Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1293

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all.

Just give up.

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Enjoyable and compelling content

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>>133526321
Don't try to drag us down to your level.

>>133526322
The middle class is strong with Steve. If only he didn't unironically endorse stock market capitalism.

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>>133526322
>tfw compelling content is chinese

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>>133526561
Not all moege are easy throughout.

>>133526985
Are you trying to tell me my images were cherry-picked? For shame anon, for shame.

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あなたが日本語は無理だ。諦めなさい〜。

So does anyone in the world actually give a shit about the stroke order for ロ?

>>133527140
Yes. More because it's easy to guess it just by know the general rules of stroke order.

>>133527229
Are there any other characters that are a square?

>>133527140
Yes anon, in fact, normal natives give a damn about stroke orders of every character.

Word of the day: 電気機器

ノーコメント

>>133527091
出来るよ！あなあがDJTの敵だ！

>>133527431
>ノーコメント
何か覆おうとしてることがあるか

>>133527387
They don't

So I've been doing Anki for two weeks now.
I am able to recognize a few hundred kanji pretty easily while doing drills, but when it comes to just reading actual japanese text, I'm having a hard time recognizing words. Wat do?

>>133527878
read more

>>133527909
Any suggestions? Preferably something relatively easy

>>133527812
いや、別にそういうことでも
コメントの必要はないって意味です
言葉のおかしさは十分あきらかですから

>>133527946
Yotsubato

>>133527946
Yotsuba

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>giving any shit about stroke order

>>133527866
Not in the sense of thinking it's important, but in the sense that they do it the correct way because that's how they've been taught and doing it in a different order is generally understood to be wrong. Stroker order is not just a suggested order, it's the correct order and the only one that is so.

>>133527878
>two weeks
Be more patient. This is a process that takes years not days.

>>133528014
It's easy as fuck to learn it so why not? Not knowing correct stroke order is only going to earn you ridicule.

>>133527986
>>133527990
That's boring as shit, though.

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>>133528072

Remind me again, what's the easiest way to turn a word from a text hooker (AGTH?) into an anki card?

>>133528112
Then you should find something that fits your shit taste on your own

>>133528132
Copy paste to firefox, press R
vs
Copy paste to text document, run through epwing2anki

>>133527946
K-on.

>>133528112
Anything you read at the beginning will be boring because you'll read very slowly and have to look up words or even grammar all the time.

>>133528150
>firefox, press R
Is this a rikaichan feature or is there a separate add-on? I get nothing when I press R.

>>133528132
>make a jap text parser
>run the individual words through epwing
>import

>>133528197
That's why I recommend starting with porn. Even if it's not fun, arousal will god-damn COMPEL you to go through it.

>>133528283
I can only fap so many times

>>133528252
It's rikai-sama and it has to be set up. There's a guide on the rikai-sama website.

>>133528252
Rikaisama feature, Anki Realtime Import.

>>133528283
not that anon but I never found that all that reliable.
Sometimes it works, but other times you just want immediate gratification and go look for something in english.

>>133528360
>other times you just want immediate gratification and go look for something in english.
At times like that you need to exercise your RADICAL FREEDOM and control yourself.

>>133528283
I think a better idea is going for short stories in general. Something like manga that has ended and only has a couple volumes of it or some of the shorter VNs.

Basically something you can finish and feel you have accomplished something

>>133528112
Just give up.

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>>133527091

気持ち悪い…その魂なき笑みを消えさせたい。

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oh yeah lets put fucking pink test on a orange fade background i love it

>>133528632
You might have sight problems.

>>133528659
what if I do? am I not allowed to enjoy weebshit?

>>133528696
>hurr hurr hurr I'm blind so anime should have a commentator explaining everything the characters are doing so I can understand what is happening and enjoy weebshit

>>133528696
Read from the texthooker window. I have to do that when I start getting tired.

>>133528751
what does that have to do with anything? are you okay?

>>133528780
Anyone that isn't blind can read the text in >>133528632 perfectly fine, fuck off faggot

>>133528751
>defending that shit color scheme

>>133528825
If you show ANY weakness, cocky autists will attack the fuck out of you to make themselves feel good.

Copying unanswered question from last question: When emphasizing a word, what's the difference between using カタカナ, 『bracket thingies』, or 『コレラドチラトモ』?


>>133528283
This sounds like the perfect way to end up blue-ballsing yourself tbhq family
>Continually having to interrupt your fapping to look up words, double check grammar
>Never get to properly enjoy the content of the doujin while you're puzzling over sentence structure and idiosyncratic kanji
>Frustration at things you can't figure out eventually kills your boner

>>133528773
Good idea. Now to find out why it deletes doubled kana (ここ　becomes こ)...

>>133529037
It's mainly edging, rather than blueballing. And furthermore, it's more like, going through the plot sections as lust builds due to hot setting, and then fapping on the sex scene. And besides, the time period where you struggle a ton over every line doesn't last long at all if you actually read
>idiosyncratic kanji
wut

>>133529037
Katakana is the one you'd generally choose for emphasis. I've only seen 『』 being used when introducing the name of things.

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>>133528659
>>133528809
It looks like shit, though. Here, have an improved version.

>>133529169
Edging, blueballing, whatever, it's still an absolute cu ck tier way of fapping

>>idiosyncratic kanji
Like when the authors uses an archaic variant or different spelling just because

翁を覆う王を追おう
>>133529296
That's not common enough to care about. And also, this is studying while using the urge to fap as motivation to get through plot.

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Some fonts just look like shit and suck to look at, I don't know why people always start getting up in arms about people being blind or whatever.

Why not learn a more useful language, such as Chinese?

>>133529376
No visual novels in Chinese, no anime in Chinese, no manga in Chinese, no porn in Chinese, no Chinese companies near me, no interest in Chinese culture, disappointment that the Chinese Cultural Revolution literally burned and destroyed past culture, etc etc.

>>133529376
>>133529409
Or should I say, the more useful language is the language I'll use more, and I'll interact with Japanese culture FAAAR more than Chinese culture. It's kind of like why one would choose to play video games, watching TV, or reading a book instead of spending all their spare time studying marketable skills.

>>133529331
The う on 覆う is pronounced う though.

>>133529668
I never would have guessed

>>133528995
this desu

One of the biggest problems with these threads is people acting like they're hot shit because they know something that someone else doesn't or they don't have a problem with something that someone else does.

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I started adding images to my mined deck

>>133529806
Sounds time consuming

>>133529706
Fuck off whinny shit. You're the problem with this thread.

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Heisig or Anki for kanji?

>>133529818
I think it's worth it if it's a word you can find good images for.

>>133529843
?por que' no los dos?

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Friendly reminder that this is how you should be reading.

>>133529827
Whining is no worse than being an ass. I guess the only difference is that you can pretend unabashed hostility is indicative is somehow good for the thread quality as some people have implied they do.

>>133529806
Images are cancer. You're better off without them.

>>133529914
>everything I don't like is "cancer"
Nice post.

>>133529893
>unabashed hostility is indicative is somehow good for the thread quality
英語でおｋ

>>133529914
Care to explain why?

>>133529827
Hey DJT-Japanese-Expert-sama, while you're at it wanna try answering my question?

>>133529037

>傘

this kanji makes me happy

>>133529934
They are, though. Especially the ones like yours that have nothing to do with the word itself.
>>133529958
They give you a meaningless and confusing memory hook. It's ultimately far easier if you treat the kanji as the "picture' for the word.

>>133529827
Your inferiority complex is showing. You're like one of those little dogs that bark all the time to act like they're tough.

>>133530072
>Especially the ones like yours
>everyone I'm talking with is the same person
>>>/r/learnjapanese

>>133530004
I already did. Search nip wikipedia for 二重鉤括弧 if you want more details. They're used basically as alternative quotation marks and for names of things, but are some specifics regarding when「」 is preferred to 『』 and vice-versa.

>>133529876
google docs guide says that "this method expects you to learn all the common characters before even getting started on learning vocabulary" (about Heisig), so I was unsure of whether or not I should use both at the same time.

Should I just settle with RTK?

>>133530072
Doesn't RTK do this too except instead of a picture it's a word

>>133530085
Man I hate those little shits so much
Sometimes they bark for hours

>>133530085
Stop projecting please, it's gross.

>>133530098
You're basically a drone anyway, so it isn't really necessary to treat you as a separate individual.

>>133529876
¿Por qué no los dos?
Si vas a escribir en español, hazlo bien.

Would someone be so kind as to help me in understanding this sentence:

友達がたくさんいて皆が好きだ。

I don't understand what いてis doing/why it's being used.

[He] has a lot of friends and(?) [he] likes everyone.

Is that it? I can't find anything on "いて" I hope it's not a typo.

>>133530158
You use Anki to review RTK shit -- at least that's what I did.

>>133530158
You can use anki for just kanji you know. I believe there's even an RTK deck.

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>>133530210
RTK gives you a full-blown shit story.

>>133530270
It's just the te-form of いる.

>>133530302
That's why the deck gives you koohii stories

>>133530302
I'm not sure why this book is so highly praised. It seems to me that it just adds more pointless things to remember

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>>133530271
>>133530270
Oh.

Sorry for being retarded.
Any link to the RTK deck? There's around 50 decks on https://ankiweb.net/shared/decks/heisig .

>>133530312
Thank you; that makes sense now. For some reason I thought いる　conjugated as いって ... but that's 言う's te-form, right?

>>133530362
It's good of method of memorization. It really works. The book itself is pointless though since you can easily make up your own silly story.

>>133530362
Because it teaches you to write 2000 kanji in two months. Good luck doing that without mnemonics.

Correct use of DJT:
1. Grab the resources, leave and learn.
2. Come back only to ask questions about something you don't understand, providing wrong but somewhat credible information as a reply and get the best responses from showoffs.

>>133530419
>but that's 言う's te-form, right?
And 行く's, but 行く is an irregular verb.

>揉む
>(v5m,vt) to rub; to crumple; to massage; to argue; to have a heated discussion; to train; to coach; to jostle; to crowd; to shake; to rock; to have various experiences (out in the world); (P)

what the fuck

>>133530443
/djt/ is all about getting your dick hard by trying to humiliate others, to be honest.

>ボルテージ
>excitement; enthusiasm
Interesting way to warp the actual meaning.

>>133530376
Try a couple and see which one you like. I made my own because I have OCD.

I also browsed the kanji.koohii site for help on coming up with stories and alternate primitive ideas.

>>133530376
koralice a cute

>>133529037
>what's the difference
Nothing. It literally doesn't matter, it's just whatever the author feels like.

Why do so many people have this question?

I asked this last thread but never got a proper response:

>桜は去年のように早く咲かないといいですね。

Why is it that this means, "I hope the sakura don't bloom quickly like they did (bloom quickly) last year" and not that "I hope the sakura don't bloom quickly, as they didn't last year"?

Hey guys. Is this correct?

A: 小さいと大きいとどちらのほうがおっぱいが好きですか。
B: 私は大きいのほうがずっと小さいより好きです。

Seems correct but I'm not sure. I'm creating these short sentences and exchanges based on examples on the grammar I read.

>>133530495
>to massage
This is the important one, 揉む is for fondling breasts.

Why しよ instead of しお？

>>133530927
Too lazy to fix it but there are multiple points where it's wrong/awkward Japanese

>>133530843
>"I hope the sakura don't bloom quickly like they did (bloom quickly) last year" and not that "I hope the sakura don't bloom quickly, as they didn't last year"

～Vないといい is a standard sentence pattern meaning "it'd be nice if it didn't V".

オナニーをしない と　いい, "if you don't masturbate, that would be good."

AとB just means something like if A then B, と is a conditional particle here.

Does that help?

>>133531053
Because they aren't the same
Even a dumb burger should know the difference

>>133531198
The romaji is the same. Are they pronounced different?

>>133531309
>shio
>shiyo
INDISTINGUISHABLE

onomatopoeia words trigger my asmr every time

>>133531309
Yes they are pronounced differently. One is pronounced しよ and the other is pronounced しお.

That said, when speaking quickly they kinda blend together. You're probably thinking of しようがない which is the original expression, which gets compressed down to しょうがない when speaking.

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>>133531309
The romaji isn't the same
What the fuck are you talking about?
Do you mean しょ? But even that doesn't have the same romaji and it's clear it's pronounced very differently

>>133531309
>She Oh
>Show

>>133531337
>>133531417
>>133531438
>>133531452
The list I was looking at had しよ as "sho", hence why I was confused and asked about it. Okay, cool, thanks.

>>133531070

A: 小さいと大きいとどちらがおっぱいが好きですか。
B: 大きいのほうが好きですよ。

Would this be less awkward exchange? I'd be happy if someone could point out where I'm plain wrong if that's the case. Awkward is to be somewhat expected at my level of 日本語.

>>133531476
THAT'S NOT しよ THAT'S しょ
RAUS with this stupid bullshit

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>>133531438
>romaji

>>133531147

Yeah, I get that, but how are you able to determine that they're saying it'd be good if it didn't bloom fast (like last year when it bloomed fast) or it'd be good if it didn't bloom fast (like last year when it also nicely didn't bloom fast)

>>133531518
>どちらがおっぱいが
This can't be right, どちらの maybe?

>よ
Sounds girly.

>>133531518
You should only try to produce once you've reached at least n2 level.

>>133531476

>>133531526
This.

Small "よ" for しょ, りょ, etc.. I could maybe understand if you made that mistake from handwritten shit, but this is pretty damn basic for hiragana.

>>133531518
>A: 小さいと大きいとどちらがおっぱいが好きですか。
小さいと大きいおっぱいのどちらが好きですか
>B: 大きいのほうが好きですよ。
大きいほうが好きです

Something like this

>>133531589
Perhaps this will help:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/similarity

I likely know much less than you though so I can't be of further assistance.

>>133531526
>THAT'S NOT しよ THAT'S しょ

>>133531656
>Small "よ" for しょ, りょ

Wait, so there's a whole different character that's those two with one smaller? Uh, okay I guess.

So with a small よ it becomes "sho"? Because if so, I repeat my original question of "why not しお", except now it's an entire superfluous character.

What am I missing here?

>>133531779
しよ shiyo
しょ sho
しお shio

>>133531779
Because they are not the same. Shio and sho is not the same thing.
The guide tells you how to learn kana, go read it please and stop asking stupid shit

>>133530440
>>Because it teaches you to write 2000 kanji in two months.
Which is a largely useless skill. You could've learned 2000 words in the same amount of time which would be far more beneficial.

I'm not saying writing has no value. I write, but only to get a better understanding of the character (writing it out stroke by stroke lets me get a feel for how the character "fits together" and emphasises the differences between similar characters). I don't do it in order to learn how to write characters from memory because there's no situation where I'll ever need to do that.

>>133531837
Is "shiyo" really different from "shio"? Can native speakers tell that apart?

>>133531706

Well nothing in that link really seems applicable, guess I'll just have to try asking again later. Or perhaps it can just be interpreted both ways but that negative construction usually means the such.

>>133531779
Go watch Tae Kim and come back when you can comprehend this. He explains it at the end of his hiragana chapters.

>>133531873
"いお" and "いよ" should be discernable as long as the hardness is emphasized on "よ"

>>133531873
Anyone who isn't deaf should be able to tell them aprt.

>>133531873
Yes, they aren't part of the same syllable in the latter case.

>>133531873
If you're using Rikaisama (like you should be), mouse over しよ and しお and press "f". It'll play and audio clip. The difference between them is quite clear.

>>133531662

Thanks! Textbook I was using instructed on:

"1st choice + と + 2nd choice + と(のほう)が" structure.

Example sentence I was basing my exchange was:

僕と建くんとどちらのほうが背が高いです。

Probably quite awkward but I presume it's correct.

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How hard is Sengoku Rance?

I played some of it in English ages ago but never got round to finishing it.

>>133532216
If you replaced 僕と建くん with 小さいおっぱいと大きいおっぱい it would work, you would just end up saying おっぱい twice

>>133532238
That game got too hard with the demon shit

>finally get around to playing HotD
>the story finally makes sense because I can read it and not listen to the awful voice acting
The script was pretty clearly translated by someone with no idea of what was happening on screen, and voiced by people who didn't even understand what the series was about.

You've got shit like なんてこと... translated as "what the!" upon seeing a girl grieving for her mother.

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>>133532238
>>133533001
>some foreigner going to japan, destroying every single army in there with his superior western tactics and intelligence, then raping every woman he sees with his bigger white rod

Holy shit I never realized this
Why are those japs such disgusting kekolds?

>>133531911
>桜は去年のように早く咲かないといいですね
All right, I have a theory...
Whatever comes before ように is what is describing the appearance/state of the cherry blossoms. The part about them not blooming quickly comes after this and is follow by といい -- so you're saying it would be good if this isn't true. Since you're talking about what would be the good outcome, the state of the cherry blossoms would have had this good outcome happen last year -- this part is implied.
Yeah. Fuck; I know I didn't explain that clearly, but it makes sense to me.

>>133533305
>kekolds
fucking japs censoring me

>>133532744

So i-adjectives can't be used by themselves in a sentence structure like that? Both 背 and おっぱい are nouns so the "がおっぱいが好きですか" part is correct and would work for example with a sentence like this?

アスカとレイとどちらのほうがおっぱいが好きですか。

Thanks for clarifying this stuff for me. I find it very helpful trying to produce sentences on my own.

>>133533320

Oh, yeah I can buy that.

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こんなのあったけど、役に立てるかな？おにいちゃん
http://messier.coln.biz/TKG/other/kodomo_kanzi.html

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>>133533305
It's a bit sad how things have turned out, really. In the past japs were always the ones doing the keking.

>>133533675
Keking asians is so easy it should not even count as keking

>>133532216
It's correct but it sounds stiff and textbook-y.

>>133533372
>アスカとレイとどちらのほうがおっぱいが好きですか。
On this one you would drop ほうが

As for the grammar rules around these things, ask someone else. I only know what sounds natural

>>133533728
A samurai would've chopped your head and dick off, mate.

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>>133533477

妹さん、皆にアヘ顔を見せないか？

>>133533372
You should think of 背が高い as one thing, it's kind of a set phrase rather than NがADJ.

>>133533859
His shitty katana would break at the impact of any cheap medieval armor and thick Aryan muscles.

>>133533728
t. wimpy white guy who's never seen a vagina.

>>133533776

Yeah, these sound definitely more natural. Thanks, back to studying.

>>133533934
Katanas don't break, they bend.

>>133533971
I once seen my mom's when she was getting out of the shower.

>>133533971
fuck off finncukc

>>133533904

Indeed! Now that I checked in out with Rikaichan I see it is a expression. Textbook didn't seem necessary to mention that despite using it in an example sentence.

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>read a whole LN page in less than 60 seconds
Feels good.
inb4 posts about reading it in smaller amounts of times

>>133535560
I read that page in 15 seconds.

Mainly because I first tried to the read the first two Kanji and then noticed that it's a name which has furigana attached to it.

Uh-huh, I'm hardcore.

>>133535560
I really fucking wish that these threads could just be for beginners again. Do you seriously have to come in here to brag about how after 10 years of study you can read a whole page in under a minute?

We get it dude, you've been doing this longer than the rest of us. Quit bragging.

>>133535654
I fucking knew it

>>133535671
I hope you're being ironic with that post. Otherwise you completely missed the joke.

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This is what I learned Japanese for.

>>133535744
I'm sorry I didn't make it obvious enough for you, man. Do I have to say "100 years of studying in a Japanese language school" for you to get my joke?

>>133535744
I hope you're being ironic with that post. Otherwise you completely missed the joke.

>>133535807
Don't you try to pull this shit with me, dude.

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>>133535807
I'm the poster and I got the joke.

>>133535890
How long does it take you to get through an average page?

>>133536063
I'm halfway through page 12 and I started just page 9 six minutes ago according to 4chan, so I guess 2-3 minutes.

>>133535890
Reading this in Sugita's voice is pretty fun. Did the Haruhi novels ever end? If so I might just pick them up.

>>133535890
It's always weird to see what words they decide to give readings for. 強?

>>133536203
Ongoing according to wikipedia.
I'm enjoying it too, the anime scenes play in my head, and I'm reading it in their voices too. I'll probably stop reading just to watch the anime again.

>美ちなる方へ
>"On the way to becoming beautiful"
I'm confused though, what exactly does the ち in 美ち mean? Is it some sort of adverb?

>>133536451
It is read びち, which is short for びっち
>"On the way to becoming (a) slut"

>>133536451
It's probably some kind of archaism.

I'd also be inclined to believe that this means "Towards beautiful people", as in directed at the beautiful people, like a product or a speech directed at the beautiful people.

What's the context?

>>133536536
It's a song title. Here's the lyrics if that helps: http://j-lyric.net/artist/a053810/l023bc8.html

>僕は美ちなる方へ行きました
That seems to mean "I'm on the way to becoming beautiful." doesn't it?

>>133536854
No, it means that he walked towards the beautiful person.

Before you ask, I have nothing at hand to back this claim up with. All I can tell you is that I know that なる is used together with some other words to make them adjectives.

The claim I am making is based on almost two years of learning Japanese and a lot of reading and I may also be completely wrong with my assumption.

>>133536972
>>133536536
I just listened to the song and they said "みちなるほう" not "みちなるかた"

>>133537142
Drink...

>>133537171
Are you sure it's not supposed to be 未知なる方へ?

>>133537171
Probably 未知なる in that case.

>>133537234
>>133537248
I'm not the guy who asked the question. But in any case, it definitely 美ちなる because that's how it's written. Maybe it's meant to represent a dual meaning, the beautiful unknown.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs74nK2c4gw

>>133536972
The song's subject is about social anxiety and going outside to live your life though, which makes me think he's referring to a conceptual way of becoming beautiful by living your life.

>>133537171
That supports my translation, right?

>>133537234
>>133537248
No, it says 美ち on the tracklist.

>>133537310
>Maybe it's meant to represent a dual meaning, the beautiful unknown.
Probably. The singer of that band likes to use puns and really intricate wordplay a lot, I've heard.

A piece of advice I can give is to not try and force your English hobbies onto Japanese. Time and time again I try and find an equivalent of something I like doing in English in Japanese and it always results in failure. Do not fall for this urge, just accept that there are some things that just aren't available in Japanese and find something new.

>>133537522
What could you be thinking of? I suppose as someone who likes books and video games, it's pretty easy for me to find Japanese stuff in my hobby.

>>133537522
>A piece of advice I can give is to not try and force your English hobbies onto Japanese. Time and time again I try and find an equivalent of something I like doing in English in Japanese and it always results in failure. Do not fall for this urge, just accept that there are some things that just aren't available in Japanese and find something new.

I think you forget that 99% of us have only anime, manga, and/or video games as hobbies.

>>133537574
But then again, like, how would you hike, lift weights, knit, etc in Japanese? I really don't know what he's talking about

>>133537619
>But then again, like, how would you hike, lift weights, knit, etc in Japanese?
Find videos and literature about it in Japanese.

>>133537566
For example there is much fantasy literature, there isn't really any mmo's. Yes you can go out of your way and find something but it will probably just end with a mediocre experience and regret. There are other examples that I won't post here because I don't want to be bullied.

>>133537646
>I don't want to be bullied
You can tell us anon. We won't laugh at you

Can だから ever be placed after a verb or is it more like Subj1 + が + Subj2 + verb だ + から ?

>>133537642
That's just extensions of reading.
>>133537646
Uh, there are tons of Japanese MMOs.

>なるべく楽しいフリをするさ誰だって
>Everyone's pretending to have as much fun as possible
>憂鬱になると気ずけば誰もいないんだ
>There isn't anyone feeling melancholic
This isn't right, is it? I definitely thought the second line was "if you become depressed, you'll notice everyone is gone".

>>133537646
>I don't want to be bullied
It's an anonymous site. Even if people laugh, you can just continue on to the next conversation with a new "identity" unless you post like a cancerous faggot like that one Makifag or that hormonal Charlottefag.

>>133537946
I just don't feel like getting into it because it will probably start an argument.

>>133538000
Just say the names and don't participate in the ensuing discussion or whatever. No harm done.

Do you guys happen to know some good apps for learning chinese?

>>133538000
/djt/ will argue about literally anything, though. Don't underestimate the power of several highly autistic lazy people being in the same thread.

>>133538033
Rosetta stone.

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>>133538097

>>133537794
だから is just だ+から so wherever a だ can go, so can a だから. If you can't put a だ, use just から.

ここで待っているから、急いでください
I'll be waiting here, so please hurry up.

お茶が好きだから、毎日飲みます
Because I like tea, I drink it every day.

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>>133538171
>11 months ago
I'm here forever, aren't I?

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>>133538219

>>133538213
Cool. Thanks

>>133538270
Where's the one where we talk about feminine dicks?

>>133537931
You are correct

>>133537931
>Everyone's pretending to have as much fun as possible
This なるべく is referring to the フリをする not the 楽しい. Should be
>Everybody is trying their best to look like they're having fun.

>There isn't anyone feeling melancholic
Yeah, this is completely wrong. What you said is almost right, but the 気づけば is more like "before you know it".

Where's this translation from?

>>133538439
He found it on some site where anyone can submit their translations.

This girl's translations seem to be closer: https://shinjukueki.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/美ちなる方へ

>>133538421
>>133538439
Thanks, the guy had a Japanese username so I was cautious. It was just some site called jpopasia.

>>133538551
I dig that translation a lot more but she didn't even attempt to translate or make a note about the title so that makes me cautious.

>>133538775
I honestly think we're the first English speaking people to catch onto that double meaning. I asked a friend who's known Japanese for about 5-6 years about the title and he really didn't understand what they meant by ”ち”, and neither did this thread till someone brought up 未知.

Which is really, really cool. That's such a neat little tidbit to figure out.

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>>133538984
Feels nice. He probably read that as びち instead of みち, that's what happened to me.

>>133539067
If you like that song I'd recommend looking through the rest of his lyrics. He has some really nice ones.

Like this one where he uses リスか to ask if she's cutting her wrists or if she's a squirrel.
http://j-lyric.net/artist/a053810/l02ab30.html

>>133537931
>気ずけば
Shouldn't it be 気づけば?

>>133539260
This is the kind of thing that makes me lose my confidence, so I will pass

>>133539262
Yeah, but people write ず for づ a lot in practice.

>>133539304
Don't worry anon, we'll all get there one day.

>>133539428
>Yeah, but people write ず for づ a lot in practice.
I've never seen it used for 気づく。

So Kore2/6k is wrong here right? One of the cards says that 背 read as せ is height/stature, but Jisho says it should read せい in order to mean height/ stature.

>>133539585
Now you have.

>>133539612
Sounds like a common typo then.

>>133539585
Pretty sure it's just a case of a native fucking up spelling

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>japs making fun of Americans
I don't have to stand for this, we won WW2 single handedly.
I'm obviously being facetious

>>133538270
post more

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>>133539602

>>133539751
Yes, but kore2/6k is specifically saying height/stature which has an entry in Jisho with a different reading, I'm just trying to double check with someone that knows the correct words.

>>133539695
I wouldn't call it a typo. It's not like they're hitting d instead of z by accident. People just write it wrong, like a lot of people write "grammer", to give an example that's relatively common here.

>>133539730
Why? Just scroll up.

>>133539807
The kanji has multiple readings and 背 on its own in a sentence is usually read せ and means the height of something

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>>133539871
I want the images with my some of my posts in them as I didn't save them

>>133539844
I've never once seen a person write "grammer" and if I did I'd insult them

>>133539960
>I've never once seen a person write "grammer"
I see it all the damn time. It's just something that happens.
>if I did I'd insult them
That just makes you shallow and pedantic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7E-aoXLZGY

>>133539960
You see people fucking up they're, their and there on 4chan all the time

>>133539960
I see it a lot, but that's beyond the point. Call it what you will, 気ずく is not an uncommon sight, even in LN's and VN's it pops up here and there.

>>133540005
Must be during burger power hour.

>>133539989
>>133540005
>>133540029
I think the "they're, their, there" mistake is a better analog for 気ずく than "grammer."

It's just a case of it sounding the exact same and lazy people just fly through typing.

>>133539947
I would've posted the rest but you used that image; sorry.

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>>133539947

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Anyone played Recettear in jap?
I liked the game and it would be fun going through it again in japanese, I don't think it's very conversation heavy but all the item description etc should make up for it

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>>133540157
And then there's this piece of gold

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...!

This is bullshit why do so many vns want me to keep the iso mounted when I already installed the game

>>133540389
I don't think thats ever happened to me in 50-some VNs, exception being Flyable Heart which apparently uses the "TamoGameSystem", maybe you accidentally play a lot of games with that?

>>133540328
林檎ですが、ご不満でもありますでしょうか

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>>133540499

>>133540188
>They inserted jokes and references into the item descriptions (the original descriptions were very basic), and some of the famous lines (Capitalism, Ho!) are purely their work. That's called a Woolseyism, and is used because translating from Japanese word-for-word would make for a very bland text due to the nature of languages.

but that's what makes half of the game

>>133540721
I think Aroduc's post on this matter is the most valuable insight one can have into game translation, to be honest
http://games.seiha.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=60

>>133540997
Not really, because it's a guy with no interest in the game translating a dogshit game that never deserved a patch anyway.

>>133541302
Yes really.

>>133540525
Are they on another planet?

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>>133542219
She's an alien chick from another universe.

>葡萄
The fuck do I need this shit for? I'm not going to write chuuni vns that piss people off by overusing kanji.

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大きな塀を建てなくてはいけませんよ！

>>133542842
http://exhentai.org/s/be1c7eed69/803577-6
You're going to need it to read Japanese

>>133542842
>only chuunis use kanji that are no primary education level
You should drop that fantasy soon.

>have shit memory
>struggling to retain the sounds of even kana, after only 2 days of anki
>cant even remember 30 characters

I'm never gonna make it, am I?

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>>133543580
Nope

>>133543580
Fifty times.

>>133543690
Fifty times? What?

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>>133543580

>>133543748
Write them down in your FUCKING notebook.

FIFTY FUCKING TIMES

>>133543748
In your notebook. Fifty times. Each. Drink beer.

>>133543776
You bitch.

>>133543750
Well I'm doing the youtube videos alongside my anki reviews, I tend to get all the keywords mixed up because so many kana look the same but are just flipped.

>>133543776
>>133543779
Should I write the romanji beside it each time as well? I feel like that might get me into bad pronouncation habits, I'll accidentally use a long vowel sound or vice versa.

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>>133543377
>>133543457

>>133542842
饂飩

>>133543841
>romanji
You messed up.
romaji, roomaji, or rohmaji
(or the first one with a macron)

>>133543841
Whining here about how you can't learn sure as hell isn't going to help. I can tell you that much at least

>>133543886
>not using the superior romanization system
ro-masi"

>>133543847
The VAST majority of hyougai in active use are only used (commonly) in one or two words, though.

>>133543975
Shouldn't it me zi at the end?

>>133543975
>not using the superior romanization system
oroamij

羅馬字だろーが

For whatever fucking reason, I cannot stop mixing up the meanings of 切手 and 切符.
Anyone know a good mnemonic to help me permanently drill this into my head?

>>133544163

Same here. Fuck them.

>>133544043
s -> z is for barbarians
s -> s" if far superior
It encompasses the soul of the Japanese in the least offensive way possible for a pig skinned writing system.

>>133544163
Always keep your ticket with you.

>>133544163
I just don't worry and remember them both as ticket.

>>133544163
You could think of it as you stamp something with your hand.

>>133543748
That 50 times may sound retarded but i actually did for the kana, it worked.
You will never forget that shit again.

>>133544249
>>133544350
Thanks, these both work.

>>133544163
When you go to a bar you get a stamp on your hand, but if you go to the movies you get a ticket, and you have to keep the stub.

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相手してつまらないモノなどたくさんあるとくに日本はね

>>133544443
>>133544350
You are thinking of the wrong kind of stamp. 切手 if for postage stamps.

>>133544524
>doesn't understand mnemonics

>>133544357
>That 50 times may sound retarded
They shouldn't, drilling is a normal part of studying.

>>133544524
Yes but you just need the association, he knows what it would mean I don't think a homophone hurts.

>>133544542
>>133544561
I'd just rather not deliberately make a misleading mnemonic. Just think that when you turn a postage stamp 45 degrees it's shape resembles a 'kite'.

>>133543841
Just get a voiced anki deck

>>133544614
>I'd just rather not deliberately make a misleading mnemonic
>implying 切手 sounds like "kite"

>>133544614
How about "Postage stamps are applied with the hand"?

>>133544163
For 切手 just remember 手 is read as て. You need to remember this anyways.

This will only help with your anki reps and you probably won't recognize 切符 while reading

>>133544651
I wasn't in any way implying that. You'd have to be pretty daft to have trouble making a connection between kite and きって.

>>133544670
That's fine too I guess. I find the kite one more memorable, but no one can choose your mnemonics for you.

>>133544765
I think you'd have to be pretty daft to have trouble making a connection between stamp and stamp.

>>133545006
Surely. Like I said, no one can choose your mnemonics for you, I just personally prefer to keep it tight on the semantic side.

I wrote a story about a Japanese prostitute who makes money speaking broken Engrish to gaijin Johns.

She's my text hooker.

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Why didn't you study japanese today anon?

I was too busy browsing /pol/ for the paris shooting. That place isn't healthy for me /djt/, they make me feel bad about being attracted jap girls.

>>133545716
But I did. I spent an hour reviewing my kana.

>>133545716
Sucks for you, I did 50 words.

Some threads ago, an anon posted this article that makes an argument in favor of re-reading as a technique for language learning:
http://indwellinglanguage.com/reread/

I think re-reading has been helping me a lot to say the least. I don't re-read all the text, only the difficult parts. And for those, I bookmark them or make a save and re-read it a few times over the next few days. It's helped me internalizing and making sense of complex sentences and vocabulary. I'll keep doing this as I feel like I'm progressing more and thanks to the anon who posted the article.

>>133545716
Because I spent the whole day playing games and watching anime

>>133545716

I did 45 kanji from RTK. DJT may think I'm a pleb for using Heisig, but once I get them all down, I'll show you, I'll get N1 proficiency in 3 months.

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がんばれ、おにいちゃん

>>133545716
I've been watching Glass Mask. It is the most compelling series I have watched in a long time. I've watched 40 episodes since yesterday. It was so hard to tear myself away from it to do my reps yesterday, and I have to do it again tonight. If I didn't have an 8 month streak going, I would probably skip my reps to keep watching.

>>133546078
If you do a single review, anki counts the day as having been studied on.

>>133545716
I did my reps, did some listening, added some cards, have been doing reading in an IRC window all day.

>>133546204
I don't count it though. I have to finish my reviews and go through my new cards. I don't always get all of my new cards out of the learning phase, but I get them started, which is what counts.

>>133546313
Oh, I thought if you were concerned about actually learning, you wouldn't care about a "streak", so to speak. Not in a condescending way btw.

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>一人でも多くの人を助けたい
Anyone know what this means?

>>133546597
Even if I'm alone I want to save as many as possible

>>133546597
Even if it's by myself, the enthusiasm of wanting to save many people wells up inside me.

>>133546710
>>133546729
http://vocaroo.com/?upload

>>133546078
>Glass Mask
Looked it up and damn, looks like something I would like. Not sure how I've managed to miss it.

Might just put conan on pause and watch this one instead

>>133546790
It was probably hidden among the fuckton of nigh identical shoujo

>>133546776
What?

>>133546343
Sometimes all it takes is one missed day to make you quit. If I never miss a day, I'll never quit, and I'll make it. I've quit so many times that I am pretty much an expert.

>>133546790
I think you will enjoy it. I stayed up 5 hours past my usual bedtime because I literally couldn't stop watching it.

>>133546846
He (not the questioner/original asker btw) believes you are both incorrect and are those challenging you to post a vocaroo in order to point at what he expects to be bad accents and say "haha these guys suck"
>>133546864
Very wise words. I've never quit anki before so I wouldn't really know what it's life.

>>133546864
Are you watching the 2005 version or the 1980s version? Both?

>>133546776
http://vocaroo.com/i/s10n1Kx7GiwS

>>133546998
damn son sounds almost native to be honest family

>>133546951
2005. I don't like the art style of the older one.

>>133546898
>He (not the questioner/original asker btw) believes you are both incorrect and are those challenging you to post a vocaroo in order to point at what he expects to be bad accents and say "haha these guys suck"
I couldn't decide who was making more shit up so I just quoted both of them. They can't both be good TLs.

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>first 2 episodes set to high priority
Going to watch one or two episodes and hope I can stop so I can go to sleep

61 episodes of conan left

>>133547188
Shut up, you're not me and didn't post the vocaroo link. It's a harmless (if unclear, sorry) joke at this point.

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>>133547188
I believe it would be "I want to save as many people as possible" without the "even if I'm alone part".

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>>133546597
>一人でも多く

This shit is eternal.

>>133547188
They're both valid.

>>133546710
Translated just your quote while
>>133546729
translated the whole sentence from the image.

>>133547243
I would just say "I'm alone, but still".
>>133547256
Wait, is it special?
>>133547261
>Translated just your quote while
None of us are the original asker. Don't blow it out of proportion.

>>133547261
>They're both valid.
I have some bad news for you, but I think you know what it is already

You can't learn Japanese

Anyone fluent care to elucidate what's going on here? It's becoming a problem.

>>133547309
>is it special

No it just pops up here occasionally and there is usually if not always an argument concerning the meaning that follows.

>>133547358
Nice. I like it.

>>133547355
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1432201464

この場合の「でも」は、おっしゃるとおり例示でしょう。

忙しいので本当は多くの人に手伝ってもらいたい状況ですが、「１人でも」と、わざと極端に少ない人数を例として示すことで、本当は多くの人に手伝ってもらいたい、ということを暗に示しているわけです。

「猫の手でも借りたい」も同じですよね。
猫の手なんか借りても実際には役に立ちませんが、「猫の手」という極端な例示をすることで、本当は逆だ、いくらでも（もちろん人間の）手を借りたいんだ、ということを暗示しています。

There you go.

>>133547188
If you want to be anal about it, here's a more proofread translation:
>Even if it is by myself, the drive to save many people wells up inside me.