They just had to add an Omni-God didn't they?

>>140628427
>Omni-God
This isn't confirmed yet is it?

>>140629003
His name literally means "King of All"

>>140629186
Makes King Kai seem like a total chump then. He's now 4 tiers down?

>>140628427
>Does this look like the face of mercy.jpg

>>140629272
What about Dende and Kami?

Remember when everyone thought Kami was the sole god?

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>>140628427
WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

>>140629272
King Kai isn't even the only person at his rank in the hierarchy

Why did Hit job to Monaco?

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>>140630281
he couldnt handle the power of the nipple

>>140630281
Goku taught him to be honorruber samurai so wrecking a scrub like manoko wasn't budo so he jobbed

>>140630281
Only kinda related, but it's pretty much confirmed that Hit could kick Champa's ass right now isn't it?

>>140630320
>Hercule 2.0
Might as well just had hercule in his spot.

>>140630281

Goku knew about it. They both threw their fights because Champa said they were pawns.

Beerus and Champa are still antagonists.

>>140630446
>tfw monaka made the delayed magaton punch a real thing

>>140630502
megaton*

>>140630474
>Beerus and Champa are still antagonists.
doubt it
they were shitting their pants when zeno appeared

>>140630446
I want to see who'd actually win in a fight between them.

>>140630570
Monaka took a punch from Goku and beat Hit.

Not even THE CHAMP can stand against that kind of power.

>>140630281
>>140630474
Bullshit.

Goku is still clueless. And Hit did not job to Monaka to pay Goku back for throwing their match.

He did it because he knew Monaka was a joke, but he doesn't want Goku to know that. Because as long as Goku thinks that there is someone that strong out there, he won't stop pushing himself to get better.

Which is what Hit wants. A fighter on his level that will continue to improve along side him.

>>140631046
>DB is a YGO sequel and Kaiba has effectively managed to conquer the multiverse through card games

>>140631046
?

>>140630062
They're not gods..they're just guardians.

>>140631046
Is that a Gold Blue Eyes Caucasion Dragon?

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looks painful

>>140628427

So what's the hierarchy again?

King of Everything (Multiverse)
Grand Kai / Supreme Kai (Universal: All Worlds)
King Kai (1/4 of a universe, living world only?)

>>140630981
Exactly.

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>>140631531
It's just Goku's boneitis acting up again

>>140631531
Maybe he shouldn't have gone KKx10SSB for 5 minutes while standing around talking.

>>140631046
YOU DO REALIZE SOME OF THE ANIMATORS FROM YUGIOH WORK ON SUPER RIGHT? Toriyama actually was a fan of the monster designs and gave them the option to create zarama from one of the yugioh dragons loosely.

There ya go. And also explains why the fights and action sucks........

>>140631621
Tentou kaio is omniverse

>>140631766
>zarama
Who?

Super dragon balls.
Super saiyan god super saiyan.
Super God.

The guy isn't Omni-God, he's Super God.

>>140631621
The Supreme Kai each guard one quartant of the universe, with Grand Supreme Kai leading them and thus being the guardian of the entire universe
Kaios work on a galaxy level

>>140630446
>Satan goes to Bill's planet.
>Spends a few days there.
>Goku and Vegeta come back from the chamber, Bills tells them that he made an incredible training with Satan that allowed him to surpass everyone. Goku, being an idiot, believes him. Vegeta doesn't care.
>Then everything unravels just the same, but with Satan instead of Monaka.

>>140631876
Lol zarama is from the super dragonballs and is supposed to be the original dragon. (zarama is the one we see for the preview in episode 41).

>>140630446
>hercule
Goku knows how weak Satan is though - yes, Satan, get that 4kids shit out of here.

>>140631127
That's the super dragon ball's dragon.

>>140631908
hm thanks for the info

>>140632051
So glad they didn't make this mistake in the Kai dub

Until the end of the series, there will be things more important than the god of everything.

>there must be something stronger than goku after all that happened in DB
>so, let's say he's part of this race that becomes stronger by getting btfo and present people in the same race that are stronger

>but now he needs to become stronger than his race
>kaioken

>kaioken is not enough to kill frieza, who's the strongest in universe
>sure, let's pull from no where a transformation

>so, there was this evil mind who thought he should make an android with saiyan dna that is stronger than a super saiyan, because it is super saiyan and has lots of other perks too
>so, super saiyan 2

>but oh no, there was this thing that was stronger than cell 1000 years ago... and now it is alive
>sure, super saiyan 3

>but this thing became stronger, stronger than any individual can be
>can it be stronger than two individuals fused together?

>yes, it can
>then let's fuse as super saiyans

>it's not strong yet
>but it is not stronger than the whole earth

>but it is a god
>so, we can be gods too

>even when frieza is stronger than a god?
>sure, because gods are super saiyans aswell

>ah come on, there is no limit to this bullshit now

>can it be stronger than time itself
>well, if you get a saiyan, transform it to be a god, who will become super saiyan while he is a god and put kaioken sauce all over it, it can be stronger than time

>>140631908

Is there a grand supreme kai in gokus universe? If i rmember the Fat kai got absorbed by buu.

>>140631908
In ultimate, jyuubei was the gaurdian of the universe, but was also ALL the neutral energy of all reality.

Ekushiaru are all 1000's of dragons merged into the original god dragon. He is all the negative energy of all reality.

Tentou kaio was all the positive energy of all reality.

3 gods of balance. It started with tentou and ekushiaru. Jyuubei was born as a result. Rashouman (death), NU is TIME itself. Nu was actually created because susaano had deep appreciation for chrono trigger. Instead of manipulating time, NU is time.

THE purpose of ssj9 son goku was to break the cycle of the gods (he becomes omnipotent at the end). The prodigy children (born of high pl) were thought to be the ones to break it, but the gods made a mistake and overlooked son goku. They said he had a unique fighting spirit given all his disadvantages. Tentou put him through the trials to separate mind, body, spirit, transcend death and surpass the 3 gods of all reality (omniverse). Disgusting

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>>140632694
>this entire post

>>140632753
Its true. Take it how you want it. If you find it rediculous now I guess it won't be when toei drops it..... Which will be hypocritical as hell just because an anon talks about it, its immediately debunked.

Everything i have predicted already happened.... Because they weren't predictions.

Mark my words:
>Goku will transform atleast twice until this series are over (bear in mind Goku SSGSS is different from Goku SSGSS Kaioken, and multiple numbers do not count)
>Gogeta will make an appearance
>they will meet more universes than 6 and 7
>they will find an alternative Goku in another universe

I won't even be surprised if this goes into season 2 and Vegotenkaroto SSGSS3 (Gotenks potara fused with Gogeta) ends up fighting Akira's massive ego to see who will rule the over-universe (which is past the 12 universes already known)

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>>140631531

Do Goku still recalls the memories of Vegeta fucking Bulma from the times they were fused together?

>>140628427
ok

if he is the king of everything this implies he owns everything, but who made everything?

>>140628427
Why does this bloke look so familiar?

I know this design from somewhere.

>>140631383
Is there any reference in Pre Z Dragon Ball there were higher cosmic forces than Kami

>>140633378
Toriyama

>>140633456
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxDjpAdZuIs

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>>140633456
fair enough

>>140633144
Anon Gogeta is not canon, i know it's the obvious result of a fusion but so far not a single movie character has shown up in any of the new DBZ canon material. If anything, Vegito will show up.

>>140633711
Anon, DBZ is so fucked up even it's canon is non-canon by now.

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>>140628427
>implying there wasn't always one

>>140633858
all the movie, videogame, fan fiction characters are not canon
the only vegeta goku canon fusions are vegeku and veku

>>140633858
its a good thing that broly will never be canon

>>140634056
Agreed. My god is he a boring villain, why the fanbase likes him so much is beyond me.

>>140630442
Eh, he only flinched because Goku AND hit glared at him.

I mean, Whis stated that if Goku and Vegeta worked together they could take down Beerus, and since Hit is on par with Goku, it's likely they have the same, if not a better chance.

>>140631531
Looks painful as fuck. But it looks something a sensu bean would insta heal.

>>140631531
That's gonna be a nice Zenkai-boost.

>>140634162
he flinched because he's a spoiled dumbass, I suppose Beerus wouldn't give a fuck

>>140633985
>veku is canon
nys

>>140634056
You now are thinking the fusion of Whis and Vados

>>140634245
yes I know
that is fat gotenks
veku is not canon

>>140634219
no self-inflicted injuries my friend

>>140634304
Get out of 4chan, you don't know a single thing about the most popular anime outside Japan at all.

>>140634162
Hit and Goku are also way stronger than Goku and Vegeta were when Whis told them that.

>>140634334
But he used it to fight? I don't know how that works anymore.

>>140633711
Bardock was filler character at first then he became canon.So was Vegeta's brother.

>>140634127
yeah his maximum power gimmick got old real fast

>>140634530
There are so much stuff going on I doubt Toriyama remembers what Zenkai is.

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>>140634386

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Goku is now a pansexual alien monkey, who was influenced by earth's cis male population to have the wrong sexuality. I am glad Super corrected this and stoped making such a oppressing cis male.

>>140634724
Good thing SJWs do not care about anime, otherwise they'd flip their shit out on this scene.

>>140631531
I haven't watched the episode yet, so Goku push his body to its limits and even then he couldn't beat Hit? Is Hit the strongest DB character to date that is not Bills and Whis, or Goku just fucked up trying out his new technique?

>>140634724
>Goku is now a pansexual alien monkey
please stop oppressing Goku. Putting people in sexual groups is problematic.

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this thread is full of outsiders
I'm out

>>140634724
Is that a sexual organ?

>>140634771
no
goku walks out of the ring because beerus doesn't want to get rid of the no killing rule

>>140634767
>le SJW boogeyman

>>140634820
Good riddance

>>140634162
>Goku and Vegita are both SSGSS
>Equal Power
>Both working together would destroy Beerus
>Time Skip
>Goku's SSGSS X10 Kaioken is 10x more powerful than his SSGSS form.
>This means Goku is 5x more powerful than Vegita + Goku SSGSS
>Hit is equal
>Both Hit and Goku put together are 10x more powerful than Vegita + Goku SSGSS
>Beerus and Champa still want to fuck with them.
>Kek

>>140635055
Beerus seemed confident he could beat Goku.

Also Hit was apparently holding back and could have killed Goku a countless number of times

>>140635144
Whis stated that Goku and Vegita could beat Beerus if they worked together. I am not wrong on that part. Plus the god's of destruction have massive egos. Confidence is irrelevant.

Hit is probably more powerful. I agree with you on that.

>>140631876
Dragon God summoned by the Super Dragon Balls

>>140632452
Old Kai, maybe? Shouldn't some new Kais have grown by now since the others are dead?

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>>140635250
>>140635055
Fuck Power Levels

https://youtu.be/eDsfkEbmWNY?t=20s

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I came here to fuck bitches

Why hasn't Goku taken a Senzu bean?

>>140635055
Power levels are bullshit.

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>>140635425

>>140635055
Harder to fight two people both at X than one person at 2X in the DB universe.

Is there any news for the manga? I want to catch up with this multiversal tournament but can't be arsed to watch dozens of episodes.

>>140633300
lol

>>140635592
This is not 2x more powerful.
>Beerus = 2 SSGSS
>Both Champa and Beerus = 4 SSGSS
>Hit and Goku = 20 SSGSS
>20/4 = 5
> Both Hit and Goku are 5x more powerful than Beerus and Champa put together.

>>140635425
It will really hurt Toriyama to make a more prominent design? I mean, Supreme Kai and Kibito look somewhat intimidating, the first time they are introduced you practically shit your pants.

>>140635741
Also, that's not how power levels work. It's the same for Goku being a 6, beerus a 10 and whis a 15.

>>140635771
>the first time they are introduced you practically shit your pants.

No?
In what universe were Kaio Shin and his pal "intimidating"?

>Kaioken makes Goku 2x as strong
>Kaioken 10x makes Goku 10x as strong
How Kaioken 2x works?

>Champa being a cunt.
>Beerus being a cunt.
>Monka was useless.
>King of Everything.
Man, fuckin done with this show, dont even care anymore.

>>140635875
>Goku being a 6, beerus a 10 and whis a 15
>This statement was made BOTG arc. This was also before SSGSS was made.
>Goku is now > 10x more powerful than when he was a 6.
>6*10=60
>Beerus = 10, Whis = 15, Goku > 60.

>>140635953
It doesn't exist

>>140636022
30 1s wouldn't beat beerus (a 10).

>>140636008
I was expecting Beerus to be more down to Earth and happy with everything. Wasn't expecting him to threaten to kill Goku if he tried to help U6. I''m more amazed that Goku actually backed down instead of SENZU BEAN!

>>140636022
take what Toriyama says with a grain of salt.

That old guy has a horrible memory, I mean shit the only reason Launch is gone is because he forgot about her.

>>140635741
Power levels are retarded since the Cell Saga. Please get over with it and ignore it.

>>140636094
30 1s wouldn't beat beerus (a 10).
>This is not 20 1s. This is 1 60.

>>140636022
You can think of it as raw battle technique not necessarily power.

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>>140635911
by the time kaioshin showed up, we all knew how toriyama liked making powerful manlets.

>>140636148
You can think of it as raw battle technique not necessarily power.
>Literally stated in the Manga to be a power-boost/Transformation.

>>140635771
Toriyama is the King of non-intimidating characters
Vegeta (Manlet with a tail)
Freeza
The Androids
Cell (Giant bug man)
Buu (Bubblegum Idiot)

>>140636259
Combination of power and Technique

You can be powerful and suck at fighting (Gohan)

>>140636121
Toriyama forgot that SSJ2 existed.
He had to be reminded by the movie cast.

Toriyama not only forgot that a SSJ between the regular SSJ and the long haired SSJ existed, but he also forgot they were numbered.

>>140636325
Combination of power and Technique.
>Wouldn't that make him ever MORE powerful than Beerus?

>>140628427
I sure hope Toriyama is finally done with adding more and more higher-ups to the whole god bureaucracy Dragon Ball has going on.

So why did this guy show anyway? Did Beerus and Champa break some rules?

>>140636397
Not if Beerus has vastly superior technique

>>140631689
I guess it's because once he stopped he wouldn't have enough energy left to summon it again. Like those times you are so tired and strain by a physical activity that you know that once you sit down that's it, you won't be able to keep going unless you rest.

>>140636510
well they seem to be creating guys who can eventually beat them so maybe king of errything sees how retarded they are being and wants to stop it. or maybe it's all that and he is impressed.

or maybe he really wants bulma's strawberry ice cream.

>>140636022
Assuming Toriyama isn't completely full of shit huge assumption here then it would have to be a logarithmic/exponential scale, like the acid/base scale. Every point is a factor of 10 difference. If 10 = 50, 11 = 500, 12 = 5000, 13 = 50000, etc.

Assume Goku's power level is 1 billion

Goku = 6, at 1 billion
Beerus = 10, 1 billion x 1000 = 1 trillion
Whis = 15, 1 trillion x 10,000 = 10 quadrillion

Makes a lot more sense than Goku being 4x stronger than Whis but still being on par with Hit, who is weaker than Beerus.

>>140636530
Not if Beerus has vastly superior technique
>Goku + Vegeta SSGSS have same level of technique.
Goku + Vegeta SSGSS > Beerus (As stated by Whis himself)
>Kaioken boosts both power and technique.
>Kaioken x10 SSGSS = SSGSS (Power + Technique) x10
>Kaioken x10 SSGSS Goku > Goku + Vegeta SSGSS
>Beerus < Kaioken x10 SSGSS

>>140636702
Adding to this, Goku's kaioken x 10 would only put him at 7, not 60

>>140636702
If this was true, Goku was literally 0.1% of Beerus when they fought, he should have been able to defeat him with a single finger

>>140636702
Goku = 6, at 1 billion
Beerus = 10, 1 billion x 1000 = 1 trillion
Whis = 15, 1 trillion x 10,000 = 10 quadrillion

>Goku SSGSS = Vegeta SSGSS (6)

>Goku SSGSS + Vegita = 2 Billion

>2 Billion > 1 Trillion (As stated by Whis)?

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>>140633378
That's the next God Toriyama will introduce.

With more Gods to come after that.

Its not just about power levels senpai, you have to think about strategy too
He didn't say that they're raw power would be greater, he said they could defeat him

>>140633378
The Dragon that they're trying to summon?

>>140636891
>>140636840
Look man I don't make the math. Blame Toriyama for being a shit writer.

>>140636954
>>140636891

>>140636954
Its not just about power levels senpai, you have to think about strategy too
He didn't say that they're raw power would be greater, he said they could defeat him

>Kaioken is a technique + power boost.

>Kaioken x10 SSGSS improves SSGSS's power + technique x10

>>140632425
Imagine Broly fighting against this. Poor Broly. His power ain't maximum no more.

>>140636022
>>140636702
>>140636891
Stop with the fucking math, you fucking autists.
You know full fucking well that Toriyama only ever intended power levels to be abstract and that scouters being unreliable was to convey that you should never try to put an exact number on strength.

>>140636925
Best DBZ girl

>>140637120
Imagine Broly undergoing the same training as Goku. Dude was BORN with over 9000 powerlevel.

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>yfw Broly is the God of the Omnigod

>>140636891
oy vey

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>>140637120
Your lack of faith in his abilities is disturbing.

>>140637138
Stop with the fucking math, you fucking autists
>It does not need math if it is common sense.

>>140632425
>sure, let's pull from no where a transformation
the whole story back then was about the legenday super saiyan how the fuck is it pulled from nowhere?

>I mean, Whis stated that if Goku and Vegeta worked together they could take down Beerus

FRIEZA, not Beerus.

I swear you guys don't know anything.

>>140634219
>>140634334

That's not how zenkai works retards
It has to be a near fatal wound

>>140637211
FRIEZA, not Beerus.
Actually, it was both Frieza and Beerus.

>>140628427
How long before they add a God of Omni-Gods?

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>>140628427

Is that thing an axolotl?

>>140635055
And who says that Beerus didn't improve 10 times as well during the time skip?

>>140637209
>the whole story back then was about the legenday super saiyan how the fuck is it pulled from nowhere?
What the shit anon?

They asspulled the "legendary super saiyan out of nowhere from vegeta in some namek episode.

>>140637386
And who says that Beerus didn't improve 10 times as well during the time skip?
>Beerus was sleeping and eating. He never trains.

>>140635502
Perhaps he doesn't think he need one. I don't know how much time they take to grow and be available, he could prefer to save it up in case someone needs one at another time. If he'll survive, Dende can heal him.

>>140628427
So Christians and monotheists in general are supposed to believe only on this thing treating every other god as bitchy powerful beings pretending to be gods?

>>140635953
Actually, Kaio Ken simply makes you stronger; it's not that Kaio Ken by default makes you 2 times stronger. You can use 1.5 Kaio Ken, 4.7 Kaio Ken, whatever you want. When Goku used it the first time, it made him roughly 2x stronger, since that's all he couldn't handle, so his first Kaio Ken was actually 2x Kaio Ken. When he fought Vegeta and he said 4x Kaio Ken it didn't mean "four times the KK that made me twice stronger, so I'm now 8 times as powerful", but "I'll do a Kaio Ken that allows me to be 4 times as powerful as normal".
When they say that the Kaio Ken is making him 10 times stronger, they are talking in general. It feels more or less as if his power level increased a 10-fold. It's not that they are measuring it with some kind of tool right now. In any case, they mean that 10x Kaio Ken is his normal power increased 10 times.

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>>140632425
>sure, let's pull from no where a transformation
Stopped reading right there. You're a retard.

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Kaio-what ?

>>140636335
To be honest, is that even important? Power levels are fluctuating and became retarded a long time ago. They'll never make sense. They always think of the now. Right now, Goku is becoming a threat, but still not as powerful as Beerus. If they keep doing works for 10 more years, Beerus will be the next Piccolo, a nice memory of someone who was once powerful.

>>140637386
And who says didn't Satan while traveling found Gero destroyed lab and blueprints which that had as cause to lid a mad scientist flame inside him?
After that he was secretly collecting genetic materials from sayian broke down their dna made some improvement and then injected himself with it become super strong and now he just waiting for the right moment to make his move
Who says this is not happening?

you're retarded

>>140637156
Well, in DB Heroes he'll eventually get there, I guess. SSJGSSJ Broly, or SSJBluely.

>>140637995
Goku is becoming a threat, but still not as powerful as Beerus.
>SSGSS Goku + SSGSS Vegeta = SSGSS x2
>Beerus < SSGSS x2 (As stated by Whis)
>SSGSS Kaioken x10 = SSGSS x10.
>SSGSS x10 > Beerus

>>140637852
>tfw retards have turned asspull into a buzzword

>>140638117
>Beerus < SSGSS x2 (As stated by Whis)
When?

>>140637852
>Vegeta killed Nappa so he could keep all the human puss to himself

>>140637830
A long time ago, it was established SS was the equivalent of a KK times 50. It was implied he stop Kaio Ken because SS was a better version of it.

Since then, the SS form was proven to have absolutly nothing to do with the Kaio Ken. Why not combine both ? Because it would be hard to manage the aura, like Goku said during the match. Why didn't he tried before ? Simple:
> Against Frieza
SS was more than enough
> Against Cell
He wanted Gohan to do the job
> Against Buu
SS3 was enough and it wasn't time for experimenting when absolutly everyone else was dead.
> Against Beerus
He just discovered God form and probably wasn't thinking straight

>>140638213
>During the time Goku and Vegeta where training as Beerus's planet.

>>140638369
I don't recall him saying that Goku and Vegeta would be more powerful than Beerus
I remember he saying something like they would be able to defeat him, but that doesn't mean their power would exceed that of Beerus

>>140636702
You're doing it wrong. Toriyama isn't a nerd, he's not talking about logarithm, he's talking about people. About rating people. You know how.

Think about it: do you think sleeping with four 2's is the same as sleeping with a 8 ?

OF COURSE NOT !

>>140638433
You're wasting your breath with idiots that would fight with the scouter.

>>140638433
We don't even know if Whis taught them everything there is to know yet. So even if he said that EVENTUALLY the two of them together could defeat Beerus, it doesn't mean that right now they can.

>>140638524
That's like in Xenoverse when you can 1v1 any kind of bot, but they can fuck your shit up with 4 Yamcha vs 1 if you don't have AOE techs.

>>140638524

>Uses a real life example to compare with power levels
>Uses an example of 3d women and sex on /a/

You really need to go back to whatever turd hole you came from.

>>140638619
No. Again. You're missing the point. Like really missing the point. You'll die a virgin.

>>140638655
But that's why /a/ could never understand powerlevels in Dragonball. It's not nerd powerlevels, it's chad powerlevels !

So...Im guessing at some point to make up for the shenanigans of DB Goku Vs Sup's that they'll some how be friends in the future or some shit like that. I feel like that is going to be a thing.

>>140638618
We don't even know if Whis taught them everything there is to know yet.
>Goku is a 6. Vegita = Goku
>6+6=12
>Beerus = 10
>10<12
>SSGSS x2 > Beerus

>>140638721
It was bullshit made out to sell the kids the cool scouters. "Measure your PL with this bad-ass accessory!".

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>>140638747
>Vegita = Goku

>>140638801
Vegita = Goku
>Not anymore due to his power-up... But at that time? Yes he was.

>>140638747
Are you so retarded that you think that if you post it many times it'll become true? You didn't even disprove what I said, you just threw out numbers that show you didn't even understand it.
What I'm saying is that Goku and Vegeta might not be a 6 yet, at all. They can potentially be, but they still need to train a lot. I don't think Whis is done with his training. It came to a halt because of Freezer's appearance first, and when Champa showed up next. Even Beerus himself was urging Whis to train them faster.

>>140636702
This guy's got the right idea. It's not that it necessarily scales linearly or logarithmically, but that the difference between a 6 and a 7 could be huge. Besides, given that power levels are bullshit, it's all going to be arbitrary as fuck and dictated by the plot, so trying to math through everyone's power levels is pretty much pointless.

>>140638910
Vegeta was never, ever, stronger than Goku

>>140638910
You don't even know how to greentext, fuck off Pedro

>>140638951
Base Vegeta was slightly stronger than Goku for really short amounts of time, though.

>Saiyan Saga
>Imperfect Cell Saga
>Beerus Backhanding Bulma Saga

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>>140638951

Vegeta was stronger than Goku two times in the series.

1) Coming out of the hyperbolic time chamber to fight 2nd form cell
2) Half a year of training with Whis before Goku

>>140638951
Yes, when Beerus showed up he was. Briefly, but he was. Everyone said so, Goku included. Then came the god power-up, and Goku became more powerful again.
During Freezer's fight they are both supposed to be roughly at the same level. And now Goku came with the Kaio Ken, we'll see if Vegeta either learns that or another way to increase his power that much as well.

>>140634831
It's the king's royal penis. Really.

>>140639072
What, there are figurative fucks or something?

>>140638951
There were a few times he was stronger.

>>140638935
What I'm saying is that Goku and Vegeta might not be a 6 yet, at all. They can potentially be, but they still need to train a lot.

>Toriyama said he was a six during BOTG.

>>140639150
Do you give literal fucks about things? When someone peeves you, do you insert your penis into them?

>>140639311
yes

>>140639095
no, only this: >>140639072 is correct.

Goku was technically more powerful then because he could go SSJ3. Was Vegeta a better fighter then at SSJ2? Probably, but in terms of straight up power SSJ3 wins.

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>>140635144
>Hit was holding back against Son Goku the whole time

>>140636022
>implying that scale is linear
Toriyama might as well say "Medium, Large & Extra".

I just realized how broken Champa is. He challenged both a vastly improved Hit and vastly improved Goku...yet isn't sweating balls. If both Goku and Hit were at full power, they would get destroyed by Champa.

>>140639515
Goku and Hit were both tired as fuck, and Champa was even scared after they looked at him when he called them pawns

>>140639505
>Implying that that makes a difference when his power increased tenfold.

>>140639072
vegeta was stronger than him during the saiyan saga.

>>140639685

No he wasn't. Kaioken Goku>Vegeta.

>>140639735
Yeah, we're talking base power here

>>140639787

Why would we be talking about base powers you fucking idiots? We are talking about transformations and the character at their full power.

>>140639787
> saiyans gitf to overcome enemies is by transforming
> we are talking base power

can you bait any harder?

>>140639916
>>140639843
Then Oozaru Vegeta was strongest

>>140639938
Vegeta going oozaru super saiyan god when

>>140639938

You sir are a moron.

>>140639735
hardly. he was only stronger for a split second, just long enough to deflect a ki blast. all it did was piss vegeta off. 1 on 1 vegeta would have won that fight.

>>140640099
How? x4 Kaio-Ken left Goku unable to move, so I doubt he would be able to do the 23x required to beat him

Makes more sense than some random butlers being more powerful than literal Gods of Destruction.

>>140638951
>Vegeta was never, ever, stronger than Goku
Are you retarded?

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He did it.

Toriyama made an even worse Satan than Satan.

>And he's never going away.

>>140640204
Hopefully he be a recurring character
I want to see Goku non-stop asking Monaka, or probably Goku going to his planet.

>>140637852
Huh.So originally the term reffered to "super strong" hybrids,not the ultimate form of a Saiyan.

>>140640484
Reread the manga retard

>>140640626
I meant back then when that chapter was made.Nappa calls the hybrids "Super" Saiyans.In a casual,not quite legend tone.

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>>140640626
Not even that guy but
>Hurr durr you don't remember a small detail from a manga that's nearly 30 years old, you must be retarded
It may be hard for you to imagine, but some people have better things to remember than such minute details of a fucking manga. Like knowledge with actually applicability in day to day life.

Well we still haven't seen ssj2gss or ssj3gss with kaioken x30, goku is just going to continue getting more and more strong.

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>>140640931
>some people have better things to remember than such minute details of a fucking manga

>>140640980
Vegeta can do SSJ2G and SSJ3G too

>>140640980
>ssj2gss or ssj3gss
It's confirmed for not happening.

SSJ2 and SSJ3 are dead.

>>140628427
So what's the general consensus on this episode?

Why doesn't Vegeta just learn Kaoi-Ken? At this point he must feel like the Kaoi-Ken is a bullshit cheat of a technique that, nonetheless, renders him effectively weaker than Kakkorot. He's already taken on a master for the first time. Just swallow some more pride and have Goku teach you the thing.

>>140641236
Haha, Kaoi-ken. I made that mistake twice, damnit.

Kaoi-ken. Kek.

>>140641236
Because Vegetable wouldn't want learn something Kakarot has, he will be able to find some way to surpass him.

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>>140628427
is there a bigger jobber than gohan?

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>>140641193
I doubt many people liked it.

Personally I'm disappointed because the last episode raised my expectations. We had a tolerable battle, an opponent that out-asspulled Goku, the threat of Earth being moved to universe 6 and the threat of Hit getting the god cube, which Vados and Champa implied would ensure not even the gods could track him down. Hit winning the tournament appeared the logical move.

But then we got Toriyama being Toriyama again, so
>Le funny "gag"
>Hercule 2.0
>Interesting plot point just thrown out of the window
>Yet another retarded god introduced as Beerus and Champa will quickly become irrelevant

>>140641236
>Why doesn't Vegeta just learn Kaoi-Ken?
He will have to now. Either that or Hit becomes the new rival and Vegeta joins Goku's ever growing band of former badasses turned cheerleaders.

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>>140641193
Pretty funny.

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>>140639674
You obviously haven't seen an Extra Large.

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>>140638199
>tfw retards have turned asspull into a buzzword


>>140641361

>>140641187
The reasoning is retarded. If Son Goku is willing to risk his life with the 90% chance of death due to Kaio-Ken, why not the extra energy usage of SSJ2 or 3?

>>140641187

>SSJ2 and SSJ3 are dead.
Can someone post that one interview?

>>140641236
>that, nonetheless, renders him effectively weaker than Kakkorot
he was clearly weaker already. goku lasted longer in base form than vegeta did in ssg

Why do some of you say SSGSS instead of SSB? Might as well say Bills instead of Beerus

>>140641236
>Why doesn't Vegeta just learn Kaoi-Ken?
No fuck off that's Goku's move.

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Why does the animation in the Cell Games look awful?

>>140641236
He doesn't like using techniques that Goku (or anyone else) uses. Have you seen him using the Kamehameha? Or the solar flare? He's always used his own techniques. And they're always worse anyways.

if super saiyan blue is at least equal to super saiyan god
ssg or ssb goku = 60% beerus
ssb goku x10 = 600% beerus?

so goku in that form is 6 times stronger than beerus?!

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>>140642193
They were saving the budget for the superior saga

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>>140642606
The Super defenders complain a lot about cherrypicking, that DBZ had some QUALITY moments too etc. While it is true that these shots are cherrypicked and give an unbalanced view of DBZ's animation quality, it's telling that 20 years later Super failed to produce even a single frame of comparable quality or impact.

Hit was about to get BTFO by based Champa. Shame Zeno had to come.

>>140642428
I can't believe that people are still clinging to two arbitrary numbers Toriyama threw out.

>>140630320
All that gif reminded me of

https://youtu.be/H9jEfs7SUxc?t=24

>>140631531
FOR YOU

>>140642428
>so goku in that form is 6 times stronger than beerus?!
No.

>>140642193
Uchiyama.

>>140643965
What are the best looking DBZ episodes?

>>140644127
Minoru Maeda's stuff, maybe? Hard to say.

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who wins?

I assume frost = 100% power namek frieza + poison sting

>>140644384
Frost.

The only reason Magetta did so well against SSJ Vegeta is because 1. He was holding back and 2. He only did so well because of the field around, trapping the hot air around the arena and suffocating Vegeta.

>>140644384
>I assume frost = 100% power namek frieza + poison sting
You're retarded.

>>140644384
Magetta is way stronger than Frost and possibly imune to poison, but he's too sensitive. If Frost is aware of that and keeps talking shit to him, then Frost wins, if not, Magetta wins.

>>140629272
Chump? No, its more like the multiverse keeps getting bigger.

King Kai is still ruler of a fourth of the universe, which is billions of times what most people can comprehend. But it turns out that there's something billions of times beyond him, and billions of times beyond that.

Ruler of a world
Ruler of a forth of the universe
Ruler of the entire universe
Destroyer of the universe
Ruler of the multiverse

These are all concepts beyond basically everything even on the smallest tiers, but the higher up the universe goes there must always be a ruler.

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>>140641333
Just you wait.

Gohan-haters won't be laughing for much longer.

>>140644384
Magetta is at least perfect Cell level, but he have that muh feelings gimmick, so I doubt you could ever have a serious fight with him.

>>140630281
Did you not watch the episode? I just watched it, and it was clear that they were both sick of being treated like pawns, and wanted to fuck over Beerus and Champa just a bit.

Both of them made it clear they would surpass them with time, but for now the only way they could rebel is with these insignificant actions like throwing the match. He also did it as a favor to Goku he says.

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>>140644918

>>140644918
Keep believing that this isn't the Goku/Vegeta Battle Buddy Power Hour.

I've already given up on Super.

>here's a character who looks dumb but is actually super powerful
Hilarious, i sure hope they make that joke 7 more times

>>140644998

Gee what a great way to rebel Hit. Throw away the match and get killed by the god of destruction. If it wasn't for the king, all of universe 6's fighters would have been slaughtered in minutes.

>>140644464
but would frost be able to knock him over though?
vegeta had to insult magetta to get him off of the side of the ring even with his ssj strength

also magetta withstood final flash
final flash with vegeta as a super saiyan 1 did massive damage to perfect cell before he regenerated and cell was at least as powerful as 100% frieza then

im pretty sure the poison sting wont work on magetta either

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>>140644918

>>140645176
He didn't really expect Champa to be that much of a bitch.

>>140645206
Pretty sure Frost would find something. Magetta is slow and can't fly. Without the field around him Vegeta could've just sat above him and thought of a plan, I'm sure Frost would do the same. He'd figure out something eventually.

>>140644990
>Magetta
>perfect Cell level
Nigga, you serious? He tanked a Garlick Gun and a Final Flash from Vegeta who is at least God level. All of the U6 fighters should be above Super Perfect Cell.

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>>140644464
In the manga neither of those things are the case, and Vegeta is still struggling hard.

Goku confirms Magetta is strong; he's super heavy, his attacks are powerful, and his defense is unmatched. Vegeta even when holding back a bit couldn't make short work of anything there.

Even when all it took to beat Frost was one slap.

For Frost, even when holding back it was effortless, while for Magetta holding back nearly fucked Vegeta up since this guy was strong.

>>140645288
>All of the U6 fighters should be above Buu
ftfy

>>140634334
So what was the entire point of Goku firing Kamehamehas at himself when he was training?

>>140645221

But he surely should have known that Champa has a bad temper. Hit knows the gamble would only work if Champa was able to lose respectful and guess what nothing so far shows that. He isn't Goku where Beerus and him have a pretty decent relationship. No Champa uses them as pawns and nothing more.

Hit was pretty much committing suicide.

>>140645342
>For Frost, even when holding back it was effortless
You mean Frost who had just finished fighting Goku and Piccolo back to back? Jesus.

>>140645502
Goku would've slaughtered frost if he wanted, he held back because he tought frost was a good guy.

Magetta took a full power galick gun and final flash from vegetta and didn't even have a scratch on him.

Hit>>>Magetta>SSJ Cabba>Final Form Frost>>>Assault Frost>Cabba>Frost>Botamo

>>140640204

>he doesn't like Monaka

FUCK OFF FAGGOT

>>140645288
I say, at least, and no, only Magetta and Hit were above that, Cabba and Frost were as strong as Goku and Freezer in namek, and Pooh is arguable even weaker, he just had that weird ability to absorb punches, Goku didn't even went SY 1 to test how far that power goes.

Is Goku still faster than Time, or Hit made the Time stop stronger?

Maybe his body was getting fucked by the Kaio Ken

>>140646153
Hit realized how to double time-stop to become stronger

>power levels

Goku can use kaioken x200 for all I care, but still weaker than Beerus, deal with it

>>140646153

Goku is faster than a 0.5 time leap but Hit improved to go even faster. Honestly we need more info on how his time leaps work or how he got it in the first place because it is broken as all hell.

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>>140638951
>Vegeta was never, ever, stronger than Goku
Vegeta was stronger than Goku most of their lives. Goku surpasses Vegeta for the first time several months after they meet. And they were what? almost 30s years old at that time?
Also, Vegeta was stronger or tied with Goku a few times after that.

Vados>Whis>>>Beeru>=Champa>>Hit>Goku>>Vegeta

So is this how this arc made power levels at this point?

>>140646219
>I say, at least, and no, only Magetta and Hit were above that, Cabba and Frost were as strong as Goku and Freezer in namek

Oh god, the Frost = Namek Freeza meme still alive? Or people is really that retarded?

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>>140646109
>Cabba and Frost were as strong as Goku and Freezer in namek
And then there's this faggot. Where did these people thinking base form Goku/Vegeta didn't get any stronger since namek came from?

>>140645485
This with 90's animation would look great.

>>140638951

Vegeta was stronger than Goku the first time they met Beers

>>140628427
I absolutely hated this episode. All the buildup for this tournament and we get Red Eyes Gold Dragon, and Kaioshin 2.0.

>>140646422
This is the production that Toriyama says is the closest to his actual style to date.

>>140646321
>Vados>Whis
Unknown.
>Beerus>=Champa
Champa is a bitch, Beerus is certainly stronger.
>Hit>Goku
Unknown but likely.
>Goku>>Vegeta
Unfortunately yes.

>>140646329
How strong is SS Goku in this tournament? his god ki is still actived in his base form?

>>140646430
So the PV of the next episode is what ruined the episode for you? All that shit happened in the last five seconds.

>>140644880
>a fourth of the universe
You mean one galaxy?

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>>140646109
>as strong as Goku and Freezer in namek
Do you faggots that keep saying this forget that normal Vegeta one-shotted a guy as strong as Gohan? Magetta and Cabba certainly gave Vegeta more trouble than that.

>>140645342
Isn't the anime canon?

>>140645095
given up so hard you're scanning threads about it every week

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>>140639735
>No he wasn't. Kaioken Goku>Vegeta.
Then why did Vegeta won against Goku, and the rest had to finish the fight?

>>140646329
Considering how Son Goku is still messing around, only went SSJ for intimidation and has shown he can make his SSJ form as energy-efficient & weak as his regular form, who's power he too can freely change, we don't know.

>>140646669
Toriyama said the anime wasn't doing it right recently, while also saying the manga was doing it perfectly

Go figure

>>140646474

The only reason I am saying she is stronger is because she is older and Toriyama likes adding strong female characters to the cast from time to time.

>>140646586
>strong as Gohan
Fuccboi Gohan was stronger after fighting an army & Ginyu/Tagoma was injured.

>>140646708
I agree with him, but still, what's canon anymore? lol

>>140646708
Considering how the manga is actually decent while the anime's animation is still shit, I find that acceptable.

>>140645095
You say that shit every week, anon

>>140645176

I don't think Champa realized hit threw the match, he was pissed that Hit ignored all his orders against goku and was easily beaten in the last match.

>>140631046
I don't know what this is trying to imply.

Aside from being dragons with gaping mouths and forward eyes, they look nothing alike.

>>140646708
Toriyama has shit tastes confirmed

>>140646479
Base form DBS Frieza was able to easily fuck up Gohan, and we know Gohan is somewhere between Cell~Buu level (Cell level if we assume he lost mystic form, Buu level if otherwise). Base form Goku was able to go toe-to-toe with 4th form DBS Frieza. SSJ Goku is at least 50x stronger than this. Not only that, by the tournament arc Goku trained for more than 3 years.

>>140646828

It was still stupid considering his life was on the line. Remember the dragon balls go to Beerus if universe 7 wins.

>>140641236
>Why doesn't Vegeta just learn Kaoi-Ken?
Because kaio-ken never won a fight and ruins your body?
Also, his pride.

Poor Hit, its all downhill from here. Just like Piccolo, Buu, Tien, Yamcha, Gotenks, Gohan.

>>140646474
>Unknown but likely.
That should be, Hit wouldnt use his full power because the no kill rules.

>>140647046

Are you retarded? Hit is so powerful that no one besides Goku and the gods will stand toe to toe with him.

>>140647124
He will job and fade from relevance just like every character I listed.

>>140641690
>he was clearly weaker already. goku lasted longer in base form than vegeta did in ssg
You mean Vs Hit? Goku got to see Hit's techniques prior to fighting him, and others gave him key information about time lapses.
Goku had a clear advantage over Vegeta in his fight against Hit.

>>140636008
See you next week

>>140647207

No he won't because the only person he can job to is Goku and is already stronger than Goku. Even with that, Hit can improve and easily catch up to Goku.

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tfw hit is universe 6 guldo

>>140638951
Except for the first like 30 years of his life. And then as he's beating Android 19. And then after the he comes out of the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. And then when Beerus smacks his bitch.

>>140647324
He will job to whatever the next threat is.

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>>140647049
>yfw Super Buu kills Popo in TFS and everyone realizes that he's even stronger than the meme character

>>140647267
But taking hits is the same for them both. You don't take better punches just because you watch and have information when you Hit stops time the entire time he's beating you up.

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Post your favorite insert song. Mine is The Lone Warrior

https://youtu.be/DUEHnyAtp9I

>>140647403
>TFS will have Popo transform into Buu "when its time to lay waste to this world"

>>140647481
>>>/out/

>>140636022
What whis said isn't about multiply numbers but distance of how far it goes.

Beerus is pretty far away from Goku, I doubt kaio ken would help against him. It would make a good fight but that'd be just it.

Can someone explain the god hierarchy again?

>>140647587
>What whis said isn't about multiply numbers but distance of how far it goes.
Don't even try, I'm convinced powerlevel fags are literal autist whose only hobby is anime and math.

>>140646586
Vegeta one shoted Cabba, the rest of the fight was all training.

>>140647593

God of All
God Of Destruction
Elder Kai
Supreme Kai
Grand Kai
North, West, East and South Kai

>>140646719
>Vados>Whis
>Beerus>=Champa
>Hit>Goku
>Goku>Vegeta
I'd say all those pairings quite close to each other, except Goku < Hit which we don't know because Hit hold back.

>>140647818
isn't elder kai just an really old supreme kai?

>>140647049
light mixed together makes white, not black, you idiot

>>140647920
Its additive cymk like a printer. But yes, the whole thing is retarded.

>>140647481
Hero - Song of Hope

>>140647901

He still holds authority over regular Supreme Kai because of age and experience.

>>140631531

winced when I saw that shit

thought he was gonna die again

>>140647901
Yes, but Supreme Kai is a little bitch.

>>140647993
>age and experience

It was a cheat by portara earrings.

>>140631531
But it is, extremely

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>>140642269
>Have you seen him using the Kamehameha?
Yes

>>140648107
for you, now let's just drop it.

>but that's not how you maymay

>>140647404
Yes, but that information helped Goku avoid Hit's punches or to know why he was being hit.
For Vegeta (and everyone at the time) it was a complete surprise.

>>140647587
>>140647661
>Toriyama said that SSG Goku was a 6, Beerus was a 10, and Whis was a 15
>SSGSS Goku > SSG Goku
>SSGSS Goku + SSGSS Vegeta > 12
>SSGSS Goku + Vegeta (12) > Beerus (10)
>SSGSS Goku + SSGSS Vegeta = SSGSS x2
>SSGSS Kaioken x10 Goku = SSGSS x10
>SSGSS Kaioken x10 Goku (60) >> Beerus (10)

>>140648097

Who gives a shit. In terms of usefulness, experience and power he is the better kai. Hence why he is ranked higher.

>>140646586
Gohan could barely get to SSY1 and probably a pretty weak one. Vegeta also one-shot Frost and Cabba in SSY1 form, I don't know what are you talking about.

>>140647481
Gotta go with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8JwUGR9Sok

>>140648222
Compared to goku he has no fucking power at all. Even buu was stronger than him. I bet Cell would have kicked his ass too.

Could super saiyan blue kaio ken x!0 Vegeto beat Beerus, Champa, Whis, Vados, and the king of everything?