How do you guys feel about this?

>>122594440
Can't read moonrune, care to let me in on what the exact details of the graph are? Guessing net worth of the characters or respective animes

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>>122594539
>Those animator wages
This is why anime is dying

Animators getting paid so little while VAs get paid most of the anime's budget is fucking bullshit

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Anime is not very profitable.

>>122594539
that shit was an official art?

KyoAni's staff only get payed 90,000 yen a month, I know Kyoto is cheaper then Tokyo but Ghibli pays more.

Rough Draft pays 18,000 won a month.

But in the end, TMS is TMBest paying at 1,320,000 yen a month at least.

>>122594590
No, it's not official, it was made by a Shirobako fan.

>>122594646
thanks god, i thought nips went even more full autistic than before with the anime related graphs

>>122594539
Why exactly do CG Animators get paid way more than 2D Animators? From the images it looks like the only 2D Animators that get paid more than a CG Animator is the Chief Animator which I imagine is a very hard job to get unless you have many shows under your belt.

>>122594539
>600k annual for an a-list seiyuu.
why do they make 3-4 times the salary of doctors?

>>122594599
Do you have a single source to back this up?

>>122594539
Thank you. Wow most of those wages suck. Why are a-list voice actors worth so much?

>>122594440
I assume these are annual salaries? Is it even possible to live off of these? Almost everything below director would be considered nearing poverty in the USD; hell, Ema makes sub-$1k USD/month.

Are living expenses just really low in nipland?

>>122594671
They give life to characters. Dumbo. Without them the shows would just be animation and that is lame.

>>122594671
That still pales compared to an A-List Hollywood live action actor, doesn't it?

Because the world is fucked up.

>>122594440
>>122594539
>$9,400 a year
How do you even live.

>>122594671
What about football players? On that scale, seiyuu seem underpaid.

>>122594681
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/artist-rights/japans-animation-industry-isnt-just-tough-its-illegally-harsh-110074.html

>Interesting, at TMS/Telecom’s staff back in 2003 was getting payed $5200 a month at least (not counting overtime or the extra money they get payed per timing sheet/storyboard/drawing), now they get payed $13,200 a month at least due to inflation & tolerance to do shows that the staff may not like.

>They get their pay check money from Conan royalties (before that I have no idea other then western companies paying TMS so much that they just pay the animators per hour due to how much money the studio was getting from the west).

>In short, they’re like The Simpsons voice cast of animators.

>>122594740
without bathroom

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>I make as much as a series director

>>122594665

honestly just a guess: software/training for CG costs more than the materials a key animator would use so they get paid comparably

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>>122594671
It is actually hard to make it as a seiyuu.
Only 1 out of 300k aspiring seiyuu actually make it yearly. To be an A-list seiyuu it is even harder.

Most of them just end up failing with no proper school qualification and end up doing JAV to make end meet.

>>122594688
>>122594671
Because they have a multitude of sources of income. Live events, music CDs, radio shows, etc. They make a lot of money by doing a lot of work.

How do I read this? Oi has an annual income of 2280000 yen = 187000 usd?

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>>122594706
and without doctors all you motherfuckers would be dead

>>122594671
because some autistic faggot made this

>>122594749
Some random guy in a comments thread is not a valid source of information.

>>122594690
The chart is bullshit and Shirobako is not real life

Jesus fucking Christ, /a/. You've really outdone yourself this time. You'll believe anything as long as it's graphed.

>>122594830
万 = 10,000. You're off by one sig fig.

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Step up.

>>122594539
I fucking wash dishes for a living and I make more than a Production Assistant(with overtime)?

>>122594892

I'm skeptical on the rest as well but key animators are known to make hardly enough to live on.

>>122594892
>and Shirobako is not real life

The non-waifu version of this chart's been around for a while, m8

>>122594911
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1253981513/the-next-big-anime/

step up,fag

>>122594892
Pretty sure you're talking shit.
>http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-11-02/animator's-salaries

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>>122594951
Don't advertise your shit here.

>>122594912
this is not surprising.

>>122594539
>>122594440

So why do they use CG when it looks like shit and costs more?

>>122594979
>and costs more?

Dipshit.

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>>122594979

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What kind of small ass apartments do these animators live in? jesus fuck

>>122594671
Because there are a million doctors, but only a few dozen A-list seiyuu. Supply and demand.

>>122594440
I don't care, stop making this shit thread.

>>122594959
>http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-11-02/animator's-salaries
>26.8% earn less than 1 million yen (US$8,500 approx.) annually, 19.6% earn between 1 million yen and 2 million yen (US$17,000 approx.) annually, 18.6% earn between 2 million yen and 3 million yen (US$25,700 approx.) annually. 65% of Japanese animators earn less than 3 million yen annually.

So the chart is bulllshit. Exactly as I said

>>122595010
There's also doctors that make more than those a-list seiyuu. Anon is just a retard.

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>>122594671
>>122594688
Because they sell products, obviously. That's the same reason Hollywood actors make a lot of money, more people will watch your movie or show if it has a popular actor in it, and that makes those actors more valuable and in turn able to demand a higher salary.

>>122594748
GIVE SOLDIERS THE SAME WAGE AS FOOTBALL PLAYERS

>>122594979
Because it's easier and less time-consuming for things like mechanical objects.

>>122595022
The stuff you quoted doesn't contradict the chart in any way.

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>>122594599
>90,000 yen a month
>742.2498 US Dollar
I got paid more back during my part-time job. God damn.

And everyone wonders why animation is dying. Studios would rather spend money on a CG worker than a traditional artist. In the end the only important people are the ones who draw key frames and they get paid shit compared to CG workers too.

What's worse is that Shirobako is making people more interested in joining the animation job. Job wages will likely be less if more animators flood the market. Guess I should work on my CG and laugh at the hand drawn animators on the way to the bank.

>>122594959
>2005

>>122594959
>According to Salary.com, the average salary for an animator in the United States is US$55,000.
>55,000
Over five times what is represented on that chart.

/a/ really will believe anything in graph form.

>>122594979
>costs more
Not sure if you're trolling, but do you realize how much more time/frames/coordination it takes to make any significant hand-drawn sequence? There's a lot more money than just salary v salary.

If you watch the show, they have like 2 in-house CGI animators doing all their CGI, where they have 5-10 in-house and 20+ outsourced hand-drawn animators doing sketchwork and keyframes.

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>>122595010
well fuck, I guess if you put it that way. still shitty though.

>>122595058
Only the bottom 26% of animators make as little as what is represented on that chart. It's intentionally misleading, while the majority of animators make 3 times as much.

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Keep in mind that VAs also do side jobs related to their anime.

>>122595059
That guy's making things up, just so you know.

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>>122595059
KyoAni is a horrible company.

>>122595092
>5-10 in-house and 20+ outsourced hand-drawn animators doing sketchwork and keyframes
Don't forget that the PMs have to make sure each cut is done in time and shit. It's like building a kit with tape instead of glue.

>>122595082
>in the United States
>>>/co/

>>122595082

Absolutely no one here has any clue how much any of the people represented in the chart actually make. None of that information is provided by the show anyway. It's mindless conjecture

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>>122595038
yes but only if you are a rockstar radiologist, orthopedic surgeon or dermatologist with your own practice.

>>122595082
>tfw I only earn $10k annually
Welp gotta work harder this year.

>>122595148
>K-ON! was a mistake - Naoko Yamada

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>>122595107
Animators "in their 20s".
Learn to read, idiot.

>>122594979
Girls und Panzer will never be made without CG.
Think about that.

>>122595093
Well, depending on your specialty and how you balance public/private work, there are doctors who hit the high 6-figure range, at least here in Australia. Though it does require a bit of initiative to actually get to that level.

>>122594440
1. No sources
2. Doesn't include any voice actors aside from the A-list voice actors. Non A-list voice actors make up the majority of voice actors and they get paid significantly lower.
3. The category of A-list VA is subjective.

>>122594959
>26.8% earn less than 1 million yen (US$8,500 approx.)
26 percent you say? Go ahead and graph it as industry standard! /a/ will believe anything!

>>122595148
Like any job, the atmosphere depends on the people there. I bet there are studios similar to that of Musani.

>>122595082
>>122595082
>the average salary for an animator in the United States is US$55,000.
>animator in the United States
>United States

That's the point, dipshit. If you actually read the article, the point was that US animators make 5x+ that of their Japanese counterparts.

>>122595061
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-05-24/labor-group/animators-in-their-20s-earn-us$11600-a-year

>inb4 >2009
Do your own fucking research

>>122595154
what do you mean each cut is done in time? care to explain?

>>122595038
this, is like a-list director, a-list doctor, a-list jobber, a list-football player, of course they will make it more. anon is just a retard

>>122595241
> 20s earned an average annual salary of 1.1 million yen (US$11,600),
>staffers in the 30s earned an average annual salary of 2.14 million yen (US$22,600).
>veteran creators in their 40s and 50s who are getting by on 3 million yen (about US$31,000) a year.
B-BUT THE SHIROBAKO GOSPEL TELLS ME ANIMATORS MAKE 9,000!!

>>122595234
But Ema is a 20-some newcomer, and that's what she'd earn in the real world. The graph's accurately depicting character would-be salaries, not "industry standards."

>>122595107
No, chart is made to represent Ema, the lowest of the low in chart.
She was a freshie that can't draw fast so she doesn't get a lot of money. They are paid based on # of cuts. They are essentially getting paid while getting trained to draw.

>>122595327
The chart SAYS 1.1 million yen. The fact that it's $9,400 vs $11,600 now is because the dollar's stronger than it was 5 years ago. Learn to conversion rates.

>>122595243
All the animation work has to be collected on time for the screening and then final product. They can't just VA and add sounds to rough drafts.

>>122595335
>not "industry standards."
Gee, I wonder how it's interpreted on /a/

>>122594573
>>122594599
>>122594665
>>122594688
>>122594690

Face it, this graph is complete bullshit.

>>122595355
chart was made for retards that will believe it

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>>122595327
>20s earned an average annual salary of 1.1 million yen (US$11,600)
That's the point of the chart.
Learn to read, you fucking idiot.

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So how much do you guys reckon someone like this makes?

notable roles include: kenpachi (bleach), gendo (NGE), sloth (FMAB), hasegawa (gintama), youpi (hxh) etc etc

>>122595384
Most of this people in this thread obviously aren't watching the show. The chart was made for people who watch the show. Ema would make ~1.1 million yen IRL, so that's why it's represented that way. What about this gives you such problems?

>>122595355
So what's Endou's pay? His an Art Director so I imagine him being between Ema and that goth girl's pay.

>>122595448
>The chart was made for people who watch the show.
Orly?
>>122594930
>The non-waifu version of this chart's been around for a while, m8

The chart is misleading bullshit and /a/ eats it right the fuck up because they're stupid.

>>122595376
what is this "AR" that happens after editing?

>>122595384
The chart specifically says it's what an average 20yo animator earns.
It even gives the source.
www.janica.jp/survey/2009symposium_rundown.pdf

>>122595481
>>The non-waifu version of this chart's been around for a while, m8
Where?

>>122594440
Knowing that my Chinese cartoons are made by slaves make them more enjoyable to watch.

>>122595481
>The chart is misleading bullshit and /a/ eats it right the fuck up because they're stupid.
What about it's misleading? The chart says a 20-year old animator makes 1.1mil yen, and a 20-year old animator makes on average 1.1mil yen. What exactly is misleading about that?

>>122595462
Probably around or about the same as the ep director dude.

>>122595185
That's the fucking point.
You are looking at a fucking rockstar voice actor.
Stop being retarded.

>>122595462
He's an animation director. See>>122595204

>>122595548
He can't read Japanese.
That's what misleading.

>>122594740
I make less than that.
I still live with my parents.

>>122595448
>1.1 million yen IRL
Because making less than 10k USD a month is considered absurd and general shit. That's a pay for an animator. Now you see most regular part-timers get close to that much in a year and those part-timers also have other jobs. That's why it causes discussion. Animators get paid shit for what we love.

>>122595493
After record (dubbing).

>>122595204
>turn 70
>get your paycheck cut by 94%

>>122595564
Can't read moon, Anon.
Which number on the chart are you directing me to? Number 7?

>>122595613
Read what I'm replying to, dumbass. I'm not arguing that 1.1mil yen isn't a low salary, I'm arguing that the chart isn't inaccurate and the person I'm replying to can't read Japanese.

>>122595639
Japanese don;t live that long.

>>122595107
As you can see, there are two animators on that chart, and they make very different amounts of money.

>>122595679
THE PLOT THICKENS
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.LE00.IN

>>122595650
Ask this guy >>122595022
He seems knowledgeable about the industry.

>>122594539
Aren't most of those wages under the poverty line in the US?

>>122595720
No, that anon can't read japanese
>chart indicates "20 year old animator"
>hurrr, only a newcomer would make that much

>some garbage data from a shit anime
>somehow close to reality

hahahahahahaha

>>122595481
>Orly?
Yes. It was originally posted by a Shirobako fan in a Shirobako thread. I don't know what you think it is.

>>122595772
It's not from Shirobako, dipshit.

>>122595772

>implying the data is from the anime

>>122595775
>Shirobako fan in a Shirobako thread

autism

>>122595650
2. storyboard
3. director
4. episode director
5. chief animation director
6. animation director
7. key animator
8. layout/rough animation
9. 2nd key animator
10. inbetween checker
11. inbetween

Keep in mind that these are what a person get paid if he only does 1 job in a whole year and this rarely happens in real life.
A director will also sometimes does storyboarding and an animation director will also does layout and key animation, for example.

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>>122595564
>28.6k
My Mom makes more. Then again, she's a professor with a doctorate and shit.

I want to join animation, but those pays seem like slave labor. Guess you just have to work your way up like any other job.

>>122595875
US animation pays a lot more. Just don't go to nipland.

>>122594539
>A McDonalds job in Australia would net you more than a series director.

Wut.

>>122595875
fuck that shit, just go into academia like your mother. easier job with better pension and pay

>>122595772
>only newfags or extremely retarded faggots will understand this

>Sluts being paid more than people with actual skill sets
What's new?

>>122594740
I could live with that, I spend about 500 to 600 a month.

>>122595936
CAPITALISM IN ACTION

>>122595936
you understand nothing at all.

>>122595903
There is no career progress for burger flipper.
Ema worst case scenario is a stay home housewife while her idealized job is to be a character designer.

>>122595936
Don't you have a cat to fuck, Hiraoka?

>>122595908
>easier job with better pension and pay
>In 2015
Quality advice

>>122595936
>animators
>skilled
HA HA HA.
If they're really good, they would become a mangaka or LN illustrator.

>>122595955
So the bigwigs like Sadomoto or the Chief Animatos. I imagine it requires a lot of time to reach that level.

>>122595997
If you can get into a good position you're set for life.

If you never get tenure and spend your life flitting between associate and lecturer positions you're shit out of luck.

>>122595941
Including rent, food, housing, taxes, utility, transportation, etc?