, it was ok, spent a decent amount of time being bored though. I liked the ending though (the Yuu route which I guess is the "true" ending.)

>>140652429
Any idea how to fix it? I'm guessing it involves changing some line in the Kanji_grid.py file.

>>140652590
My favorite part was where 妹 dies.

>>140652808
FUCK man ネタバレ dude

>>140652808
At least she was able to lend them a hand before going out

>>140653159
>>140653285
Yeah it was so intense, how could she be eaten? I can't believe it to this day... I still mourn for 妹 how could she be dead?!

>>140652590
Thinking about reading it for the dead imouto shenanigans but it's a no go if it's boring everywhere else.

>>140652751
No idea, sorry.

ドラゴンボールを集めましょう
妹再生の願いはきっと叶うよ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRGrxvUcpzQ

>>140653997
I mean it's not bad. There are really interesting parts here and there. But it's interspersed with high school bullshit

If you're slightly interested in reading it I'd say just do it, it's really short.

>>140654230
He isn't actually interested, he just wanted to post the spoiler again. He probably isn't even learning Japanese.

>>140654469
im yung and fresh like my white t shirt 真っ白だぜどんな白よりも　超輝きすぎて目がつぶれそう my white t shirt yeah white t shirt

Out of curiosity, which has better results when it comes to machine translation. Chinese or Japanese.

>>140654877
How would we know? This is a language learning thread.

>>140654877
Japanese has a success rate of 14.56%, Chinese has a success rate of 86.94% for machine translations of sentences with medium complexity.

>>140654877
i would say chinese by a lot

>>140655229
Thanks for the info.

how do people use the dojg deck am i just supposed to flip it and then read? the first side of the card makes no sense at all.

>>140655914
Do you somehow get the cards right the first time you see them in your vocab deck?

>>140655944
no, but how am i supposed to guess what the card is talking about with the weak ass description it gives. i've already read what the first few cards talk about on tae kim but the first side still makes no sense at all.

>>140654230
>But it's interspersed with high school bullshit
Do you have no sense of humour or something? The high school scenes are short, quick and generally pretty funny, and they make a great change of pace from the serious scenes to lighten the mood every now and again. The VN would be much weaker without them.

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does this say what I think it says?

>>140656991
What do you think it says?