/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

>>174925407
Fuck spiders

First for my wife angel

>>174925407
What would living in a habitat be like?

Would it be comfy as fuck, or would it actually be hellish?

I remember in flavortext for Voidborne they talk about people who are born and live out their entire lives without ever setting foot on a planet

>>174925639
Have you ever played space station 13? It's like that

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>tfw you really want to play stellaris but can't because it doesn't accurately represent reality at all by having every planet be spherical rather than flat

>>174925639
I'd imagine it to be like the Orbital colonies from Gundam.

But the Blorg probably are like ss13

are ring worlds/dyson spheres worth it or should i stick with habs?

also, is full science hab spam the way to go still or how do you set yours up?

>>174925821
I usually make my first 2 devoted to energy, they then sustain the rest of the habitats I build for quite a while. Plus you can just trade the energy for minerals if you cap out.

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>>174925407
Noob question (Stellaris)

For producing my fleet, I basically have 4 core planets, each one having an Assembly Yard (One for Corvettes, another for Destroyers, another for Cruisers, and other for Battlememes). I also have Fleet Academies on all four of these. However I don't have the mineral income to be pumping out ships all the time.

Does this mean I'm fucking up bigly with my mineral income? Are you often able in your games to just keep pumping out ships with your income?

Also, do you do the same thing I do with one planet with each shipyard and pumping them out slowly like that, or do you build ships across many more planets than just 4?

I'm just a tad confused about fleet logistics and was wondering what you guys do, because I'm new.

Pls advice.

1st for IM the bad guy? woooow.

>>174926062
>Plus you can just trade the energy for minerals if you cap out
I wish I could, but my Trader Enclave got blown up by some unknown motherfucker

>>174925519
>is so triggered by spiderbro that he feels obligated to shit on them even when the OP doesn't have one
Pathetic.

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>when you trick the xenophobes into purging themselves

>>174925821

Habitats are the only megastructure that is useful for more than showing off your huge space dick
>Dyson spheres are worse than habitats for energy production and take forever to build
>Already have all tech and tons of research points by the time you finish the science nexus
>Already have terraforming, tons of habitats, synths and habitability buffs by the time you finish a ringworld
>Spy thing is neat but you're already able to rape everything by the time it's built

>>174925821
Ringworlds cool but take too long and Dyson Spheres are worse.
Build the sensor array.

>>174926321
>Skyborn War
>Pyramids

what? are those from mods?

>>174926308
t. spider

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>wow this furry giant worm thing is beloved by workers on your ring world - do you exterminate it?
>yes
>it turns out they were eating people
NEVER TRUST THE JEWISH WORM LADS

>>174926321
>two ethics
Why are you playing an old version?

>>174926118
I usually have 5 shipyards with all the assembly yards and a fleet academy. I usually produce in bursts, just before I go to war, and with 5 shipyards those ships come out FAST.

Is hyperlane FTL only fun?

>>174926442
No, it's vanilla (or Leviathans DLC). Active study of primitives results in events. Most of them are bad but if the aliens are xenophobes then they'll never like you anyway so there aren't any consequences for fucking with them.

>>174926118
Depends on what part of the game you're in.

If you're only 4 planets in there's hardly any need to constantly produce ships from 4 stations.

>>174926628
I'm mid/late game, I control 40 planets (but just 12 directly)

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>>174926604
>Is hyperlane fun?

>>174926514
OY VEY

DON'T YOU KNOW THAT SPECIES HAS A RIGHT TO EXIST, YOU XENOPHOBIC RACIST!

>>174926691
Are you aware of the economic principle that if you spend money at a higher rate than you gain money, your total money will decrease over time?

>>174926765
OK, I will just use warp then.

>>174926779
Yes
What I'm asking is if, at that stage of the game, I'm supposed to be able to have an income that can sustain constant production of ships, and I'm also asking from how many planets you usually produce said ships by mid to late game - it's been my first game so I think I've been fucking something up, as I only have +300 mineral income per month

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>9 drone slots per section
>2 sections per carrier
>27 carriers
and back to slowest we go

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>>174926765
Cry me a fucking river.

>>174926915
You're doing pretty mediocre on your mineral production, but it's not catastrophically bad.

There comes a point where your limit on ship production is energy rather than minerals. You just might take a little longer to hit it.

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>>174926997

>>174927052
I'm energy capped and I'm the same guy who has been asking if there's any way to get the Trader Enclave back because it got blown up by a Wraith early on

>>174926765
>>174926997
NOT
EVEN
ONCE

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>auto upgrade mod

Where have you been all my life

Is there any 4x game that let me play an empire straight out of Orion's Arm?

>>174925639
http://highfrontier.com

on-topic post

>>174927141
I wasn't even using hyperlanes.

>>174927274
Righto.

>Planeptune
>Red

>>174927052
also, what should be my mineral income goal by year 2350 (that's when I'm at)? Just to have something to shoot for.

right now I'm at +343 energy, +300 minerals, +125 food, +7 influence

also +349 Unity, +439 Physics, +341 Bio, +346 Engi

>>174926514
Worms can't be jewish, they don't have hands to rub.

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>>174927270
>it's almost May
>Copyright on page is still 2016
when was the last update on that?

>>174927383
You should be at +1K minerals on large maps, +800 on medium and below.

>>174927482
It's a medium, so, alright I'll try to get it higher

>>174927135
There must be more enclaves

>>174927270
>>174927459
Is that the new Space Station Manager? I loved that shit.

>>174927383
Your research sucks balls and your energy tells me why. Build more labs and mines. All the labs and mines. Also scrap most of those farms, excess food production is pure waste.

>>174927359
There was a terrible incident involving some book about "equality", and "proletariat".

>>174927563
Nope, at least no Traders. Already surveyed everything

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>>174926765
>>174926997
You are like a little xeno baby
watch this

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>follow horizon chain
>blah blah, changed my species
>used to be spiritualistic moth people
>now is militaristic beetles
>gained intelligent trait, for some reason
>didnt lose weak despite text saying it was a stronger subspecies

now, my government is egalitarian/fanatic spiritualist, but everyone is militaristic, can I change gov ethics?

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rate my civ meme

>>174927814
ebbik :DDD

>>174927698
Yeah, but that's with Hyperlanes. In >>174926997, I wasn't even using these.

Speaking of Hyperlane Debauchery, in 1.3 iirc, I used to be able to close my science ship in a pocket of space where it couldn't move to any system via hyperlane
That allowed me to "Survey" any body at any distance in 1 day

Was that eventually fixed?

>>174926604

Only if you set it to hyperlane only so everybody has to use it, otherwise shit/10

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>>174927752
that pic genuinely activates my almonds

>>174926348
How's the 22% Debuff to Unity and Research working out for you, cuck?

Habitats are the true symbol of a cucked empire. Just colonize planets you fags, unless of course you don't have access to any and you can't genocide other empires to get access...cucks.

why does everyone only talk about shillaris in here

>>174928159
Because despite its flaws, it's a genuinely fun game and has a pretty good modding scene.

>>174928159
Because it got an expansion recently
It's not that hard to figure out

Nothing is stopping you from talking about any other 4X/RTS you want

>>174928159
Oh, excuse us, let's talk about the new Civ 6 DLC with Macedon and Persia. Isn't it fun to have large expansion packs replaced with DLC that adds virtually nothing interesting?

>>174928561
I love how the answer that makes more contextual sense is the one that's wrong.

>>174928561
Paradox doesnt even test this shit do they?

>>174929135
the indians they hired to code probably don't speak much english

>>174929135
You gotta remember they're all Swedish and don't speak any English to begin with.

>>174928159
New Expansion

when civ6 gets it's expansion, it'll be the talked about game instead

>>174929135
I assume it's a mod doing it, but it might be vanilla for all I know.

>>174929947
god i wish that were me

>>174930123
When'd South Africa become the new meme country?

>>174930103
Nothing keeps you from crossdressing.

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>>174930123
That's pretty spicy my dude

>>174930354
Someone made a mod that let them genocide all the african pops in their grosssudafriciums in about a month and this triggered steamcordplaza.

>>174930354
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-05/its-declaration-war-south-africas-president-calls-confiscation-white-land

When it decided to become Zimbabwe 2.0

>but that's just a racist lie!

Whatever helps you sleep alone at night.

>>174931443
Ending apartheid was a mistake

>>174931854
Apartheid was a mistake. Should have just killed all the nigger instead.

Hey what would be the best strategy going against an empire fleet that fields plasma, disruptors and torpedo corvettes? Practically every ship type is carrying disruptors so I'm thinking just ditching shields entirely and banking on armor, plus point defense on large ships against those torpedoes? Their ships have an even mix of shields and armor. I can arm with either lasers, plasma, gauss, missiles and torpedoes.

>>174931443
Speaking of which, what happened to zimbawe?
Last updated collage I've seen was at the point they were selling wildlife for food

>>174932413
It's still anti-white, still socialist, and still asking for foreign aid.

Nothing changes, really.

Wait, the Stellaris soundtrack sounds very fucking familiar to me.

Did they re-use the East vs West soundtrack?

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>>174932059

Too bad the kangz weren't as vulnerable to smallpox as the injuns. Just imagine what whites could do to Africa in a few generations without the natives fucking everything up. Australia went from desert hellhole to first world country in a couple centuries and that was with the white man's rejects running things.

I never thought I'd grow to dislike Waltzing Matilda. Not because I like it or anything, just because I never hear it unless it's a sporting match and the good guys need to sing it to drown out the bad guys singing Swing Low, Sweet Chariot, or one of the other sporting songs. Now, thanks to Civ, it's really starting to get on my nerves.

Thanks. Had to get that off my chest.

>>174926118
Well in my previous play, when I was at ~10 colonies I also had about +350 mineral income and constantly capping a 20K storage max. When I lost my entire 9K strength fleet in a action I was able to rebuild it in one go by churning out new ships nonstop, then take out fleets of both enemy empires that had managed to recover only to about half of their original strength.

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>>174932928
>Australia
>first world

>fanatic purifier
>terror of the galaxy for nearly 200 years
>everyone's power ranks from inferior to pathetic
>declare war on FE
>winning but its back and forth
>suddenly a loose collection of minors declare war on me
>couple years later another alliance declares war
>and another
>I defeat the FE
>suddenly my 100k doomstack vs the petty fleets roaming my vast empire

This is probably what it would have felt like if Germany had knocked out the Soviet Union.

>>174934328
>smug anime girl
But that ain't a smug anime girl, anon. That is a sad looking cat!

>>174932413
The they ran out of animals in zoos and wild animals to poach a couple years ago, they turned to rats and birds which they ran out of last year. After that there was articles about how there was nothing left in the country to sell for food, going so far as interviewees saying there was nothing left to steal. Recently they've begun receiving foreign food aid from botswana which is having record food crops thanks to all the white farmers who migrated there. It's a weird country where every time news comes out it raises the question of how could it possibly get any worse, but they always find a way.

>>174934619
Obviously Zimbabwe's plight is the white man's fault.

>>174934619
I thought you were fucking around when I read this:
>The they ran out of animals in zoos and wild animals to poach a couple years ago, they turned to rats and birds which they ran out of last year. After that there was articles about how there was nothing left in the country to sell for food, going so far as interviewees saying there was nothing left to steal.

But then I read the rest, and I realized that you actually believed it.

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>>174935316
It's all true. The same thing is happening in Venezuela right now.

It's almost as if there's... some connection... between the two country's economic systems...

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>sector lands its colony ship on top of a betharian stone

>>174935316
The part you couldn't understand is botswana? Really?

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>>174935881
>sectors in general

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>>174925407
If a civ has closed borders how do I scout out their planets for armies and fleets?

>>174935881
>Letting sectors colonize

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>>174936240
If the planets in its solar system are garbage then why not? (like < 15 size planets)

Its not like it contributes to your max core worlds.

>>174936094
You don't. Either make them like you enough to open their borders or declare war on them. There's no stealth science ships.

>new dev diary
>>Reworks to war to address the 'doomstacks' issue and make the strategic and tactical layers of warfare more interesting and less micro-intensive.
>less micro intensive
Bloody casuals, what we need is more micro in navies not less. More navies, more battle fronts and move interaction during battles.

So I pirated Stellaris and have enjoyed it a little but have realised it's only version 1.0.0. Does anyone have a good link for an up to date version with DLC?

>>174936552

http://store.steampowered.com/app/281990/

>>174936552
steampowered.com

>>174936552
Yep. Really convenient place for it too.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/281990/

>>174928159
>Stellaris is good
>Civ VI isnt
Pretty fucking simple anonsan.

>>174926514
Why can't you use genetic engineering to remove their people-eating tendencies and make harmless, miniature worms for domestic ownership?

>>174936689
>Stellaris is (((good)))

it's okay at best.

>>174936517
If they take away the shit micro with troop transports its a win.

I don't know how they could make the regular ship fighting less micro intensive. It's pretty much at 0.

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>>174925407
How the fuck do you people micromanage all those core worlds?

I only have like 13 and it's giving me a fucking migraine.

>>174937038
>Place buildings
>Let pops grow
>Occasionally go around and click upgrade a bunch of times
That's literally it. Just know how you want to lay the planet out and place all the buildings in advance.

>>174936094
Sensor treaties man.

If you pissed them off enough that they won't, you'll just have to trust what the diplomacy screen says about their fleet.

Would human supremacists be into Gene modding?
I feel like no they would want to keep the blood line pure so I don't want to use clones or jedi mind tricks, don't use xenoscum and I may have to outlaw robots soon.
Wat do for military? Maybe I can just glass the entire Galaxy.

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Atmospheric Manipulation or Vitality Boosters?

>>174937357
The roight proppa Xenophobe factions throw a fit if you genemod

>>174937130
This.
At the point of 13 cores you should have an autopilot economy so just spam upgrades and get those tiles laid.

>>174936094
observe
play x

>>174936640
>>174936630
>>174936615
But my aussie heritage demands I steal it

>>174937504
what did the madman mean by this?

>>174937567
console command cheating.

>>174937038
Lay out the buildings and let the pops grow.

Or alternatively, use the Building Upgrade mod. It'll even place new ones according to your wishes. It's great.

>>174937546
Look, if you want to be a Abbo, do it on a shittier game.

>>174937038
It gives you something to do during downtime and slow periods, especially in early-midgame. That said towards the mid-endgame I just throw huge swaths of my empire into sectors just cause I don't care anymore and the AI won't actively sabotage me as much as just half-ass the job.

I've spent 8 hours roleplaying the creation of the Necrons and I feel empty since I can just steamroll any empire.

Robots take way too fucking long to build.

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>>174937546
>aussie
>heritage

>>174938025
Robots need to be disassemblable

>>174938025
Robots should be build-able parallel. And cost nothing but energy(money) to relocate from planet to planet.

>>174937384
I would say Atmospheric Manipulation, but I always terraform planets to my species favored type before settling. Plus Vitality Boosters are kind of wimpy, but lead to more important stuff later on. Depends on empire situation.

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I hope Vultaum found their waifus after they hero'd

The tall meme is paying dividends with this much unity, where should I go with the tradition? I'm thinking of rushing the frontier outposts as I won't likely expand without terraforming first


>>174937667
t. Racist Wiz

>>174938178
They should return the Disassemble button for removing individual robot pops, and also give a means of purging species by planet instead of across the board.

>>174938249
>Robots should be build-able parallel.
That's probably the most annoying thing about them.

>>174938087
I'm still jealous that Lawrence got that smack that little ass with his hips.

There should be an enclave you can buy robot pops from

>>174938394
Prosperity opener for cheaper mining, then Discovery all the way (In your case focus on frontier outposts first, but it all has good stuff), then go back and finish Prosperity for reduced upkeep and more Unity.

>>174938697
Fuck shit, I meant Expansion all the way, not Discovery, you obviously maxed Discovery already.

>>174938415
no that'd make sense. You can treat some members of species differently than others, that'd be ridiculous!

What's the minimum size planet you'll colonize without really good modifiers?

>>174938965
can't*

>>174939000
>not colonizing just to expand your territory

>>174939000
Any size if it expands my territory into good systems.

>>174939000
Depends on the situation. If I need to spread my borders to get some nice resources or block something off, anywhere. If I'm being picky, I generally look for 16+ planet size, and if it's 20+ I'll make extra effort to secure it.

>>174939000

12 for habitat
18 or 19 for regular planet

>>174939423
Good luck finding ANY planets.

>>174939000
I'd colonise one tile asteroids if I could.

>>174939423
>>174939000
I play on 0.25x habitable planets, I've gone so far as to colonize a 11 size planet because of how rare planets were.

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>>174938965
I just want to be able to enact the Path of Now and Forever and trim all of my fallow slaves back to their homeworlds, I don't want to wipe them out to the last creature. I feel like Stellaris is an eternal example in the game moving one step forward and two steps back in features.

>>174939610

I play on 0.25x, I colonize few planets

>>174939774
You can if you neuter them, it removes their population gradually so you can stop once their population is low enough. Eventually I keep a wildlife preserve planet where all my xenos live.

Developing planetary shield generator tech should let you enclose a planet with a shield.

>>174939000
Early game, like 20. Late game, like 2.

>get precursor event chain
>heck yea it's Cybrex
>get 4/6 artifacts in a matter of months
Can't wait for my ringworld

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>>174940278
>precusor homeworld is in your BFF's territory
>this breaks the event chain and you cannot even find out what happens to the First League

>>174939991
There's a recent mod that lets you create shield worlds and transport pops to them as part of a war goal, but it looks like a clunky implementation of what I would want. The ideal would be a spaceport construction that lets you turn the orbited planet into a shield world that no one can enter, leave, or harm while the shield is up.

I'll have to try neutering in the future, I'd heard mixed reports on if they die out simultaneously or not when using it, but I would still like a "Purge by world" option so I can just mass purge everyone but the homeworld.

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Do you choose yourself or your people?

>>174941172
Depends on what sort of Empire I'm playing.

If space Sweden, sure. People.

If space Rome, leaders.

/civ4xg/,
The /vg/ League (VGL) has come again.
Our previous manager has resigned due to poor performance and the team is now under new management.
Our team roster has yet to be updated for VGL 8 so any suggestions for new players and new team music would be appreciated.
The current roster and music can be checked here. https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//civ4xg/

>What is the /vg/ League?
Is it is a competition between various generals on /vg/ that takes place twice a year. The teams that do well get representation on the /vg/ team when it competes against other 4chan board teams. Also for fun.

>when is the VGL?
Dates for VGL 8 are posted on the event’s wiki page.
https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vg/_League_8

>where can I watch the VGL?
On the VGL hitbox channel: 4ccvgl

Back when I first started visiting the IRC back in 2016 you were often very rude to me and seemed to want to try to drive me away from the cup. Why was that? Also I’m happy we get along better now, you seem like a good guy and like you honestly care about the cup and having fun.

So once you guys get 'strong' do you just vassal everything? I feel like an unstoppable wrecking ball but I really don't feel like I can be fucked to conquer the remaining 80% of the galaxy while waiting for a crisis to fire.

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>>174941317
No probs, I love football.

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>start game
>one of the systems near my homeworld has a Curator enclave

>>174941317
Really need more Stellaris on it. Otherwise yeah lets do it.

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>>174941317
>no TILE BLOCKER CLEARED
>no fondness for pigs

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>start game literally on top of another empire
>-150 border friction by the time we both get 3 planets
>overfill my fleet cap to get 1.4k total
>they have 2.4k somehow
is anything above normal difficulty AoE-tier "lol the AI is the same shit as always it just does everything faster and gets more resources"?

>>174941317
Probably needs some meme updates since Stellaris is big right now, but otherwise seems fine. Baba Yetu for anthem and Sid Meier for captain are still solid.

>>174942214
>is anything above normal difficulty AoE-tier "lol the AI is the same shit as always it just does everything faster and gets more resources"?
Yes. They just get a 50% boost to everything on hard and double everything on insane, but get no smarter.

>>174942214

>is anything above normal difficulty AoE-tier "lol the AI is the same shit as always it just does everything faster and gets more resources"?

that's it exactly

>>174925639
The mammalian habitat looks very uncomfy.

But check out the plantoid habitat. Looks delightfully comfy.

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>>174942450
>>174942456
>normal mode is too easy due to the AI being garbage
>hard mode is literally artificial difficulty everyone is always more advanced than you
great game

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I want to play as a megacorporation but I don't have the slightest idea what to do with it because of how used i am to playing with tall unity focused pac/spirit/xphobe empires, gib ideas plos, how can i make best use of a megacorp while not making something (too) illogical

>>174942669
Run it like some old style East India Trade Company.

Wide and expansive but conquering shit for resources.

My Federation owns 1/3rd of the galaxy and there's no real contenders for competing empires. Do I try and finish this game or just call it basically won?

>>174941172
I usually play spiritualist so I can give my leaders the life-juice and the pitiful proles will still love me. win-win.

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Do the AI get repeatable border tech or something?

>>174941457
>>174941860
>>174941931
>>174942220
Okay. I'm not actually able to manage the team but if someone wants to do so I can help them out getting started. Or else the team can run with an autopilot (which has been successful in the pass)

The roster definitely would need far more Stellaris and Oh Shaka shouldn't be a gold anymore.

>>174942956
If you've snuffed out the Fallen Empires and the Unbidden have already invaded, I would just call it. After the crisis era the rest of the game tends to be tedium of waiting on peace treaties.

>>174943095
I'm still in the middle stage of the game, so not yet on those

>>174942539
If I could get plantoids to build my spaceports and orbital habitats I would. So much greenspace.

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>>174943091
I insist we get at least ONE player whose name is a reference to a pure RTS, be it Supreme Commander, Age of Empires or Dune.

To show that we're just not Stellaris and Civilizations General.

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>Worm converts my home system to entirely tomb planets
>there are like 15 of them at size 20

this shit just got cuhrayzee

>war in heaven
>unbidden spawn near it
>third FE goes guardian
>unbidden repelled
>war in heaven won
>get off thralldom, third FE goes full wide
>E L Y S I U M
>liberate most of the thralls from the first FE
>conquer the rest
>ding don it's the scourge
>scourge dealt with
>put the third FE in its place
>get the federation up and running, everyone gets associate
>first FE eventually succumbs to unrest and internal war, get a vassal and another associate out of it
>now stuck trying to integrate vassals for 93 months each with a fucking enormous influence cost
what's the point of vassals again? Is integration literally an afterthought or is it supposed to be a trade-off if you're farming influence for whatever reason?

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Which galaxy type do you prefer elliptical, spiral or ring?

>>174943292
I'm seeing that girl a lot recently.

>>174943509
tiny elliptical
small ring
medium spiral 2
large and huge spiral 4
5000+ ring

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In a game full of shitty subsystems, army attachments stand out as probably one of the most ill-conceived

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>>174943546
Because she's really cute.

>>174943195
I'd honestly wait for the crisis to hit then and see what happens. Sometimes it catches you off guard. I played a game where by the midgame I was untouchable, but only barely managed to stop the rise of the awakened xenophobe FE thanks to unlikely intervention by an alliance of shit races distracting the empire attacking their colonies and outposts. Ended up being the highlight of that campaign.

>>174943729
All I know is that I want to defile her. To fuck her silly in her delicate butthole until she breaks and cry without any dignity.

>Awakened Empire declares war on not yet awakened empire right next to it
>They're on the complete opposite end of the galaxy

This is going to be trouble.

>>174943265
Yeah that's a pretty good idea.

Actually the roster as a whole needs pretty major overhaul given its still full of Civ V stuff.

You interested in possibly managing? It's not too much of an effort and I can help you with the basics

I can help you out if you are

>>174943786

Villain? of a literal original character donut steel anime

>>174943265
I insist no spider references

>>174943858
>right next to it
>opposite end of the galaxy
a galaxy for ants

>>174943292
The Worm loves you.

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>>174943865
Sorry, but I have no idea what the game even is and while I like watching football, I don't know the rules. Besides, if you trust me with anything, I'll end up replacing everything with spiders. So I appreciate the trust, but I refuse. For everyon's sake.

>>174943935
Ants are okay.

>>174944075
Ants should be squashed
Spiders should be drowned

>>174942754
Don't know how to wide without getting all the galaxy red in diplo and being technologically backwards but i'll give it a try

>>174943720
Bombardment and ground combat both need a revamp but I don't see it coming anytime soon. I'd like to see something where wars actually take place on tiles of the planet, and can wipe out pops and damage buildings over an extended conflict or against stronger forces, with bombardment playing a role in the ground war or just being used to reduce the planet to a tomb world if you choose.

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>>174944075
And by "what game", I mean I don't know if it's Football Manager, John Madden's Footbal, or PES 2017. I'm also way too lazy to manage.

Are you actually tired of managing it and looking for a replacement?

>>174944157
NO WAY

Are Fanatical Purifiers still broken, what with their special bombardment being shit?

>>174943720
Holy shit are you telling me this whole time I could had been using attachments to each of my 30 physic soldiers? Fuckin worthless whats the fuckin point paradox fix ground combat next 20$ DLC.

>>174944171

In their current incarnation, wars just need to be removed from the game.

When you declare a war the game should just say "You lose 10% of your pops and 50% of your ships due to the war but you get all of your demands."

>>174944247
PES 2017.

The manaer does actually play the game just making the team roster and makes the tactical decisions and stuff and maintaining the roster page.

>>174943935
They're on the opposite end from me, not each other.

aka, this fucker is going to be huge and pumped by the time it reaches me.

Two questions. Anyway to have an end game crisis not be unbidden without disabling jump drives and second anyway for endgame to not be a snooze fest? Even if I hobble myself about as much as I can even awakened empires barely stand against me.

>Need to terraform purged world
>Have robots on it
>can't resettle every single pop
>have a droid left
>cant disassemble
>have to outlaw robots for 10 years
>takes five to purge the droid
What the actual fuck. Why can I not just tear that fucker down?

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>when you destroy a galactic empire only to get conquered by their navy xx years later.

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>>174944336
I'll leave it to someone who actually knows about football.
If I accept that task and fuck up because I forgot to change players or formations, we'll get more spider bullying.

>>174944509
You need to resettle one of your pops onto it.

A settled world can't have 0 population.

>>174944472
First point: Allow multiple crisis, either by manually changing the files or just getting a mod to do it. You'll still never see AI Rebellion and if you do it will be disappointing.

Second point: Not really. If you have a good early game you snowball pretty hard.

>>174943627
>small ring

Won't you get block early?

>>174944770
Ive gotten the unbidden every game and I swear they are bugged they nom the first 2 empires they spawn near then AFK the rest of the game and if I dont wipe them out they just sit there. And funny thing is I dont even minmax my fleets like I have tons of carriers and sub optimal ships cause I think they are cool.

Bionics or Psionics for research?

>>174944616
Well if we have enough people are interested and we update our shit/someone signs us up, the people in charge will put something together for us.

https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//vg/_League_8_Signups

>>174944968
I don't know what causes it but sometimes the Crisis AI just seems to break. I've seen other people complain about the same thing and occasionally seen it myself both with Unbidden and Prethoryn. How they operate is heavily script based and I think occasionally a script breaks and the whole faction just derails. I dunno if modding adds to the problem, but I don't use any modding (I do modify files) and have still seen it.

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How to build ships before Kinetic Artillery?

>>174945309
If someone doesn't stand up to manage I'll take responsibility and make the an autopilot.
I can't manage myself because I'm currently the comanager for another general but I'll resign from that to make an autopilot if we can't find a manager.

I think I can make a pretty decent autopilot tactics.

But while the current music is great updating the roster poll further is the important part.

We could easily have 7 or 8 Stellaris representatives.

>>174944968
I've had the same experience with the Unbidden. You have to allow multiple crisis to have a fun end game.

Can colonies be abandoned? I indoctrinated some primitives that had the very strong trait so I could get some nice slaves, but I don't want the planet anymore since its the wrong climate. I can't terraform the planet while people are on it and I can't resettle every pop on it - I have leave at least one on it.

>>174944778
easier to blast through than elliptic blobs

>>174938249
>>174938458
Think of how absurd that would be late game. Civs with synths or become synths would be able to fill up entire 25 tile planets in just a few years, which no one else without synths could compete with. Even early game, turning useless energy into a full planet would snowball out of control.

>>174946023
What does it have to do with Holo The Lewd?

You could give the system independence

>>174945838
>Can colonies be abandoned?
Short answer is no.

You could try to relocate all of your original pops off the planet and leave it for the slaves, but there's no way to uncolonize a planet without some sort of purging.

>>174946023
I don't think you intended to reply to both of those, but I do think bots need some sort of buff to growth. Even allow research to speed it up, or building a Synthetic Construction Plant on a tile that doubles synth production.

Does Improved Space Battles [Balanced] exclude the stupid Leviathan units? I just want the Titans and the combat re-balanced.

Also, is it compatible with Sol Expanded and resized ships? It says it does something to system maps and I don't want Titans being so much larger than regular ships.

>>174946249
>
You could try to relocate all of your original pops off the planet and leave it for the slaves, but there's no way to uncolonize a planet without some sort of purging.

Or give the system independence if its the home world of some primitives you conquered.

>Relying on default RNG endgame crisis
>Not just spawning them when it would be most interesting and most appropriate via the console.

Degenerates. All of you.

Which to colonize as second planet?
60% habitability, 23 size, or 80% habitability, 15 size?

>>174946624
23

>60% habitability, 23 size
>80% habitability, 15 size
This is why 4X is dying.

>>174946023
make the robots consume twice as much maintenance energy when building than when built, allow only 2 building in parallel
stops early game and it's not a problem for late game
remove droids from buildable props, split up droid bonuses into 2 researches
make robot colony ships, drops a robotic colony instead of a reassembled ship, Increases robot production speed and adjacent energy, allows you to build only specific buildings for robot planets, much like habitats do now. All robot buildings are disassembled when the robot colony is replaced or demolished, robotic colonies make the planet unable to produce unity

>>174946624
terraform the 60% later you mongoloid

>>174946624

23/60

>>174946557

can you still spawn them if the game settings have :endgame crisis : turned off ?

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>>174944968

They work.

Why do higher standards of living increase happiness and not decrease it? Is this a Swedish meme?

>>174946624
What about surrounding systems and other nearby empires?

Securing territory can be pretty important early on.

>>174945309
Well we're signed up. If anyone is interested in possibly managing drop me an email.

>>174946932
Because commercialism is the only way to happiness.

>>174946881
I'd rather have total control.

Is there a mod which disables ethics requirements for ascensions and the Shroud?

>>174946932
That's not even the problem, is that having people with high standards of living will attract egalitarians
now THAT is a meme I could go without

Can you repair the Cybrex homeworld if you've got the right ascension perk or am I gonna need to get a mod for that?

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>See Gaia World
>Oh swee- Wait a minute
>Survey complete

Sonnofabitch

>>174947195
Do it

>>174947183
mod for that

Is there a mod which adds all the precursor project chains?

>>174947183
Need a mod, it doesn't operate the same as other ringworlds.

However you can build a habitat around every individual broken segment.

>>174947183
How would organics inhabit a giant space station designed to house computer programs anyways?

>>174947296
>>174947398
Looks like Utopia Expanded allows you to do it, which I've got installed anyway because it's great.

Are science habitats worth the science hit?

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r8 my little green men
im rping them as predecessors of humans who colonized earth with their symbiotic monkeys (which they evolved from) which would later evolve into humans on earth. after humans developed radio and revealed their location, they rediscovered the old colony and started abductions.
the khell'zen managed to survive so long by providing research to neighboring empires in exchange for neutrality.

autistic or neat?

Anybody else like to just go random empire in Stellaris until you find an interesting one?

>>174947131
You can make one yourself or just edit the files
\common\ascension_perks\00_ascension_perks.txt
search for ap_mind_over_matter and remove
custom_tooltip = {fail_text = "requires_technology_psionic_theory"
has_technology = tech_psionic_theory}
same for all the other
Hiveminds can only pursue the biological ascension because they need it to turn people into hiveminded, if you remove NOT = { has_authority = auth_hive_mind } you can get around it

the only other ethic requirement for perks is consecrated worlds, search and remove
OR = {has_ethic = ethic_spiritualist
has_ethic = ethic_fanatic_spiritualist}

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>>174948027

Weird, i just made the same race with different traits as a precursor for a 0 AI run.

>>174948039
Oh, so does Psi stuff only require Psi technology not the spiritualist ethos? In that case it makes more sense to mod the psi starting tech to have an increased chance to drop for non-spiritualists.

>>174946882
>Arda

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>>174948370
Twas a sad thematic end. They spawned on top of us and i was completely unprepared for such large fleets. I barely managed to run away and colonize that Stars' end system, but they chased us down eventually.

The elves waited too long, yet again.

So, Stellaris. I never really got deep into the game, but I'm playing it quite a bit now, and it's starting to sink in to me that expanding quickly is not a good idea. Really ramps up the research costs, and I think the tradition costs too.

So, how many core systems do you usually sit on before expanding hard? How long do you sit on them? I'm guessing expanding to three systems and sitting on those for a few decades might be the right way to go.

>>174948725
I normally like four.

Utopian Living Standards is broken as fuck

>>174949140

Elaborate.

>>174949140
There is no reason I shouldn't be able to not use it as an authoritarian.

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Oh wow I got it on my first try

>>174949195
It's a global +20% Happiness to all pops for really just a pittance of minerals.

>>174949994

Yes, that is the description of what it does.

>>174950070
And it's overpowered.

>>174947136
Another egalitarian meme I've seen in this game, the egalitarian faction gets a boost for "Diplomacy with Egalitarian Empires" yet Authoritarians don't get the same boost for being friends with other authoritarian empires. Fucking why? Why are these swedes so retarded?

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>>174949994
Why worry about happiness bruh

How do you make a tributary? Making a vassal is easy enough, but I never figured out how to make a tributary.

>>174950241
go to war

>>174941317
You need to reference Stellaris ethics.

>>174950241
>Declare war -> Demand make tributary

WHAT WAS, WILL BE
WHAT WILL BE, WAS

>year 2222
>+104 minerals per month
THIS IS GETTING CUHRAZY

>>174950510
How do people do this? Do they expand quickly to new colonies? Shit out only one type of building on each planet?

I'm researching Jump Drive.

What weapons do I need for the oncoming anal apocalypse?

>>174950604
Well I'm playing on a ring galaxy so kinda cheating

>>174950608

High end kinetics and any torpedo

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W-why

>>174950781
just like real life

>>174950781
>trusting the space gypsy

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alright going to try a quasi battletech scenario, might have too many clan factions but oh well.

>>174950764
So basically on my cruiser spam swap the mid section for the Torpedo core instead of plasma, put large Kinetic arty and I'm good to go?

What is the sexiest race/syncretic evolution race combo?

Hard mode, no basic shit like space elves or the fox furries

>>174950781
FUCKING GYPSIES

>>174950604
Depends on luck a bit too. Sometimes you get more minerals than others. A lot of the mineral/energy spam comes from planets, but if you get off to a bad start it can be hard to get the infrastructure up.

>>174950781
>14.3K fleet
You know what you have to do.

>>174948672
No humans to take things over this time.

>>174948725
5 is comfortable early game.

How often do you guys quit or start over, per how many times do you make it to mid game, honestly it feels like it is 24/1 at least because I get jumped by the ai with twice my fleet size and a pack of allies.

I can't help[ but feel like this is one game where there is no point in playing after you lose one war, and depending on how many resources you have on hand one battle.

>>174951023
Humans/Nautilus Humanoids.

Alternatively, Humans/Blue People and Humans/notKlingons.

If you want something without humans, Starfish/Snails. That one is practically scandalous.

>>174951141
How the hell do you lose to AI empires in Stellaris? The only thing I've ever been eliminated by are crises.

>>174943086
No they just cheat, I have had empires have longer border than me with the borders tech, xenophobia x2, the ascension perk and dominion. It is horseshit.

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FUCK lmao

>>174948725
depends on the planets but usually about 3-4 by about 15-20 years in, I like to leave at least 1 clear of my system limit for when I see a really good planet and need to colonise it quickly or the eventually war and take their juicy planets while chucking the rest in a sector

>>174951141
How do you lose to the AI? By the time a real war could break out I can beat anyone 1v1 and the AI is to dumb to keep its alliance fleets together to be outnumber me. But to answer your question about 2/3rds of my games go to mid game. I quit if I dont like my start or I feel my neighbors are boring the number 1 game killer is a neighbor that has the same color or race as me.

>>174951370
why is the AI allowed to have a warscore over 100, I assume there's a lot more because the scroll bar is right down the bottom

>>174951260
>>174951509

my last game
>building up nicely
>have 3 planets about to be 4
>way over my fleet limit but my energy planet is still keeping me in the black
>get warred by two ai on separate fronts
>one goes straight for my fleet in the south and outmatches me by 3k
>i pull back towards my capitol but my fleet keeps trying to take the long way
>south planet falls 60% war score
>almost to my capitol when north enemy invades my capitol and instantly forces peace
>lose all my frontier outposts and planets but 1
>rage quit

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How likely do you think rogue AI will be?

>>174951972
With Sentient AI, 0%. With Synths? Probably a 50% chance if you have 4 or more synths.

Wish there was a lategame tech which allowed you to choose an additional ethic, especially because spiritualist is required for all the fun end game stuff.

Any idea for custom races? So far I have friendly pacifist starfish, military dictator reptile, fanatic spiritual elf and hive mind arthropod.

What is the ideal galaxy size 150, 400, 600, 800, 1000?

>>174952303
1000 unless you have a potato in which case turn down graphics before reverting to smaller galaxies. Even 1000 stars seem small after a while.

Is the ascendancy perk that gives you 200 fleet cap worth it? With that many ships I could easily conquer my neighbors.

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I just conquered 5 planets worth of these ugly hive rats. Should I try to mess with them and keep the planets, or just sell them off to an egalitarian/xenophile and laugh as their country dissolves into madness?

I wish that gene warriors and psi troops were treated as something more special than regular armies like titanic life forms. It feels silly to have whole armies made out of them not supplemented by anything else.

So im a bit bored and running my game in the backround observer mode 1000 elipse galaxy with max possible empires to see what the AI does and how long time takes to pass. The first hour has gone by and 50 years just about have past and there are now 34 empires not sure how that happened but whatever. Also starfish alieums are defiently the strongest right now.

>>174952454
I have have a pretty powerful rig, and even I get some performance issues endgame on a 1000 star map. 3x speed becomes impossible.

>>174952628
I thought that once separated from the hive mind they all self purged?

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>See that one of my mines has less than average production
>It's because the citizen is in an unhappy faction
>faction is upset because they want the caste system
>Implement the caste system
>Check the pop
>Still unhappy because they're enslaved now
>No production debuff

>>174953251

No, you're supposed to put people who DON'T want caste system in the mines

Habitability only affects happiness cap, right?

Hiveminds don't give a rats ass about habitability so long as it's colonizable?

why the EVERLOPING FUCK must i pay influence to resettle ROBOTS
THEY AREN'T EVEN SENTIENT YET
THEY ARE LITERAL TRADE GOODS

>>174953809

True , but a pop in a 40% hab planet will take a long ass time to grow
even more if the planet is big due to the per pop penalty

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Hrm. +9 social research or +6 mineral.

I picked +9 social because it's easier to build mines than labs in the beginning.

Can end-game crises trigger after you've won and kept playing? Or are they disabled?

Assuming none triggered before victory, of course

Is it normal if a FE declares war on someone 55 years into a game ? Cause shit just got real.

>>174954435
Xenophobe Isolationist or Religious Fanatic? Both have huge triggers.

>>174954435
Yes it's the "muh personal space" type of FE. You'll see that a lot, the AI never learns.

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>>174925407
I just took out that big fucking pirate ship (the Old Guard)

Is there anything good I can get from it?

>>174954507
Nope. Maybe some techs like any ship.

What the fuck is wrong with bill nye these days?

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Psionic Shield = Enigmatic Shield, right?

>>174953809

Habitability is max happiness and growth speed

>>174954583
too much reddit

>>174954487
>>174954505
It's a fanatic xenophobe one. Guess the Hive Mind made a mistake and is now busy engaging in a collective pants shitting effort.

>>174954724
>(((reddit)))

>>174954583
you either die a hero or live to see yourself become a big guy

>>174951370
When will the cuckbugs stop getting BTFO?

why are vassals so fuckING WORTHLESS
YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL THEM TO DO ANYTHING AT ALL
IT'S LITERALLY JUST AN INTEGRATION BRIDGE PLUS SHITTY ATTACK AGREEMENT THAT RESULTS IN YOUR DUMBASS VASSAL THROWING MOSQUITO FLEETS AT ASS-RANDOM SYSTEMS WHOOPS I JUST TANKED YOUR WAR SCORE

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>>174954750
Militant Isolationists are fanatic xenophobes won't let anyone colonize/frontier outpost anywhere "near" their space.

The other ones are Holy Guardians who are fanatic spiritualists and will declare war on anyone who colonizes a "Holy World" or a tomb world. Holy worlds are so tempting so it's understandable that an AI would chance it.

>>174955170

I made them better

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>>174955190
>WHOOPS I JUST TANKED YOUR WAR SCORE

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How much fleet strength do I need to declare war on 1 system holy guardian FE?

>>174955190
Tributaries

ALWAYS

>>174955620
this, vassals are a fucking meme

>>174952894
It has now been 2 hours and the game is at year 2287 so the second hour only went 37 years. The number of empires is now 33 guess the AI loves liberating or something.

>>174955465
The AI always has 2 roughly 35k strength fleets. So if you can get him to split the fleets from each other figure 50k if not go for 85k. These numbers can be lowered based on tech and purposely making your ships counter theirs.

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Did I fall for the tall meme again? I need to get more energy, should I plant a frontier outpost on Pesch and get energy from Toropia and Ler Zumon.

The Red empire on the bottom right corner can't settle that world in Siuhiri but I don't want to get cucked again.

Can I survive just on outposts and mining stations?

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OH SHIT LADS OH SHIT OH FUCK
about how much FP am I gonna need to crack this open?

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>>174925407
>mfw discovered the automated juggernaut

How do I kill this nigga?

>>174956004
You shoot it until it dies
Ask Science Enclaves how your current fleet would fare against it to give yourself an idea of how much stronger you need to be before you tackle it

>>174955954

I probably can't, because he's got only 1 system

>>174952595
Bump.

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>>174925407
Ok I assraped Unbidden and currently finishing off 2 AE,

Is there anything else can happen that pose a challenge or it just gonna be 50 years of seal clubbing to win the game? Should I just restart?

>>174956197
Enable the multiple crisis mod, it works in savegames. After the Unbidden died almost instantly in my game, I switched it on and the swarm attacked after a few decades.

Though they turned up, dueled with one shit AI fleet then vanished.