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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://bitlasers.com/djt

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>>138682886
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>>138708011
something something hard work
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はやっ
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諦めてよ
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チンポわ日本
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>>138708011
>.gif
oh boy
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What compelling content are you reading, DJT?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0
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>>138708175
Dictionary of Japanese Grammar.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-ZzDh_0qV8

i found a japanese indies rapper who actually has autism (diagnosed), and i just want to bump him for all the autistic people who post on djt

when your posting is at its worst and youre making a fool of yourself, just know that theres people on the other side of the world with the same struggles as you and that even though youre different from everyone else, you can still find your way
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>>138708175
Tae Kim.
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So i know about them chuuni first person pronouns like 吾輩 and 拙者, but are there some 3rd person chuuni pronouns?
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>>138708255
Why's rap even considered music? Just talking shit over some beat in the background shouldn't qualify.
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>>138708175
Konosuba, it's pretty damn compelling.
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>>138708175
I don't really read Japanese anymore.

But maybe I'll go read a couple news articles. Speaking of which, does anyone know if theres some way to set the google newsstand app to get Japanese articles?
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>>138708352
That S2 though. How is it difficulty-wise? Noticed we have it in the CoR now.
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>>138708011

Nice gif
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>>138708399
Probably the easiest LN of all I've read.
That may be partly because all LNs I've read previously were narrated by a smartass MC going on convoluted long ass tangents every other sentence, here Kazuma just does straightforward banter so it's a very simple and fast read.
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>>138708255

Why is Japanese rap music so cringey to listen to?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvArYx_wHPI

I like Shing because of Luv(Sic) but I can't fool myself that this sounds good.
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i fuckin love anki
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>>138708583
Nice. I've never read a LN, so I'll probably give it a try soon. If I'm moege level, would that probably be fine, or should I at least read one or two VNs that have shared setting-related vocab first?
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>>138708175
Probably reading some 実は私は and later some anime.
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>>138708719
I remember my first day too
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>>138708792
Doesn't matter where you get the vocab first so you may go for it right away. Fantasy VNs are going to be way harder for sure.
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>>138708352
Welp time to buy more light novels.
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>>138708642
shing02 was always painfully wack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KK0wTM5gwI
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>>138708989
It's in CoR in epub, though.
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>>138709053
I prefer reading physical books though.
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>finally out of new cards
Took two months of quadrupled new cards but I got through my backlog.
I suppose I should spend time with leeches before going on a new card frenzy. Still, what a cool feeling. I could stop mining and just never do new words again. Hahahaaaa that'd be great.
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The enter button on my number pad got stuck and rapid fire went through 50 cards
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>>138709293
ctrl+z
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Any suggested kanji input dictionaries for android tablet?
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Does 蒸し上げる mean steamed? The full thing is 蒸し上げた鶏肉
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>>138709036
>japs also have the nig syndrome
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>>138708331
That isn't exactly a good example of it, Japs have zero flow for some reason, it's more similar to really oldschool rap than the more modern shit
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>>138708255
thanks bro
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>>138709407
Pic related is undoctored. Seriously. I'm sorry.
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>>138709407
Still not even half as annoying as your average western rap video though.
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>>138709157
That's nice anon, how many cards are in there?
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>>138709598
b-gyaru
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How do I read this?
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>>138709358
Seems so, from what I've seen in Google.
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>>138709648
With difficulty
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>>138709630
Close to 10,000.
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>>138709648
>>138709719
With a dictionary.
>>138709743
Nice!
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>>138709358
蒸した鶏肉: steamed chicken
蒸し上げた鶏肉: steamed chicken

I don't know the difference.
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>>138709804
Something something, Gabe Newell is fat.
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>>138709804
One is a shorter version of the other.
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>>138709804
i think the difference is 蒸した vs 蒸し上げた

if you dont understand the difference, just think of 蒸し上げた鶏肉 being needlessly more wordy
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>>138709036

That sounds terrible.
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>>138709804
I think 蒸しあげた gives the "ready-to-eat" feel.
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>>138708642
>>138709036
>>138710138
https://youtu.be/wGfguhnvECc?t=14
Oh yeah? How about this? Japanese Jazz Hip Hop at it's finest feat. Shing02
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>>138710138
whatever
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>>138710213
You realized that one of the anon you quoted explicitly talked about this song, right?
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>>138710213
thats sort of in english
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>>138709036
Absolute cancer. Dear Abe, please purge the degenerates so that Japan may prosper.
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>>138710294
Whoops
>>138710304
Dude's Japanese. As for lyrics in Japanese I like
https://youtu.be/y-hj-FEHEE8
But a lot of the songs I can see people considering cringy though
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I'm fairly certain today is the first time I've been able to effortlessly read a whole easy news article without having to look up a single word. It helps that there's not much vocabulary diversity in here, but it's still a nice little milestone. Maybe someday I can even be lower intermediate...


シリアでは、政府と、政府に反対する人たちやIS=イスラミックステートなどとの戦争が続いています。
ロシアは、テロを起こしているISなどのグループをなくすと言って、去年9月からシリアで空からの攻撃などをしてきました。
ロシアのプーチン大統領は14日、大きな仕事は終わったと言って、シリアにいるロシアの軍にシリアから出るように言いました。ロシアの軍は15日からシリアから出ていっています。ロシアは軍の飛行機を置く場所などはそのままにして、テロのグループには空からの攻撃を続けると言っています。
シリアについて、ロシアとアメリカはしばらくテロのグループ以外への攻撃はやめて話し合ってほしいと言っています。14日からはシリアの政府と、政府に反対する人たちがスイスで話し合っています。
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>>138710369
its cringy that you just link a hour long mix of pop trash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrfMAYDAnl8

this is a song showing love to one of their fallen who went to jail for smoking one joint of weed
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>>138710464
>Maybe someday I can even be lower intermediate...
I'm intermediate and I can't read any of that.
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>>138710464
Don't forget that in /djt/, most people criticize each other as a way to boost your learning. Just because you think (and /djt/ makes you think) that you're crap at Japanese doesn't mean that it's the case. What we call here a beginner (after I don't know, one year) is often times way better than a Japanese major that has been studying Japanese extensively for three years. While it's great to push yourself, it's important at times to reflect back on your progress and see how far you traveled.
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>>138710538
Fuck you mate
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>>138710554
Then I have some bad news for you.
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>>138710464
props where it is deserved but why are you reading such drivel about "world" affairs
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Am I a beginner or low-intermediate if I have the N2?
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>>138710710
>N2

できない
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>>138708175
I've been wanting to look for りゅうろうでん for a couple days now but haven't found it yet. In the meantime I downloaded 私がモテてどうすんだ and will probably read that today.
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>>138710554
Does it help if I say it's about Russia pulling it's forces out of Syria?. The grammar is pretty easy in all their articles. I actually highly recommend them as a good way to get real life reading and vocab experience.

>>138710586
Thanks for the encouragement! It is definitely interesting to look back and remember how insanely difficult these articles used to be for me, even just compared to a few months ago

>>138710654
Thanks, and I actually find them very interesting personally. I also find them much easier to read then VN and manga currently since I suck with slang and contractions.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1R47fYgomF4-gjQ1PlHAMzVDmz4brN_t7lnfvQyYvF9g/edit?pref=2&pli=1

What is it with that ***WRONG in every second line? Why are there things written only to atrociously trying to disprove them? Why does the creator of this document have to build in his cognitive mumbo-jumbo instead of giving a clear overview?
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>>138710710
your ability with the language isnt worth the money it cost to take the exam basically

but also props i guess for being able to count to ten and put the verb at the end
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>>138710710
Do you mean N2 or N4? Cause N2 is business level proficiency. N4 is toddler tier
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>>138710791
The parts before the ***WRONG are from kanjidamage
The purpose of the document is to question the credibility of kanjidamage
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>>138710873
>business level proficiency

Nice one, the JLPT doesn't even test the kind of keigo you need in business
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>>138710988
It's unrealistic to assume a 3 hour test is going to cover everything, and you're right, passing the n2 doesn't mean your fluent by any stretch of the imagination, but most businesses will require it to work from my understanding.
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>>138710873
You know, >>138710988 is right. What we usually call business level in English is >N1 in terms of JLPT honestly.
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>>138710988
monkey business

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVIsXaVjbRg
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>>138711108
They really look like spics, don't they?
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>>138711108
Actually kinda like this one, not too bad
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>>138711062
ability to get the job done and communicate effectively are worth more than a piece of paper

its just a low effort gaijin filter that only is stifling if youre dealing with academia, and in such a case, you just blow a weekend to study up and go take the test and be done with it
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>>138710988
In business, no one requires to use keigo if you are gaijin. They even admire your Japanese skill, then will start to talk business matters with you in English.
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>>138710213

Learn to read, desu senpai.
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私立 - しりつ - "private"
>私立の大学は学費が高い

市立 - しりつ - "municipal / city-"
>娘は市立の学校に通っています。

Top kek. How retarded is this? How is one supposed to know whether her daughter is going to a private or public school? Telepathy? Mind reading? Good job Japan.
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漢字なんて、お茶のこさいさいサイクロンだよ!
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>>138711594
>beginners going through Core
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伝う
伝える
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>>138711638
I have a figurine of Ayano where she does that exact same pose and she reminds me every day to do my reps.
What keeps you from abandoning your Japanese studies, anon?
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>>138711638
プッ
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>>138711726
>What keeps you from abandoning your Japanese studies, anon?
My penis.
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yo what the fuck
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>>138711726
My boner. Every time it stands up it's time to open some game from that sol-fa-soft pack and start reading.
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>>138711594
In order to avoid that misunderstanding, people use "いちりつ" for 市立、and "わたくしりつ" for 私立.
For the same reason, people use ばけがく for 化学, and かがく for 科学 or 化学. You see?
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>>138711782
>>138711806
/djt/ at its finest, lads.
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>>138711806
>mfw looking through sol-fa-soft games on VNDB
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>>138711849
No, it's stupid.
They should have made English the official language after WW2
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>>138711849
That's what I gathered from googling it yeah. Thanks. It's still a bit silly though.
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PSA for Japanese learners on djt :
When you see posts quoting you where the post doesn't use capital letters and proper punctuations, you should ignore the post.

It's an anon that is here just to be argumentative, trigger reactions from you and bait you into useless arguments.

Ignore him and let's make djt more productive.

お勉強互いに頑張りましょう /end PSA
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>>138710554
You're not intermediate
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>>138711790
I fail to see your problem?
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>>138711921

This.
His name is Jamal.
Don't reply to Jamal.
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>>138711726
Compelling content, what else? The only thing that isn't enjoyable anymore is anki, and even that isn't too bad since I can just put something to listen to / watch on the side or do them in chunks.
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>>138711921
>PSA
I suggest you return to leddit
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>>138711887
Not even lolicon, man. My main fetish is pretty underrepresented in eroge, the only people who do it right are 4H and sol-fa-soft, and I already read all of 4H works.
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>>138711594
>>138711907

For school, it's 国立 and 私立。i.e. 国立大学と私立大学.
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>>138711984
what if their private parts accidentally meet?
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>>138712032
Gotcha.
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>>138711995
>Not even lolicon, man.
Toddlercon? Body-of-small-human-fetish?
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>jamal is here right now

Time to do my reps.
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>>138711726
Due to the existence of English subtitles, I don't even bother learning japanese at first. Even though a lot of anime these days are advertisements of LN, I'm good enough to stop at the anime final episode without wanting to read more.

Until one goddamn anime made me can't stand the final episode just ending there and have to pick-up the VN. So I learned japanese again.
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>>138712066
Still not seeing the issue here?
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>>138711995
>My main fetish is pretty underrepresented in eroge
What is it? Mine is femdom where the girl actually stays dom the whole time but doesn't do pegging or much cbt (even better if the girl doesn't seem like that type of girl at all outside of her route), but it seems that it isn't incredibly common even if you include nukige.
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>>138708011
I was wondering, how many different MEGA accounts are you using to maintain the CoR? Considering the limit is 50giga per account you probably need a couple of them. Must be annoying having to switch between them and so on.
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>>138712133
What's that anime anon? Did you finally get to read the VN?
>>138712173
If I recall correctly, a lot of the stuff is uploaded by other people than the resources anon.
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>>138712066
>Westerners
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>>138712139
すごい、これは刃っぽだよ
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>>138712173
There's about 10-15 different people the accounts are spread across, but for the most part it's really just a matter of if something gets taken down some anon can re-upload it if the maintainer of that account isn't there and the new link can get added to the spreadsheet. The mega accounts aren't really actively logged into. Hell, I doubt anyone has logged into theirs after submitting their links to the CoR.

Basically, outside of the initial setup of the spreadsheet, it's basically just a group effort of people submitting links to be added.
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>>138712225
My bet on White Album.
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>>138711726
I'm oathbound to.
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>>138711921
>>138711990
遊び時間発動
尻穴気をつけろ

i dont bait anyone. its not my fault idiots like you post what they do.

俺にリプライするしかねぇ
踊れ、人形

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgPOZijy1Q8
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>>138712156
The pinnacle of it is a proper girl forced into embarrassing situations by unavoidable circumstances which isn't really covered anywhere outside of 全裸登校 series. More broad would be plain old exhibitionism, which is why I'm going through sol-fa-soft games now.

I only enjoy dom girls when their dom is nothing but a facade that in the end comes crashing under the power of dick.
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Does anyone have a link to a good Katakana Anki deck? I'd look on the website but the search engine doesn't work without nonfree javascript.
>tfw the botnet wants me to be illiterate
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>>138712447
>I only enjoy dom girls when their dom is nothing but a facade that in the end comes crashing under the power of dick.
See, that's usually what ruins it for me, which is a shame since that's what seems to be the most common. All of that setup just for it to suddenly go away.
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>>138712505
Why not simply use realkana?
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>>138712505
Just grab one from the CoR or turn on javascript.
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>>138712539
Also relies entirely on nonfree javascript.
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Can I open .epub files on Firefox so I can use rikai to read?
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>>138712505
Just make your own it takes like 2 minutes.
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>>138712587
Rename them into .zip, unpack it and open html file inside in firefox.
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>>138712505

Succumb to the botnet.
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>>138712505
Just write them down 50 times each
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>>138712582
>CoR
>google spreadsheets
Refuses to work without its nonfree javascript program.
>>138712655
N-no...
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>>138712616
Thanks, it worked.
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>>138712745
Memrise is shit but it's actually nice for Kana so go over there if you really can't get your hands on an anki deck.

http://www.memrise.com/course/270807/katakana-27/
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>>138712745
you could be writing the katakana on paper right now instead of trying to make flashcards and only have an hour or two to go before you know them all up and down front and back, forever

just do it like a real scholarly boy and dont waste time distracting yourself from doing the work that needs to be done
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>>138712745
Search the archive for ankiwebs links to a deck, but if you can't even use google spreadsheets/mega/all of the download sites the resources here are hosted on, then you can't learn Japanese.
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>>138712790
>memrise
Are you listening?
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>>138712918
Well go fuck yourself, you'll never make it anyway.
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>>138712225
>Did you finally get to read the VN?
That's the twist. In the end I just read manga I like now and don't even bother playing the VN. Reading manga and checking out djt takes all my free time.

>>138712265
Is it that common for somebody to learn Japanese after watching White Album? How did you guess this?
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>>138712902
>tfw can't learn japanese without submitting to the botnet
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>>138712980
N-no bully pls...
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人は本の中では何だってなれる

Any idea to what this is trying to get at?
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>>138713003
You can go to the store, buy some physical books and spend the next decade learning as much as people who don't afraid of javascript learn in 2 years.
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>>138712983
>How did you guess this?
I've watched pretty much everything that aired these past 5-6 years and I have a good memory. Out of all the shows I watched this was the only one worthwhile enough I thought someone would want to read the VN it was from. White Album in particularly considering the anime only adapted the first chapter or something.
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>>138712983
White Album 2 is a pretty common reason to learn Japanese, yeah. It's one of the VNs I had in mind when I started learning and I've seen multiple people mention it as their reason multiple times.
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>>138713027
you can learn to do anything from a book
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>>138713027
you can be anything in book.
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>>138713094
>>138713069
I actually finished IC in one sitting and when I finished, sun was already up and I thought, this is not healthy, and then I decide to drop it for several days.

I ended up just read manga now pretty much.
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>>138712930
Nevermind found the font thing.
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If I want to start writing, what sort of paper should I be working with? I'd like to use squared paper but no local shops sell anything like that near me so I'm leaning towards Amazon for something like that.
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>>138712983
>That's the twist. In the end I just read manga I like now and don't even bother playing the VN. Reading manga and checking out djt takes all my free time.
Kek, I can understand this.
>>138713253
Print it yourself.
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>>138713253
I got some 原稿用紙 off of amazon ages ago, was pretty cheap and you get loads of the stuff
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Need a bit of help with something, I don't understand the usage of でも in this sentence, or how it affects it.

花でも愛でるかのような口ぶりで、王女は美貌をほころばせた。

For reference, I'm playing Rance 01, and this is during a scene where he confronts Lia about abducting and torturing girls.
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>>138713253
https://www.google.fr/search?q=petit+carr%C3%A9s+papier&hl=en&biw=1920&bih=958&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT5NPrkMbLAhWIrxoKHa_hDgMQ_AUIBigB#hl=en&tbm=isch&q=papier+petit+carreaux

Something like this is best. So then you can match the jisho (etc) examples, see by yourself on the stroke order thingies here : http://jisho.org/search/%E4%BE%8B%20%23kanji
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>>138713253
buy this
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003M8HK5K/ref=s9_hps_bw_g229_i3
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>>138713358
Or something?

A way of speaking as if admiring flowers or something?

違うかも
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>>138713253
>>138713284
https://chokochoko.wordpress.com/download/
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Is there such a thing as audio for on/kunyomi for anki decks?
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>>138713552
Yeah, in vocab decks.
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>>138713497
>>138713284
My printer is currently fucked or else I would've printed some myself, I'll look in to the suggestions from other anons though.
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>>138713552
Don't learn readings, learn vocabulary that use those readings.
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>>138713653
I see, then amazon is a great place to find kanji paper.
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>>138713445
That makes sense. It makes sense, I originally thought it was something to do with a flowery style of speaking, but I couldn't figure out how it factored into it.
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>>138713866
And then I don't proofread what I'm writing and make myself redundant.
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https://www.4chan.org/japanese
>4chanは、日本の有名な「ふたばちゃんねる」の非公式姉妹サイトになることを目的に設立されました。もちろん、ふたばちゃんねるの座を乗っ取ろうというわけではありませんが・・・
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>>138713358
basically >>138713445

でも doesnt really affect anything past that because 花でも is pretty much its own complete thought and you can go from there how you like in a sentence
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>>138713358
Even
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>>138714543
僕も
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I got about 3 weeks in to Core and then was in hospital for a couple weeks so I couldn't keep doing my reps.

I'm probably better off just restarting, no?
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>>138712447
Good tastes
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>>138714617
できない
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>>138714543
>>138714588
>>138714543
>>138714588
人生は短い
やることのリストが終わらない
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In the last thread I asked for a bunch of vns to be rated and the only one no one did was Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate. Has no one here read it?
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>>138714962
It has an English translation and anyone interested in Sprite would probably head towards Aokana instead
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>>138714617
Pretty much yea.
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>>138714962
じゃアノンくんがそのVNをプレイしてみたらどう?プレイしながら you can rate the VN yourself and contribute to that rating list.
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>>138714617
Starting over is a waste of time. Just do your reps. You will have alot of failed cards, but you will remember some of them and there is no point in starting over and setting the ones you do remember back to zero.
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>>138714617
Just do your goddamn reps.
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>>138714617
No. 続けていいよ。
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>>138714962
what if youre interested in 7up
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>>138714962
Fuck off retard this isn't a rec thread
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>>138715437
It was rating difficulty actually. I presume he's compiling a reading list for people looking to get into VNs.
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>>138715487
Recs are recs not matter what the criteria, this isn't a rec thread, fuck off.
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>>138715437
In this context it's actually thread related though. Take your meds and get back to studying instead of shitting up the thread, anon.
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>>138715533
Well... it's not a rec in the first place so I don't see your point. Rating difficulty =/= recommending a game. Understand?
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>>138715542
If you don't want to follow the rules of this site, then don't post on it. Fuck off.
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Where does the vndb background girl comes from?
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>>138715053
This logic makes no sense. A person who knows Japanese won't care about English translations and who decides what vn to read by reading exactly one vn from each developer they're interested in?
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Any recommendations for good VNs to get into plotge that are still relatively comparable to the difficulty of the average moege? I'd like to read something that isn't just an H-scene loaded "which gril wud u fug" but I'm not sure I'm at the level I need to be for most of the plotge I want to read.
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>>138715675
SubaHibi
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>>138715627
https://vndb.org/d6
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>>138708175
おやすみプンプン
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>>138715220
>>138715437
>>138715597

Guys, these people are not going anywhere.

The only thing you can control is your posts and your actions. To anons that go to djt to actually study japanese, you should learn to collectively ignore these people.

みんな最近何を読んでるの。この2週間で面白い本とかVN読んだ?
僕は遮那王義経という漫画を最近読みつくした。とても面白く、日本の歴史をすくしでも興味を持つアノンにおすすめしますよ。

みんな何読んでるの。読んでるときに印象は?どんなに難しかったりするとか?
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>>138715639
My logic reflects reality mate. People learning Japanese by and large avoid translated novels.
It only takes one sprite game to get sick of them.
>>138715675
Nanairo Reincarnation
Leyline (easiest)
Innocent Bullet (hardest + not THAT good so you won't miss anything special but will still get good language practice)
Satsukoi
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>>138715675
Evenicle.
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>>138715779
どんなに難しかったりするとか?
Wait, how is this any different from the guy asking how hard KoiChoco is? Are you being ironic?
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>>138715675
Steins;gate
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>>138715779
N・H・Kにようこそ
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I know this isn't really that relevant but I want to start practising translating shit, is it normal to just pick any random untranslated doujin off of gehentai or exhentai, translate it and just upload the translated version back up on there?

I don't really know anything about the world of fan translating and I like to have a clear idea of what I'm doing before I do it, thanks, sorry for the barely relevant question
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>>138715780
Not sure what you're basing that off but most people will read what they think is good regardless of whether it's been translated, and if they like a developer of course they'll want to read more by them. Anything else is arbitrarily lowering the quality of what you read for no reason.
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>>138715841
Is it really that easy?
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>>138715829
皮肉しようっとしてるとか訳じゃないけど、ただ釣りを反応するよりdjtらしく会話を始めたいと思うだけ。

我流者って一人一人レベル違うんじゃん、たとえよつばとでも how hard is it for one person to another would be different でしょう

だから質問したの。別にそんなに答えを聞きたいよりもon topic話をし始めたいの。そういう方がよいdjtになれるかと。
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>>138715780
>>138715815
Thanks, I'll keep note of them.

>>138715841
Is it actually that easy or is it more in the upper-ish level of the other ones mentioned so far and I should probably read a couple of those first? Or are you just fuckin' with me
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>>138715986
>Not sure what you're basing that off
The many times people ask "is there any way to exclude translated games from VNDB searches"
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>>138716009
What level are you right now? 自分で試してみたら?試したあとdjtに印象をかくとか。
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>>138716009
Yeah. Sci;adv is aimed at a more general audience than the usual 18+ novels, so most of it is a cakewalk. The only problem is Okabe's chuuni mode, but it's supposed to be hard to follow anyway.
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>>138716111
I've been here for years and never once seen someone ask that.
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>>138716043
>>138715779
Not your blog or your dinner party, no one cares.
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>>138716177
Can't read every post. Plus a lot of it's on /vn/ and /jp/.
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>>138716177
Not him, but I've seen it asked a couple of times. You might've skimmed over it. Probably not enough to assume people don't want to read translated VNs though. Flyable Heart has a (machine) translation, but that doesn't stop it from being one of the most common beginner VNs here.
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>>138716191
日本語を必死に勉強している我流者アノンに向かってpostsだしね。あなたは気にせんでもいいよ。
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>>138716244
>Flyable Heart has a (machine) translation, but that doesn't stop it from being one of the most common beginner VNs here.
It was so bad it was removed from VNDB. Don't think it's too relevant. If anything Hanahira is a good example otherwise but HH was deep in DJT lore far before it got translated.
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>>138716205
>>138716244
Assuming so, the reason is likely just because translated vns get rated higher on vndb, so people assume they're getting that rating without deserving it and want to search for vns rated highly regardless. Not because they innately hate the idea of reading a VN with a translation, because that makes no sense.
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>>138716043
言いたいことがたくさんあるんだね
世界がお前の思い通りに回りません

似非評論家失せろ
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>>138716492
I generally just look everything that catches my interest up on EGS too to compare scores. Helps with cases like that.

>>138716465
Yeah, fair enough. I guess the point of my post was more that while the question does pop up, it's rare enough that you have just as many people talking about wanting to read a VN that has an English TL. Hell, a Steins;Gate's difficulty got brought up in this very thread and I see mentions of Grisaia, F/sn, and a few other "babby's first" TL'd VNs get brought up fairly often.
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>>138716492
I'd say your logic makes less sense, frankly... not only are VNDB rankings worthless to begin with, translated VNs get ranked highly because good VNs tend to get translated, that's it.
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>>138716620
The difference between Steins;Gate, Grisaia, F/SN, etc and KoiChoco is that the former are all plotge with unique aspects, whereas KoiChoco is a generic moege with literally nothing going for it except a somewhat unique art style.
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>>138716680
Hey, I'm not questioning the dude's tastes, just trying to find a plausible explanation / more just addressing the matter of people avoiding or not avoiding VNs that have TLs in general. I do agree that he should go for AoKana if he's interested in reading a Sprite game though.
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So in the past week, there was ハンターxハンター連載決定 and now Konosuba 第2期制作決定。
ハンター x ハンター 読んだ人いる?そのニュースを知っていたときどう思う?
私はうれしいけど少し緊張感がある。author-さんがいい健康になりますように。

>>138716573
すみませんでした。
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHEfZItOU9E
>those comments
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>>138716680
Have you read it? If not, fuck off.
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>>138716680
Did you play KoiChoco VN or watched the anime? I've read some review that you can learn "politics" from the anime so I assume it extends to "learn politics" for the VN as well. Is that true in your experience, or is it just moege like you said?
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>>138716789
You can't even write properly. Why are you being an attention whore, writing shit no one cares about? Just stop posting.
>>138716191
>>138716573

Did you post >>138715779 ?
I guess
>these people are not going anywhere
is you projecting that you are too fucking stupid to know when to shut up.
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>>138716870
I feel like we're getting into a Russel's Teapot situation where instead of a tiny teapot orbiting earth, it's KoiChoco being a generic moege with nothing going for it, and instead of being impossible to detect due to small size, it's just too much effort to open and read.
>>138716926
You can learn politics from KoiChoco in the same way you can learn politics from any moege that has a generic as fuck student election.
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>>138716926
any time you deal with shitty student council involves some level of "politics"
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>>138716620
Even though Grisaia and FSN are babby's first when translated to English they're far from that in Japanese.
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Is there a way to set custom colors for the rikaisama window?
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I thought Satsukoi was going to get really good after Chapter 1 ended. But then it got super boring again. At least I started to like Nao, so that is something I guess.
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>>138717043
I agree. Never said they were.
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>>138716964
>You can't even write properly. Why are you being an attention whore, writing shit no one cares about? Just stop posting.
If you wanna roast him, at least do it in Japanese.
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>>138716984
I hope you die in hell, cur. How dare you criticise this masterpiece when you haven't even the gall to read it yourself.
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>>138716811
> It was super hard to figure out my name, Stasha, in even katakana because it uses so many sounds Japanese don't have.
Jesus Christ.
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>>138717082
Are you that anon that took forever on Flyable Heart? Or are you a different anon? If you are him, step it up man, you don't want to spend even longer on that then you did on Flyable Heart, do you?
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>>138717105
Unfortunately I'm not so good that I can do it as fast as writing in English, and I don't want to waste much time telling a retard to shut up.
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>>138708011
Can a Japanese senpai please give me an accurate translation of this?

Capture2text can't detect the letters because of how shitty the quality is. Thank you
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>>138717173
you get better at it by trying

plus you only really need a handful of things to wow your friends at school so once you have those down its just a matter of mixing it up
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>>138717191
what are you gonna do for me
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>>138717191
ひふぃ
鬼鮫さんの鮫肌おちんぽぉ
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>>138717191
>The pleasure of being cummed inside
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>>138717191
Uguu, evil shark-san!! Your shark skin penis is so uguuu <3
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K guys, it has taken a little longer than I thought it would but I finally have Katakana and Hirigana down. Where do I go from here? I tried to do anki, but I don't know the kanji, and I don't know how you are supposed to learn Kanji. I looked at Genki but the layout doesn't make much sense to me, I don't know where to start there either. Please help me /a/.
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>>138717327
>Hirigana
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>>138717327
できない。
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>>138717327
K.
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>>138717159
Yes, that is me. There is no way I will spend 11 months of Satsukoi though. My goal is to finish it by May 1, so I do need to step it up.

It was compelling at the end of the chapter, then suddenly it goes back in time and became about stupid school stuff again. I know from the opening that at some point a bunch of cool stuff happens, but getting there is the problem.
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>>138717327
助けは来ない
覚悟しなビッチ
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>>138717327
Insert the blade directly between your ribs
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>>138717327
WaniKani, friend. WaniKani.
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>>138717327
これ度に同じ人でしょ
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>>138709743
holy madman
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>>138717422
10k is only halfway, though.
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>>138717327
WankiKani TextFugu is the way to go, my man.
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覚醒剤

Who wouldn't want to take them with a name like that? Pretty ironic with how anal Japan is towards drugs
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>>138717394
>11 months
May I ask at what pace you were reading when doing FH?
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>>138717446
That's what I say to your mom after she refuses to continue sliding down after just passing the first half of my dick.
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>>138717284
>>138717305
>>138717306
>>138717319
Thanks. My Japanese friends. I love Japan. I love Sharkskin and magic girl. I love Japanese language and anime.
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>>138717079
Bumping
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>>138716964
I believe people shouldn't be afraid to make mistakes.

>>138717173
勉強は間違いとつきものです。

確かにあなたが言ったとおり I can't write properly yet. だからdjtに練習してみたいと。練習すればするほどすくしでも能力が上がれると私が信じる。Moreso for beginners that barely just start learning japanese.

>>138716984
>>138717018
I see I see.
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>>138717451
actually japan only really hates weed and everything else is pretty much fine

its actually ass backwards
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>>138717449
this desu senpai
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>>138717512
Really? I thought they were super against everything other than the standard 3

That's even worse if that's the case
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>>138717394
You have some things going for you. Persistence and determination.
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>>138716573
>似非評論家
lol this autist
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>>138717602
>lol
>>>/leddit/
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>>138717639
Kappa
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>One issue with some language textbooks is that they feel like they're written for pro linguists. Why's that? Well, because they were written by pro linguists.
>TextFugu takes a very different approach.

Is this implying that linguists played no part in its creation?
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>>138717673
As proven by Wanikani, I'd guess they're more on the economics side.
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>>138717408
>>138717449
>>138717526
Thanks guys, I thought you needed to pay for textfugu. Is textfugu /a/ recommended? Even over Genki?
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>>138717753
>Is textfugu /a/ recommended? Even over Genki?
Yes, fampai. It's one of the preferred methods here.
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>>138717753
No, ironically shilling bad services to gullible beginners who didn't read the guide is the current DJT meme.
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>>138717673
This is implying that all other textbooks are bad so you should give money to them and only them and don't even try to look deeper into alternatives, since there's a chance you might find out how the passage about other textbooks reading like they're written for pros was total bullshit.
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I though that being better at Japanese would make me hate pretentious authors less, but it actually exacerbated the feeling.

Writing 有難う with kanji, other than a bunch of other needlessly formal forms, using verbal forms no sane person would use even speaking to the emperor, but in normal conversations between young people, and generally acting like they're the godsend of literature to us common mortals, while writing bottom of the barrel eroge.

Goddamnit I hate chuuni authors so damn much. In the past it made me angry because it made me unable to read, now I hate it because even though I can perfectly understand their writing, it just reeks of pretentiousness.
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About 5-15 minutes every day when I started. When I got to interesting parts in the routes I could read for a couple hours. At the end of Amane's route, my first route, I felt like I was near the end so I ended up reading for 6 hours.

I read every single day for 11 months.

>>138717594
The best thing I ever did was to commit to studying every day.
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>>138717753
TextFugu and WaniKani is the only way to fluency. It's an ancient method stemming back to the time when Jesus taught the japs moonrunes. Be sure to get lifetime subscriptions for both.
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>>138717811
thank you man. I actually did read the guide but don't understand it. Anki and all that doesn't make sense to me, I have the big anki vocab deck loaded up but I don't know the kanji, and I don't really know how kanji works. I have been looking at tae kim's guide though.
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>>138717888
Anki doesn't make sense to me either, which is why I use WaniKani's proven and easy services.
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I DID IT, MY WEEBY BRETHEREN
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>>138717866
When I think of this, paying for lifetime subscription to a language learning recourse is such a sad commitment.
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>>138717923
Yes, I didn't know how to double click on an executable and download a deck, so I spent a couple of hundred dollars on the WaniKani lifetime subscription, and after only 3 years, I now know more than 150 kanjis!
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>>138717888
Just keep going and if after a few weeks you're still having trouble with the Core deck, then either grab the Kangxi radicals deck from the CoR or consider a form of kanji study like an RTK deck (if you're interested in handwriting), one of those improved KD decks (someone else can link you one, I don't know what the best one is), that kanji deck that's in the "All in One Learning Pack" in the CoR, or even the WaniKani Anki deck (most of the problems with the service don't exist in the deck).
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How to achieve good listening practice:
Step 1: Play grindy repetitive game (runescape or vanilla wow)
Step 2: Listen to reptitive anime in the background (pokemon, precure, etc.)
Step 3: Do this for extended periods of time (10+ hours per day)
The advantage that this has over just listening is the last step. The game keeps your hands busy, and the anime keeps your mind busy, allowing you to do it together for extremely long periods of time without breaks. Just listening for 10 hours is a much harder feat to do consistently. It works especially good if your reading comprehension is above your listening (which is most people here). Unfortunately this doesn't really work for reading.
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>>138717980
Did you also use their incredible 2 years plan on how to be proficient in hirigana and katagana? It only took me 17 months to master both syllabic alphabets you know?
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>>138717853
b-b-b-but Cain is the coolest thing ever
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>>138717853
If it's toaru, then a more fitting image is Shirai Kuroko ですの。Yeah... authors do that deliberately sometimes to convey the character's personality.

>>138717860
Keep going anon. As Nadeko said, 千里の道も一歩から。
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>>138718108
Brah if I'm playing runescape I'm not gunna give a fuck about learning Japanese, that game's the shit
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>>138718115
I specifically paid extra to get into the Roumandjins course. Hirigana and Katakanana was a hindrance.
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>>138715675
Read this: https://vndb.org/v23
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>>138718151
>As Nadeko said, 千里の道も一歩から
It's from 恋愛サキュレション right?
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>>138718108
>Unfortunately this doesn't really work for reading.
VNs are good for this reason. And Japanese subbed anime (you can even texthook it if you're using a 32bit player).
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>>138718178
Not sure if you're trolling, but if you are playing runescape I would suggest training agility, it is the perfect amount of attention required to keep your hands busy constantly without thinking, and it has no requirements to get started.
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>>138717492
どんなに失敗しても勉強続けろ
早く見苦しい書き方捨てろよ

>>138717602
飛んで火に入る夏の虫
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>>138718310
I don't do anki. I can't imagine how people can still stand to memorize several thousand edict definitions.
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>>138718240
I disagree, I haven't had good results with Japanese subtitles. Does it increase comprehension of what you're currently watching? Yes, of course. But does it actually increase your listening comprehension overall? I really don't think so.
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>>138718108
Or maybe you should stop being an ADD baby and properly watch a show you actually like.
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>>138718271
I'm not playing it at the moment because it's dangerous addictive and I hardly have enough time to spend on learning Japanese without introducing other shit into my life, but I used to play a lot and I used to grind the shit out of agility, think I got to like level 70
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>>138718106
Is anki to be used alone, or should I use things such as genetickanji or kanjidamage to learn and anki as help? also, thanks for the serious reply man.
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>tfw you try your best but no one takes you seriously as a learning resource
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>>138718346
What do you do then? Just read using a text-hooker/dictionary and look up words until they stick?
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>>138718310
Not bad, my mature rate's been steadily crawling up but is still a bit iffy on some days
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>>138718310
KD deck
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>>138718355
I'd say it does as long as you're reading along and not tuning the audio out, but even then you could just only turn the subs on when you need to look something up / just not look at the subs. At the very least it'd be much more time efficient method of improving your listening comprehension than passively getting listening practice with repetitive low-difficulty shows while playing video games.
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>>138718383
It's a cruel world, fampai.
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>>138718310
今日も笑った

>>138718383
ill take you seriously. tell me something i havent already seen on djt
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>>138718382
Generally when people say to "use" kanjidamage / RTK, they usually mean using an Anki deck of it / maybe looking at the site for more mnemonics if the ones in the deck are too shit.
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>>138718291
>早く見苦しい書き方捨てろよ
おまえもな
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>>138718383
This would be sad if not for Koichi making bank from all his products. Nigga is rolling in cash.
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>>138718452
Sure, but you cannot do that for extended periods of time. I think most people overestimate how much willpower they have. Doing something for long periods of time consistently is a lot more difficult than it sounds. I'm sure everyone here has watched a 24 episode series in a day, but can you do that every single day?
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>>138718383
I take the deck seriously as a learning resource, just not the shitty slow paced site.
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>>138718383
Pretty of retards do.
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>>138718418
Yes. Furigana inserter and rikaisama let you make use of J-J dictionaries. I just look up stuff that I don't know with that and the web.

People are too reliant on both text hooking and English definitions in general. There's a need to practice reading stuff without relying on these tools since that's what you'll be doing in the future unless you're reading something written by Mareni.
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>>138718228
Yeah, I learned it from that song.
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>>138718542
*カメラにウインク*
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>>138718601
You're in no position to call other people names.
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Finally broke 4000 cards.
Only 16000 more to reach intermediate level.
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>>138718667
おめでとう!
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>>138718667
>tfw upper intermediate
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>>138718721
Wow. How long did it take you?
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>>138718580
Compelling content, friend. If you want to play video games, just play them in Japanese or something. You can do some reading too if you don't want to watch anime all day.
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>>138718611
I second this anon's post. What J-J dictionary website do you use anon? I myself use sanseido.net.
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>>138718721
>Upper intermediate
>23k vocab

Surely that's N1 level

I feel like I'm around N2 and I have just under 10k in my anki
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>>138718721
しかし、お前は何を知ってるの?
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>>138718721
>still using anki
you're a beginner
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>>138718827
N1 is intermediate though.
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How am I supposed to read this sort of shit? This character has these names for the techniques he teaches you but I'm not sure how to read them.
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>>138718346
>>138718611
I generally don't "memorize edict definitions" unless the meaning isn't something you could accurately guess from the kanji. Generally seeing it in context and knowing the kanji well enough makes vocab meanings pretty trivial, I mostly use Anki for readings and for outliers / rare kanji. Just more efficient than pure reading for me and I don't mind putting the time into it to gain that efficiency.

I think the Firefox texthooking setup that has been gaining traction here is a nice compromise on the whole texthooking situation, though. As long as you don't install Mecab, it's pretty much just raw text with a dictionary, no texthooker handholding with furigana and grammar parsing. Still requires a degree of self control to not over-use though.
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>>138718874
そうか
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>>138718799
大辞森二 and 大辞泉
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>>138718611
J-J dictionaries aren't any better than English dictionaries in terms of getting past using tools.

>>138718418
Just keep using anki. Really.

Not to say you can't make lots of progress without anki. You can even get to upper-intermediate pretty easily without anki. But when it comes to remembering those kanji you only see at most once in a VN or those vocab that you see at most once every 5 VNs, anki is key.
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>>138718909
>I think the Firefox texthooking setup that has been gaining traction here is a nice compromise on the whole texthooking situation, though.

>tfw the new hip method is basically what I was doing 5 years ago
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>>138719013
I don't know why it didn't become popular much sooner to be honest. If I knew it was possible I would've been doing it much sooner considering I was usually copying lines to Firefox to Rikai anyways since I didn't like the texthooker parser or dictionary.
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>>138718940
>大辞泉
By that do you mean the EPWING dictionary version of 大辞泉 or online website's 大辞泉?
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>>138719013
>>138719071
I remember the reason why it becomes popular now is because a kind anon wrote a custom code for html auto-scroll for another anon.
Then that one anon pays the kindness forward by letting others know about that method here on djt.

It's just the timing of when the auto-scroll custom code was available to general public I think. If the method was widely known before this particular period, it would've been popular even from then too.
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I was going to ask if the kanjidamage anki deck was good, but the link is dead on cor. Anyone know where I can get it now?
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>>138719212
Literally on the homepage of kanjidamage.
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>>138719212
Dude, did you even try the Anki shared page before posting?
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>>138718721
>>138718827
>>138718874
>>138718946
中級レベルとは自分のことをはっきり伝えるという

>>138718891
your brain automatically knows them once youve lived properly immersed in those mystical symbols for a while
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>reading よつばと
>新聞's 聞 is written like pic related
Why?
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In the DoJG I'm being shown cards that show the concept and cards that hide it, but I just want the ones that hide it. Is there a way to do that?
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>>138719260
>>138719238
sorry guys, I am new, don't know anything about anki. Just saw that the guide was linking to cor so I thought that was the only place to get anki decks or something. just ignore me senpai.
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>>138719277
I remember asking that ages ago, some helpful anon posted a page about how certain radicals can take different forms if they're handwritten, hopefully someone else will post it
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>>138719277
Writing shortcuts
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>>138718891
The only way to go about it if there's no furigana is guess. A natural reaction of a Japanese person trained by decades of reading martial arts manga would be to read that using their regular onyomi.
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>>138718799
>>138719096
Sorry, I misread what you said and listed the J-J dictionaries that I use with rikaisama. I've really preferred weblio.jp for its straightforward yet effective definitions. Other than that, stuff is usually explained on yahoo answers.

dictionary.goo.ne.jp/ also works.

>>138718909
Yes, interpreting the word from how the kanji is constructed is several times better than relying on some definition in english presented before you. If somebody uses anki, I'd just suggest using it for J-J definitions even if it's more of a hassle to memorize.

Just reading and looking up stuff has been the most efficient thing I've done. You're maximizing the time spent trying to familiarize yourself with the structure and arrangement of words in several different kinds of context. It goes much further than to learn the single meaning of a word with multiple definitions that are all entirely based on context.

I don't think that the J-J combination can exactly be 'overused', given that you'll always be looking up words in J-J once you become more familiar with the language, but there is a need (like I mentioned earlier) to practice reading without any kind of support. Not that you'll maximize your gains, because looking up words will become a slower process but this is just for the sake of practicing something you should be doing in the future.

>>138718946
Yes, but you can easily fall into the trap of relying on a dictionary that doesn't provide any real clarity to the definition of the word that you're looking up.

Like I mentioned earlier, the only way to practice reading without using tools is to actually do it. J-J isn't something you can 'overuse' (refer to my previous few paragraphs directed towards another anon) so there's no demerit to making use of them. You just need to make time to read stuff without tools eventually - It comes down to how you allocate your time, how much reading experience you have and how much you can read everyday.
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So, RTK/KD first or just Core 2k/6k/10k and radicals from the start?
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>>138719434

And the meaning would just come from the kanji themselves, right? If there's no furigana is there ever any reason to assume it's not their usual onyomi?
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>>138719399
>10
I thought a common way of writing when taking notes and such was 木き.
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>>138719528
Depends on your goals. If you want to be able to write by hand, actually studying kanji is pretty much a necessity.

If all you care about is reading your girly comics you can probably get by with just doing Core.
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>>138719451
Where can I get the dictionary files for 大辞林 for rikaisama? I mean, 大辞泉.

After I manage the dictionary, do I need to change the Rikaisama's [startup] option to Sanseido Mode or EPWING mode? Or do I just need to move up 大辞泉 file on the [dictionaries] tab?
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>>138719528
Core and radicals are enough if you're not retarded, there's nothing in RTK/KD that you can't do yourself.
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>>138719562
Yeah, this one sounds like some dual hammer overhead shit.
>If there's no furigana is there ever any reason to assume it's not their usual onyomi?
If it sounds cooler with kunyomi.
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>>138719601
It should be the cornucopia, somewhere.
Dictionaries should be set like so.
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>>138719451
Fair enough and well thought out reply, I just don't really want to make the switch to J-J for my cards yet and words that I actually need the definition for aren't incredibly common the first lookup. Especially with context. I mostly use anki for solidifying kanji readings, rare kanji, or outliers that I'm not going to see often enough in reading to help me as effectively as anki+reading. I can always go back and feed my deck to Epwing2Anki to add J-J definitions later on, though.
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>>138719269
>中級レベルとは自分のことをはっきり伝えるという
これを二三回読むまで意味が伝わらなかったからやっぱり初心者だね
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>>138719596
Oh, yeah, I don't give a shit about production. Not to mention my hand precision is fucked because of an elbow injury from when I was a kid.

>>138719629
Then that's what I'll do. I've already read for a while after TK using the Firefox/Rikaisama text-hooking. I'm just really late getting on the Anki bandwagon.
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>>138719528
As >>138719596 said, it depends on if you want to write or not as well has how hard of a time you're having with distinguishing similar looking kanji. If a radicals deck isn't enough for you, then consider individual kanji study, yeah. Plus most forms of kanji study include a keyword that can help with guessing vocab and some decks have example vocab or readings on them.
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>>138719562
Are you the anon that post that 奥義 screenshot? Yeah next to 奥義 you just read them all in 音読み "usually". There might be exceptions though.

For example if the 奥義 has 熟字訓 then it's not 音読み. An example, if the 奥義 has 五月雨 it's not read "ゴーガツーウ" it's read さみだれ.

Remember there are exceptions to general rules in japanese language.
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>>138719774
そう思えばそうなる
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>>138719451
> J-J isn't something you can 'overuse'
I disagree. You can still look up words without trying to memorize them with a J-J dictionary. You can still look up words that you could have figured out from context, or could have remembered with a couple seconds thoughts, even if you are using a J-J dictionary.

You're right that you will always need to use some sort of dictionary occasionally, but again you could just as well use EDICT at that point too. And of course, switch to J-J or google for those words that EDICT fails on
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>>138719756
Really?? Nice, I'm going to look for it now. So it's an EPWING file then right? Looking from the CATALOGS file naming.
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>>138719975
>You can still look up words without trying to memorize them with a J-J dictionary.
Depending on the situation that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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>>138719894
>>138719697

I am. Thank you. I'll actually take a shot at reading them from now on rather than skipping over them out of confusion.
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K, what are some good radicals decks for anki then?

I think I am getting this stuff down now.
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>>138720297
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osglun3U0Fs

start with the first 13 secs of this
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>>138720297
>>>/guide/
>>>/resources/
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Demon Souls in Japanese has been shockingly easy so far. The item descriptions aren't that tough which surprised me a lot. The hardest part is admittedly keeping up with the subtitles - everything is spoken in English, even the character dialogue, which was a surprise, I thought it was just the opening movie. But no, Japanese subtitles and English narration for everything. Really really frickin' weird.

Oh yeah, and I'm confused as to what 楔 means in 楔の神殿 (english name: The Nexus). Haven't seen 楔 enough while reading I guess. I looked it up but best I could think of is a wedge-shaped temple which fits with the shape (pic related). Weird title though.

This is probably the first time I've opened a Medieval-esque RPG and not been BTFO. Feels good. Practice pays off.
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>>138720297
Doesn't matter, they're all have the same stuff.
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>>138720440
楔 is referring more to the lynchpin definition hence why its called nexus in english
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So as I'm reading NHK, I've realized that Japanese mixes up past and present tenses in one paragraph quite often. Does somebody has more information on this? Is it for style effect?
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>>138720090
Just read them all in 音読み and don't think about right or wrong. Then one day you will eventually know the special readings by accident yourself the more you read japanese materials.

If you found a technique with 乙女, you don't read them "オツ.ジョ" you read them おとめ。
This 風邪 is かぜ, it's not ””フウ.ジャ”. You'll learn them slowly. I don't know anything about 熟字訓 and 義訓 either, but you will encounter these accidentally by reading.

Just read your game 技 with 音読み and don't worry about it.


>>138716964
>>138717173
You see the above discussion anon? That is what we need to foster on djt. Anons complained that djt is off-topics and attracts people originally from outside 4chan, and even unwelcoming to original /a/ residents >>>/qa/469090

There is a truth in what those anons are saying that on djt lately there tend to be long series of posts about needless arguments.

We need to go back to djt original roots. Learn japanese, talk about anime related stuffs, and ignore the few posters that deliberately posts to trigger our reactions.

みんな、お勉強頑張ろう。
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>>138720650
You being an attention whoring piece of shit doesn't help anything.
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How do you know if you've learned enough words to start basic reading? Should I just throw myself into it and keep a dictionary handy?
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>>138720725
We usually draw the line at 10k words
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alright, last one, how do you get sound out of the core 2k/6k deck? it says it is included but it doesn't play for me?
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>>138720759
So after fully completing the anki deck?
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Word of the day : 不純異性交遊
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>>138720809
Better complete 2 whole anki decks to be sure. Then you can try yotsuba and if it's still hard do a third one.
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>>138720650
またくだらないゴミコメ
うぜぇんだよ
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>>138720789
nvm I got it.
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>>138720599
>hence why its called nexus in english
I wouldn't be so hasty. Lots of the English speech differs from the Japanese in significant ways.
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>>138720700
Let's try to make djt a better place then.

>>138720629
Your question is beyond the scope of what I know about japanese language so I can't really offer you explanations more than what I'm going to write below.

Japanese verbs does not include tense; They do not indicate the absolute time of the action or state. Instead, they are marked for aspect. Whereas tense says "when" something happens in time, aspect says "how" it happens relative to time- whether it is ongoing, completed, repeated, etc.

Aspects also exist in English, for example, in the distinction between continous and simple verbs. Japanese has two aspects: perfect and imperfect. These terms generally stand for completed vs. ongoing or effective states.

On the other hand, tense in japanese is only understood from context, not from the forms of the verbs themselves.

That's a copy-paste explanation I got from a pdf I accidentally got from some blogs that refer to some website (the pdf source). But I can't remember the website name now.

Try googling it, I hope you can find the website and get better explanations for your question.
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>>138720947
yeah but doesnt that make perfect sense in the game as opposed to wedge temple
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>>138721013
>as opposed to wedge temple
I mean... did you see the image? It is a wedge shape.
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>>138721038
i guess it comes down to which viewpoint is more subjective, interpreting the image or interpreting what the place is within the context of the game

it could also be both i guess
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>>138720986
Thanks a bunch, I'll try to look more into it.
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>>138721234
It's from this website https://gumroad.com/l/StepZero
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>>138721284
Thanks anon.
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ゐゑ。
ヰヱ。
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>>138720986
past and present/future tense is definitely a thing however present/future tense are basically the same and context is required to understand the difference generally

it doesnt work the same in english with all the consistency rules you have to follow but tense is still a thing that is expressed nonetheless
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Examples of Demons Souls translation liberties
>本当かい!?
>You're a saint!
>あんたはいい人だ、生きて戻ってきてくれ
>You've got a heart of gold, don't let them take it from you.
>inb4 "liberal translations are fine"
I know, I just find it interesting.
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>>138721930
That's not okay.
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>>138721930
Yeah, I'm playing Dark Souls right now and it has this kind of shit everywhere too. It's interesting how the voices and subs don't match up.
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>>138721930
now youve done it

brace for anki warrior backlash
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>>138721988
Two things to keep in mind (things I'm keeping in mind anyway)
1 - The English voiceover was of course included in the game's original release, so just maybe Miyazaki approved of the differences. I have no idea if he knows English though, can't find anything on google.
2 - "You've got a heart of gold" is a VERY famous and popular line from the series, and no doubt is far more popular (and made people like the character) more than "You're a good person" would have.
>>138722018
How are you playing DaS1 in Japanese? I wanted to download it from PSN too, was pretty upset to learn that it's disc-only and I'd have to import all the way from Japan. If I could get it for PC that'd be nice but steam buttfucks anyone trying to get around region lock as far as I'm aware.
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I'm using TA with ITH, I found a bundle that contains everything I need including the essential mecab and jparser all set up for me. As I have learned Japanese mostly from anime, I can usually understand what I'm reading if I use google translate's text to speech function. However to do this, I must manually copy the text and press a button. Is there anyway to make this process automatic instead?
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>>138722149
I bought it on ebay, there's one up right now for a pretty good price if I'm not mistaken. A Japanese PC DS1 version doesn't exist as far as I know.
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>>138722192
>As I have learned Japanese mostly from anime
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>>138722149
its not what you say its how you say it after all

you dont want to translate lines in a boring literal way when theyre not said in a boring literal way
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>>138722149
Can you get the Japanese Demon's Souls from PSN? Do you just need a Japanese account?
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>>138722255
I can understand commonly used phrases but I completely miss the subtle parts of Japanese such as the grammar. How is this unreasonable?
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>>138722236
>A Japanese PC DS1 version doesn't exist as far as I know.
That's insane.

I've never used ebay, I'll see what's going on there. I was nervous just buying a PSN card from a well known website, not sure if I'm brave enough to risk ebay.
>>138722284
Yeah. 100% free and no problems at all, just make a user as normal and when signing up to PSN, put your location to Japanese. Look up a guide so you know how to put a fake address (don't worry about it, there's no punishment for it).

You can get Demons Souls and Dark Souls 2, but not DaS1.
>>138722274
Of course. Like I said, I know liberal translations are fine. I would take Heart of Gold over "you're a good person" any day.
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>>138722312
you understand commonly used phrases in anime

the world is much bigger than you might think
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>>138717934
Make sure you sing the Christmas song from ping pong you fucking faggot
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This is getting pretty dark.

 ……そうだ、あした日本刀買ってこよう。そしてハラキリしよう。これ以上恥をさらすかわりに、内臓をさらして武士の証《あかし》を立てよう。そうだそうしよう。……だけど日本刀って、どこに売ってるんだろう。
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>>138722360
Sure. If it's anime.

There's no way I'm going to expect to understand high level literature in Japan just because I've watched some anime.

Discussing my lack of experience is fine, but is there anyway to set up automatic text-to-speech?
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>>138722387
it actually sounds very edgy teen to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8e6vEDEUkE
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>>138722149
The English dialogue in souls games is peculiar because it wasn't a localization.
The game is voiced in English to give it that western fantasy flavor that feels mysterious to Japs, most of the English dialogue was written in a way to make it harder for the average Japanese to understand.
They can't go and write those lines straight since that would sound like easily recognizable textbook English so they had to go with more flowery phrasing for them.
I doubt it's Miyazaki himself but they sure have some internal English writers.
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>>138722350
Yeah, I don't really understand why that's the case. DS2 even has the option to change to Japanese, but nothing happens.
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>>138722471
Well, I guess that's how some ひきこもり reflect on their life?
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>>138722442
if there is i would advise against it. its practically the same as listening to sam or samantha and thats not how real people talk
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>>138722442
>I understand it!
>but only some of it!
>okay, I don't actually understand it

FUCKING KEK

Look at that backpedaling, get the fuck out weeb.
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>>138712260
There are more than 50 accounts.
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>>138718310
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>>138722489
If what you say is true, honestly that worked out really freaking well for them. The Japanese text is really bland, even to me.

>ありがとう、助かった
>My thanks for your brave rescue.
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>>138722529
>I speak conversational Japanese!

Read a book.
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>>138722442
A better way to go about it is to forget about text to speech and learn to fucking read.
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>>138722604
>A better way to go about it is to forget about text to speech and learn to fucking read.

Yes, that's what I'm using translation aggregatior for. I just want to use text to speech to supplement it so the process goes by faster.
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>>138722350
>100% free and no problems at all
It says DeS is 3292円, though.
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>>138722604
>>138722549
>>138722442

http://joeglens.com/translation-assistant-tool/
http://devocalypse.com/osd/#section_installation

Learn to google dumbfuck. A few minutes of google would be more productive than trying to ask for help in the DJT thread. I don't usually spoonfeed but this is a special case. Now go and spend your time more wisely learning japanese.
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>>138722566
Yep, and those accounts are spread across 10-15 people and when the new CoR was being put back together, those people added their links. Beyond that there isn't really any management to do. If a link gets taken down that person can re-upload it or another anon who has it can re-upload it and then it gets re-added.
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>>138722655
Except it won't. Listening skills =/= Reading skills, if anything, it's making matter worse because you don't have to get used to some kanji or basic phrases while reading, which will then hinder your reading speed. Stop being an ass, if you want sound, read a VN.
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>>138722706
I meant you can make the account free, sorry if that was misleading. I clarified that because it's hard as fuck to access Japanese PSN on Vita, they try real hard to stop you.
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>>138722790
>>138722604

I guess you have a point. I'll abandon it and just stick to text only instead.
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>>138722489
thats actually cool

turns out when it comes to that series gaijins really did win

what with all the complaints about ds2 being too easy to cater to gaijins and whatnot, maybe some of the complaints were warranted
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>>138722706
That's a lot for an old game, what the hell.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-MN4sqNWL0
is this just a dubbed Hitler's speech or what?
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>>138722706
I got DS1 for about 1900-1950円 from ebay, I guess I'll just buy Demon's Souls that way too.
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>>138722923
I know right?
It's like perpetually $20 with a 50% off sale on English PSN. On Japanese it's only %30, which is actually good because then I could buy a $3,000 yen card and still buy it. Now I have a couple hundred yen left over and no clue what to buy.
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>>138722909
Sure reeks of /v/ in here.
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>>138723141
you fuckin reek bitch

take a shower
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>>138722977
Hitler actually spoke fluent Japanese.
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>>138723225
Doubt.
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>>138723225
A weeb ahead of his times.

A true revolutionary in so many ways.
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>>138723225
he also had a very large penis and not a micro

ヒトラーのちんこの味はどうだったかな
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>>138723339
Yes, he was already out there cosplaying long before it became popular.
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Anyone use anon core 5k?
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Were the 仮名達「ゐ」「ゑ」「を」at some point pronounced with a 'w' sound? Or they are written with a w only because of romaji?
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>>138723443
Yes, they were, but the w- morphed into the simple syllable one and they weren't used anymore aside from names or slogan. Sometimes they're used for shop names too.
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>>138723443
yes, that was the idea at the time
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>>138723443
They used to use a w sound

を still does in conservative accents like some singing
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did you know there are some anti-feminists out there who cite the change as a major blow to the manhood of japanese at its core
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>>138722596
>The Japanese text is really bland
I think it's bland for the same reason: if you give the subs ye olde flavor in Japanese characters will sound like samurai and shit, if you make Japanese phrases ornate they will read like Japanese poetry, both will kill the medieval Europe feel.
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How do I add audio to vocab decks? It doesn't seem to be in the guide.
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>>138723621
what chance, anon san
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>>138723762
Wouldn't that info be in the anki manual
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>>138723621
kek
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>>138723718
Heavy keigo does a good job of giving a medieval knight feel in the many things that do that type of setting.

And there's stuff that works for the peasants and such too.
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>>138723762
awestome tts addon
or rikaisama
if you already have the sound files, read the manual
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Damn. My reading speed is slow, like, sluggishly slow. Does this mean I should read something less challenging or should I somehow manage to read faster by brute forcing this? I'm playing a h-rpg from dlsite by the way.
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>>138723865
Read something that lets you use a text hooker.
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>>138723865
Just read more dude
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>>138723865
Read more.
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>>138723865
Not necessarily something less challenging, I think you should just read more to get more used to the flow of the language and the words themselves.
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>>138723865
絵本読んで
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>>138723865
Are there really people this retarded? I know EOPs can be absolute morons, but don't they at least remember struggling to read as children? I swear Americans have some kind of brain damage.
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>>138715981
I'd think so. Maybe post on /h/ as well to see if people think it sounds good.
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>>138722192
Link to the bundle please. About your question, somebody on the CoR feedback some time ago I think, not sure, have a solution you might need.

Look for the feedback that has the word "greeting earthlings" on it. There's a link there that discuss TTS.
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>>138723983
Struggle to read? No way, Americans don't read at all if I recall correctly.
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>>138723983
haha yeah dude too much mcdonalds hamburgs

"xd"
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>>138723865
Reading is going to suck in the beginning. Just keep pushing on, anon.
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>わかりました
>so be it
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>>138724037
https://amaenboda.wordpress.com/2012/03/26/an-aero-gamers-guide-to-using-atlas/3/# Bundle Download

Atlas isn't working right now because it's outdated. I don't think you'll need it anyways unless you want horrible machine translations.
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>>138724066
Sure sounds like it considering the way you write.
Take care of your diabetes.
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>>138724205
バカがわかりました
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>>138724213
>Chatting with Jamal
It's like you want him to post 50 times per thread.
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We need to create our own Japanese with ゐ|ヰ and ゑ|ヱ!
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>>138724213
im actually a 美少年 irl
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>>138724310
jamal is like the Batman of djt thread isn't he.
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>>138724310
ill chat with the bad chatsters like you too

>>138724332
japanese for manly boys who wont let the girls take away our cool hiragana crew
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>>138724332
I honestly don't know if that would make Japanese easier or harder.
There would be less homophones, but with that you gotta remember more pronunciations.
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>>138724947
Look harder.
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>>138724927
Virtually everyone already knows these characters. I don't think adding 4 kana will really make a difference.
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>>138724927
It wouldn't make any difference. You're learning 3000+ symbols anyway, what 4 more are going to do?
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Could someone help me with this sentence:
 しかし俺は死なない。なぜならば、今日は天気がいいからだ。
Why is there a だ at the end? Can you do it when you already have から? Is that a way to look more 'manly'.

>>138725123
He's obviously talking about pronouncing them.
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>>138725232
6,000+*
http://pastebin.com/nfniafTA
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>>138725123
Knowing the kana wouldn't be the problem.
It would be the fact that there would be hundreds of new/existing words that would now use those kana that you'd need to learn.

But since that would reduce the amount of homophones in the language it might, in the long run, make the language easier.
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Approximately where would Tsukihime be on this scale?
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>>138725341
When you read some pre-reform text when these kanas were still in use, you see that a lot of common words actually use those kana and it would be hell (even for Japanese) to get back to ゑゐを types of kana.
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>>138725368
Guessing based on nasu: between 3 and 4
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>>138725297
He's saying the weather has a nice body, dude. Lrn2read
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>>138725297
the だ is to let you know hes being real assertive about the fact that he cant die because its a nice day today

yes if youre ending your sentence on 天気がいいから you should put だ to show you have testicles about your claim
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>>138725299
Is that all of them?
Would be cool if there was a list with 1 word for each of those kanji.
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>>138725427
What makes his stuff harder in particular? Rare vocab?
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>>138725433
kek
>>138725437
Okay, that's what I guessed but since it's the first time I actually saw it, I thought I would ask.
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>>138725469
B-grade scifi/specfic worldbuilding plus occasional grammatical gymnastics. But again it's a total guess.
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>>138725443
>Is that all of them?
It's about 1,000 Japanese novels parsed. Many from Aozora Bunko which hosts old timey literature.
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>>138725368
i dont like that scale because i feel it is missing 6-10

tukihime isnt written nearly as well as majikoi so do with that whatever
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>>138725478
だ is the first thing anybody learned. You are not asking or confused with なぜならば yet you are asking about だ.
You are just trolling and you know it.
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>>138725540
>specfic
This is not a typo btw. "Speculative fiction"
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>>138725558
Nice bait, but I'll take it anyway. だ doesn't usually come when there's already a state-of-being implied, such as an い-adjective like いい for instance.
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>>138725469
Vocab rarely makes stuff harder if you can texthook. Nasu's writing is already complicated, unlike all the fairly straightforward Fate stuff TH deals a lot with people going insane and unreliable narration, which makes things even harder to grasp.

>>138725552
I bet a third of those is only used in proper names.
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>>138725553
I didn't make the scale so I can't really say anything about that. We can make a new one though.
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>>138725558
people learn in such a weird way because of flashcards and whatnot i dont make any assumptions and preemptively call people trolls except this guy >>138720297
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Question about some semantics in part of FSN. English is a gloss of my understanding of the lines.

Tohsaka;
>「あら、肺活量では美綴さんに負けたわよ、わたし。
Ah, I lost to you in lung capacity.
>あと体重も美綴さんのが上だったけど」
But then you beat me in weight, too."
Mitsudzuri:
>「あはははは!やったー、重さで3キロ上回ったー!」
Ahahaha! I did it, I'm three kilos heavier than you!
>「・・・・・・って体重で勝っても嬉しくないってのよこのタヌキ!」
...Look, it's not like I'm happy to go on to win in weight, you fox!

My question is here:
>って体重で勝っても

Is this

{{...}(って)体重で勝}(って)も

with the も pulling back on

>あと体重も

? Or did I misunderstand it?
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>>138725673
So would it be a better idea to read Fate first if it's a little easier and straightforward to get used to his writing style?
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>>138725553
If that scale was grading quality of writing nitroplus stuff wouldn't be on top.
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>>138725723
Try Mahoyo or DDD, they're closer to TH in tone and subject matter, wouldn't bore you to death and wont take you several years to read through.
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>>138725737
what i mean is i think you have to have a better understanding of japanese in general to get the most out of majikoi compared to tsukihime

words are just words unless you can understand why they are there
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>>138725703
>Or did I misunderstand it?
Ya
勝っても, the っても means "even if", so, "even if you win". It's in the DOJG I believe.
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