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is anime falling behind?

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is anime falling behind?
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Yes.
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>>133405863
The image on the left actually shows more technical knowledge. The perspective is nearly perfect, and the lighting indicates a single, well-defined light source. The rightmost image is "prettier", but the artist is mostly relying on stacked layers of symbol painting, as practiced by people like Bob Ross.

In short: Detail does not make for good art. A solid understanding of fundamentals is more important than fancy grass.
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>>133405863
Yes
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>>133406016
People need to stop being blind detailfags.
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>>133405903
Trigger really needs to get their shit together, the whole song looked and sounded terrible.
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>>133405863
The right one has the lighting all wrong. To the point of being disconcerting.
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>>133406016
>>133406117
>>133406153
What can we do to stop people from praising shitty art? Should art education be a part of the school curriculum?
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>>133406016
Pretty much. Archer's art style is meant to be a bit sloppy, throwing the kitchen sink of background details and obvious jokes (e.g. the sheep) on top of some cheesy scenery designed to look like a matte painting. It's an action sit-com hybrid, so there are actually relatively few settings to deal with in a given episode. You couldn't really get away with that screen for anything more than an establishing shot, while the anime screen would function perfectly well as the background for a longer scene.
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>>133406170
That and pet ed, to prevent injuries/attacks etc.
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>>133405863
Too bad westerns can't draw beautiful character designs for shit. Everyone in cartoons look hideous
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>>133406245

This
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>>133406016
Basically this. Right one has shitty perspective, while left one has good perspective.
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decided to highlight some of the offenses i noticed. there's a lot more shit I didn't cover.
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>>133406245
>muh dick
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>>133406285
>exaggerating just to make a point
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>>133406245
You take that back. I would marry Star Butterfly.
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>>133405863
No
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>>133406335
i'm not exaggerating shit. archer is literally meme art, and it's important to not let people think it's good.
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>>133406016
And both were based on 3d renders, making any argument regarding fundamentals irrelevant. The nip one might actually be 3d altogether.
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>>133406351
>archer is literally meme art
>literally
You mean... ah, no, you actually mean literally. It has serviceable art. Archer is more about interiors and city landscapes, but even that picture is perfectly fine for what it is. If you're point is that it could be better, then yes, you're absolutely right. But there is no way you can argue that it is somehow inferior to the lazy and uninspired left picture.
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>>133406126
Gee, I wonder why
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>>133406285
>>133406016
Is this an elaborate joke or are weeaboos this nonsensically defensive towards any criticism on anime?

Anyway Archer has shit awful flash-tier animation 99% of the time so I'm not even trying to defend that thing.
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>>133406285
>what kind of tree is this?

Who gives a shit?

>tilt?

Yes, the car is tilted, because it is not laying on flat ground. Hard concept, I know, but you'll get there one day.

>too high above the horizon

Yes, but fucking insignificantly.

>no shadows

Are you blind?

>nonsensical shadow

I can't even see a show there.

>giant door

That's the style of home.

>???

Because humans always create perfectly symmetrical walls by hand, correct?
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>>133405863
was anime ever as good as western animation?
would you ever expect anime to be as good as western animation? outside of the bigger movies anime is for a niche audience and the budget is always going to incredibly limited by that.
the only thing you can say about japanese anime is they do more with less, theyve become adapted to having no resources, time or budget, but you can never totally make up that disparity.
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>>133406285
>giant door
>I have never seen an old mountain farm house in my life
>no shadows
>there are shadows literally there
>nonsensical shadow
>there is literally no shadow there
>too high above horizon
>I have never seen a mountain in my life
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>>133406517
The Japanese definitely handle action sequences better. Their usage of frame modulation works incredibly well for action, and shows that you don't always need lots of drawings to depict motion in an appealing fashion.
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>>133405863
I dunno you tell me.

<<<< Kungfu Cooking Girls movie if any wondering.
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How come nips don't into stop-motion?
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>>133406642
anyone*
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>>133406517
>was anime ever as good as western animation?
Well, it's hard to say. It's more about style than everything else. But you have to compare like with like. Mainstream anime vs. mainstream cartoons is a hands down victory for the nips. If you're talking about sheer quality and mastery, though...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubeVUnGQOIk
reposting because this version has the less faggy kid singing. Also, no HD, unfortunately.
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>>133406656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_4e0oJeu1I
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>>133406662
>not appreciating the delicate voices of the castrato
Plebus maximus
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>>133406302
It has nothing to do with wanting to fuck characters.

There are tons of anime artstyles, westerns are simple unable to make characters look visually appealing.

For example, a cartoon character will never look as good as pic related, which is weird considering how good European artists were at creating faces in the past, especially during the Renaissande period.
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>>133406706
Neither are castrati, by plebeian friend. And there are no such thing since the early XVIII century.
Better quality version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu-LIjg_S7Y
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>people hate precisionism now
Why live.
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What's with all the /co/ fags posting on /a/? Did something happen to their board?
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>>133406784
Yes. Someone posted bait on /a/ and people actually decided to give legitimate opinions.
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Many old anime have detailed, traditionally painted backgrounds.
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>Cherrypicking
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>>133406117
>>133406016
>muh detail
>forced detail
>artificial detail
i can see it now
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>>133406016
It's subject to interpretation. Shut the fuck up.
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>>133406245
>Too bad westerns can't draw beautiful character designs for shit
Modern Japs can't either for the most part. It's all inferior to what they were doing in the 70s and 80s.
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>>133405863
>animation
>jpg
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>>133406784
They're just hanging here until their ban gets lifted for being racists.
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>>133406992
>realism is up to interpretation
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>>133407003
>no gigantic eyes and skimpy clothing
0/10 terribad designs
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as an anime fan, yes and no

Anime as a genre has been weakened by an inbred, regressive practices which tainted the medium to a degree where a rebirth is necessary
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>>133407003
>no shading
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>Everyone itt
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>>133407099
Why can't they hire real actors in Japan?
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>>133407003
>tfw born in the wrong generation
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>>133407076
i see shadows under their chins, more than comblr shows have to offer
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Where's that guy who tried to argue that Steven Universe or something had better backgrounds than anime? I know you're in here.
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>>133405863
That's some really shitty composition.
Is the west even trying?
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>>133406245
>implying Cosmo isn't sexually beautiful
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>>133407099
You forget the fact that America has human rights
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>>133407401
>simpsons VAs
>humans
more like jews demanding their pound of flesh
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>>133407328
I want to impregnate him.

>>133407099
>Still image comparison
What this image fails to discredit is:
1. The Simpsons is a gigantic global thing, the voice actors alone probably get salaries comparable to the budget of an anime film.
2. Compared to anime, Wetern animation has a lot more movement. Western animation directors simply cannot get away with the (sometimes hilarious ab)use of still images and speedlines that are common in anime.
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>>133407450
>Still image comparison
I'm doing what OP is doing. Educate your comrades first before you try to lecture me.
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>>133407401
The greatest country on the planet deserves the best rights.
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>>133407450
>Wetern animation has a lot more movement

The character models are also generally comically simplified caricatures that don't even try to imitate realistic movements, making things kinda easier.
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hayao miyazaki's films look as good if not better than lots of disney films.

Why is it that it only takes about 35 million dollars or less to make their films, but cost 100-250 million dollars to make disney films? what are they spending all that money on?
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>>133407534
I hear comcast is imposing data caps. Is that that why you can't afford larger images?
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>>133407099
whats the film on the right? Looks beautiful.
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>>133407585
commiefornia has unions
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>>133407609
Lurk moar
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>>133407454
>coppelion
>good backgrounds
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>>133407585
Hookers and blow. It's always hookers and blow
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>>133407585
Experts who make sure that they don't offend anyone with any scene.
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>>133407450
>Compared to anime, Wetern animation has a lot more movement.

That's not really hard when all of your characters are stick figures senpai.
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>>133407629
dont be a faggot. we cant know everything.
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>>133407585
Marketing niggers like Boyega
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>>133407630
What's wrong with the backgrounds?
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>>133407594
I thought that size is enough to get the message across.
Though my connection is pretty abysmal at the moment.
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>>133407561
Realism in animation is boring, it's a waste of the medium when live-action will always be superior in depicting realistic motion. Disney feature films are the closest thing to mainstream western animation featuring realistic movements but even then their animators exaggerated their work to make it livelier.
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>>133407704
Fuck you, use google search next time

5 centimeters per second
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>>133407534
I didn't mean that in a very positive way though. It's more like high profile American shows can get away with minimal improvements in animation ie. smoother movement and actual shading, while Nips have to compete with whatever 100 shows there are every season at minimal wage.
>inb4 nip living conditions meme
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>>133407401
>Simpsons
>Made in America

Oh I am laffing. Most of it is probably child labor.
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Why cant we all get along? Last I checked Americans love Japs and Japs love Americans

You got Cowboy Bebop
We got Simpsons
You got Castle of Cagliostro
We got Cinderella
You got Princess Mononoke
We got Tarzan
You got Akira
We got Aladdin
You got Ghost in a Shell
We Got Jungle Book
You got Ponyo
We got Little Mermaid
You got Big O
We got Batman

Love eachother.
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>>133407725
I was joking.
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>>133407454
Tbh i watched coppelion only because of pretty art~
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>>133407805
>Why cant we all get along?
that would be boring
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>>133407741

It's waste of the medium when you only use it as an excuse to cut corners.
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>>133407805
Nigga you gay
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>>133407830
shaft turned cutting corners into an art form.
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>>133407757
>google search a uniquely edited pic
are you retarded? I wouldn't even know what to search for.
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>>133407805
>Tarzan
I fucking hate that film. Apart from it being a shitty story with shitty characters, the backgrounds gave no sense of scale or place and the CG was obvious especially in that ridiculous scene where he skates down impossibly long vines.
Every action scene completely ignored any sense of plausible distance and space in favour of "herpaderp it's cool tho".
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>>133407864
cropping works
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>>133406285
some country stone wall doesn't have to be parallel.
the convertible is obviously not on level ground.
what do you mean no shadows?
it's not a harsh light.
>nonsensical shadow
nigger wat

what is too high above horizon?
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>>133406642
>Kungfu Cooking Girls
I remember the 10mn short, did it get a movie too?
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>>133407864
Not him, but it's pretty simple though.
You crop out the image, use that. Done. If not, you can literally just search out the visual cues within the image.
Just be happy the anon actually gave you the source you scum.
>>133407805
You're comparing apples and windows there buddy. And there's more to America than just Disney, like liquidation and company takeovers for example
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>>133407805
You forgot Frozen. That shit is absolutely massive in Japan and I have no idea why.
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>>133407864
You can google "how to crop in paint" if you don't know how to crop.
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>>133407805
This. my favorite Disney film is Hunchback of Notre Dame, and my favorite Miyazaki film is Lupin The Third The Castle of Cagliostro. both are masterpieces in my opinion.
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>>133406016
> but the artist is mostly relying on stacked layers of symbol painting, as practiced by people like Bob Ross.

And this is bad because?
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>>133407061
Why did I laugh?
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>>133407757
>spoonfeeding shinkai movies
fuck off
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>>133407963
>>133407963
>5 Centimeters Per Second
Was that so hard?
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>>133406285
>too high above horizon
That is clearly a hill you fucking loser. Do they not have those we're your from. Back in my home town the horizon is always like that.
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>>133408003
didnt know he also made Garden of Words. pleasantly surprised.
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>>133408041
>tfw you live below sea level
>tfw everything around you is flat
>tfw never even seen a mountain

I should really go visit some other place once but man, I've never travelled, I don't know how that shit works.
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>>133407957
>I have no idea why


- Let it go was extremely popular, even before it hit the screens
- the whole wanting to break free from duties imposed by society resonates with them. same reason why 90% of all anime protags are still in high school and enjoying their freedoms and not salary slaves.
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>>133407450
>2. Compared to anime, Wetern animation has a lot more movement. Western animation directors simply cannot get away with the (sometimes hilarious ab)use of still images and speedlines that are common in anime.
I would agree with you several years ago, but modern Simpsons' animation looks like shit. Sometime it feels like they are just using some auto-interpolating tool between keyframes and there is zero interest at making good movement arcs.
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An interesting post from Peter Chung, a former Disney animator:
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While at Disney studios in the early eighties I showed Miyazaki's Lupin T.V. episodes on vhs tape to a room full of very staunch "classical" animators. They were astonished and enthralled, even though the animation was on 3's and the lip sync wasn't spot-on. It wasn't the quality of the animation they were responding to. Bill Kroyer made the comment regarding what made the films work: "it's 90% layout".
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>>133407957
I chose GOOD movies and shows, not some mediocre CGI film that looks like shit, and has shitty characters.
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>>133408070
Flat sounds fun too I guess.
Also yes, travel if you have the chance, aren't a complete outcast and are still under 30. Assuming you can fund your trip somehow for better or worse it will be an unforgettable experience.
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>>133407984
>Hunchback of Notre Dame
I admit that the character designs and backgrounds are damn good, but the story is plain shit.
The inclusion of the gargoyls ruin it even further since everything looks fucking serious and those shits are way out of place.

tldr: you have bad taste
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>>133406285
What's wrong with the tree?

Yes the car is tilted because the ground is not even.

Are you blind, how can you not see the shadows?

Oh fuck it you're just baiting anyway.
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>>133408095
The animation and characters in the show looked bad, but the background and the attention to detail was incredible. Even to this day, they still look beautiful.
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Does anyone have the NTR webm from The Hunchback of Notre Dame? It's the one where the gypsy and the soldier kiss in front of Quasimodo while he mopes nearby.
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>>133408107
>aren't a complete outcast

Fuck me then.
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>>133408031
If you can recognize 5 cm per second you should probably stop posting and lurk more, you fucking newfag.
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>>133405863
>JK-Meshi

Come on man, you can bait better than that, that show it's basically a flash animation short
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>>133408161
As long as you aren't 100% past redemption. I've seen people who were literally unspoken to in high school bloom over international travel. Came back a new man.
If you're sure you're 100% then I'm sorry. Chances aren't you aren't but you feel like it, though.
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So I heard you guys like animation.

I like animation.

Do you like animation?

I like animation a lot.

It's the best. I'm very animated. Can you tell?

Huh? What's wrong? Why are you running away? Did I say something?
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>>133405863
>jk-meshi
>3 minute short made by litteraly who: the studio with nobudget
>compared to:
>archer
>20 minutes, 6 season spanning on over 6 years produced by various studios including fox

Well, the fact you have tried to compare the two says a damn lot about western animation.
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>>133408114
It was as dark as it possibly get for a Disney film, and I agree the gargoyles were shit, but the story confronted a lot of deep dark issues like reliogion, deformity, and racism. It's very emotional and powerful.

And that Art and animation. Simply gorgeous. looked like moving paintings. The songs were fantastic as well.
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Yes. Leave as soon as you can!
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>>133408212
>jk-meshi
>3 minute short made by litteraly who: the studio with nobudget
>compared to:
>archer
>20 minutes, 6 season spanning on over 6 years produced by various studios including fox
ironic that jk-meshi looks better anyway
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>>133406713
I guess it depends on what you consider appealing.
I'd consider The Warden visually appealing, he has a memorable design that stands out from the rest of his cohorts and speaks to his eccentric personality.

While Ridde there doesn't look HORRIBLE all his design really says to me is "a blonde haired guy" when he's obviously more then that.
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>>133406016
The three upper windows are laughably at a bad angle, the one on the left looks flat.
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>>133405863
No because anime has the best girls. If you have a western style waifu you should be ashamed.
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>>133408064
Lurk more newfag.
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>>133408373
depends on the animation onii-chan
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>>133408194
Well I'm just anxious about it, I've never been away from home for very long long distances, I just have no idea how to organise such a trip.

And I'm poor too so that doesn't help either.
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>>133408403
that doesn't look very animated.
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How did Paperman look so damn good?
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>>133408448
wasn't that basically a tech demo?
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>>133408373

Oh yeah? Maybe you should be ashamed, my Western Wife is better than yours.

Ok, maybe not better than Hana.
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>>133408448
The face on the girl really bothers me in a bad way.
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>>133408460
It was. A demo for the rotoscoping/interpolating tech at Disney. They seemed to want to go back to 2D animation but they need to reduce the necessary budget to do so.
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>>133408403
>>133408475

Well that's fine if you love your waifu. My point was that in general anime pulls off the cute/sexy girl better than western cartoons. And Japan doesn't have to worry about feminazi's cracking down on there shit.
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>>133408448
That shot looks like average 3D though.
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>>133406713
Thunderc-

>animated by Japanese animation studio Pacific Animation Corporation

heh

>>133408569
>want to go back to 2D animation
for small values of 2D
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>>133408644
Well anon, Google gives only so many images.
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Anime is over desu senpai
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>>133408644
>average
looks better than computer games at least. something you can't say about some japanese attempts at CG.
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>>133408669
I forgot that /co/ has difficulty with the idea of downloading the stuff they watch and making proper screenshots.
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>>133408676
>damn
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Was anime ever ahead? I mean lets be honest nothing Japan ever shat out was close to Disney in terms of animation quality, not even muh ghibli
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>>133408611

There are as many sexy/cute girls in Western Animation as any man could need for his harem.

And if you're worried about FemiNazis, you just need a strong, empowered woman to stand up for you.
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>>133408726
Disney is pretty shit desu
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>>133408732
>ecci harem
>west

Pick one
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>>133408691
I don't know what computer games you play, but those models look Telltale-tier. I remember it looked very good in motion, though.
>something you can't say about some japanese attempts at CG.
Fair enough, CG in anime looks terrible most of the time.
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>>133408764

Don't tell me how to live my fantasies!
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>>133407805
What a faggot
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>>133408853
>April O'Neil
>Raven
Refined taste.

Now kick out Tyrahnee and Bubblegum and this is acceptable.
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>>133408853
>Katara instead of Toph or Azula
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>>133408732
great taste, but she will always compare you to the big G.
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>>133407609
>>133407704
>>133407864
>not recognizing Makoto Shinkai
Seriously, I could recognize 5 wallpapers per second screenshots way before seeing the movie, just because seen one, the art style is very recognizable.
What is happening to this board?
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>>133408853
>not posting the bare breasts version
Don't let nipplemod intimidate you, Hiro is on our side.
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>>133407805
>mention that shit that is Tarzan
>doesn't mention Treasure's Planet
What are you, a pleb?
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>>133409139
the exemption only applies for official sources, not fanart
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>>133408097
>he thinks he chose good movies
I'm actually laughing at you IRL
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>>133409156

My furry waifu.
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>>133409209
>>>/trash/
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When will anyone that posts on /co/ be auto-banned from posting here?
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>>133408726
What is Paprika?
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>>133405863
Oh yes, anime is doomed, miyazaki was right, now me must go to progressive shows, for murricah

What an idiots
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>>133406285
reminder that this is one of the people making scribbles in a circlejerk thread
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Posting in shitposting thread
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>>133407805
>We got Simpsons
>We got Cinderella
>We got Tarzan
>We got Aladdin
>We Got Jungle Book
>We got Little Mermaid
>We got Batman
I'll pass, none of those movies entertain me now that I'm 28.
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>>133408611
>My point was that in general anime pulls off the cute/sexy girl better than western cartoons.
As far as design goes I agree. But I feel that western shows make male-female duos as main characters work better.
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>>133405863
Isn't the left one the same house model from NariHerowww?
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>>133406445
>criticism on anime

So you honestly think that left pic is a proper representation of backgrounds in anime?

Baiting doesn't really count as criticism.
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>>133407099
I still don't understand whether this is comparing budgets or how much they ended up making.
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>>133409759
a glance at wikipedia should tell you
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>>133409622
this
Lets see when west provides us a LOGH or Cowboy Bebop
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>>133406016
>>133406285
Powerful autism. I bow down to you.
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>>133407003
Me on the left.
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>>133409063
>Someone stable instead of a man or a psycho bitch
Seems about right
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>>133409282
Badly animated pile of entry-level pretentiousness?
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>>133410524
Kill yourself.
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>>133410657
Come with me then
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>>133406016
wut?
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>>133409622
>>133409870

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSfidAYMx7o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN_jlZc6fzA
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>>133410790
Batman francise other than Adam West and Dark Knights stink, my friend
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>>133410837

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MUdJTIXKNs
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>>133410790
>arkham bats is has the blandest design of the entire cast
so, he's the self-insert?
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>>133410867
is it intentionally terrible or just terrible?
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>>133411065

They could have done the movie without him.

Lawson was the protagonist of the story.

And he got to bone Harley Quinn. High five!
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>>133411116
I'll give you a hint: it from Family Guy
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>>133411200
I know almost nothing about that show
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I thought animation was about actual animation and not images for small fry.
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>>133411258
Good, keep it that way
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>>133411258

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oMTmtN7lHI
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>>133411282
has /co/ even discovered webms yet?
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>>133411328
Dunno.

I don't care about talking about western cartoons.
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>>133407099
All you're admitting is that Japs don't pay their staff a livable wage

God forbid if animators and voice actors got paid decently for what they do.
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>>133411373
a superior product is a superior product, whether it's made by slaves or not.
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Will Japanese animation ever be on the level of Pixar or Dreamworks?
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>>133411308
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>>133407805
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>>133411413
Superior how?
Grantee that more people saw and loved the Simpsons more then whatever the hell that other shit is.
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>>133411413
>>133411493

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GK-1zT1gBXk
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>>133411532
I liked this intro also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1asueMme_k

French animation is neat
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>>133411328
>>>/wsg/809887
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>>133411469
Hopefully they wont ever sink to that level.
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>>133405863
> hey, that background looks really fucking nice, I usually avoid western anime but guess I could check this o...

Holy shit, what the hell is this garbage? Did they put 90% of the budget in the background or something like that?
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>>133411783

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnR3iY6qF0s
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>>133411775
>sink

You mean ascend?
If you cant see the superiority in Pixar or dreamworks you must be such a deluded weeb that your opinion in animation in general is absolutely meaningless, i don't understand how you idiots haver to force yourself to only enjoy a small fraction of animation from a single fucking country, its childish as hell.

>>133411783
Sounds like you're talking about anime honestly, when the characters are at an average of 7 frames per second unless its an action scene.
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>>133411900
and even then in action scenes they put that stupid black filter
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>>133411900
>If you cant see the superiority in Pixar or dreamworks

Their animation is fluid but it can't convey weight or power.

Shitty quality vid, but hopefully it shows you what I mean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4fyehYpJpY

>all that other hurf durfery

lol
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>>133407161
Is.... Is that a giant turd eating a pizza? The fuck is that show even?
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>>133407732
Jesus Christ fuck man. Good thing you spoiler tagged that image, that is actually disgusting.
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>>133411961
Those aren't an issue on BDs or webcasts. And I think AT-X doesn't apply a filter either.
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>>133412249
Holy shit.

So this is the scene? The one talked about in legends?
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>>133412275
Lurk more, newfag.
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>>133412306
Nah.
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>>133411900
You don't even talk about the best western animators lol. You only mention fags who pander to fucking babies.

Here's some proper western animation that destroys whatever japan makes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5guMumPFBag

"pixar", lol.
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>>133412249
Hey guys whagharblskslsdfkasdflas;fd;saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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>>133411747
>flash animation
>flash animation
>decades-old animation
>flash animation
>flash animation
>oh hey, that looks int- CGI


Ok, there are a few that are en par with TV anime and sometimes the humor is more palatable. But you wouldn't even win a "you tried" in sakuga threads with that.
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>>133406245
You take that back, asshole!
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>>133410576
Did you really say badly animated?
I'm gonna skip the part about entry-level pretentiousness, since we were discussing the technical level, but if you think Paprika is badly animated I think you should an hero to remove your dumb genes prom the genetic pool.
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America does pretty much all their animation in computer programs, just dragging and dropping. South Park is made using Maya and Rick and Morty, Bojack and countless other Adult Swim shows just use Flash. It's sad, really.
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>>133412275
>he didn't witness it the first time when it aired on tv
I feel old now
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>>133412870
I didn't watch pokemon when it aired on tv.
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>>133412870
>implying youre japanese
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>>133405863
>Archer
>animation
Part of its charm is shitty animation.
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>>133407732
Oh God, it's worse than mine.
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>>133412505
You wat m8
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>>133406016
are you autistic?
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>>133413052
gotta shop those trees behind arthur to be blue, senpai
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>>133408709
I'm not from /co/
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>>133408448
>black and white
>look damn good
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>>133407732
psssshhh
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>>133412862
To be fair, South Park would probably be worse with better animation as a lot of its humor is based around these silly looking card board cutout people like the Canadians.
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>>133406170
>Germanfag here
Wait its not in your country? In what third world country do you live?
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>>133406016
right has no defined shadow source, but it´s still so much better than the shit on left.
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>>133413401
maybe if you're an aspie
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>>133412009
>>133412386
>lol

Jesus, just fuck off
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>>133413574
Nah.
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>>133406016
I can draw a cube. Does that make me a good artist?
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>Implying Gravity falls isn't better than anything airing in the past six seasons
>Implying The last airbender isn't better than 99% of anime
>Implying legend of korra isn't better than 80% of anime
The era of anime is over, western animation is the new hotness.
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>>133407099
Am I the only one that didn't like 5CMPS?
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>>133413682
I didn't like it either. I understand what they were trying to get across, but I just didn't find it very entertaining.
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>>133413682
No one with taste likes it, it's crap made for 15 year old faggots to use as cellphone wallpaper
it's shit.
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>>133413682
No. Shortly put it's gay shit for fags.
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>>133413614
would depend on texture, precision, lighting etc.

even a cube can be a piece of art.
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>>133413742
That's a convoluted way of saying that you like it
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>>133413829
>convoluted

That's convoluted to you? Damn son.
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>>133413859
Certainly not a straight way of putting it.
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>>133413400
In my state in the US we were required to take some fine art classes, but a lot of people did music.
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>>133406285
Worst bait ever.
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>>133413957
In some far cultures it might be called that exotic thing called a "joke"
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>>133413957
people replied. it's effective bait.
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>>133413957
>shitty bait OP gets shitty bait replies

Who would've thought.
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>>133406245
Better than anime, at least they don't only have cow tits everywhere.
Cartoon > anime design just because the variety.
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>>133413713
Yeah. I got the message of the movie, and in a certain sense it was realistic in how it just kind of ended and tapered off, because life does that, but there were also incredibly unrealistic scenes like how he just "happened" to run across her one day. A movie like that should've made me feel something, but it wasn't executed that well.

The art for the most part was pretty good, though there were a lot of scenes that looked pretty awful and low budget.
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>>133414042
Variety is ugly anon. Beauty is rare.
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How can avatar produce "anime style" chracters without the same face?
is avatar the epitome of animation?
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>>133414130
avatar is the shit.
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>>133407732
>>133413225
Third world amerifats plz go.
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>>133414163
I too consider James Cameron's Avatar a very impressive piece of 3D animation.
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>>133414190
>countries
>Hong Kong
The irony is so rich I can't take another bite.
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>>133406016
First is something a school student would do for one of his "drawing" perspective class.
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>>133405863
It always was behind
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>>133406245
Cartoons shit on Anime when it comes to Character Design

Too bad majority of the shit on air is disgusting shit designed for Tumblrfaggots
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>>133414610
>Cartoons shit on Anime when it comes to Character Design

Examples.
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>>133414653
easy, just use silhouettes if can't recognize a character by his silhouette he has shit cahracter design
I cartoons characters can be easily recognized by their silhouette in anime they can't
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Japanese animation artists are more than capable of making nice looking art but most of the time they're severely limited by budget and have to cut corners as much as possible. So it's not that they lack the talent or anything. It's just they can't afford to make it look good most of the time. It's sad but that's how it is.
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>>133414757
in most of the cases I mean
pic related is a good example of anime character design
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>>133406517
Nope

And the budget excuse is old
Japs can't even bother to animate proper lipsyncing...which is a thing even 60s Hanna-Barbera cartoons did and those had some of the shittiest budgets of all time
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>>133406641
It always looks Jerky and Choppy to me
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>>133406662
Mainstream cartoons utterly destroy Mainstream animu
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>>133414830
>Japs can't even bother to animate proper lipsyncing
Why waste time on forced animation though when no one but a bunch of autists is going to give a shit.
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Am I one of the few that don't care?

I just believe there are an equal amount of good and bad from both sides.

Though I'm sadden by the lack of superhero animated shows nowadays. There will never be another series as a great as Batman TAS again.
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>>133414921
lipsyncing is the most basic thing tho.
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>>133407161
>Detective Conan
>Pokemon
>Naruto

>Contemporary

Say what?

And also this is why Anime character design sucks
It's way too fucking boring with every goddamn manga author using realistic body proportions
I mean that works well in Manga but that looks like shit in Animation
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>>133405863
>animation
>still images
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>>133414964
In English maybe. And again no one really gives a shit.
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>>133414830
>Japs can't even bother to animate proper lipsyncing...
They're too busy hiring decent actors instead
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>>133407741
Pretty much this
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>>133414190
>#14
That's a lot better than I expected.
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>>133407851
Shaft are just a poor-man's 60s Hanna-Barbera

Everything the Japs do the 'Muricans have done before
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>>133415044
Well if you accept any shit and it don't bother you, whatever enjoy your shit
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>>133407805
>We got Simpsons

Simpsons died after season 10 anyway.
Seasons 2-10 will always be God tier in western animation.
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>>133413665
>>>/co/
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>>133415151
Yes because the character's mouths is what I'm looking at when I'm watching any kind of animation. That's the only reason I watch anything.
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>>133405863
Np, but shitposting sure is.
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>>133407741
Disney only try to make something realistic when it comes to small things like how animals move, snow, rain, water, clothing but they make people move all fast and smooth because the way people move irl sucks.
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>>133405863

>cherry_picking.jpg

Also, Archer is shit. Despiyte having a budget 10x bigger than your average anime, its still fucking flash animation.
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>>133408163
stop being a retard
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>>133408611
Nigga...have you ever watched The Little Mermaid
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>mfw anime never produced something as good as inside out
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>>133408726
Nope
Not even close

They were never as good as French animation either
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>>133415366
I like Pixar and all but no. They haven't been good since Up. It's rare to make me cry over anything that's animated, but that movie did it.
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>>133415431
Anime never topped Up either nor Fantasia
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>>133408726

>I mean lets be honest nothing Japan ever shat out was close to Disney in terms of animation quality, not even muh ghibli
Funny since Disney and Pixar animators have been copying Miyazaki for he last 25 years.

Also, more movement != better animation. Some Disney movies like Tarzan or Pocahontas actually show that too much animation makes something worse. Unless it is handled very delicately, too much movement will completely destroy the effect animation is going for. Don Bluth proving this in every movie.

There are also plenty of anime, both TV and Movies, which have high budgets and tons of movement. And as a whole, Japanese animation has better quality in TV animation. Stop trying to compare a TV series to a movie. Because that's just dumb.
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>>133415477

>Anime never topped Up
Except the movies Up directly took inspiration from.
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>>133415597
Up is still better than Laputa and I love Laputa
If you take inspiration from something and makes it better your work is still better.
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>>133414163
>Avatar is shit

FTFY
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>>133415477
No shit. The budget was $175 million dollars.

Not even one of the most expensive anime films, Steamboy, cost even half of that.

An anime with a $175 million dollar budget would be good, I'm sure.
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>>133415653

>If you take inspiration from something and makes it better your work is still better.
True. But that didn't happen in this case. Just like Treasure Planet and Atlantis didn't surpass its inspiration.
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>>133414130
They still look very cartoony
>>
I don't get how people actually think western animation overall has better art than anime in general.
Yes I know different opinions exist, but most western animation looks like shit.
inb4 weeb
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>>133415597
If you are going to play that card, they the never topped the source material(Gulliver's Travels) in Laputa either.
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>>133407732
Suck my wifi dick.
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90% of animation that is produced by a western company is animated in Korea or Japan. Even a large amount of Pixar and Dreamworks stuff has their in between art done overseas.

OP and everyone else in this thread are fucking stupid.
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>>133415779
If we're comparing the equivalent it'd be no contest. Jap cartoons > western cartoons, no questions asked.

But people seem to want to compare normal anime to high budget western films, which doesn't make any fucking sense.
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>>133414653
Because most of them look different from each-other unlike Anime which is way too same-y

Look at Mickey Mouse,then look at Bugs Bunny,then Tom and Jerry,then Spongebob,then Ren and Stimpy,then EEnE,then PPG,then Dexter's Lab,then Batman TAS,then Snow White,then Peter Pan,TMNT etc.
You get my point
They all look very different compared to each-other

French Animation is the same as American Animation too(or at least it used to be)
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>>133415780

But nothing in Laputa is even close to Gulliver's Travels aside from a floating island. By that logic, you can even connect Laputa to an episode of Star Trek TOS or various scifi novels.

Laputa's biggest inspirations came from a 1940s surreal artist and a trip Miyazaki took to Wales.
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>>133414757
Why is good character design required to have some exaggerated body type?
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>>133414830
Animation is done first before the voice over in Japan because of shit scheduling. That's why they don't bother outside of a few scenes here and there. It's also the reason for mouth flap errors from time to time.
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>>133415853
Good looking dogshit is still dogshit.
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>>133414190
>#7
Latvia stronk.
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>>133415853

>Most western animation looks different
>unlike anime which all looks the same

Totally. Sailor Moon looks exactly like Mushishi.

Oh wait. You're a fucking idiot.
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>>133414921
Nice me.me

>>133415050
>Arnold Stang
>Don Messick
>Paul Winchell
>Mel Blanc

>Not some of the greatest voice actors of all time

ok
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>>133415922
they don't
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>>133415930

>Animation is done first before the voice over in Japan because of shit scheduling.
Its done because of budget. Shows with a higher budgets redo mouth movements after the dub or sometimes even do animation last. Most anime movies do a combination of both.

Why is everyone in this thread acting like an expert in shit they know nothing about? Or is OP just half the posts in this thread?
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>>133415169
The animation itself is not that great on The Simpsons
So I would not put it anywhere near the God Tier of Western Animation

The show was awesome though
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>>133415853
All of those shows have comically deformed characters. They look pretty same-y to me.
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>>133416004
>Why is everyone in this thread acting like an expert in shit they know nothing about?
This happens in every single thread about "animation" or "the industry"
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>>133413682
Nah man.
5 wallpapers per second has great backgrounds and it's very pretty, but both character design and plot are severely lacking.
I went in after Garden of Words expecting the same emotional impact, and was left utterly disappointed.
I guess I can relate better to Garden of Words to the depressed cake, thought
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>>133415974
>a handful of good ones versus literal hundreds that are on the same level

You sure proved him wrong.
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>>133415911
Yes, but if you are going to cite UP as being of lesser quality than Laputa, it is equally disingenuous to not credit Gulliver Travels, which is a far better read, than Laputa is as a story.
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>>133413574
>Jesus
please just fuck off, faggot
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>>133416033
huh? do you have downs?
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>>133415997
I feel like the poses are more iconic than the actual characters in the silhouettes.
If you remove the rocks and fires and put them in some more generic poses I feel like a lot of characters wouldn't be as easily recognizable, unless they have some standout feature like Toph's hate or Sokka's ponytail.
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>>133415997
>Have outside attributes associated with them
kek

They'd look generic as fuck just standing there. Especially aing, without his magic inverting arrow.
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>>133416081
>implying anime has good voice acting
I'm laffin
>>
/co/ go choke on a kek.
>>
All animation is pretty fucking dumb in general.
You should all watch sports and read books and go outside instead.
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>>133416134
Nicely memed lad.
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>>133416128
Creature design is pretty good though, but of course that's because they have exaggerated features.
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>>133415779
Nigger please
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQqbnMSm2aQ
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>>133416115
>>133416128
>why do they have distinct features
>why aren't they all the same like in anime
you guys CAN'T be this retarded
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>>133414190
>tfw the average in your country is below 6Mbps and your connection is below average
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>>133416023

The animation in the old Simpsons from season 4-12 was pretty amazing for its time actually. Just look at the episode where Homer is imitating Jack Nicholas in The Shining or the subtle way Lisa acts when she's attracted to Nelson.

You may just not like the style or design. Which is totally different from animation quality.

Current day Simpsons however is using computer animation. And looks awkward as fuck. I'm not entirely sure of the process, but it looks like they're making it 60 fps and downgrading it to 24 for broadcast. It just looks...unnatural. Even for animation. As well as the shows content itself just being shit.
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>>133416184
But in that case you could get the generic looking people in Bakamonogatari and just post them as a crab, bat, bee, etc and you'd know who they are.
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>>133416193
Nice animation doesn't make you americunt trash any good.
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>>133416244

Okay?
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>>133416184
I don't think distinct poses and elemental stuff count as character design though.

Like Zuko could definitely pass as someone else if you remove the fire and have him in a pose you don't know Zuko for.

I think clothing and hair counts for character design which is why Toph and Sokka stands out, but it can come off as kind of cheap, especially when you consider anime where character designs are basically just palette and hair swaps with different clothes sometimes.
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>>133416193
>computer animation
Do you even know what that is
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>>133415930
Fucking Fleischer studios did it in the 30s man
No fucking excuse

Mouth Flaps are lazy shit
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>>133416385

Almost all animation these days are using digital computer aids. The Simpsons just goes to the extreme with it. And yes, there are some elements in modern Simpsons, like buildings, cars or background characters, who are fully digital. Not hand drawn.

The irony is most of the Miyazaki inspired scene in a recent Simpsons episode was done digitally. Which is why it looks so awkward compared to the source material its based on.
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>>133415955
They don't look all that different from each-other
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Epic flamewar thread guises

ENGINEERING > MATHEMATIC > ANY OTHER SCIENCE
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>>133416235
This applies to a lot of anime.

You could set up holo holding a fucking apple, and once you've identified them, you could put lawrence holding horse reins and you'd know who he is.

K-On, some generic as fuck characters, would be recognizable with their shitty instruments.

Now that I think about it, tons of anime have recognizable characters, even by silhouette.
Accel world would be pretty obvious, more so if you allowed their wings and other stupid shit.
Angel beats with their weopons.
Ghost in the shell would be enough just standing there.
Same with black lagoon, though Rock is pretty generic.

this is silly
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>>133408814
Please. Telltale is garbage. They do that really shitty looking cartoon outline look, expect instead of doing it shader why they bake itright into the texture. The sweet, low quality texture where you can see the imperfection of it all. Looks like a heap of garbage.
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>>133413665
>Gravity Falls

Get your tumblr garbage out of here.

>Implying The last airbender isn't better than 99% of anime

It's generic shonen 101. Innovative and interesting for people who don't have much experience with anime but very boring otherwise. FMAB is better.

>Implying legend of korra isn't better than 80% of anime

20% is a huge amount of shows, you know.

/co/ pls go.
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>>133416575
>calls tumblr
>posts tumblr show pic
wow amazing
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>>133416134
Really nigger
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>>133416193
I like The Simpsons style
I just don't think the animation was that good...and that's also because of Matt G. always forcing the animators to make it more "realistic" and insisting on the characters being always on-model

It was OK but not anything great
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>people comparing TV animation to Pixar movies
>people comparing Disney to Miyazaki
>people comparing American produced animation to French animation

Holy shit, this is the dumbest thread I've seen on /a/ for at least a year.
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>>133415366
>mfw anime has never produced something as disgusting as the pixar/dreamworks raised eyebrow half smile
I'm glad desu.
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>>133415325
But he's right.
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>>133416663
At least nobody has brought up SHADING
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>>133416608
>Monogatari
>tumblr

You what mate?
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Now I remember why I stopped going to /co/
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>>133416673
It produced Naruto
Nuff said
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>352 replies for obvious bait thread
I'd expect that from /v/ not you /a/.
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>>133416651

>and that's also because of Matt G. always forcing the animators to make it more "realistic" and insisting on the characters being always on-model
I never heard this at all. Especially since Matt didn't work on most of the episodes. The people who had the most direct influence on the show are Al Jean, Sam Simon, James L Brookes and, ironically enough, Brad Bird. Yes, the same Brad Bird who went on to make Iron Giant and multiple Pixar films. These people kept working on the show even after Matt and many writers left to work on Futurama. And basically gave up on the Simpsons until the movie.
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>It is a /a/ vs /co/ Thread
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>>133416746
Naruto itself wasn't bad.

The fan base that came with it was, however.
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>>133416706

Well now they will. Thanks a lot fag.
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>>133415661
Can you image the battle harem we could make with that money?
We could make childhood friend win for once.
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>>133406992
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>>133408726
https://youtu.be/3SEXokSxZBI
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>>133416728
>>Monogatari
>> NOT tumblr
Really? I should inform yourself
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>>133407161
>Milky Way and the Galaxy Girls
>cartoon
Maybe in another universe.
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>>133416004
You can't redo anything if you have no time no matter how huge the budget is. A big budget wasn't going to save the God Eater anime from having having all the delays it did. Most TV anime studios don't have time to draw properly, so you get QUALITY, and a big budget isn't going to prevent that. Anime movies are a whole other thing.
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>>133410264
>>133413091
>>133413614
Fundementals, motherfuckers. Learn them.
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>>133415821
Yes because keyframing is a job requiring of true artists. In-betweens is just grindmonkey shit that speedrunners do in their spare time when their streams don't earn enough for rent.
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>>133416843
I'm 5 seconds in and is already shit
congratulations
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>>133407328

The episode where Cosmo and Wanda change sex, and Cosmo is actually better looking than Wanda, genuinely made me question my sexuality.

Also, the episode where Cosmo and Wanda change hairstyles...and he again looks better.
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>>133413665
wow, one good show and two mediocre shows in the last 15 years, sasuga.
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>>133416846
Just because you saw a few gifs from the show there does not make the show itself tumblr. Most tumblrinas would get very triggered by all the fanservice in it.
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>>133416894

>I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about
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>>133416946
same could be said for anime
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>>133413682
It's very pretty, as are all the films by the director.

But that's it. That's all they are: pretty.
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>>133416536
Posting best opinion and best girl.
I like you.
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>>133416762
That's why the switched from Klasky Csupo to Film Roman
Matt hated it for being too "cartoony"

Season 5-8 looked so much more boring and stale because of that
I always preferred how Seasons 1-4 looked...even though it had a bit of crudity to it(but that was also part of the show's charm) and even though they were being surpressed to make it look "less animated" by Fox..they did a decent job

That's why you hear some cartoonists like John K. bashing The Simpsons

Huh...I never heard of Brad Bird being a part of The Simpsons team
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Its funny because most people in this thread trying to defend western animation are just focusing on movement. But overlook how anime is actually better in terms of character development, serialized stories and design.

Though I'm sure now they'll try to claim otherwise.
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>>133417072
read the thread
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>>133405863
It looks to me like the priorities have changed, as they frequently do. Anime in the '90s and '00s had a focus on highly detailed backgrounds to pan across, being contrasted against Simpsons in the typical east vs west debates on quality in still frames. Back then, anime being "more detailed" than western animation was a big thing that people talked about.

Now, moe and cute girls are the large focus on anime. Detailed backgrounds are only popular as long as there are cute girls involved, and so they aren't focusing as much on heavy details. People are fine with watching anime that has little to no backgrounds, so the extra work would be wasted.

>>133406016
Left looks like a CGI generation, which would explain both the boring appearance and the technical competence.
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>>133416749
But trolls trolling trolls is the most fun you can have on /a/, nowadays.
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>>133417048

>Huh...I never heard of Brad Bird being a part of The Simpsons team
He was the 'executive consultant' for like 250 episodes. He has more credits than anyone except Matt, James L Brooke and Sam Simon (and the actors obviously).

You also notice the dramatic drop in quality of the Simpsons right when he leaves around season 14.
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>>133414326
>not knowing SARs are counted separately in international rankings

Quit living under a rock nigga.
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>>133417072
>implying this is a good design
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>>133417072
>Its funny because most people in this thread trying to defend western animation are just focusing on movement

It's easy to have "movement" when your animation is just copypasted sequences and motion tweening done on computers. Western cartoons had better animation in the past maybe. Now? Not so much.
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>>133416783
>Naruto wasn't bad
Yes it was
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>>133417157
Lupin with glasses like that is something I never want to see.
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>>133416986
Anime usually gets at least 1-2 good shows a season.

Have you seen the cartoon season charts?
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>>133417157

>fanart

Man, people are really grasping at straws.
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>>133417191
What makes it bad?
It was pretty mediocre, but I wouldn't call it bad.
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>not liking both

Westen cartoons go for iconic and simple comedy

Anime go for story and character development

It has mostly to do with how both air, and how western/eastern people watch tv and treat cartoons.
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>>133417195
>>133417222
Lupin is still a shit design, faggots.
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>>133417207
>Anime usually gets at least 1-2 shit shows that smell better than rotten shit per season.
>Have you seen the cartoon season charts?
fixed for ya
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>>133417130
Nah the drop happened in Season 10
Way before that
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>>133417248
>this is now the part where he wants you to list an example from every chapter, and if you say you didn't read it all then you don't have any right to judge it
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>>133417260
>Westen cartoons go for iconic and simple comedy

There are a lot of anime like that too. People just don't give a fuck about them in the West so they never gain any notoriety here.
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>>133417271
It still pains me there's so little interest in subbing the new Lupin series. Bless the italianons for trying.
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>people ITT seriously defend low-budget piece of shit industry that is anime
Come on guys, its okay to be in for waifus, but lets not get delusional here
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>>133417207

>Anime usually gets at least 1-2 good shows a season.
More than that. But people don't have the time to watch every single show. Not to mention, /a/ specifically hypes the bad shows.

>Have you seen the cartoon season charts?
No. But I watch western shows quite a bit. And I can say that it is rare to have one good new show a year. This is mostly because of western companies milking one show for 5-10 seasons. Relying on marketing to make it popular, not the quality of the show itself. Something like Steven Universe or Uncle Grandpa did really poorly at the start. But instead of killing the show and making another, they just marketed the hell out of it for months until it gained a 'following'. Anime doesn't have the money to push marketing that hard.
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>>133417195
Lupin always looked like French Comics to me
Then again he's the grandson of a famous fictional french thief
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>western animation
>"animation"
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>>133417313
He's doing a very good job so far.
He's up to episode 10 so we're good.
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isn't the example from the left from an anime towards kids? i mean, you're kinda comparing blues clues to bob ross.
>Ah whatever, we're all manchildren
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>>133417271
Yes, your post is definitely bait
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>>133417313
Thank you for reminding me that I still have to download episode 20.
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>>133417315
I don't want to defend shit about anime.

But who are you to decide what's okay or not to be here for?
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>>133417366
>He's up to episode 10 so we're good.
Fuck, the last episode I saw was the Jigen one.

What tag are they under? AnonSubs?
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>>133417300
>greentext

>>133417279
No, there are genuinely 1-2 good shows a season.

>>133417338
I wouldn't say more than that. I mean, personally yes I find maybe 4-6 shows a season to be enjoyable. But to actually consider them good I'd have to look at them from a more objective standpoint and compare them to other anime.
Which is silly to do.

But yes western cartoons get maybe 1 good show a year and their charts are god awful.
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>>133417338
The world is fucking unfair I tell you

Shit like Uncle Grandpa and Steven Universe get a second chance

But good shit like Sheep in the City,Time Squad,Squirrel Boy don't

Fuck Cartoon Network
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>>133417285

You can claim the fall happened at any season. Season 4 introduced a whole new string of writers and changed the tone of the show. Then Season 6 did the same thing. Then Season 8 did the same thing...

It just comes down to where you personally started to dislike the show. I feel that Season 11-14, while not being anywhere near as good as previous seasons, was still a decent watch. After that, it really fell apart for me.

But even previous seasons had lackluster episodes. I still think 'Homers Enemy' is one of the worst episodes of the Simpsons ever. Basically setting the template for Family Guy and future Simpsons episodes. And it was in Season 8. So its not like the show was absolutely perfect until a certain point.
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>>133417444
Still [itali/a/non] on nyaa.
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=754492
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>>133417457
>Samurai Jack was cancelled
this is the point I stopped watching western cartoons
Granted the last few episodes were pretty bad, but still.
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>>133417457
>good shit like Sheep in the City,Time Squad,Squirrel Boy
For a second I thought you were going to name shows that actually deserve more seasons
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>>133417500

>fuck them for cancelling my favorite show!
>though I admit some of it was bad

The epitome of a Samurai Jack fan everyone.
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>>133417500

Yeah, but to be fair, it wouldn't be the same without Mako.
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>>133417419
>4 seeders
>1,5 Kb/s
I-it's not like I wanted to watch it tonight
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What about some slav animation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_RPq5pC42w
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>>133417539
Of course. Every good show has flaws. There is no such thing as perfection.

I don't know why Samurai Jack was actually cancelled, but there were 2-3 episodes at the end that were pretty shit. If that was enough to cancel it then yes, fuck them.
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>>133405863
Definitely. It all looks like /trash/ nowadays.
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>>133417583
That art style combined with that shit bitrate just gives me a headache.
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Western animation could compete with anime back in the 90s. Since there was more variety.

Current western animation can't even make a fucking serealized show on the level of Batman TAS. Of course it can't complete with anime, which makes dozens of serialized shows a year. Not all those shows may be good. But just the sheer variety makes anime more interesting than the endless parody and comedy shows in western animation.
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>>133417457
>But good shit like Sheep in the City,Time Squad,Squirrel Boy don't
what
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>>133417469
I'd say it's watchable 'till season 13(it has "Weekends at Burnsies")
Season 14 sucks

As for the Classic Era
I can see what you mean by that but it had it's ups and downs but never a giant drop in quality

I liked Homer's Enemy but it was pretty damn dark

The episodes that kinda piss me off from the Classic era tho are
>Skinner turns out to be Fake Skinner
I remember feeling legit upset when I saw this
>Lisa the Vegetarian
The first time the show truly sold out...making Lisa a vegetarian so they can get that cunt Paul McCartney to guest star
And Lisa is an insufferable cunt in this episode
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>>133417484
Bless you, mate
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>>133417526
Fuck you
Sheep in the Big City was the fucking shit
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>>133417691
No problem.
Sad that not that many people care for it around here though.
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>>133417628

>I don't know why Samurai Jack was actually cancelled

The creator wanted it to go on for multiple seasons. To do this, he dragged out the main premise with tons of filler and one shot episode stories. The audience got bored, ratings fell, Samurai Jack merchandise in stores didn't sell, etc.

Crazy panning shots and dramatic action sequences will draw attention to your show. But if there's no substance (character development, plot development, conflict development), then even the most brain dead viewer will get bored. And Samurai Jack is the perfect example of a show that didn't go anywhere. All the crazy dramatic angle shots was the entire focus of the show. Its the fucking 2001: A Space Odyssey of animation.
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>>133417630
>Comparing 2006 to 2015
Are you fucking kidding me?
They look like the same shit
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>>133417451
>I wouldn't say more than that.
Then you'd be wrong. There's at least 4 genuinely good shows airing right now.
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>>133405863
>Single frame
>Animation
Were you dropped on your head as a child OP?
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>>133417636
How the fuck does being "serialized" make something better than being "episodic" exactly?
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>>133417338
Uncle Grandpa did very well ratings wise. Its god better animation than 99% of tv anime. Its just surreal humor meant for children.

Anime isnt meant most of the time to appeal to children like western animation is. Its meant to sell BD and merch to lonely dwindling japanese population through escapist fantasies. Even the 'childrens' cartoons are made for this like Love Live or the new Pokemon.

Animation is a medium, not a genre, amd comparing anime to western cartoons is like comparing out of the box to american pie or CSI.
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>Western anime
>>>/co/
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>>133417851
Shonen-shit(like DB,Naruto,Bleach,Fairy Tail...aka the most popular anime) is for kids tho
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>>133417764
>Comparing 2006 to 2015
>They look like the same shit
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>>133417827
He just wants novelty. There's very little serial storytelling in western animation, it's almost all episodic. That's one of the main reasons anime appeals to westerners who like animation: it provides something different than episodic comedies.

This is one of the main reasons casuals who are new to anime gravitate toward battle shounens or violent seinen fantasy, because they are the antithesis of what they are used to on western TV: long, serialized plots, action-oriented, lots of violence and emotional intensity. Watch enough of that stuff though, and it loses its novelty and becomes as dull to you as western cartoons are.
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>>133417777
There are 2, then there are about 3 pretty good shows airing right now.
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>>133417658

>I liked Homer's Enemy but it was pretty damn dark
For me its not so much that it is dark. Its that they made Homer legitamitely stupid just to make the premise work. In past episodes, Homer would be spastic, ignorant or even dumb. But it would have a point to the plot and build his character. In Homer's Enemy, he pushes the boundary of ignorance so hard, it is no longer believable. This is the shit Family Guy pulls all the time. But Family Guy always ends the episode with a hard reset. The Simpsons ends theirs with a moral epiphany or joke...and Homer's Enemy didn't. It ended with a shitty hard reset like Family Guy. "Lol Frank Grimes died and Homer sleeps through the funeral. So funny because its pointless! It's like I'm watching the Office! HAHA"

>Skinner turns out to be Fake Skinner
Yeah, another pointless episode. Not the best.

>Lisa the Vegetarian
While I dislike how they wedged Paul into the concept, I think being a vegetarian actually fits for Lisa. She's trying to be a contrarian about everything. Always has. Also, being a Buddhist, becoming a Vegetarian is not a hard thing to swallow. it may not have been told as well as it could, but its believable.

And is 100x better than most of the shit the writers have done to Lisa since. Making her a Starbucks loving, Ipod dancing, Anglophile who will suck the dick of any Liberal idea just to be different. Lisa went from a young upstart girl to a younger Hillary Clinton.
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>>133417924
That stuff isn't the majority of anime though. Daytime anime is only a small part of all anime produced, the majority of it is nighttime anime aimed at adults (otaku).
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>>133417924
And with all the sexual overtones and violence, it would never get picked up in the western sphere. Even when it is shown it is heavily edited. It is a different culture. Also, teenagers are not the same as children. Most western cartoons are aimed for litteral children preschool to middle school. Its only autists that watch in HS and after, although the studios do love milking them. But those people rarely actually watch the cartoons, just blog gifs on tumblr later to appear interesting.
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>>133417851

>Anime isnt meant most of the time to appeal to children like western animation is.
But that's completely wrong. The majority of anime is still Shounen or Shoujo focused.

>Its meant to sell BD and merch to lonely dwindling japanese population through escapist fantasies.
Don't tell me you actually think this. Not all anime is Ecchi harems. And even most of those are aimed at junior high or high school teenagers. Not adults like you're implying.
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>>133417974
Lupin, Owarimonogatari, Utawarerumono, and OPM off the top of my head are 4 genuinely good shows. Extremely enjoyable shows that could end up being counted among the genuinely good when they finish are Yuru Yuri, GochiUsa, Noragami, and Gundam IBO.
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>>133418134
My opinions > Your opinions. This is fact.
Don't try to argue this.
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>>133417636
No big company in the U.S. has figured out a model on how to make western serialized action shows really profitable again, since the old method of depending on toy sales has pretty much died as a viable choice. If shows like Motorcity and Tron: Uprising were possible once upon a time, there is some talent in the pool capable of making some decent serialized action, but there's no one hiring for it. It always circles back to the issue of money.
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>>133406445
They're pretty clearly taking the piss.
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>>133417827

>How the fuck does being "serialized" make something better than being "episodic" exactly?
it doesn't. However, having 95% of your shows being episodic means there's a severe lack of variety. Those that want serialized stories end up having to look outside of western animation. Either at live action shows or anime (or video games).

And even when it comes to episodic shows, the west is pretty lackluster in variety. Let me put it this way. The west would never attempt a show like CardCaptor Sakura or Princess Tutu. Not because of the magical girl element, but because western producers think the public cannot handle a show that goes outside its set formula. While something like CCS stars off with a clear formula of collecting cards, it goes way outside of this with character arcs and romance sub plots. About the closest a western show will ever get to this is Mordecai liking Margaret in Regular Show. Which is really, really sad.
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>>133418134
>Lupin
Hit or miss, filled with middling episodes.
>Owarimonogatari
Mediocre, like everything after Monogatari.
>Utawarerumono
No.
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>>133418099
>The majority of anime is still Shounen or Shoujo focused.
Those are demographics for manga. In the anime world, you determine audience by network + timeslot. If it airs on FujiTV on Sunday morning, then it's definitely for kids. If it airs on ATX at 2 AM then it's for adults.

You classify anime this way, as either daytime anime or nighttime anime. Most one cour seasonal anime are nighttime, adult-oriented anime. Most of the super long-running series are daytime shows aimed at kids, and you don't see them on the seasonal charts usually.
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>>133417191
It is really just average in terms of shonen. Like anything people complain about it for that isn't attributed to the fanbase you can probably find in another series /a/ is perfectly okay with.
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>>133418264
They are all good shows, it's apparent you just have shit taste or are trying to be edgy and contrarion.
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>>133418203

Its not just about money. A generic comedy show like Gumball or Uncle Grandpa has a budget much larger than your typical anime. The problem circles back to western producers following trends rather than creating the trends.

Western producers would rather made 10 shitty NCIS rip offs than one original show in a different genre. And will spend 100 million dollars doing it. Hoping that just one of the 10 rip off shows will become the next big hit they can milk. Its really no different from the current anime market making tons of the same stuff, hoping one show will hit it big. The difference is, the western producers are working with ridiculously huge budgets in comparison.
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>>133418264
Nice bait.
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