Utena

No matter how high your bar is by the end, Penguindrum will surpass it

Watch more anime. Plenty are better than Utena.

Stop shitposting, please.

Don't be terrified by how high the bar will be set.
Be terrified by how much of a pretentious fag you will be after watching it.

>>124229612
I've watched a shit ton, put Utena at bottom of backlog due to advice from multiple different sources. The show has not disappointed, glad I held this off so long.

>>124229711
You're either baiting or you're new as fuck and think you've watched a lot.

>>124229612
Whoa whoa whoa - Utena's easily 3x3 material. In fact, I've seen far more shitty 3x3s without it than 3x3s with it.

>>124229827
And?

3x3 are supposed to be Anime you like not "most critically appreciated anime of all time."

Also go watch Rose of Versailles kid.

Sailor Moon >> MPD >> Utena >>YKA

>>124229868
What are you even implying? That the people who put Utena in their 3x3 are just following critical opinion?

>>124229868
Rose is good too, but that doesn't mean that Utena's bad. You're talking two completely different series, and I will make the justifiable argument that Utena's a better series.

Think about this: Ikuhara's appreciated as an anime genius, but SM and Utena are his only two series that aren't regarded as flops. That's pretty high-tier.

>>124230045
I was just saying Rose of Versialles is what Ikuhara used as basis for Utena. Look up interviews.

>>124229949
Every anime is 3x3 worthy.

>>124230134
So? Ideon was Anno's basis for Evangelion, but that doesn't mean that Ideon's better than Evangelion; most people who have seen both series will still cede that one to Eva.

And the majority of anime aren't 3x3 worthy. 90% of every season isn't 3x3 worthy.

>>124230134
>every anime is 3x3 worthy
What.

>>124230224
And I'd consider Oniisama e along with Utena as better than Rose (even though they were both influenced by the latter).

It was an influential anime, but influential doesn't necessarily mean "the best" (though that's not to say Rose is by any means bad).

>>124229484
oh boy, nostalgia thread! Brace for /m/faggotry.

>>124230224
>>124230272

3x3 are your favorite anime. Your favorite anime don't have to be critically appreciated at all.

My 3x3 gets constantly shit on because I actually stick to this rule.

>>124230369
Which rule? That they don't have to be critically appreciated? Of course they don't have to, but >>124229612 combined with >>124229868 seems to suggest that you think "better" means "more critically acclaimed," which is ridiculous.

>>124230369
This from the same person claiming that Rose is objectively better than Utena?

>>124230416
You're illiterate. Just shut the fuck up.

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>>124229484

Just remember that Juri will always love you tenderly from afar.

>>124230469
You're the one who doesn't understand how "better" works.

>>124230433

I never said that.

>>124230134
>>124229947
>>124229868
>>124230369


>>124230469
Also not me.

>>124230416
You need to learn reading comprehension.

>Utena's easily 3x3 material. In fact, I've seen far more shitty 3x3s without it than 3x3s with it.

You should put Utena on your 3x3 if you loved it. If it was one of 9 best anime you've ever watched not because it's 3x3 material.

>>124230614
>You need to learn reading comprehension.
That's my line. No one's trying to imply that you should put an anime you disliked on your 3x3 because of some standard for 3x3 material.

>>124230416

>Thinking those posts were made by the same person

This is my second post. By better, I meant my own personal opinion and nothing suggests otherwise. >>124229612

>>124230720
By saying "watch more anime," you're suggesting that anyone that's well-watched will have anime they enjoy more than Utena, which is simply untrue; Utena holds its own weight against the compilation of all anime before and after it.

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>>124230808
>that's well-watched will have anime they enjoy more than Utena, which is simply untrue

Are you serious?

I can name at least 25 anime better than Utena.

Is the Utena film worth watching at all or is it just an awkwardly compressed version of the show?

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>Hey guise

>>124230872
Then name them. All 25, preferably with how they're objectively better than Utena.
>>124230951
The film's completely different than the anime. It's definitely worth your time to watch both.

>>124230872
He's saying that plenty of well-watched people with respectable taste have Utena as one of their very favorite shows, not that every one of those people do.

>>124230808
>you're suggesting that anyone that's well-watched will have anime they enjoy more than Utena

That's usually the case, but I guess it couldn't always be true. How much anime have you seen?

>Utena holds its own weight against the compilation of all anime before and after it.

It's great, but it's not even my favorite anime that released in 1997.

>>124230994
Nah burden of proof is on your end guy. You have to prove why Utena is better all anime before and after it.

>>124231020
>How much anime have you seen?
Enough that I don't keep count anymore
>It's great, but it's not even my favorite anime that released in 1997.
It's my favorite of '97, but to be fair '97 was a stacked year. Your answer could be Berserk or Oh My Goddess!, and you even had the second season of TWHE.

>>124231205
No, the burden of proof is on you to present why Utena doesn't hold its own weight. I've presented a valid argument that it holds its own weight that's backed by critical opinion; if you're going to make a statement like "at least 25 anime are better than X," the burden of proof's on you to list 25 anime.

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>>124231205
>THERE ARE 25 WHOLE ANIMES BETTER THAN UTENA.
>Okay, name one.
>BUH BUH BURDEN OF PUHROOOOOOOF.

Do at least on some level realize how retarded you sound?

Utena is a bit too hetero for me.

>>124229563
True dat. Penguindrum > Utena.

>>124231319
>animes

>>124231300
Go on MAL; there's a lot of critical opinions there.
Ranked #314; You said it was backed by critcial opinion.

There's 313 anime better than Utena.

Guess I'll be tipping my fedora and leaving now.

I've never watched Utena

>>124229484
Is this what bait looks like, daddy?

>>124231233
>Enough that I don't keep count anymore

500+?

>It's my favorite of '97, but to be fair '97 was a stacked year.

End of Evangelion and Princess Mononoke also came out that year. I wouldn't consider anything you mentioned as good as Utena. I guess it's overall in my top 30, though, thinking about it.

>>124231481
I generally think of films apart from serialized media, but if we're saying both then you're right, you could say EoE or Mononoke.

And probably 500+, definitely 200-300+.

>>124231630
>definitely 200+
>probably 500+
>padding by giving a range as a lower bound
DAMAGE CONTROL

>>124231630
Yeah me too I probably watched 500 +/- 500.

>>124231730
I have no idea how many I've honestly watched. I know I've watched at least that many because I've been watching seasonally since '09-'10 (10-15*4*6=240-300), but I've seen all the ones we've been talking about as well. I'm not going to play internet tough guy and say "Oh yeah, over 500 for sure." I feel like I've watched at least 200 older series, but a lot of those series are 150ish episodes by themselves.

>>124231630
Save up to fifteen percent or more.

>>124231870
No, anon, 10-15*4*6=-350, silly.

>>124231481

Not Pokemon. Ya fucking scrub.

>>124231942
>>>/vp/

>>124231870
I've seen into the upper thousands, and I can tell you from a wealth of experience that Kill la Kill is the best anime ever made. Utena's got nothin' on it.

>>124231870
You watch every airing anime for the last 6 years.

Bullshit.

>>124231988
Did you even fucking read his post? He said his average was at least ten a season. There are forty-something this season.

>>124231988
There are over 40 anime airing this season; 10-15's 1/4-1/3.

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>>124229484
Wait till you see the movie OP. Only then will you know how truly shitty everything has become.

ZETTAI

UNMEI

>>124230872
Milky Holmes sucks.

Anime is better in literally every way now.
Enjoy your blurry, overshaded dated-looking square aspect ratio trash with ultra simplistic stories or edgy gore ovas, nostalgiafags.
We didn't even get anything like mature storytelling until Paranoia Agent.

>>124232784
Please stop existing.

>>124231319
>name one
You asked for 25, and a fucking essay for each

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>what the fuck happened to anime?

Anime is fine. You're not going to get a masterpiece every season.

>>124229824
I've watched around 430 or so

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>>124233119
>I've watched 430
>but I haven't watched Utena
fucking what dude

>>124232690
MOKUSHIROKU

>>124229484
This
>>124233038

Utena is my favourite though

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>>124233171
in that case just watch it again, can't ever go wrong with returning to favorites.

I've always personally felt like Utena was a bit overrated, but it's a treat to watch every time. Never any episodes where it starts feeling like a slog to get through. That's what I love about Utena and MPD both, wish Ikehura could have pulled off the same thing in YKA.

>>124230994
Aria
Haibane Renmei
Haruhi
Azumanga Daioh
Non Non Biyori
Madoka
Clannad
Code Geass
LoGH
Spice and Wolf
Nichijou

Want me to keep going?

>>124233377
lmao. Had myself a good laugh. I don't even like Utena that much, yet it's better than everything you just named. Please keep going.

Honestly the best title you named there is Code Geass and Haruhi. That's sad.

>>124233377
>Nichijou
Nigga are you even trying

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>>124233377
>Geass
>Nichijou
are we talking strictly about enjoyment out of the series or what

>>124229484
you have good taste my friend, but utena is only like top 25 at the very best
the rabbit hole is deep for those willing

>>124229484
Money, that's what happenned.

They realized who are the real money makers: the otaku.
So now, almost every anime is the same fanservice shit, with the same 4 kinds of story, the same 4 characters and so on.
This got even worse with the economical crisis, now they don't only want money, they NEED to make money.

>>124233377
You are an idiot, a troll, 14 yo or all of them at the same time.

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>>124233563
>Honestly the best title you named there is Code Geass and Haruhi. That's sad.
jesus am i getting baited or what

>>124233609
i'm really interested in what you think are the 24 better than utena. i've watched over 150 television shows while always trying to strive only to watch the best of the best, and i feel like the only tv i can give 10/10s to are texhnolyze, utena and tatami.

>>124233740
>>>/tv/

>>124233784
if you don't understand what i mean when I divide anime into categories such as "television" then you need to watch more anime.

>>124233740
Sailor Moon > Utena

>>124233882
comparing a commercialized work of entertainment to the work of an auteur is meaningless.

>>124233882
>>124233979
this
sailor moon is fucking good for what it is but they operate on different levels

>>124233377
>Want me to keep going?
Yes, because I could use another laugh.

>>124229484
I just finished Utena recently and it's an unrivalled masterpiece. I used to think all talk about older anime was just nostalgiafagging like Evangelion but Utena truly is just that good.

>>124233882
Take off the nostalgia goggles.

>>124229563
Currently rewatching MP, I forgot how good it looked, animation budget is like 20 times bigger than what YKA had.

>>124234240
The BDs removed the QUALITY but YKA didn't have that much.

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>>124229563
Best of Ikehura's endings by a long shot

>>124234335
I don't even remember the TV version having issues with that.

>>124234338
You mean weakest.

>>124233739
>tripfag
What do you think?

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>>124234407
Nope. There's not even a contest here. Overall I wouldn't argue that Penguindrum is his best work, but it's definitely his best climax / ending.

>>124233617
Do you buy anime? If you care so deeply you should support anime you want to see more of.