Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1483

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
I want my kids to have a good work ethic. I believe you can achieve anything if you work hard enough to get it.

おそっ

>>139286275
>>139286304
I'm finding it pretty boring too. I mean, I can get through it pretty fast, but the relationships have been kinda shit so far and all of the CG work went into the H scenes that I just skip. The plot parts are okay at least, I just don't find it too compelling based on the 2 and a half routes I've done so far.

>>139286345
>>139286304
Are you guys serious? The art is pretty sexy but the story is just boring...

Maybe more specific: Any good recommendations for mid-level scifi VNs?

is there a pack with very basic childrens books or something?

>>139286550
Baldr Sky Dive
Steins Gate

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出来ない
来
な
い

>>139286550
Have you tried fate stay night? It's a masterpiece.

>>139286586
You don't want to read childrens books for studying.

>>139286592
>Baldr Sky Dive
Thanks, didn't know that one!

今日はビトレーザー届いた。すごい！ちょうすごいかっこいい！

>>139286586
Look into graded readers, I remember it being kind of effort to find them before but might be easier now

>>139286594
出機名意
機
名
意

>>139286594
出来ない
来ない出
ない出来
い出来な

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olfUH0iowyo

>>139286650
Chinks out.

>>139286541
>>139286550
I guess it comes down to how much someone likes rabu then. As far as moege about deitoing goes the writing is really top-tier.

>Any good recommendations for mid-level scifi VNs?
You're fucked, there is not a genre less represented in VNs than sci-fi. If you want to read sci-fi you may as well give up now and pick up text novels.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/星雲賞

>>139286605
Nope, will try it!

>>139286618
Dive2 is the number two rated VN on vndb only behind Muv Luv Alternative. It's fantastic but it's not much known outside Japan because there is no translation, not even on the horizon.

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>>139286477
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0dhIXFKAvcE

>>139286697
>I guess it comes down to how much someone likes rabu then
I love it, I just prefer when it focuses on the relationship progression rather than H scenes. Cutesy lovey dovey shit rather than tons of H scenes and making out and maybe a date scene or something every once in a while. The relationships in this just haven't been very satisfying to me so far. Maybe it's just the two routes I've done though, who knows.

>>139286692
いえ、お前を出ろぜ。俺は不人ではない。

>>139286766
As far as moege go thats par for the course so I guess I'm used to it.

>>139286605
"masterpiece"

>>139286726
>but it's not much known outside Japan

Lol, EOPs on /vg/ and /jp/ constantly cry for it.

>>139286605
Is it easy though?

Moeges in general are all just boring. I think it's just not what I'm looking for in a story. If I wanted to fap Ill play a nukige. They're just not too entertaining.

What sort of mindset do I have to have to get into them?

>>139286990

Why would you try to forcibly get into something you're not interested in, just go for something else.

>>139286766
You should try out Toki wo Tsumugu Yakusoku, it seems to be your kind of thing according to this guy: >>>/jp/14990188

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>>139286594
頑張らなきゃ
張
ら
な
き
ゃ

>>139287060
Yeah I saw that, it looks super cute. I'll definitely give it a try soon if his impressions are the same after finishing that route.

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>>139287086
無駄です。 死ね

Does anyone know where I can find a seeded version of Steins;Gate? Sukebei doesn't seem to have it and some anons here have played it if I recall correctly.

>>139287383
>Sukebei
Sukebei doesn't host non-H VNs. Now do the math.

>>139287454
Plus s;g is in the Nitro+ mega brand pack and anyone interested in VNs should already have that downloaded.

恋
戀

Literally indistinguishable?

>>139287199
神の命トランプ様！待命為る！

一
鸞

Literally indistinguishable?

>>139287454
My bad I thought there were h-scenes in some of SG routes. Thanks for the precision.

>>139287497
And get shit like Angelos Armas? No please.

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I'm 500 words into Core2k/6k and I've read the Basic section of Tae Kim

Is it too early for me to start reading a simple manga? I'm considering Yuyushiki right now.

If it is too early for me, how much vocab would you recommend to have before you start reading?

>>139287697
You can uncheck vns as you please.

>>139287704
just do it

Reading without texthookers are difficult. I didn't expect it to be this much more difficult. Do you need to practice not using texthookers?

>>139287704
Try yotsubato with the reading packs.

>>139287704
The problem isn't even the vocab, the problem is the grammar. At that point, you don't even know volitional, conditional, must/have to, etc. That's some pretty basic shit that you'll encounter really freaking often. But then, it's up to you. If you wanna try, just do it but be warned that it's not gonna be fun at the beginning.

>>139287742
I read a VN with no texthooker after heavily using a texthooker and had 0 problems with the transition. Are you misusing the texthooker? Turn off furigana. Re-read the line in the VN after looking up words in it. Don't read straight from the hooker.

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>>139287601

Nah, there's exactly one very brief fanservice scene in S;G which is this one, not enough to count as すけべい.

>>139287704
>I've read the Basic section of Tae Kim
That's no good. You're probably not even going to get through the first page before you run into a grammar wall. You can fill in the vocab easily, but you need you have a frame in place for it first.

>>139287742
>Do you need to practice not using texthookers?
I think you should learn how to practice with texthookers first. I don't think you understand the point of texthookers. It's just a faster and more efficient way of looking up words than a dictionary. If you use it for grammar, furigana or parsing, you're doing it wrong.

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>科白

>>139287793
How to turn off furigana in the furigana inserter addon? Is it even possible?

>>139287793
I've been reading directly from the texthooker. Is it that bad?

>>139287704

Vocab can always be added but you're gonna struggle with the grammar a great deal with that as your base.

>>139287747
I was goingto start with that but a guy in the last thread (maybe one before) said that Yotsuba uses stupid grammar and wording so it might be a problem.

>>139287771
>>139287845
So if I read the rest of Tae Kim and start up the Tae Kim Anki deck, I'll be pretty much good to go?

I don't expect fun at this stage, I just want to feel like I'm actually "involved" in the Japanese rather than just recoginising shapes in Anki.

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>>139287838
All-ages games have been pushing the limit lately, even some PS3-4-vita VNs are fappable now.

>>139287838
Thanks for the clarification, anon.

前夜全然眠れなかったから、今では死にたいほど頭が痛いよ...

>>139287911
>So if I read the rest of Tae Kim and start up the Tae Kim Anki deck, I'll be pretty much good to go?
Pretty much, if you don't mind checking the dictionary every five seconds.

>>139287911
>Yotsuba uses stupid grammar and wording
You can tell what the words are if you know them and if you don't just check the learning packs. I started (at a snails pace) reading yotsubato at 300 words of core and about a quarter of the way through Japanese the manga way

>>139287894
I don't know your setup so I don't know what you're talking about, sorry.
>>139287900
Yeah. You get used to mousing over the second you don't know something, as opposed to thinking about it. Furthermore, if you have furigana on the texthurt that's double bad. Furthermore, if you're using chiitrans then the color parsing makes it easier. It doesn't help you in any way, basically, and doesn't help prepare you for reading without one. I know its tempting to do though.

>助けたい、と彼女は懇願する。
Is と here acting as a quoting particle?

>>139287900
>Is it that bad?
Yes, honestly.
>>139287911
>I don't expect fun at this stage, I just want to feel like I'm actually "involved" in the Japanese rather than just recoginising shapes in Anki.
Why would you feel you're not "involved" in the Japanese? If you really feel that way, why not just try immersion?

>>139288036
Sure, why not?

>>139288036
Yeah, she was begging.

>>139287927

>lately

They've been doing that for literal decades, even a fair amount of Japanese NES games have lewd fanservice scenes in them.

>>139288071
>>139288078
Just checking. Thanks.

>>139288036

I struggle with と a lot for whatever reason, but in that context it seems fairly obvious.

>>139288148
Because it has a lot of different and sometimes completely unrelated uses.

>>139287704
Use kanjitomo.

>>139288148
>struggle with と a lot...

問題に思った例を見せい。

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>>139287704
>500 words into Core2k/6k
>read the Basic section of Tae Kim
>considering Yuyushiki right now.
Good fucking luck with that, son.
It's a great manga but chances are you won't understand any of the jokes even with visual cues.

Is there an RTK deck that focuses on recognition like this one that doesn't have a scrambled kanji order?
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/2438776091

>>139288070
>Why would you feel you're not "involved" in the Japanese? If you really feel that way, why not just try immersion?

Involved isn't really the right word I guess. It's just that while I'm doing my reps and doing well there I feel like I'm making massive progress and that I'll be fluent in a week, but then I look at a full sentance and I can pick up one word if I am lucky.

Once I learn more of the grammar and get started with reading I think I'll feel a lot better about my progress rather than thinking I'm not "really" learning Japanese. I'm explaining this poorly but hopefully you get the rough idea.

>>139288224
Thanks, I was going to ask about that because I forgot what it was called.

>>139288248
I remember it being a lot less wordy in English. I guess I'll start lower down.

Do you think Noble Works or Yotsubato is the best for an absolute beginner?

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>>139288263

>>139288385
I strongly recommend よつばと! to everyone.

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>>139288472
It's hard for me to reccomend comedy manga to beginners in the language because comedy relies so much on understanding nuance of language and keeping up with the pacing of dialogue and stuff. Amaterasu said that business/serious Japanese was easier to understand than comedies simply because it's all clear cut and I agree with that for the most part.

noob here

in anki how do i add romaji/pronounciation below the hiragana/katakana and how do i know how to pronounce a kanji if there is no kata?

and how do i get back cards i accidentally buried?

>>139288519
Take your (You) and never come back

>>139288519
>how do i add romaji/pronounciation below the hiragana/katakana
You don't, learn the fucking kana

>how do i know how to pronounce a kanji if there is no kata
There should be, what kind of shitty deck are you using?

>>139288212
What does it have besides "and" and adverbifying (which includes quoting)?

>>139288385
>Involved isn't really the right word I guess. It's just that while I'm doing my reps and doing well there I feel like I'm making massive progress and that I'll be fluent in a week, but then I look at a full sentance and I can pick up one word if I am lucky.
But you are making massive progress. If you need some motivation, just compare it to Japanese majors or reddit and you'll see how fast you're going. Learning another language takes time, and you won't be able to read a sentence after so little time. Have more confidence honestly, and give yourself time.

>Once I learn more of the grammar and get started with reading I think I'll feel a lot better about my progress rather than thinking I'm not "really" learning Japanese. I'm explaining this poorly but hopefully you get the rough idea.
Yes I totally get the idea but let me tell you that: The sentences you read in the Tae Kim are sentences you might read in any Japanese content. While you feel you're just grinding grammar, you're already reading stuff that most people can't. If you hand over a copy of any of the basic grammar points to someone in the streets, they most likely won't be able to even read hiragana. If you wanna read faster, then allow more time to Japanese to finish Tae Kim earlier.

>>139288514
We are talking about よつばと! here, though.

>>139288726
Yeah, and have you seen all the endless posts here asking for help about it? I'll give you that Yotsuba relies far more on visual comedy than most manga so fast and complete comprehension of text isn't as necessary, though.

>>139287858
Aren't you expected to look up almost every word when you start? How would you use it?

>>139288790
>Yeah, and have you seen all the endless posts here asking for help about it?
That's the entire point of this thread: for people to ask questions.
よつばと! is great value for anyone to read, period.

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>read enough to know the vast majority of what I see
>reading speed is still god-awful in comparison to natives
>tfw no way to get faster except to read a lot of content for several years
On the bright side, despite consistently doing 400~ reps a day, my time has dropped from 20 minutes to 15 minutes because I'm reading kanji faster.

>>139288698
Yeah, I know I shouldn't expect to be able to read sentances because I know a few hundred words but I can't help my excitement running away with me sometimes.

I'll finish up Tae Kim and start the Tae Kim deck, then I'll try diving into Yotsubato if I have time. Thanks for the encouragement

>>139288833
>That's the entire point of this thread: for people to ask questions.
I think at some point you misunderstood something

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>>139288790
Why do you keep going on about comedy? It's not a gag manga, not remotely.
Yotsuba is good for your soul, anon.

>>139288909
Yotsubato is all about comedy dude

>>139288909
Yotsuba is firmly rooted in comedy

>>139288227
DEKINAI

>お... 奥っ
>ゴンゴン当たって...
>...度に私... わた...
>中で白くはじけるの！

>中で白くはじける
>I split open whitely inside!

What the fuck? I swear these hentai authors just make up the most random shit.

>>139288920
No it's not. Try reading the series.

>>139288928
It's funny but not because it is a comedy manga. Where the fuck did you two come from? It sure as hell wasn't /a/.

>>139288646
You can find them listed in the DOJG and All About Particles but I don't have them on hand here. Also, a lot of other grammar points use と as a building block, there are a lot of examples in the DOIJG.
>>139288808
Yes, but reading directly in the texthooker is a bad idea because you're not thinking directly on the words but literally reading their definitions when you could have paused for a few seconds and wonder whether you knew the word or could guess its meaning based on the kanji. When you get to higher level reading content, it'll be a great tool when distinguishing words that have been made up. Also, usually it gives you furigana and parsing which is also bad for you because when you get to the point where you don't want to read with texthookers anymore, you'll have a harder time.
TL;DR use texthookers only as dictionary when you have already tried guessing the word and failed.
>>139288879
We're all excited, that's the whole point. Just don't let it get you down when you finally try your favorite manga and think that it's too difficult. As long as you're patient and diligent, you'll learn Japanese.

>>139288981
>Yotsuba&! (よつばと! Yotsuba to!?) is an ongoing Japanese comedy manga series by Kiyohiko Azuma, the creator of Azumanga Daioh.

>>139288981
It's funny because the author puts in a lot of jokes, dude. I think you're taking offense at it being called a comedy, because you think comedy implies shallowness or something? Well, as Wittgenstein said, a good book of philosophy could be written entirely with jokes, and Yotsuba is certainly written with jokes.

>>139289012
>You can find them listed in the DOJG and All About Particles but I don't have them on hand here. Also, a lot of other grammar points use と as a building block, there are a lot of examples in the DOIJG.

I don't doubt that it lists more, I just consider most of them to be essentially the same usage.

I also consider the "two"　のにs to be the same thing so take it as you will

>>139288879

Not that guy, but remember that "finishing Tae Kim" does not mean just reading through it, it means actually learning from it. If you don't understand what you've read and just treat it as a necessary checkbox you need to fill before moving on, it's going to come back to haunt you real fast later on.

>>139288945
>I've never seen this quality in non-white or non-Japanese fictional settings.
Because most people don't spend twenty years forging a new world out of their imagination.
>>139289057
>I also consider the "two"　のにs to be the same thing so take it as you will
I think that's just wrong honestly. One is used as 'however, although' and the other one is used as 'in order to'. How can you say they're one and the same?

>>139289018
Yeah, and the Japanese wiki page lists it as a drama series.
You are sticking out like a sore thumb, here.

>>139289042
>It's funny because the author puts in a lot of jokes, dude.
It's a series about everyday life. Yes, there is jokes but it isn't anything remotely like a gap series like the anon previously mentioned.
What I'm taking offense at is people who are clearly not even from /a/ talking about a manga serious they clearly haven't read. Don't fucking quote an English wiki page at me, for fuck sake. You may as well start throwing around citations from MAL.

Lurk moar newfag.

>>139289100
Yep, that's why I'm going to be using the Tae Kim deck so that I don't forget everything straight after I have read it.

>>139289140
>Yes, there is jokes but it isn't anything remotely like a gap series like the anon previously mentioned.
I posted a gag manga not to imply Yotsuba was, but because it was the closest image I had of a comedy series. Don't read too deep into it.
>It's a series about everyday life.
A series about everyday life, that has a lot of jokes, intends to make the reader laugh, and is thus comedic in nature, and is thus ok to be called a comedy. You're being really anal about specific terminology, that's a pedantic road thats best avoided. Your internal understanding of what "comedy" infers is dragging mud over whats really being said.

>>139289140
>starts throwing out crossboarder accusations as soon as someone disagrees with him

Autism is real folks

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>>139289140
>and the Japanese wiki page lists it as a drama series.
Thats not all it lists dude.

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I just tried to read これはゾンビですか uploaded in the CoR, under the 小説 tab, but more than half of the pages are a distorted mess?

>>139289324
Welcome to the highest level of Japanese

>>139289297
And nobody claimed it doesn't have comedic elements. It by definition is not a gag manga

>>139289362
No one claimed it was a gag manga either.
The original text was
>It's hard for me to reccomend comedy manga to beginners in the language because comedy relies so much on understanding nuance of language and keeping up with the pacing of dialogue and stuff.
Yotsuba certainly has a good amount of jokes that involve language nuance and pacing. That is not unique to gag manga. Someone misunderstood "comedy == gag manga" and that was not the person calling Yotsuba a comedy.

Grammar is rough

>>139289489
This. I can power through vocab but my grasp on grammar is horrible even after reading Tae Kim. I need something to practice my grammar with.

>>139289614
NATIVE
MATERIAL

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I don't quite understand what っていうか conveys. Pic related. I have a foggy idea of what's being said but I'd like to bring it into focus.

This is my attempt (I'm reading here, not translating, so I don't care if it sounds awkward)
>In Miruka's case, it couldn't be called simply watching.
>You could say her sense of distance is different from other peoples'.

But how would you translate both uses, anons?

I read Yotsuba as my first native material and I was fine. I laughed regularly because a lot of the comedy was relatable and easy to understand, and the bits that weren't were explained by the reading pack. Overall I wouldn't say the comedy is the main appeal of it outside of how easy to read it is, though. It's just a very soul warming manga. Yeah it has comedy, but that doesn't mean it's comedy that's impossible for a beginner to understand or enjoy.

>>139289671
Feels a continuation from last page

>>139289774
>Yeah it has comedy, but that doesn't mean it's comedy that's impossible for a beginner to understand or enjoy.
Of course. It's not impossible or anything. I just said I hesitate to recommend it to beginners (absolute in this context).

>>139289774
Yotsuba is easy for begginer? No way.

>>139289649
Who's native?

>>139289837
Okay, then to take a spin on it, what good manga do you recommend that are easier to read than reading Yotsuba with the reading pack that explains the stuff that beginners would have problems with like slurring or puns?

>>139289837
This >>139289936. What might be easier than Yostsuba&! to start with? Core sentences? At one point or another, you gotta dive in.

>>139289671
>It's not really just X...
>Or Y...
>It's more like Z...
>etc
It's nothing too deep m8.

>>139289936
>>139289981
I said that I would hesitate to recommend comedy manga, but I didn't say that they shouldn't be recommended by anyone else. Yotsuba is pretty clearly working out for people, and has the reading pack set up for it, so there's no need to shake it up. Furthermore, you both said "easier"... I wasn't talking about things being easier than comedy, just that comedy really loses its charm when you're bad at the language. A dissected frog and all that. Yotsuba is as easy as it gets, its just that in the process of learning from it you'll step on the humour to some degree or another. And though you have to dive in at one point or another, you'll make less of a wreck in a non-comedy than a comedy.

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>>139290147

>>139290147
>>139290255
意味深い言葉ね。

>>139290203
>And though you have to dive in at one point or another, you'll make less of a wreck in a non-comedy than a comedy.
Hence why we're asking you what you would recommend as a total beginner even before tackling Yotsuba&!. I'm not angry or upset, just curious honestly.

>>139290203
Right, I understand that you feel that way, which is why I was wondering what you would recommend in place of Yotsuba as a first experience with real native material. Just wondering.

これを読めるなら尻取り遣りましょ！

り、林檎！

How would you say in Japanese "My dick is so big it has its own dick"?

The best I've been able to come up with would be 俺のちんぽは大きいほど(ちんぽは)ちんぽがあります。

But I feel like it's too unnatural. Would you say it in another way? And the part in parentheses, is it strictly required? I assume so, since it would be kinda difficult to find out what I'm referring to otherwise.

>>139290500
午後

>>139290500
ゴリラ

>>139290500
御成敗式目

>>139290531
>>139290532
That's an amazing coincidence

>>139290547
Dammit anon what are you doing.

>>139290531
>>139290532

ら、落書き！

>>139290547
ごじゃねえ、ラだった

>>139290594
き、希望！

>>139290594
禁中並公家諸法度

>>139289671
>ミルカさんの場合
In Miruka-san's case,
>単に見るだけじゃないっていうか
You might say it wasn't just simply looking,

>距離感が
The feeling of distance,
>他の人と違うっていうか・・・
You might say it was different from other people...

I don't understand the context so I can only translate it fairly literally, but this っていうか structure indicates that he's offering only one possible explanation for the given situation.

>>139290636
日和

>>139290634

ぼ、木刀！

>>139290710
等々

>>139290704
しょはっと…びより…辻褄合ったりせん

>>139290743

と、馴鹿！

What word would you tattoo yourself with?

>>139290792
一途

You have 5 seconds to convince me to not buy a year long subscription of WaniKani. Money isn't a problem at all since my mom says she would pay for it.

>>139290831
Saucisson - literally funniest word in existence.

>>139290831
中出しの喜び

>>139290831
中出し or 中級地獄

>>139290855
Even if it were 100% free it still wouldn't be recommended. Hell, you could pay me the sub fee to use it instead of an Anki-based alternative and I still wouldn't use it.

>>139290855
Go for it and never come back please.
>>139290877
>中級地獄
My man.

>>139290855
Do it.

>>139290831
バカ外人

>>139290855
Just buy a high quality laser from Bitlasers. It'll help your Japanese ability much more than WaniKani will.

>>139290837

と、突撃！

>>139290943
き、奇談！

>>139290869
wut. Why ?

>>139290993
>implying not

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>community mnemonics

>>139290941
so you mean like an actual laser? how would that help at all?

>>139290977

ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

>>139289671
Either you read more, until you understand it instinctively from exposure.
Or you google them and get better explanations from other websites.
Or you read literally any grammar guide not named Tae Kim that goes in depth in Basic Grammar, and you will understand them just fine.

>>139291024

Good mnemonics are memorable so stuff like that is way better than something plain.

>>139291024
Literally the best mnemonics. Just wait until you get to 泊.

>>139291044
しまったよね　（；。；）

>>139291173
なに？

>>139291231
I never get it right you know

>>139291038
"bitlasers屋からレーザーを買った
次の日に日本語を習った" - Anonymous

"its the primo way to learn japanese even better than wankikani or anki" - Anonymous

"anyone serious about learning japanese has a bitlaser and a 4chan pass in their toolbox" - Anonymous

"Just buy a high quality laser from bitlasers that has been proven to increase your Japanese ability several times over." - Anonymous

"Researchers says that having a laser pointed in your forehead while studying increases your retention by up to 80%." - Anonymous

"Yeah, lasers are pretty cool, man. Fampaitachi need to realise that having a big ass laser on your shelf will boost your Japanese learning abilities by at least 50%" - Anonymous

>>139291316
I was going to say you were a sad fuck for saving all those. But then I remembered it's just you isn't it.

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>>139291316
>mfw those are actual quotes from anons

>>139291384
Not that hard to go back a couple threads and type "bitlasers"

New learner here just getting into it. I have to take a language course in the fall so I figured if I started learning now I wouldn't have to waste as much time studying japanese later. Do you guys use pictures with anki? Just curious.

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So, started learning this interestingのにとても難しい language (I'm talking about Japanese).
And I started talking to some native people from Japan that speak Japanese very well, I want to choose a name in 漢字 rather than my name that sounds awful in カタカナ。
Is there any guide for 外人 that would tell me all about it? I'm considering choosing some cool 漢字 like - 甲、悪、鬼、武、劒、闘、戦。I know I can only choose 4, but that's the current list. Do you have any cool suggestions?

>>139291407
>horriblesubs

Anyone here can comfortably read Dies Irae / Muramasa? How long have you studied?

Just curious.

>>139291422
that actually seems really difficult nice job wasting everyone's time

>>139291483
That comes from a folder of pictures I gathered for the 10k before the anon abandoned the project.

>>139291502
no problem man have a good day

>>139291464
How about 中田氏？

>>139291519
10k?

>>139291547
dai jou bou

>>139291576
Some anon was making a Core10k that used anime girl pictures instead of stock photos.

>>139291576
An anon wanted to do a 10k with only anime pictures.

>>139291557
I can't read that very well, sorry, and I don't like the last kanji that much. Also it's 3 characters, how is that supposed to be a name?

>>139291618
It's read なかだし.

>>139290941
Follow up question have any of you taken a japanese course in college? will people think I'm weird if I am taking just because I watch anime? Not that I'll go around telling people that but if someone happened to ask me why I'm taking it should I tell the truth or will that be too weird?

I really don't get it with all these "new japanese learners" in this thread.

It seems like almost every single day in the past 2 months we have at least 1 new learner here. If not 3-4 a week. Yet the number of average posters in this thread in the same 2 months never increased dramatically.
In addition, the level of question being asked by these new learners never progressed into asking one or two level of japanese questions that are more advanced in the past 2 months.

By a rough count, there should be at least 25-35 new learners in the past 2 months, but the "beginners" questions variations are always at the same level.

25-35 people "studying japanese" and NOT a single one of them asked about causative-passive, or causative? Or kureru and morau differences?

It's always, always a variation of "how am I supposed to study since I am a beginner".

My autistic question from this long post is basically is this. Is there somebody manufacturing false questions and pretending to be new beginners and trolling other djt residence, including me?

>>139291652
Oh, I wouldn't want that kind of name then.

>>139291672
Please go from djt and stay go.

>>139291681
They probably just give up again.

>>139291681
You forgot one extremely important point: There's a ton of quitters. I'd even go as far and say they're in the 90%+ range.

>>139291600
>>139291616
Did he do it? I want that.

>>139291681
This is a strange post

The idea of you putting in this much thought while still missing that one autists full day spam seems unlikely

Are you him, trying to derail the thread?

>>139291672
>:^)

>全 = zen
>全て = zen + te = subete
>全く = zen + ku = mattaku
???

>>139291681
>My autistic question from this long post is basically is this. Is there somebody manufacturing false questions and pretending to be new beginners and trolling other djt residence, including me?
Yes. He's admitted multiple times to flooding the thread with dozens, sometimes over a hundred fake posts. He said he's been doing it since Feb.

Also this >>139291759
What's the deal? Do you just not visit the thread often?

>>139291740
>>139291772
so none of you ever took a japanese course in college then?

>>139291793
That's kanji you're dealing with

>>139291757
No, I was one of the major contributors but I had to go for three days without Internet connection, and when I came back no one was working on it anymore so I simply gave up. I might pick it up again someday but not right now, since no one seems to want to help honestly.

>>139291793
Is this one of the spammers fake questions or have you just not read past the first few pages of Tae Kim?

>>139291681
you're "the one who can't be namd" aren't you? Fuck off back to the sewers you leech

>>139291811
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not a troll but just an idiot

Don't study Japanese only for the sake of anime. If you're interested for other reasons, like wanting to learn more languages and other Japanese things then cool, but don't tell people that anime is your main motivation and don't bother trying if it actually is your main motivation.

>>139291501
I'm guessing no replies means "no". Oh well.

>>139291811
You're actually wrong (I'm 740), I once took part in a Japanese college class because a friend of mine kept insisting how great it was. When I actually got there, 80% couldn't read kana correctly after two months of studying basic grammar (and I mean, ultra-basic stuff like 私はボッブです。).

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I don't get it.

>>139291896
自分で読んでみればどう？そんなに難しくはない。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VN3LsDPEa8

>>139291941
People writing in ローマじ often confuse stuff and add spaces where they don't belong or even read 'ou' as 'o' + 'u' which is fundamentally wrong in most of Japanese words. There is no such thing in actual Japanese, written in hiragana/kanji.
The joke is on the fact that even the guy speaking about roumaji doesn't know how it's pronounced or written correctly.

>>139292002
>自分で読んでみればどう？そんなに難しくはない。
It's freaking long though. I think that's actually what puts off most advanced learners.

>>139291873
Well I'm not really learning it just because of anime, but it is because of anime/manga that I am learning it. I mainly want to learn it because the idea of knowing another language has always interested me, it doesn't matter what language it is. The reason Japanese would be the choice is because I figured I'd have the better chance of retaining the knowledge since I know I'll always be watching anime and reading manga. If I ever do become fluent I would like to think I would make use of it by traveling to Japan.

So anime isn't my main motivation, learning a language is my main motivation. It just so happens that anime and manga is what makes me want to learn Japanese over other languages. Which doesn't change the honest answer to the question of "Why Japanese?" from being "I like anime and manga."

>>139292125
Honestly, if you really wanna learn Japanese, don't go to college classes. You can try one if you like, but that's not there that you'll learn most of your stuff. Use it to ask question to your instructor. If you're really motivated in learning Japanese, read the guide in the OP. If you have questions on what stuff to use and why, you can come back here. Try out the resources first, though.

>>139292111
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ORHcuom3-LkJ:tlwiki.org/index.php%3Ftitle%3DVN/Eroge_Script_sizes
>Soukou Akki Muramasa 2.86

さほど長くものない。少なくともこれ以上の長さあるゲームも幾つもある。

>>139292212
>さほど長くものない。少なくともこれ以上の長さあるゲームも幾つもある。
That's the line count. You can't compare Moege that have short lines and Muramasa that uses long-ass sentences (and that's not even touching the difficulty of the kanji used there).

>>139287927
That one even has borderline OK anatomy... I really like Steins;Gate's look, but huke really should take some anatomy lessons...

>>139291759
It's just that I remembered replying to some posts in the past 2 months from beginners, and I wonder how is it that there was barely a single one of them asking some basic-but-slightly-higher-level questions afterwards.

>>139291759
I didn't miss that thread when it happened but I did closed the tab and not returned for 2 days or so. Fuck all that drama man.

>>139291802
>Yes. He's admitted multiple times to flooding the thread
>since Feb.
Yeah alright I missed this. Motherfucker that was disappointing.

Okay how about now? Is that person still doing these fake questions or has he quit doing it?

>>139292289
>MB size

Any drop outs / actual NEETs here? How are you doing? I'm pretty stupid myself and need a long time to get even just basic stuff, is there any hope for me trying to learn? I really can't imagine myself being able to memorize thousands of kanji or reading at a decently fast pace even in the future..

>>139292289
>that's the line count
No that was the file size of the script which is indicative of raw character count
That said it does take longer to read more difficult works, and 3mb~ is on the higher side anyway. However, you said it's length is what puts people off but its really not. It's definitely the difficulty.

>>139292325
My bad, I didn't consider this. Still, you can't say that it's 'not very long'. Muramasa is still long. The fact that there are longer VNs or VNs of comparable size doesn't actually go against this.

>>139292302
>Okay how about now? Is that person still doing these fake questions or has he quit doing it?
Yes. He's being quiet now outside of that, but prepare for his next break of autism where he finds something new to throw a massive fit in the thread over. The most recent one was the OP link redirect we were using.

>>139292327
Bretty good
You can learn if you don't give up. Language is squired through sheer exposure, so just keep reading/doing anki and you'll make it.

>>139291501
they are difficult to read for reasons other than just purely the text such as being boring and gay

>>139291316
lasers are the fuckin shit man

>>139291464
yeah just go from just being a normal gaijin to being a fuckin weirdo gaijin

>>139291681
as it turns out the 新人はお前

>>139292302
yeah im pretty sure theres stuff posted not in earnest currently

Someone here said that it's not that difficult in terms of reading, but there are a lot of references to culture in Muramasa. How exactly does someone get ready for that?

>>139292327
Doing pretty good.

>>139292327

>Any drop outs / actual NEETs here?

Where exactly do you think you are

Also anyone without a learning disability can learn Japanese with enough time and effort, although if you've already imagined yourself failing then you're off to a real bad start.

>>139292440
You become Japanese.

>>139292435
Why is choosing a kanji name considered weird?

>>139292440
Weep little lion man

>>139292489
I'll be done infusing myself with Samurai blood this week, would that be enough?

>>139292387
So that means a big part of unnecessary bullshit on recent djt threads are caused by one guy, great.

>>139292353
例を挙げよう。
>Sakura no Uta
>3.23
全然永く感じなかった。ゲームがよくさえあればどんなに長くてもサクサク読める。

>>139292555
>ゲームがよくさえあればどんなに長くてもサクサク読める。
Of course, I'm not denying that. It's like reading Tolkien when English is not your primarily language, it's long and hard to read, but it's so interesting that you'll never feel like stopping. Well, if you like Tolkien that is.

>>139292546
The guy who threw a fit over the ugly Sakura image being rejected, the guy who made the /qa/ thread, the guy who spammed fake threads to make the mods mad, the guy who's been spamming fake posts, the guy who deactivated a bunch of CoR links, and the guy who whined about the OP link are all the same person.

>>139292634
>the guy who deactivated a bunch of CoR links
Wait what?

>>139286990
Do what interests you and learning will just happen.

>>139292634
> the guy who deactivated a bunch of CoR links
I think I missed that part, or skim read the thread about it. But for the rest, what the actual fuck.

That is mindblowing... on second thought probably not, given that we are on 4chan. Though still, what in the blue hell is that guy even thinking.

>>139292621
で、村正は面白みに満ちている。だから文章の量を気にせんで読み進める。

New thread? We're over the bump limit.

>>139292494
Ask your japanese friends and see their face change into awkwardness and mild discomfort.

>>139292723
All the dead links in the CoR were on his account and he deactivated them out of anger (while in a heated argument he said he's the one who created the CoR and then shortly after that a bunch of links started dying). Luckily people made backups for the all of the text LNs and the important decks though, so all that was really lost was some movies and manga that no one has re-uploaded.

>私はとても困りました
>I am having trouble
>まことに困りました
>I am truly at a loss as to how to act

Why do they use the past tense here?

>>139292799
I don't have any Japanese friends IRL. I just speak to them via texting. But the won't explain it though even if they think it's weird.

>>139292769
He's a strange guy. Way too committed to be a troll but some of his stuff just can't be legit, like telling people to write an essay about what they studied that day to prove they weren't wasting their time in /djt/ doing nothing before actually being allowed to question him and his contradicting posts

>>139292769
He's spent hundreds of hours doing this crap at this point. If he hates DJT that much I don't really get why he wouldn't just use the filter function like a sane human being would, but whatever.

>>139293015
Saved

>>139291464
>>139291618
A bit late but names don't have to be 2 characters each just so you know.

To illustrate, here's two names 櫻 （さくら） and 藤本太郎喜左衛門将時能 （ふじもとたろうきざえもんのしょうときよし）

>>139293015
かっこいいビットレーザですね。

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>>139292914

Seriously what magic is this where past tense can be past and present?

>>139292983
why does it have to be an essay as one extreme as opposed to nothing at all, the other extreme

i think its valid to ask people to share something from their study when they post about how they studied and attach a stupid anki stats picture

>>139292963
The other guy is right. Normally gaijin just don't do that.

>>139292983
Heh. I actually thought sakuraposter were just here to argue some bullshit and never actually learned any japanese. But it seems like he could be very good in japanese if he's being judged solely from the fact that he uploads a lot CoR materials.


>>139293039
>filter
Wait... is he also that one guy seemingly hate imouto to his core? Or that is another, different guy that just have an issue with avatarfagging?

>>139293062
The last one is pretty cool, but I'm sure that's unachievable for a 外人. What name do you think I should pick with my character list?

>>139293136
its only present tense in the sense that "i am in the state of having been troubled" for example

the english sentences there now sound a whole lot better dont they

>>139293140
It's one thing to casually discuss things you're reading (happens quite often in the thread) and how you're finding it, it's another to be extremely hostile and demand as much proof as possible (including calling import history over the course of several days fake) and demanding that you translate several excerpts from what you're reading to show that you're actually reading something.

>>139293195
There could be several guys for all we know but there is definetely one very commited guy

>>139293195
Great paranoia. Is it really that hard to believe that someone would have an issue with avatarfagging on this site?

>>139293195
>Wait... is he also that one guy seemingly hate imouto to his core? Or that is another, different guy that just have an issue with avatarfagging?
Considering someone was spamming the shit out of imouto posts the other day after spamming a ton of fake questions, I wouldn't be surprised, but who knows, I was more referring to filtering the DJT thread as a whole so he wouldn't see it anymore though.

>>139293195
But I'm not very normal, I don't care what other 外人 do with their katakana names.

>>139293245
i mean i agree when it comes to that kind of autistic intensity but what came to mind when i wrote that was an exchange where someone wouldnt even say one word after talking about studying for like 80 minutes or some shit

however i did get a few favorable responses (in that they at least posted something) from asking the same thing to a few people though

>>139293136

Japanese past tense doesn't function the exact same way as the English past tense, so it goes.

>>139293140
But that happened, anon. Some one actually replied to his list of "What'd did you read today? What interesting kanji did you learn? What happened in whatever you read, prove you read it", but the guy that seriously answered him was just told not to google random games and kanji just to pretend.

>>139292914
The japanese 'past tense' just means that the action the verb expresses is finished, so here it mean that whatever is troubling you has already happened, so now you need to do something about it.

>>139293406
Don't forget that he later added on that the review must be in both English and Japanese

He's a paradox man. It's literally impossible he's serious with the bullshit he keeps calling people out on yet he's way too invested to do it as a joke and way too hostile to do it for self entertainment

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This may just be the greatest pun of all time.

>>139286586
I found a bunch of epubs once on PD, of the Kadokawa Tsubasa Bunsho reprints of the Bokura, 2-A, and Tokyo Cats' Town series by Osamu Souda. They're a pretty easy read, and more interesting than the literal baby books in that one picture book torrent on nyaa.

Anyone actually bought the physical Tae Kim or do you guys use the web version?

Hey guys I have a really stupid question.

What exactly does the phrase "nandesute" mean and what are the components of it? I'm really confused about it.

>>139292914
困る is an instantaneous verb. The meaning in Japanese is more like "become troubled/at a loss" rather than just "be troubled/at a loss," if that makes any sense.

困る means "to become troubled," while 困った means "I have become troubled," which is basically the same thing as "I am troubled." This is also why 困っている and 困った are almost interchangeable.

There are many other verbs in Japanese that behave this way but don't translate as neatly.

>>139293644
>日本の法律では同意があっても13歳未満の者と性行為をすれば強姦罪に問われ、18歳未満の者と性行為をすれば都道府県の淫行処罰規定に該当します。
>本書は犯罪を教唆するものではありません。また、18歳未満の者の性行為を表現したものではありません。

>>139293268
>>139293282
More than one person having the same issue, sure. I do think there is seemingly one person that seems to be very into hating imouto.

>>139293338
Cool. Respect.

>>139293136
English tense says when something happens in time, i.e. in the past. Japanese tense do it from a different viewpoint. Don't know how to say it exactly. Relative to time or something?

困りました is a completed, realized state. In the state of being 困る. Hence, past tense. Just read more and don't think too much about 1:1 in regards to tense.

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>>139293756

Don't worry it's all daijoubu.

>>139293728
check the お嬢様辞典

>>139293756
thank god for that

>>139293203
Your own name in katakana unless you're just talking about a username or something.

>>139293736
>>139293362
>>139293812

So let me guess, to determine if it's currently troubled or previously troubled but no longer when both are 困りました it's... context.

>>139293900
dont even do katakana. why make your own name sound more foolish

keep it in english and be proud of your own name

>>139293900
I want a name with the following characters: 甲悪鬼武劒闘戦。I mean 4 characters from this list.
>>139293943
But my name is not English.

>>139292914
If you want more information on the use of past tense and present tense, check the first part of the DoIJG.

>>139293644
How could you even translate that pun? Sucks having such hilarious dialogue and being unable to let the readers experience it.

>>139293902
That's why don't think about it too much and just read more.
If you keep thinking the way you're thinking, you'll be left wondering why you need past tense verb to talk about something that happens in the future.

>>139294067
What a faggot. I hope you're not calling yourself Dave O'Connor when you're traveling in Ireland.

>>139293728

It's just a sassy nandatte?

>what VN(s) made you finally start learning Japanese?
>have you read them yet and did you enjoy them as much as you thought?

>>139294216
Who are you quoting?

is 毛糸 pronounced け+いと or けい+と?

>>139294067
if your names not something that can be written well in english letters then the barrier gets even higher

i still think its cool to preserve your true name and use katakana only to teach how to say it or whatever though

though i guess if youre insistent on kanji 黒炎巨匠 will suffice

>>139294216
>what VN(s) made you finally start learning Japanese?
You're implying I'm learning Japanese for a specific VN which is not the case. Also, why are you using the quote function?

>>139294261
>though i guess if youre insistent on kanji 黒炎巨匠 will suffice
ww

>>139294195
I don't visit countries with subhumans.
>>139294261
My name can be written in English, but the pronunciation is very different from the original. If my name undergoes the Source - English - Katakana change it becomes pretty hideous.
I don't like the 黒 kanji very much. I wanna use something like 甲鬼・武劒.

>>139294380
Don't do it. It really is ridiculous. Chinese do it with english names, and that's already stupid enough.

>>139294380
>I don't visit countries with subhumans.
Where are you from?

>>139294456
I've heard that like 5 times already, but nobody has explained why it's ridiculous. I don't see any problem, katakana is stupid.
>>139294458
The Glorious Nippon basically (日本国)

>>139294535
>The Glorious Nippon basically (日本国)
I see, so you're the subhuman.

痛い目

>>139294380
what's your name?

>>139294595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgPOZijy1Q8

>>139294456
>Chinese do it with english names, and that's already stupid enough.
Because their name is super difficult to pronounce for us. I personally think Japanese also should have their English names.

>>139294666
But Japanese names arn't hard for us to pronounce at all

>>139294380
Dude, this guy right here >>139294261 just quote Chuunibyou's "Dark Flame Master" on you.

>>139294666
6/10 here's your (You)

>>139294726
fuck man come on

>>139294772
This one was great Jamal, I didn't see it coming honestly.

>>139294583
No, I'm a very white 白人 and a honorary 日本人.
>>139294595
I'm going by 甲鬼・武劒 for now, but I'll probably make a few improvements. It's read 「ヨロイ・タケツルギ」. Translation is 「Armored Demon・Warrior of the Sword」.
>>139294726
I'm pretty sure his name has something to do with incinerating black people.

>>139294772
lol. I thought you'd feel good somebody got your reference. Turns out it's the other way around. Sorry.

>>139294855
>No, I'm a very white 白人 and a honorary 日本人.
I'm just messing with you anyway, since your trolling was obvious from the get go.

>>139294920
Yeah, I figured that you would be salty about someone being unique and not conforming to the katakana standard.

>>139294971
>Yeah, I figured that you would be salty
I'm more into pepper myself.

>>139294855
cant your name just be carl who likes pussy also no it has nothing to do with burning black people god already did that so no weird racist shit please

>>139294866
精通者はわかることだよ

>>139294971
just be you dude even if its gay its your right

>>139295054
i just ate bacon, and i put pepper on it. allow me to use that segue into something:
i've heard that bacon in japan is crap, and that it's all fake processed stuff, that what they call bacon there is sort of just a symbol depicting the *idea* of bacon, or something. furthermore, i've heard that because of this, japanese people don't even consider it meat. can anyone share some insight on this? in general i find it sort of hard to believe, they probably have some equivalent to real bacon don't they?

>>139295309
i mean you can just eat horse bacon i guess

>>139293644
>>139294109

That pun is literally untranslateable, no english phrase could mean both shove it in deep and copyright page.

>>139295309
>i've heard that bacon in japan is crap, and that it's all fake processed stuff

No.

Source: I live in Japan

>>139294109
>translating
The intended readers experience it already.

>>139293644
I'm too dumb to get it even with rikai

>>139296066
>奥付/奥付け: Copyright page
>奥付け: SHOVE IT IN DEEP! (copyright pages are put at the back hence why they got that name)

other acceptable tls include "up ya butt"

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>>139294109
You don't.

>author afterword
>本作品、如何だったでしょうか？諸々の説明や小話は割愛し、見ていただき、楽しんでいただけたら幸いです。(rambles on for another paragraph*

What's that 諸々の説明や小話は割愛し bit saying? Can't make heads or tails of it.

おはようおにいちゃん

たいへんなの

>>139293644
source? isbn doesn't work and if the name's in the image i'm too much of a scrub to find it

>>139293644
Someone explain it, I want to know if my guess is right without ridiculing myself if I'm wrong

>>139296580
The title's right there at the top of the copyright box like every work ever.

>>139296640
You ridiculed yourself already by not reading the thread. >>139296167 >>139295574

>>139296645
I tried that but I'm not getting any results

>>139296675
>>139296675
Oh, I couldn't understand his post at first. Now I get it. Why are we pretending it's the greatest pun of all time?

>>139296804
I get links to torrents and amazon just by putting in google so better check your spelling.

>>139296840

It might not be the best ever but it's a pretty good pun to be honest kazoku, I'd give it 8/10.

>>139296840
i mean to be honest i wanted to write something @ that like hey i read manga for the first time today mom but i decided against it cause its kinda mean

anyway yeah its a funny joke for the kids

>>139296854
Nevermind I found the author
Idk what I'm doing wrong with the title though

>>139296840
The Greatest Pun of All Time

>>139296318
no one? ;_;

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>>139297307
>>139296318

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>>139286550
>>139286541
Try Flyable Heart. Don't get put off by the moege look and introduction, it has a really high quality scifi plot that gets developed in the routes. Certainly a lot better than 聖騎士, that's for sure.

Is there a way to combine Rikaisama auto-import with Epwing2Anki? It would get audio + slightly better translations. Or am I too autistic?

Anyway can somebody repost the link to the guide how to set up auto-import to Anki in Rikaisama?

おい、 正直言って家族だぞ！「首を振る」

>>139297307
"basically i wrote this thing like shit but,"

Dumb question :

I set anki to reset at 23:00 because I'd usually wake up rather early so it'd give me the entire day to do my reps which was perfect. Problem is nowadays I wake up rather late and I feel rushed having to finish my reps before 23 so I'd like to push the date during the night / morning, let's say 6-9am but it seems I'd lose a day if I'd do that?

What to do?

>>139296318
I think it's a reaction to DFW

>>139297362
I've read it and it's probably the closest to what I'm looking for in terms of route content and relationship progression, yeah.

>>139297523
Answer you want: Push it ahead in one hour intervals every day.
Answer you need: Stop caring about stuff like this and just set the new time.

>>139297362
Thanks, I heard a lot about it but was indeed put of by the look. I'll check it out.

>>139297503
How does that work?
>諸々の説明や小話は割愛し、見ていただき、楽しんでいただけたら

The 見ていただき、楽しんでいただけたら that follows after means the entire sentence is referring to something the readers are doing right? Just no idea what.

>>139297527
DFW?

>>139297708
ok ok it says "if you skip all the long winded bullshit,"

>>139297598
Oh I see. Sadly no other VN I've read is as good in that way, I've read VNs with fantastic romances and relationships, and I've read VNs with enthralling, well-written plots, but no VN does both of them simultaneously as well as Flyable Heart.

>>139286477
Is there an actual word for shoegaze in japanese or is シューゲーズ about right?

>>139297832
Pls no troll bully.

>>139297918
that answer was in earnest i just didnt literal tl it because you know those words right

>>139297906
you can also just leave it as shoegaze in english letters because people who know it know but yeah it remains and english term either way

>>139297868
Any with just the former? I mostly just don't like having a ton of lewd scenes shoved in my face and would rather that time be spent on progressing the relationship at a slower rate and having lots of cute moments even after the first H scene.

>>139298014
Yeah i was gonna leave it english but it felt weird which is why i asked if that kana form would work, just gonna leave it in english since it is an english word and you never see it in Kana
thanks

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So guys

what

if

we had our own teamspeak server?

>>139297906
It would be written in katakana, but that's not the proper spelling. Please tell me you're not one of those artists that shoves shitty Japanese in their song info/covers because it looks cool.

>>139298198
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5c5SSAIKwY

そんな感じ

>>139298198
Kill yourself

>>139298198
You could just do reading practice, instead of wasting your time.