>animator being paid less than college student
>animator makes less than a part timer
I think it's pretty much idol related. Doubt someone who can't even get a role every season makes as much as someone who voiced three or more main characters per season and releases music albums and whatnot on top of that.
>voice actors suck up half the budget so everybody else gets jack
Why even bother?
>Animator makes the last.
>Chief animator makes more than the series director.
You fucking what.
In Japan, there is a ranking system for the seiyuu world. The ranks are from F~A and A being the highest. Of course each ranking has it’s own set pay. For example, A rank seiyuus are paid 45,000 yen (about $443) for one 30 minute anime episode. Above A Rank there is a rank called “No Rank”. No Rank is title where seiyuus can set their own price.
For example, voice actress, Kaneda Tomoko revealed that she gets paid approximately 30,000 yen (about $295) for one anime episode. You would think that Kaneda would at least be an A Rank because she has been in the seiyuu business for 14 years but she isn’t. This tells us that the seiyuu business isn’t easy.
Of course not all seiyuus can get paid like Kaneda Tomoko right off the bat. New seiyuus start off in a rank called “Junior Rank” and will be given this title for 3 years. For one 30 minute anime they will be paid 15,000 yen (about $147) . After their 3 years as Junior Rank they will join the ranking system. Of course to be higher in the ranks, it depends on experience and how popular you are. Recently, a lot of seiyuus have been higher in the ranks because of their popularity. Do they get paid more if they are voicing the main character? The answer to that is no. Whatever their rank is that is how much they will be paid.
Not sure what kind of part timer they are talking about here. It's common in Japan for people to take two part time jobs, work all day and earn more than with a single job (but without the single job benefits like a career path, company benefits, etc). They are called "freeter".
>There are a ton of graduates* straight out of school that are willing to work for any money just for experience
Funny how you can change one word and it fits perfectly for this shit economy right now.
First of all, that wasn't me. Secondly, do you always take issue with people providing facts and figures relevant to the discussion at hand? Because that's all anon in question did.
>exposition about how VA business works
Anon, It's okay to admit you don't know what a term means. We won't laugh at you.
Top tier seiyuus get paid more but not to that extent. The reason they make more than your average VA is because they get more work a year than less popular VA
It's yearly income. An animation director can be employed all year on more shows than one. They often do magazine illustrations. They might include character design fees here too. Directors get payed more but can only earn that much if they're hacks (in the real sense, not /a/'s definition of person I dislike) who do multiple shows per year.
>Underpaid animators making an anime about underpaid animators making anime
We've come full circle now.
What happens to VAs when they can't find work anymore?
College is a lot cheaper in Japan, tuition for Kyoto U is like several thousand USD for the entire year.
In fact America is practically the only first world country with astronomically expensive higher education.
>be assistanto to major manga writer hit
>get rich and mb a kid to cement things
>eh now that i have his money i can do what i want
Truly the best way of life.
>Well, no, I don't even know who the fuck she is.
That's probably because you're not a very good anime fan, or at least not a seiyuu fan. A lot of people know who Kanetomo is.
Nana Mizuki. She's the seiyuu with highest income in the indusry.
This is the eroge industry system
Popular seiyuu: 130 yen per word
Average seiyuu: 100 yen per word (standard price in the industry)
Leave it to them to decide: 90 yen per word (when you ask them for cheap usable people)
Overworked seiyuu: +30 yen
Negotiating with seiyuu that won’t do rape: +20~50 yen
Take everything from the same agency: -10~20 yen
Even when a seiyuu has 5000 words, the price per word will not go down in most cases.
Also if it’s not at least 100 words, they might not accept the job due to stuff like transportation fees and such. So in cases where it’s in the vicinity of 100 words, the company will ask them if it’s possible to do it for something like 20,000 yen instead of going on a per word basis.
– Depending on the agency, there are also seiyuu that will take a % of the original costs as secondary use license royalties if the company decides to release a downloadable version, a budget version, PG version, or console ports etc
– When a console port or an anime is made, these costs are usually paid by the company in charge of the port, if it’s done in-house then royalties have to be paid together with the additional voices
# Ero anime only pays approximately 10,000 yen per episode and takes a day, so when an eroge becomes an ero anime, there are a lot of seiyuu that will refuse to do voices for the ero anime, which is why the ero anime versions usually have a different voice cast
– Seiyuu voice recording costs has apparently increased dramatically in recent years, agencies did not charge on a per word basis or ask for secondary use license royalties 5 years ago. Comments from some say it is now about 150% to 300% as compared to before.
Anon, you do realize that what you're suggesting is not a genuinely objective criterion, right? How people view a given actor's capability is heavily dependent on personal, subjective preferences.
Did you miss the part that says "rank is NOT based on experience"? You can be 14 years in the world and be B rank or debuted a few years ago and be A rank, like Accelerator
No they don't. It's how every animator starts out. There are numbers floating about. In fact when you see these reports about poor animators it's almost always the pay for in-betweening that gets reported.
Well, duh. If your country don't have illegal emigrants to employ, or robots to use (for now), then you can get pretty high pay in building business. Or in any high-risk/heavy labor/high demand business.
How do animators even survive with so little money? Do they rob banks in their free time?
I don't know why you're having such a hard time with this. Maybe you should try separating yourself from Japanese voice actors and just think about normal actors, and how you'd be able to distinguish a good one from a bad one in that case.
There are many things to go on, but if I have to explain them to you, then you're probably just blind to the quality of a performance. Which is not necessarily a bad thing.
Pay of real actors isn't generally determined by their capability but by their popularity. Which isn't completely unrelated to capability but isn't wholly determined by it, either. Popularity, unlike capability, is something that is easy to assess objectively.
The direct quote is from oricon article, I forgot where, there's also these stuff to aid the fact.
More number goes like this.
Mizuki Nana - $5M
Tamura Yukari $2M
Horie Yui $1M 700K
Miyano Mamoru $1M
Ogura Yui $970,600
Kamiya Hiroshi $940,000
Nakamura Yuuichi $760,000
Kitamura Eri $750,000
Tsuda Minami $710,999
Ishihara Kaori $680,000
Hollywood actors get paid be how much they are popular and how much movies with them are successful. And how good their agents. "Good actor" or "bad actor" depends entirely on individual taste.
>I don't know why you're having such a hard time with this. Maybe you should try separating yourself from Japanese voice actors and just think about normal actors, and how you'd be able to distinguish a good one from a bad one in that case.
My point was how do you accurately determine an actor's capability. Yes, I can tell if an actor is bad or good. What I want to know is how do you determine if an actor is slightly good, slightly bad, or average? Or do you think it's fair lumping everyone into just good or bad actors?
I was pretty lucky in college and had a job in sales that was commission-based. I made around $25 an hour and didn't have to work that many hours. Made $30,000 a year once. Managed to graduate without any debt because of it.
I dunno, man. Those top 3 (arguably the top 5) are all also very popular recording artists. In addition to doing roles in anime, they do tours and sell out stadiums. Of course they're making bank.
This is of course especially true for Mizuki Nana, who was the first seiyuu to have a No. 1 album a few years ago.
If I was a billionaire, I'd go to Japan and pay them to make me an anime while I watch them do so. Help boost their economy and shit. Maybe even screw some of their women to help with their declining population growth. They would worship me like Jesus.
I can't understand who in their right mind would go "You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to get a job that's really difficult and make no money whatsoever! It'll be great!"
I wouldn't trust those "most expensive places to live" survey. They not about or for average human beings who buys food in markets next to their house and can live for months on pasta and potatoes.
I would put a ridiculous amount of money into pet projects to adapt some of my favorite works, and have it just be at a level that other studios can't replicate on their normal budgets.
average anime sell 2,000 copies
BD box = $200 each
sales from anime box set= $400,000
sell to broadcast in other countries = $100,000
pay for TV broadcasting in Japan = $200,000
after deducting TV broadcasting fee, there's $300,000 remaining
$300,000 is divided among everyone else (director, music effects, animators, voice actors) and pay for utilities (water, electricity) and rental and various stuffs (pen, paper, etc). If there are 25 animators and 5 voice actors, then each person get $10,000.
Some say $200 per complete BD set is expensive, they suggest that $20 is a reasonable price the for complete anime BD box set.
If anime box are sell at $20, then the sales is $40,000 for 2,000 copies. This money isn't enough for broadcasting on TV which easily exceed $200,000.
Some people have a specific thing they want to do, and as long as thy can at least get paid enough to live they will choose to follow their calling rather than follow money. There's nothing wrong with that.
They live in closet-sized apartments with practically no luxury services (tv, internet, etc.) and live off of cheap rice and discount instant meals.
It's not impossible to think of how you could live off that, considering a typical college guy will typically live off of less for 4 years. I know I was living off about 6k a year in college (minus tuition, of course).
where's that picture
the one where the director explains about how anime is a business
and then there's the animator who's like "I LIKE DRAWING CUTE GIRLS" and it looks like a moe hurricane hit his desk
it's like that
The charts completely out of whack, it's missing senior roles. Only a veteran VAs are going to be getting serious cash, newbies are probably doing worse then the rest on that chart.
Some people take the money route. I've wanted nothing more in life than to make a video game, but forward thinking and risk aversion led me into business tech. Now I'm making good money with bright career prospects, but I always wonder...
When is the regret going to crush me?
>Animator gets paid the least
Not gonna lie, I'm not that surprised.
If you were a good person it would have hit on the face at some door, but since you obviously aren't, you will be just another normalfag on his death bed telling to his grandchildren that don't care, how life should be more.
What is this nonsense, anyway. Why is it in dollars? It's making me surprisingly angry.
Some studios ell anime online for $2 per episode. How many people pay for these? Very little people pay for them.
Reducing price from $200 to $20 is suicide. If people won't pay for online anime at $2 per episode, they also will not pay for $20 anime box.
I actually regret not going for the career I wanted.
That's a nice projection, to me digital copies are the same as downloading if off nyaa, while BD boxes are digital copies for collecting purpose and sometimes comes with extra stuffs.
If they love being broke then more power to them I guess
>That powergap between Executive Producer and the VA.
Maybe they deserve it considering the amount of cast couching one need to do to get to this point.
Yes but I doubt she has any problems with drug lords around her streets and with high criminality rates and I'm also sure the streets where she lives is also clean with easy acess to water and eletricity
I regret the fact that I'm close to graduating and still have no clue about what the career I want actually is. I'm looking forwards to discovering my true passion as a middle-aged family man with no realistic chance of acting on that passion.
>Is japan still in some depression?
>Japan's unexpected fall into recession — the latest stumble for its long-struggling economy — poses another obstacle to the U.S. recovery and demonstrates the problems many key nations still are having regaining their economic footing after the Great Recession.
>A major trading partner for the U.S. and California, Japan now has had four recessions since the 2008 financial crisis.
God I hope not.
Yeah, I'm sure a lot more people die in japan from starvation than in a third world country. Nice example you chose there retard.
Comparing nominal salaries between countries is absolutely useless.
>Being paid less than others is still being paid less than others, no matter country.
Retard. First you being paid below average in one country, then emigrate and being paid below average in another country, etc. In very case you being paid below average, no mater in what country you now.
I must've talked about it with friends for hours and hours. We were gonna revive the Tactics genre, and make it way better than it had ever been. Used to daydream for hours about plot and mechanics and art and just...everything.
That friend is a failure now, and I've long since lost contact with people that want to talk about shit like that.
Sorry for blog, vodka is making me melancholy.
This post is not only stupid beyond belief, it also has nothing to do with the original post that referred the animator's salary being much higher than the minimum in a third world country.
What if I told you that in many European countries people earn like 6k $ per year? And the funniest part is that food, games, books - all of this ain't even significantly cheaper. This thread makes me want to leave my country again.
Reiterating because no doubt there are people who missed this point.
Seiyuu don't get rich off of anime. A-list seiyuu make money because they're multi-talents (just like idols), complete with their own producers who sign them up for all sorts of stuff such as recording/performing music, doing TV shows, etc. etc.
>And second post was about that living in Japan cost more than in third world country
No it wasn't, you're the one assuming that, and it would be more than likely wrong. You don't understand the concept or real salary, so lets just stop this.
Cost of living is higher than the US, but lower than in most of Europe. One of the big differences is that you don't need a car to survive and most employers will pay your train fare to and from work, so transportation can be very cheap.
Are they all like Chinese in their savings? Do they hunt for the biggest bargain?
Share your secret anon.
My budget tells me that 100K is barely enough if you want to make sure your kids have the right education.
He went for a theoretical science degree, but then got involved with a girl. Their social anxieties feed into each other, and now he's just barely going to pass (a full year late) while he spends every cent of his money on cards and war games. He pretty much stopped hanging out with everyone and just...has no prospects at all. It's hard to watch someone you've known all your life change completely and not be able to do anything about it. Hold on to your friends, Anon.
its not too late anon
make your shitty sim about touching your penis until you fall asleep crying
you'll be able to show your family and children that you made something beautiful
Not a surprise. That's why salaryman is preferable option.
I remembered i read an old article somewhere where they compare hourly wages to normal salaryman, the high turnover of animators and how they keep themselves afloat.
It's a sad industry despite many people enjoy their work. And it's how the world work anyway. If you slap your name on an anime, some loyal fans will buy it despite it's a mediocre. For e.g the legendary Rie Tanaka.
We need a comparison point. How much does a doctor make in Japan? It seems girls are all over doctors in my chinese cartoons so they must make mad dosh right?
Actually, being a physician is not bad at all in Japan. Yes, you work long hours but so does everyone else.
Well, there is your problem right there.
I live alone and rent a room at boarding house, I spend $300 month on living expenses and about $330 on rent.
It's surprising they haven't gone nutty like the Chinese. Top earners in China get ALL of the women. Hell, there was an article about a guy committing suicide while on a mall date because he couldn't take the mental/financial strain. Men there are often made into unwilling sugar-daddies.
Although I suppose their problems are worse due to screwy gender ratios due to old 1-child, boy>girl policies that created ridiculous value for women due to lack of supply.
They don't make remotely as much as doctors in the US or even Canada. If I go into family or paediatrics, I'll be earning around 150K in my first year and would expect around 200-300K the next year.
For doctors (graduates of universities+), average 490,700 per month. (Basic Survey on Wage Structure. Oridinary Workers Data 2013, section P. MHLW)
>PhD in Math
>Any job I want
>Only half of HanaKana's pay
>tfw making more in fast food than a episode director
First year medical student in Canada. Still a few more years of studying and abuse for me.
Trades if you have no other applicable skills or degree that leads you anywhere. Plumbers/electricians can easily make over $100k/year here in Canada.
Health is free, education is either free or cheap, food is inexpensive unless you want sushi or beef every day, transportation is inexpensive.
Rent must be a big problem in Tokyo though.
Not exactly. It's just the amount of doctors being trained has remained more or less the same yet patient demand has doubled, hence GPs getting the hell out where they don't get worked like dogs and still earn fat dosh.
Penis is where it is at anon.
Doing DRE all day is not bad. But then I am nuking Prostate Cancer all day instead of operating on them. And I still get out earlier than my urologist colleagues.
KFC fucking sucks cock though,
pun intended.It fucking sucks working at fast food, but I honestly think that KFC is one of the worse fast food places to work at. I'll admit though, the free food is a pretty good perk. KFC tastes fucking delicious.
Because I restrained myself to taking some like twice a week or I just take some of the slightly less unhealthy food like the sides or biscuits. Whenever I felt like eating KFC, I'd also make sure not to eat anything else that day.
It's like pic related, but even worse and constant. The fact that the pain doesn't stop for a single second is the worst by far.
There's no way top Seiyuu's are making 600k a year. Top idol's don't even make that much. The leader of Momoiro Clover Z (easily the most profitable idol group) only makes 500k a year. Takahashi Minami from AKB only makes 500k a year also. Leader of Morning Musume is less than that also, aswell as people like Ami Kikuchi who is on variety shows constantly.
>need to finish it tonight
WHAT. What are you doing? Submissions opened up TWO MONTHS AGO. We are a full month into the interview trail. Barring special circumstances, you are way behind. Get on that shit and pray to the match gods.
>Hard work is in face the only way to get to the top
What? Internal Medicine is great, and or residency is not bad at all. Come join us. We're not assholes. You can be like me and blog about your life on your phone in anime image boards while on night float waiting to admit patients!
8.5 hours left on this shift! /blog
Good luck Jake the Internist! You can do it!
I usually just take the first admit of the afternoon and make myself obscure to sleep. But then med students get less admits then residents.
I am going to be a total lazy ass and go for Rad Onc.
You can't manipulate people if you're a bum, and if somethings handed off to you and no one wants to listen to you your company will fall apart. Stop being an edgy butthurt wage slave or neet thats convinced work is literally hitler. Your existential crisis isn't special.
>Pretty skilled freelance animator
>Make around $30k a year
>No job security, few career advancement opportunities
>Single in her 30s since long work hours leave little time for romance and marriage
Such is the price of dreams
She should learn English and come to San Francisco. As a big boobed pretty Japanese anime maker, I'm pretty sure she can easily find an age appropriate (i.e. ~35 year old) single software engineer making $150k+ at Facebook or Google.
I see. It happened this year with ERAS for our med students down here, too. You guys sire get started late. When's your match, if that's how you guys do things?
Your priorities seem misplaced.
You clearly weren't lazy studying for Step 1! (Unless you're the Canadian. I don't know how things work up in our frosty hat to the north. )
ANYWAYS. Shirobako is great, and seeing their tiny apartments always makes me fell bad for them.
>just a rack and storage containers
There are in-house animators who are technically employees of the studio (though not salaried employees), and freelancer who operate based on something of a contract basis. It's usually more likely that extremely talented in-house animators get the promotions than a freelancer getting hired for those positions due to Japanese business culture
Match is in late Jan early Feb for interview. Canadians have a bit easier time getting into Rad Onc. Lazy mostly in the sense that I want my on call days to be at home, with 1 call per month. More of a consideration for when I am old and grey, and could not go without sleep for a day or two.
The money's in commissions, from what I hear. You'll have a lot of competition for anything mass-market, but you can charge a good price for custom works. Whether you want to do that though...
That's the irony, they pay less and less for animators, outsource their works for Korean studios, replace them with CGI and then wonder why nobody wants to become an animator anymore.
It hard for both ways. Men and women. In the end of the day, women in Japan have more difficulties than men in certain things.
And there's also plenty of deadbeat fathers just as single fathers struggling.
So you're telling me that for less than 5k I could record Sugita as he pretends he's being raped by me?
Hell, how that I think about it,I know at least 3 single, early-to-mid 30s nerdy tech multimillionaires who'd kill for a Segawa-san. One's even half Japanese and can speak it a little bit.
It's not, lol.
"They don't earn through basics, nor being paid monthly. They are paid based on how much they draw, and a normal TV in-between frame is priced at 135yen to 150yen per frame, while for movie, possibly on the range of 200yen to 300yen per frame.
Average new graduates can draw as much as 100 per month (~$140/month), while, if ideal, they have to draw at least 500 pieces per month (~$700/month) in order to break even."
There's a physical limit to how much you can output in a day.