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>animator being paid less than college student
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It's basically a rule of thumb that the person who works the most, earns the least.

This is a universal fact of life.
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Is that only voice acting works or also idol related shits? Because top tier VAs are basically idols.
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>>117162590
i don´t ge it, why a chief animator makes more than a series director? he´s is the mind behind everything, right?
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ayy lmao
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How long until she whores herself out to make ends meet?
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How low is in-betweener's income? Or do they get payed so little you can't even make a chart out of it?
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Animators earn so little because they only do a few cuts per episode. The Chief Animation Director works on the entire series, and all cuts tend to go through them.
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>A-list voice actor

KFW
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>>117162744
I think it's pretty much idol related. Doubt someone who can't even get a role every season makes as much as someone who voiced three or more main characters per season and releases music albums and whatnot on top of that.
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>voice actors suck up half the budget so everybody else gets jack
Why even bother?
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>>117162590
>Animator makes the last.
>Chief animator makes more than the series director.
You fucking what.
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>>117163212

There are tons of animators straight out of school that are willing to work for any money just for experience.
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I'm glad goth loli is richer than Director.
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>CG getting more money
FUCK YOU JAPAN
FUCK YOU

I may not like America, but I may have to agree with them just this once time. NUKE IT.
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In Japan, there is a ranking system for the seiyuu world. The ranks are from F~A and A being the highest. Of course each ranking has it’s own set pay. For example, A rank seiyuus are paid 45,000 yen (about $443) for one 30 minute anime episode. Above A Rank there is a rank called “No Rank”. No Rank is title where seiyuus can set their own price.

For example, voice actress, Kaneda Tomoko revealed that she gets paid approximately 30,000 yen (about $295) for one anime episode. You would think that Kaneda would at least be an A Rank because she has been in the seiyuu business for 14 years but she isn’t. This tells us that the seiyuu business isn’t easy.

Of course not all seiyuus can get paid like Kaneda Tomoko right off the bat. New seiyuus start off in a rank called “Junior Rank” and will be given this title for 3 years. For one 30 minute anime they will be paid 15,000 yen (about $147) . After their 3 years as Junior Rank they will join the ranking system. Of course to be higher in the ranks, it depends on experience and how popular you are. Recently, a lot of seiyuus have been higher in the ranks because of their popularity. Do they get paid more if they are voicing the main character? The answer to that is no. Whatever their rank is that is how much they will be paid.
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600k dollars per year for being a slut on TV, without even showing your face or having to do anything really.

What a great job.
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>>117162734
Not sure what kind of part timer they are talking about here. It's common in Japan for people to take two part time jobs, work all day and earn more than with a single job (but without the single job benefits like a career path, company benefits, etc). They are called "freeter".
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>>117163255
>There are a ton of graduates* straight out of school that are willing to work for any money just for experience

Funny how you can change one word and it fits perfectly for this shit economy right now.
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>>117163385

If you are born a cute girl life is tutorial mode.

Unless you were born in 3rd world shithole.
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>>117163323
>white knighting VAs
That animator will barely get any raise, if at all, and in 10 years it will be fired, because anime will be done in CG.

White knight that.
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>>117163498
>white knighting
Do people take some kind of pleasure n using terms wrong?
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>>117163556
Then what exactly were you trying to do by telling us how hard is being a VA?
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So I make about as much money as Aoi, on my first real job. I thought Poland was supposed to be a poor shithole.
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>>117163498
>white knighting
Huh?
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>>117163193

These are annual salaries, not how much each person take home from a particular series.
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>>117163498
What ? I'm only giving information.
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>>117163323
Does the pay also depend on how much lines they have?
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>>117163606
That the numbers in the graph are not exactly common, thus should not be taken seriously?
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>>117163606
First of all, that wasn't me. Secondly, do you always take issue with people providing facts and figures relevant to the discussion at hand? Because that's all anon in question did.
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>>117163664
That's eroge system, anime doesn't do that.
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>>117163498
>exposition about how VA business works
>white knighting
Anon, It's okay to admit you don't know what a term means. We won't laugh at you.

>>117163193
Top tier seiyuus get paid more but not to that extent. The reason they make more than your average VA is because they get more work a year than less popular VA
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>>117163323
>You would think that Kaneda would at least be an A

Well, no, I don't even know who the fuck she is.

Aside of that...honestly, it seems a pretty fair system.
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>>117163606
Again, why exactly is that white knighting?
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>>117163714
>Anon, It's okay to admit you don't know what a term means. We won't laugh at you
I'm sorry, but I already laughed at him.
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>>117163193
It's specifically an a-list voice actor
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>>117163701
That's pretty interesting, did not know that.
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>>117163727
No, it's a retarded system, someone should be paid based in their capability and not some bullshit experience thing.
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I want to marry Goth Loli-sama.
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>>117163701
What if it's a real lewd anime?
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>>117163773
What if she is already happily married?
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>>117162822
It's yearly income. An animation director can be employed all year on more shows than one. They often do magazine illustrations. They might include character design fees here too. Directors get payed more but can only earn that much if they're hacks (in the real sense, not /a/'s definition of person I dislike) who do multiple shows per year.
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>Underpaid animators making an anime about underpaid animators making anime

We've come full circle now.
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>>117163323
Any examples of the "No Rank" category? I tried Googling, but it's just giving me subjective fan lists.
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>>117163768
It's Japan. There older people>merit
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So you mean to tell me some guy voicing a faceless background dude for 2 seconds gets payed the same as the main character? How does that even make any sense?
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What happens to VAs when they can't find work anymore?
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>>117162590
College is a lot cheaper in Japan, tuition for Kyoto U is like several thousand USD for the entire year.

In fact America is practically the only first world country with astronomically expensive higher education.
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>>117163845
Exactly why it's retarded.
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>be assistanto to major manga writer hit
>seduce
>marry
>get rich and mb a kid to cement things
>eh now that i have his money i can do what i want
Truly the best way of life.
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>>117163853
Then they start hoping they had chosen a different career, I guess. Or start teaching young wannabe voice actors, I guess?
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>>117163863
Because the universities know that all people have to do to get into college in the US is go to the government for unlimited college loans
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>>117163768
How do you measure "capability?"
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>>117163727
>Well, no, I don't even know who the fuck she is.
That's probably because you're not a very good anime fan, or at least not a seiyuu fan. A lot of people know who Kanetomo is.
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>>117162590
oh shit, I make more than a CG animator by just painting houses!
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>>117163971
How good they are as an actor?
This is not hard.
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>>117163843
Nana Mizuki. She's the seiyuu with highest income in the indusry.

>>117163767
This is the eroge industry system


Popular seiyuu: 130 yen per word
Average seiyuu: 100 yen per word (standard price in the industry)
Leave it to them to decide: 90 yen per word (when you ask them for cheap usable people)

Overworked seiyuu: +30 yen
Negotiating with seiyuu that won’t do rape: +20~50 yen
Take everything from the same agency: -10~20 yen

Even when a seiyuu has 5000 words, the price per word will not go down in most cases.

Also if it’s not at least 100 words, they might not accept the job due to stuff like transportation fees and such. So in cases where it’s in the vicinity of 100 words, the company will ask them if it’s possible to do it for something like 20,000 yen instead of going on a per word basis.


– Depending on the agency, there are also seiyuu that will take a % of the original costs as secondary use license royalties if the company decides to release a downloadable version, a budget version, PG version, or console ports etc
– When a console port or an anime is made, these costs are usually paid by the company in charge of the port, if it’s done in-house then royalties have to be paid together with the additional voices
# Ero anime only pays approximately 10,000 yen per episode and takes a day, so when an eroge becomes an ero anime, there are a lot of seiyuu that will refuse to do voices for the ero anime, which is why the ero anime versions usually have a different voice cast
– Seiyuu voice recording costs has apparently increased dramatically in recent years, agencies did not charge on a per word basis or ask for secondary use license royalties 5 years ago. Comments from some say it is now about 150% to 300% as compared to before.
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>>117164103
Anon, you do realize that what you're suggesting is not a genuinely objective criterion, right? How people view a given actor's capability is heavily dependent on personal, subjective preferences.
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>>117164103
How do you determine they are good? What makes a VA good? What makes a VA slightly not good? How about bad? Below average? Slightly above average? How do you determine these?
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>>117162934
Aren't they outsource all betweener's job to worst korea? It might be hard to get a data/ and interpret it.
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>>117164159
>She's the seiyuu with highest income in the indusry.
Source on that? I would have really thought that would have been Minami Takayama or something.
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>mfw this thread
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>>117164180
Not him, but what's exactly the problem of that?
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>>117163768
>>117163845

Did you miss the part that says "rank is NOT based on experience"? You can be 14 years in the world and be B rank or debuted a few years ago and be A rank, like Accelerator
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>>117164206
No they don't. It's how every animator starts out. There are numbers floating about. In fact when you see these reports about poor animators it's almost always the pay for in-betweening that gets reported.
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>>117164063
Well, duh. If your country don't have illegal emigrants to employ, or robots to use (for now), then you can get pretty high pay in building business. Or in any high-risk/heavy labor/high demand business.
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>>117162590
I suppose the income for the A-list VA includes earnings from music work as well.
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>>117162590
>student
>being paid

w8t
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>>117162590
How do animators even survive with so little money? Do they rob banks in their free time?
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>>117164180
>>117164203
I don't know why you're having such a hard time with this. Maybe you should try separating yourself from Japanese voice actors and just think about normal actors, and how you'd be able to distinguish a good one from a bad one in that case.

There are many things to go on, but if I have to explain them to you, then you're probably just blind to the quality of a performance. Which is not necessarily a bad thing.
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>>117164350

College students can work too, you know.
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>>117164361
They live on their office
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>>117164361
9400 dollars per year is still far from the bottom.
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>>117164378
>I don't know why you're having such a hard time with this.
Probably because they're retarded, there's not other explanation.
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>>117164402
Then it will depend on what job it is, no?
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>>117164350
Gawker intern, calm down. Don't kill yourself. I believe in you, you can do better.
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>>117164378
Pay of real actors isn't generally determined by their capability but by their popularity. Which isn't completely unrelated to capability but isn't wholly determined by it, either. Popularity, unlike capability, is something that is easy to assess objectively.
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>>117162590
well that's not a surprise considering TAs get paid like $40 per hour if not more
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>>117164460
what?
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>>117164222
The direct quote is from oricon article, I forgot where, there's also these stuff to aid the fact.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-12-02/top-selling-voice-actress/actor-by-sales/2011

More number goes like this.

Mizuki Nana - $5M
Tamura Yukari $2M
Horie Yui $1M 700K
Miyano Mamoru $1M
Ogura Yui $970,600
Kamiya Hiroshi $940,000
Nakamura Yuuichi $760,000
Kitamura Eri $750,000
Tsuda Minami $710,999
Ishihara Kaori $680,000
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No wonder women in Japan quit after they get married and knocked up. Seems kind of a waste to go to college and all that just to inevitably become a housewife.
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>>117164442
Every fucking job a college student would have pays about the same, unless they have field specific internships.
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>>117164378
Hollywood actors get paid be how much they are popular and how much movies with them are successful. And how good their agents. "Good actor" or "bad actor" depends entirely on individual taste.
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>>117164378
>I don't know why you're having such a hard time with this. Maybe you should try separating yourself from Japanese voice actors and just think about normal actors, and how you'd be able to distinguish a good one from a bad one in that case.
My point was how do you accurately determine an actor's capability. Yes, I can tell if an actor is bad or good. What I want to know is how do you determine if an actor is slightly good, slightly bad, or average? Or do you think it's fair lumping everyone into just good or bad actors?
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>>117164423
Isn't Japan a really expensive place to live though? 10,000/year seems pretty hard to get by in a first world country.
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>>117164361
cost of living expenses in japan might be much lower compared to the states
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>>117164567

I was pretty lucky in college and had a job in sales that was commission-based. I made around $25 an hour and didn't have to work that many hours. Made $30,000 a year once. Managed to graduate without any debt because of it.
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>>117164627
And they live in Tokyo on top of that, a place that's considered one of the most expensive in the world to live in.
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>>117164522
I dunno, man. Those top 3 (arguably the top 5) are all also very popular recording artists. In addition to doing roles in anime, they do tours and sell out stadiums. Of course they're making bank.
This is of course especially true for Mizuki Nana, who was the first seiyuu to have a No. 1 album a few years ago.
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>>117164659
When I visited, my impression was that everything there costs at least as much as it does in the usa
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>>117164659
Maybe Japan as whole, but Tokyo is one of most expensive places of the world to live in.
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So here you go, guys. Your favourite seyuu is killing anime. Literally.
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>>117164717
No if you just sleep at a manga cafe everyday
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>>117164423
In Japan? Even in Russia average was (before start of economical war) something like $8000+/year.
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>>117164746
You can say the "same" thing for pretty everywhere.
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>>117164522
>>117164705
And as a post note, upon inspection even that article you linked seems to be about record sales more than anything.
Also, it's from 2011, but you know, whatever.
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>>117164742
It's like you didn't read the thread at all.
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>>117164627
Yes, it is, if you are a baka gaijin.
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>>117162655
good VAs are harder to find than good animators so they get paid more
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>>117164742
Jokes on you my favorite seiyuu isn't a top selling one. ;_;
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>>117164802
I'll try to google more, give me some minutes
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Amazing how this whole industry can live on with practically no money for everybody involved
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>>117164803
Did you? Even the cheapest ones get a lot more money.
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If I was a billionaire, I'd go to Japan and pay them to make me an anime while I watch them do so. Help boost their economy and shit. Maybe even screw some of their women to help with their declining population growth. They would worship me like Jesus.
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>>117164843
Who is it, anon? My favorite seiyuu isn't one either. Let's share the pain
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>>117164808
That's her yearly income with everything unrelated to voice acting included. Animators who can be sold as idols don't exist.
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How the hell do you survive on that?

I guess Japan has universal healthcare at least.
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I can't understand who in their right mind would go "You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to get a job that's really difficult and make no money whatsoever! It'll be great!"
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>>117163090
Daily reminder that HanaKana makes >100,000,000 yen per year.
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>>117164717
I wouldn't trust those "most expensive places to live" survey. They not about or for average human beings who buys food in markets next to their house and can live for months on pasta and potatoes.
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>No composer
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>>117164994
Who?
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>>117164979
I think most people who work in the industry do so because they like anime.
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>>117164979
People that want to do something that they would love.

I know, I know. It is hard for someone who has never had any passion for anything to understand that.
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>>117164938
Yuko Gibu. Who's yours?
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>>117162590
>mfw I make more than an animator working at KFC
Christ I dodged a HUGE BULLET
>mfw I'm going to be a CG animator
Better than nothing.
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>>117164936

I would put a ridiculous amount of money into pet projects to adapt some of my favorite works, and have it just be at a level that other studios can't replicate on their normal budgets.
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>>117165100

but are you a cute girl? Looks like you lost that one anon
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>>117165100

And you also get free food and save on a living expense and don't starve to death.
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>>117165100
That's applies only for Japan though. Other countries have different incomes.
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>>117162590
sounds like bullshit to me
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>>117165154
Maou pls.
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calculations:

average anime sell 2,000 copies
BD box = $200 each
sales from anime box set= $400,000
sell to broadcast in other countries = $100,000
pay for TV broadcasting in Japan = $200,000
after deducting TV broadcasting fee, there's $300,000 remaining

$300,000 is divided among everyone else (director, music effects, animators, voice actors) and pay for utilities (water, electricity) and rental and various stuffs (pen, paper, etc). If there are 25 animators and 5 voice actors, then each person get $10,000.

Some say $200 per complete BD set is expensive, they suggest that $20 is a reasonable price the for complete anime BD box set.

If anime box are sell at $20, then the sales is $40,000 for 2,000 copies. This money isn't enough for broadcasting on TV which easily exceed $200,000.
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>>117165329
>average anime sell 2,000 copies
That's bottom of the line anime, the average show is closer to 4k.
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>>117165039
Chiaki Omigawa
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>>117165329

Why are you assuming that it's still the same number of copies sold even though it's at 1/10th of the price?
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>>117162590
Fuck, I make $20k more than an executive producer, and all I do is drive a quad around all day checking well sites.
Alberta oil patch jobs may suck, but the pay's fantastic.
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No wonder no one wants to animate my Chinese cartoons.
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>>117165329
anon you dont know what the fuck you're saying
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>>117165329
TV jews get paid by: those who want air stuff, from different commercial companies, and be customer who pay every month to watch said stuff between commercials.
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>>117164979
Some people have a specific thing they want to do, and as long as thy can at least get paid enough to live they will choose to follow their calling rather than follow money. There's nothing wrong with that.
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>>117164976
They live in closet-sized apartments with practically no luxury services (tv, internet, etc.) and live off of cheap rice and discount instant meals.

It's not impossible to think of how you could live off that, considering a typical college guy will typically live off of less for 4 years. I know I was living off about 6k a year in college (minus tuition, of course).
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>>117164361
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>>117165489

Shouldn't re really be referring to them as Korean and Vietnamese cartoons by now?
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Voice actors make most of their money from selling songs and events and other stuffs like photo book. They make little money from anime voice acting.
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>>117164979
where's that picture
the one where the director explains about how anime is a business
and then there's the animator who's like "I LIKE DRAWING CUTE GIRLS" and it looks like a moe hurricane hit his desk
yeah
it's like that
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>>117162590
The charts completely out of whack, it's missing senior roles. Only a veteran VAs are going to be getting serious cash, newbies are probably doing worse then the rest on that chart.
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>>117163153
Was she born loaded? Her biggest role was Deko and hasn't had much of anything since. What the fuck.
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>>117165701
God bless animators.
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>>117165031
Some people take the money route. I've wanted nothing more in life than to make a video game, but forward thinking and risk aversion led me into business tech. Now I'm making good money with bright career prospects, but I always wonder...

When is the regret going to crush me?
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>>117165737
YES, THANK YOU
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>>117162590
>Animator gets paid the least
Not gonna lie, I'm not that surprised.
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>>117165746
Becoming a buyfag helps fill that hole.
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What the fuck does Midori even do?
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>>117165701
>Moe Hurricane

Interesting mental picture.
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>>117165746
If you were a good person it would have hit on the face at some door, but since you obviously aren't, you will be just another normalfag on his death bed telling to his grandchildren that don't care, how life should be more.
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>>117162590
What is this nonsense, anyway. Why is it in dollars? It's making me surprisingly angry.
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>>117165821
I was going to say "moe vomit" but I didn't want to use that kind of negative connotation.
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>>117165870
Because some guy typeseted it.
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>>117165442
Some studios ell anime online for $2 per episode. How many people pay for these? Very little people pay for them.

Reducing price from $200 to $20 is suicide. If people won't pay for online anime at $2 per episode, they also will not pay for $20 anime box.
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>>117162590
Is this a picture for ants?

>>117156865

>>117165870

Original
>>117157375
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>>117165746
I actually regret not going for the career I wanted.
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>>117165983
That's a nice projection, to me digital copies are the same as downloading if off nyaa, while BD boxes are digital copies for collecting purpose and sometimes comes with extra stuffs.
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Wow first job out of school and I make more than everyone but Alist. Is japan still in some depression?
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>>117166092
If you like in the US you probably make more money than an equivalent anywhere else in the world.
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>>117166092
It's been in one for a while.
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>>117166084
>while BD boxes are digital copies
Meant physical.
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I still make less than them
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>>117162590
she's still earning more or less twice than the minimum in most thrid shit world countries
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>>117165031
If they love being broke then more power to them I guess
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>>117166185
But Japan is way more expensive to live in so it doesn't matter.
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>That powergap between Executive Producer and the VA.
Maybe they deserve it considering the amount of cast couching one need to do to get to this point.
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>>117165737
I'd be an animator if it meant I get free merch as a bonus.
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It's upsetting that the producers and directors aren't the highest paid.
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>>117162590
Shirobako is super interesting.
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>>117166217
Yes but I doubt she has any problems with drug lords around her streets and with high criminality rates and I'm also sure the streets where she lives is also clean with easy acess to water and eletricity
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>>117165488
>being a pumper

Petroleum Engineer here
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>>117166024
I regret the fact that I'm close to graduating and still have no clue about what the career I want actually is. I'm looking forwards to discovering my true passion as a middle-aged family man with no realistic chance of acting on that passion.
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>>117166092
>Is japan still in some depression?
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-japan-recession-20141118-story.html
>Japan's unexpected fall into recession — the latest stumble for its long-struggling economy — poses another obstacle to the U.S. recovery and demonstrates the problems many key nations still are having regaining their economic footing after the Great Recession.

>A major trading partner for the U.S. and California, Japan now has had four recessions since the 2008 financial crisis.
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>>117166424
>for the U.S. and California
Why are these listed separately?
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THIS IS OFFICIALLY "HOW MUCH DO YOU MAKE A YEAR" THREAD"

>$90k
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>>117165737
The animator's face always looked fucked up to me
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>>117166424
The latest one happened because Abe is a retard.
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>>117166484
No, >>>/biz/
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>>117165634
>Vietnamese
God I hope not.
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>>117166484
0 masterrace
If you work, you lose
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>>117166484
No.
17k
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>>117166484
>Bloging shit

No fuck off to /soc/
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>>117166368
Oh yeah, it's way better to die from starvation/exhaustion on clean street under light of street lamp near fountain.
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>>117166462
They will seceded soon.
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>>117166589
Yeah, I'm sure a lot more people die in japan from starvation than in a third world country. Nice example you chose there retard.

Comparing nominal salaries between countries is absolutely useless.
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>>117166484
>$300

>working
>not being a NEET god until you're 30.
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>>117166589
I'm pretty sure you're underestimating the clean part and the high criminality rates
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>>117165737
>He has one joy in his shitty life and is shunned for it.
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>>117166462
LA is in California.
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>>117162590
How can you live off 9k annual? Mcdonald's wages are higher...
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>>117166548
>>117166573

ITT: basement dwellers
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>>117166831
A proper Japanese man can't love anything.
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>>117166673
Say that to this >>117166185 retard. Being paid less than others is still being paid less than others, no matter country.
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>>117165746
Shoulda made the game fuccboi.
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>>117166993
It's easy when food, education, health and public services are cheap or free.
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>>117167010
Welcome to /a/
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>>117167010
You can make money from the basement?
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>>117167044
>Being paid less than others is still being paid less than others, no matter country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_versus_nominal_value_%28economics%29
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>>117167124
Hauling cryptocurrency? Yes.
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>>117167171
Retard. First you being paid below average in one country, then emigrate and being paid below average in another country, etc. In very case you being paid below average, no mater in what country you now.
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>>117167010
>>117166484
>samefag
Go wag your dick somewhere else.
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>>117162590
How does one survive on less than 10 K per year?

Or even less than 50 K per year?
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>>117167067
I must've talked about it with friends for hours and hours. We were gonna revive the Tactics genre, and make it way better than it had ever been. Used to daydream for hours about plot and mechanics and art and just...everything.

That friend is a failure now, and I've long since lost contact with people that want to talk about shit like that.

Sorry for blog, vodka is making me melancholy.
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>>117167383
This post is not only stupid beyond belief, it also has nothing to do with the original post that referred the animator's salary being much higher than the minimum in a third world country.
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>>117167483
I live with a little less than 10k.
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>>117163090
Only 60 K...

The best in the field makes less than a normal college grad. Something is wrong here.
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>>117167483
Why would you have any problems with that amount?
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>>117167383
You are stupid.
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>>117167483
I'm living with practically no income.
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>>117167547
Yes, you're missing a zero.
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>>117167483
>tfw in my country some families live with less than 50 a year
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>>117164766
>average
How about $4500? It is the REAL average.

Anon from Novosibirsk city
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>>117167485
What happened to him?
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>>117164474
It actually takes a grad student to be TA.
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>>117164545
But how does their husbands make enough to support a family when they earn so little at their jobs?
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>>117167521
And second post was about that living in Japan cost more than in third world country so they still being paid like shit and live on junk food.
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>>117167483
What if I told you that in many European countries people earn like 6k $ per year? And the funniest part is that food, games, books - all of this ain't even significantly cheaper. This thread makes me want to leave my country again.
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I get paid $2 per hour
>>
Reiterating because no doubt there are people who missed this point.

Seiyuu don't get rich off of anime. A-list seiyuu make money because they're multi-talents (just like idols), complete with their own producers who sign them up for all sorts of stuff such as recording/performing music, doing TV shows, etc. etc.
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>>117167483
Meh, I can live pretty good on 2-3K per year.
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>>117165593
How does one live without internet?
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>>117167812
>And second post was about that living in Japan cost more than in third world country

No it wasn't, you're the one assuming that, and it would be more than likely wrong. You don't understand the concept or real salary, so lets just stop this.
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>>117165746
Sometimes I am glad my passion pays well too.
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>>117167880
Anon, we're not talking about situations when your parents pay for all of your food and place to live in.
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>>117167689
Average 13K per year rur before war? In Novosibirsk? Nani sore?
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>>117164627

But they live in Taiwan or Korea.
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>>117164715
Cost of living is higher than the US, but lower than in most of Europe. One of the big differences is that you don't need a car to survive and most employers will pay your train fare to and from work, so transportation can be very cheap.
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>>117167806

They don't.

That's why there's a plummeting birth rate, epidemic NEETdom, and an economy that's been stagnant for decades.
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>>117167910
You go to sleep at your house and go to work for the internet. Either tat or steal your neighbor's WIFI.
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>>117167922
Whatever you say, retard.
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>>117167819

Are they all like Chinese in their savings? Do they hunt for the biggest bargain?

>>117167542
>>117167609

Share your secret anon.

My budget tells me that 100K is barely enough if you want to make sure your kids have the right education.
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>>117167759
He went for a theoretical science degree, but then got involved with a girl. Their social anxieties feed into each other, and now he's just barely going to pass (a full year late) while he spends every cent of his money on cards and war games. He pretty much stopped hanging out with everyone and just...has no prospects at all. It's hard to watch someone you've known all your life change completely and not be able to do anything about it.

Hold on to your friends, Anon.
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>>117165746
its not too late anon

make your shitty sim about touching your penis until you fall asleep crying

you'll be able to show your family and children that you made something beautiful
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>>117168116
>having kids
Yeah that's the wrong part.
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>>117168106
I thought stealing WIFI is a more heinous crime than murder.

But that life must sucks. Now I feel blessed even though I pay the highest rates in the world for my internet.
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>>117167988
Of course we isn't. And of course that a case where you own apartment, not rent it.
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>>117168092
I am sorry I ever called them deadbeat/pathetic. Now I understand how hard it is to be a man in Japan.
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>>117168245
The apartment annual maintenance fee is at least 10K.
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>>117165737
If Otaku become the animators because they love anime, how long will it be until anime becomes entirely self-sustaining and at the same time 100% moe?
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>>117162590
Not a surprise. That's why salaryman is preferable option.

I remembered i read an old article somewhere where they compare hourly wages to normal salaryman, the high turnover of animators and how they keep themselves afloat.

It's a sad industry despite many people enjoy their work. And it's how the world work anyway. If you slap your name on an anime, some loyal fans will buy it despite it's a mediocre. For e.g the legendary Rie Tanaka.
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>>117167483
they have their family backing them up or they live basically from anpan to anpan
>>
We need a comparison point. How much does a doctor make in Japan? It seems girls are all over doctors in my chinese cartoons so they must make mad dosh right?

Actually, being a physician is not bad at all in Japan. Yes, you work long hours but so does everyone else.
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>>117168116
>kids
Well, there is your problem right there.
I live alone and rent a room at boarding house, I spend $300 month on living expenses and about $330 on rent.
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>>117168290
For you.
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>>117168250
It's surprising they haven't gone nutty like the Chinese. Top earners in China get ALL of the women. Hell, there was an article about a guy committing suicide while on a mall date because he couldn't take the mental/financial strain. Men there are often made into unwilling sugar-daddies.

Although I suppose their problems are worse due to screwy gender ratios due to old 1-child, boy>girl policies that created ridiculous value for women due to lack of supply.
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Being an animator is not worth it unless you have influence that will make you have a decent budget.
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>>117168452
You hear about these things in the media, but my Chinese relatives never noticed anything while living there. May be they are in the wrong part of the country.
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>>117166424
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/opinion/sunday/the-true-story-of-japans-economic-success.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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>>117164979
Labor of love, dude
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>>117168092
Why does Nip mans not aim to marry into rich?
>>
Tarou making mad cash.
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>>117168601
Become a reverse-gold digger? DISHONORABRU!!!
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>>117168659
Don't act like you are not tempted anon. Even those of us making a good salary would be tempted.
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>>117168413
>How much does a doctor make in Japan?

If they work on a hospital or clinic they make about 35k a year. Private practice is a lot more lucrative at 100k and more.
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>>117168116
Fuck kids, there are too much of them anyway so it isn't worth to have a kid these days.

They are a waste money and resources.
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>>117168683
If you know how to cook and stuff it doesn't seen like a bad idea.
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>>117166092
America has the highest average wages in the world
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>>117168719
Sorry, meant to quote >>117168399
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>>117168399
>Japanese doctors

They don't make remotely as much as doctors in the US or even Canada. If I go into family or paediatrics, I'll be earning around 150K in my first year and would expect around 200-300K the next year.
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>>117168521
Here's hoping it's just overblown in the media.
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>>117168719
But surely surgeons charge per procedure/operation and anesthesiologists do the same? Depending on how busy the doctor is, he could be making mad dosh.
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>>117166484
Autismbux
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>>117168719
Only 35K?

I... I have no words.

Even 100K+ is terrible. I respect the Nips now. They either save money like a pro or has a portal to the dimension of gold.
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>>117167010
I wish I had a basement
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>>117168863
Countries with universal healthcare don't pay doctors all that much.
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>>117168807
My good clinical clerk of African descent!

Good luck on your residency application too. I need to finish it tonight.
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>>117168399

For doctors (graduates of universities+), average 490,700 per month. (Basic Survey on Wage Structure. Oridinary Workers Data 2013, section P. MHLW)

http://www.mhlw.go.jp/english/database/db-l/ordinary.html
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>>117168863
The reason why Japan is not affected as much by their legendary recessions is because they have a habit of saving. Also, they have universal health care.
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>>117168719
>doctor
>35k a year

Holy shit that's crazy, and I'm not even American, where their doctors get paid like rockstars
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>>117168908
Canada does.
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>PhD in Math
>Any job I want
>Only half of HanaKana's pay
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>>117168841
Fee for service is amazing.
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>>117168962
Huh. What do you know.
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>>117168944
Thanks good anon!
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>>117168990
That crumpled bill on the end always bothers me
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>>117162590
damn, those niggas dont make fuck all in cash, except for the VA.
>>
I have watched +1000 anime shows.
What job can I get that pays more than 100K?
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>>117167483
heh, especially in places like tokyo
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>>117168962

With way less retarded hours too. An increasing amount of of British doctors are moving to Canada and Australia as a result.
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>directors getting less than seiyuu
Japan what the fuck are you doing
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>>117162590
>tfw making more in fast food than a episode director
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>>117168939
First year medical student in Canada. Still a few more years of studying and abuse for me.

>>117169071
Trades if you have no other applicable skills or degree that leads you anywhere. Plumbers/electricians can easily make over $100k/year here in Canada.
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>>117169125
Health is free, education is either free or cheap, food is inexpensive unless you want sushi or beef every day, transportation is inexpensive.

Rent must be a big problem in Tokyo though.
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>>117168998
Stress, risk of lawsuits, and quality of care provided aside, it is an awesome way to earn dosh if you're a doctor.
>>
There's a reason why most anime has shit animation.
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>>117169147
Not exactly. It's just the amount of doctors being trained has remained more or less the same yet patient demand has doubled, hence GPs getting the hell out where they don't get worked like dogs and still earn fat dosh.
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>>117169313
Why would you want to live in Tokyo though, I'd live in one of those comfy small towns any day.
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>>117169374
But when they get a huge budget, it changes everything.
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>>117165603
Underrated post
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>>117169313
Isn't healthcare in Japan 30% co-pay with the government paying the 70%?
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>>117169332
Only problem is the drive to see more and more patients pushing going home time to 6 then 7 then 8 PM.
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>>117169457
>Underrated post

Fuck off with this shit
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>>117169418
82K for GP.

Oh dear.

I am truly fortunate to not be born in Britain.
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>>117169527
I thought Surgeons didn't have lives
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>>117169578
Only if you are not an ENT or Urologist.
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>>117169615
Being an urologist must be crap unless you really enjoy handling scrotums.
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>>117169510
Don't trust wikipedia on face value, co-pay is at most 10%.
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>>117169692
Urologist here, don't get in the bussiness unless you have some kind of fetish, or just enjoy fisting.
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>>117169712
Sheeiiiiit. That's not a bad deal.
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>>117169692
Penis is where it is at anon.

Doing DRE all day is not bad. But then I am nuking Prostate Cancer all day instead of operating on them. And I still get out earlier than my urologist colleagues.
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>>117169734
Do you have some kind of fetish involving your job, anon?
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>>117162655
>This is a universal fact of life.

I don't care if this thread is 300 posts in, that's a load of bullshit.
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>>117169784
Nah, it's family tradition and shit, but I have get some people that want me to be rough with my hands.
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>>117169773
GI is where it's at.
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>>117169734
I hate prostate exams. It's always a big hairy indian doctor that does it and I can't help get the most rock hard erection imaginable.
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>>117169851
Scoping makes mad dosh and being known as the ass man is great.

But internal medicine's first three years are not fun. At all.
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>>117165100
KFC fucking sucks cock though, pun intended. It fucking sucks working at fast food, but I honestly think that KFC is one of the worse fast food places to work at. I'll admit though, the free food is a pretty good perk. KFC tastes fucking delicious.
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>>117169859

Anon, you have the gay.
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>>117169892
That's a natural reaction to prostate stimulation though.
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>>117169892
It's more normal than you think anon.
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>>117169882
How do you not get fat with free fried chicken
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>>117169941
Exercise.
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>>117169941
Because I restrained myself to taking some like twice a week or I just take some of the slightly less unhealthy food like the sides or biscuits. Whenever I felt like eating KFC, I'd also make sure not to eat anything else that day.

Grilled>Original>Extra Crispy
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>>117169913
>>117169919

All this denial.

I get rock hard as well, but I have small Russian MILF urologist. Feels good.
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>>117170029
>Grilled

Oh I forgot they did that.

That'd be a lot healthier
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>>117170030
Why are anons going to urologist?

You can't all be
1) 50+ with prostate cancer
2) Infertile
3) have congenital malformation
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>>117170030
>Female urologist

That's gay anon.
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>>117170030
B-But I'm the one who do the touching.
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>>117170074
KFC grilled - really that healthy?
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>>117170095
I only went once because of a kidney stone.
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>>117170029
But grilled tastes nasty. Crispy master race..
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>>117170151
Ahhh good point.
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>>117170095

Family history of prostate cancer in our 20's. I take no chances.
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>>117170193
Why not just die in agony?
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>>117170132
It's a fast food place. I don't think anything there is healthy. It's less unhealthy though I guess.
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>>117170151
Did it hurt? Parents always tell me I'll get that if I keep drinking soda.
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>>117170193
Ahhh. Good luck anon.
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>>117170132
Healthier, comparitively
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>>117170095
Annual medical check-up.
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>>117170229
>>117170247

True. Thanks anon.
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>>117170213

I want to live long enough to seen other anons have virtual reality waifus
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>>117170254
With a urologist?

What is your GP doing?
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>>117170308
This is a noble life.
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>>117170336
Referred me to him.
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>>117170236
It's like pic related, but even worse and constant. The fact that the pain doesn't stop for a single second is the worst by far.
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>>117170095
I was butthurt
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>>117170438
Why did I laugh.
>>
>>117162590
What they do isn't very hard or anything they just trace the images in for the animation.
>>
How do these rank?
Sawashiro Miyuki
Inoue Marina
Shizuka Itou
Hanazawa Kana
>>
At what exact time will Episode 7 be available? Any way to live watch a Japanese stream?
>>
>>117162655
Thats misconception, hardwork is in fact the only way to get to the top. Its just that it needs to be combined with cunning and smarts that allow you to use others.
>>
There's no way top Seiyuu's are making 600k a year. Top idol's don't even make that much. The leader of Momoiro Clover Z (easily the most profitable idol group) only makes 500k a year. Takahashi Minami from AKB only makes 500k a year also. Leader of Morning Musume is less than that also, aswell as people like Ami Kikuchi who is on variety shows constantly.
>>
>>117168939
>need to finish it tonight
WHAT. What are you doing? Submissions opened up TWO MONTHS AGO. We are a full month into the interview trail. Barring special circumstances, you are way behind. Get on that shit and pray to the match gods.
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>>117166753
>until you're 30.
And then what?
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>>117171335
>Hard work is in face the only way to get to the top

Hold.
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>>117171686
Helium
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>>117171686
Wing it.
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>>117171686
Kill yourself because you've been living off christmas and birthday money till you're 30.
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>>117162590

Well, now I'm just upset.

being an animator I could imagine would be the hardest thing.
>>
>>117171627
Canadians. CaRMS.

Submission closes today but the system crashed so it is extended to tomorrow night.
>>
How is any of this news?
>>
>>117169881
What? Internal Medicine is great, and or residency is not bad at all. Come join us. We're not assholes. You can be like me and blog about your life on your phone in anime image boards while on night float waiting to admit patients!

8.5 hours left on this shift!

/blog
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>>117162590
>animator gets less than a fucking CG animator
what the flying fuck
>>
>>117162590
That PA Works Production Assistant (?) that killed themselves was still earning twice as much as an animator.
>>
>>117171912
Good luck Jake the Internist! You can do it!

I usually just take the first admit of the afternoon and make myself obscure to sleep. But then med students get less admits then residents.

I am going to be a total lazy ass and go for Rad Onc.
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>>117171912
I think I would rather die than get help from an /a/ tripfag.
>>
>>117171713
You can't manipulate people if you're a bum, and if somethings handed off to you and no one wants to listen to you your company will fall apart. Stop being an edgy butthurt wage slave or neet thats convinced work is literally hitler. Your existential crisis isn't special.
>>
How is Japan liking Shirobako?
>>
American animators get paid a whole lot more for less work.

What a surprise they're also less talented. They work long hours but they wouldn't have to if they didn't produce so little.
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>Pretty skilled freelance animator
>Make around $30k a year
>No job security, few career advancement opportunities
>Single in her 30s since long work hours leave little time for romance and marriage
Such is the price of dreams
>>
>>117172260
It's doing great.
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>>117172265
Braids and big breasts go together so well.
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>>117172265
How does one climb from animator to chief animator? Aren't all animators freelancers?
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>>117172265
She should learn English and come to San Francisco. As a big boobed pretty Japanese anime maker, I'm pretty sure she can easily find an age appropriate (i.e. ~35 year old) single software engineer making $150k+ at Facebook or Google.
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>>117168116
Living in 3rd world country where high salary is $400 a month.
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>>117171808
I see. It happened this year with ERAS for our med students down here, too. You guys sire get started late. When's your match, if that's how you guys do things?

>>117172086
Your priorities seem misplaced.

>>117172022
>lazy ass
>RadOnc
You clearly weren't lazy studying for Step 1! (Unless you're the Canadian. I don't know how things work up in our frosty hat to the north. )

ANYWAYS. Shirobako is great, and seeing their tiny apartments always makes me fell bad for them.
>no closet
>just a rack and storage containers
>>
>>117172367
You make exceptional work.
>>
>>117172367
There are in-house animators who are technically employees of the studio (though not salaried employees), and freelancer who operate based on something of a contract basis. It's usually more likely that extremely talented in-house animators get the promotions than a freelancer getting hired for those positions due to Japanese business culture
>>
>>117172460
That seems pretty vague.
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>>117162590
Somebody tell me these figures are net.
Because if this is gross that's fucking wild.
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>>117165737

That guy's living the dream I guess.

Make me wonder how much money I could get drawing porn.
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>>117165790

what do background artists get paid?
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How do animators get paid so little? They are skilled and I assume there are little of them?
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>>117164361
"Free time?"
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>>117168133

zach...
Why does he have to hang out with that bitch.
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>>117172732
Not getting shot aka Vietnam.
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>>117172432
Match is in late Jan early Feb for interview. Canadians have a bit easier time getting into Rad Onc. Lazy mostly in the sense that I want my on call days to be at home, with 1 call per month. More of a consideration for when I am old and grey, and could not go without sleep for a day or two.
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>>117165737
>Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou
>Kabu no Isaki
Great taste
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>>117172778
There are a ton of them, they can be replaced.
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>>117172778
Supposedly they are still paid the same as in times when animation was simpler and animators more plentiful.
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>>117172694
The money's in commissions, from what I hear. You'll have a lot of competition for anything mass-market, but you can charge a good price for custom works. Whether you want to do that though...
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>>117172778
That's the irony, they pay less and less for animators, outsource their works for Korean studios, replace them with CGI and then wonder why nobody wants to become an animator anymore.
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>>117172997
Or bitch about Japanese youth's "work ethic" like old Ghibli face.
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>>117168250
It hard for both ways. Men and women. In the end of the day, women in Japan have more difficulties than men in certain things.

And there's also plenty of deadbeat fathers just as single fathers struggling.
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>>117172388
She'd have to marry a techie though.

A fate worse than death if I ever heard one.
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>>117164159
So you're telling me that for less than 5k I could record Sugita as he pretends he's being raped by me?
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>>117172388
Hell, how that I think about it,I know at least 3 single, early-to-mid 30s nerdy tech multimillionaires who'd kill for a Segawa-san. One's even half Japanese and can speak it a little bit.
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>>117168952
The trade off is that teachers and professors get paid shit unless they've been working a long time
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>>117163802
Holy fuck what <$10k a year? I make more than that and I work 10 hours a week.
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>>117162822
The chief animator is usually an extremely talented individual (tensai etc) that's well known in the industry and probably commands high freelance prices for his work.
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jesus christ do voice actors really earn that much

what THE FUCK
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>college student
>17200
Do people get paid to go to college or something?
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>>117171713
Its true. Now, hard work does not guarantee success, but success requires hardwork as one of it's components.
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>>117165233
It's not, lol.

"They don't earn through basics, nor being paid monthly. They are paid based on how much they draw, and a normal TV in-between frame is priced at 135yen to 150yen per frame, while for movie, possibly on the range of 200yen to 300yen per frame.

Average new graduates can draw as much as 100 per month (~$140/month), while, if ideal, they have to draw at least 500 pieces per month (~$700/month) in order to break even."

There's a physical limit to how much you can output in a day.
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>>117175326
I was surprised too, but that's for the most popular ones (sawashiro, hanakana, miyano, etc). Unfortunately there isn't a less popular seiyuu in Shirobako for comparison.
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>>117167483
I get by on about 30k a year. Getting comfy is the hard part, but once you are there life ain't half bad.
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Here is another source.

http://matome.naver.jp/odai/2137885980930939201
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