Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1292

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なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！

Time spent shitposting is time spent not studying. If you're about to engage in a silly argument or off-topic discussion, close the thread instead. Use your time productively!

Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!

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I still can't find anything I want to read.
Does Mein Kampf have a Japanese translation?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
The only place success comes before work is in the dictionary.

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あなたが日本語は無理だ。諦めなさい〜。

>>133484605
Sounds like you should have learnt German instead

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おにいちゃん

Is there an engaging way to memorize kanji? Anki is great for retention, but I'm having problem short term problems, I can write it down 50 times with stroke order but an hour later it looks Klingon.

>>133484900
RTK

Hey guys, I'm thinking of getting a tutor on iTalki because I want a native to practice with because speaking is still hard for me.

Have any of you used the service and have a tutor you could recommend? I just go there and want to pick the cutest girl...

>>133484935
>go to that site
>first I see is a non-native teaching 5 other languages
This is bullshit

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This image was created as a parody, don't attack it to say the third image isn't hard, we get it, your dick is big

>>133484899
なんだ？

>>133484983
You just pick the actual native speakers teaching the native language.

If you look at non natives teaching you'll see that they don't actually get any lessons except that black guy Niam

>>133484900
Did you do a radical deck, like you should have?

>>133484986
What the hell are are the organizations in the third one?

I never can get those.

>Learn for a while
>Stop
>tfw it's harder to understand people now

神様、許してください；＿＿＿；

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>>133485120
The game doesn't tell you either, there's a in-game dictionary you have to use.

>>133485119
Yes, but the more convulated the kanji is, the more stupid it becomes to construct a "story/reminder" or whatever you want to call it using them. I'll just end up blankly staring at it like trying to figure out who the murderer is in a story I've only read 2 chapters of.

tfw can't pass N2

>>133484986
did they mean CQC or what

>>133485187
Just remember the radicals the kanji had in a sensible order. You don't need some weird story.

>>133485352

I've been told learning the radicals is the first step to learning Kanji.

I've also been told I have to learn the radical meanings, but I've also been told radicals have no meaning of their own.

Which one is it?

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>>133485589
Don't kanjis with the 3 drops radicals usually mean something related to liquids? Sounds like a meaning to me
I'm sure there is something else

>>133485589
Sometimes they have meanings but sometimes they don't. Sometimes the meaning changes. Sometimes they mean something 90% of the time, but in the remaining 10% seem to be present at random.

>>133485589
複雑だなｗ

>>133485589
>I've also been told I have to learn the radical meanings
You need to learn their "names" but only because otherwise you'll not remember the kanji. Think of it as keywords more than anything else. Though often their names/meanings/whatever are pretty helpful.

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>>133485164
>a game that comes with its own dictionary

>>133485668

like this?

乙 = fishhook radical
亠 = kettle lid

also, some radicals double up as actual kanji on their own, is that going to be a problem?

>>133485809
Sure.
>is that going to be a problem
They'll be easier to recognize because you already learned them but otherwise not really.

>>133485589
The only ones you really should know the meaning of are the basic ones like fire, water, tree, heart, person, etc.

The other ones are usually complex/used in complex enough kanji where knowing the actual (or your own arbitrary) meaning isn't really helpful. Unless you're into mnemonics, in which case obviously having names or something for radicals would be helpful, but a lot of people are fine without doing that.

>>133485639
氵is a variant of 水, if that's what you're talking about.

>>133486112
What? How

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>>133486136
Just is bro

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>>133486136
With a bit of creative magic.

What I think seperates DJT from most learning communities, is quite surprisingly, the desire to actually learn Japanese, as metaphorically represented by the kanji 鼠. A normal person learning Japanese wouldn't bother with it and would just learn ねずみ or something. But a DJT person would know they need to know all the kanji they can in order to read fluently, and so would learn it, and feel good when they saw 濡れ鼠 or some such. I bring this up because I just saw someone mention how you only need 2,000 kanji and the rest aren't needed for actually being proficient in Japanese, which I can see but is not something I agree with

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>>133486602

When did your reading speed become decent?

>>133486825
As soon as your grammar is good enough your "potential" reading speed will MAX out, almost close to native level speed (50-75% no doubt). At that point the only thing holding you back will be vocabulary, and your speed will be 100% determined by both your vocab level and the vocab level of what you're reading. If I read a small SOL nukige then I will finish almost as fast as a native. If I read a hard plotge then I will be slow as fucking hell.

So the question of when your reading speed becomes decent is, it's when you become familiar with grammar which should only take 3-5 VNs to sort out all the minor stuff that trip people up and slow them down, e.g. るな -> んな. At that point vocabulary will be everything.

>>133486661
Delusions of grandeur are common signs of puberty.

>>133486661
>>133486602
Do you think you can post this and not tell us what it's from?

>>133486990
I don't think learning more kanji is much grandeur. I just say it like I see it. Also, treating other people like kids is a sign of insecurity.

北東南西
These are all basic grade 2, N5 kanji but you know fuck if I ever see them while reading. I guess this is why newspapers are important

>>133487039
Was supposed to be >>133486602 and >>133486707

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>open up nukige
>this is literally the second or third line
What the fuck? 瀟洒? Author you're writing for a nukige don't get cocky. I actually had to find 瀟 by just clicking 氵on a radical search and going through the bottom results. Wowee. Well, at least that's another for the kanji grid. The ride never ends everybody
>>133487169
The higii one was 左巻き式ラストリゾート by 海猫沢めろん

Two babby-tier questions here:

I've noticed that the Japanese R-sounds are sometimes pronounced more like R and sometimes more like L. For example, in my core 10k anki deck the pronounciation for 来年 sounds more like "lainen" than "rainen", while something like 来る has a much more distinct r-sounding pronounciation ("kuru", not "kulu").
Does the pronounciation of R change depending on context or is it just something else (dialect, personal preference etc.)?

Similarly, N- and G-sounds are sometimes pronounced like NG (上げる sounds like "angeru") - is this also just based on dialect/personal preference or is there any rule to how the pronounciation changes?

>>133487169
It says in the top left corner of >>133486602, but if the kanji is too hard to make out, it's 愚物語. It's part of the Monogatari series.

シルヴィは何をすることもなくただそこにいる


Does the なく turn the entire "何をすることも"-clause into an adverb that modifies いる?

Reading this page from Tae Kim's guide:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/define

>主人公が犯人だったというのが一番面白かった。
>The most interesting thing was that the main character was the criminal.
Why is "という" needed/used here? Wouldn't "の" alone suffice here?

Same goes for the other example sentences:
>日本人はお酒に弱いというのは本当？
>Is it true that Japanese people are weak to alcohol?
>独身だというのは、嘘だったの？
>It was a lie that you were single?
>リブートというのは、パソコンを再起動するということです。
>Reboot means to restart your computer.

>>133487106
>北東南西
>These are all basic grade 2, N5 kanji but you know fuck if I ever see them while reading. I guess this is why newspapers are important

A lot of Kanji made the cut because of its use in names or government documents even though they rarely appear anywhere else.

>>133487767
たたずんでいる　んだよ。おにいちゃん

>>133487236
The Japanese don't actually distinguish those as separate sounds.

The best advice I can give is this:

When forming an R/L in a Japanese word, don't touch your tongue to your teeth, but to your upper palette.

This isn't a native thing, but it'll help you learn the sounds.

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The more I read Japanese the more pissed I get at English for using periods in dialogue so much. It's just plain unnatural.

>>133488264
What? Periods are put where there's a natural pause.

>>133488362
Not for me, anon, not anymore

Err
そんなに痛くはないです

Is this correct? Can you actually use the topic marker on adverbs?

>>133488130
I'm not a native English speaker so I already roll my Rs naturally, which isn't that far off from the Japanese pronunciation (or so I've heard). Was just curious about the R/L distinction, but I googled around for a bit and found this:

>If you ask a Japanese person to say a word like renraku fast, and then gradually ask them to say it more and more slowly, you will notice that what initially sounded like an r becomes an l as they slow down (usually earlier on for women).
>If you tell them that they first said an r and then an l, you will surprise the heck out of them as they usually have no idea about this and will probably be unable to tell the difference.

So I guess native Japanese speakers can't even distinguish the sounds even if they themselves use both interchangeably. Would guess it's the same for N/NG and G/NG.

>>133488517
Yes, Japs that learn English have a very hard time recognizing, for example, spoken "walled" and "ward" as being different.

>>133488583
I'm pretty nervous about getting good enough to fuck up しょじょ・しょうじょ type stuff

>finally know all my hiragana

I CAN learn Japanese!!

>a little more than three weeks until JLPT N1
Quick, I need to revise my hiragana list

>>133488583
not surprising since english only has that pussy ass bitch r not a real R

>>133489123
>pussy ass bitch r
Say "right" using both "r" sounds. The English "r" sounds way more forceful and masculine. The romance language type "r" sounds soft and feminine.

>>133489256
Just another case where romance languages suck shit and only JP/ENG are any good

>>133489256
>The English "r" sounds way more forceful and masculine. The romance language type "r" sounds soft and feminine.
are you high

>>133489256
Finnish 'r' is way manlier.

Is there an endless mode for Anki?

A "do this and after getting it perfect 10 times and then add one new card and keep going" mode?

If not, I guess I'll have to make some physical cards and do it myself...

Now I am become kanji, destroyer of reps.

>>133490677
>make some physical cards
why not just make a program to do it? You can probably even make it read your anki deck

>>133490777
Because I'm a programming retard. I can hardly customized Anki at all.

>>133490677
Well, let me just say that Anki isn't based around that because despite what you may thing that's not actually a very smart thing to do.

However you can use custom study to something close to that.

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r8 handwriting

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>>133491088

>>133490896
Yeah, I know. I think it's an okay method for kana though. I need to completely relearn katakana.

It's not that many physical cards just for katakana, I suppose.

I just wish Anki had the option. It would be good when I needed to go over and over just a few cards when I had trouble differentiating them and meanings when they get introduced together. Like all the meal names, and the happening verbs. Custom Study doesn't really help you go over and over them.

Word of the day: 喉仏

こっちはアダム、そっちは仏
なんか、妙な偶然というかそうでもないというか

>>133491166
If it's kana, you can do the "study whole deck" option over and over.

>>133491207

Throat Buddhist? Throat France?

>>133491088
Bit juvenile. Find some adult hand writing.

>>133491166
>http://i.imgur.com/SAxyBBN.jpg

edit the cards, add a custom tag
when you go for custom study choose that tag

It's effort sure, but it'll do what you want

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>>133491364
>url

>>133491364
Ah, thanks! I'll do that for vocab.

I still think I'll just have to make physical cards to get the endless + gradually adding new learning I want for kana. But I'll definitely do that for vocab now on.

>>133491444
how the fuck did that url end up in that post ... I didnt ctrl-v

>using imgur to rip out EXIF data

sue me

>>133491472
>using imgur to rip out EXIF data

Thanks for the tip

>>133491307
>のどぼとけ
>ほとけ
What do you think?

>>133490831
If you can install and run python I can probably make a script for you, I think I already have on that I made for myself a while back

>>133484618
considering how common "must make mom proud" pics are, can't you change this to one that isn't from mind-break doujin?

>>133491558
れんだくをゆるして

>>133491307
What does Buddha have to do with France anyway?

>>133491731
As much as rice has to do with America, dew has to do with Russian or loneliness has to do with Germany.

Wait, that last one actually kind of makes sense I think.

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>tfw I was able to read this guys tattoo

PROGRESS

>>133491973
Did someone say

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1--VY9Neiks

Doing Tae Kim

In reference to が and けど

>Just like 「から」 the declarative 「だ」 is required for nouns and na-adjectives.

Does he mean non-conjugated nouns and na-adjectives, or all nouns and na-adjectives?

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>>133492019
>This video contains content from PONYCANYON. It is not available in your country.

LAND OF THE FREE

>>133492024
>non-conjugated nouns and na-adjectives
What are even conjugated nouns and na-adjectives?

>>133491166
http://realkana.com/

>>133492066
じゃない, だった etc

http://www.weblio.jp/content/洒落込む
>いつもはしたことのないような気のきいたことをする。
Is this saying -
To do something you're not used to doing? I don't really get きのきいた (even knowing it's きがきいた)

>>133491472
4chan started stripping EXIF about a year ago.

>>133492185
oh good to know

>>133492131
Those are conjugated copulas, not nouns and na-adjectives.

To answer your question, the が and けど can come after conjugated copulas too.

これは猫だけど、犬に見える
俺は女だったが、手術の後、男になった
ふつうじゃないけど、僕が好き
この絵はきれいですが、ねだんが高い

>>133492024
体言： だけど
用言： けど

I think?

>reviews steadily going up

end it

>>133492313
I'm just using whatever words Tae is using.

>>133492318
It's best not to mix national Japanese grammar (i.e. school grammar) with the grammar usually used to teach Japanese as a second language. They're two completely different theoretical frameworks.

>>133492394
Copulas: だ, です
Nouns and na-adjetives: きれい, いぬ, ひと, バカ

The first conjugate, the second are inflexible.

>>133492137
pls respond

>>133492137
>気が利く きがきく (exp,v5k) to be sensible; to be smart; to be tasteful; to be thoughtful; to be tactful; to be sensitive
>to be tasteful;

>>133492411
Could be, well then how about
名詞、形容動詞：　だけど
動詞、形容詞：　けど

>>133492500
So to do something *tasteful* that you don't usually do?

>>133492137
More like "to do something uncharacteristically clever/smart" or "to do an out-of-the-ordinary (UUUU) clever thing"?

>>133492563
The example sentence is 家族そろってハワイで正月と－・む which doesn't really sound "uncharacteristically clever/smart" to me

Someone wanna knock some logic onto me so that I can remember this word? It won't stick it. Always ends up last on my reps.

往復

>>133491621
Her will was never broken, you know. The same can't be said for many people here.

>>133492628
Do RTK

>>133492628
You shall forever remember 往復 as "That one fucking word I can't remember". By the power of irony it will be the easiest word for you, from now on.

Is there any reason for writers to choose to sometimes write okurigana differently?

Like writig "向って" instead of "向かって" (even though both read as "むかって")

Also, what does it mean when, in vertical script, there is a "`" or "~" mark to the right of a character (i.e. between the lines of script)?

>>133492511
形容動詞 is a concept exclusive to the national grammar (I just made up this term but I need a word to differentiate it from the grammar taught to foreign learners). They correspond to the na-ajectives, but in Japan they typically consider them words that conjugate, that is, the だ, だった, な and other stuff you put after it are considered mere inflections of the word.

na-adjectives on the other hand are seen as inflexible words, that it, the stuff that comes after it are considered mere particles and copulas just as they are in normal nouns.

The two grammars differ in several other ways, and in some point like in syntactic analysis they're completely different, but the 形容動詞/na-adjective thing is the one you're most likely to come across and become confused about. The way they classify the stuff you put after conjugated words can be the source of some confusion too.

>>133492676
>implying there won't be a few more thousands "That one fucking word he can't remember" in the near future
往復 is in Kore2k.

>>133492547
お洒落 = fashionable
洒落こむ = become fashionable

>>133492681
Trying to be special literary snowflakes

>>133492785
Ça me rends très triste...

>>133492590
In that context "sensible/tasteful/tactful" etc seems more appropriate, given it's about dressing up? Like, dressing up uncharacteristically properly given that you're getting together with the desu senpai? IDK though don't take my word for it

>>133492702
You can call it 国語 here.
Anyway thanks for the clarification, I haven't bothered looking too much into the lingustic side of things, but I've come across the terms a lot when reading Japanese explanations of grammar.

>>133492853
Since when did that autocorrect? Are no dank memes safe from Hiroyuki?

>>133492785
イスラム教信者の移住許していけないね

>>133492785
>A BBC journalist at the Petit Cambodge restaurant says he can see 10 people on the road either dead or seriously injured.

>He says police have now arrived and sealed off the area.

lol BBC arrived before the police

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>>133492785
What does this have to do with Japanese?

>>133492991
>not learning Japanese solely to be able to emigrate there once the mudslimes take over Europe

>>133492991
The main reason I am learning Japanese is so I can escape from Europe when the muslim takeover finally comes. I know, immigrating to escape from immigrants is ironic but there's no other way.

>>133492991
Nothing.

>>133492785
>>133492833
>>133492929
>>133492979
Fuck off. There are better places to talk about this. This isn't a chat club.

>>133492785
This is off-topic

Let the normies shoot each other up. Discuss Japanese

>>133492759
Do you think it actually makes the writing more "aesthetically pleasing" for Japanese people?

>>133493040
But then you will be the refugee

>>133493039
>>133493040
Or emigrate to a small town where Muslims don't go because all they know about your country is (insert biggest 2 cities here)

>>133493039
>>133493040
You sound like some crazy /pol/tards. Take it over there.

>>133492681
>Is there any reason for writers to choose to sometimes write okurigana differently?
Maybe he pressed space bar twice when typing by accident.

>>133493103
It's common sense, Muhammad.

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All this talk of national grammar and 洒落込む has made me pretty depressed, I was feeling pretty good about everything but now it feels like I'm way over my head. Japanese really is hard

>>133493101
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/31/german-town-of-100-gets-enriched-by-750-migrants/

>>133493103
It's a serious issue, ask any European.

>>133493101
>>133493103
>what is a joke

>>133493225
fuck off

>>133493217
Basically every language is like that, it's not worth getting depressed about. Just stop to think about english for a second. There are a ton of subtle, implied, contextual rules, meanings and associations that you take for granted because you were raised with them. Getting used to them is just part of learning.

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>>133493225
You aren't safe anywhere in Germany. You will have to wait the great European Uprising against the barbarian hordes and the masters who guide them.

>>133493217
Seeing 1 word have about 10 different definitions bugs me more than anything

>>133493333
This is Japanese language topic quadman. Not a German one

>>133493217
I was in the two talks. I'm three years in right now and I just learned this thing about the grammars a few months ago. It's nothing but useless trivia anyway, there's no need to know about 国語 (national grammar) unless you actually want to learn old literary Japanese.

As for the 洒落込む, that's literally just one word (two if you consider it 洒落+込む), there's no reason to beat yourself that.

Cheer up anon, I hate to see you sad because of what I said. I'm a lazy fuck who never did too many reps and skipped on them all of the time, plus I don't read half as much as I oughta, yet I managed somehow. You can do it to.

>>133493388
It says the market has been emptied by refugees in "great need", sorry for inconvenience etc. etc.

Does anyone know of any japanese-language style guides? It bothers my autism to not understand why authors choose to sometimes write a word in kanji and in other times in hiragana (and still in other times in katagana)...

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>>133493423
>unless you actually want to learn old literary Japanese.
>plus I don't read half as much as I oughta, yet I managed somehow.
I read a lot too, the thing is, I want to read Muramasa, and a lot of other higher level stuff, so to really be confronted with the fact I'm scraping the bottom of the barrel so to speak (only being comfortable in a bubble of light novels and moeshit) is pretty discouraging for that dream in particular. I'm not too concerned with learning Japanese per se, I'm concerned with being GOOD at Japanese enough to read the harder stuff which would require 国語 and whatnot. I actually had to read some lessons on 古文 in order to get through a section of Legend of Galactic Heroes and that's filled me with dread ever since.

>>133493057
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm27559341

>>133493336
English is the most guilty of that I think.

>>133493423
Is there a lot of old literary Japanese?

Might be a fun challenge, but not if there's only like 10 surviving poems or shitty gossip books about Kyoto courtly life.

Whats the point of memorizing vocab and grammar. When I plug a vocab word into anki and memorize it (and I dont mean memorize the translation, I look at multiple sentences that include the word), I get the same problem a lot of anons get when they learn katakana

they dont see what they memorize in raw material at all, and just forget about it in a week.

So, im wondering. Maybe I shouldn't strive for memorization, but just reading as much raw material as possible. Im not against learning, I think its necessary to read up on grammar points, and to look up translations in a dictionary. But just, the only way to get good at japanese, is just being exposed to it over and over again.

So idk, this has probably been discuss on djt a lot though.

>>133493423
That's like saying that knowing the difference between the germanic and latin roots of english words is useless trivia.

>>133493734
Japan is actually quite famous for how much of their history and whatnot they preserved.

>>133493553
>linking to shit 20th century tier websites just because they are Japanese
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cb0_1447249820

>>133493819
>bitching about Japanese website design

Don't do that. They're infinitely preferable to the utter shit we have these days where everything is designed for normie-phones

>>133493772
The "point" is to ultimately have that information wired into your brain so that your processing speed isn't gimped by having to look things up all the time. But whatever method floats your boat is fine. The end goal is pretty simple but a lot of djters get tangled up in pointless pedagogical debates without even realizing it.

>>133493772
It takes a second to review a card, it's simply the most efficient way to keep that word floating in your memory. Yes you won't understand every nuance or use case of the word just by pressing OK in anki, that only comes from reading. But there are tens of thousands of words you need to know, you can't study each word in depth. Anki is just a shortcut to get to a point where you can start reading without wanting to kill yourself from all the dictionary lookups.

>>133493848
EVERYTHING about nico is complete fucking garbage, not just the design.
You can't even watch without using fucking flash player, and when I still used it I remember half of the time you had to watch the video at 360p (and still slow as shit) because "servers are overloaded, buy premium now!"

>>133493772
The problem with just reading and not using anki is that, for one, you'll need to consume a LOOOT more content to get the same density of new material (20 minutes of reviews + 10 cards would have more unknown material than several hours of reading, for me). For me, personally, learning kanji is really hard through plain reading considering how rarely some pop up. I've read 20 some VNs to completion and some manga, but I saw 瀟 for the FIRST time today. Who the fuck knows when I'll see it again? But when I do see it, I'll want to know it, and the same is true for tons and tons of other kanji that collectively appear frequently enough to be necessarily but individually appear quite rarely.

You can learn through pure reading. Anki is just a supplement tp reading, it can't stand alone. But it's a really fuckin' good supplement, and if you drop it I think it will bite you on the ass.

>>133493848
haha wow
>implying the Japanese internet isn't the one that's completely geared towards either current mobile devices or 90s era home PCS.

>>133493900
>during every funny scene
>WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW(・ω<) (;´ρ`) (;´д｀) (；◔ิд◔ิ) (｡･_･｡) (｡･ˇ_ˇ･｡) (｡･ω･｡) (｡･Д･)ゞ (｡◕ฺˇε ˇ◕ฺ｡） ₍₍ ◝(●˙꒳˙●)◜ ₎₎ （[∂]ω[∂]） (」`o´)」(／`o´)／ (」・ω・)」(／・ω・)／ (＠´,,・ω・,,｀＠) (＠'ω'＠) (* Ŏ∀Ŏ)･;ﾞ.:’;、 (*｀･ω･)ゞ (*｀益´*) (*´･ω･)(･ω･｀*) (*´ω｀*) (*´ω｀*) (*＾＾*) （*＾-＾*） (*・〜・*) (*・ω・) (*‘ω‘ *) (*∂ω∂*｀) (*∩ω∩) (*≧∀≦*) (*ﾟÅﾟ；*) （*థ౪థ） (*ﾟｪﾟ*) (*ﾉ∀`*) (*ﾉ∀◕ฺ*)σ (/ω＼) (つд・) （#＾ω＾） (#•v•#) (•̥̀ ̫ •̥́) (•^u^•) （•_•） (〃･ิ‿･ิ)ゞ (° o°)! (°o°:) (=ＴェＴ=) (＝ω＝.) (>｡<;)y-~ (∞ ั ⊝ั ) (∩´･ω･`)⊃ (≧Д≦) (╬＾д＾)凸 (●´⌓`●) (●´ω｀●)ゞ (●￣(ｴ)￣●)ゞ (●￣ω￣●)ﾉ (●'ｗ'●) (◕‿‿◕｡) (◕ฺ ▿ฺ ◕ฺ) （◞‸◟） (◡‿◡*) (ฺ◣д◢)ฺ ( Д ) (´∀｀艸)　 (óò)ﾉ (‿)ノ ( ﾟдﾟ ) (╹◡╹) (◕ ‿◕ฺ)ノ))｡₀: *ﾟฺβyё βyёฺﾟ*:₀ (◖◡ ◗) (ฺ◕ฺ‿◕ฺ） (ฺ◡ฺ‿ฺ◡ฺ) (〒ó〒) (íoì) (o^冖^o) (o'ω'o) (òロó) (oﾛo)!! (ò皿ó) (p*･ω･`*q) (p*･ω･)p (pдq｀｡) (T^T) (ｙ^ω^ｙ) (ΦωΦ) (ლ╹◡╹)ლ (ㅎωㅎ*) (ᇴ‿ฺᇴ) (つ´,,・ω・,,`)つ (っ´ω`ｃ) (っ*´∀｀*)っ (つД・) (つД⊂) (ノ)ω(ヾ)　o＜´ω｀＞o　(((･ω･))) (ヾﾉ･∀･`) (ヾﾉ'д'o) (ー∀ー；) [>=<] ༼ꉺɷꉺ༽ (　´・ω) (´・ω・) (・ω・｀)

I fucking hate the Japanese, why am I learning their language....

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>>133493900
>EVERYTHING about nico is complete fucking garbage

>>133493848
You're a retard
A good part of what makes jap internet so shit is because they browse it through 10 years old dumbphones, just look at their image / textboards
Thank God the White Man took imageboards and evolved them into what they are today

>>133493935
Because you aren't smart enough to learn Chinese and glorious 5,000 years of history?

>>133493935
I ask myself that at least once a week

I despise Japs. Every time I forget why, I'll end up talking to one during a language exchange, then I'm immediately reminded why

>>133493998
Chinese languages are easier. Grammar is a joke, and all the characters generally have 1 reading

Only difficult part is tones

>>133493998
5000 years of 焚書坑儒

>>133494045
Good grief. What historical event led to the creation of that word?

>>133494079
I dunno, maybe the Chinese burning books and burying Confucian scholars alive?

>>133494002
>>133493935
>Medieval-tier feudal rice farmer language
>wondering why it's shit

>>133494022
>>133494045
Dear japanese shills, could your insecurity complex re the Chinese BE any bigger?

>>133494128
But we already speak a medieval tier feudal wheat farmer language

>>133493900
This. Pretty much any website made by the Japanese is utter trash that would've been outdated even by the standards of 10 years ago.

>>133493998
>and glorious 5,000 years of history?
You mean the 5,000 years which were erased from history in the "cultural revolution"?

>>133494183
Medieval period had ended before Modern English came to be.

Old English is a great language anyway.

Wheat > Rice

>>133492785
8 gunmen with AKs and grenades
Also they took hostages apparently

>>133494183
Yes, a medieval tier language that has been developed for over 500 years since the renaissance (not to mention the massive linguistic developments before that resulting from the norman invasion).

Whereas on the other hand Japan was literally a feudal society until ~150 years ago

>>133494293
at least 45 dead and around 100 hostages
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/619339/Gunman-Paris-Restaurant-Explosion-Bar-Stadium-Charlie-Hebdo-Fire-Dead-Casualties

>>133494195
Bourgeois reactionary pls go

>>133493527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO6iUPCfLGs&list=PLKRhhk0lEyzM-XOmo9F55BoRlPSSivcVd

I learned the いろは of 国語 from this series. It's a pretty decent introduction and it's very well presented. After it I feel like I might be able to start tackling more advance stuff.

>>133494347
Time to return all muslims back to the shithole they crawled out of

>>133493772
anki is supposed to give a first "boost" so reading is not a pain and then work as a very secondary supplement to reading. It's not supposed to provide you with all of your vocab.

>>133494525
Not all muslims are the same. Terrorists are just a small (albeit vocal) group within muslims.

>>133494612
How many words until you should jump into reading. 1k?

>>133494662
1k or 2k it doesn't even matter you will still be looking up kanji and words more than doing any actual reading

>>133494662
1k is enough. I didn't even have that when I started. The more you get the softer the blow will be. The problem is that I hear core2k has a lot of useless words that you won't see very often. If only somebody would make a weeb2k.

>>133494662
You can start any time, but 2k is the latest you should wait

>>133494691
>>133494706
>>133494707
That's what I was planning to do. Get to 1k then start my own mining deck. Almost done with Tae Kim as well.

Thanks!

>>133494347
If it turns out these shits all came from Syria, I hope that treacherous bitch Merkel gets responsibility for this.

>>133494631
It only takes a small minority to do this. Do you see Buddhists going on shooting sprees across Europe? Nope. It's always the fucking Muslims. They even do this shit in their own countries to each other on a regular basis.

Is it just me or is it far less frustrating to forget the meaning of a word than it is to forget how to say the word?

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>>133494347
たすけて

>>133494757
Good luck. Just don't get too down when Japanese rapes your ass. It hurts the first few hundred times.

>>133494758
Merkel won't be held responsible for anything until the people themselves decide to.

>>133494772
Forgetting the reading seriously pisses me off.

>>133494519
>tfw i could understand pretty much everything in this video.

Thanks anon you made me feel slightly less terrible.

>>133494758
She won't. It's more or less a certainty she's going to win the next election

The Germans are fucked

>>133494347
It's at least 60 now.

>started studying a year and a half ago
>emotional breakdown
>didn't study for 3 months
>trying to force myself to study again
Deep down I want to give into the knowledge that I can't learn Japanese.

There's a million topics and websites and shit for you to discuss normies blowing each other up

Take it to there.

>>133494911
>terrorists
>normies

>>133494800
I started modifying the way I think about cards on anki to put emphasis on how to read the word rather than emphasis like I was doing before and I'm already noticing an improvement.

Even doing their readings in reverse order foces me to pay attention to what the reading is for each kanji

>>133494911
I hope the next grenade those muddies launch will go through your window, faggot

>>133494937
Depends on whether they're lone wolves or not. Lone wolves may or may not be normies. Terrorists who operate in groups are normies by definition.

>>133494776
日本に移民してイスラム教の熱狂的信者を避けたらなんとかなるね、おにいちゃん。　頑張って！

>>133494937
Do they routinely fap to drawings of cute little girls? Then they're the same as normies to me.

>>133494904
A year should be plenty of time to get good enough to read porn well enough to know you can make it

>>133494998
Muslims are pedos by definition.

When you're learning katakana in realkana, do you find it more helpful when to do hiragana and katakana separately or together?

>>133494904
I know that feel desu senpai. You should study because it's fun, there's no need to force yourself. Don't be so hard on yourself anon, I know you can do it.

>>133495030
Do hiragana first and then katakana, after that review them all at the same time
It doesn't even matter, just do them. If you forget some kanas you will easily get them while doing core

>>133495001
Well, it's a year minus the 3 and a half months I spent sleeping. I was only really beginning to get into reading.

I'm going to spend a week trying to do grammar (+Anki vocab) intensely before I fully delve into reading.

>>133495059
At least it's shown me that the stuff I know, I actually memorized long term, since my score coming back to Anki wasn't completely awful. I hope we both make it, bra. Prayer circle.

>>133495030
You're going to come across them so much in reading, that it doesn't matter which way you learn them.

It'll be slow and crappy at first though, but that's Japanese learning in a nutshell. Slow and crappy

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>>133494519
>mfw listening to that video

Why doesn't the op include an easy and comprehensive list of Japanese TV channel streams?

>>133496346
Streams die a lot

>>133496408
Man would have never stepped on the Moon if everyone had that attitude.

>>133495612
The videos are aimed at a middle school audience, if that makes you feel any worse. The good news is you could probably follow it with a comparatively small amount of listening practice, emphasis on the comparatively.

>>133497260
I followed it pretty fine actually, I posted that image too soon.

>>133497207
If something like that were to be added, I'd prefer it to be a quick guide to finding links yourself. Or at least be a link to an unlisted pastebin/spreadsheet that can be edited by someone who cares to update that since the guide maintainer probably doesn't want to be constantly bugged about new / dead streams.

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>page 10

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>native speakers

>was going to watch anime
>terrorists start shitting up paris
>spent 4 hours listening to news
Fucking terrorists and their bullshit distracting me from anime

>>133500581
watch it in japanese, fag

>>133500603
>trusting nips to properly translate the English sources they get
kek

>>133500686
The sources are all French in the first place

>>133500133
What the fuck happened to make the person post that thing?

>>133500866
He used が when he should have used は

>>133500866
He filmed his three-year-old son smoking cigarettes. It's all over Japanese news.

>>133484986
Good thing chuunige are uniformly shit so you can just enjoy good things.

>>133485728
It's not that uncommon. Steins;Gate has one, and that game isn't particularly difficult to read.

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>>133501268
There's lots of pretty nice scenes in Innocent Bullet, in most moege I get bored in between ichaicha or whatever because the authors don't give a shit about writing anything meaningful, but in Innocent Bullet I find myself generally engaged with what ever's going on.

>>133500995
I raff'd, thanks.

>>133501120
I see, seems like something to commit sudoku over.

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rate my autism

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Wew lad

>>133502101
how fluent are you?

>>133502217
I have no doubt if those stats are real he's pretty fucking fluent

>>133502296
i want to hear from the man himself what he can do and what he still struggles with

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>>133502101
45 more autistic than me

>>133502296
He could easily be some sperg who has spent hundreds of hours grinding kanji in Anki, but still can't form a proper sentence.

>>133502439
>23,000 mature words
At that point he could converse fluently just by chaining nouns and gesturing

Anyone else feel that they can learn kanji and memorise its meanings, but forget it all when they see it in a sentence?
I'll see two kanji I know put together, and have no idea what wording should be applied.

>>133502296
They are real and I think you just underestimate how much there is to learn. Still working on getting better because I'm no where near native level reading speed yet.

今日も己が必ず日本人になる事になる

>>133502494
Because memorizing meanings of kanji isn't anything. Are you finally realizing how shitty RTK is?

>>133502528
This, to be honest.

>>133502501
I read a lot of nukige and moege and despite having only 6,000 words in anki I read pretty damn fast. Muramasa or heck a political article would slow me down a lot but for casual reading I'm pretty fast. Can't speak for shit though.

>>133502528
I should have said "reading"
I see two kanji put together, and don't know what readings should be applied.
Would it be more effective to memorise the spelling of individual words?

>>133502809
>If I want to learn words, should I do so by learning words or by not learning words?

at last

a tangible reason to learn japanese

so i can move out of islamité

>>133503282
You may go, but they'll follow.
http://www.sankei.com/politics/news/140313/plt1403130006-n1.html

>>133505098
合

>>133505098
てがきでは、ひだりの字形のつかってね。おにいちゃん

>It's easier to read Japanese on my phone than it is on my home browser.
How do you guys unfuck your fonts?

>>133505747
M E I Y R O P L U G I N

>>133505775
I'll check it out, thanks nig.

>>133486136
Because chinese characters used to be written differently. Here's an actual explanation.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/水#Etymology
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/河#Etymology

I don't want to do my reps or read. I just want to keep watching ガラスの仮面 with English subs.

>>133506218
>with English subs
cant learn jap

>>133506323
Listening practice is too hard. If it is a series I am interested in, I want to be able to understand it, and if it is a series I am not interested in, I don't want to watch it at all.

I wish I was a person who enjoyed rewatching things, but unfortunately I am not.

>>133506416
Hence, can't learn jap. What part didn't you get?

>>133506323
>implying english subs are bad for listening practice
You can't learn Japanese

>>133506436
Can deaf people learn Japanese? If they can then so can I.

>>133506723
Well you're not repping or reading so there's only one place for you.

外人でも日本語ができるはずなんだよおおおおおおおお！！！

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>>133506942
Almost anon, almost.

>>133506942
お  で  わ  ご
早  き  た  め
う  ま  し  な
下  せ  に  さ
さ  ん  わ  い
い             だ

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>>133507160
>お早う下さい

ニーハオ
皆さん、今日の日本は曇ある
アニョハセヨ
サイチェン

俺わ日本

ぼく　わ　じゃぱｎ　です

俺は趣味が多すぎる（笑）
時間が少ない (;﹏;)
助けて

僕は韓国人。僕も日本語を習いたいです！

>>133507922
ニートになって
４ｃｈ行くのを止めれば
なんだってできるよ！

あとはつまらない趣味をやめることかな
日本語と数学だけでいいんだ

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>>133507922
Join us

>>133507448
>アニョハセヨ
I don't know why foreigners have so much difficulty pronouncing Korean.
>anyeo(ng) (hi/bye)
>shiba(l) (fuck)
>oppa(n) gangnam style
shit always bothers me

>>133507994
>>133508032
２月まで言質がないのに、常に暇つぶししてゴロゴロする。
５ヶ月間日本語を勉強してるけどまだ苦手。うまくなりたい。
俺の趣味はギター引くことや絵描くことや日本語習うこと。よく忙しくなる。
ニートになったのが知らないけど、怠け者になった(;_;)

Excuse my unreadable Japanese

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こんにちは
お元気ですか
日本語はうまくなりましたか
こんどいつあえる

So I heard there was a tsunami in Japan. Was it actually big enough to cause damage?

>tfw I started learning japanese to understand my music collection and can understand most of the lyrics now

Nothing feels as good as this

>>133508758
No it was like 30cm high

>>133508778
>>133506118

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I'm just getting real dang tired of looking up vocabulary. I know it'll be at least 2 more years of this, just constant look-ups, and I'm tired of it. I only do 10 words a day in anki, maybe I should do more, but I dislike anki just as much as I find looking up vocabulary to be tedious. So troubling. I just want to read a wiki page without being stumped.

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>have to learn math symbols in addition to kanji
Shieeeettt

>>133509519
You don't know that symbol?

>>133509537
Really, anon? Is that what you want to do?

>>133509546
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_operators_and_symbols_in_Unicode
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/≒

>≒ (U+2252), which is used like "≃" in both Japanese and Korean

>>133509636
Yeah, I looked it up.

>>133509663
then there's nothing to complain about

>>133509681
What the heck are you talkin' about, dude? I was just making a light joke, not making a serious complaint or anything.
inb4 "it wasnt funny"

>>133509731
it /really/ wasn't funny

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>>133509743

>>133509731
I enjoyed your post.

Is there any reason not to just get all my reviews done in the morning, and then do as many new cards as I have spare time through that day, instead of having a set 30 cards or however many that I must do each day.

>>133510267
Your reviews will quickly rise to unmanageable levels if you're not careful.

>>133510267
More new cards = more reviews

Do 50 cards a day, and you're going to be faced with around 500 cards to review. If you find your current review load quite high already, then don't increase the amount of new cards you're doing.

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きょうのdjtはしずかなのん

>>133510958
>きょう
こよい

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>>133511115
まだよいのくちなのん

>桜は去年のように早く咲かないといいですね。

Does this mean "I hope the sakura doesn't bloom fast like it did last year" or "I hope the sakura doesn't bloom fast, the same way it didn't bloom fast last year"? And how would I say whichever one it isn't then?

>>133509624
Just started Haruhi, huh.

>>133511966
>去年は早く咲いてしまって、残念だった。今年は遅く咲くといいよね

だよ。おにいちゃん

>>133512107
じゃ、他の意味をどう言える、妹殿？

>>133512164
>桜は去年のように遅く咲くといいですね。
でしょう？

俺の息子は大きいいですよ：ＤＤＤＤＤＤＤＤＤＤ

>>133512339
>息子
>チンポの代わりに
お前は穴を食べる？

>>133512262

>遅く咲く
>早く咲かない

But it's the same shit, how can one say a sentence like >>133511966 means one or the other, shit's confusing.

>>133494893
At least 127 now

>>133512420
>どちらかといえば、早く咲いたと言えなくもない気もしなくはないとも思えない。

さあ、どっちだとおもう？おにいちゃん

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>イスラム教は日本を征服する
>アニメはハラムになる
>日本語を学ぶ理由はもうない
どうすればいいのかな

What are the rules for 猫語?
>all なs become にゃs, eg そうなんだ becomes そうにゃんだ
>put にゃ at the end of every sentence which would otherwise have an ending like よ or わ, eg そうですよ becomes そうですにゃ
How's that?
Also are there any quality texts written entirely in 猫語?

>>133512546
>早く咲いたと言えなくもない気もしなくはないとも思えない
the fuck is this even trying to say, you lost me imouto.

>>133512546
>早く咲いたと言えなくもない気もしなくはないとも思えない。
すなわち「はやくさいたとはいえないとおもう、おにいちゃん」？

>>133512745
すなわち「あたしは、早く咲いたか、遅く咲いたか、覚えていない」だよ。

>>133512791
なんの関係だこの話？！覚えてるか覚えてないか知るカァァ！！

Saturday night in Japan negroes. Recommend me what type of poison to drink myself to sleep with, and what to watch while doing it.

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>>133512987
やーい、引っかかったでゲソ

>>133512995
bleach while watching bleach

>>133513083
ひどいよアノんくん

>>133513222
アノんくんってだーれ？知り合い？

>>133513246
とーっても頭の悪い子よ
しかも童貞で学校でみんなに嫌われまくってる！
彼としゃべってはいけないよ

>>133513290
ほんとに悪そうだねー

>>133513354
お前だよ

>>133513359
いや、お前がな

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>>133513359
>>133513441
>ur a stupid head
>no, ur a stupid head
>no, ur a stupid head

I think I'm just gonna wait until I know more words before I do any intense reading that isn't a shounen manga

>>133513491
口論に横から口出しするんじゃねえよこのブスが

>finish reps
>time to learn 20 more cards
>up to 400 words now
>new cards come

>七

What the fuck?

>九

Seriously?

Literally impossible to know which reading the deck is showing me in future reviews.

>>133512420
so is there any actual explanation for this, or is it just a pecularity of the language?

>>133514246
Well for those you really have to know every reading by heart

Same with 四

If it does it for any other words just put them on the same card

and if you're /really/ mad, you can just suspend all the number cards. don't let minor qualms get in the way of your learning

>>133514290
It's fine, I can remember them (they were the only 2 cards I retained from yesterday... i think my brain is broken)

Just surprised me that they still throw numbers at me at this stage

>>133514246
>七
>匕

>九
>カ

>>133514371
Not even a thing, they're very different.

When's the last time anything in the OP site was updated?

The archive link still goes to moe, a bunch of links throughout the pages are broken, etc.

Do they need some emailing or should we switch to a wiki because nobody actually keeps track of this stuff?

>>133513558
That's a bit of a beginners trap. Try not to fall for it too hard or you'll be stuck learning vocab forever because you'll never know enough words

Once you're between 1k-2k, you should be starting reading and word mining. It'll suck hard for a while, but that's Japanese for you.

>>133514246
Core is retarded for having both readings on separate cards. More retarded yet is that they separate them but don't give any indication of which card is which (e.g. 七 [1], 七 [2]).

Core is really not very good. The definitions are largely inferior to the definitions given by EDICT, and there are lots of stupid things like what you mentioned (another stupid thing is where they give you a word, tell you one definition of it and then use a completely different definition of the word in the example sentence).

>>133493935
>open up niconico
>annoying fucking TTS voice
>stupid fucking fake "anime girl" voices from every. single. female streamer
>WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW (in robot TTS voice)
>absolute potato quality
>"please become a member to watch further"

At least there's no fucking facecams and 50 billion donation/follow/subscribe alerts though. That's something.

>>133514486
>The definitions are largely inferior to the definitions given by EDICT
Which, it itself, is not quite perfect. But there hasn't been a crusade to fix all the definitions for words included in 6k, so it can't be helped.

>>133514486
Yea, I don't like using core. At all. But I need something to do whilst I'm still learning grammar. Soon as I start reading and making my own deck, the quicker I can think about getting rid of Core.

屁放男

>>133514408
Wikis always end up neglected too. Check out the /a/ wiki or the /g/ wiki, for instance. After the initial interest in them waned, nobody bothered with them anymore.

The guide used to be editable, but that privilege was removed after people kept graffitiing it, both intentionally and unintentionally (unintentionally because Google didn't make you confirm your changed, meaning people could accidentally drag and drop parts of sentences while highlighting them with their mouse).

>>133514557
Welp.

I'll mess around with the idea of a wiki for a few days. If I get something presentable I'll post about it. The problem is for someone to host it somewhere that it won't get immediately taken down like djt.minna was.

How do I only get results from japanese sites in google image search? I search for a kanji but I get chinese stuff, and adding a particle to the end of the kanji dramatically changes what google interprets.

>>133514568
I say no wiki. It's best for us to lay low.

>>133514557
>Google didn't make you confirm your changes*
Fuck. I make so many spelling errors of this type. I always somehow type "d" instead of "s". Even though I'm aware of it, I can't seem to stop doing it.

>>133514595
And google docs is any better?

>>133514584
>How do I only get results from japanese sites in google image search?
Change your locales and shit to Japanese.

>>133514722
I'll still get chinese shit if I search for a kanji.

>>133514742
No, you won't.

>>133514414
Yeah I've been doing that for a while. I'll keep reading manga and stuff but I'll keep away from LNs I wanna read for a while. Not knowing every word in a sentence makes grammar even more difficult but manga stuff is okay.

I have about 1200 mature cards in anki and about 700 young

>>133514817
Searched for 閣 and got https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/太魯閣牌樓 in the first four, tons of other chinese site images too.