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I would like to instil in people just to work hard. As long as they keep at it, their dreams will happen.
Shit like this is why we use a single image since it won't let you create multiple threads with the same image. Stuff like varying OP images is for when a new thread isn't made literally instantly like here.
Anyways, quit talking about it and just move on. Don't give them even more reason to ban us by devolving into meta shit.
This is why we use the same image for the OP so you don't get duplicates even if 10 people try to make the thread at the same time
DJT didn't used to have new threads made literally within 5 seconds of the old thread dying, so this wasn't really an issue before since the threads usually took anywhere from 5 minutes to a few hours for a new one to pop up, meaning varying images wasn't a problem in those cases.
He will, if he takes charge of his destiny with the power of WaniKani.
where can i get the patch for this?
literally every link i check is dead.
Read more, and focus on meaning, not sound.
>I can't keep up with the recorded sentences in Core 2k/6k
Do you actually listen to Japanese stuff like anime or you're watching everything dubbed? How can the recorded sentences seem fast, honestly.
My friend said I'm a weeb because I'm learning Japanese.
But we both watch anime and read manga, and he even jerks off to hentai, which I don't.
Am I more of a weeb than he is? Or are we both just fucking losers and there's no point?
>The only shitposter is the guy who did the Yuno one.
That thread was created 1 second after this thread, so in all likelihood there weren't any threads up when that thread was made either.
Now that it's clear that you're the bigger weeb in the relationship, you need to take responsibility and wear anime themed outfits whenever he comes over.
I'm taking my very first baby steps to learning this goddamn language. Or at least learning how to read it.
What is a good "beginner goal?" Are there simple documents where you can say, "if you can comprehend this, you're on the right track?" I need material.
Oh look, you're got a new scapegoat for the shit this general has attracted. This is almost biblical.
>Just wait until the mods delete them.
The general itself, not these individual threads.
Short answer: no. Long answer: partially. Tae Kim covers it in one of the ending particle section. It also has a nuance of 'speaking to yourself'. With ね you ask the people for agreement, with な you're wondering for yourself.
>Practiced for a year
>quit for a year
>see OP image on catalog
>remember and instantly feel like shit
I'm back DJT, let's see how long it takes me to quit again.
>i dont like that scale because i feel it is missing 6-10
Do you mean you want 5 VNs more difficult than Muramasa, or you want 5 VNs of medium difficulty in-between the current 5?
I'm not really sure. I'm reporting the threads as they're popping up, but I'm not really sure what he's hoping to achieve from this. Does he think the mods are going to go "okay this one guy is being annoying on purpose so your threads are banned now"? Someone should tell him about the filter feature or show him generals that are worse than this one.
I wouldn't call any more attention to it than we already are though. It's enough to let people know it's happening / that he's spammed over 20-30 threads in the past couple hours so they can watch and report. We should try to keep this thread on-topic.
No problem man, right back at you. Just doing my part. What are you reading right now?
Also, this "select ____ until there are none left" captcha is really annoying. The transition for new images to pop up is too long.
Yes. Just hit "good" the first time you see new cards, especially if you plan on using custom study for forgotten cards. If you want that extra step from hitting "again" the first time, then go to the deck options and change the "1 10" to "1 1 10"
Why do people always include this in such lists? It's like the most common word in the Japanese language, even a beginner should know it. You might as well put 今日 in.
also I didn't know 代替 or 曲者
If you're the anon who was spamming and are just here to false flag, then fuck off.
If you're a random /a/ user and noticed the board getting spammed to hell, then we apologize, there's an incredibly angry autist who hates DJT for not catering to him, so he decided to throw a ragefit on /qa/ and then spam /a/ with bogus threads to piss the mods off after /qa/ didn't listen to him. We generally try to do a good job of making sure there's only ever one thread up at a time.
I don't know why but 雰囲気(ふんいき） is often pronounced as ふいんき or ふーいんき so not a few Japanese misunderstand.
maybe It's a easier question for a non-native Japanese speaker than for a Japanese.
I'm struggling to put together a sentence and I need some help. I know someone that's kind of sad and they say they're leaving their blog. How can I tell them that I hope they feel better and come back soon?
These three are playing tricks on you friend, saying stuff like "go eat shit" and "please suck my dick.
You need to go with these. You can combine them and they mean well.
U suppose to learn kanji without grammar or what?
Only systematic studying would make it worth the effort. Just Download Minnano Nihongo or something and get started. There are a few apps that would be helpful (like obenkyo) but this shit is absolutly pointless without studying program.
In any case we should probably just stop talking about it/being baited into arguments, regardless of on which side you stand, as it seems to inevitably escalate. I'm pretty suprised by how lenient the mods have been with us these last weeks actually, all things considering.
By the power invested in me by Anki and ten of thousands of reps, this will be last post I ever make on the topic.
>muramasa isnt really near the top of difficult text, imo
In terms of VNs I struggle to think of what could surpass it, aside from a couple mareni titles, but even they aren't so much harder to necessitate Muramasa dropping a tier.
Learnt Japanese some time ago and did this on the wall.
Used to see this and wake up and get pumped, I stopped and now it's just there.
It's because your shitty phone didn't actually rotate the image after you took it but displayed it to you as if it had the correct orientation. And 4chan deletes metadata.
>start learning japanese
>get through close to 2k kanji
>stop because of business and the kanji catching up to me
>remember so little it's depressing
>think about how if I had stuck with it I'd be able to read simple manga at worst
It's only going to continue like this if I don't jump back on right now. I have less time than ever to learn, but I can do it!
I'm making a promise to you DJT, today is the day I start again, wish me luck!
Anki showed me this same card twice in a row in core2k6k, I suppose it's normal and everyone experienced this?
Never seen anyone mentioning it around here though so I'm wondering.
Good luck anon!
I was just learning about ようにする and how it roughly means "make an effort too"
An example it gave was like
毎日, みずを飲むようにする (this was the exact example, I'm just trying to practice a little)
How would I do this for するverbs?
For example I want to study Japanes every day.
Why did they even bother putting in these dumb ass pictures?
i have like 16 months left of my post-911 gi bill so i think im gonna take a language school course in japan
anyone can recommend a site where there's reviews of language schools over there?
>don't waste your money on shit
He can get his student visa endorsed his school, allowing him to live in an environment of total immersion for as long as he attends and stays in good academic standing.
FYI, these schools are not your average liberal arts classes. These are intensive schools designed to take people from 0 to N1 in 2 years with a focus on preparation to enter Japanese college. You "graduate" by passing N1 / EJUA.
And it will be completely free, using the military's college fund that will pay nearly 100% of the cost, including room & board.
Yeah, sounds like a really shit deal.
I started memorizing Kanji when I finished the JLPT N5 deck and was working on the N4 deck and realized the Kanji were too similar and I was getting confused. I felt I needed to learn some Kanji in order to progress.
So, I'm currently working my way through 常用漢字 with Anki flashcards (about 1100 in now). I've read that at least a few of them are "obscure" or rarely used Kanji. Can someone with more experience chime in as to how useful memorizing all the 常用漢字 is going to be?
Yeah language schools in Japan are the real deal.
The only argument I would propose against them doesn't actually have to do with how effective they are. Rather, to me, enjoying the process of learning is more important than fast results. Studying independently for 2 years at your own pace studying material you want to will almost undoubtedly put you behind someone who went to a Japanese language school for 2 year. However, if you enjoy the process, you'll have a good time for those 2 years, immersed in compelling content and what you specifically want to learn, whereas someone in language school will undoubtedly have a bad time (just like any intensive school, really) with a lot of homework and uncompelling content. So, from my view, a language school is not good for someone wanting a good time and not minding going slower, but it's good for someone who wants to have a bad time but learn faster.
I went to mine words from a word list but boy is it intimidating. When you see a word in a book it's like, yeah, gotta learn this, but a word list is just so... scary, even. It's this or mine like 5 new words a day though.
Anyway, fun fact, LOGH volume 8 and 9 have an OBI-2 reading level of 13, which is university level and the hardest level of them all (obi-2 is a scale of 1-13).
>mfw i can understand for the most parts of japanese hentai with my actual level
>can read intermediate level stuffs now
>no longer interested in hentai manga
Well shit's going easier than I thought, it's easier to pick up than my native tongue. Got about 120 kanji memorized so far along with god knows how many words. Grammar is such a fucking piece of cake compared to my language, holy shit.
any chance I could get a hand with reading this?
I know the second kanji is 塚 (probably) but can't read the first one
tried looking it up by radicals with 夕 but couldn't find it
We have a guide dude
Anki introduces 20 cards day one, not 1,000, and slowly introduces 20 more, while keeping reviews of previously introduced cards low via SRS. I suggest you get over your distaste for flashcards because it's pretty important to use anki in my opinion.
Does it pick 20 of them randomly or is it some kind of weighted decision based on how difficult it is to read? I'd like to have something that starts me off with basic shit like numbers, simple shapes like person, big etc and getting harder the further you progress.
Like I don't want it to teach me fucking book or come before I even learn tree.
>tfw studying words entirely of kanji you already know
It's like Japanese just entered easy mode.
That entirely depends on what deck you choose. Each deck has a preset order with the option to follow that order or randomly choose cards. Core2k/6k optimized, the most commonly recommended deck, has an order based on kanji introduction, aiming to introduce simple/common kanji first and then build off that while introducing more and more kanji. Coincidentally, Core2k/6k does start off with numbers and days (though those are actually the hardest words to learn in my opinion due to janky as fuck readings).
However, you should get out of the mindset of learning simple stuff before complex stuff. Everything used frequently in Japanese is of equal important, and because you're an adult human with the intelligence of one, starting off learning like a child doesn't really help you. So you'll see stuff like "surgery" before, maybe, "purple". That's just gonna happen. There's thousands upon thousands of words, all just about equally important. You've got to learn some before others, and some are going to be more adult and complex. Not to mention that linear difficult is pretty much impossible to have in a language.
>It's wasting time to learn the language like the Japanese do, starting with simple shapes first and having those shapes progress into others, like learning tree first, then book, then come etc.
Fuck off retard.
>does it work for most VNs?
No, only for games that use xp3 (kirikiri mainly), and even then not always.
Nothing works for most VNs. Too many different engines, too many peculiarities.
My suggestion? Try WaniKani. First 3 levels or something are free. You'll learn a hundred or so words and a few dozen kanji. That'll be enough to know if you wanna keep using it. Ultimately I think WaniKani gives you something like 2000 kanji and 6000 vocab words if you decide to pay for it and go through all of the levels. It's not bad.
If you just want Kanji, download Anki, download the NihongoShark Kanji deck and start plowing through them. It takes 107 days to go through all of the Jouyou kanji at 20 per day. It's quite doable.
Holy fuck! I just mined a word from that LOGH wordlist and not 30 minutes later saw it while reading a nukige.
What a frickin coincidence. Thanks wordlists!
(me again >>138743054) and before I close my browser since is gonna point this out : no I don't care it's missing 10 level or something. The deck still has plenty to learn from and is enough to build a decent base of knowledge. There is no reason to pay for this.
Once again stop shilling, if you really can't help yourself then go back to berneddit, you aren't welcome here. And yeah don't lie, we know you're coming from over there, it's painfully obvious.
Begun reading a while ago, sometimes I encounter a sentence where I don't understand 100% of it but mainly get the gist of it, should I just move on and say fuck it or look up every single detail with the DOJG?
So the question is move on or read a chapter of a manga at a even slower pace?
Would be nice to hear some input on how other anons handled that.
Look up every single detail (if it's as easy as finding it in the index or simply googling it, more obscure stuff is a definite ignore at lower levels). If you look it up now you won't have to later. That simple.
I think really trying your best to get all of it is more beneficial, and will result in you improving faster, but it also could potentially be discouraging and irritating
Just skipping it and moving on is also beneficial in the sense that you'll be exposed to more shit in a shorter period of time, and will potentially have a more fun time doing it
You're going to reach that goal as long as you don't give up. What makes you feel like giving up? Compulsively looking up grammar terms even though you already understand the sentence, excessive flash cards, trying to grind through multiple decks at once and more. The choice is simple, really.
Sometimes I am not really sure how to look up stuff because it is just stupid slang the character uses and that throws me off.
>but it also could potentially be discouraging and irritating
Yes looking up everything can get boring really fast, maybe I will look up stuff in one chapter and skip looking up things in the next?
It surely will work out somehow.
It seems I always choose the hard options.
Posting monthly retention rates with yellow background.
What now, greyfags?
That is a lot of sophistry to avoid looking up stuff you don't understand.
>even though you already understand the sentence
Getting the gist is far from understanding the sentence.
There's really a balance to be struck here. You should certainly be looking some things up, but if you're slowing yourself down to the point where you're only consuming a fraction of the content you otherwise could be, you're probably doing more harm than good.
Google it, if nothing comes up, move on.
If it's just slurring, you'll never understand it until you're used to the word being slurred so you have no choice but to move on.
If he has to look up so much grammar that he's moving at a fraction of the pace, then he's so knee deep in beginner level that he should be spending more time reading about grammar than reading.
Making up your own mnemonics works, if you can recognize the components. It's not like making up kanji mnemonics is some superhuman task that only someone with years of specialized training can do.
I would not call those people intermediates. Having trouble wrapping around a sentence? Sure, happens to everyone. But flat-out not knowing grammar and having to look it up, to the point of spending more time reading about grammar than reading text? Hella beginner.
It's not as if once you get out of the beginner stage you automatically know every Japanese grammar point in existence, there are still plenty of grammar rules that give intermediates problems, hell even in more advanced levels people have to look up grammar occasionally
Here are a bunch of N1 grammar words. Intermediates are not going to know these because a lot of them are used very sparingly. The meaning of sentences can be easily understood through context, but an intermediate might be compelled to look up all of these words.
Of course, if one is a beginner (which can be easily determined by what one is reading), clarifying all doubts with a dictionary is a must.
>there are still plenty of grammar rules that give intermediates problems
The grammar points which give intermediates problems can easily be googled and are not the majority of what they see.
Yes. Occasionally, as in not spending the majority or even a significant amount of time doing so.
>because a lot of them are used very sparingly.
And thus, it won't take a big chunk of time to research them, so what's the problem? They are simple to google and learn. It seems you and the other guy got the misconception that I'm saying you can't be intermediate unless you know all grammar. I'm not. I'm saying not knowing grammar points is a very minor issue for intermediates precisely because, as you say, the rare stuff is used sparingly. And is nonetheless easy to learn if they google it, and not time consuming. Where's the problem?
It is not like I don't understand, it is more like I don't get the fine small details, maybe I should just read more and look up stuff.
It is a marathon not a race at least I like to think so.
>And is nonetheless easy to learn if they google it, and not time consuming. Where's the problem?
Er, nobody said anything about spending more time looking up grammar than reading, just it getting annoying
> but if you're slowing yourself down to the point where you're only consuming a fraction of the content you otherwise could be, you're probably doing more harm than good.
>Nah, even intermediates will have lots of problems with grammar
>I would not call those people intermediates. Having trouble wrapping around a sentence? Sure, happens to everyone. But flat-out not knowing grammar and having to look it up, to the point of spending more time reading about grammar than reading text? Hella beginner.
And so on and so on. I beseech you, please read the discussions you participate in.
>it is more like I don't get the fine small details,
I.e. you don't understand and fill in the blanks with guessing. If you have to look up so much grammar that time spent reading skyrockets, I can only imagine how much you're not understanding.
>This is a pretty meaningless argument anyway
I dunno, I think it's actually meaningful. Not sure why you'd call it meaningless. Is it not an important choice, whether to ignore unknown material or whether to look it up?
No, I was talking about the intermediates or beginners argument.
As for whether the original poster should skip or look up stuff, if he's the guy who's reading manga, I would advise that he just look up everything for now and slow down on it once he feels like he has a better grasp on the language or when it gets unbearably annoying.
Those are certainly common enough for intermediates to know them and recognize them in reading, as is most N1 grammar. Now, actually knowing the nuances well and being able to distinguish them from similar forms is a different story, and intermediates may not be able to do that.
Reading an eroge for one character is a recipe in disappointment.
In fact, reading it for any number of characters is a recipe for disappointment if you don't like the writing itself.
I already went through Tae kims already, it's just that he doesn't cover enough material and I happen to encounter grammar that he didn't cover so I guess, I am just unlucky and need to look up more.
Will look up every grammar unknown to me now, I will need anyway.
You should stop discussing that now, im sure everyone of you has something better to do.
Thanks for the advice guys.
Reading eroge without liking the writing, playing games without liking the gameplay, watching movies without liking the cinematography, going through life without liking living. Is this not what we are all destined to do, in the end? Only death and suffering are real, all else is a fleeting dream.
It's unfortunate but true that even if you're bad at Japanese, you can still tell when writing is bad, for so often it's not the prose itself but rather the pacing characterization that fail spectacularly, and you don't need language to notice that. Boring text is real though, I'm playing Demons Souls in Japanese, the Japanese text has had "ありがとう" and "助かった" four different times each, and while the English has been different (You have my thanks, you're a life saver, etc) the Japanese hasn't.
>I already went through Tae kims already
It's commonly said that Tae Kim is just beginner grammar. I myself had a lot of problems with grammar until I went through the whole DOJG (w/ help from the anki deck).
No, because that level of nuance isn't something you even think about when reading, and looking them up in EDICT does nothing to improve that level of understanding.
For a clearer example, look at the EDICT definitions for ずくめ, まみれ, etc and compare to what actual grammar resources say about them. For ずくめ in particular it's vague as fuck and definitely doesn't make it clear that it is usually used for colored clothing
I've only found 1 kanji so far on the koohii site that didn't have a mnemonic, and it was a really easy one to remember / make up a mnemonic for. Only problem is some of the component names are dumb shit that koohii or Heisig made up, but they still get the job done in terms of helping make a mental anchor.
It's in the OP somewhere I'm sure, it's one of these, take your pick
(i used it before all these changes so I don't know the differences)
Is it possible or a good idea to learn Korean and Japanese at the same time? Just figured it'd be ok given they have the same sentence structure and all. Plus Hangul is easy so all that's needed in Korean is grammar and vocabulary, tenses and that's about it.
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>all that's needed in Korean is grammar and vocabulary
>I went through the whole DOJG (w/ help from the anki deck)
People actually sit down and grind DOJG? Isn't it meant to just serve as a reference for when you encounter new grammar?
It's "meant" to be whatever you want. Keeping in mind it only has 600-some entries (only around 200 of which were in tae kim if I recall) so going through anki deck of it is no big deal. It certainly helped me a lot.
How do you hand your mined decks? Do you just throw in every new word you find and go over them all or do you let them pile up and do a set amount a day? I'm currently doing 10 new cards from the 2/6k deck and 10 new cards from my mined vocabulary deck every day. Even though I'm doing more work because of the added reviews from the mined cards I still feel like I'm going slower than when I just did the 6k somehow.
By "combined one", I assume you mean the PDF. That doesn't have the explanations/notes in it, so I'd recommend reading the notes on the cards or actual scans (that's why the page numbers are there).
What is the difference between "Core 2k/6k Japanese Vocabulary" and the 2 Step version?
One has word audio and one has 2step music playing in the background.
If you already have it downloaded, just take a look at the notes and card layout. If I had to guess, I'd imagine it's production and recognition. One of the Core decks has like 5 cards for every word. The one in the OP setup guide is generally preferred if you're not looking to get into conversation right away I think, and even then I'd personally probably still go with it.
If you don't have crazy high shipping rates or import taxes you could probably just import it. Would likely still be over $100 though.
This >>138747793, go through Amazon Japan, it's cheaper. But I'm curious, where do you live for it to be so expensive?
Short answer: 2 step is shit. Long answer: 2k/6k is an optimized version of 2 steps, modified by nukemarine's to make it i+1.
Hey guys what does the 今日から四日間は毎日 mean in-
person 1- 家族の皆様は、どちらに?
person 2 - 旦那様と奥様は仕事。息子さんは幼年学校、だそうだ。今日から四日間は毎日
I'm guessing it's something like "from today they go everyday for four days"?
But I'm not sure, and I'm having some trouble with the parts after so I figured this could be the stem of my trouble
Thanks. I'll keep an eye out for it.
I saw that but it was all in romaji and it was mostly words, not phrases. I was thinking more about things I couldn't understand if I just looked it up on Jisho.
I wouldn't worry about it too much buddy, it's usually easy to work out slang, and if there's something really bad you can just google it or ask on here
No reason to give yourself things to be worried about before even encountering them
It's all good I got it now, the convo started off between person 1 and person 2, but then there was a little time skip in between and it changed to person 1 talking to person 3, relaying what person 2 said before, really threw me off
Pretty crazy how I instantly understood it all as soon as I realised that
Yes. Every time I encounter unknown words, I check the dictionary. This requires me much time, but this is better way to memorize the word for me. If I can see the meaning very easily, I forget it very easily.
I'll ask this again just in case someone knows. Is there a way to set custom colors for the rikai window? I'm fine editing code but I don't know how to even find the css in the addon file.
So I fell for the Heisig meme, and so far it works wonderfully. Should I finish it first before jumping into 2k/6k? I have a rudimentary knowledge of kanji and vocab, but I feel that when I learn a kanji form RTK attaching a reading to it becomes way easier.
Also why is it called 2k/6k and how many words are there actually?
Changed the zip to cbr and read it with comicrack. Now if only I'm aware of something else that is better than comicrack that is not bloated, I would've used that by now.
Tried getting Amazon kindle version with japan address trick, and while I managed to download the free ebook into kindle for pc, when I load it into calibre + dedrm plugin, the drm still don't get scrubbed, so I just gave up for now.
Probably just jump straight into reading. Reading is going to suck in the beginning no matter how much preparation you do, and memorizing/getting used to readings will still be fairly difficult, but at least you won't mix up similar kanji and you'll know pretty much instantly when you see a new kanji. Koohii has stories for almost every kanji you run into aswell, so adding a new card to your kanji deck shouldn't take much effort.
>have to write a letter about myself to japanese family I'm doing a homestay with
>almost every sentence starts with watashi wa
fug I look like a retard don't I? That's why learning languages sucks at an old age. I can say anything I want in many different ways, but with japanese I'm stuck with "I like this. I do this on the weekend. I want to do this."
I'm even struggling with saying "I want to do" this. I didn't learn this conjugation yet.
>fug I look like a retard don't I
protip: once you state the subject, you don't need to state it again until a new subject appears. It'll still be awkward but not as blatantly wrong.
>"I want to do" this.
I'm at the point where I need to start on Grammar, Kanji and Vocabulary. I read the new guide, the old guide, the /int/ guide and the revision, but I still don't know what to do. So, what should I do?
Protip: reading/listening a lot would give you much more natural ways to express yourslef. It's not about age, what matters is the way you learn, i.e. by actually having contact with the raw language, not with some dry textbooks.
I spend enough time on funposting already.
So I should learn the Kanji as I encounter them on the Core decks?
It's not that I don't understand, it's that every step has multiple choices and I don't know what the most efficient picks would be.
>it's that every step has multiple choices and I don't know what the most efficient picks would be.
Each choice is fine, it's up to you to try them out and stick with what works for you
See anon, I don't really have time to do that, since I still have a busy life outside of learning moonspeak. What Grammar/Kanji/Vocab combo are you using?
>See anon, I don't really have time to do that
You what? It's not like people telling you what they think is best is going to alleviate the burden of choice from you. There's not a royal road of which methods to use. You've GOT to decide for yourself. If you just follow what people say to do, there's just as good a chance of long-term holding yourself back/failure as you would if you just tried them out yourself. You must be misunderstanding something. For example, that guy just recommended to learn kanji from core. Well guess what? Tons of people have a miserable time doing that, and end up going to RTK and being regretful they didn't do RTK first. That COULD be you. You won't know until you try. You can't avoid the choice.
See that would be great in retrospect but I've only been learning (non-seriously) like 4 months and I was supposed to have this done like 4 days ago. I'll keep that in mind for future use though.
Let's say that I do try each possibility out, like you suggest. So how will I know if a resource is the "right" one (or "false" one) ? What if my judgement fails me? When do I have tried out enough to judge as objectively as possible? Please don't say it will just click, I'm a human, not a clicking machine.