Is End of Evangelion anime kinó ?

>>139978269
nah patlabor 2 is

>>139978291
no

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>>139978269
no but this is

no it's gay and stupid and dumb

It ranks pretty high on kinosthetics

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>kino
>>>/tv/

>>139978269
>kinó
Fuck off /tv/

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More like la cinèma

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no this is kino

>>139978269
>kinó
What the fuck is this meme?

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No. Something like pic related is, but it's so pretentious and depressing nobody gives a fuck about it.

>>139978269
rei have won because shinji had sex with her at the end.

asuka a shit

>>139978827
German for cinema

>>139978608
It's cinéma.

>>139978837
>pretentious
children go away

>>139978886
Actually, it's Russian.

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This shit was deep

>>139978935
no I'll stay for my chinese cartoons

>>139978974
It is both.
True patricians only watch Lichtspielhaus anyways.

>>139978982
How is Eva anything like Sekko Boys?

>>139978982
Socrates and Evangelion have nothing to do with each other whatsoever.

>>139978827
Dziga Vertov was an ironic memelord

>>139978886
>>139978974
The root is Greek, anyway.

>>139978837
>pretentious
Epic.

>>139979810
Xd

>>139978608
>>139978894
cïnèmá

>>139979810
>Capitalising on success with merch invalidates the story
Into the trash you go.

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>>139978837

>>139978885
Your taste a shit, shipper.

>>139978269
Film can be art, entertainment or both. Evangelion is the last of the three.
>>139978291
This is too, albeit more flawed.

>>139981437
Shut the fuck up

>>139981472
Which one triggered you? The fact a movie which confused you is actually a work of art or the fact that someone would dare to point out forced exposition in your favorite anime movie?

>>139982203
Don't fucking respond to me

The only anime that could come close to being kino is Chargeman Ken. Eva is film at best

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>>139982508
seriously why did Anno not use this for the last two episodes

>>139982263
Damn, so you actually got triggered by both?

>>139983949
What the fuck did I just say to you?

>>139982763
Money/Time constrains

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>>139982763
because they ran out of time and money and had to finish episodes 25 and 26 using still images drawn with markers

>>139983987
Damn, your memory is pretty damn weak. I wonder if as much as your sense for visual storytelling.

>>139982763
They didn't have any money left for the last two episodes, like every other series Gainax made in the eighties and nineties.

>>139978291
the best parts of the movies don't touch the worst of early days or patlabor on tv

>>139984099
Sleep with one eye open motherfucker

>>139984311
It's fine you can express your sorrow for presenting such lack of taste through the internet, but if you really want you can come here and cry in my laugh. Your disgusting sence of aesthetic will not change but I may try to help you accept your general inferiority.

>>139978269
There's almost nothing in the way of anime kinó, and whilst it would be satisfying to pretend the medium has a veritable cannon of artistic works, in doing so raising Eva (or a host of other predominantly entertaining works) up upon an artistic pedestal, it would also be dishonest.

In an odd way I think >>139979810 hits it on the head - the focus on commercial merchandising and profiteering in anime makes it very difficult to produce something with artistic backbone. It certainly doesn't help that the entry cost involved in producing anime is so high compared to film, and that the audience is, itself, a niche whose focus is on the consumption of typical entertainment.

So no, EoE isn't kinó - it's an entertaining film, built on a good drama, with a haperdashery of philosophy. A type of quasi-art designed for easy consumption.

>>139984630
You're saying this as if arthouse films never provide any entertainment value. Kubrick, Bergman and Kurosawa have all produced films that were both acknowledged by critics and achieved commercial success.

>>139980651
I feel like Schopenhauer would be the logical choice here

>>139984609
Actually kill yourself

>>139984630
Can you define kinó? I don't browse /tv/. I like film but the few times I've gone on there all they were talking about was capeshit and the like.

>>139985179
Kino>Cinema>Movie>Flick>Capeshit

in terms of quality and artistic merit

>>139984793
I'm quite intentionally saying neither of those things, although it's a very natural misinterpretation.

Art need not be academic, in all disciplines it couples to some degree with entertainment. In some cases the primary motive may even to be profitable/entertaining, however, more usually, it's a consideration that doesn't uniquely define the work. From what I've observed in anime, there's far less freedom (or perhaps will?) to pursue the artistic at the expense of profit - I further observed that this is a situation created by both the nature of the medium, labour intensive and costly, as well as the viewer demographic, the Otaku are not quite the intelligentsia (or, perhaps more relevant to arthouse, pretentious hipsters).

Anyway, all of what I said was trite, I just wanted to put it out as a clear statement - what I find more surprising is that in a medium whose novelty is visual freedom, we see an alarming lack of visual direction. Both in terms of an appreciation of cinematographic techniques (are smooth scene changes asking for too much?), and in the full use of drawn media - even the palette used in most anime is drab.

>>139985179
It's an unnecessarily vague term, which, at least within this thread, is being used to describe the uppermost stratum of 'art' in relation to film. More generally it refers to innovative art film (often short film), with a soft focus on amateur work.

If it's art it's art, chaps. We don't need any more words.

>>139985406
Thanks. While I see the logic behind classifying movies like this, ambiguous cases like EoE pose some problems.

EoE, as you said, is a quasi-art anime. It fuses pop elements (anime is a pop/low art/camp medium) with what I believe is one of the most intense self expressions in film in the past couple of decades. The highbrow elements come into a bizarre mix with the lowbrow as a result.

>>139985689
I suppose I should be replying to >>139985544 instead. That clears things up a bit more

>>139985544
You really only see a lack of visual direction in lower quality TV shows. There's plenty of high quality visual direction in anime film and higher quality TV shows.
Also, what do you mean by a smooth scene transition?

>>139985406
>>139985544
Kino just means cinema in german and several slavic languages. In those country kino is a place where you could probably watch Deadpool this evening, that's how high-brow it is.

>>139985544
All I'm getting from your posts is that you haven't seen much anime.
>are smooth scene changes asking for too much?
Watch a Kon film.

>>139985855
>lower quality
I don't disagree - although by volume this is the dominant portion of anime. It might just be a total volume thing, there's so much TV and film that, even if a minority of it is artistic, that's a fairly large quantity.

>>139985945
Kon was brilliant at this, he had a solid understanding of film. I was thinking of his direction when I made the comment.

I'm not saying that this isn't in anime, I'm just stating my general surprise that visual direction isn't placed centre-stage in anime. A great deal is lost in drawn media, especially in terms of character expression and detail (as an aside, it would be rather interesting to animate and reproduce the talking heads monologues) - you would thus expect that, even in the most generic anime, the directions plays to the mediums strengths. A lack of competent visual direction really screams out at you in anime, there's almost nothing to compensate for it.

>>139985406
is there a reason why people keep trying to claim BvS as kino then

>>139985406
>in terms of quality and artistic merit
So it's basically bullshit, because both quality and artistic merit of a work are not quantifiable and are entirely subjective.

>>139985406
Kino > Cinema > Movie > Capekino > Flick > Capeshit

>>139986308
>entirely subjective
I don't agree there, you can say with some objectivity that a piece of art is an excellent representation of a particular school. The quality of an artwork can be assessed objectively (subject to a few constraints), and doesn't necessarily relate to anyone's preference towards it.

>>139985689
>The highbrow elements come into a bizarre mix with the lowbrow as a result.
Exactly, that is why I provided those as an example: >>139984793
I mean Kurosawa based his works on american westerns, Kubrick's most known movie has robots and aliens in it, Tarkovsky had those as well and based two of his works on science-fiction novels. Some of Berman's films were as popular among critics as among young adults and families looking for a fun evening in the cinema. The barrier between the two isn't that strict.

Also, if you look at the history of the anime medium. There was actually a pretty big amount of rebellion and people trying to achieve as much freedom of expression as possible. I mean just compare anime from the 50s with Toei conservatively trying to replicate disney with the 60s and 70s where many young animators, often involved in student protests and inspired by new wave art movements tried to break off from the old traditions. In the end anime has quite a large amount of creators who strived for artistic freedom and expression through the means of the medium. Even Miyazaki and Takahata would qualify as those at one point and then we've got Dezaki, Oshii, Anno, Morimoto, Kon, Ikuhara, Yuasa and Nakamura. Not to mention all the people who worked purely with independent animation like Kunio, Mirai, Okamoto, Yamamura, Kawamoto or at certain points Ofuji and even Tezuka.

>>139986242
I used to think so too, but you have to think about the history of anime. It's an offshoot of Western cartoons, all of which were designed to appeal to children. Tezuka and other directors in Japan innovated and attempted to bring in more mature subject matter. But due to sales and the general flow of the market, very few projects along the ideals of what you're talking about were produced.

In the end, animation is not going to be an artistic medium for a long time.

>>139986298
Because "kino" was, is and always will be shitposting. It's ridiculous that anyone would try to use the term seriously.

What dose Kinò mean? o-O

>>139986479
Yes, fully agree. It's not by any means a condemnation of the medium, simply a statement of where it is artistically.

I certainly don't watch it for art (in fact, I predominantly listen to it).

>>139986504
It's just the general term of filmmaking in other languages like German and Russian

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>>139978624
This should have been the first and only answer.

There's no fucking acute accent on the o.

>>139987420
t. plebeian

>>139987719
You're not Finnish either.

>>139987861
if you meme enough you can apply to become an honorary finn

t. finn

Jesus fucking Christ kiño is a meme used for movies like the pest or problem child 2, it's a meme used to ironically call shitty movies good.

>>139988127
we aren't talking about kiño though

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>>139986729
Kino thread

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>>139988127

>>139988127
I honestly get embarrassed over people taking this stuff seriously

>>139988127
GOOD VS BAD

>>139988480
Surf Ninjas unironically >>> End of Evangelion

a kino is a theater, not a meme. fuck off

>>139988816
a kino is a cute boy who adventures with his motorbike. fuck off

>>139988861
>boy

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>>139988861
Kino is a pretty girl!

>>139984086
It still look better than most of today's animes.

I want Kino to touch me like she touches her gun

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>>139988861
>boy

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>>139989106
Firmly and skillfully?

>>139989311
I didn't know Kino used guns, I thought it was just about her traveling from place to place.

>>139989442
Kino is basically /k/ino