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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://bitlasers.com/djt

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
I work hard and I have a standard of excellence - and I expect everyone at the Interior Department to meet that same standard. I delegate a lot. I might appear to be doing a lot of different things, but there's a strong team helping me. I believe we're going to have the strongest team of any agency in the Obama administration.
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What is this saying?

"In the several days after writing this story, I truly felt that the bus which comes 3 times a day only, ignored me"

??
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>>138682921
Wow, nasty.
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>>138682921
ウワアアアアアアア
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>decide to take a Japanese class at local community college since its cheap
>genuinely good class and getting good speaking practice and writing practice
>completely normal people in it besides the group of loud outspoken "otaku" faggots
Pretty lucky that its one of their top classes and they are recognized for it
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>>138683170
We all know why they the "normal people" are really in the class though and they're lying if they disagree.
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Today I reviewed 88 cards and learned 20.

If I increase today's review limit, will there be cards I learned today? Because I don't want that. I want to review cards that were already scheduled anyway.
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>>138683228
It'll take you a decade to reach fluency at that rate. You need to start adding more new cards.
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最近はお弁当作りも大変です
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DifMmNPixFI
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>>138683222
by normal i mean socially acceptable
they dress like not fucking idiots, can speak without freaking out and seem to be at least social in this setting
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>>138683314
Whatever, onii-chan. Just teach me the ANKIs.
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>>138683411
Max it out.
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Rare kanji for all you ぼくはまれのかんじをだいすきだわうぐう〜者s
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>>138683456
Are you retarded? Why would I have a 88 cap? My cap has been removed, but I want to add a few extras today, because I've got the time to.

But I don't want to review "Learning" cards that were reviewed today, because that would artificially increase their interval.
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retard who used wanikani here

Where's the input method mentioned here? >>138662944

I'm still only getting the Again / Good / Easy buttons and I'd like some way to enter the text and the program to tell me if I'm right or not.
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>>138683325
つくってみたいな
これはプロかな。まねできないね
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY96nWx2sAs
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>>138683533
You're supposed to do it by hand. You can also program Anki to let you input stuff, but I don't know how since I never found a use for it.
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>>138683525
Custom study, increase today's new card limit.
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>>138683616
That's not what he wants. He wants to review old cards without having the new ones he learned today.
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>>138683616
You win, I'll read ANKI's documentation myself.
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The old thread died before anybody answered.

Can anybody suggest study material or books for Kanji-ken level 2?
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>>138683525
If you don't want to do more new cards that day, then just use the extra time to read or do grammar. It's a more productive use of your time and doing reviews on days they're not scheduled for can do more harm than good.
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Can people who have read them please rate the following VNs' difficulty:
Clannad
Tonakoi
Stein's Gate
Air
Daitoshokan
Koi to Senkyo to Chocolate
Aiyoku no Eustia
Nanairo Reincarnation

thanks
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>>138683727
If this chart is an accurate scale, I feel like we should integrate it into the reading list.
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>>138683727
Tonakoi is a 2, maybe even a bit lower. Probably the easiest one on your list.
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>>138683727
I talked with an anon two threads ago about Tonakoi and he told me it was a rather easy moege apart from the grandmother. I guess something around 2.
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If I don't want to download manga from mangafox, and manga chapters I'm looking for are not on batoto, what websites do anons here recommends?

FYI first, I currently live in a country where google is limited to domestic searches and government censorship are both rampant and arbitrary. Imgur is blocked, tmz is blocked, and mangafox, mangapanda are also blocked.

The idiot thing about the censorship is that while mangafox.com front page is blocked, mangafox.com/manga/manga-name isn't.

So if I know what I already know, then everything is fine. If I don't, then I can't search for it.

Now /blog. What websites do anons here recommend for reading manga if I don't want to use Mangafox that is not Batoto?
For example Terra for Mars chapters are missing from Batoto.
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>>138683808
>>138683818
Oh yeah I forgot about the grandma. Still around 2 though. Pretty standard moege difficulty.

>>138683903
Are mega/the CoR and nyaa blocked?
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So I used the text analyzer to parse NHK. It has 1662 different kanji with 齢 the last in the list and (un)surprisingly 俺 coming before every other kanji. It contains (only) 7102 different words.
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>>138683903
>mangafox
You mean english manga? This is the japanese thread though.
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>>138683339
Lucky. I'm in the 400 level class at my uni with only 5 other people, 3 of whom can barely even speak normally without fucking up, much less speak any Japanese out loud. Some of them still struggle to read kana at any speed and it takes nearly half the class period if they get called on to read a passage. Teacher is just too nice and makes the class too easy so these people never got weeded out.
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>>138684043
Now that's what I call fast food.
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>>138684163
Why are you even taking these classes in the first place?
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>>138684163
>MFW that's my academic career majoring in Japanese
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>>138684001
> (only) 7102 different words
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>>138684191
Yeah, at this point I'm not getting much out of it, just doing one grammar point a class period out of the textbook. I'm getting a minor though and looking at doing exchange in Japan sometime so I have to go through it. Not that big of a deal to have to sit in there with some autists
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>>138684309
I guess if it's for a minor.
>>138684263
Yeah, it's really not that much.
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>>138684251
Heh, yeah, at least my lower level classes had some alright people but everyone dropped out pretty quickly.
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>>138684163
to be fair im taking one of the entry level classes
like 20 people dropped so were down to ~15
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http://pastebin.com/nfniafTA
Ultimate kanji list. Buckle up, you need 6k to be fluent :o)
>>138683727
Daitoshokan is hard to rate because the actual text isn't too hard (3 maybe?) but getting the jokes is not something a beginner will find much success in so I don't think anyone who is concerned about the "difficulty" of texts should read it.
Air is similar. 3-4 due to a lot of colloquial language.
Aiyoku no Eusta is 3 due to simple grammar, maybe 4ish due to high vocab/kanji level.
Nanairo Reincarnation is 3. Lots of normal easy text but plenty of hard chunks.
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What could be the problem with the word report not working in the text analyzer? Do I have to install something? The kanji report works just fine.
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>>138682886
Why aren't you learning Russian?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNLPXzlz6-I
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I've now tried the first volume of Bakemonogatari to see how it would differ from NHK, and oh boy.
1972 kanji, the first one being 原 (that comes from Senjougahara, the main girl's name). Araragi also uses 僕 quite a lot. As for the actual vocabulary, NisiOisiN uses 9772 unique words with the last on the list used being 齷齪.
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im having some serious trouble with memorizing the pronunciation of kanji. i think i might just be retarded but i cant seem to remember how to say them

i see the kanji, i know what it means but the pronunciation fucks me any tips on how to not suck?
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>>138683727
clannad: ez
stans gate: ez except for maybe one or 2 words
air: not as ez as you might think
nanarin: ez
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>>138684503
What about Leyline?
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>>138684777
For me personally, it's been easiest to memorize the pronunciations of words and associate those words with kanji. After seeing the same kanji enough times in different words, and knowing those specific words, it becomes easier to grasp the sound a kanji is supposed to make.

That might just be me, though.
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>>138683903
>>138684043
Sorry anons, I forgot to wrote these on my first post.

I am asking for English language manga sites on djt because of 2 things. One is that popular series sources are usually leaked raws so the scanlations hit the internet before the japanese magazine street date. So if I want to read early, I have to read the English scanlations because magazine raws are available at street date. English scanlations are always quicker.

The other reason is that manga websites have "popular manga chapters" and "recent release updates" features so I can discover new serials I'm not currently aware of.

As to why I don't just use Mangafox, I think the government got wiser specifically to Mangafox and it a lot of times it takes a long time to load chapter's pages. So I want to go to it's competitors.

Bato.to doesn't have some popular serials, for example, Terra for Mars.

Any websites recommend?

There is a few domestic manga websites that translates highly popular manga to local language, but it's collection is very scarce. If you are wondering why local manga websites aren't blocked, I guess they pay the Communication Ministry?

>>138683936
I've had instances of not being able to access Nocozazal but most of the time I can access it. I can't find newest chapters there though.

Nyaa is good for released volumes and for chapters it's good for highly popular serials. For older series that aren't as popular, it's highly dependent on seeders so English manga sites is where it's at for me, it's just that I can't use Mangafox any longer due to censorship. I can't even open the mangafox.me/directory/ any more. I can still open individual pages like mangafox.me/manga/bleach/ but then if I clicked say, the hyperlink to chapter 143, it doesn't load.

I need to circumvent it with copy link address, and copy paste ch. 143's bleach/v17/c143/1.html to be able to open it.

The government just kill Mangafox for me so I'm looking for it's competitors other than Bato.to
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>>138684001
>parse VN I'm learning Japanese for
>28k words and 2700 kanji
出来無い.
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>>138684967
Which one is it?
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>>138684856
Leyline is honestly a 2, if there were more "1" examples I'd probably give it a 1.5. Super easy. Read it right after fureraba and it was easier.
>>138684967
What VN?
Remember to "ignore" kanji that only appear once as not knowing them will not significantly impact your reading experience
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>>138684926
use nyaa or baka
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>>138685002
>>138684992
https://vndb.org/v1141
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>>138685002
>Read it right after fureraba and it was easier.
Oh wow, what? It's THAT easy? I thought people were exaggerating when they said it was easy. I'll definitely have to give it a try next then. Is the whole trilogy that easy?
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>>138685040
Shit anon. Yeah. That's one of the hardest VNs.
>>138685043
I didn't read the 2nd or 3rd but people say it gets harder.
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>>138685079
Ahh, well damn.

Can anyone who has read the whole Leyline trilogy comment on how big the difficulty increase is?
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>>138685040
Quality writing.
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I'm thinking about starting some easy VNs but I've never played one in Japanese before. What's the best/fastest way to look up kanji I don't know? I was using kanjitomo to read some manga and LNs but it wouldn't work for any of the VNs I tried.
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>>138685183
Texthookers dawg whatre you doing
>>138685155
It's really good man
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>>138685183
http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk
Rikaisama. Get the J - E epwing dictionary off of the CoR as well.
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>>138685155
the meme picture very impressive
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>>138685223
It's the most eye catching one from VNDB. It's actually not a photoshop.
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>>138685213
turn off colors
turn off furigana
turn off flyable heart

i think thats everything
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>>138685155
>Shit! Dick in ya mouth!
What are those kanji and what is this expression trying to convey?

>>138685183
http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk
Or chii-trans (with the grammar highlighting and furigana turned off obviously), but the pastebin setup is better in my opinion. You can get EPWING dictionaries from the CoR if you don't like the default Rikaisama dictionary.
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Okay, now I tried parsing through Harry Potter, 1-7. Please note that the txt file of the seventh version is not complete. Also, funnily enough, the sixth is called '謎のプリンス'. The Harry Potter in series only has 2670 kanji, with only 2068 kanji appearing more than four times. In regard to vocabulary, it's quite big with 27497 words, while 19066 appeared more than once, and 11482 words appeared five times or more.
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>>138685257
That image is over a year old, but anyway, you can't turn colours off without it being inconvenient as far as I know.
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>>138685254
i read oretuba it was actually really cool to me when i was 15
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>>138685155
I'm confused, is the girl in the cat costume aggressively demanding that the man put the dick in her mouth with poor, broken english, or is he making a humble request?
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>>138685213
>>138685218
>>138685272
ありがとう、名無しさんたち!
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>>138685297
some anon recently posted a script that will automatically copy the text into an html. then you can use rikaisama which is way better than the built in parser of chiitrans.
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>>138685297
That's why you want to use the text-hooking method linked here. >>138685218
No colors or furigana, just raw text for use with Rikaisama.
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>>138684872
i hope it ends up like that for me later. right now im only on the numbers since im not focusing on anki until i finish grammar. whats messing me up is the 2 different ways to say each number. i always remember one and absolutely cannot get the other
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ごにょごにょはほどほどにね。おにいちゃん
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>>138685389
>>138685376
That's pretty inconvenient for me since I close my browser while reading, and a simple transparent black window I like a lot more than all that. Colors aren't even a big deal anyway since I don't read straight from the texthooker anyway.
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>>138685389
Nobody just uses translation aggregator anymore?
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>>138685661
Can't mine from TA, or mouse over as far as I know.
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>>138685126
If you read the whole trilogy in order your japanese level will increase as you read it to be able to read the later parts.
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>>138685679
sure you can, you can copy from it just fine and hover for definitions.
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how hard is utawarerumono
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>>138685817
Ok, I didn't know that.
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Im gonna do it
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>>138685473
I don't know what kind of setup you have, but I personally find the browser method far more convenient. I have the VN open fullscreen on one monitor, and a single browser window open showing me the text on the other.

Rikai has EPWING support, and I can also select and Google text with 1 click if simple dictionary definitions aren't helping me (invaluable for set phrases and such).
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>>138682886
Has anyone been able to find the JP .cia or .3ds of とびだせ どうぶつの森 ? I feel like playing it but have had zero luck finding the download and don't have a JP 3ds / want to import the cart
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>>138685817
>>138685661
I coped from the texthooker to my browser to mine anyways and sometimes found myself copying to browser and using Rikai instead of the texthooker because a fair amount of the time it would parse incorrectly or Rikai has expressions in the dictionary that the texthooker doesn't, so that setup saves me multiple steps. I feel like it's a better setup overall anyways. Only features it lacks is syntax highlighting and furigana, but you shouldn't be using either of those anyways outside of maybe the first section of your first VN as training wheels.
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>>138685914
pretty good senpai
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>>138684777
That's normal. Specially when those fucking hou/jou/shou/chou/kyou overlap.

There is no way out, if you know the meaning but not the pronunciation, review again (supposing you're using ANKI).
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How would I go about saying "If that makes you angry, ..."

それに怒れば maybe?
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>>138685916
>I don't know what kind of setup you have
Like I said, I close my browser for concentration, and I like the simple black window. That's really it. I can't help but browse internet so I make sure I simply can't.
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>>138686157
おはらだちになられるかとはおもいますが
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>>138686157
Depends on what you want to say. 怒ったら might also be a possibility.
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>>138686305
lewd
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>>138684967
Where did you find the script for the VN?
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>>138683808
>>138684503
>>138684822
Thanks guys, however if possible I would prefer ratings to 1dp, the reason being that otherwise the rating is too coarse (3,3,2,3,3,2,4,3 isn't really that helpful). Like: Flyable Heart: 1.7, Evenicle: 2.9 etc.
Thanks again
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>>138687285
I don't know whether to laugh or cry
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>>138687321
it's an obvious troll
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Anyone have the japanese text for "Daily Japanese thread"?
Im making an image.
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>>138687756
I should rephrase since I don't want 10 replies saying "hurrduur check the OP image" I mean copy pastable text.
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>>138687796
Learn Katakana
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>>138687796
>hurrduur
Kill yourself.
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>>138687796
hurrduur check the OP image
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>>138687863
Maybe after I finish this image
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>>138687756
ダイルーシットスレ
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>>138684251
This hahaha
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>>138687756
Why don't you look at the OP image then type in what you see?
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>>138688001
I dont actually know japanese (nor have any intrest to learn it) but I say an opportunity to make something and I enjoy making images.
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>>138688048
What?
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>>138687967
Im using this
Regardless of what it says
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How do you guys find html versions of books? I'm trying to read a book but it is painfully slow even with kanjitomo. Other books by the same author are in the CoR but not the one I need. Where can I hope to find it?
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>>138688153
If it's not on nyaa or in the CoR you'll probably have to buy it and then convert it. I wouldn't be able to tell you how, though.
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>>138688153
You can convert txt to html with JNovelFormatter. If you have epub or something like that just convert it to txt with Calibre first.
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>>138688048
>hurrduur
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>>138688048

>these are the people that want to change the OP so it's more tolerant and diverse and multicultural
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>>138688562
God no I dont want to that.
I preferred when it said "The pleasure of being cummed inside"
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>>138686305

>>138682921
>>138682921


What do you think of this, imouto?
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>>138688562
The fuck are you on about?
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>>138688048
What the fuck
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>>138688048
I appreciate that you have fun with doing your own things, but some people don't like the djt image changed and includes anime girls.

You don't even study japanese, so please, don't rock the boat. Feel free to stay but don't fuck up a good thing going. It has been 3 nice djt threads in a row. Some people are going to get triggered by anime-girls djt image and it's just going to yield posts after posts of unnecessary debates.
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>>138688752
I dont want to change the OP image I want to make something funny.
I never hinted that my intention was such.
Anyway heres the half finished image forget if you want but never think that I wanted to annoy people or get the OP image changed.
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>>138688752
>some people don't like the djt image changed and includes anime girls.
Do you mean "changed to include anime girls"?
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>>138688752
I remember when DJT wasn't this autistic and didn't bat an eye at a thread every now and then with a random character added to the default OP image. At least we don't argue over certain things anymore, but those topics have just been replaced by other topics.
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>>138688843

I like it.
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>>138687756
>>138688048
Dee Jay Tee

Oh my knee wuh moory duh kuhrah akeera mehtokey

Show shin shah nuhrah, guido woah yonday kooray tuh my
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>>138688927
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>>138688847
In principle I really don't care about the OP image, but in practice the posts after posts about it over several threads littered djt, proper discussions were scarce and questions were being glossed over due to the image arguments.

>>138688845
Yes. I'm a dyslexic, diabetic ESL. My brain doesn't work half as good as normal person. It happens sometimes.
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>>138688927
Record yourself saying this.
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>>138689079
That's my point. I don't know why it's suddenly a big deal now (outside of that one incredibly autistic anon who kept false flagging, pissing both sides off on purpose and arguing over it). We used to have random threads with an OP image that had random characters in it and no one really gave a shit or called comment to it.
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Rare kanji for you kids still preparing for your kanji dilettante debuntante ball
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>>138689300
I know 高 mate, I don't need that shit.
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>>138689300
But that kanji is even in Flyable Heart
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いまにほんでわだいになっていること

Peyongってなんだよーペヨングってなんだよー

きょうもにほんはへいわだた
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>>138689273
Mods, please rangeban this person.
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Does anyone know a site where japanese person posts raw text from manga? Particularly from Hare Kon? Chapter 23?
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>>138689443
Netabare sites often post the full text. But if it's not popular enough to get netabare it probably doesn't exist.
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>>138687756
i have it right here dude

外人自閉症地獄へようこそ
自殺するほどみんな下手くそ

経験者なら、なぜこんなところに来たんだよ
くだらないゴミしかないだけだろう
暇つぶしのつもりなら趣味が悪いぞ

よろしくゆビッチ

play, my friends
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what is even happening in this thread kek

Anti-Anime OP autist vs. even bigger autist who is mad because the first autist succeeded in what he set out to do
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>>138689615
I'm more just mad because it's pretty clear he hasn't been on DJT for very long and he caused several thread-ruining shitstorms without being aware of it.
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Any PC reading application that supports azw3, 縦書き and Japanese at all? FBReader would be good enough if it supported 縦書き. Tried renaming the file to .mobi and reading it on my e-ink device, but looks like it didn't support the format or something, pages were blank.
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Eyecancer related is the reason people started caring about the OPs
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>>138689696
Picture related is something yall niggas can fucking use
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>>138689696

Look at that trash, that fucking ear, the fucking hair at the forehead - it's disgusting. You should be glad the autist was able to get his way and now we have a non-shit OP.

I would love the Dekinai-chan and Zoi OPs to be cycled with the clean one though. Love those.
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>>138689696
a thread is only as good as its posts. its just more convenient for all the bad posters to look to the op and shift blame off of themselves and continue to post badly at something
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>>138689696
Which was mostly because of how bad it looked and the fact that it wasn't just a variation of the default one with a random character or two added (which is what almost all of the "anime" OPs posted before where). I can't dig up any examples because the old archive is dead, though. If any other DJT veterans have one saved they can probably post one.
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>>138689760
The other chan's DJT thread image is pretty similar to what they were.
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>>138689760
This.
>>138689754
>You should be glad I was able to get my way and now we have a non-shit OP.
>>138689756
Also this.
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I was thinking the following : to learn on/kunyomi and fucked pronunciations as well as vocab, make an anki deck with vocab that features all of the pronunciations of the kanji I know.

I was wondering if this would work though, cause theres 一 that has dozens of pronunciations and shit.
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when studying a grammar resource (like tae kim) should one also be trying to read japanese shit throughout, and just ignore text with grammar that hasn't been learned yet?
or should one be satisfied with the examples in the grammar resource, finish reading all of the resource first, and only then try reading actual stuff?
in general, what are good ways to study and retain grammar?
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>>138689148
>We used to have random threads with an OP image that had random characters in it and no one really gave a shit or called comment to it.
This, if only the old archive was still around.

There was even a stretch of time where the OP would use a page of some manga or LN as the image. (Until people complained about not being able to find the thread in the catalog.)

It was never a source of autism or anger, until this new breed. Except for that a spergout one day when some OP made a really shitty-looking handwritten image "DJTスレ" with his tablet and people were calling him out for "disrespecting" the thread.
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>>138689938
Reading -> looking the grammar I don't know up in DoJG has been working great for me.
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We posting our memetic OP images again?
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>>138689917
So you're going to make an Anki deck full of information you already know?
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>>138689930
却下

>>138689938
good ways to retain grammar: composition, workbook exercises, talking to real people who can correct you
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>>138690069
no i dont think anyone is actually
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>ロマンジ
>(n) romanji (misspelling of "romaji")
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Autistanon here.

Here is my contribution if we're okay with le animu OPs.
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>>138689988
cool. i was curious about that as well -- instead of independently studying grammar, just trying to read, and using a grammar resource as a reference. i'd imagine that would start very slow.

>>138690101
thanks
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>>138690159
よくわかりますよ、ロマンジのこと
つぎはひるがなとかたなかな
それから漢字と感じ

>>138690195
while it would be nice if no one bullied i think asking to not bully will just make it worse

maybe just make something cool thats useful to people learning japanese
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>>138684777
Reading them backwards will help. It even helps to just scan the example sentence backwards and whenever you hit a kanji see if you can say what the reading is supposed to be.

The problem is probably that you end up associating the pronunciations with the wrong thing, like the context of the example sentence or something.
Saying their pronunciation in reverse order will help you associate the pronunciations to the kanji themselves.
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>指すんじゃねっぺ
>んじゃねっぺ
Is this thing a dialect?
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>>138690195
Would've been better if the no bully text was in Japanese.
Also there should be a cute anime girl.
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>>138690195
That's a gif, so you're not actually going to see it unless you click on it. It's the sort of OP that would've gotten maybe one comment before and then the thread would move on because no one gives a shit. Same with most other anime OPs as long as it's not covering up the text in the image / isn't blatantly too obnoxious (though even then I recall having a couple chaika face OPs where no one cared). Anime OPs were never an issue as long as it didn't change the image entirely and look ugly as fuck like >>138689696
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>>138689696
>>138689754
>>138689760
I'm not going to argue about it, but I feel obligated to just say that I fucking hate all of you retards.
Hopefully one day you'll look back and realize that you're the reason we can't have nice things. Not the guy who made an image you didn't like.

That is all. Have a nice day, and don't forget to kill yourselves.
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>>138690324
not really a dialect っぺ is just goofball shit. cant really give you more to understand the speech pattern unless i see more from whoever thats from

んじゃ is common thing. its cool to just be casual with how you talk
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>>138690420
oh i forgot to say its a corruption or whatever of って in that case
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>>138690324
んだ。さざね。もうさざねからかんにんしてくんろ
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>>138690416
I mean, I personally didn't really give a shit (though I do agree it looked ugly), I'm from around the era >>138689941 is talking about where sometimes the OP varied a fair amount and sometimes would even be a random manga page or something. I don't really care about the OP image as long as we're on topic, was just explaining what likely caused the storm of autism in that one thread. Hell, that shitstorm didn't even really happen until the 2nd (or 3rd? don't remember) time in a row that image was used.
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>>138690480
Right, and it's the people who were linked to in >>138690416 that are the cause of the derailment, not the ones making different images.
They all basically sound like this
>waaahh it's your fault that I'm complaining about the OP image, you should have made an image that was more aesthetically pleasing to my personal tastes, you're the problem not me

If they'd at least realize that they're the autistic idiots that stiffle creativity on sites like 4chan then I'd be fine. But they actually somehow think it's the opposite which just baffles me.
Like there's some magical world they can go to where creativity can flourish while simultaneously everything is to their liking. It's a paradox. Hence why I think they're all idiots.
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>>138690480
作ればあいつが来る
飛んで火に入る夏の虫
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>>138690585
Don't forget people post just to be gay on 4chan and DJT is not safe. If you give people who couldn't care less about Japanese a topic they can engage in, well, the results speak for themselves.
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lingq is easily my favourite language learning resource, easily worth the monthy cost imo.
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>>138685342
Which of them do you think is more likely to be called マルチネス?
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>>138690721
I agree completely. Lingq has supercharged my language learning.
Never close the site or I don't know what I'll do. I might have to learn how to develop my own website so I could have a similar tool.
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You know who the real asshole of djt is? The anon who post replies just to trigger reactions, being argumentative for argumentative sake, and debating semantics all the while being a condescending ass.

All of us can identify that anon because his posts usually doesn't use capital letters, comma, and period, along with some other punctuations.

We should collectively ignore him. Now if only there were a 4chan mod that is actively studying japanese, or if only there were a system in place to IP ban that one particular joker anon, djt would be a more productive place for discussion.
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>>138690869
how do i upvote your post
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>>138690945
Glorious
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>>138690869
Oh it's you again.
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>>138690945
Saved. I don't care if it's never in the OP this is beautiful.
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>>138683129
>ignore
where di you get this from? It's not in the picture
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>>138690945
すっげー!
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Would "話を合わせ” be going along with a story you told, or two people getting their stories straight?
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>>138691000
C O N T E X T
O
N
T
E
X
T

Usually the first though
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>>138691060
Fucking context, it can be both in this situation.
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>>138690869
How about that autist that freaks out whenever someone posts 僕?

>Iol you like taking it in the ass
>only pussies say boku
>if you say boku you should kill urself lol

Now that I think about it, we might be talking about the same person.
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>>138690324
It is, If I'm not mistaken it's from Fukushima

Well, after looking it up it indeed it is 福島弁

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7A2nAYGJac0
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>>138691077
Gee, how noble of you.
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>>138691077
>for the sake of DJT
You mean for the sake of your personal autism. DJT generally doesn't give a shit what's in the OP as long as it's not the same image over and over (outside of whatever is accepted as the current "default" of course, which has changed multiple times). See >>138689941 >>138690480
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>>138691000
like everyone said context
文で使ってください

>>138691096
i guess it mutated from だべ to だぺ because of all the radiation lately
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>>138691170
just to echo the op not being a big deal i dont even look at it because theres nothing useful there. theres people to help and baddies to thwart below when i open up djt in the morning
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I want to learn japanese and am willing to commit however long it takes.

I have but one question: how hard is it?
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>>138691476

It's not a question of how hard, but can or can't.

You can't.
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>>138691476
the harder your dick is for japanese untranslated porn, the less hard learning japanese becomes

- Abraham Lincoln
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>>138691476
The hardest part is the beginning and getting used to kanji. Once you're past your first non-Hanahira-tier VN or whatever, it's really just time consuming rather than difficult.

Also this >>138691537, Abraham Lincoln knows his shit. As long as you're reading things you enjoy, the only part that will be a bit of a slog once you get deep into reading will be daily Anki reviews/new cards (and I guess looking up grammar, but that isn't too bad and you can just use the DoJG deck for that after doing Tae Kim or something).
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>>138691476
Difficulty doesn't matter. What matters is whether you have the discipline.
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>>138691476
ものすごく

>>138691492
お前ならできる

>>138691537
病気上記
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At what point did /a/ move on to Kanji from Kana? I've gotten pretty familiar with both hiragana and katakana, but I still don't feel very confident about trying kanji.
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>>138691609

>お前ならできる

ほんと?
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>>138691643
たぶん
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というか正直、夢だったらいいのにと思っていた。

is that のに a のに or の and a に?
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>>138691629
Stop being a baby and move on.
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>>138691685
literally the same thing
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>>138691685
It's a のに. Specifically the ~ばいいのに type.
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>>138691629
Tae Kim used kanji from the beginning and told me not to be a bitch about it, so I guess right after I learned kana? If you get a few hundred words into Core and still have pretty bad retention issues, consider doing the Kangxi radicals deck or some form of kanji study (some anon posted a bunch of different methods/decks a couple threads ago).
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>>138690585
>Right, and it's the people who were linked to in >>138690416 that are the cause of the derailment
What are you talking about? The people who cause the derailment are the idiots who argue about the derailment. Don't strawman.
>>138691204
Mods, really please ban this person.
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>>138691685
this is what happens when they tell kids that compound particles should be considered separate things from their parts

i honestly dont know how to help you other than saying のに is vital here in conveying that if it was a dream then that wouldve been the good shit

考えるな、感じる
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あの子、またお菓子を食べている。

止(や)めればいいのに。
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>>138691629
I never moved on to kanji. I moved on to vocabulary.
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>>138691806
止(よ)せばいいのに
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>>138691741
>>138691800
Thanks
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>>138689696
>>138689754
That's one of the best OP images we have had.
I have no idea why people don't like it but I'm going to assume it's only the spergs kneejerking because it looks fundamtally different to the currently used one and it throws a kink in their inane daily routine where everything has to be the same. Much like the content of these threads more or less since CoRkun stopped frequently posting new things/updates of things.

>>138689719
Man, that doesn't reflect /a/ at all. May as well be posted on a reddit board for generic learning.
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>>138691869
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>>138691869
when are you going to learn is the question
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>>138691869
>Much like the content of these threads more or less since CoRkun stopped frequently posting new things/updates of things.
He still posts things, he just hides the fact that he's CoRkun and he doesn't have site access.
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Why do people here recommend reading Visual Novels instead of Light Novels?
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>>138692005

Erotic visuals
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>>138691983
Why don't he have site access anymore?
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>>138691794
>The people who cause the derailment are the idiots who argue about the derailment.
I guess if you throw cause and effect out the window then sure.
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>>138692005
easier to look up everything and not actually read the ingame text (read in the texthooker) at any point, clinging to the hope that eventually it all makes sense someday
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>>138692035
The reason he gave in one of the threads was that he didn't feel comfortable having/managing it and feels it and that he isn't super stable all the time and would rather leave it in other people's hands, he worded it in a kind of vague way.
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>>138692048
Not really. It's not that hard to self-fulfill. Invent a problem, complain about it, profit. >>138688752
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>>138692005
>>138692068

Voice acting and having a lot of visuals definitely helps a lot too.
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>>138692005
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/138183566/#138188225
http://desustorage.org/a/thread/135638221/#135649900
Plus most of the time LNs are in image format which is really inconvenient to read from. Much less so if you have it available in a text based format though.
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>>138692084
So complaining about a different OP image isn't derailment, but telling people to just shut up about it is derailment?
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>>138691944
Learn what? That we should put up with retards instead of telling them to go away, or that the retards are now in the majority and this thread is no longer related to /a/ at all and that the outsiders have taken over? What exactly do you want everyone to accept?
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>>138692129
You are the retard, anon. Right next to that justice faggot.
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>>138691869
It's an objectively bad drawing with sloppy coloring and the fact that you like it just shows that you have no standards whatsoever.
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>all of these arguments just because some guy wanted to make a shop of the OP image for his own self-interest

never change /a/
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>>138692126
The initial complaints literally never last more than one or two posts, unless eyecancer is posted. It's literally only a problem when retards argue about it. Try not arguing some time.
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>>138692129
its gonna be okay dude. just relax and do some flash cards
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>>138692075
I see. Since this thread is still young I'm going to give him a shout out. Resource anon, thanks for all your help that made me and djt residents in general able to learn japanese more efficiently. We can't thank you enough.

Also shout out to every anons out there that have contributed one way or another to the CoR throughout it's existence so far and in the future.
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>>138692181
the biggest way you can give thanks is eventually write your post in japanese someday

english is nice but what have you really learned so far to feel the need to express this gratitude?
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>>138692165
I think you're just seeing what you want to see.

and now I'm pretty sure I know why.
>unless eyecancer is posted
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>>138692142
The mods might have rolled over like little bitches but those of us few remaining /a/nons are not going to leave and you're going to have to put up with being put in your place when you step out of line, crossboarding scum. You're like fucking muslims who hide being insults when facing criticism you don't want to hear. These threads were a lot better before you and your ilk came, and it's fucking obvious who the outsiders are.

>>138692143
Learn what objective means.
Get the fuck off my board.
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>>138692129
>Questions & Thread Etiquette
>Please be on your best behavior, and try not to bring elements of your native-board culture into the thread, or any other low-level internet trash if you can abstain from it (/jp/ and /a/ things included).
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>>138692246
>Learn what objective means.
It means exactly what I think it means.

>Get the fuck off my board.
Truly you are the cancer.
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>>138692246
>All this delusion
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I never see people talking about imabi in these threads. What does /djt/ think about imabi?
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>>138692129
Keep telling him to go away. It is working really well. Every time he posts he derails the entire thread because of people like you.
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>>138692237
It's ok anon, I'm sorry for your condition. I won't push you any harder.
>>138692271
Report and hide.
>>138692277
He shat up one of our threads so a lot of people dislike him.
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>>138692271
Someone should go find that reddit themed DJT OP that was used as a troll a while back.
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>>138692246
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8ci2qi-Iys
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>>138692246
Not either of them, but what makes you assume they're crossboarders? I'm an /a/ homeboard user (hell, I don't really even go to other boards outside of /jp/'s VN thread) and I think it's an ugly bad image. I didn't really mind it the first couple times though, I think it was the third time in a row it got used that made people angry. I don't really give a shit either way, but still.
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おにいちゃん

おなかへった

ひもじい
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What is wrong with you guys? I made it so that we could go back to an nondisruptive OP and you guys just keep arguing about it for some reason. Just learn Japanese.
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>>138692343
>ひもじい
ひもじいい!!!!
いぐううう
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>>138692353
If you did something, you're probably the reason. Get over here so we can beat the shit out of you.
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>>138692263
You know it's right, hence your kneejerk reaction and failure to address anything.

>>138692279
Eat shit you fucking cunt. People are responsible for their own actions and you should be joining in and telling these faggots to fuck off instead of being a passive agressive little bitch who cares more about avoiding confrontation than removing the rodents. Your spinless attitude is the reason why /a/ was so easily overran with manchildren back in 07-08, and now you attack the native minority in order to appease the unwanted outsiders.


What a fucking faggot. You into cuckoldry as well?
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>>138692285
>It's ok anon, I'm sorry for your condition. I won't push you any harder.
I guess this is one of those posts that you think isn't argumentative right?
You're never the cause of arguments here are you? It's all just the other side that won't stop arguing huh
Must be frustrating for you.
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>>138692343
俺を食べて
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>>138692371
Have you considered people just don't like it because it's a shit image, not because they must be crossboarders? I'm an /a/ user and I think it's a shit image.
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I sure love when the argumentative autist comes by
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>>138692361
Layeth the smacketh down, as the People's Champ would say.
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>>138692371
holy shit get a life fat manboy at moms house
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Japanese the Manga Way reads pretty fun

More fun than Tae Kim for sure.
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>>138692380
>I guess this is one of those posts that you think isn't argumentative right?
I know it's bad, but you're responding, etc.
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>this thread

please wipe DJT off the face of this god forsaken board mods
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>>138692371
Mods, please permanently rangeban this user. I implore you.
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>>138692416
i would imagine thats by design. tae kim just isnt a very fun dude in general

if there was a japanese the djt way, it would be written entirely in english (and romaji) in the style of this poster >>138692371
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>>138692453

>I implore you

*チップ*
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>>138683129
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>>138692353
Can you please do your job and delete this cancer?
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Anons here, how long does it usually take you guys, and which learning method did you use to be able to grasp the context of most manga/doujin you read? So i've been diligently learning vocab but I still have trouble with colloquial expression and long, complex sentences.
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>>138692427
>but you're responding, etc.
well then it's a good thing I'm not the delusional one who said that people on my side of the argument only ever make 1 or 2 posts then isn't it?
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>>138692514
You seem to be assuming I said something I didn't, anon.
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>>138692512
That's all subjective and depends on how much you've read / what things you've read. You just have to read more and get used to it. Sorry, I know that's not a very helpful or insightful answer, but that's just how it is.
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>>138692512
for a while i just brought all my doujins to my japanese girlfriend who would read them for me in character

now i can just read them to myself in character as well

basically what im saying is the best learning method is having a japanese girlfriend
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>>138692546
Lend me yours please.
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>>138692512
Are you currently reading right now? Type some example that you just saw so other people have an idea what you meant by your question.

I'm too lazy to name specific examples, but Mangastream and Viz translation of One Piece differs every so often in subjects identification, like Mangastream would say "we" and Viz would say "I", etc.

So it's alright if you are confused with long, complex sentences, I do too, and often. That doesn't keep me from reading manga and enjoying it though.

Throw a real example you are at the moment having difficulty of, so everybody here can discuss it.
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>>138692531
Have you realized yet that you're one of those "idiots" you mentioned here >>138692165
that won't stop arguing? You're derailing the thread right now, same as me.

Do you see the flaw in your circular reasoning? It's the "initial complaints" you mentioned that cause this. They aren't free from blame as you implied, and you're no better than anyone else.
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>>138692695
>>138692531
quit fooling around
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>>138692634
can you help me with this sentence then
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>>138692695
There was a good 9 minutes of you not responding, senpai.

>It's the "initial complaints" you mentioned that cause this.
No, it's the people that respond.

>They aren't free from blame as you implied, and you're no better than anyone else.
Where do you think you are?
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>>138692628
I'm borrowing her right now so you will have to wait for your turn
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>>138692727
>No, it's the people that respond.
Everyone who responds except you I guess, right?

So person A makes a post. Person B complains about it, and person C complains about person B.

How are person B and C any different?
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>>138692752
I don't see anything difficult that you would need help with. Are you rusing by posting easy material?
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>>138692752
Are you having difficulties with manga like your original post stated, or with VN? What tripped you on that screenshot? Share what tripped you on that screenshot you just made, and we can discuss it here. We can learn together.
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>>138692818
by help i mean just read the whole thing to me because its really long and my brain shuts off by about the fifth comma

behold, albatross
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>>138692815
>Everyone who responds except you I guess, right?
Did you miss the part where I said "I know it's bad"?

>So person A makes a post. Person B complains about it, and person C complains about person B.
>How are person B and C any different?

Because A will never respond to B. B would totally respond to C though. Therefore, it's mandatory for C to exercise discretion and not blow shit up.
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>>138692818
N1とN2のあいだくらいだとおもうよ
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>>138692883
N1は日本人の高校生以下のレベルだから
>>138692752の方が難しいはず
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>>138692861
>Did you miss the part where I said "I know it's bad"?
Oh, I guess that makes it ok then.
Alright, well I know all my posts are bad then, so I guess we're not derailing the thread right now. What a load off my mind.

>>138692861
B and C are both complaining about other posters and are equally at fault.
Poster A would be the OP by the way, and B represents the "initial complaints" that that anon was talking about.
If people would just shut up about the OP image then there would be no arguing. But this guy is trying to tell me that no it's ok to complain about the OP image and all the arguing is the fault of people who are trying to tell them to just ignore it.
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>>138692852
Just read them over and over until you understand at least the gist of the sentence. It's not a test. When I read an LN, it takes me a long time to understand their scientifical description as well. Just take your time anon, it's not a language test where you are pressed for time and have to read quickly.

It's a foreign text, our brain obviously have to get used to it. Japanese have 横飯 as well studying English, this is our reverse 横飯, just persevere (I'm mostly saying this to myself).
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>>138692948
>B and C are both complaining about other posters and are equally at fault.
Sure, if B feeds back into the argument. But you know what? They don't have to. The moment someone responds to B, anyone who agreed with B feels attacked and starts feeding into the argument. If everyone ignores B, we can all get along fine, and nobody is causing people with B's opinion to be even more defensive in the future.

>Poster A would be the OP by the way, and B represents the "initial complaints" that that anon was talking about.
No shit.

>But this guy is trying to tell me that no it's ok to complain about the OP image
I never said that.

>and all the arguing is the fault of people who are trying to tell them to just ignore it.
That is true though.

I'm A btw.
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>>138692918
高校生なら読めないと言ってるわけ?
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>>138692987
Sure, if A feeds back into the argument. But you know what? They don't have to. The moment someone responds to A, anyone who agreed with A feels attacked and starts feeding into the argument. If everyone ignores A, we can all get along fine, and nobody is causing people with A's opinion to be even more defensive in the future.

B is still at fault just as much as C.

Me >>138692126
Other anon (you I guess) >>138692165
You're trying to justifying the "initial complaints" and make it sound like they are any different from the rest of the shitstorm.

Nobody is on the high road. If you want to complain about something (anything) then other people have just as much of a right to give their counter complaint.
It's not the second groups fault, it's everyone's fault. Including the "initial complaints".
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>>138693077
>You're trying to justifying the "initial complaints" and make it sound like they are any different from the rest of the shitstorm.
I said "The initial complaints literally never last more than one or two posts", not "The inital posters of complaints literally never make more than one or two posts". Consider learning english.
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>>138693077
Nobody is ever going to stop the initial complaints. Ever. The problem is morons like you who think it's ok to think that nobody should ever complain about anything, and that arguments are inevitable if they do complain. Do you know how incredibly delusional that is? Look at yourself right now.
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Tldr
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>>138692918
上記の通りです
何も知らない赤ん坊です

ここはどこ
ボクは誰
青木まりこ現象の存在が確かにあるって思えます

>>138692975
oh ok i guess if i just read a line or two every day i will eventually have read the entire thing in a week or two

>>138693077
i am suddenly reminded of some picture from i think a hentai anime where a bunch of girls are lined up in a circle on all fours with hoses going from their mouth into the butthole of the girl in front of them, all joined in this circle by this method
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>>138693219
i remember this doujin
it was better before i could read it desu
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>>138693188
> oh ok i guess if i just read a line or two every day i will eventually have read the entire thing in a week or two

If you say so anon. Everybody have different learning speeds. Just keep doing it, you will be able to read quicker and quicker the more you read.
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>>138693235
It has most of my major fetishes (including ones that are usually done in a way I don't really like or are rarely done at all, especially the blackmail reverse NTR) packed into one. I haven't really found anything that has topped it for me yet.
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>>138693235
if theres a reason not to learn japanese its this

its more fun to edge forever and think the content is compelling

its sort of like one of the two greatest tragedies in life, to gain your hearts desire
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>>138693291
I have a lot of fetishes in it but it messes most of them up. It's a shame too, good art.
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>>138693308
Any recommendations that pull off a similar concept better? The mix of stuff in the image name in particular (could do with or without the incest though)

Main thing that usually ends up ruining it for me is pegging/to an extent cbt, and those usually go hand in hand with femdom it seems.
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>>138693113
So you want me to stop complaining right?
How is that different from me wanting people to stop complaining about the OP image?

>who think it's ok to think that nobody should ever complain
>and that arguments are inevitable if they do complain
I never said either of these.
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>>138693404
>He's still going
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和。
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>>138693460
>わ
>やわ
どちらかな
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>>138693480
俺和にっぽんというわけだ
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>>138683129
I hadn't thought that in the few days after writing this story I would end up missing the bus that only passes 3 times a day.
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>spend three hours cooking/doing the dishes, since I'm a complete newfag at cooking who has to watch youtube videos for everything, doesn't know where shit is in the kitchen, and has to stop and read the recipe book thoroughly
>quickly running out of time to study Japanese; going to have to choose between finishing reps and getting a bit of reading in

I really need to prep ahead of time.
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>>138693614
Watch anime while you cook.
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>>138693614
cooking is overrated. just cook in bulk something that can sit in the fridge for a week or so

also you can easily eat healthy with low prep time if you consume lots of fresh produce

every second of your life counts when it comes to learning japanese.
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>>138693614
>I'm a complete newfag at cooking who has to watch youtube videos for everything,
watch japanese cooking videos
>read the recipe book thoroughly
and read japanese recipe books
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>>138693666

I had to stay on top of the food tonight. I wouldn't have been able to focus.

Maybe if I had podcasts on my phone...


>>138693687

I have horrible acid reflux that might kill me. As a result, I've cut out carbs apart from fruit in an effort to starve the bacteria in my stomach. That basically does away cheap, easy, filling shit, and necessitates nightly cooking.

Worst case scenario, I'll lose some weight, which will also help.


>>138693688

Not really good enough for that yet.
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>淫夢
Am I the only one who can't type this?
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>>138693752
>horrible acid reflux that might kill me
For real my man? I didn't know it could get so bad. I've only heard of acid reflux leading to death through suicide...
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>>138693806

Well, I know that it hinders my ability to breath while laying down and causes a lot of chest pain.

It can also turn into cancer.

I haven't gotten it checked out (no money for health insurance), but it interferes enough with me to be worrying.
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>>138693837
Ah, I see, that sucks. Well good luck to you with that, and cooking.
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This seems like it should be easier to think of but how do you say something "looks good" like "I don't really get the meaning but it looks great", would you just use something like すごそう?
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>>138693971
美味そう
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>>138693967

Thanks, anon.

I honestly don't think that this ridiculous period is going to last longer than a week or so. I'm already getting my technique down a bit on a few common tasks.
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>>138693480
和。わ。
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>>138694184
ひとのなまえだと

だいたい「かず」ってよむよ
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Quick question.
堀口:“フィルム化されたもの”がオフィシャル。
Basically he's saying "What is filmed is official", correct? Is he speaking of "film" in the sense of a movie or "on film/footage" or "was filmed" in the sense of anime in general? I'm positive it's the second one but if anyone had a reputable link that I can source I'd be thankful.
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のどか
穏やか

what is the difference?
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>>138694265
2 different words that are synonyms
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きょうのにほんごっぽいにほんご

>後ろ髪を引かれて踵を返す
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>>138694246
Any help on this? Looking for a source.
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How do I find more shut-iny / otakuy people on hellotalk? I feel kinda uncomfortable being surrounded by so many リア充
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Smoothest way to ask "where are you from?"

Does this sound good? あなたの出身はなんですか
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>>138694854
nameさん would be better than あなた
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>>138694854
どこですか sounds more natural than なんですか
出身はどこですか
出身はどちらですか
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>>138694854
Either drop the あなたの or >>138694882

It sounds kind of stiff to say あなた if there's enough context for them to know who you're talking about (obviously the person you are talking to)
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硬い時に使う
>氏名・住所

柔らかい時に使う
>おなまえ・おところ
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>>138695010
Not just stiff, if you already know the name using あなた is actually rude
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>>138692752
>>138692818
>>138692844
We're lacking detectives. If you go to the imgur URL from that filename it was uploaded 7 months ago. C'mon guys. Obvious troll.
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>>138695374
It doesn't matter. My answer will still be relevant to beginners that might so happen to visit this thread from when it was posted until a couple hours from now when it's archived.

Refer to this >>138690869
I can't control other people's actions but I can control my own answer, and when I can control it, I'd choose to steer the conversation to something meaningful.
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>>138695374
You missed quoting this one btw, >>138692975
I missed quoting it too on my first reply to you. As I said, my answer will still be relevant to beginners that might so happen to visit this thread until it's archived.
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>>138689930
>If you're a beginner, please go back to Mexico
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How come Aiura isn't in the CoR?
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>fail 3 mature core2k cards in a row
Great way to start the day.
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>>138696042
ドンマイ

Just think of it in the sense that that means you're just improving more by increasing your exposure to those words, fuck the stats mayn
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>add audio to all cards to my deck
>20 new cards / day
>went from 70% correct to 93% correct


holy fuck it's not a meme, audio actually helps
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>>138696145
>yfw a deck you downloaded from Anki promises sound files, but they're all deleted or corrupted
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbhNTqCFFPs

koohii forums is magical
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Is there any way I could rearrange my Vocab deck to be in the same order as my Kanji deck?
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>>138696447
Not without losing your scheduling progress.
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>>138696447
Wanikani does this.
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>>138696467
I'll think of a workaround for that, I think separating my unseen cards as separate decks should work?
Could you teach me?
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>>138696519
I can't do Wanikani I'm afraid. I've already finished about 75% of the Kanji taught in WK.
If I could import my progress to WK, I might consider it.
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>>138696561
Oh yea, no, you can't do that. WK is mostly for proto and lower beginners.
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遣り切れない

Years studying and I only feel like I scratched the surface. Can read stuff but can't understanding speaking that well, can't produce.


When did you realize you can't learn Japanese?
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>>138696183
Is the sound in the format?
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>>138696799
If you can't speak, you haven't read enough. You need EXTENSIVE reading/listening to speak fluently and well.
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>>138696799
weren't you studying it all at once? were you not constantly practicing speaking and listening, just reading?
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>>138696920
>constantly practicing speaking
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>>138696905
>>138696920
It just never ends.
There's just so many words. The 10000 is a meme, it doesn't end there at all.
If I'm reading I can just look stuff up, but I still have trouble with speech. I wonder if I really can't learn Japanese.
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>50%-75% of words I look up are already in my mining deck
I hope my longstanding confidence that anki works isn't going to end up false
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>>138697246
It works to some extent but I do find it overrated.
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>>138697235
I watch a good amount of anime and lets plays... my vocab isnt too hot but speech is even more limited (by habit of the speaker, not by any rules) than novels as far as I can tell. If you suck at listening I doubt it's a problem of vocabulary. It's more likely a problem of recognizing words you already do know, or else a problem of relying too much on kanji to recognize words (try reading aloud and see how it goes).
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Am i the only one that wants to punch Imouto in the face?
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>>138697316
Yes
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>fail mature card
>get it correct enough for it to return to mature
>fail it again
悔しい
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>>138697476
Anki is a myth
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>>138697316
>>138697462
Meanwhile, you don't care about the shitposting autist who is repeatedly trying to evade bans by deleting his own posts after he makes them (but after they get 5 responses).
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>>138697515
You cannot possibly be this new holy fuck
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>>138697515
Guy, I've been on DJT for close to two years now, somewhat shamed as I am to admit it. I've lived through maki-fag talking about gay dicks, I've lived through the worst of the argument autist, I've lived through literal threads full of nothing but RTK vs Core arguing, I've seen it all man. I don't give a fuck about shitposters and shitposting anymore. I wasn't born with thick skin, but this thread surely gave it to me. I can't get worked up about shitposters, I fundamentally do not care, and I find it surprising that any resident of DJT can muster up enough fucks to give about it at this point.
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>>138697575
I'm like you I think, Anon. I've been here about as long as well. This thread and dealing with retarded dota players when I was still playing the game basically turned me into an adult.
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>>138697575
You fundamentally do not care, but you care enough to whine about imouto every day. I don't care either, I just think it's funny who people choose to direct their posts at in this thread.

>>138697545
http://vocaroo.com/?upload
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>>138697268
Agreed, my fellow 4channer! WaniKani(TM) and Remember the Kanjitachis are much more effective in learning Nippongo! I have used both these sugoi resources and have already memorized 70 Kanjitachis in 2 years!
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>>138696145
This just in: Using ALL your senses to learn a language is better than using SOME of them.
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>>138697778
I do 50 cards a day at 90% retention without audio, what do I win?
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>>138697753
I am the guy who said "yes" as in "yes, you are the only person who wants to punch imouto", which I think reflects my attitude well enough. I got no problem with imouto.
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>>138697778
How can I use taste, smell, hunger, time, balance, speed, and feeling to learn Japanese?
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>>138697819
A pat on the back?

Really the best way to learn is the full immersion do or die method:
> Surrounded by natives
> One dedicated translator to name anything you point at
> No speaking english
> No hearing english
> No english equipment
> Final destination
You'll be speaking half broken sentences by the end of the week or starve to death in an alley somewhere
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>>138696868
Yep, even the cards in the sound area has [糞音.wav] and won't even play. Tested on different devices, redownloaded it ect. Best way I could do to fill in the gap is to use google translate and pray it doesn't fuck me over.
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>>138697893
That "no using your native language" nonsense needs to die. It doesn't help you at all - you're either studying for 16 hours a day, and thus don't have any time to use English anyway, or you're studying for less than 16 hours a day, and are actually living a good life where using English won't impact your studying. Immersion fags are probably among the most annoying people in language learning, they're ALMOST right (prioritizing exposure) but also beleive so much bullshit (don't use your target language! you HAVE to move to the country to get good!) that they're far more irritating than people who are just completely wrong (and therefore easily ignored as idiots).
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>>138697933
There's nothing inherently wrong about it. If you don't know how to say something then you can't speak at all. It's a difficult hump to overcome, but it places an urgent need to learn quickly and effectively.

Of course everyone learns differently and may choose to pick things up at their own pace. Power training is only really for diplomats and people who want to learn mastery fast.
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>>138698017
I did not see anything in your post that showed or argued how not using English is good, unless as stated you're studying for 16 hours a day. To be clear, what I'm talking about it
>8 hours of language study
>8 hours of non-study using native language
is equally as good as
>8 hours of language study
>8 hours of non-study without using native language at all

For further clarification, reading or listening in a foreign language is something I'd consider "studying", so if you use those 8 hours of non-study to watch TV in a foreign language I'd actually consider that studying.

In short, "more exposure and more studying" is of course good, but "don't use your native language" is not helpful at all. When the latter leads to the former, it accidentally causes good stuff, which is why it's irritating to see people repeat it instead of just stressing the former in the first place.
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>>138698117
> "don't use your native language" is not helpful at all
To be fair it only works when you have a dedicated translator to hold your hand through the process. The goal is to rely on the translated words instead of your own. And yes, without a native you're basically flailing around in the dark to no effect.

Enough autism will learn the ropes no matter what. If your study is so good it should be no matter to translate anything here in your head no problem.
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Guys pls help should I study more or just kill myself?
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>>138698255
A lot of people come in here whining about laziness and whatnot, but shit dude, that's your personal problem. That's you being spineless, or weak. Grow up! Read Yotsuba and hanahira a second time if need be. Get a clue. Laziness doesn't have a cure. It's all in your head. You just have to buckle up. And if you can't, get out of here! You're done.

So it's time to get out the Grammar Hammer and nail those little bastards down.

>Should I ever bother to learn the world "fuss"? I heard that most people just use "bother" to say the same thing.

I felt like that yesterday.

I read anyways.

I struggled the entire time, failing to recognize words that I know and having trouble wrapping my head around several sentences.

However, by the end of it, I still committed several new words to my vocabulary.

Go read!

But really, you should stop trolling.
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>>138698246
I don't understand how that would help more than concentrated vocab study or reading, though... usually the more complex something is less likely it is to work, you know? That's the feeling I get with a lot of things.
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>>138692277
The guy in itself is kind of a bitch reacting like a kid, but his site is ok/good. I don't like how it's formatted though.
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>>138698300
Did you write all of that yourself? I swear I've read it before
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>>138697855
You can taste, smell and feel a Japanese girl.
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So I've been learning to translate these very old and light doujins of CCS
It's really nothing outside of anything you'd find outside of the realm of something you'd see in the show.

But am I supposed to feel like a degenerate doing this, or will that feeling pass as time goes on?
Like I could be translating something worthwhile, but at the end of the day, it'll always either been smut or nerdshit.

Am I just thinking too much?
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>>138698300
>I struggled the entire time, failing to recognize words that I know and having trouble wrapping my head around several sentences.
>However, by the end of it, I still committed several new words to my vocabulary.

This.
It can be incredibly demotivating when you're struggling to read something and it will feel like you're making no progress but as long as you're really trying to do it, you will be making progress.
Next time it will just that little bit easier.
The time after that, even easier.

Just keep at it. There is a light at the end of the tunnel.
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>>138698411
>But am I supposed to feel like a degenerate doing this
The feeling passes
If you translate something worthwhile you NEED to do a good job, it will be critically evaluated, and thats p stressful especially if you like the work.
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>単純な売買の相手としては盗人よりも性質の悪い相手ではあった

>>As simple partners for trade, they were even worse than robbers

correct? The ではあった is a contrastive は, right?
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>>138698306
The strength lies in the tutor. Anyone who takes a foreign language class can appreciate how useful it is to interact with the teacher even for a few minutes. Now multiply that by 24/7, with no opportunity to chicken out when things get tough.

That type of learning isn't cheap, but it gets results. That's all there is to it.
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>>138698502
I don't value the opinions of people in foreign language classes. I don't see how a tutor would be *that* helpful for someone in the reading and listening stage, really.
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>>138698457
If wonder if this isn't "They were 性質の悪い相手 RATHER than 盗人" instead. Like for というより
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>>138684662
Shit me dude.
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>>138684662
>9772 unique words
That doesn't seem like a lot at all. How long is the volume?
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>>138698538
You want a reason it works? Fine. Because mirror neurons. Happy now?
It's more about being able to speak in a half functional manner. Even full immersion takes months to see competent results. It's WAY better to learn the languages in preschool TBQH
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>>138684662
I read some of Bakemono and the hardest part was the grammar really, if you've read other stuff you won't be BTFO'd or anything but it's way trickier than normal VNs.
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>>138698595
I still don't see it dawg. From my googling just now, my understanding would be that mirror neurons would fire when watching dramas/TV shows as well so there's no need for a tutor. And that STILL doesn't explain how not using your native language helps, we kind of drifted there but I still see no evidence or argument that not using your native language helps in learning a second language (keeping in mind my earlier elaboration of what constitutes studying in my eyes).
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>>138688048
I don't know why people are flipping out. It's perfectly fine to want to make Images.
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>>138698604
I guess this is right. By the looks of it the vocab and number of Kanji is quite few but the grammar seems to be more figurative than other works.
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>>138688843
>>138698668
Yeah honestly what he ended up making is great.
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>>138689438
Wow they did it.
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>>138698705
Who was it?
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>>138688847
that's what happens when you start tolerating ledditurds.
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>>138698552
>>138698588
No it's not really. The main problem is the grammar as >>138698604 pointed out. As for the actual length of the novel, I don't know, I only have the .txt file.
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>>138690869
Quick get him, he's going full rogue.
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>>138698411
You should translate roof-top's CCS doujins.
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>>138691476
The first month or 2 of learning a language is always the hardest. Once you start getting used to the patterns it becomes, not easy but less hard.
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Hey guys, what does とばかり mean?

Context is

person 1- 詩音さんが失踪した
person 2- し、詩音がっ?いつ!!?
person 1- ありゃ、ご存知とばかり
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>>138698588
Volume one has 456 pages total, with double boxes (i.e. LOGH style)
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>>138698411
I'm gonna translate it just to make sure you don't learn japanese :^)
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>>138697575
In what story does this honourable lady reside?
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>>138699237
http://japanesetest4you.com/flashcard/learn-jlpt-n1-grammar-%E3%81%A8%E3%81%B0%E3%81%8B%E3%82%8A%E3%81%AB-to-bakari-ni/

i startpage'd it
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>>138699365
Some Love Live doujin. Her name is Nozomi. Unfortunately the doujin has her proto-personality so the anime is remarkably different.
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>>138699393
Ah so it's like "you seemed like you knew"?

Thanks
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>>138699570
I think so

Nowadays I don't even bother to search things using the dobj i just search with 'x n1 grammar'

neat trick in case you don't want to deal with grammar answers in japanese
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And today on "Confusing Loanwords", we haveシュールレアリズム! Did you get it right on your first try?
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>>138699814
It's not confusing. The only thing that's actually confusing is when the Japanese use loanwords and change their meaning.
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>>138699814
Pretty bad. people usually just say シュール for that aswell
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>>138699869
Here's another one!

フェイクファー
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>>138699902
Okay now this is weird. Why would they even need such a word? Do they use in like, clothes and fashion?
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>>138699924
Really makes you wonder huh?
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>>138699943
Yeah, I would've thought they'd use their own words for this kind of word.
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Play なないろリンカネーション they said. It's a fun relaxing nukige they said.
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>>138700069
What exactly am I looking at here? Her soul?
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>>138700069
I love that traumatised look with the little pupils
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>>138700069
When that scene came up I flinched and was so stunned I couldn't do anything for like an hour. Shows what a nukige (or sex-focused game) can do when the company hires a talented author.
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>>138699814
My reading of loan words/katakana is the awful. I spent a good minute trying to sound it out before giving up and using Rikai, and even then I can't sound it out anywhere near close enough to then hear the word they're trying to use.
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>>138700198
その感じは分かる
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>>138700198
I hate that feeling when you're sat there like a dumbass trying to sound out some weird katakana word for like 5 minutes and when you finally give up and look it up it turns out it's just an English word
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>>138699814
Surrealism. Easy peasy.
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>>138700198
Bit of advice I hear in my first weeks of learning: Don't think of loanwords as English words, think of them as Japanese words. It really raku's your ki, because you no longer expect yourself to be able to read them as easily as English, you know? It's understandable to read a Japanese word you don't know slowly.

Also I watched a let's play and whenever a long katakana sci-fi word came up the streamer would pause and slowly spell it out.
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>>138700198
That's what you have anki for. And even if you don't use anki you're gonna remember the next time you see it because you've already read it once. It's only the first time that hurts!
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>弱冠
>aged 20
reee
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>>138699351
Go ahead, you'd probably do better job than I would.
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>>138700123
MC can communicate with demons and ghosts and is looking for a serial killer, and Kotori is his friend, but she (and the player) aren't aware that she's been dead all along, and this is the scene where it's revealed It was actually kind of surprising because it's pretty different from the overall lighthearted tone of the game up to that point.
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>>138700408
Man is this really a nukige? This sounds awesome.
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>>138700408
>light hearted tone up to that point
Did you miss the dead dog, the guy who died and couldn't move on due to shame, the girl murdered by her boyfriend whose dad shamed her in death, etc etc
>>138700445
It's a nukige written by a good author. The unending porn and high focus given to sex/lewdness make no mistake about that
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>>138700408
Sounds like something I would have liked to read

Shame there's no point now

Wish it was easier to identify good VNs
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>>138700493
>It's a nukige written by a good author. The unending porn and high focus given to sex/lewdness make no mistake about that
Most of the nukige I've read are nowhere near this in terms of story, though.
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>>138700515
1 - Nanairo Reincarnation received rave reviews when it came out
2 - Art is obviously great
3 - Scenarist has a history of writing good games (Gun Knight Girl, Shirogane x Spirits)
4 - Debut game of Silky Plus Wasabi, a spinoff company of Silky's which is very, very popular
5 - Is constantly recommended and mentioned on forums
Frankly, rather than it being hard to identify good VNs, you just aren't informing yourself or participating in the VN community (even passively).
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>>138695908
It should be
mega:///#F!ro8U0apD!ne4trowThvlaOx6qW7JMjw
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Fun word of the day: 精巣
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>>138700515
I wanted to call you a clueless fagboy, but this guy >>138700673 already BTFO you to pieces. So just know that he's right, I vouch for it.

>>138700673
Are you hyped for あけいろ?
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>>138700708
金玉 are my fetish.
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>>138700819
Absolutely. Gonna be a good day.
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>>138700069
That's some nice art, family. What's the screenshot from?
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>>138700860
March is pretty packed overall. Mtts, Shkmz, new Dies, Akeiro etc.
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>>138700876
>Play なないろリンカネーション they said
What the fuck do you think? Sorry anon but Jesus Christ
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>>138700904
Nah, man. Which is it though?
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>>138700961
>>138700904
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqyVPgzOZjI
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What compelling content are you reading today, /djt/?
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>>138701549
I've been slacking off on reading because I shifted a lot of my reading time to doing JLPT prep books. Going to start on another arc/chapter of Haruhi vol. 6 which I'm pretty hyped about because I think it hasn't been adapted yet.

The only thing standing between me and fun reading time is adding my new cards and finishing my reps which I've unfortunately not started on.
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>>138701549
よつばと

初心者だ

がんばるぞい
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>>138701673
How difficult would you rate the Haruhi books? Once I finish reading NHK I think I'm gonna try reading them. Also, what JLPT level are you preparing for anon?
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>>138701704
頑張るしかないな。
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>>138701549
Waiting for Solaris to email me my PSN code so I can buy Demon Souls in Japanese and prep myself for Dank Souls 3.

In the meantime, enjoying a good old fashioned nukige.
>>138701708
Not him but I remember when I first tried LNs, Haruhi was way harder than high school DxD and Akikan. Kyon's a smart dude and the brooding narration reflects this I think. Not sure how objectively hard it would be considered, probably not high since it is an LN in the end.
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>>138701767
>Waiting for Solaris to email me my PSN code so I can buy Demon Souls in Japanese and prep myself for Dank Souls 3.
Damn, this sounds nice.
>Not him but I remember when I first tried LNs, Haruhi was way harder than high school DxD and Akikan.
Okay, thanks for the feedback anon.
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>>138701708
The main issue I -- and most readers I think -- had with it was the long run on sentences. There are a lot of these in the prologues and Kyon's monologues/rambling thoughts. Another thing is the metaphors which will throw you off badly especially if you only have vocabulary from a certain field.

But you don't really have to worry about missing out on important parts of the story because Koizumi is always there to explain shit in a retard friendly way which is helpful for people who don't exactly have 100% reading comprehension.

The rest of the problems you will have are the same you would find with any other book/VN. Vocab vocab vocab. Nagato will spew physics/astronomy/sci-fi jargon at you constantly and Koizumi uses some ultra final boss form of keigo when he talks but you'll get used to it by the time you finish volume 2 especially if you're mining diligently. But of course, nothing like the chuuni VN bullshit.

That said, the most important thing I should mention is that it is a very, very fun read. My opinion probably doesn't count for much since I'm not a book expert or anything but the narration by Kyon is lighthearted and charming unlike the boring prose of, say, Flyable Heart.

Oh and I'm preparing for the N1. Just finished going through all the grammar exercises in Shin Kanzen Master but I might chicken out and not take it if I don't think I'm well prepared enough.
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>>138701704
うらやましいぜ

初心者の時読書パワー上がるって事をよく感じるだよねね
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>>138701987
>Nagato will spew physics/astronomy/sci-fi jargon at you constantly
That's great actually. As a physics/math major, I'd like to learn those eventually.
Anyway thanks for your detailed reply. This definitely looks like a fun read. I'll start it as soon as I finish NHK. Good luck for N1 anon.
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>>138702090
Oh shit, you're reading Welcome to the NHK?
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>>138701987
>Koizumi uses some ultra final boss form of keigo when he talks
what did he mean by this?
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>>138702143
Yep. It's quite an interesting read actually, I was surprised. The narration is great too.
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Is there a basic kanji list to start from? Most of the stuff from the resources in OP's post go straight to average level kanjis
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>>138702424
Not really no. But if you really want to 'learn' kanji the way the Japanese kids do (aka. the 教育 kanji), then go for the Basic kanji book, it's in the CoR, under 教本.
The usual method around here is either to study kanji individually with KD/RTK/Kodansha or to go for the Core 2k and learn kanji through vocabulary.
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>>138702496
>Core2K

Stop it

seriously

If you're a beginner you should be using the yotsubato reading pack instead of core2k
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>>138702556
No point in doing the reading pack if you're never gonna read Yotsuba&!, stop baiting beginners.
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>>138702607
>never reading yotsubato

but why
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>>138702556
Core2k is great man.
>>138702643
I could say the same of many, many manga I like.
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>>138702257
I accidentally skimmed your post, thought that you wrote NHK Easy News instead and framed my response like you were a beginner. Whoops. I don't think you'll have any problem with the run on sentences then since you already have experience reading.

>>138702225
I really can't be arsed to dig up an excerpt for you right now, but the CoR contains scans and azw3.
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