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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://bitlasers.com/djt

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>>138755726
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おそっすぎる
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>finished watching Sailor Moon
>looking around for compelling content
>been watching this one let's player on niconico
>go look for some of his older videos
>find this
Guess I'll have to watch this
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onTKv0A44PA

俺はdjtを通り抜けるって感じのビデオ
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>two typos in one word
Not even natives know Japanese.
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>>138788847
play the game, nerd.
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>>138789080
but its so much easier to just watch someone else do it then i dont have to do anything but sit here and drool on myself
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>>138789366
Is that fun to you?
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>>138788689
I even don't know why I have this.
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口端
How is this pronounced?
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>>138789415
He is just into game ntr.
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>>138789415
i was just writing that sarcastically. i think watching people play videogames is gay as fuck
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I wonder if he made these stories intentionally terrible to make them stick out more in one's mind.
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>>138789476
Niggerfaggot.
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>>138789579
I may be wrong, but IIRC he pretty much spells it out in the introduction.
Hit up koohii if you don't like Heisig's stuff.
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>>138789080
The game looks like shit and has hardly any japanese text so I'd rather just watch it be played while getting listening practice and reading practice from reading the comments flying by
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>>138789720
Or just do a radical deck and make up your own shit as you go if your memory isn't good enough for straight up memorization. Individual kanji study seems like a waste of time if your goal isn't to learn to write by hand.
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>>138789476
I'd place my bet on くちばた.
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>>138789861
>individual kanji study seems like a waste of time unless you write by hand

Why is the DJT guide seemingly the only place online where this is said? It feels to me like everywhere else says that you fucking MUST learn kanji if you want to get anywhere (even without writing being mentioned).
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>>138789476
it's "lmao he's actually learning kanji"
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>>138790055
where did my spoiler go?
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>>138789990
Well, of course you must learn kanji to be able to read. It's just both easier and more effective to just learn them words in kanji and get the feel for their reading and meaning from there.
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>>138789990
Are you under the impression that those who don't do individual kanji study don't learn kanji at all? What exactly do you think Core decks are? DJT values efficiency above all else, and if you can't handle jumping straight into rote Anki memorization, then that just a personal problem with mental capacity.
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>>138789476
https://kotobank.jp/word/口端-484151
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>>138790234
values efficiency huh

how do you figure
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Please teach me the difference between the suffix さ and み such as 高さ 高み or 面白さ 面白み.
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>>138790101
You mean learn to recognize specific kanji by the words they appear in (in vocab)?

>>138790234
Isn't it disingenuous to say that a person learns kanji through learning vocab though? I do use the core deck and I do know what certain words are that contain kanji but isn't that quite different from knowing the actual kanji itself

I'll be honest and say I'm not entirely clear on the difference between learning kanji and learning vocab. For instance, I know that 住む is "to live" or "to reside". But does that imply that the meaning of the kanji 住 is "live", "reside" etc? Or is it only "live" or "reside" when it's the full 住む?

I realise that I appear ignorant here.
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>>138790569
No, go read it yourself in the DOJG.
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>>138790783
I don't have it
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>>138790569
functionally the same but さ tells you that something is to some amount or extent and み just tells you that something is (i would italicize this last "is" if i could)
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>>138790395
First misconception that prevents people from seeing it is that some think you can read japanese just by knowing the meaning of each kanji. Which is of course completely false.

Just as with any other language you must learn the words themselves.

Of course, knowing how to pronounce everything helps a _ton_ we all know that. But if the amount of effort necessary to learn them is comparable to the effort needed to learn the words themselves then it's not efficient to learn that way.
It's efficient in other languages because there's like 40-50 characters or so, which is far smaller than the number of words in the language.


If you think there's a big difference in learning a kanji vs. learning a word then I'd like to point out that even in english you don't read words letter by letter.
If taht weer ture tehn you wuoldn't be albe to raed tihs setnecne.
You can read that because we actually don't learn words by their components.

There's also the fact that learning the kanji meaning (as a mnemonic) together with seeing it in multiple different places (different vocabulary words) provides a fairly strong context to help you remember faster than just learning thousands of kanji by themselves.
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My Japanese level is sub-shit. Please help me understand what's being asked in this sentence. The person asking it uses a lot of contractions and no where in the rest of the story is a "job" or "work" mentioned.
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>>138790916
It's in the CoR.
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>>138789861
I think there's something to be said for actually learning the kanji, particularly if you cut yourself enough slack to avoid the review death spiral.
It helps you attack vocab from two different angles, crossreferencing vocabulary words and their constituent kanji. So a new word isn't just a series of combinations of radicals, but a series of distinct kanji. And likewise, that kanji is part of those vocab words you know.
It also gives you a solid foundation of meanings and readings which helps you with rare vocab down the line. Stuff that a vocab deck would only throw at you many thousands of words down the line might be figured out by an RTK graduate.
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>>138790612
>but isn't that quite different from knowing the actual kanji itself
How? It isn't at all. If you for some reason have trouble remembering what the kanji means or confuse 2 similar kanji you can make up a mnemonic right away while doing core, you don't need a separate deck for that at all.
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>>138791033
I guess the person was asked to do something before he went to work, and that was incredibly a lot of amount to complete so he said "仕事だってあんだぞ(I will go work from now)"
He wanted to say "I can't to do this shit before I go to work" I guess.
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>>138791033
前後がわからないなら
どっちかわからないよ
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>>138791108
It's sort of like climbing a staircase cause they all lead to the same place: up. Learning kanji individually / doing some radical study is like climbing 1 step at a time, whereas just diving into vocab / reading is like climbing 2 or 3 at a time. It's harder on you initially but arguably more efficient if you can handle it. Again, both ways lead to the same destination, it's just dividing it into more steps makes it easier on yourself.

The one pitfall of splitting it into too many steps is taking too long. Since it's already less efficient, if you move at a glacial pace you're getting into "hurting yourself" territory - doing a little prestudy is supposed to speed up the later steps. If you take too long, it will be much slower overall, even if learning vocab is easier.
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>>138791108
>So a new word isn't just a series of combinations of radicals, but a series of distinct kanji.
Do you seriously believe people can't isolate kanji in a word without RTK? Holy shit.
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皆は日本の曲を聞いて自分が聞き取れるかどうか試したりするの?
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>>138791381
Yes, RTK shills are actually brain damaged.
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Can someone explain exactly what "news for VIP" is supposed to be about?
I hear about that board sometimes and VIPPERS and I get the feeling it's supposed to be some kind of random board (but much less shitty than /b/)
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>>138791033
Context?

仕事だってあんだぞ!
Even if is work-tte 「あんだぞ!」
Anyone know what あんだぞ means? is it a contraction of あのだぞ?
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>>138791441
心で原爆の音だけ響く
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>>138791673
あんだぞ is the frank phrase of あるんだぞ
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>>138791673
あるんだぞ
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>>138791616
You should know a bit complicated history about "VIP".
You can read why they are called as VIPPER here
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%9B%91%E8%AB%87%E7%B3%BB2_%282%E3%81%A1%E3%82%83%E3%82%93%E3%81%AD%E3%82%8B%E3%82%AB%E3%83%86%E3%82%B4%E3%83%AA%29#.E3.83.8B.E3.83.A5.E3.83.BC.E9.80.9FVIP
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>>138791733
>>138791757

is the person saying he has a job?
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>>138791375
wheres the step where you put everything together to create functional japanese and by extension demonstrate understanding
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>>138791862
kek
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>>138791862
Depends on the context but it will be.
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>>138791108
This guy gets it.

It is hard to appreciate this fact until you hit the ~2000 kanji mark and start to get them mixed up. At the minimum, you should learn the meaning of the individual kanji. Then, they can serve as mnemonics to help you memorize vocab. Also, believe it or not, there are many situations where the meaning of vocab is obvious just from the kanji.

The big pitfall to avoid is learning all the kanji up front. Study kanji and vocab in parallel, using vocab to strengthen your knowledge of the kanji, and vice versa. If you like Anki, there are several kanji decks out there which you can filter by your known Core words to focus your study.
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>>138791381
It's not so much that beginners can't tell where one ends and the next starts, they're all roughly box shaped and the same size.

It's that if you don't know anything about how radicals are typically laid out, it can feel like trying to remember a long string of strange shapes jammed together. It's not until you have a bunch of kanji under your belt do you start recognizing radicals / recurring strokes. Until then, it feels like a bunch of strangely shaped legos.

It can be particularly frustrating if you gloss over the details of a radical and get it mixed up with a similar looking one.

待つ 持つ 時間 問題 
土 戦士 
辛い 幸せ
These are all examples off the top of my head of characters that beginners can easily get mixed up (I mixed up some of these myself).

Even doing a little bit of radical / kanji study helps, writing a new kanji out a couple times. It forces you to really look at them in detail, thus strengthening your memory of them, making it easier to recognize them + distinguish among similar ones.
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>>138791733
So:
even though I have work!
仕事だってあるんだぞ

How do you learn to know that あんだぞ means あるんだぞ and what do you mean by frank phrase? I assume it means informal phrase?
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>>138791862
hes saying "but i do have a job?"
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>>138791931
you learn stuff like that the quickest from exposure to real people talking real casually
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>>138791820
Got anything in english?
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>>138791931
It's just a common slurring of the words.
あるんだ > あんだ
するんだ > すんだ
するな  > すんな
for example.
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>>138791931
I'm sorry I'm a Japanese, so I haven't learnt it.
And yes that is an informal phrase.
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>>138792016
is the ん -> の? I have heard that it can made into a ん
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>>138791915
The meaning of kanji comes from the vocab it is in. The difference is that between saying "Oh that's hold" and "oh that's the kanji from 持つ which means hold"

>>138791930
I am fully capable of writing 幸い and 辛い and still may mix them up when reading quickly. See that 2ch copypasta about the guy who switched their bosses kanji conversion settings
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>>138792099
yes
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>>138792099
Yes.
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>>138792102
>that 2ch copypasta about the guy who switched their bosses kanji conversion settings
kek, do you have a copy?
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>>138792099
あんだぞ
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Be careful of this attitude >>138790234
>a personal problem with mental capacity.
It's about what works for you, not what works for others.

For example, consider this autistic guy who can draw cityscapes over a period of 5 days, incredibly detailed, down to the number of windows in buildings, from a 30 minute helicopter ride:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfOWL8aeS74

Does your mental capacity have a "problem" if you can't do that?

Focus on learning japanese, not on your ego and whether or not you can handle someone else's autistic methodology. And desu the 10k bruteforce method is only slightly less autistic than the 3k kanji-first heisig method.

Learn them together.
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>>138792248
This.
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Long story short: I got recommended into an IT position in Japan by a friend but a requirement is I have to take the n2 in December.

How fucked am I with minimal Japanese background?
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Can anyone give any reviews on the Japanese for Everyone book? I hear it's on par with Genki
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>>138792181
休み時間ヒマだったので、上司のパソコンに
「うんゆ」→「運輪」
「こくどこうつうしょう」→「国土文通省」
「せんじつは」→「先曰は」
「けっさん」→「抉算」
「ねんどまつ」→「年度未」
「しゃちょう」→「杜長」
「おくえん」→「憶円」
などを辞書登録しておいた。
辛いまだバレていないようだ。
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>>138792248
Because there's a thin line between photographic memory and being unable to learn from rote memorization.
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できない
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>>138791375
>>138791381
You're missing the fact that all of this anki grinding is just building up the scaffolding to support your reading and listening further down the road. You can spend months or years in the anki hole, and it would all be the same until the point where you open your eyes and ears to actual content.

All else being equal, a guy with RTK+core2k is better prepared for reading than a guy with just core6k.
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>>138792403
i dont know you so i cant tell you

the situation itself on paper isnt an insane challenge in my opinion because theres materials to specifically target the test
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>>138792540
>the situation itself on paper isnt an insane challenge in my opinion because theres materials to specifically target the test
This. It depends on what you already know though.
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>>138792492
泣かないで
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My dick is twitching every heartbeat.
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>>138792582
God I watched the first two episodes of Love Live! with a friend today because he wanted to show me how great it was but the translation was do damn awful.
今日はいい天気だね somewhat turned into 'This is the best day ever".
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How is も being used here? I don't think it's simply "also", but I'm not sure. Is it being used like in for example 早くも? Like emphasis or whatever. I see similar stuff a lot and it always trips me up.
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>>138792452
kek
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>>138792512
>All else being equal, a guy with RTK+core2k is better prepared for reading than a guy with just core6k.

The guy with Core6k will know something like 400 fewer kanji and 4000 more words, not to mention having seen 4000 more example sentences on those cards, so I think he's quite a bit better prepared for reading.
But 6k is waiting a bit too long to start reading.
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>>138792665
yeah man what are those guys thinking
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>>138792452
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>>138792772
I mean, I know there are subs that are actually known for being stupid, but sometimes it just ticks me off.
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>>138792452
Well fuck, I wouldn't notice half of those, too.
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>>138792865
And you probably missed the main joke as did I until it was pointed out
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>>138792512
Even in that scenario, the guy with Core 6k under his belt would be better off. Realistically, absolutely everyone who's not an idiot starts consuming raw material the moment they've got a grasp on basic grammar. During this process, acquiring vocab rapidly through Core 6k/10k would again be the most efficient.
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>>138792913
>Realistically, absolutely everyone who's not an idiot starts consuming raw material the moment they've got a grasp on basic grammar.
Read: Everyone on /djt/.
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>>138791994
「VIP」という名の由来ははっきりしていないが、「特別扱いだから」、「せめて名前だけは聞こえがいいように」などの説がある。
The origin of the name of "VIP" is unknown but there are some theories such as "that's because that board is "special"" or "that's because at least the name sounds good (because the board is the bunch of shit)"

I translated with my poor English.
Does this make sense?
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>>138792897
Which is?
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>>138793114
Probably 辛い instead of 幸い
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>>138793114
The last line
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>>138793114
incompetence mockery of the boss at every stage
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>>138793062
Yeah that makes perfect sense, thanks.

I think I also picked up from that link that threads used to get moved to the VIP board if enough people wrote "kuso" in the email field. But that doesn't happen any more, is that right?

So what sort of topics are on it now? Is it like meta discussion (discussion about the rest of 2ch)? Or is it just random stuff
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>>138793161
Oh. I knew it but didn't at the same time. Much like Anki cards when I reveal them after a minute of staring.
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>>138793217
>But that doesn't happen any more, is that right?
yeah, right.

>So what sort of topics are on it now?
random.
VIP is to 2ch what /b/ is to 4chan
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>>138793529
It's allright, everyone makes mistakes
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>>138793529
>>138793486
>>138793427
What are you even trying to do here?
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>>138793529
Do you know our term "normalfag"? I don't know if there is a similar term in Japanese, but many consider /b/ users today to be normalfags.
Is VIP like that?
Or are they more interesting?

Sorry for all the questions, this is the last one.
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>>138793565
>>138793563
I'm sorry I made a lot of mistakes...
please forgive me
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>>138793620
i personally would love to talk about memes all day
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>>138793666
It's fine. For the record we could understand what you meant in all of them, even with the mistakes.
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>>138793620
>many consider /b/ users today to be normalfags.
Its just a trap and furry friendly edgy youtube comments section really
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>>138793666
its cool dude this is a place for making mistakes
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>>138793620
Normalfag is pretty much リア充. I don't think vippers are considered normalfags, although I can't claim to know shit abaout nip internet culture
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>>138793783
This whole board was a mistake
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>>138793808
I've heard normalfag defined a lot as people who seek social success. So they might not really be "normal" at all, but they are often highschoolers and come across as being edgy.
(I'm sure the definition has evolved in time)
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>>138793620
Yeah there is a similar term in VIP. That is "IP". That is an abbreviation of "IPPAN PEOPLE (一般ピープル)".
But it is usual to use the word "リア充" instead of it with the exception of VIP I guess
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俺は一般
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>>138793742
>>138793783
I'm glad to your kindness
thanks
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>>138793945
Ok, thanks for answering my questions.

I was curious because I want to start reading 2ch or futaba threads to help me learn Japanese.
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>>138794071
Do you think reading 4chan is helpful to learn English learners ?
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>>138794206
Only if you want to learn memespeak, ニガー .
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>>138794206
If you want to learn slang and how to insult people, sure.
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>>138793839
Isn't it ironic posting a mistranslation (or here a joke translation even) on a Japanese thread?
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>>138794206
it depends what board you read. some threads have good enough discussion to say its worthwhile for a learner to read

others have mostly bad jokes and garbage
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>>138793808
リア充 pretty much just means you have a gf/bf so it's quite different in nuance than normalfag
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>>138794291
They're completely made up quotes, not even mistranslations.

I think he was really just saying something a bit negative about animators today and someone made those images to make it sound much worse.
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>>138794466
>>138794466
> (or here a joke translation even)
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>>138794466
>I think he was really just saying something a bit negative about animators today
It was something along the lines of how animators today draw influence from other anime instead of personal experience
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>>138790984
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>>138794547
What the fuck is with some of these words
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>>138794206
馬鹿みたいなカキコ者になることは確か有用だね
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>>138794684
I dno't knwo man, lol
Myabe you'er jsut good at raeding raelly fsat or smething?
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Getting up at 06:30 tomorrow to do reps because I will be away from a computer all weekend and do not have portable Anki.
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>>138794786
Use review ahead and do some now?
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How are you supposed to learn how names are pronounced/read/produced?
Learning vocab, grammar, etc. is fairly straightforward for the most part, but there is this big conundrum with names I find no answer for.
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>>138794786
A weekend's just two days. Anki can wait
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>>138794919
I don't recall Snowden ever saying this.
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>>138794919
step 1 be not white
step 2 live in japan for a second
step 3 you know names
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>>138795003
>be not white
Sorry, but I like my 8.4 inch cock. Knowledge is something you can acquire, but cock size is something you're stuck with for life.
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>>138795271
>but cock size is something you're stuck with for life.
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>>138795271
i guess just call everyone tanaka then youre bound to be right 5% of the time
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>>138795373
Well, they all look alike, so designating them 田中 sounds like a plan.
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>>138795303
This is the leading cause of suicide.
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>>138794919
Is there any non-meme answer to my problem?
I have seen absolutely no resources that specifically talk about the concept of names and how to identify them.
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>>138795566
There's some kind of deck in Anki but it has like 10k cards. You also learn common places names like Beijing and stuff. Other than that, I don't really know. It can be pretty arbitrary.
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>>138795566
have you read much? they will provide the name readings. there is no reason to learn them separately.
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>>138795566
What's the problem, exactly? I've never heard of anyone having a hard time with names.
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Can someone help me understand the grammar here?

>にこにこにい! あなたのハートににこにこにい! 笑顔届ける矢沢にこにこ! ニコにいって覚えてラブにこ!
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>>138795786
What don't you understand?
Also, is there a Love Live! game or something?
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>>138795739
>>138795679
>>138795663
I was just a bit confused about how names are not an actual topic anywhere.
Since names obviously use kanji, I thought they might get confused with actual words and deserve special attention to not let that happen.
If it naturally comes from reading like you guys claim then I should be fine, right?
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>>138795786
It means pure love

>>138795887
It's pretty obvious when something is a name in a sentence
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>>138794206
I learned to write in English mainly by shitposting on 4chan, yeah. I was pretty good at reading by the time I started, though.
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>>138795887
>I should be fine, right?
Yes. The first time a character is introduced the reading for their name is always given (often it's given again the first time it's mentioned each chapter/volume). Names are rarely words, but if one is you will have already been told it's a name, so it won't be confusing.
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>>138795887
Well, it's usually easy enough to discern that a word is a name from context, and you do absorb patterns on how different kanji are most likely to be read in names.
But what everyone is saying is that you don't really need to worry about that since everything tells you the readings when introducing the character names anyway.
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>>138795566
just learn the kanji as normal. you'll get used to seeing common names. some names have uncommon pronunciations and it's normal to not know them, but name pronunciations are usually specified by name-bearer or author or what have you. like that scene in GITS when aramaki first meets skullface and misreads his name, remember that? so you're gucci my man.
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>>138790984
>First misconception that prevents people from seeing it is that some think you can read japanese just by knowing the meaning of each kanji.
>than just learning thousands of kanji by themselves
Only RTK that teaches kanji without on-yomi and vocabs.
Other kanji books teaches the kanji, the on, the kun, the radical, and some other things the specific book decided to include.
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>>138796726
Some also specifically teaches vocab with it like the basic kanji book and KD.
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>>138796923
That's basically what I said. Other kanji books teaches vocabs next to the kanji drawing itself. By the time one finished 2000+ kanji, they'd have seen more than 6,000 words at least once.
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>>138796726
>Other kanji books teaches the kanji, the on, the kun, the radical, and some other things the specific book decided to include.
I just added vocab to your list, that's all.
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>>138797038
>I just added vocab to your list, that's all.
I already said
>Only RTK that teaches kanji without on-yomi and vocabs.
before the second sentence that you quoted. Did you missed it? Well thanks anyway, I know you mean well.
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what are the best apps for android? i take really long subway trips to work every morning and would like to do something useful in them.
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>>138797118
I don't think the two sentences were connected but whatever, let's not argue about something as trivial as that. Anyway we both agree that 'learning kanji' the individual way isn't necessarily just RTK, which something most people here don't seem to take into account here when arguing against it.
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>>138797165
Ankidroid is the only one you need.
And any web browser to read LNs when you're done with reps.
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吾々ワ日本酒ンデス
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To anybody that regularly buys ebooks. I have some questions.

A couple days ago two kind anon told me about calibre's dedrm plugin method. I've since get several free ebooks from Amazon but when I tried to strip the drm with dedrm plugin, it didn't work. I've read dedrm's plugin faq and tried some troubleshooting steps there but still failed.

So I have 2 question now. Where do you guys buy your ebook other than Amazon?
Rakuten? Ebookjapan? Bookwalkers? Some other place perhaps?

What is your experience with them? Which place other than Amazon that you found to be easy to strip the DRM, and what software do I need for it?

I usually buy my manga in the local book store but I've been wanting to just buy ebooks for a long time now. I figured if I can pay 400-500 yen why should I pay 3-4 times that amount if I can get the e-book.

pps: Has anybody ever experienced failing to strip drm with calibre's dedrm with Amazon ebooks? Is it because I've so far only ever tried the free ebooks instead of the paid one? Tried like 13 of them tho.
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>>138797192
I've always wondered why RTK is so famous on DJT. Unless the person in question wants to be able to write, it's not even objectively the best to begin with. While RTK's learning order is excellent, a lot of kanji books out there (esp. the one marketed to foreigners) implement their own order as well that is maybe just a level or two below RTK's order in learning efficiency. The tradeoff being all other kanji books teaches vocabs and other kanji-related things alongside the kanji itself.

I'm not a fan of RTK1 and Heisig's own made-up "primitives".
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>>138797331
I've done amazon ebooks with calibre before and it worked fine. I don't know how to troubleshoot your problems though.

Rakuten is easy to rip from. They give you adobe drm files and you use calibre again to rip them.

There are rippers for ebookjapan and bookwalker but they've become difficult to obtain recently. But, if you promise not to post it anywhere publicly I can send you the ebj one. Email [email protected]
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>>138797611
>I've always wondered why RTK is so famous on DJT
Well it's one of the most popular method overall I think, even though there are best alternatives I think. Also, the optimized core, which is very important to the /djt/ mindset, originally came from the koohii forums. I wouldn't be surprised if people from koohii migrated to /djt/ or still lurks both places.
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>遺
>遣
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>>138797611
RTK was the most popular kanji book from before DJT existed. DJT also used to love kanjidamage but then the guy went through that intro correcting everything (some of which are legitimate and a lot of which are nitpicking) and apparently that makes the rest of it unusable.
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>japs read top to bottom
>yet vertical shmups move bottom to top as that's clearly more natural


justify yourselves
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>>138798829
The things that move on the screen in vertical shmups move from top to bottom. You clearly didn't think this through.
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can someone tell me which one is english? i really appreciate it
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>>138798829
in shmups, you are at the bottom. enemies and bullets and all that move downward, toward you.
similarly, you can think of reading top to bottom as pulling the reading down and inward toward yourself, who like the player character in a shmup is at "the bottom of the page'
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>>138799004
英語。The last one in the second image.
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>>138799004
Google.
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>>138799004
英語
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Losing motivation a little, but surely tomorrow will be better after some reading.
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>>138798091

W H Y
H
Y
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>>138799004
brick your router dork

>>138799080
しない
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>>138789579
>月
>part of the body
Holy shit, and there are people who actually defend this garbage?
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>>138799204
haha yea dude crazy
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>>138799080
Isn't that pretty good though?
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>>138799204
Used as a radical, it's often found in terms related to organs or body parts.
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>>138799326
Took too long to finish, though.
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>>138799348
no its garbage how dare you use reasoning
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>>138798877
This, I always found pattern where shit comes at you from below the hardest to dodge.
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>>138788450
Has anyone here done a jap course before?
My parents keep telling me that I should try it alongside my econ degree, but I've heard it's nightmarishly slow compared to self study.
Any horror stories? I've heard things like spending three months on kana alone
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Anyone here practices kanji writing?
I like writing my kanjis but regular pen doesn't feel right at all, I've seen about fudepen but I'm also interesed in shodo, anyone have experience using fudepen? is it good for kanji practice? Are shodo brushes convenient at all for practice?
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>>138799688
Why not doing both a course and self study along to complement everything?
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>>138799885
You don't need to go full hipster to write japanese
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If you don't immediately know a card, how long do you give yourself to try to think of the answer before you decide to flip it?
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>>138799042
>>138799044
Why would you pass up such a wonderful opportunity?
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>>138800089
I tab out for 10 minutes, come back, remember it and answer hard.
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Hey guys, ff you're looking for some quick, easy, compelling stuff to read in Japanese in your browser, Pixiv has a large number of fan-written short stories available. Good if you want something that doesn't take forever to read, something you can read comfortably in your browser with Rikai, etc.

A few recommended authors (courtesy of /u/):
http://pixiv.net/novel/member.php?id=1840749
http://pixiv.net/novel/member.php?id=12032466
http://pixiv.net/novel/member.php?id=567091
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>>138800089
Generally 10-20 seconds. Sometimes longer if I feel like I am really close to remembering it.
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>>138799929
Just do self study. All that will happen when you take a Japanese course is you'll be pissed at all the annoying retards you have to communicate with and pissed at the stupidly slow pace the course is proceeding at, it's a waste of money. If you're "not motivated enough" to go at twice the pace of a Japanese course with self study you'll never learn Japanese anyway so don't bother.
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>>138800433
>(courtesy of /u/)
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I'll never learn Japanese
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>>138800433
Are they lewd?
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>>138800717
Not with that attitude, you won't. Instead of moping here, go study more.
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>>138797860
I just got back. Thanks for replying anon.

I just need to get an ebook source from somewhere, and 1 source is enough if it works. You mentioned Rakuten is easy to strip the drm from so I'll just try that out. In addition to paying 3+ time more, it's not that nice having to wait 1 or so month just for the bookstore to import the manga I want to read.

I'm going to skip on the EBJ one for now because I won't need them if I can get it from Rakuten succesfully.

About Rakuten, 3 small questions if you don't mind... On top of JP address, does Rakuten requires JP cellphone number as well (like text message confirmation before signing up)?

Do I strip the rakuten ebook with that same plugin, Calibre's deDRM?

Lastly, I take it a foreign Credit Card works just fine?

Thanks a lot in advance anon, and I hope you see this reply.
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おはようおにいちゃん

おふろはいっていいよ
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>>138802543
先に入れ
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>>138802543

Thanks sister of younger age!
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>>138801997
It asks for a phone number but doesn't seem to use it for anything. Foreign cards work fine. The only thing worth noting is that after you buy the book you have to go to kobobooks.com and login with your rakuten ID, and then open the file they give you in Adobe's ebook reader to actually download it. Then you can use the Calibre deDRM on it.
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>>138794547
>kana only
Step it up.
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I'm the guy who came in here a while ago. I was using shitty Rosetta Stone and thank goodness you guys called me the fuck out on it. Took about a month but I've finally got both Hiragana and Katakana committed to memory. Bros I'm stressing out now though, I'm completely overwhelmed with all the new stuff to learn. What should I do? What was the next step you took at this point?
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>>138802745
Oh, and if it's manga or something and you prefer to have the images themselves over having them packaged into an epub file, you can use calibre to convert it into a zip. Then inside the zip there'll be a folder with all of the pages in order at their full resolution.
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>>138802784
漢字の場合はちょっと違うかな
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>>138802543
Today I actually had my first shower of the year
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>>138802543
You can write phrases in hiragana with no kanji?
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>>138802799
>Took about a month but I've finally got both Hiragana and Katakana committed to memory.
出来ない
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>>138802799

The next step is WaniKani, a transcendental Japanese learning app that has a proven record of taking a beginner to fluency in as little as 2 years. It has a no nonsense system that no other thing could compete with. I used to only know Hirigana and Katagana but after using WaniKani, I found myself with 600 Kanjis in as little as 9 months.
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>>138802894
>no nonsense system
I love this expression now.
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>>138802883

Only if you're a small person.
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>>138802889
I don't understand, is that a bad thing?
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>>138803105
You're a terrible troll.
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>変える
>換える
>替える
>代える
>帰る
>返る
>孵る
>蛙

How can this word even be understood in speech?
I can't learn Japanese.
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>>138803105
Well let's do some calculation, shall we. I'll be kind and round off the number of kana at 100. It'll take you twenty months to get through Core 2k if you go at this speed. Not bad, right?
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>>138803193

Such a rush for comprehending compelling erotic games.
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>>138802894
Is this serious or is that some kind of meme software? So you went straight from kana to kanji? The thing I'm struggling with is the order to do things in. I don't know if I should start working on vocab or learning grammar or memorizing kanji.
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>>138803242

After kana, you should probably do grammar/vocab now.
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>>138803242
>I don't know if I should start working on vocab or learning grammar or memorizing kanji.
For what purpose? Go straight into reading. That's the general opinion around here.
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>>138803176
かえろ
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>>138803193
>>138803169
You misunderstand. I committed the symbols to memory. I have no vocab right now. I can recognize the symbols but don't know what I'm reading.
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>>138803242
He's fucking with you. It's a current super epic le funny meme on DJT to jokingly shill a bad service to gullible new learners and in turn reduce the quality of the community.
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>>138803176
>ほら!少しかえるが鳴った!
>小鳥はやっと卵からかえた。
>授業はおわりだ。かえろうか?
In context homonyms are rarely all that confusing.
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>>138803311

Those who can't lurk here long enough(5 minutes) to easily see that WK shilling is a joke, can't learn Japnese.
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>>138803242
WaniKani is a meme.
Learn grammar if you haven't already (through Tae Kim or other) and learn kanji by learning words/vocab through reading(important) and/or anki(not as important)
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>>138803371
>through reading(important) and/or anki(not as important)
Yeah more like, reading and importing the words in anki.
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機械工学者になるように勉強している
人文科学はダメだから

君、何を勉強しているのか?
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>>138800828
Some are.
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You're a 大人(big person), /a/.
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>>138803533
>大人しく
Fucking nips.
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>>138803521
なんとヤリマン
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>>138803477
数学だ。でも大学院は物理学に行こうと思うけどさ。
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>tfw having learned Mahjong gives you an advantage at least with numbers in Jappongonese
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>>138803477
俺はニートだよ。

来年は何かを勉強する! 多分…
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>>138803533
あなたに

Is this how you say for you?
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>>138803638
There you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRylVSfxyw
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>>138803533
Am I an おおおとこ too?

>>138803638
お前はだ。
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>>138803617
>来年は何かを勉強する! 多分…
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>>138803715
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>>138803477
物理学の大学院生です。
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>>138803751
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>>138803702
What the fuck?
How does the grammar work here?
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>>138803617
>多分
頑張って...
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>>138803751
リア充消え失せろ
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>>138803787
化学>物理学
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>>138803477
専攻って金融やから金融の関係事勉強するよ
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>>138803477
今はないけど未来に宇宙物理学を勉強したい
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>>138803837
He's fucking with you.
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>>138803751
We're on /a/ and a lot of people are learning to read pornographic powerpoints and other weeb media, what do you think? I'd say a lot of the frequent posters are NEETs though, yeah.
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>>138803956
But it says it like that in the dub too.
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>>138803477
情報工学
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>>138803702
That's a が, not a は.
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>>138803837
In the Japanese dub it's translated to お前がだ
I suck at Japanese so I got no idea how that works but whatever.
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>>138804016
Even with が, isn't it saying "you are" instead of "4u"?
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>>138803292
The basic reason why people are laughing at you is that taking a long time on the kana is suggestive of a hopelessly flawed mindset. When something is "important" like the kana is, it doesn't mean you should study it super hard and slowly and methodically so you never get it wrong when it shows up on a flashcard. If something is "important," it means that it's something that you will be seeing a lot and that you can only gain any useful competency at by seeing it in an organic context like reading real (beginner-level) Japanese content. Taking a long time to meticulously study the entirety of the more boring and organized aspects of the language is sort of a crutch since it's something you can visualize in numbers and feel like you've completed a set percentage of the language.
>I learned the readings of 20 different kanji. That means that now I know 1% of the language and that tomorrow I'll know 2%.
This makes you feel "safe" about your progress in the language, but it is only delaying the actual way that you learn the language: enjoying comprehensible content. It's not really effective to practice the language by studying the individual aspects of the language really hard and hoping that once you're "done" they'll magically become a comprehensible whole. As scary as it seems, language learning feels more like a skill that you build rather than a quantifiable set of data. You should aim to go through the memorization and purposeful study part of the beginner as fast as possible and get to actually engaging with the language.
That's not to say that you should never purposefully study, but it's only a means to an end. The way you should measure your progress by is by what you're reading and how enjoyable the experience is.
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>>138803751
As a former NEET I would guess that it's a combination of actual NEETs, former NEETs and NEET people who wish they had the luxury of being a NEET for a while.

So the amount that you hear about it on 4chan might not be completely accurate, but I don't think it's a meme at all.

But then again I don't really check outside my comfort zones on the internet. I hope it hasn't reached meme status on other sites.
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>>138804074

Stephan pls go
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>>138804016
Japanese subs say otherwise.
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>>138803751
Not the majority, but learning Nipponese is an inevitable byproduct of being NEET. Especially with amphetamines.
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>>138804074
長すぎ
読まなかった
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>>138804092

>government wants to make everyone wageslaves
>normalize a life of not working and being worthless

は?
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what the hell does 本気出す mean
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>>138804224
I wrote it on my phone you bitch it's not long.
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>>138804287
I'll start going out --- Tomorrow.
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>>138804092
>all posters claiming to be NEETs are paid government shills

>technically I am being payed by the government
>I'm spending a lot of my time on a Japanese style message board talking about Japanese cartoons and Japanese games and the Japanese language
>I've been a shill for Japan without even realizing it

I think you happened upon some kind of real "less than one percent chance" conspiracy by the Japanese government to hire foreign NEET shills without THEM even realizing it.
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>>138803751
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTCP9HZVX7s
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>>138804287
>>138804344
to get serious
>I'll get serious starting tomorrow
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Is 20 cards per day for the DOJG deck a good pace? I've been doing that for ten days and it seems okay but I fear that might be a bit fast. For those doing the deck, how many cards are you doing per day?
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Can someone think of a good mnemonic to tell 洗濯する and 掃除する apart? I have the worst time seeing 洗濯する and thinking it means 掃除する。
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>>138803751
I'm a NEET Hikikomori and I will probably killmyself sooner or later, sometimes I think people on /a are actually normalfags, but I don't know I speak for myself.
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>>138804570
Two water radicals, there's no need for water when sweeping.
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>>138804570
>洗濯する
the JEW goes to SHILL on 4 CHINS. he SENds TAxes to U.

>掃除する
SOUrry JIm, no discounts on your WANI KANI subscription.
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>>138804482
>You WALK You LOSE
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やったぞ

これ出来る
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holy shit
meanings of kanji is one thing but remembering how to say them is destroying me

is there any way more efficient than grinding anki to get the pronunciations down?
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ハロ エブリワン
マイ ネム イズ ”チンポ タツゾ-”
ユア チンポ イズ ゲンキ DESUカ?
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>>138804821
Learning radicals?

>>138804844
>エブリワン
>エブリニャンじゃない
出て行け
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>>138804570
learn the meaning of 洗 and 掃
洗う = wash
掃く = sweep
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>>138804888
not even. im legit just starting. still on numbers

its like my brain processes everything then just says fuck it when it comes to how to say it

i cant remember for shit
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>>138804844
ハイ!ヰ アー ゲイ!
ワナ サック マイ ピピ?
マイ チンポ わ ナエイム わ アクル・クロッス3デス!
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>>138804844
ワット ザ ファック ディド ユー ジャスト セー アバウト ミー ユー リトル ビッチ?
アイル ハブ ユー ノウ ザット アイ グラジュレーテド トップ オブ マイ クラス イン ザ イングリシュ ラングアジ クラス アンド アイ ハブ オバー スリーハンヅラド コンファームド ボカビュレーリーズ。
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>>138805004
Usually it helps to do it in different ways.
Like read their pronunciations backwards, or look away from the card for a bit, say the pronunciation and then try to recall a mental picture of it.
Things like that.
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>>138804624
Think of all the anime girls you'll be missing out on anon. And when 2d becomes real due to technological advancements. I've been a NEET for about 5 years now though, I think it's time I start doing something about it, at least from a social aspect, cus this shit is unhealthy anxiety/depression-wise having pretty much no interaction with other people in real life.
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>>138805004
That's actually pretty normal for the numbers, you're better off learning them outside of Anki honestly.
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Hey guys im looking to get into the Kanji market. My jp knowledge is decent, I have maybe 1200 kanji under my belt all fully grown. As you know, the Japanese natives have the biggest hold in the kanji market because its easy to learn a kanji as long as you know all the other kanji. I was wondering how i could compete with the low prices the natives offer.

I thought of a few strategies for the kanji market. If you don't know kanji is sold based on how easy it is to recognized. Fully matured kanjis which you recognize easily sell for the most, and almost never recognized kanji sell for the least. Prices also are based off of how common the kanji is and how easy it is to learn.

1) Farm basic kits. Continue to create the basic sets of the 50 most common kanji fully matured/ Disadvantages include losing a big portion of japanese you can understand.

2) sell my 10% of my kanji and while i continue to re-learn them. I'm not sure if this is profittable, but i don't lose much by taking this option

3) Cash out on everything i know and start from scratch. Japanese has been kind of boring recently. Maybe by starting from scratch i can rekindle that burst of excitement i had when i learnt my first kanji.

4) Kanji investment. Buy kanji popular by an author and wait in the long term for that author to become more popular, and sell it for a profit.

Please let me know your strategies for the kanji market. I hear if you know what you're doing it can be quite profitable
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>>138805413
Post more
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>>138805413
Kanji market crash when?
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>>138805413
your post is to long (and gay!) to be funny
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>>138805413

I'd give you some advice but my domain is day-trading Hiragana and Katakana.

It's not very profitable but I get by with high volume.
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>>138804074
Wait how long does it normally take to commit the kana to memory? A month is too long?

So you're saying it should all be together, rather than learned in a step by step way. So should I learn some grammar and start reading, while translating the words as I go? Is that what you're suggesting?
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>>138803193
What is core 2K? And how long does it usually take an average person?
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>>138805655
>Wait how long does it normally take to commit the kana to memory? A month is too long?

It's slow by DJT standards, but not "too long". Took me a month to learn kana but 2 months to do Core2K so it doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be a freakishly slow learner.
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>>138802745
>>138802861
Thank you very much for the detailed answer. I'm going to try it out when the nexxt edition of manga I'm following comes out.
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>>138803282
If you go straight into reading how do you translate the words?

>>138803278
>>138803371
Okay so the general view most people have around here is go right into reading once you learn grammar. You guys don't study kanji alone? Also same question as above, how do I translate the words as I go?
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>>138805881
>You guys don't study kanji alone?
No, that's pointless. You'll learn the readings as you go.
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>>138805736
Read the OP
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>>138805881
>You guys don't study kanji alone?
Read https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sO88keA0kMfRFInAzx-ZvFkoDzwtFEo8c_I4MFLQDgg/pub

You can study kanji in isolation, but it's not for everyone, and you need to be aware of what goals you should have (hint: reading, not knowing kanji)
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>>138805206
Talking in message board to other anon is interaction too.
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>円
circle

>円
yen, japan's currency

WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE
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>>138805784
Whoa seriously? What is the expectation by DJT standards? Do you guys have crazy mnemonics you use or something? I don't know what core2K is but I'll read the OP.
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>>138805881
>You guys don't study kanji alone?
Not really. Learning kanji through vocabulary works well enough.

>How do I translate the words as I go?
Ideally when you start out you should go for a manga or something with furigana (kana reading next to or above kanji) to help you with being able to read and type that into jisho.com
If you're reading something in your browser you can use rikaisama/rikaichan to quickly get the reading and definition of words you come across.
If you're reading visual novels you can do some things that link the text up to a browser page to use rikaisama/rikaichan. (I don't remember the exact method)
Worst comes to worst, if you come across a new kanji in a manga with no furigana and no way to copy paste it you can use jisho's radical search feature or try drawing it.
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>>138806055
銭はどう
100分の1円だよ
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>>138806161
>jisho.com
I meant jisho.org
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>>138806094
>kana
>crazy mnemonics
で•き•ない
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>>138806166
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>>138806094
The expectation is around 1 day to 7 days.
Took me 2 days.
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>>138805881
>>138806094
Are you genuinely just start Japanese yesterday or are you just having fun trolling because it's Friday?
At least have the decency to read the OP mate. We'll answer most things beginners asked but you sound like a lazy person that don't even bother reading the OP, or you're actually trolling. I'm not sure.
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>>138806094
The usual advice is to only spend a couple days learning kana. It'll take longer to commit it to memory, but who said you have to commit something to memory before moving on?

Only moving on after you're sure you've fully memorized something accomplishes 2 things. 1) It drastically reduces frustration. 2) It drastically increases the amount of time it will take for you to improve.

So which is more important to you? Not feeling overwhelmed/frustrated, or not taking a lifetime to learn this language?
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>>138806261
Imouto is helpful. Fuck you. You don't hold a candle to imouto.
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>>138806269
How? How is this possible? What do you do to commit that many new concepts and symbols to memory? How can you focus like that and not have your brain completely fried at the end of the day with all of he information just a disgusting mess in your mind?

And do you have anything else in your life that you need to do?
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>>138806339
Ah there it is. The reason everyone hates attention whores.

If people like you didn't exist then we wouldn't have a problem with people like this imouto poster.
Why don't you fondle his balls too while you're at it?
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>>138806226
>Not using crazy mnemonics for everything in life.

S is for snake and it looks like a snake.
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>>138806363
Dude that's not incredibly hard if you actually study. I'm doing an undergrad in maths and I still do my 50 new cards a day plus 20 cards from the dojg.
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>>138806380
Imouto answers difficult questions, he's helpful.
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>>138806301
Holy shit okay I didn't realize this. I wandered into the Tae Kim book and just followed what he said. I assumed it was absolutely essential to have the kana 100% committed to memory before moving on. Most of my time was spent reviewing for memory, if I sped through it real quick I could have had it done so much faster.

I think I'm starting to see the preferred method around here. So you guys prefer doing the total immersion thing.
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>>138806363
I just wrote each of them 20 times on my notebook.
>new concepts and symbols
It's a fucking syllabary.
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>>138806446
Right, but what are you actually doing? Like what is your study method to commit this information to memory? That speed is mind boggling to me. How much time do you spend per day?
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>>138806363
>new concepts and symbols
maybe if you're new to Japanese media
but at least you often see あいうえおの in anime right?

also like the other anon said learn to write them, with the correct strokes
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>>138806363
Not him but realkana.com is how I learned all the kana.
You don't really have to think about it you just do it until you know them.
I "learned" them all in one day though they didn't stick much so I did them again the next day and after a few days I would only make occasional mistakes on ン/ソ, シ/ツ
And this didn't take a lot of time each day. Like around an hour each day or maybe less.(First day was a bit more I guess)

After that you start actually committing them to memory by reading stuff.
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>>138806449
What's your point?
You know he probably loves seeing shit like this >>138806261 right? So it's not like you're helping anyone.
and being helpful doesn't give someone special privileges on 4chan. If I'd tell a useless sack of shit to fuck off for being an attention whore then I'll tell the kindest most helpful person to fuck off too for being an attention whore.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_global_surveillance_disclosures#Japan
>Yoshihide Suga just said, "A problem in USA, so it's to be dealt with in USA." "In diplomacy between the Japan and U.S., since, the secret should be kept tightly." was stated. But they assumed that a whistle-blowing site Wikileaks was trying the tapping by which NSA is a cadre of Japanese ministry,[112] Bank of Japan and Department of the Treasury from around at least 2006 on July 31, 2015, and the Chief Cabinet Secretary and the Shinzo Abe[113] Prime Minister exhibited related document of the U.S. government Yoshihide Suga,[114] and stated "when it was fact, very regrettably" at last.
I cannot understand this at all.
I wonder how many times, when reading Japanese, the text is actually written by a foreigner with a poor understanding of fundamental grammar, or something.
Makes me paranoid.
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>>138806449
>Imouto answers your difficult question in Japanese
>You don't understand Imouto's answer because you suck at Japanese

This isn't much of a problem anymore, but it really sucked when I was just starting out.
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>>138806600
>>138806616
Okay so I understand what you're getting at now. You just pounded them out real quick then improved retention through reading. That's why it took me so long. I was hellbent on absolutely having every single character and the combinations committed to memory along with their stroke orders so I could just pull them out of my memory when needed. Like if I was going to write a letter or something.
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>>138799204
Will not defend that,because it's garbage indeed, but you are wrong. It's called にくづき, and it's referring to 肉, and that's why it's in a lot of body parts. It's just look like 月 in modern typface/writing. Next time, look up your shit bro. Picture related.
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>>138806531
Anki. Of course, I didn't't start out at 50+20. When I started out Core I was at 20 cards per day. This is pretty normal for most people. By using a SRS, you can achieve daunting tasks like learning 2k words in two months relatively easily. What matters is finding the right speed for you. As for the time I spend, usually 1h to 2h, especially since I read the grammar points thoroughly and try to understand the differences between close expressions.
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>>138806798
>By using a SRS, you can achieve daunting tasks like learning 2k words in two months relatively easily
Correction: With SRS, you can INTRODUCE 2k words easily. You don't know them until they're mature.
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>>138806728
Yeah.
As some Anon said a while ago (or maybe it was just earlier in this thread. I don't remember)
Kana is probably the most important thing to learn in Japanese, but that doesn't mean you should spend a lot of time on it. Since it's so fundamental, you're going to see it everywhere and you'll naturally be learning it by reading anything so you shouldn't stress over it for too long.
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>>138806363
Dude, calm down. They're just characters with meaning, if you can learn a foreign language you can learn japanese.
That is, if you have the 刺激 to do it.
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>>138806851
At 50 cards a day, almost all your cards will be mature at 2 months.
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>>138806890
>Kana is probably the most important thing to learn in Japanese
I think kanji/kana are of equal importance, really. Can't read anything without kanji, can't read anything without kana.
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>崇君は漫画ばっかり読んでてさ。かっこ悪い。
Tae Kim sure knows how the world words.
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>>138806641
You claimed you hate attention whores but do you realize that by calling out another person an attention whore, it makes you yourself an attention whore.

You are trying to control other people's actions through insults just because their actions doesn't align with your own personal world view or what you think is correct.

>You know he probably loves seeing shit like this >>138806261 right?
You have posted "fuck imouto" and "death to imouto" a couple times recently, and I remember imouto qouted you once and replied "fuck off" to you.

Regardless of whether imouto actually loves it or not and whether you remember that he called you out once or not, he replied to you seemingly expressing disagreement.

Have fun and good luck with your crusade against imouto and every other attention whores in djt.

I will make a mental note to myself not to engage with you anymore in the future during my stay on djt.

Have a nice day.
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>>138806710
On Wikipedia, with east asian modern things being miswritten, it's usually a japanese or korean person translating to english. You can reconstruct the intended grammar with that knowledge and edit it into shape.

>>138806773
What's the bottom one?
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>>138807018
>2002: the rise of anime
>2006: the rise of 4chan
>2009: broken dreams
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>>138806166
元気?
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Anyone here grew out of Anki? I've read for about 9 months after stopping doing reps and don't feel crippled by it at all. I matured the Core10k before dropping it though.
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>>138806339
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>>138807305
You can grow out of anki but your reps fall so hard that I don't think it's worth it. I still do my radicals deck at least once a week.
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>>138807317
That's pretty nifty. How come you spent 30 minutes making it instead of studying, though?
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>>138807202
2009 is the year KyoAni invented moeshit with K-On and killed all the manly anime.
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>>138807043
The bottom one is referring to 舟 (funa-boat).
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>>138807368

I'm doing Anki at the same time.

Also to clear something up, I like imouto, but with all characters I like, I enjoy imagining them being killed.
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>>138807432
Thanks.
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>>138807472
That's pretty edgy if you ask me.
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>>138807041
I'm not the one who posted the gif. Or anything else relating to the imouto poster in the past either
>You are trying to control other people's actions through insults
Did I insult someone?

I know someone posted a mean gif of your boyfriend, but you don't have to be so defensive about it.
Does it really surprise you that people don't like attention whores? How new are you?
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>>138807561

d-don't mess with me
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I started reading yotsuba, and I understand it, but for some reason my mind puts the sentence into English.

I don't know how to explain it very well, but it's really frustrating. If anyone understands what I mean, is this common starting out?
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>>138807768
Honestly, that's pretty damn cool.
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>>138807844
Yes. But try to stop doing it.
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>>138807844
It'll go away as you get good.
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>>138807968
>>138807990

Thank you, that makes me feel better about it.

Any advice to try to stop doing it, or does it just take some time?
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テイ

I can't get my english-japanese convert thing to do the small イ for 'ti."

Steveposting is suffering because of this.
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>>138808178
thi
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>>138807497
No problem bro. Actually there are some fonts, where you can see that that's actually 舟、and not 月. But you don't fine a font, where 肉 doesn't look like 月 as にくづき, but it's quite sure, that it's referring to meat.
The character of the pussy is a fun example.
Already in the 篇海 Chinese character dictionary, the explanation of 膣(vagina), is the following:
音窒。肉生也。It means that you have to pronounce it as 窒, and if we translate the Chinese to classical Japanese, it's somewhat like 肉より生ずるなり。
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>>138808130
It's like switching from grammar books to reading in the first place. You have to try it so that you know when it's time. It doesn't always stop automatically, that's why the other anon said "try to stop doing it". It's not like you should be actively trying to not think in english when you still need to do so, but rather you need to keep trying not to once in a while so you really know when you're ready to stop thinking in english.
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>>138808276

ありがとう。

こにちは、みなさん。私です、スティーブさん!
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>>138808281
I've got the background, just didn't learn the bottom etymology yet. Thanks for the background stuff anyways though.
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>>138808130
It's kinda hard to explain

Like you don't try to translate いただきます to rub a dub dub thanks for the grub everytime you read it right? You just unconciously understand the meaning of the word itself

It gets better the more you read
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>>138808300
Thank you anon. That was probably the most helpful way to word it.
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>>138808178
Protip: l+whatever makes the character little.
eg.
ltsu っ
la ぁ
li ぃ
lu ぅ
le ぇ
lo ぉ
lya ゃ
lyu ゅ
lyo ょ
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>>138808520
actually i translate it to rub a dub dub thanks for the dick
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>>138808611
thi is shorter than teli though.
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>>138808664
Yeah, but it's still useful to know if you need those little characters by themselves for whatever reason.
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>>138808611
ありがとう!
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Non Japanese learner here. I got a question for you /djt/
Who is goi and why are the Japanese so interested in suing them?
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>>138809068

the ごいじん must pay
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>>138809068
語彙の勉強は大事ですよね…
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I don't want to do my reps today.
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>>138809301
too fucking bad
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>>138809301
Why would you? You deserve a day off.
One day won't hurt.
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>>138809301
できん
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>>138809301
Then don't. Surely after slacking today you'll feel so refreshed you will be totally fine with doing double reps tomorrow.
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>>138809301
You‘ll make up for it tomorrow。
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>>138807844
>for some reason my mind puts the sentence into English
Because your mind wants to actually comprehend as precisely as possible. It's fine.

Just keep reading and comprehending Japanese. It will stop on its own. You don't need to "try" to stop it. In fact, if you're studying really often, you'll start going in the opposite direction, thinking in Japanese when you least expect it.
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>halfway through Tae Kim's grammar guide and there's already a billion things to keep track of
出来ない
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>>138810063
Think of it as exposure / getting those things in your head. As long as you understand the example sentences, keep going. You solidify the stuff you learn from Tae Kim by reading compelling content. Just about everything Tae Kim is something you'll see in pretty much everything you read.
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>>138810063
You don't have to completely understand everything when you first go through it.
As long as you get the general gist of it you should do fine when you start reading.
You'll really start to understand/learn once you start reading.
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I have a stupid-ass question I don't understand.

お茶淹れて、マリス。 しばらく飲めそうもないし。 それくらいの時間は、親衛隊も保つでしょ

I don't get the last sentence in this - I'm reading the first two as something like: "Maris, brew some tea. I doubt we'll be able to have some for quite some time."

But I don't understand the last sentence, it's something about bodyguards enduring but I can't quite get it. For reference, this is from Rance 03, and Leazas Castle is under attack.
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>>138810246
>>138810063
Yeah, I'm understanding all the example sentences and so on. I just feel that I need to pick up the pace and get to reading some raw material ASAP before I start forgetting. I should've used the TK Anki deck from the start, but it's kind of too late now seeing as I'm a few lessons into special expressions and to catch up at 40 new cards a day, it'd still take 2 weeks. In any case, I've kept notes on everything, so a quick search should help if I forget something.

I'll just go through DOJG and use the deck for those from the start at some point after TK/some compelling content.
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>>138810575
You can try Yotsuba with the reading pack (check the old resources pastebin in the OP for a link) after you finish the special expressions section of Tae Kim, but you should still do the rest while reading, because the "advanced topics" stuff is still very common.

Also don't expect reading to be even remotely easy when you start. It's pretty different from the example sentences and will take some getting used to, especially if you haven't watched a lot of anime / Japanese content beforehand. The reading pack should at least help handhold you through the first couple volumes and act as training wheels, though.
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>>138810555
"Even the guards can handle that long (the attack)."

Maybe
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>>138810555
My guess is similar to >>138810875, though I'd personally translate it as "The bodyguards should buy us at least that much time."
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こちらに越してきて半年ほどになりますが、最近睡眠障害に悩まされています。
夜なかなか寝付けず、寝付けたと思ったら2~3時間で目が覚めてしまったり、目が覚めた後すぐ眠れることもありますが、再びなかなか眠れなかったりします。
日本にいる時は仕事をしていてその時よりストレスもないはずで、時々ジムで運動をしたり、朝日を浴びる・カフェインは摂らず乳製品を摂る・ラベンダーの香りのする物を枕元に置く等々ネットで調べられたことはやってみてはいるのですが原因が分からず困っています。
日中色々活動したいと思っているのに頭がボーッとして活発に動けずなんだか情けなくなります。
薬やサプリは手放せなくなりそうなので、なるべくそういったものを使わず治せないかと思っております。
もし同じような経験がおありで克服された方がいらっしゃったら、アドバイス頂けると幸いです。

The way Japanese use negatives is confusing. A handful of misgivings I have, help please.


夜なかなか寝付けず、寝付けたと思ったら2~3時間で目が覚めてしまったり、目が覚めた後すぐ眠れることもありますが、再びなかなか眠れなかったりします。

He's saying sometimes he can fall asleep after waking up but repeatedly he can't?

日本にいる時は仕事をしていてその時よりストレスもないはずで

He's less stressed than when he was in Japan?


薬やサプリは手放せなくなりそうなので、なるべくそういったものを使わず治せないかと思っております。

He's saying supplements and medication dosent seem to be easily available, and that he'd like to get better by not using them?
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>>138810836
I'll check it out, thanks. I also have some very basic VNs prepared for Firefox + Rikaisama text hooking.
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>tfw have to manually sift through Windows updates to avoid getting the ones that allow it to force W10 on you
How is the compatibility situation on W10 compared to 8.1 with VNs and learning tools like texthookers? Is it still bad? I heard you can just decline the ToS when it forces the install and you can just go back to whatever OS you were previously using, but still.
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>>138810927
えっと睡眠障害です

素直に「ロプヒノールを処方されてください。」と伝えてあげて
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can anyone translate this for me?

今日こそ撃てる気がする。
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>>138810875
>>138810918
Oh, I see. So それくらい would basically be "At least that much".

くらい tends to throw me off a lot, it seems to have a ton of uses. も also felt like a weird particle to use here, and I can't quite figure it out either.

Anyways, thanks for the help!
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r8 me
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>>138810958
Applocale doesn't work on W10 so I changed my system locale to Japanese and I haven't had any problems so far.
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>>138810927
>夜なかなか寝付けず、寝付けたと思ったら2~3時間で目が覚めてしまったり

I can't sleep at night, and even when I think I've fallen asleep, I end up waking up just 2-3 hours afterwards

>目が覚めた後すぐ眠れることもありますが、再びなかなか眠れなかったりします

After waking up, there are times when I can fall right back to sleep, but there are also times when I again have difficulties falling asleep.
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>>138811067
I have a feeling that we'll be able to attack today.
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>>138811064
>>138811104
are you going to ask us every day?
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>>138810927
>日本にいる時は仕事をしていてその時よりストレスもないはずで

I'm working when I'm in Japan, so I should be less stressed out compared to that other time

>薬やサプリは手放せなくなりそうなので、なるべくそういったものを使わず治せないかと思っております

Medication and supplements can be difficult to stop using so I'm thinking it would be best to get better without using them.
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>>138811104
>r8
>>>/soc/
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>>138811064
>>138811104
If you're gonna do this shit, keep it to a monthly thing. There's no reason to post it every day.
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>>138807202
more like the rise of corea
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>あんき
>memorization
wooooooooow
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>>138811104
beginner out of beginner
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>>138811573
初心者だと?俺は書くのがかなり自然だと思うけどね
読むことも、、
可愛い女と毎日話すからー
それでも語彙が少ないねw
これから頑張りますー
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>>138811537
>理解
>(n,vs) understanding; comprehension;
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>>138811537

where did you think Anki gets its name from?
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>>138811689
>了承
>(n,vs) acknowledgement
俺は君を了承しない
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>>138811750
認めないー
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>>138811537
メタ
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>>138811671
自惚れるな初心者
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The 2nd and 3rd lines are uncertain to me. Help.

地元民です
今朝 帰宅途中にこの前を通ったら、TVカメラとおぼしき撮影しておりました
はたして最期の72hか?はたまた地元民放のカメラか?
この自販機の故障~修理云々は地元民放局でもとりあげてましてね

しかしもう半年がんばってほしかった・・・
夏にここのうどんをスタートして新潟の公楽園を目指すツーリングを企てていたのに

"Local resident here
This morning while coming back I passed by front (of this building), a TV camera was seemingly filming (the front of the bulding)
Maybe these are the last 72hrs for this building? Or possibly a local broadcast's camera?
The breakdown/repair of this vending machine was often in the local news

I was hoping the (vending machine) would be around for another half year
I was planning to start with the udon here in the summer and aim for Niigata Paradise (apparently another retro place with food vending machines)"
"
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>>138812202
:(
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>>138812230
Whats with you and udon machines
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>>138812230
>a TV camera was seemingly filming
Xと思しきY is a Y that seems to be X, so your "seemingly" is misplaced.
Filming with what seems to be a TV camera
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>>138811671
本気でそう信じますか送信者さん
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Should I keep playing the same visual novel I've been mining from, even I'm bored or should I jump to something else?
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>>138813708
COMPELLING CONTENT
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>>138813708
It should be compelling.
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>>138813708
Has to be compelling.
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>>138813708
What the dudes above me said.
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>>138813708
just give up its more fun to dream about being able to read vns in japanese than actually do it
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I do 20 new cards a day and consistently get less than 100 cards due the next day. Might go to 40 as my retention is pretty good. Maybe I've just gotten used to learning Japanese words
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>>138813708
It depends on what the VN is.
If it's Satsukoi, you should jump to something else.
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>>138814000
How long have you been doing that many new cards? It can take a month or two to level out. I'd say go for it if you think you can handle it and don't mind double the reviews, though. Currently doing 40 and it feels like a solid pace. Might bump it up to 60.
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>>138814031
Isn't Satsukoi pretty short though? It's 10 hours on EGS. Or are you just saying you've read it all the way through and it's shit.
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Finally have all of the Hiragana and the voiced versions down! Now on to the Katakana...

It never ends, does it? I mean, I've looked at the Kanji a little bit and there's like 2000 of them...
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>>138814261
デキナイ
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>>138814261
出来ない
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Does this sound rad enough?
でぃ・ジェイ・ティ はまで俺を倒れる
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>>138814337

I only got the first 10 katakana down so far man, don't gimme that.

I basically got ?Ki?I out of that.
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>>138814261
There are tens of thousands of kanji, but you'll likely only ever need a few thousand even for reading chuunishit. You'll get used to them.

The beginning sucks, but after you get used to kanji, learning a new one isn't hard and learning new vocab is so easy you'll be able to guess the pronunciation and/or meaning of most words you come across that contain kanji you're familiar with.
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I know you can't add a だ at the end of a sentence that ends in an い, but you can add a ですm right?
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>>138814378
Add ぞ or ぜ to the end to be extra cool.
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>>138814454
グレイトミーム!
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>>138814490
です in that way is a gobi and you'll sound like a girl.
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>>138814454

Wait, so Japanese people actually know (almost) all of these kanji? That's pretty crazy. Are they just taught them all in elementary school or what?
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>>138814490
Fuck me dude, i meant an い-adjective. Im so fucking hasty.
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>>138814235
>It's 10 hours on EGS.
Which is 100+ hours for your average Japanese learner. People who read Japanese for 10+ years skim eroge at lightning speed.
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>>138814514
Nah, I'm just saying that that many exist. If you mean does the average person know a few thousand kanji, then yes. They're taught most of them in school.
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>>138814511
I forgot, what does gobi mean? is it like nubi?
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>>138814490
Yes.
Also not all sentences ending with い can't have だ
Just when the sentence ends with an i-adjective or something that conjugates like an i-adjective (negative conjugation, tai-forms of verbs, etc.)
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>>138814565
語尾
You should be able to solve this
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>>138814565
Why dont yoi juat lookot up
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While I'm here asking silly questions, why do Japanese people use Hiragana, Kanji, AND Katakana all the time in all of the same works, signs, manga, etc? It's pretty annoying.
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>>138814611
WaniKani Explains This For Only 500$, I Suggest You Check It Out.
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>>138814529
I wouldn't say it's that much unless it's your first VN, and even that might be pushing it a little bit. My 2nd VN was 15 hours on EGS and I finished it in a couple weeks. Granted I had a lot of free time and not everyone goes at the same pace, but still.
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>>138814611
>why do japanese people use their writing system in their works?
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>>138814611
because that's the language.
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>>138814611
To rat out and drive away gaijins like you.
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>>138814611
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O27TgLW6pCU
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>>138814646

Well yeah, but the closest english equivalent would be if I started randomly tossing in cursive in whatever I was writing.

Sure it has the same meaning, but it would look silly.
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>>138814697
How the fuck do you expect to right inflections of words with Kanjis? And the Writing Systems (Hiraganas, Kanjis, Katanakanas) also serve as word dividers.
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>>138814697
Study the writing system a bit more before making such stupid comments.
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>>138814697
I bet stylistic furigana makes you angry too.
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>>138814763
What's the point of doing this with hiragana words? I would understand if that was written in kanji.
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>>138814235
>Or are you just saying you've read it all the way through and it's shit.
No, I like to judge VNs based solely off English summaries and sample screenshots on vndb, assume they're shit, and then go on to post about how shit they are on anonymous imageboards. Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate is also shit, follow my example and don't bother reading it.
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Is there a way to change the Anki "Show Hint" text color? It really doesn't go well with black (best) backgrounds.
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Someone help me out with my comprehension?

These two lines are killing me
その審査結果に特選2点・入選12点・特別賞3点の作品を掲載。

それを見たネットユーザーから、再び疑問の声が挙がっている。というのは、いずれの作品もオホーツクの四季を美しくあらわしているからだ。
http://rocketnews24.com/2016/03/17/725018/

・他の作品を見ると

作品が命に対する冒とくではないか、と指摘され、作者は受賞を辞退することとなった。改めてその旨を、同センターがHP上で公開し、該当作品なしとの判断を発表したのだが……。その審査結果に特選2点・入選12点・特別賞3点の作品を掲載。

それを見たネットユーザーから、再び疑問の声が挙がっている。というのは、いずれの作品もオホーツクの四季を美しくあらわしているからだ。

"After the work was pointed out to be disrepectful to life, the artist refused the prize. Again, the center's homepage stated there is s no winner but.. After our investigation there were 2 "special selections", 12 " chosens", and "3 exceptional" works shown.

Net users who saw that, again raised skeptical voices. That is to say, (they argued) about which pictures represented ohosok's beauty.
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>>138814886
This is possibly the best CG I have ever fapped to.
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>>138814886
>No, I like to judge VNs based solely off English summaries and sample screenshots on vndb, assume they're shit, and then go on to post about how shit they are on anonymous imageboards.

I do this.
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>じゃ is short for では
>じゃない is literally just ではない

This blew my fucking mind.
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>>138814886
How exactly do you pronounce 「っ!?」?
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>>138814149
I used to do 40 before anki was a chore. I lose motivation for anki really easily now so I've either done 0 or 20. But I really need to increase my vocab as its falling way behind, so that's my motivation for now. I should be able to handle it if I can force myself to do anki every day like I should
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>>138814955
What is it about those lines specifically?
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>>138815168
Just make a small 「つ」sound followed by ! and ?, it's pretty obvious.
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だ is short for です
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>>138815252
Not this shit again.
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>>138815146

>じゃ is short for では

いみ分かんない。
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でs is short for です。
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おk is short for OK
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です is short for でござる
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計画 is short for plan
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沙羅双樹 is short for sal
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>>138815168
https://a.pomf.cat/hosybs.webm
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短い is short
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>>138815532
So just any random noise that may or may not be able to be expressed by some other character?
Got it.
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>>138815564
っ by itself is basically a glottal stop, you can find some videos where people demonstrate.
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[] - Do reps.
[X] - Wallow in self pitty about how you can't learn japanese, let alone do anything.
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>>138815979
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>>138815979
[ ] - Do reps.
[ ] - Wallow in self pitty about how you can't learn japanese, let alone do anything.
[X] - Engage in compelling content
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>>138815979
This >>138816043
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>>138815979
[] - Do reps.
[X] - Get drunk and wallow in self pitty about how you can't learn japanese, let alone do anything.

I don't know why I even bother anymore.
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>>138811537
I'm liking your background color. Mind sharing your template?
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Well, I manned up and did my reps. Thanks guys.
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>>138814955
>the artist refused the prize
declined

>Again, the center's homepage stated there is s no winner but..
the homepage changed its content and announced the decision that there was no winner of the best award

>After our investigation
After the screening

>"special selections", 12 " chosens", and "3 exceptional"
excellent (award) 2 works, good (award) 12 works, special award 3 works

>about which pictures represented ohosok's beauty.
that every work represented ohosok's beauty (possibly than the work cancelled).
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>>138815195
>force myself to do anki every day like I should
Just read compelling content then.
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>>138816196
I do, but I should do anki too
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