Daily reminder that all the katanas in your anime are made of what superior European sword smiths would refer to ass "pig iron" and is completely shit tier.
there are still sword smiths in europoor?? holy fuck haven't you guys ever heard of guns and tanks and whatnot? lol no wonder you still live in castles and still have queens and everything. you guys pretty much NEVER developed from the dark ages
Not really, they're just so far advanced that they can afford the luxury of employing trained experts to build things with no practical purpose at all.
It's called being an industrialized country.
that the katana is a shit tier sword compared to even 1000AD European sword
Let's not be too unfair; France did have a revolution after all.
England are the laughing stock; those idiots still worship kings and queens. They get outrageous amounts of money from the government, don't pay taxes, and do absolutely nothing.
>he hasnt seen the other half of the gif where the swords are swapped and it cuts right through
Is this a to love ru thread or medieval /k/ bitching
Daily reminder that all your European surrender cuck swords cannot beat the Patton Saber.
Patton Saber>Katana>Filthy peasant-raping tier metal stick
This. Everyone knows you keep it sheathed, do some ultra slash combo in half a second, then sheath it again, then whatever you sliced will look intact but actually be in pieces.
>implying the starting material matters when you can fold it over 1000 times
Do you even nip?
>implying it wouldnt snap in half when hit with a broadsword even if you folded it it 10 times that
Pig iron is an unfinished product, of course it is. Europeans weren't even making quality steel in the Medieval and Renaissance eras. They were getting Wootz steel from India.
You mean the tasteful picture book by master artist Hoshino Fuuta?
All iron is the .jpg of irons until it goes through the refinement processes necessary to turn it into quality steel.
That's a common misconception actually
While it's true that the pig iron has more carbon than the European counterparts, after proper refining, the end results are often just as strong as any western metalworks
If proper physics were to be the judge, the Katana will always win against the Longsword mainly because the single edge gives it a stronger backbone. Furthermore, the curve design grants it the ability to concentrate the slice into a single point which, at the same time, also prevents it from 'biting' into bones.
There is a reason why the west switched from the straight swords into the curved, single edge ones like the Cutlass and Sabres. It just happened that the Japs figured it out sooner.
actually it was because of horses. The Japanese process of refinement and metallurgy were both shit tier. Also reminder that 99% of katanas were folded 8 times max
You don't understand Japanese sword isn't strong because of the iron or how many times is folded It's strong because they are made to fuse with the spirit of a skilled swordman at the hands of skilled swordman both the spiritl of the katana and swordman will cut through anything
>Cutlasses are famous for being used by pirates, although there is no reason to believe that Caribbean buccaneers invented them, as has sometimes been claimed. However, the subsequent use of cutlasses by pirates is well documented in contemporary sources, notably by the pirate crews of William Fly, William Kidd, and Stede Bonnet. French historian Alexandre Exquemelin reports the buccaneer Francois l'Ollonais using a cutlass as early as 1667. Pirates used these weapons for intimidation as much as for combat,
>but sabers are designed for the purpose of sweeping down at foot soldiers from a whorse
A longsword has longer reach than a sabre
dat angle though
That's amusing. Because CRTs actually offer much better quality than LCDs.
The only thing LCDs and plasma have over it is the smaller size.
The only thing that rivals CRTs are the non-cheat version of LED displays.
>European sword smiths would refer to ass "pig iron" and is completely shit tier.
It's the same fucking iron as you can find anywhere in Europe. The Japs had bad ore, not bad iron.
What about my waifu's katana? Forged by youkai, the things Roukanken can't cut are next to none.
So, what if they forged a katana made from really good steel?
Basically, jap smiths had to do a shitload of work just to make a decent sword, and even then the blades broke and bended to the point that the samurai never even parried with them out of fear that the sword would become useless.
That's because the way a longsword is used is different from a katana's use.
War evolved in two different directions, and it's normal, after all Europe and Japan are kind of far away, especially at a time when neither train nor plane existed.
That's what's called having a different culture.
Contradictory to popular belief, the Samurais trained in mounted archery and their melee weapon is the Naginata. The Katana is purely a ceremonial weapon used only as a last line of defense. Swordsmen in Japan are looked down upon because, technically speaking, they consider the Katana as merely subclass of the polearms.
Such were their disdain for the swords that they never invented shields to accommodate it.
In feudal Japan, the archers rule, followed by the spearmen. Swords are used only as a desperate measure, or for hijacking ships.
I can't tell why it is gaining popularity now but I'm pretty sure that it has something to do with the fact that swords are seen as a symbol of authority
A bread knife and a larding knife have different use. A cook wouldn't think about comparing the two.
Likewise, a longsword and a katana have different use. They can't be "objectively" compared, it's all a matter of taste and the way the people prefer to fight.
There's no better one, they're too different.
The opposite happens in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo
I'm not sure which one to believe. I'd say both are a little biased. The katana in the gif could've been shit tier and the same could apply to the Europoor sword in the video too.
That does not mean that I can't compare them now, can I?
The only advantage that I see in the longsword is the reach and the fact that it can be used for halfswording...which is good against armor. But in terms of flexibility and endurance, curve swords still fares better than the straight swords. (The thrusting swords are a different topic though)
Thrusting swords best.
I came across the Patton saber wiki article a few weeks back for reasons I can't remember and Patton said this in a report on the weapon:
>The French dragoons, on the contrary, used only the point which, with their long straight swords caused almost always a fatal wound. This made the English protest that the French did not fight fair.
This part made me think of someone screaming in French at the English "GIT GUD".
>Thrusting swords best.
Yup. No doubt about it.
History shows that while cutting is messy, stabs are the death sentence. (I would prefer a spear as a personal preference though)
Dark Souls has a pretty good representation of how katanas are supposed to work I'd say (outside of silly things like the washing pole, obviously). They excel at cutting flesh (i.e bleeding the opponent), but break very easily.
1400-1600s Yurop had full plate armor, had reached the pinnacle of combat with two-handed swords (and those were rendered totally obsolete against plate armor), had the most brutal two-handed weapons, the most effective infantry formations, the most effective bows and archers, and both the toughest and light cavalry as well as the most effective light cavalry. There were so many warriors they ran out of wars and went mercenary. Swiss mercs were so good other nations would get into bidding wars just to NOT fight them.
Japan, really the rest of the world, was left in Europe's dust. Hence why it was Europe curbstomping and exploiting other civilizations around the globe and not the other way around. Much like the curbstomping USA does today.
Finally, some people who understands warfare. Not even /k/ will admit that cutting swords are useless as shit
Puny plate armour wouldn't stand a chance against a japanese Katana.
Unlike other weapons the Japanese Katana is folded over 15.000 times and it's edge is grinded down
to atomthin sharpness.
Experts agree on the fact that warriors who double wielded this mighty weapon, had the strength
of 60 solidiers on the battlefield.
The Japanese Katana was clearly designed to cut through plates of hardned steel
, multiple kilometers in thickness.
It is still used in modern combat, for example in the bombing of Russia in 1995 when
japanese pilots threw Japanese Katanas out of the planes. The huge impact of these swords
caused explosions with 180 million megatons of explosions.
There is no other weapon that can beat the Japanese Katana.
>Thrusting swords best
Which kind of sword do you prefer? Personally, I consider the rapier the epitome of design/functionality. I just can't take the small sword seriously, even if it is more effective.
>Daily reminder that all the katanas in your anime are made of what superior European sword smiths would refer to ass "pig iron" and is completely shit tier.
>in your anime
My point was that most blades in anime are not katanas but oversized hunks of iron.
They were few, but they existed.
>tfw no Naginata-wielding waifu.
Surprised to see somebody with actual good taste in cavalry sabres.
All I know is, you give me a scutum, and it's gonna take at least 2 guys to bring me down. The short thrusting blade means when I come in close fucking your game up even more with my big shield, I'm also more deadly. The spears are for when you're in formation. Shit's pretty tight.
Jesus, they are weapons with different purposes, you can't compare them.
Imagine you have a longsword in one side and a katana in the other, suddenly one crazy dude shows up trying to kill you with a knife, if the crazy dude has an armor you chose the longsword, if he doesn't have an armor you chose the katana.
Ottomans got fucking shut down at malta though
>Churchill gave the signal to attack by cutting down the enemy Feldwebel (sergeant) with a barbed arrow, becoming the only British soldier known to have felled an enemy with a longbow in WWII.
>As the ramps fell on the first landing craft, Churchill leapt forward from his position playing "March of the Cameron Men" on his bagpipes, before throwing a grenade and running into battle in the bay.
Alpha as fuck.
Considering raw materials to finished product, the Japanese smiths simply devoted more effort to their craft.
The Europeans manage better final products because they don't need to invest half their craft into making Iron worth fabricating with.
Stop with the dick waving contest, comparing the same level of craftsmen gives no significant edge to one side or the other.
Europeans new all about those blade folding methods but they weren't used because it wasn't worth the effort. Good steel, proper fuller and few other thing were enough to make a sword with decent combat ability and were much faster than folding it.
>There is a reason why the west switched from the straight swords into the curved, single edge ones like the Cutlass and Sabres.
Yes, because people stopped wearing armour since firearms rendered it ineffective.
Europeans used curved swords at least since the 7th century, they were mostly popular for a civilian context though, not for war where usually heavy armour was worn.
Not blocking and not parrying are two completely different things. Entire schools of Jap swordsmanship revolve around a parry-strike technique. You appear to be genuinely retarded.
>herp derp what are oji-waza
>The katana in the gif could've been shit tier and the same could apply to the Europoor sword in the video too.
It wasn't shit tier, it was made with imported steel in a historical fashion. The katana used in your video is a Paul Chen replica made of modern steel. The longsword they used was a blunt training weapon, made of modern steel too.
If you look how katana are structured this is the result to expect. Katana have a very hard and brittle steel edge and an iron spine. If you hit something that is comparably hard, then the edge might chip away, leaving only the soft back which is eager to bend under such force.
European swords on the other hand aren't just hardened, they are also tempered, giving them a more springy structure. They're less hard on average but they can withstand an impact easily by being flexible. This also means that they can be made thinner, giving them more acute points that can easily be thrust into gaps of an enemy armour - not to mention allows for swords like rapiers to be made, which would be impossible with a Japanese technique.