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>finished watching Sailor Moon
>looking around for compelling content
>been watching this one let's player on niconico
>go look for some of his older videos
Guess I'll have to watch this
I even don't know why I have this.
I wonder if he made these stories intentionally terrible to make them stick out more in one's mind.
The game looks like shit and has hardly any japanese text so I'd rather just watch it be played while getting listening practice and reading practice from reading the comments flying by
Or just do a radical deck and make up your own shit as you go if your memory isn't good enough for straight up memorization. Individual kanji study seems like a waste of time if your goal isn't to learn to write by hand.
>individual kanji study seems like a waste of time unless you write by hand
Why is the DJT guide seemingly the only place online where this is said? It feels to me like everywhere else says that you fucking MUST learn kanji if you want to get anywhere (even without writing being mentioned).
Well, of course you must learn kanji to be able to read. It's just both easier and more effective to just learn them words in kanji and get the feel for their reading and meaning from there.
Are you under the impression that those who don't do individual kanji study don't learn kanji at all? What exactly do you think Core decks are? DJT values efficiency above all else, and if you can't handle jumping straight into rote Anki memorization, then that just a personal problem with mental capacity.
You mean learn to recognize specific kanji by the words they appear in (in vocab)?
Isn't it disingenuous to say that a person learns kanji through learning vocab though? I do use the core deck and I do know what certain words are that contain kanji but isn't that quite different from knowing the actual kanji itself
I'll be honest and say I'm not entirely clear on the difference between learning kanji and learning vocab. For instance, I know that 住む is "to live" or "to reside". But does that imply that the meaning of the kanji 住 is "live", "reside" etc? Or is it only "live" or "reside" when it's the full 住む?
I realise that I appear ignorant here.
First misconception that prevents people from seeing it is that some think you can read japanese just by knowing the meaning of each kanji. Which is of course completely false.
Just as with any other language you must learn the words themselves.
Of course, knowing how to pronounce everything helps a _ton_ we all know that. But if the amount of effort necessary to learn them is comparable to the effort needed to learn the words themselves then it's not efficient to learn that way.
It's efficient in other languages because there's like 40-50 characters or so, which is far smaller than the number of words in the language.
If you think there's a big difference in learning a kanji vs. learning a word then I'd like to point out that even in english you don't read words letter by letter.
If taht weer ture tehn you wuoldn't be albe to raed tihs setnecne.
You can read that because we actually don't learn words by their components.
There's also the fact that learning the kanji meaning (as a mnemonic) together with seeing it in multiple different places (different vocabulary words) provides a fairly strong context to help you remember faster than just learning thousands of kanji by themselves.
My Japanese level is sub-shit. Please help me understand what's being asked in this sentence. The person asking it uses a lot of contractions and no where in the rest of the story is a "job" or "work" mentioned.
I think there's something to be said for actually learning the kanji, particularly if you cut yourself enough slack to avoid the review death spiral.
It helps you attack vocab from two different angles, crossreferencing vocabulary words and their constituent kanji. So a new word isn't just a series of combinations of radicals, but a series of distinct kanji. And likewise, that kanji is part of those vocab words you know.
It also gives you a solid foundation of meanings and readings which helps you with rare vocab down the line. Stuff that a vocab deck would only throw at you many thousands of words down the line might be figured out by an RTK graduate.
>but isn't that quite different from knowing the actual kanji itself
How? It isn't at all. If you for some reason have trouble remembering what the kanji means or confuse 2 similar kanji you can make up a mnemonic right away while doing core, you don't need a separate deck for that at all.
I guess the person was asked to do something before he went to work, and that was incredibly a lot of amount to complete so he said "仕事だってあんだぞ(I will go work from now)"
He wanted to say "I can't to do this shit before I go to work" I guess.
It's sort of like climbing a staircase cause they all lead to the same place: up. Learning kanji individually / doing some radical study is like climbing 1 step at a time, whereas just diving into vocab / reading is like climbing 2 or 3 at a time. It's harder on you initially but arguably more efficient if you can handle it. Again, both ways lead to the same destination, it's just dividing it into more steps makes it easier on yourself.
The one pitfall of splitting it into too many steps is taking too long. Since it's already less efficient, if you move at a glacial pace you're getting into "hurting yourself" territory - doing a little prestudy is supposed to speed up the later steps. If you take too long, it will be much slower overall, even if learning vocab is easier.
>So a new word isn't just a series of combinations of radicals, but a series of distinct kanji.
Do you seriously believe people can't isolate kanji in a word without RTK? Holy shit.
Can someone explain exactly what "news for VIP" is supposed to be about?
I hear about that board sometimes and VIPPERS and I get the feeling it's supposed to be some kind of random board (but much less shitty than /b/)
You should know a bit complicated history about "VIP".
You can read why they are called as VIPPER here
This guy gets it.
It is hard to appreciate this fact until you hit the ~2000 kanji mark and start to get them mixed up. At the minimum, you should learn the meaning of the individual kanji. Then, they can serve as mnemonics to help you memorize vocab. Also, believe it or not, there are many situations where the meaning of vocab is obvious just from the kanji.
The big pitfall to avoid is learning all the kanji up front. Study kanji and vocab in parallel, using vocab to strengthen your knowledge of the kanji, and vice versa. If you like Anki, there are several kanji decks out there which you can filter by your known Core words to focus your study.
It's not so much that beginners can't tell where one ends and the next starts, they're all roughly box shaped and the same size.
It's that if you don't know anything about how radicals are typically laid out, it can feel like trying to remember a long string of strange shapes jammed together. It's not until you have a bunch of kanji under your belt do you start recognizing radicals / recurring strokes. Until then, it feels like a bunch of strangely shaped legos.
It can be particularly frustrating if you gloss over the details of a radical and get it mixed up with a similar looking one.
待つ 持つ 時間 問題
These are all examples off the top of my head of characters that beginners can easily get mixed up (I mixed up some of these myself).
Even doing a little bit of radical / kanji study helps, writing a new kanji out a couple times. It forces you to really look at them in detail, thus strengthening your memory of them, making it easier to recognize them + distinguish among similar ones.
The meaning of kanji comes from the vocab it is in. The difference is that between saying "Oh that's hold" and "oh that's the kanji from 持つ which means hold"
I am fully capable of writing 幸い and 辛い and still may mix them up when reading quickly. See that 2ch copypasta about the guy who switched their bosses kanji conversion settings
Be careful of this attitude >>138790234
>a personal problem with mental capacity.
It's about what works for you, not what works for others.
For example, consider this autistic guy who can draw cityscapes over a period of 5 days, incredibly detailed, down to the number of windows in buildings, from a 30 minute helicopter ride:
Does your mental capacity have a "problem" if you can't do that?
Focus on learning japanese, not on your ego and whether or not you can handle someone else's autistic methodology. And desu the 10k bruteforce method is only slightly less autistic than the 3k kanji-first heisig method.
Learn them together.
You're missing the fact that all of this anki grinding is just building up the scaffolding to support your reading and listening further down the road. You can spend months or years in the anki hole, and it would all be the same until the point where you open your eyes and ears to actual content.
All else being equal, a guy with RTK+core2k is better prepared for reading than a guy with just core6k.
>the situation itself on paper isnt an insane challenge in my opinion because theres materials to specifically target the test
This. It depends on what you already know though.
God I watched the first two episodes of Love Live! with a friend today because he wanted to show me how great it was but the translation was do damn awful.
今日はいい天気だね somewhat turned into 'This is the best day ever".
How is も being used here? I don't think it's simply "also", but I'm not sure. Is it being used like in for example 早くも? Like emphasis or whatever. I see similar stuff a lot and it always trips me up.
>All else being equal, a guy with RTK+core2k is better prepared for reading than a guy with just core6k.
The guy with Core6k will know something like 400 fewer kanji and 4000 more words, not to mention having seen 4000 more example sentences on those cards, so I think he's quite a bit better prepared for reading.
But 6k is waiting a bit too long to start reading.
Even in that scenario, the guy with Core 6k under his belt would be better off. Realistically, absolutely everyone who's not an idiot starts consuming raw material the moment they've got a grasp on basic grammar. During this process, acquiring vocab rapidly through Core 6k/10k would again be the most efficient.
The origin of the name of "VIP" is unknown but there are some theories such as "that's because that board is "special"" or "that's because at least the name sounds good (because the board is the bunch of shit)"
I translated with my poor English.
Does this make sense?
Yeah that makes perfect sense, thanks.
I think I also picked up from that link that threads used to get moved to the VIP board if enough people wrote "kuso" in the email field. But that doesn't happen any more, is that right?
So what sort of topics are on it now? Is it like meta discussion (discussion about the rest of 2ch)? Or is it just random stuff
Do you know our term "normalfag"? I don't know if there is a similar term in Japanese, but many consider /b/ users today to be normalfags.
Is VIP like that?
Or are they more interesting?
Sorry for all the questions, this is the last one.
I've heard normalfag defined a lot as people who seek social success. So they might not really be "normal" at all, but they are often highschoolers and come across as being edgy.
(I'm sure the definition has evolved in time)
Yeah there is a similar term in VIP. That is "IP". That is an abbreviation of "IPPAN PEOPLE (一般ピープル)".
But it is usual to use the word "リア充" instead of it with the exception of VIP I guess
They're completely made up quotes, not even mistranslations.
I think he was really just saying something a bit negative about animators today and someone made those images to make it sound much worse.
>I think he was really just saying something a bit negative about animators today
It was something along the lines of how animators today draw influence from other anime instead of personal experience
How are you supposed to learn how names are pronounced/read/produced?
Learning vocab, grammar, etc. is fairly straightforward for the most part, but there is this big conundrum with names I find no answer for.
>but cock size is something you're stuck with for life.
Is there any non-meme answer to my problem?
I have seen absolutely no resources that specifically talk about the concept of names and how to identify them.
There's some kind of deck in Anki but it has like 10k cards. You also learn common places names like Beijing and stuff. Other than that, I don't really know. It can be pretty arbitrary.
I was just a bit confused about how names are not an actual topic anywhere.
Since names obviously use kanji, I thought they might get confused with actual words and deserve special attention to not let that happen.
If it naturally comes from reading like you guys claim then I should be fine, right?
>I should be fine, right?
Yes. The first time a character is introduced the reading for their name is always given (often it's given again the first time it's mentioned each chapter/volume). Names are rarely words, but if one is you will have already been told it's a name, so it won't be confusing.
Well, it's usually easy enough to discern that a word is a name from context, and you do absorb patterns on how different kanji are most likely to be read in names.
But what everyone is saying is that you don't really need to worry about that since everything tells you the readings when introducing the character names anyway.
just learn the kanji as normal. you'll get used to seeing common names. some names have uncommon pronunciations and it's normal to not know them, but name pronunciations are usually specified by name-bearer or author or what have you. like that scene in GITS when aramaki first meets skullface and misreads his name, remember that? so you're gucci my man.
>First misconception that prevents people from seeing it is that some think you can read japanese just by knowing the meaning of each kanji.
>than just learning thousands of kanji by themselves
Only RTK that teaches kanji without on-yomi and vocabs.
Other kanji books teaches the kanji, the on, the kun, the radical, and some other things the specific book decided to include.
That's basically what I said. Other kanji books teaches vocabs next to the kanji drawing itself. By the time one finished 2000+ kanji, they'd have seen more than 6,000 words at least once.
>I just added vocab to your list, that's all.
I already said
>Only RTK that teaches kanji without on-yomi and vocabs.
before the second sentence that you quoted. Did you missed it? Well thanks anyway, I know you mean well.
I don't think the two sentences were connected but whatever, let's not argue about something as trivial as that. Anyway we both agree that 'learning kanji' the individual way isn't necessarily just RTK, which something most people here don't seem to take into account here when arguing against it.
To anybody that regularly buys ebooks. I have some questions.
A couple days ago two kind anon told me about calibre's dedrm plugin method. I've since get several free ebooks from Amazon but when I tried to strip the drm with dedrm plugin, it didn't work. I've read dedrm's plugin faq and tried some troubleshooting steps there but still failed.
So I have 2 question now. Where do you guys buy your ebook other than Amazon?
Rakuten? Ebookjapan? Bookwalkers? Some other place perhaps?
What is your experience with them? Which place other than Amazon that you found to be easy to strip the DRM, and what software do I need for it?
I usually buy my manga in the local book store but I've been wanting to just buy ebooks for a long time now. I figured if I can pay 400-500 yen why should I pay 3-4 times that amount if I can get the e-book.
pps: Has anybody ever experienced failing to strip drm with calibre's dedrm with Amazon ebooks? Is it because I've so far only ever tried the free ebooks instead of the paid one? Tried like 13 of them tho.
I've always wondered why RTK is so famous on DJT. Unless the person in question wants to be able to write, it's not even objectively the best to begin with. While RTK's learning order is excellent, a lot of kanji books out there (esp. the one marketed to foreigners) implement their own order as well that is maybe just a level or two below RTK's order in learning efficiency. The tradeoff being all other kanji books teaches vocabs and other kanji-related things alongside the kanji itself.
I'm not a fan of RTK1 and Heisig's own made-up "primitives".
I've done amazon ebooks with calibre before and it worked fine. I don't know how to troubleshoot your problems though.
Rakuten is easy to rip from. They give you adobe drm files and you use calibre again to rip them.
There are rippers for ebookjapan and bookwalker but they've become difficult to obtain recently.
But, if you promise not to post it anywhere publicly I can send you the ebj one. Email [email protected]
>I've always wondered why RTK is so famous on DJT
Well it's one of the most popular method overall I think, even though there are best alternatives I think. Also, the optimized core, which is very important to the /djt/ mindset, originally came from the koohii forums. I wouldn't be surprised if people from koohii migrated to /djt/ or still lurks both places.
RTK was the most popular kanji book from before DJT existed. DJT also used to love kanjidamage but then the guy went through that intro correcting everything (some of which are legitimate and a lot of which are nitpicking) and apparently that makes the rest of it unusable.
can someone tell me which one is english? i really appreciate it
in shmups, you are at the bottom. enemies and bullets and all that move downward, toward you.
similarly, you can think of reading top to bottom as pulling the reading down and inward toward yourself, who like the player character in a shmup is at "the bottom of the page'
Losing motivation a little, but surely tomorrow will be better after some reading.
Has anyone here done a jap course before?
My parents keep telling me that I should try it alongside my econ degree, but I've heard it's nightmarishly slow compared to self study.
Any horror stories? I've heard things like spending three months on kana alone
Anyone here practices kanji writing?
I like writing my kanjis but regular pen doesn't feel right at all, I've seen about fudepen but I'm also interesed in shodo, anyone have experience using fudepen? is it good for kanji practice? Are shodo brushes convenient at all for practice?
If you don't immediately know a card, how long do you give yourself to try to think of the answer before you decide to flip it?
Hey guys, ff you're looking for some quick, easy, compelling stuff to read in Japanese in your browser, Pixiv has a large number of fan-written short stories available. Good if you want something that doesn't take forever to read, something you can read comfortably in your browser with Rikai, etc.
A few recommended authors (courtesy of /u/):
Just do self study. All that will happen when you take a Japanese course is you'll be pissed at all the annoying retards you have to communicate with and pissed at the stupidly slow pace the course is proceeding at, it's a waste of money. If you're "not motivated enough" to go at twice the pace of a Japanese course with self study you'll never learn Japanese anyway so don't bother.
I just got back. Thanks for replying anon.
I just need to get an ebook source from somewhere, and 1 source is enough if it works. You mentioned Rakuten is easy to strip the drm from so I'll just try that out. In addition to paying 3+ time more, it's not that nice having to wait 1 or so month just for the bookstore to import the manga I want to read.
I'm going to skip on the EBJ one for now because I won't need them if I can get it from Rakuten succesfully.
About Rakuten, 3 small questions if you don't mind... On top of JP address, does Rakuten requires JP cellphone number as well (like text message confirmation before signing up)?
Do I strip the rakuten ebook with that same plugin, Calibre's deDRM?
Lastly, I take it a foreign Credit Card works just fine?
Thanks a lot in advance anon, and I hope you see this reply.
It asks for a phone number but doesn't seem to use it for anything. Foreign cards work fine. The only thing worth noting is that after you buy the book you have to go to kobobooks.com and login with your rakuten ID, and then open the file they give you in Adobe's ebook reader to actually download it. Then you can use the Calibre deDRM on it.
I'm the guy who came in here a while ago. I was using shitty Rosetta Stone and thank goodness you guys called me the fuck out on it. Took about a month but I've finally got both Hiragana and Katakana committed to memory. Bros I'm stressing out now though, I'm completely overwhelmed with all the new stuff to learn. What should I do? What was the next step you took at this point?
Oh, and if it's manga or something and you prefer to have the images themselves over having them packaged into an epub file, you can use calibre to convert it into a zip. Then inside the zip there'll be a folder with all of the pages in order at their full resolution.
The next step is WaniKani, a transcendental Japanese learning app that has a proven record of taking a beginner to fluency in as little as 2 years. It has a no nonsense system that no other thing could compete with. I used to only know Hirigana and Katagana but after using WaniKani, I found myself with 600 Kanjis in as little as 9 months.
Well let's do some calculation, shall we. I'll be kind and round off the number of kana at 100. It'll take you twenty months to get through Core 2k if you go at this speed. Not bad, right?
Is this serious or is that some kind of meme software? So you went straight from kana to kanji? The thing I'm struggling with is the order to do things in. I don't know if I should start working on vocab or learning grammar or memorizing kanji.
He's fucking with you. It's a current super epic le funny meme on DJT to jokingly shill a bad service to gullible new learners and in turn reduce the quality of the community.
WaniKani is a meme.
Learn grammar if you haven't already (through Tae Kim or other) and learn kanji by learning words/vocab through reading(important) and/or anki(not as important)
The basic reason why people are laughing at you is that taking a long time on the kana is suggestive of a hopelessly flawed mindset. When something is "important" like the kana is, it doesn't mean you should study it super hard and slowly and methodically so you never get it wrong when it shows up on a flashcard. If something is "important," it means that it's something that you will be seeing a lot and that you can only gain any useful competency at by seeing it in an organic context like reading real (beginner-level) Japanese content. Taking a long time to meticulously study the entirety of the more boring and organized aspects of the language is sort of a crutch since it's something you can visualize in numbers and feel like you've completed a set percentage of the language.
>I learned the readings of 20 different kanji. That means that now I know 1% of the language and that tomorrow I'll know 2%.
This makes you feel "safe" about your progress in the language, but it is only delaying the actual way that you learn the language: enjoying comprehensible content. It's not really effective to practice the language by studying the individual aspects of the language really hard and hoping that once you're "done" they'll magically become a comprehensible whole. As scary as it seems, language learning feels more like a skill that you build rather than a quantifiable set of data. You should aim to go through the memorization and purposeful study part of the beginner as fast as possible and get to actually engaging with the language.
That's not to say that you should never purposefully study, but it's only a means to an end. The way you should measure your progress by is by what you're reading and how enjoyable the experience is.
As a former NEET I would guess that it's a combination of actual NEETs, former NEETs and NEET people who wish they had the luxury of being a NEET for a while.
So the amount that you hear about it on 4chan might not be completely accurate, but I don't think it's a meme at all.
But then again I don't really check outside my comfort zones on the internet. I hope it hasn't reached meme status on other sites.
>all posters claiming to be NEETs are paid government shills
>technically I am being payed by the government
>I'm spending a lot of my time on a Japanese style message board talking about Japanese cartoons and Japanese games and the Japanese language
>I've been a shill for Japan without even realizing it
I think you happened upon some kind of real "less than one percent chance" conspiracy by the Japanese government to hire foreign NEET shills without THEM even realizing it.
Is 20 cards per day for the DOJG deck a good pace? I've been doing that for ten days and it seems okay but I fear that might be a bit fast. For those doing the deck, how many cards are you doing per day?
Usually it helps to do it in different ways.
Like read their pronunciations backwards, or look away from the card for a bit, say the pronunciation and then try to recall a mental picture of it.
Things like that.
Think of all the anime girls you'll be missing out on anon. And when 2d becomes real due to technological advancements. I've been a NEET for about 5 years now though, I think it's time I start doing something about it, at least from a social aspect, cus this shit is unhealthy anxiety/depression-wise having pretty much no interaction with other people in real life.
Hey guys im looking to get into the Kanji market. My jp knowledge is decent, I have maybe 1200 kanji under my belt all fully grown. As you know, the Japanese natives have the biggest hold in the kanji market because its easy to learn a kanji as long as you know all the other kanji. I was wondering how i could compete with the low prices the natives offer.
I thought of a few strategies for the kanji market. If you don't know kanji is sold based on how easy it is to recognized. Fully matured kanjis which you recognize easily sell for the most, and almost never recognized kanji sell for the least. Prices also are based off of how common the kanji is and how easy it is to learn.
1) Farm basic kits. Continue to create the basic sets of the 50 most common kanji fully matured/ Disadvantages include losing a big portion of japanese you can understand.
2) sell my 10% of my kanji and while i continue to re-learn them. I'm not sure if this is profittable, but i don't lose much by taking this option
3) Cash out on everything i know and start from scratch. Japanese has been kind of boring recently. Maybe by starting from scratch i can rekindle that burst of excitement i had when i learnt my first kanji.
4) Kanji investment. Buy kanji popular by an author and wait in the long term for that author to become more popular, and sell it for a profit.
Please let me know your strategies for the kanji market. I hear if you know what you're doing it can be quite profitable
Wait how long does it normally take to commit the kana to memory? A month is too long?
So you're saying it should all be together, rather than learned in a step by step way. So should I learn some grammar and start reading, while translating the words as I go? Is that what you're suggesting?
>Wait how long does it normally take to commit the kana to memory? A month is too long?
It's slow by DJT standards, but not "too long". Took me a month to learn kana but 2 months to do Core2K so it doesn't necessarily mean you're going to be a freakishly slow learner.
If you go straight into reading how do you translate the words?
Okay so the general view most people have around here is go right into reading once you learn grammar. You guys don't study kanji alone? Also same question as above, how do I translate the words as I go?
>You guys don't study kanji alone?
You can study kanji in isolation, but it's not for everyone, and you need to be aware of what goals you should have (hint: reading, not knowing kanji)
>You guys don't study kanji alone?
Not really. Learning kanji through vocabulary works well enough.
>How do I translate the words as I go?
Ideally when you start out you should go for a manga or something with furigana (kana reading next to or above kanji) to help you with being able to read and type that into jisho.com
If you're reading something in your browser you can use rikaisama/rikaichan to quickly get the reading and definition of words you come across.
If you're reading visual novels you can do some things that link the text up to a browser page to use rikaisama/rikaichan. (I don't remember the exact method)
Worst comes to worst, if you come across a new kanji in a manga with no furigana and no way to copy paste it you can use jisho's radical search feature or try drawing it.
Are you genuinely just start Japanese yesterday or are you just having fun trolling because it's Friday?
At least have the decency to read the OP mate. We'll answer most things beginners asked but you sound like a lazy person that don't even bother reading the OP, or you're actually trolling. I'm not sure.
The usual advice is to only spend a couple days learning kana. It'll take longer to commit it to memory, but who said you have to commit something to memory before moving on?
Only moving on after you're sure you've fully memorized something accomplishes 2 things. 1) It drastically reduces frustration. 2) It drastically increases the amount of time it will take for you to improve.
So which is more important to you? Not feeling overwhelmed/frustrated, or not taking a lifetime to learn this language?
How? How is this possible? What do you do to commit that many new concepts and symbols to memory? How can you focus like that and not have your brain completely fried at the end of the day with all of he information just a disgusting mess in your mind?
And do you have anything else in your life that you need to do?
Ah there it is. The reason everyone hates attention whores.
If people like you didn't exist then we wouldn't have a problem with people like this imouto poster.
Why don't you fondle his balls too while you're at it?
Holy shit okay I didn't realize this. I wandered into the Tae Kim book and just followed what he said. I assumed it was absolutely essential to have the kana 100% committed to memory before moving on. Most of my time was spent reviewing for memory, if I sped through it real quick I could have had it done so much faster.
I think I'm starting to see the preferred method around here. So you guys prefer doing the total immersion thing.
Right, but what are you actually doing? Like what is your study method to commit this information to memory? That speed is mind boggling to me. How much time do you spend per day?
>new concepts and symbols
maybe if you're new to Japanese media
but at least you often see あいうえおの in anime right?
also like the other anon said learn to write them, with the correct strokes
Not him but realkana.com is how I learned all the kana.
You don't really have to think about it you just do it until you know them.
I "learned" them all in one day though they didn't stick much so I did them again the next day and after a few days I would only make occasional mistakes on ン/ソ, シ/ツ
And this didn't take a lot of time each day. Like around an hour each day or maybe less.(First day was a bit more I guess)
After that you start actually committing them to memory by reading stuff.
What's your point?
You know he probably loves seeing shit like this >>138806261 right? So it's not like you're helping anyone.
and being helpful doesn't give someone special privileges on 4chan. If I'd tell a useless sack of shit to fuck off for being an attention whore then I'll tell the kindest most helpful person to fuck off too for being an attention whore.
>Yoshihide Suga just said, "A problem in USA, so it's to be dealt with in USA." "In diplomacy between the Japan and U.S., since, the secret should be kept tightly." was stated. But they assumed that a whistle-blowing site Wikileaks was trying the tapping by which NSA is a cadre of Japanese ministry, Bank of Japan and Department of the Treasury from around at least 2006 on July 31, 2015, and the Chief Cabinet Secretary and the Shinzo Abe Prime Minister exhibited related document of the U.S. government Yoshihide Suga, and stated "when it was fact, very regrettably" at last.
I cannot understand this at all.
I wonder how many times, when reading Japanese, the text is actually written by a foreigner with a poor understanding of fundamental grammar, or something.
Makes me paranoid.
>Imouto answers your difficult question in Japanese
>You don't understand Imouto's answer because you suck at Japanese
This isn't much of a problem anymore, but it really sucked when I was just starting out.
Okay so I understand what you're getting at now. You just pounded them out real quick then improved retention through reading. That's why it took me so long. I was hellbent on absolutely having every single character and the combinations committed to memory along with their stroke orders so I could just pull them out of my memory when needed. Like if I was going to write a letter or something.
Will not defend that,because it's garbage indeed, but you are wrong. It's called にくづき, and it's referring to 肉, and that's why it's in a lot of body parts. It's just look like 月 in modern typface/writing. Next time, look up your shit bro. Picture related.
Anki. Of course, I didn't't start out at 50+20. When I started out Core I was at 20 cards per day. This is pretty normal for most people. By using a SRS, you can achieve daunting tasks like learning 2k words in two months relatively easily. What matters is finding the right speed for you. As for the time I spend, usually 1h to 2h, especially since I read the grammar points thoroughly and try to understand the differences between close expressions.
>By using a SRS, you can achieve daunting tasks like learning 2k words in two months relatively easily
Correction: With SRS, you can INTRODUCE 2k words easily. You don't know them until they're mature.
As some Anon said a while ago (or maybe it was just earlier in this thread. I don't remember)
Kana is probably the most important thing to learn in Japanese, but that doesn't mean you should spend a lot of time on it. Since it's so fundamental, you're going to see it everywhere and you'll naturally be learning it by reading anything so you shouldn't stress over it for too long.
>Kana is probably the most important thing to learn in Japanese
I think kanji/kana are of equal importance, really. Can't read anything without kanji, can't read anything without kana.
You claimed you hate attention whores but do you realize that by calling out another person an attention whore, it makes you yourself an attention whore.
You are trying to control other people's actions through insults just because their actions doesn't align with your own personal world view or what you think is correct.
>You know he probably loves seeing shit like this >>138806261 right?
You have posted "fuck imouto" and "death to imouto" a couple times recently, and I remember imouto qouted you once and replied "fuck off" to you.
Regardless of whether imouto actually loves it or not and whether you remember that he called you out once or not, he replied to you seemingly expressing disagreement.
Have fun and good luck with your crusade against imouto and every other attention whores in djt.
I will make a mental note to myself not to engage with you anymore in the future during my stay on djt.
Have a nice day.
On Wikipedia, with east asian modern things being miswritten, it's usually a japanese or korean person translating to english. You can reconstruct the intended grammar with that knowledge and edit it into shape.
What's the bottom one?
I'm not the one who posted the gif. Or anything else relating to the imouto poster in the past either
>You are trying to control other people's actions through insults
Did I insult someone?
I know someone posted a mean gif of your boyfriend, but you don't have to be so defensive about it.
Does it really surprise you that people don't like attention whores? How new are you?
I started reading yotsuba, and I understand it, but for some reason my mind puts the sentence into English.
I don't know how to explain it very well, but it's really frustrating. If anyone understands what I mean, is this common starting out?
No problem bro. Actually there are some fonts, where you can see that that's actually 舟、and not 月. But you don't fine a font, where 肉 doesn't look like 月 as にくづき, but it's quite sure, that it's referring to meat.
The character of the pussy is a fun example.
Already in the 篇海 Chinese character dictionary, the explanation of 膣(vagina), is the following:
音窒。肉生也。It means that you have to pronounce it as 窒, and if we translate the Chinese to classical Japanese, it's somewhat like 肉より生ずるなり。
It's like switching from grammar books to reading in the first place. You have to try it so that you know when it's time. It doesn't always stop automatically, that's why the other anon said "try to stop doing it". It's not like you should be actively trying to not think in english when you still need to do so, but rather you need to keep trying not to once in a while so you really know when you're ready to stop thinking in english.
It's kinda hard to explain
Like you don't try to translate いただきます to rub a dub dub thanks for the grub everytime you read it right? You just unconciously understand the meaning of the word itself
It gets better the more you read
>for some reason my mind puts the sentence into English
Because your mind wants to actually comprehend as precisely as possible. It's fine.
Just keep reading and comprehending Japanese. It will stop on its own. You don't need to "try" to stop it. In fact, if you're studying really often, you'll start going in the opposite direction, thinking in Japanese when you least expect it.
Think of it as exposure / getting those things in your head. As long as you understand the example sentences, keep going. You solidify the stuff you learn from Tae Kim by reading compelling content. Just about everything Tae Kim is something you'll see in pretty much everything you read.
You don't have to completely understand everything when you first go through it.
As long as you get the general gist of it you should do fine when you start reading.
You'll really start to understand/learn once you start reading.
I have a stupid-ass question I don't understand.
お茶淹れて、マリス。 しばらく飲めそうもないし。 それくらいの時間は、親衛隊も保つでしょ
I don't get the last sentence in this - I'm reading the first two as something like: "Maris, brew some tea. I doubt we'll be able to have some for quite some time."
But I don't understand the last sentence, it's something about bodyguards enduring but I can't quite get it. For reference, this is from Rance 03, and Leazas Castle is under attack.
Yeah, I'm understanding all the example sentences and so on. I just feel that I need to pick up the pace and get to reading some raw material ASAP before I start forgetting. I should've used the TK Anki deck from the start, but it's kind of too late now seeing as I'm a few lessons into special expressions and to catch up at 40 new cards a day, it'd still take 2 weeks. In any case, I've kept notes on everything, so a quick search should help if I forget something.
I'll just go through DOJG and use the deck for those from the start at some point after TK/some compelling content.
You can try Yotsuba with the reading pack (check the old resources pastebin in the OP for a link) after you finish the special expressions section of Tae Kim, but you should still do the rest while reading, because the "advanced topics" stuff is still very common.
Also don't expect reading to be even remotely easy when you start. It's pretty different from the example sentences and will take some getting used to, especially if you haven't watched a lot of anime / Japanese content beforehand. The reading pack should at least help handhold you through the first couple volumes and act as training wheels, though.
The way Japanese use negatives is confusing. A handful of misgivings I have, help please.
He's saying sometimes he can fall asleep after waking up but repeatedly he can't?
He's less stressed than when he was in Japan?
He's saying supplements and medication dosent seem to be easily available, and that he'd like to get better by not using them?
>tfw have to manually sift through Windows updates to avoid getting the ones that allow it to force W10 on you
How is the compatibility situation on W10 compared to 8.1 with VNs and learning tools like texthookers? Is it still bad? I heard you can just decline the ToS when it forces the install and you can just go back to whatever OS you were previously using, but still.
Oh, I see. So それくらい would basically be "At least that much".
くらい tends to throw me off a lot, it seems to have a ton of uses. も also felt like a weird particle to use here, and I can't quite figure it out either.
Anyways, thanks for the help!
I can't sleep at night, and even when I think I've fallen asleep, I end up waking up just 2-3 hours afterwards
After waking up, there are times when I can fall right back to sleep, but there are also times when I again have difficulties falling asleep.
I'm working when I'm in Japan, so I should be less stressed out compared to that other time
Medication and supplements can be difficult to stop using so I'm thinking it would be best to get better without using them.
>(n,vs) understanding; comprehension;
The 2nd and 3rd lines are uncertain to me. Help.
"Local resident here
This morning while coming back I passed by front (of this building), a TV camera was seemingly filming (the front of the bulding)
Maybe these are the last 72hrs for this building? Or possibly a local broadcast's camera?
The breakdown/repair of this vending machine was often in the local news
I was hoping the (vending machine) would be around for another half year
I was planning to start with the udon here in the summer and aim for Niigata Paradise (apparently another retro place with food vending machines)"
How long have you been doing that many new cards? It can take a month or two to level out. I'd say go for it if you think you can handle it and don't mind double the reviews, though. Currently doing 40 and it feels like a solid pace. Might bump it up to 60.
Finally have all of the Hiragana and the voiced versions down! Now on to the Katakana...
It never ends, does it? I mean, I've looked at the Kanji a little bit and there's like 2000 of them...
There are tens of thousands of kanji, but you'll likely only ever need a few thousand even for reading chuunishit. You'll get used to them.
The beginning sucks, but after you get used to kanji, learning a new one isn't hard and learning new vocab is so easy you'll be able to guess the pronunciation and/or meaning of most words you come across that contain kanji you're familiar with.
Also not all sentences ending with い can't have だ
Just when the sentence ends with an i-adjective or something that conjugates like an i-adjective (negative conjugation, tai-forms of verbs, etc.)
I wouldn't say it's that much unless it's your first VN, and even that might be pushing it a little bit. My 2nd VN was 15 hours on EGS and I finished it in a couple weeks. Granted I had a lot of free time and not everyone goes at the same pace, but still.
>why do japanese people use their writing system in their works?
Well yeah, but the closest english equivalent would be if I started randomly tossing in cursive in whatever I was writing.
Sure it has the same meaning, but it would look silly.
I bet stylistic furigana makes you angry too.
>Or are you just saying you've read it all the way through and it's shit.
No, I like to judge VNs based solely off English summaries and sample screenshots on vndb, assume they're shit, and then go on to post about how shit they are on anonymous imageboards. Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate is also shit, follow my example and don't bother reading it.
Someone help me out with my comprehension?
These two lines are killing me
"After the work was pointed out to be disrepectful to life, the artist refused the prize. Again, the center's homepage stated there is s no winner but.. After our investigation there were 2 "special selections", 12 " chosens", and "3 exceptional" works shown.
Net users who saw that, again raised skeptical voices. That is to say, (they argued) about which pictures represented ohosok's beauty.
>No, I like to judge VNs based solely off English summaries and sample screenshots on vndb, assume they're shit, and then go on to post about how shit they are on anonymous imageboards.
I do this.
I used to do 40 before anki was a chore. I lose motivation for anki really easily now so I've either done 0 or 20. But I really need to increase my vocab as its falling way behind, so that's my motivation for now. I should be able to handle it if I can force myself to do anki every day like I should
 - Do reps.
[X] - Wallow in self pitty about how you can't learn japanese, let alone do anything.
[ ] - Do reps.
[ ] - Wallow in self pitty about how you can't learn japanese, let alone do anything.
[X] - Engage in compelling content
 - Do reps.
[X] - Get drunk and wallow in self pitty about how you can't learn japanese, let alone do anything.
I don't know why I even bother anymore.
>the artist refused the prize
>Again, the center's homepage stated there is s no winner but..
the homepage changed its content and announced the decision that there was no winner of the best award
>After our investigation
After the screening
>"special selections", 12 " chosens", and "3 exceptional"
excellent (award) 2 works, good (award) 12 works, special award 3 works
>about which pictures represented ohosok's beauty.
that every work represented ohosok's beauty (possibly than the work cancelled).