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This is a joke, right?

Someone is sitting behind my chair, about to jump out and shout gotcha, right?

This game can't be this shit. Why did I invest 60+ hours into this. The series has been so promising up until now. Somewhere along the way I was able to accept that the worst girl was going to win. I just wanted to see how it would end.

But this. This fucking scene. No more game, no more.
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>>124552684
>playing visual novels
Literally the worst thing created by otaku scum. Serves you right.
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>>124553039
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What's wrong anon
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>>124553119
>Not a human
>Raped endlessly for years
>Completely insane up until a week ago
>Oh hey lets have sex

Apparently 4 years of BETA dick isn't quite enough for this slut.
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>>124553119
Consensual sex in the missionary position, that's what's wrong.
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>>124553265
>>124553435
It's like you've never fixed a computer before.
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>>124552684
Please sudoku yourself for having such shit taste, Alternative is a fucking masterpiece when compared to most other eroges.

>>124553265
>4 years
Try for all time, dumbass.
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>>124552684

>complaining about sex
>not the hackneyed, contrived ending where every girl dies in the most obvious and telegraphed way possible and the game expects you to be surprised anyway
>not the ridiculous "it's not okay to prioritize japan over the whole human race, but secretly it is" plot arc, that's supposed to make the MC more courageous but ends up serving no purpose whatsoever

Great setting, terrible writing. Like, even by anime standards. Don't give up on VNs yet, the people who say that MLA is the best are just fucking stupid.
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>>124553654

Eh.. Its probably one of the best VN's i've ever played. If someone was asking, yeah, it does all go downhill from here.
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>>124553654
Nice shitty pasta. I
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>>124553039
>worst thing created by otaku scum
That is LN anon
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>>124553796

The only thing it really does better than other VNs is horror and artwork/production values. You need to play more.

>>124553803

>just wrote the post
>searching it won't turn up anything else

How does it feel to be demonstrably retarded?
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>>124553926

LN are just their equivalent young adult novels. same tropes, same hackneyed storytelling.
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>>124553999

I've played quite a few VN's and i can only think of one or two I would even call "good" and they're both porn. I liked the switch from generic moe garbage to world saving serious business.

Also the fact that they nuke saskatchewan when the aliens land there. that's hilarious to me for some reason.
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>>124553999
You aren't fooling anyone retard.

>not the hackneyed, contrived ending where every girl dies in the most obvious and telegraphed way possible and the game expects you to be surprised anyway

Seen this post a dozen times even when the TE anime was airing. You are no rusemaster.
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>>124552684
>not liking Alter Fable
Can't help this extraordinary case of shit taste.
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>>124554175
Have you played Forest?
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>>124554468
Does it involve boxes of chocolates?
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>>124552684
I haven't played it, but are you talking about the quality of the sex scene, or something about the plot?

there are no well written sex scenes
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>>124554468
people seem to hype this for some reason and I couldn't get past the first hour. Had no idea wtf was going on and just dropped it
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>>124553654

It's not even the sex (though that shit is always painful in these things) but the lead up to sex. It's so fucking ham-fisted that I just could not keep playing. I haven't gotten any further than this scene and I just don't want to.

I'm used to the best girls losing to their terrible main character counterparts but this. I could not stand this.

It's not my first VN but fuck if it doesn't leave a bad taste.
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>>124554516
No, it involves your mind being fucked
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>>124554468

nope. It looks... interesting
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>>124554677

You kind of picked the worst choice for that there. Very few VN's have a "right girl".
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>>124554634
The plot. It go to the point it's at so painfully that it physically hurt me to keep reading.
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>>124554813
hmm, that's unfortunate, I've heard good things about this VN. deeper into the backlog it goes
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>>124553654
The writing was so bad that it kind of hit an overflow for me and went back around to being enjoyable. Like the whole coup arc was so poorly done and so thoroughly retarded that I thought it was like a joke. Walker(?) was the character who knew the whole thing was completely stupid and I thought we were supposed to be on his side. All the stupid shit in the game, I kind of gave a pass to in the moment.

I don't think I realized how fucking stupid age is until I saw Tortilla Chips. That ruined Muv Luv for me because it shattered the illusion that there was this self-aware camp factor and it wasn't just as stupid as it was.
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You stop at this shit while you endured Sumika's extra route?

Given what has happened in alternative, I'd reckon you'd have to be retarded or at least emotionally stunted to stop at this point in the story. The "best" has yet to come. Don't you wanna know what happens to Miki? I promise, it ain't half bad.
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>>124554677
Butthurt Meiyafag detected.
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>>124554843
It's definitely worth playing if you're an EOP, if only because it has high production values compared to other translated VNs.
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>>124554306

I've never watched TE, or posted in these threads for over 2 years except to ask when AF will be done. Obviously I can't prove anything though, so feel free to belive what you want.
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>>124554844
>that scene where Yuuya becomes stronger because he accepts his yamato damashii
Bravo age bravo
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>>124555278
Muv-luv is nothing but yamato damashii and America bashing. You should have expected this.
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>>124555349
>America bashing
>Takeru agrees with Walken
It's smashing you over the head telling you the coup and Japanese nationalism is fucking retarded, why does no one get this?
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>>124555389
But Walken is the biggest weeaboo in the series
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>hating on the best girl

The other girls got their ends in unlimited. I was angry that Sumika was all but forgotten when I first read it.
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>>124555436
That game is sick, sexualising Kasumi was wrong on so many levels
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>>124554843
>taking this guy's opinion to heart when the overwhelming majority of people like it
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holy shit /a/ is terrible
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>>124554306
Not even the anon you're arguing with but you probably saw stuff like this dozens of times because it's true?

There's fucking boatloads of VNs, TE as a prime example, that use killing of their heroines in hacky, predictable ways to try and lazily squeeze "the feels" out of sentimental Otaku. People complain about it because it's fucking dull and stupid alike.
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>>124555864
>There's fucking boatloads of VNs
To be fair, a lot of those are probably copying MLA
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>>124555349
But MLA did Yamato Damashii so poorly that I thought it was making fun of it.

Then it turns out it wasn't.

Guess the joke was on me.


I cannot beieve they expect people to take Fagiri seriously.
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>>124555864
Funny when the writer for Kara no Shoujo said that he does it constantly and that it's the best way of getting emotional reactions, when it just made Kara no shoujo's protagonist look like an incompetent idiot
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>>124553654
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>Reading sex scenes in VNs
You read a VN for the story or gameplay (in certain cases), sex scenes are almost a waste of time. I skip through them because who gives a shit how hard the MC rubbed Sumika's nipples or how lewd Tousaka's anus is? I'm reading this shit for the important bits, sex is mostly irrelevant in 90% of VNs. Also
>Sumika worst girl
She's not #1, but definitely kill yourself. If you're gonna tell me Boring Class Rep or Moeblob Neko Loli are better then Sumika you clearly have shit taste
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>>124556695
>not playing VNs to jack off whilst enjoying a story
get out
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>>124556804
I never said I don't have a wank while reading VNs, I'm just saying most sex scenes in eroge or VNs are fucking contrived. If you want something to masturbate to, read a nukige or get a CG set from sadpanda. Otherwise its a waste of time. Whoever thinks the text "*splurt* *splurt*" is hot is reading these things for the wrong reasons.
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>>124555864
TE wasn't a fucking VN when it was an anime you autistic dong. It was a LN story adapted as an indirect tie-in to the Muv-Luv VN trilogy by the head writer/director/creator.

The TE VN didn't get released until May 2013, the bitching he was giving about the main cast's death in the Original Hive arc is word for word a replay of half the shit posting in TE threads when conversations always turned to the main story and how Sumika/Meiya/and the other girls are killed off. If it wasn't for the switch on the archives, you can see that post verbatim being used hundreds of times in the same style, format, and vernacular.

>>124555932
Hell nigger, Isayama was getting death threats for ripping off Muv-Luv to the point Kouki had to save him from Muv-Luv fans since several mailed in responses saying they were going to murder him for making such a shoody Alternative rip-off.
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>>124556695
>Not reading the thread
>Thinking the competition is between anyone besides Sumika and Meiya

Secondaries are only good for fun. At least the Neko Loli had an OK story.
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>>124557117
What competition? Meiya auto-wins.
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>>124554306
Fucking remember 11 is the biggest ruse out of all the translated vns out there. You have to litteraly get every bad end (theres like 50 of em) to understand the story.
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>EOPs will never get シュヴァルツェスマーケン 紅血の紋章 and シュヴァルツェスマーケン 殉教者たち

How does it make you feel?
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Sumika did nothing wrong
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>>124553796
>Its probably one of the best VN's i've ever played.

Well, not like you've had much choce available, right?
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Meiya is the best girl.
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Yuimouto > Cryska
Meiya = Sumika > S00mika
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Should I get into this series?

Seems like it has many fappable girls in skintight suits.
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>>124558052
If you can handle the first VN being nothing but a huge satire of how the nonsense and cliches of SoL romcom harems, and its second half being a gigantic info-dump and world-building for 35-40 hours and the main and final piece of the trilogy being a repeat of the 2nd story and then another 40-50 hours of reading then sure.

Its like Gundam in the sense Muv-Luv is a multimedia franchise. The spin-offs are really dominating it though, and Muv-Luv itself is a spin-off of a side-story of another series set in the same overall canon universe.

So if you like seeing waifus and daughterus (and a few husbandos) killed off in horrible ways, depressing stories, then Muv-Luv is for you.
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We can all agree Kasumi is the worst girl, right?
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OTP
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>>124557515

I figure i've played about 15 or so VN's. Of those, the only ones i'd consider "above" muv luv are kira kira and sengoku rance, both of which are so different its not even comparable.

I may not be the best one to ask though since I fucking hated fate/stay night and this board is a constant spergfest for that crap.
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>>124558203
Of course not.
>>>/out/
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>>124558212
Nope
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>secondaries hate VNs
>wah wah it's not animated
>wah wah it's reading
>wah wah im american

enjoy your shitty adaptions
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>>124557003
>Hell nigger, Isayama was getting death threats for ripping off Muv-Luv to the point Kouki had to save him from Muv-Luv fans since several mailed in responses saying they were going to murder him for making such a shoody Alternative rip-off.
Source? I know he said that SnK was inspired by MLA but I don't remember a particular strong reaction to that comment.
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Hey /a/

CHOMP
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>>124552684
That's why non-ero visual novels are far superior. See: the sciadv series, FSN realta nua
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>>124558346
>>>/r/visualnovels
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>>124552684
>rotating tits
>middle finger and thumb
>but doing other stuff with index finger

how.
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>>124558331
Google is your friend. He's also admitted Muv-Luv was a major influence.

http://otanews.livedoor.biz/archives/51835694.html
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I don't understand how could a 5 minute tacked on scene in a 50 hours long VN that can basically be ignored and it'd change nothing in the plot, ruin the game for you. It seems you didn't like it much in the first place.
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>>124558331
Tech Gian magazine interview has Kouki and Isayama interacting with a magazine interviewer, where Isayama admits a lot of influence and themes were borrowed and inspired from Muv-Luv. There was annoyance but the death threats two years ago stem from Isayama using a famous real world Japanese IJA general as a model of Commander Pixus or whatever that guy's name, which pissed off a lot of nationalists in Japan.
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>>124558398
>If you don't like my porn games you need to fuck off to reddit
Sure.
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>>124558507
Kinda yeah, since /r/visualnovels is full of faggots like you who cry about H scenes in VNs.
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>>124558346
>FSN realta nua
The sex in FSN might have been forced most of the time, Fate route especially, but the shit that replaces the sex in RN is even worse.

Actually the dragon mana core thing is a neat idea, but it's executed so poorly, especially in the DEEN anime.
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Meiya was clearly best. I would choose Chizuru over Sumika too.
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>>124558507
>Muv-Luv
>porn game
Only in name m8, considering there's about 60 hours of content in Alternative between the two skippable sex scenes and flashback of Sumika's tentacle rape from the Superior.

That's a pretty shitty porn game if its main plot isn't about the fucking porn.
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>>124556214
>I cannot beieve they expect people to take Fagiri seriously.
Did you miss the part where Meiya (yamato damashii incarnate) called Fagiri a short-sighted fuckwitted murderer who has no right to talk about the will of the people?
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>>124558400

he's got both nipples pinched between his thumb and middle finger while he flicks his index fingers across the tips. Its very poorly worded but totally plausible. Just think of a scorpion and you'll get it... that or be completely confused.
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>>124558546
>Shitzuru
>ever

>>124558558
Pretty sure that was Takeru, Meiya just acknowledged he was in the wrong. Walken 4 life.
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>>124558454
>He's also admitted Muv-Luv was a major influence
That's what I said. I read the comments in the link and I still don't see a particularly strong reaction. To the point of
> Isayama was getting death threats for ripping off Muv-Luv to the point Kouki had to save him from Muv-Luv fans since several mailed in responses saying they were going to murder him for making such a shoody Alternative rip-off
Although, maybe the comment came from pressure from ML fans in the first place.
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>>124553039
this guy knows what's up. visual novels are so crap. all the hype is cause people love to self-insert and chase after their favorite color girl. the stories are always so awful they rely on sex to get some cheap sense of attachment.

picking different routes? literally choose your own adventure book that they aim at children.

where's a visual novel that doesn't have sex but has a secondary male protagonist with a strong personality who accompanies the male protagonist lead? they don't even exist! what kind of shit medium is that
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>>124558572
There was a strong negative reaction to SnK from Muv-Luv and other fans in general who accused Isayama of ripping off Muv-Luv's style. The death threats are a separate issue entirely but SnK had a terrible controversial start.

SnK is garbage either way, and Isayama's art is trash.
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>>124558592
>where's a visual novel that doesn't have sex but has a secondary male protagonist with a strong personality who accompanies the male protagonist lead?

Dies Irae Amantes Amentes.

Forever unavailable to clueless EOPs like you. Although now an anime adaptation might happen, so you might get some scraps.
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>>124558592
>where's a visual novel that doesn't have sex but has a secondary male protagonist with a strong personality who accompanies the male protagonist lead?

Steins;Gate, Robotics;Notes.
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>>124558592
mmmm, clannad maybe? I don't know how much sunohara counts as a secondary male protagonist
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>>124558603
shingeki no kyoujin?
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>>124558592
Nice generalizations, bro. A short sex scene or two usually come at the end of a route after all the build, drama and whatnot. You're thinking of Nukige.
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>>124558667
Yes.
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>>124558571
>Pretty sure that was Takeru, Meiya just acknowledged he was in the wrong.
【Meiya】「If you feel that strongly......for the country......the people......and for myself, Koubuin Yuuhi......」
【Meiya】「――Then why have you struck people down!?」\e
【Meiya】「Blood calls for more blood,\band war begets yet more war.What you have done to bring about such a state of affairs......can you truly say......phat it was done out of concern for the people or for myself?」
【Meiya】「Even if your true intention was to accurately convey my will, the Shogun's will to the people......does that grant you the right to destroy those who do not convey it, or even those who obstruct it......?」
【Meiya】「If you are allowed to do so, then by no means......do you have the right to blame the government for the effort it made to save the people at Mt. Tengen.」
【Capt. Sagiri】「............」
【Meiya】「By no means do you have the right to speak of the people's will......」

Bear in mind that at this point Meiya is also roleplaying Yuuhi who is pretty much the Grand Personification of Nippon Spirit.
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>>124555389
I still remember the Walken line telling (Yuuhi?) that he can't believe that his soldiers are giving their lives for such an infantile nation.
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>>124558795
These soldiers, they're un-fucking-believable
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>Jap Mechs tell the Americans to eat shit
>They immediately get their shit slapped by superior American Raptors
>Japs received free support from the Americans, until the Americans decided to pull out to keep themselves from losing additional human lives
>Japs hold grudge against America from not staying their overprotective big brother and handholding it

Japan comes off incredibly whiny in MuvLuv while America remains pragmatic. It's a realistic depiction.
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>>124558616
lol what a joke. i'd rather just read actual sutra or real daoism instead of some crap like that.

eop?
色不異空 空不異色 色即是空 空即是色

経典!凄い!

>>124558633
huge female cast with shit males besides the protagonist. dumb. i want guys doing stuff without a huge crappy female cast.

they simply don't exist.
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>>124558965
Sounds pretty gay m8
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>>124558965
>i want guys doing stuff without a huge crappy female cast.

Ah, so you're a homosexual.
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>>124558934
>Japs received free support from the Americans, until the Americans decided to pull out to keep themselves from losing additional human lives
It wasn't just that, it was also the fact that the Suez Front was on the edge of collapse, threatening a major shipping route needed to keep the flow of supplies going and risking a major land war in North Africa. In comparison, the situation in Japan had stabilized as the BETA advance slowed. Michiru says that the Americans made the right decision.
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>>124558995
>>124559003
good stories don't involve one guy and ten females. if i want porn i'll go read it. i want a story without a shit harem for horny loser otaku.
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>>124558934
>Japs received free support from the Americans, until the Americans decided to pull out to keep themselves from losing additional human lives
>Japs hold grudge against America from not staying their overprotective big brother and handholding it
Yeah, it's not like the Americans were under major treaty obligations to defend Japan or anything.
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>>124559094
>good stories don't involve one guy and ten females.
Says who?
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meiya and the robots are the only thing of value this series has to offer
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>>124559120
people who don't read visual novels :^)
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>>124559108
>Bitch that white piggu should stay out of culture
>White people leave Japan to their own devices
>FUCKING AMERICAN PIGS, HOW DARE THEY DISGRACE OUR GLORIOUS NIPPON
>Main character himself can't believe how terribly stupid Japan is
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>>124559157
I think the manga explains that Sagiri was supremely butthurt about the Americans dropping G-bombs on Hive 22 out of the blue with only minimal warning to the forces on the ground.
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>>124558711
Was this before or after the part where Takeru goes full author surrogate and says something along the lines of
>Oh man she's got to play this role but she's crying because she knows that in her heart he is nobly fighting from Nipponese spirit! Weep! Weep for Japan!

I really want to believe that the authors know Fagiri is retarded, and at one point I did, but knowing what I know now about how stupid Kouki is with political plots, I can't anymore.
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>>124552684
>mfw people are still raging best girl sumika won
muvluv is the gift that keeps on giving
you're next line will be "Sumika didn't win, she just forced reality so Takeru would choose her, sumika a shit stop liking what I don't like"
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>>124559127
Any girl who is ready to allow herself to get raped for her unrequited lover's benefit is Grade A waifu material.
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>>124559226
It's the bit where Meiya talks to Sagiri face to face. Well, right after this speech Takeru goes
>oh man you're doing exactly what Yuuhi would have done even in the face of unexpected information, that's really cool that you understand each other that well even though you've only met like once.
Also he thinks to himself a bit about how Yuuhi just wants the best for the common people.
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>>124559288
Can't rape the willing.
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>>124558592
>where's a visual novel that doesn't have sex but has a secondary male protagonist with a strong personality who accompanies the male protagonist lead

Chaos;Child
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>>124559332
It was probably enough to be noticed by Takeru.

It was undoubtedly the greatest joy she could feel as a woman.
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Sumika is best MuvLuv
I would dump my folder, but I'm not on my main PC right now. So this will do.
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>>124559324
My point is that my and every other (likely) American read on the scene was that Fagiri is a complete and utter fag stirring up trouble because he's butthurt about something stupid that doesn't matter in the slightest given the circumstances, and anywhere where you could interpret the game shitting on Fagiri, you did because that's what you wanted to have happen.

I want to believe that the story was on my side where everyone realizes how plainly stupid Fagiri acted, but that simply isn't the case. The reason why it seems like that is because the whole thing was so clumsily written that GRORIOUS NIPPON feels caricatured and ludicrous.

But if you take into account how this crap is played completely straight in spinoff works, it becomes clear (to me anyway) that no, I'm not in on the joke, the story was actually trying to present Fagiri's perspective as compelling.
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>>124559444
I don't think I've ever been more jealous of a character than Takeru having Meiya sit in his lap sharing a TSF.
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>>124558965
Please note that EOP isn't really meant to be understood in the literal sense, but simply as "someone who doesn't know Japanese".

And I would rather kill myself that be Chinese or have to learn Chinese, you fucking chink.
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Sumika is basically Sakura 2.0; a waifu bait woman for white-knight faggots that you're supposed to feel sorry for because she got raped and is jelly that Meiya could prove a danger to her because she is a lot more charming and attractive compared to her.
Change the dere-dere personality for a shitty tsundere one an you got Sumika.
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>>124559493
>I want to believe that the story was on my side where everyone realizes how plainly stupid Fagiri acted, but that simply isn't the case.
>But if you take into account how this crap is played completely straight in spinoff works, it becomes clear (to me anyway) that no, I'm not in on the joke, the story was actually trying to present Fagiri's perspective as compelling.
If you read it again, you'd realize that everybody recognizes that Fagiri ruined everything, but the difference is that Takeru and Walken just think he's an idiot while Tsukuyomi and Meiya think he's short-sighted but ultimately well intentioned. And also a complete tool, because ultimately he was played like a fiddle both by ultra-nationalistic radicals in his thinktank as well as by pro-Alternative V elements within the Central Intelligence Agency.
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>>124559825
No, that's what I thought the first time I read it, now I don't think that anymore because Total Eclipse was that bad.
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>>124559493
>But if you take into account how this crap is played completely straight in spinoff works
How? When? Where? In what spinoff work do they assert that Grorius Nippon should kick out all the filthy pigs? Total Eclipse Yuuya's issues with national identity are more strongly tied to his daddy issues and grandpappy bitching about his daddy than they are about race itself, and in TDA everyone's just trying to pick up the pieces after the Americans bombed the chessboard and there's not enough pieces for everyone. Meanwhile Euro Front is about West Germans with fabulous hair and Schwarzesmarken is about East Germans spying on each other.
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>>124559656
what the hell are you saying? that is japanese, fool. buddhist, daoist, and other sutras are blocks of kanji. that's why people pretend those games are so epic cause you need to know how to read chants and know lots of shinwa (japanese mythology)
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>>124559608
How DOES that pilot suit membrane feel against one's glans anyway?
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>>124559911
TE never discussed American influence on the Japanese government. At all. TE was just about how Yuuya hated his dad for going off and leaving his mom alone because "muh country", reinforced by his grandpa shittalking his dad and filthy jap (probably some bad feelings left over from WWII) at every opportunity he could get. But in the end his granddad secretly cared for him.

And then the second half of TE ends up being more about Russia and psychic Slavs than it is about Nippon.
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>>124559972
Like one of those squishy water toy things that the onahole industry gives to little kids to indoctrinate them.

But seriously, maximum jelly during that scene. If only someone had the foresight to invent smell-o-vision before Unlimited came out.
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