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Old >>173274596
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Which one of you flatfoots is gonna fall for the snek meme and other shit blood decks today?
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Uhh? Shadowtards ?
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http://www.strawpoll.me/12678037

http://www.strawpoll.me/12678043
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>>173297734
45740
concede please
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How much of a old hag is Eris?

Is her womb barren yet?
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I would rather face 70% daria and roach meta than 70% dragon where other guy just has 60k vial deck and plays 30 heal in the deck with 12 aoe removals and banish and at 10 pp before im at 6.
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>>173297872
Yes, hearthbab?
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Havencucks are so pathetic they bring Aegis into unranked.
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I still hate fighting Rune more than the other classes.
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>>173297949
kys aggro scum
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Post elf
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>>173297967
pls no bully i use aegis for haven dailies
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need a concede for daily

25662

thanks!
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>>173297941
No. She's actually super lewd and dying to get fucked hard, but she represses it due to her background in the church. Her split personality and the entire plot of the game occurred because she really needs to get laid and preferably bred.
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reminder that this is okay according to cygames
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Are communities for card games usually just whiny or is it just SV (and HS because there's lots of shitters from there moving here)? I think /dng/ pretty much embraces the meta, what about MtG?
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>>173297941
why do people call eris a hag when trampy exists?
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>>173298012
You have to play aggro or "midrange" to even remotely have a chance vs dragon. Theres no counterplay. They should get destroyed by a true aggro deck without god draw, but they still fucking have respectable winrate vs all aggro due to how safe they are with wards and heal and removal. Thats not how ramp is supposed to be. You cant even play anything other than haven or dragon for control right now.
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>>173298015
One for one.

>>173298124
I think SV is worse. There are a ton of complaints I see in these generals that are obviously only being said because the poster has never played a CCG before SV. Even HS had more knowledgable players, though they were deluded by being fanboys.
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>>173298015
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>>173298114
Yes, Themis is retarded but as you can see there, you can overcome it.
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>>173298280
brave and huge tits
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please help my terrible deck

should I try substituting more neutrals for, to help Avant Blader draw Gaywain on turn 6?

More 2 drops, and hard removal?
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>>173298280
Too bad Sukuna is completely useless.
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>>173298280
I'm still mad. Neither the card, nor the voice acting are good. Fucking complete waste of such a qt.
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Match ID 43377
Concede please, I need it for a daily.
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>>173298230
Just Themis/Ritual/Lion/Grimnir bro.
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>>173298114

Seems fair to me.
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>>173298124

All of the big generals are whiny. Look at LoL and Dota's general, there is little difference.
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>>173298124
MtG people complain about the devs being fucking idiots constantly but when it comes to actually knuckling down and playing the meta they're not that bitchy, complaints are usually reserved for ban announcements
complaining about the game itself, and the cards themselves, that's mostly a hearthstone cancer, exhibited exclusively by hearthfugees
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>>173298114
Next expansion hagfag gets themis mk2. Problem solved.
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Post me the most meme-worthy Commander Sword deck.
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>>173298015
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concede please
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>>173298114
THEMIS IT BRO
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>>173298114
Haven is the inferior control class now. If you were playing against dragon it would be different.
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>>173298341

those breast straps are so lewd
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>>173298114
when is haven getting lightning blast
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>>173298350
what are you trying to do here?
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who /on tilt/ here??
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>>173298605

I just want Gawain+Leonidas memes, to be honest family.
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>>173298114
>Not playing Seraph on turn 8

Congratulations. You fought a total noob.
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>>173298402

Seems like there's usually an inverse relationship between cuteness and viability.
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>stuck at 49k points
>get blocked by legions of dragons
Daria was never this bad
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>>173298630
/not me/
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>darianigger can still be dropped on turn 4
>without levi

Rune is dead guys :^)
Dont play it
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>>173298682
What the cuck?
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>>173298630
Play chemo and punish the shadowshitters, watching them concede on t5 when you lion the rest of their board away feels fantastic.
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>>173298651
well if you want a shit deck then you already have one
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>>173298630
Just play Aegis bro, I just have to think like 1 or 2 turns every game. the rest of them are played in auto.
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>>173298341
>that
>huge
sausage normalfagverse
they look cute tho
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>>173298651
>I just want Gawain+Leonidas memes, to be honest family.

Lots of people have tried this.

It's shit, even by meme standards.
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>>173298510
Thank you Eris
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>>173298403
Is this from an artbook or something?
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Someone stop this madness before it actually reaches 60%.
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>>173298350
I don't know what you're trying to achieve with this deck, seems like a Gawain deck. You're missing a lot of the staple cards that Sword likes to run, like Alwida/Jeno/whole swing/Albert x3. Gawain/Commander decks might have to skip out on some of them to work, who knows.
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>>173298828
No problem, Chen.
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>>173298837
I kind of miss the old meta
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>>173298715

What's her story?

Why does she munch the bread?
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>>173298630
If im doing awful I just try to gain back my lost point and then close the game and fap
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>>173297941
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>>173298829
No idea.
By the way, I don't mean to be rude, but I'm still waiting on a concede. Is /svg/ dead?
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>>173298756
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>>173298837
>midrange has a higher win% than aggro
Why does everyone complain about aggro?
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>>173298924
>Is /svg/ dead?
without the hearthshitters shadowverse is about as popular as it was back in /mbg/ days, and all the hearthshitters are playing un'goro right now
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>get hit by 2 Scriptures, 2 Themis, ALS and Cudgel
>still win
You guys weren't kidding about mid Shadow. Also, does Goblin Princess have a place in the deck?
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>>173298891
Fuck Rune. 40% winrate is all you deserve.
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>>173298924
I can give you one after this match if you still need it by then
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>>173298837

Midrange sword is still good
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>>173298630
>trying to grind out 200 wins with sword for the pack
>every game is either a dragonfag healing for a billion or a shadowfag pulling a 9/9 reaper out of their ass despite the fact that i kept their board completely clean until turn 5
fuck this gay meta
I've started just roping shadow because their bullshit is literally impossible to win against without aoe to instantly nuke reapers.
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>>173298891
>forest need thinking
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>>173298837
>self reported winrates

fuck off with this trash. anyone in masters knows fucking dragon is higher than 50% winrate and shadow isnt that high. fucking trash reporting wins vs joke decks at bottom of the barrel dont fucking count.
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So are there any decent Sword lists right now?

I need something for my dailies, but the old Mid Sword seems to be having trouble and frogs are prone to bricking.
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>>173298924
I got you, bro.
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31046

Concede anyone?
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>>173298968
Aggro is the more popular deck so they'll encounter it more often.
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>>173299060
>fuck this gay meta
>I've started just roping shadow because their bullshit is literally impossible to win against without aoe to instantly nuke reapers.

T. Assblasted Runeshitter
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>>173298968
it probably doesn't count as a win for midrange unless hector comes into play, so if they lose before that it counts as aggro.
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>>173299060
>their bullshit is literally impossible to win against without aoe to instantly nuke reapers.
See
>>173298114
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>meme dealer deck absolutely destroys ramp dragon

RIP all those who vialed him.
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>>173299060
>doesnt play pepe
>loses
>complains
Yeah anon those reapers sure are though compared to say 10/14 actually unkillable pepes
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>>173298574
saggy tits!

>>173298701
albert is the cutest!
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>>173299120
Thanks, I love lolis too.
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>>173299107
Here's your Masters stats lmao.
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>>173299196
>meme dealer deck

How does that work? Is snakes the win condition? Or a bunch of storm followers?
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>>173298837
>just wait for the mettle to settle, /svg/ said
>shadow's winrates didn't go down
>they went UP
>mfw
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>>173299162
>shadowtards are literally too braindead to read a 4 line post
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>DRAGON IS CANCER IN THIS EXPANSION!
>NERF SIBYL, OURO, ZELL, GRIMNIR EVEN IF HE'S NEUTRAL!
>Turns out shadow is dominating shit ezpz

So 2 months of aggro and mid shadow until nerf?
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need help with private match achievment
36702
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>>173299173
Needs to be an option to drain shadows from the opponent. As of now the only way to actually deal with a big board from shadow without just making it easier for them to win with Eachtar/ghosts is lightning breath, exclusive to one class. Shadow is too punishing, it's an aggro deck where you're punished for board controlling them.
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>>173299167
aggro uses hector too

midrange cards it's mostly thane and death's breath
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>>173299173
This should scare everyone, look at how many board clears we got because of Otohime. Imagine how strong they'll end up being next expansion.
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>>173299234
>those
>saggy
Leave the house more.
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>>173299297
Thanks!
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>>173299251
Ramp dragon pretty much autoloses if you curve into t2 drop -> t3 devil of vengeance ->t4 belphegor/souldealer
Those followers are just too bulky to be removed/can smash easily through rahab/grimnir. And after that you just kill him with dark generals.
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>>173299235
Patrician taste, my dude.
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>>173298891
Truth
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AHHAHAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHHA
"LUNA IS DEAD AND WILL HAVE 0% PLAYRATE IN TOG", /SVG/ SAID
LOOK WHO'S LAUGHING NOW BWHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH
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>>173299136
can i get concede too?
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Fuck I just wasted half my vials on sneks. This deck is so shit. FUUUCCCCKK.

I should've just finished aggro shadow or ramp. Guess I'm stuck with Aegis for another half a month or more.
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>>173299360
>inb4 everybody getting banish board clear next expansion
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>>173299506
You should know by now to never trust /svg/.
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>>173299136
Thanks
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>>173297865
I've pulled two soul dealers out of packs these past few days.
Shadowverse has spoken!
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>>173299136
>>173299510
thanks brah
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https://youtu.be/2LZgLgVQ_do

Blood beating dragon with its own 13/13 storm. How do you feel now dragoncuck?
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Hear The Dragon's Roar!
1pp spell
Transform your leader into a dragon

Thoughts? Could this card save Dragoncraft?
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>>173297865
>>173299519
it really happened
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Who was the retard that came up with this variant? Cutting Conscription was a terrible idea.

Im currently 1-12 with this list
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>>173299465
Oh okay. I was wondering why these blood players started using Devil of Vengeance. They don't do that well against aggro shadow though, that's for sure. I have yet to lose to one.
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>>173299291
Hope you enjoy SHADOWverse, anon.
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Guys... hearthstone looks pretty fun now...
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>ramp dragon
>literally infinite value every draw

Why is this allowed
Not a single other craft can do this
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Oy vey.
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>>173299762
You know what to do.

>>173288087
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>>173299762
Dont forget that Hearthstone requires you to take out a loan to keep up now.
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>>173299658
What's the generic pepe list?
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>go dragon for daily
>absolutely destroyed by a tumorcancer
uuh shadowbabs?
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>>173299738
>make blood moon so blood players won't die as they vengeance
>ignore it anyway so they can go full suicide with Belph and Memedealer

Mask is the redeeming shit with this expansion for blood.


>>173300013
Just storm ramp bro
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will midrange shadow go down in history as the strongest deck in the history of shadowverse? i've never seen these kinds of winrates in any card game, not even daria had these winrates.
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>>173299658
i'm pretty sure cutting conscription isn't the reason that list sucks ass, pal
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>>173299196
I've played that deck a lot recently and Ramp Dragon actually sucks unless you get a real good curve. The deck has no removal in it because it's so focused on getting into vengeance and damage, so if they put out Bahamut, Israfil, etc. and you're not close to lethal you basically lose.
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>>173299658

The problem with this list is that it has Pepo
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>>173300061
what the fuck does it mean by "lamp"?
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>>173299806
>shadow is cancer
>has board BANISHMENT for 7 turns in a row
>wins with seraph by default
>shadow is the one that is cancer though
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>No free packs from Gawain fix
>Phoenix Roost still broken

If Phoenix Roost gets fixed and we don't anything would it be fair to assume Cygames finally went full jew?
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>>173299639
Theres at least like 50 guys each thread falling for it. How the fuck and why are people still crafting sneks.
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>>173300186
They gave us free packs because ranked was disabled you greedy fuck.
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>>173299395
saggy tits, saggy tits!
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>>173300180
>>shadow is the one that is cancer though
That is correct. If shadow wasn't such a malignant piece of shit in 1/2 games decks like this would never be run.
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>>173300173
Ramp
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>>173300193
Falling for Blood meme is a recurrent custom in /svg/. I remember early RoB, there wasn't a single thread without someone saying that he fell for the CBlood meme.
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>>173300061
OTK Roach was at 70% for the best players, shitters had trouble with the deck though so there were a lot of memes like pic related about it.

Shadow is just very easy to play so anyone can pick it up and have success with it since skele man generates so many shadows that you don't have to really plan things out that much.
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>Win a match with swordcraft
Guess it's time to wait 24 hours
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>>173300051
Yea. I've only seen the mask ONCE this entire expansion. IIRC that match was pretty close too. And almost no blood moons lately either. They just play Soul Dealer and Belphegor on T4 and get down to 10 health.
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>>173300193
>OH SHIT OTK ROACH BUT FOR BLOOD
>OH SHIT SHIT EZVENGEANCE
>crafts 3 sneks
>dies to themis
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Do Daria have an advantage with suicide blood?
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>>173300363
>in my entire match history of sword grinding literally every game against shadow/dragon is a loss and literally every game not against shadow/dragon is a win
>still have a losing record because shadow/dragon are 2/3rds of the games
really last words your skeletons
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>>173300378
Why would I ever play followers? They just die to DoD.
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>>173300061
They better nerf something fast. For both Dragon and Shadow. If they wait 2 months again for nerfs many players will quit.
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I still can't get over the fact that I fell for the snek meme
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>>17330033
>this roach 70% winrate meme again

Good master players have 70% winrate with most meta decks.
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>>173300378
>Not having counterplan for having sneks killed by Themis.
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>heal any damage, spam wards to stall
>aegis + test of strength
>even if you remove the amulet you still have to deal with 8-10 damage from mr. immortal plus whatever else they have on the board
>they printed a card whose only counter is in 2 classes, one being the same class that can play it
>unless you can otk them on the aegis turn you're basically fukt

is the only solution to join the commie shadow brigade
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i love eggs
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>>173300538
Dragon is harder to nerf since lelbrick and with those win rates. Plus it cost a leg to make a wallet dragon

Shadow on the other hand, it's cheap to make. At best 6 leggos?
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>>173300585
dumb hikage
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>>173300336
But control blood is good now.
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>>173300506
Maybe. The deck has so much burn with Levi, Piercing Rune, and DoD if they use it too. Blade Mage will kill you also.
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>>173300585
The snek combo deck is pretty bad, but snakes work great as an extra wincon in your normal control blood deck.
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>>173300336

>he didn't use c-blood to farm the endless tide of Dariacrafters and aggrobats

they were all free wins, anon

every single one of them
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>>173300538
>albert and sword was never touched
>b-but shadow! s-sword was supposed to be #1!! now my albert that carried me to master cannot win!
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>>173300787
It seems them albertshitters joined commie shadow anon. It's easy to craft.
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>>173300686
I wouldn't be surprised at all if they made Catacomb not buff himself. He would still be viable that way (for a deck that board floods), but not as strong in the early game.

Well, maybe it wouldn't make a huge difference for midrange decks, I dunno.
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Well, that's a shame concede if I ever saw one. Poor Forte.

We are both master and it was in ranked.
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Ive done it, after 27 hours straight of playing sword ive gotten my 3 win mission done.
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Why should I bother with new otomeme combos when it gets hit by themis anyway
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>>173300921
Otohime has been getting hit by Themis since the beginning of the game. The difference now is that Lions and Salamanders hit it now too.
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>>173300921
Why should you play anything since they'll get removed anyway.
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>>173300916
how much fucking MP do you have that the meta won't allow you to just shit 3 wins in half an hour with pepe?
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>>173300871
he'll still be insane for shadow generation. there's no reason to play minthe when the skeletons he gives you are more than enough.
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wow this general became even more shit than before
cya fags
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>>173300338
A single person success is not a good evidence, I had like close to 70% winrate with Aggro Shadow when climbing to Masters back in RoB but lots of it was because of luck/my opponent being bad or just didn't care.
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>swordfags playing victim in this meta when the #1/#2 guy laddered with sword

Can't make this shit up.

>>173300854
One hilarious thing about wagonjumpers is that they managed to make simple misplays like playing Soulsquasher without 4 shadows (With a board that can generate it).

Guess Shadow is still too hard for them.
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あぽろと結婚したい。
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>>173301123
Bye, see you back in 2 weeks after you finish being tilted with Hearthstone's new expansion.
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If haven beats shadow and dragon why is it's win rate so low?
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>>173301084
I think they fucked up with this. Minthe is already outclassed by a silver.

Cheap to play
Easy to get
Already did his job once played and shits a token upon death that another catacomb can make it shit another skeleton.

The only thing that might kill catacomb prince is cost to 5 or higher.
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>drawing ouroboros
im literally roaring, someone needs to make a rowen/wesker/ouroboros memepic
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>>173301220
あぽろは誰?
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>>173301209
>One hilarious thing about wagonjumpers is that they managed to make simple misplays like playing Soulsquasher without 4 shadows (With a board that can generate it).
>
>Guess Shadow is still too hard for them.

>he has to make up things that didn't happen (or only did in his C0 games) to pretend shadow isn't tardcraft
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>>173298114
Not our fault that this is how the craft was designed

What, we're suppose to sit there and get hit by all your ullshit while we wait for these slow amulets to countdown and give us followers that do fucking nothing when they finally get here?

I'm a storm haven main and I strongly believe that this entire craft needs to be reworked because its not fun to play or play against

Trust me no one fucking liked Aegis but hes all we have in this shit meta
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>>173301306
>banish
>did nothing, 0 shadows gained
>minthe can be played with tyrant

Minthe will never not be relevant
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>>173301061
Why live if we die anyway
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>>173301347
>implying I need to lie

Over here at Master, I have come across at least 4 of these idiots. Is it that surprising when there are those who can't deal with reapers on the same rank?
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>>173301413
>implying we aren't already dead inside.
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>>173301413
Jaden please.
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>>173301439
>hurr just themis is bro
being a master isn't impressive when you just got carried here by a retard proof deck
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>>173301538
I'm not sure what you are insinuating when I started on DE and laddered to master with Shadow.
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>>173301413
Someone has to keep the skeleton inside of you alive
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>>173301538
low effort troll
have a (You), I guess
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>>173301626
>guys aggro shadow took a ton of skill before it became retardedly op
and when did you hit master, exactly?
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I kinda feel bad. He even did the "Nothing can stop me!" emote beforehand.
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The Aegis ToS interaction is some sort of bullshit, I guess it makes sense but it's still bullshit. Did Cygames make ToS specifically for Aegis since it's the only deck that uses the amulet?
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>>173301758
>reading comprehension
>aggro shadow is the only way to go

It's funny how a single week of ToG suddenly turned Shadow into the most broken craft.
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>Prince Catacomb now only buffs all other allied followers
>Zell gives rush instead of storm
>Lightning Blast destroys instead of banishes when used at enchance (10)

There now the game is playable.
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>>173301314
あぽろを知らないのか?
彼は俺の嫁だ。

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpSWFO-epxZf1QP_aXlOmfw
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>>173301893
You forgot removing this interaction >>173301871
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>>173301889
>dodging the question
>It's funny how a single week of ToG suddenly turned Shadow into the most broken craft.
That's because new, broken shadow cards were released, dipshit.
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Meme Dealer + Cock has been doing pretty good. It feels like I'm taking enormous risks that pay off 80% of the time. Working wonders against Dragon.
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>>173299639
I've actually just made a snake deck that performs better than my aggro shadow deck. It's possible that I've just had good luck though. Keeping pressure on with drain seems to make people panic and waste their sweep cards and evolves.
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>>173301958
No one cried about Shadow at the start of ToG though.
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>>173301958
What part of of "started on DE and laddered to master" you don't get? Just because you can't get to master within 3 months doesn't mean others can't.
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>>173301871
I thought that was fucking bullshit too, played against it for the first time the other day and he throws that down turn 8 then aegis turn 9, then I really can't do anything with my minions so just throw down a bunch of minons, then he can just hit me in the face while my board is just stuck there not being able to do anything. I had a few wards but then of course he has a second tos
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Well, I just played against somebody who played Luminous Banner then Jeno, Luminous, Albert, Luminous, Luminous. I however curved so perfectly to the point I'm kind of disgusted with myself.

While getting a free evolve is nice and all, they're not particularly useful evolves.
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>>173302001
Snek Blood is good. People saying that they fell for the snek meme are bad and/or can't build it correctly. It's pretty consistent.
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>>173302173
post your snek deck
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>>173302015
Yes, they did, because it was op even then. But it didn't get disgustingly broken until people started playing it as midrange.

>>173302048
>What part of of "started on DE and laddered to master" you don't get?
The part where that doesn't actually imply it was DE when you hit master, you retard.
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Should I bother linking my mobile account to Steam?

Do you even get anything extra for that?
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>>173301871
>oh no, the way we worded Aegis means it doesn't work with Guardian Sun, how will Haven shit up the game now?
>say no more, I have an idea
And thus Test of Strength was born.
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>>173302216
you sound like a dumbass
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What should I change in my Deck?
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you brought this upon yourselves. everyone here memed about how shadow was going to be shit. you guys didn't learn from memeing about dragon. now everyone must suffer the consequences.
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>>173302216
Like I said
>reading comprehension
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>dorkte urds my ouroboros
>auto-concede
lol
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>>173302224
Free packs
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>>173301893
t. Shadow main
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>>173302256
>Shadowtard can't form an argument
shocking

>>173302293
Your words did not imply what you think they did, ESL.
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>>173302173
I second this.
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>>173302015
People were complaining about Shadow from day 1, it just got drowned out buy people complaining about Dragon.
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>tfw grail memed on another aegis haven
>dis's him for the win and he disconnects
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>>173302367
>cannot follow a lengthy sentence
>calling other ESL

>reading comprehension

Here's a last (you).
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>>173302267
Play Dragon Warrior instead of Duck.
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>>173302532
You're a retard who can't logically parse sentences and thinks they mean whatever he intended.
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>>173302173
Turn 6 do nothing and die to themis
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>>173302573
He's no mere duck.
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Every time I play ranked at night it's nonstop nut draw Dragon, Aegis and Shadow with occasional appearances from nut draw Forest and Blood. I'm only B3, this can't be happening I was supposed to be in charge here.
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So what is the current best Shadow deck, since everyone seems to be bitching about it? Haven't played in a while, was looking to get back in.
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You can tech against aggro and win
There is absolutely nothing stopping you from altering your shitty nip netdeck
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Shadowniggers need to commit mass suicide.
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>>173302598
What doesn't die to turn 6 Themis?
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>>173302675
>b3
>complaining
You haven't even begun to learn what suffering is.
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>>173302593
>my favored parse of a sentence is LOGICAL unlike your retarded intention
>*tips fedora*
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>agrs
is that the dragon talking or is it actually a >grill? im quite lost here
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>>173302715
Skeletons :^)
>>173302825
It's Sugita talking.
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>>173302825
Dragons cant speak they only roar
It is a grill (male)

see dragoon devil as well
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>>173302879
>Disaster Dragon
>Shen Long
>Fafnir

Anon...
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>>173302686
Midrange Shadow is the best but it's more expensive more than aggro, and games can take quite long because it refuses to die when it's supposed to.
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>>173302975

Got lists for both then?
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>>173302876
>It's Sugita talking.
uh i thought i was going crazy from all the roars and hearing him everywhere, so it was actually him
is it actually rowen or his lost dragon son?
>>173302879
what the fuck is that fuctoi?
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>>173302791
It literally is. Sorry you were too dumb to get into college and take a freshman logic class.
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>>173303006
Just get them from GameAI, I also netdecked from there.
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Anyone have a deck list for vengeance blood with meme dealer?
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>Open my TotG packs
>2x Zeus, Elf queen, and a ginger

>Open my Ungoro packs (no preorder)
>Hemet and Lyra

Just fucking end me fampais
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>>173297734
Hey, can I get some help with improving this list? I feel like I end up doing nothing with it for the first 2 maybe even 3 turns with it. To the point, I'm forced to drop a lone prince catacombs in an empty board on T3.

Offscreen is 1 more Thane.
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>>173302715
Very few things, but that wasn't my point.
Snek is your win condition, you summon it and it immediately gets killed by themis. Not to mention you just spent the previous 5 turns doing nothing to set up for that card.
Being themised therefore impacts you far more than ordinary decks, as it wipes out 6 turns of effort on your part on a single turn.
30% of ladder is made up of haven players right now, so great deck you got there.
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Concede please

64695
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>>173298136
Those carrot teeth are so unsettling.
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>>173300703
Better, but I wouldn't say it's good in a world where Chaven, Rdragon, Csword and Dshift exists
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>>173303204
>4 legendaries in 10 packs
What's the issue?
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>>173303336
It was ~50, 11 free ones plus 4k rupies.
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>>173303272
Thank you a lot, my twin.
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>>173303218
>2x Spartoi Soldier
Why the hell are you running these and not Bone Chimeras. You also really don't need the 3x Grimnir, just 1 or even 0 should be fine as getting to 10 is nowhere near your gameplan.

The reason you're doing nothing for the first 3 turns is because you're not running 2-drops you want to drop on 2. You need an extra playset or 2 of another set of 2-drops in there. Unica, Lyrial, Sergeant, Mummy, whatever. Also you might even consider running more 1-drops despite being midrange since they help set up Catacomb turns more easily.
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>>173303218
Drop Grimnir for Lyrial/Sexton/Conjurer if you feel you need more 2 drops.
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>>173298891
>master plays meme classes running nobody

wow, it's true
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>tfw you pull off a meme of a lifetime
Atomeme can go fuck himself though. Never draw him when i have 4 followers on board
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>>173303465
>>173303469
Does this look better? Offscreen are the thanes
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>>173303691
>sexton
lol
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>>173303691
>only three 1 drops
Copy this deck, 20 winstreak in Masters.
http://game-ai.jp/28998/
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>>173303465
>you dont need 3x the best card of the expansion
wew
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>>173303691
Don't play Sexton unless you are struggling hard against Haven.
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>>173303807
>spartoi soldier
>1x goblin princess
>3x uguusquasher
this almost looks worst than his variation
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>every time satancat plays white wolf
HAKUROOOOOOO
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>haven plays ToS on top of his aegis
>hit him in the face with my aegis
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>>173303658
*banishes your entire board*

heh, nothing personal kid
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>>173298891
>seems retarded haven dumb concede
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>>173303916
Results speak for themselves.
Uguusquasher is really good, especially compared to a worthless card like Sexman.
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>>173300180
Sometimes control just has all the answers,

feelsbadman
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>>173303985
Do NOT bully papa Mordecai!
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Why are cygames stealing cards now?
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>>173303916
>he actually thinks soldier and squasher are bad

D0?
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Is midnight haunt+PtP a good meme?
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Zell needs to be removed. And I'm a Dragonfag
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>>173303752
>>173303807
>>173303857
Alright, is this better? Any other points?
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So I opened twin Dark Jeannes, what should I do with em? Go full bluebeard and play tentacles dudes?
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>>173304137
>need a follower on board first
>extremely specific one
>still cannot attack that turn with that 1 follower
Compared to:
>hurr i play forte and another forte while my opponent is at6pp
>durr lightning blast with 0 consequences
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Goodnight elfkin
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>>173304175
squasher wont save you from frog and the big shit it hits wont stop coming either, soldier feels like such a pointless addition if you're not facing a fuckton of aggro
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I enjoy bullying daily grinders in unranked with D-Shift while literally masturbating. Do you?
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>>173304335
Good night!
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>>173304397
Squasher single handedly wins the T4-6 evo wars
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>>173303292
>Dshift
Black death mask

>haven
What can they do vs constant storm to their face starting from turn 7?
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>>173304397
>squasher wont save you from frog
Frog isn't a threat.
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>>173304397
>aggro shadow being meta
>not facing a lot of them
>actually using a fucking meme deck to argue

Is this why you shitters are shitters?
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>>173304397
>not facing a fuckton of aggro
Where do you think we are?
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>>173304335
Arisa "lost" her heart to me and now she's waiting for me in bed.
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>>173304240
Soul conversion is useless. Put in 2x 1pp Skeletons.
Get rid of the corpses and add in Mummy.
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>>173304519
>using a meme deck to argue
I haven't defended any deck my dude, my whole point was about specific cards, nobody mentioned decks.
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>vs aggro
>never fucking draw a ward
>vs Haven
>draw every ward in the deck
Oh fuck off.
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>>173304397
>actually mentions the frog as a concern

t. Z0
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>>173304575
What card is frog played in besides the deck based around frog? Functionally they're the same.
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give me some weird-ass cheap rune deck to play
>>
Jururi~
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>>173304681
Secret Concede Lucifer
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>>173304681
You can play a good cheap deck with just 3 Dshift and Levi.
Otherwise there's this, which is actually higher cost for a lesser effect.
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That Mastema blood deck any good?
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>>173304808
only if you're running into nothing but Aegis

otherwise just play suicide blood/azazel otk with the cards instead
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>>173304808
Mastema cucks test of strength decks and aegis pretty hard
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What's the best Aegis deck right now? I think mine is shit after all.
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I want to make an edgy havencraft deck, but I ran out of evil cards.
What else should I fill my deck up with?
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Need concede pls 99768
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>>173305105
Themis
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>reach turn 6
>take 13 face damage from Dragon and lose
>reach turn 8
>auto-lose from 20 Life from D-Shift

Is mobile really killing this game? What's the point of playing a non-aggro deck at all? Why play any other way when you just auto-lose before the game even begins to decks that instantly win after a few turns if you haven't killed them already? My desire to keep playing is dwindling much faster than I ever thought it would.
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>>173305105
There's a legit good spell that heals you and draws cards for destroying one of your minions.
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>>173304749
Just about everything about this makes no sense
>hair extensions coming out of the crown(?)
>2nd arm missing
>sitting on the edge of the throne which is already at the edge of a fucking staircase
>oversized boots that dont slip off
>fapping arm
>dress just floats about as if she isnt even sitting
>birds are souls(?)

Direct me to whoever designed this monstrosity
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is this good enough for fresh account /svg/?
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>>173305214
C'mon, shadow is worse.
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>>173305214
>What's the point of playing a non-aggro deck at all?
In case you want to play a class other than shadow or meme blood.
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>>173304794
looks good, im only missing a couple but nothing too big, whats the card at the left of scrap iron smelter?
thanks
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>>173304572
Are we making aggro or midrange again?
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>>173305168
Ty very much fort!
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>>173305249
Sure. Fairy princess is pretty safe to liquefy.
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>>173305249
Most of those are being used in top decks, keep.
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>>173305234
Round 2
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>>173305249
I'd keep. Sibyl, Aegis and Eachtar are the most important legendaries in this expansion.
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>>173304972
None? Well, FCK
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>>173305253
Shadow is bullshit, but at least you don't autolose to it, and it's interactive.

You can't interact with 13 storm damage or Dshit.
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>>173305296
That card is angelic snipe. Though like I said, you can get better results with a cheaper deck with Dshift. I'm pretty sure the deck I posted is just a meme but you specifically asked for weird decks.
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Orthus nerf when?
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>>173305401
>>173305402
>>173305407
thanks anons!
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>>173305421
>>173304972
Just throw it in any deck
You win the moment you play it
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>>173305456
lol
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>>173305429
Stop trying to push an innocent player into becoming a dshitter.
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>>173305406
Is this suicide? Does she have a parachute?
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>>173305429
dshift is awful right now, i really can't imagine aggro dirt is worse
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>>173305424
Against Shadow you don't even play. In case you even manage to survive, Phantom Howl will be there waiting for you.
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>>173305429
well i want to play with what i have, i just wanted something to use as a base since i have 0 deckbuilding skillz
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>>173305602
I disagree. I'm in AAO and doing very well, as are players in masters.
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>>173305570
She is clearly on deck
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>Have to use the meme frogman or else there's a 0% chance for sword to ever win
It hurts
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Would you be ok if Cy removes 40 Cards limit and instead make a 40-45 Window card limit??
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Smart sword player.
This shit is just unfair
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>>173305687
They could but it would be a complete waste because no competent player will play more than 40 cards.
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>>173305686
I know. I haven't won a single match with any sword deck (though I didn't use classic Alberto Sword) all day.

Really killed all my morale. This game's been powercreeped to shit so fast.
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>>173305687
What decks actually want that?
>>
What are the most likely ToG cards to get nerfed if they're going to nerf anything? Trying to decide what bronze/silvers to hold onto extras of

Catacomb?
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>>173305687
They'll probably increase defense to 30 before they do that.
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>>173305764
Tutors, shit that decks itself out. But really I doubt it would change anything.
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>>173305739
>>173305764
is not that I have a solid deck or idea on hand but im sure some decks could use a few more cards even if its mess up the RNG a little, while other decks work better with a 40 limit etc (talking from experience with Magic card Game

>>173305789
why??
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>>173305789
I can see **that** format coming.
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>>173305723
>hit face with his stormfaggotry
There is his problem
Swordfags have a really hard time realizing that there are other ways to win other than hitting only face for 9 turns and winning with evolved albert
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>>173305856
Like tarding around for 5 turns then making an unclearable board even without previous presence!
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>>173305664
>as are players in masters.
Do you have a source for that? Neither major data site has dshift breaking 43% winrate in masters, I don't see it very much on the master ladder, and when I try to play with it I certainly don't win very much
aggro shadow is just too difficult of a matchup
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>>173305931
Nah fuck that let me hit face and let him buff his skelly men by trading 1/1s
What? You mean the skelly prince would be alone on turn 3 because I actually played control for a couple of turns and had nothing to buff his reapers with?
Fuck that unga, smart too hard
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>>173305424
>interactive
>board flood into board flood into board flood into otk
>interactive
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Imagine discard dragon where the player could choose which cards to discard.
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>>173305856
You're right, it's probably a better idea to just trade with a bunch of sticky followers while two shadow reapers are on the field.

What was he thinking? There's literally nothing sword can do against that, regardless of what he did.
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>>173306050
Im actually baffled that they keep it 100% RNG when it comes to discard.

I mean, Im fine with some conditions, but even then having it 100% random somethings is a hazzle
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>>173306039
that's why they don't play it on curve and just save it to drop after two other minions, dumbass. board control does absolutely nothing to stop midrange shadow from pulling a 7/7 reaper out of their ass.
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>>173306043
Yes, it's TOTAL BULLSHIT.

I'm just saying that, unlike obscene amounts of storm, and Dshit, you can at least interact with the board.
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whats the fucking point of playing 3 of certain cards when i dont fucking draw them at all fuck you cygames
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>>173306157
>image clearly shows he played it on curve and then dropped double reaper on turn 4
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Reminder to rope all Shadow players and double their game length.
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57378

Need a concede, please.
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>>173306157
Exactly. I played Sword against Shadow, I had board control until he played Death's Breath. I could only clear 1 zombie so I developed my board. Next turn, his board is full with Reaper and buffed by Catacomb. Next turn, Eachtar. Welp.
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>>173306043
Putting things into play is interactive

At least their OTK requires something on the board to do it, unlike dshift or storm where it just comes instantly and you can't do anything to react
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>>173305761
>though I didn't use classic Alberto Sword
found your problem
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Since we're talking about Reapers, I might as well post this moment where my Haven tech won me a game. Watching Reaper grow really is fun.
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>>173306295
Thanks Vampy
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>>173306096
Anon who posted original pic here.
I went first.
>play spartoi serg
>he play kunoichi trainee (frog deck I guess)
>play catacomb
>he trades with spartoi and plays novice trooper and goes face
>I play 2 reaper and kill trooper with catacomb and skeleton

Nothing anyone can do against that, I feel so dirty. Nerf catacomb, make him 4pp
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>>173306001
I'm not master, but I watch streams of masters players and see Dshift fairly regularly. Of course I don't see them win that often though, so I can't actually talk about their winrate. But I'm doing pretty well with it in AA0.
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Does /svg/ hold tournaments?
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>>173306430
>pepecraft
Suddenly I dont care about that fag anymore. Carry on friend.
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>>173306502
Yes
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Which class is the scariest to see redraw no cards?
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>>173306719
rune
100% they have daria +insight +that fag that double boosts
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>>173306719
Rune
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>>173306719
dragon RAMP UP THOSE EGGS ROWEN
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Just bahamut bro
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>>173306716
Do you do the shitty HS style tournaments where you need to bring 3 decks? That shit is dumb and is pushed by the developers cause they want people to spend maximum bank.
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>3 months after RoB release
>Reaper is still being hated one

Funny how a bad card was this troublesome.
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>>173306719
Dragon. You just know they have some gay shit.
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>>173306826
>anon posted this seconds before he got lightning blasted
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>>173306895
He actually placed a second mammoth then Sahaquieled a Bahamut into my Oracle
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>>173306096
>>173306430
>There's literally nothing sword can do against that, regardless of what he did.
with that order of play sword could have lucked into having T2 whole-souled swing which would have slowed down the bone train substantially, and then outraced
the situation is more that both players drew relatively normal starts which means player 1 wins the aggro mirror by default and less that sword is hopeless because it happened to not draw its mirror breakers that game
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HOLD ON, so you actually have to play rouge creed and pepe in correct order otherwise he doesn't get the buff?
Are there any other card combos you have to keep on board in correct order like that?
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>>173306397
Uhhh why did you evolve sexton though?

Evolving a ghost still kills sybil, but you get to buff reaper before attacking not after, and you keep 2/2 sexton on the field...
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>>173305105
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>>173307074
Yes, which is why we don't play Rogue's creed
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>>173307082
>expecting shadow players to think
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>>173297734
DELETE
Skelly's are complex, conscious beings. Just like you and me but without the flesh and blood
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>>173307082

When I did the play, it didn't even occur to me that the ghosts wouldn't be banished with sexton on field until after I evo'd. It's not a combination, I use often, if at all. I actually would've been one-off lethal because they played fervor, but then they fucked up by placing down zell.
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>>173307082
I see idiots do stuff like this all the time with phantoms. Dumb unga player
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Can someone please concede

77343
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POST GAME LOSING MISTAKES
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>>173305784
Test of strength seems to be the obvious one.
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>>173307360
>an amulet that only see play in one deck and is easily countered with numerous cards

nah
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>>173307283
Thanks again, I got the private match quest 2 times in a row.
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>>173307304
I love when aggro-shitters get fucking greedy with their trades.

Didn't screencap it but I got a win with enchanted sword d-shift when the aggro player killed an unevolved clay golem instead of the 4/4 clay golem because he didn't want to lose his minion. Had enough damage from hand to kill him the next turn.
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What legends should I craft next to which deck? I'm pretty unsure myself so I will just take advice without throwing in my own bias. I would like to avoid forest tho, never like that craft much and the expansion didn't change the sentiment.
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>>173303807
>try this deck in AA3
>immediately lose to ramp dragon, because it's way too slow
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>>173307571
I always vote for control blood legends.

The deck is never bad and somebody will eventually figure out a T1 deck.
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>>173307453
>Execute
>Bahamut
>Lightning blast
What else realistically kills amulets? And it's not like nerfing neutral cards because of one deck is unprecedented.
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Do you think is this viable /vg/??

meme face dragon
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>>173307304
>8hp on turn 4 with full board
>but shadow is the cancer though
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>>173307748
Where the hell are your mushus.
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>>173307748
Its more JO than face
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>>173307571
craft belphegors for suicide blood
the only other srs options are sibyl/aegis and those are low energy
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Is there a counter for both ramp dragon types yet?
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>>173307802
its a little mix

>>173307796
I think masamune is better card not as a 2/2 but cause can be a 5/5 bane late game
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>>173307748
After hours of refinement
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>>173307810
Wards
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>>173307923
why no forte?
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>>173307923
fire tail lizard instead of Maelstrom??
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>>173307810
aggro shadow
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>>173308009
wont that make it more akin to Ramp at that point?? I (>>173307748) wanted to make something a little OJ pendant style but with followers (as this stupid as game still lack enough face damage card in Dragon)
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>tfw you get a Take2 ticket

Just give me a pack instead, please.
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>>173308009
I never found her :(
Eyfas should probably be replaced by her, and I need one more Salamander
Also it's my side deck, all my vials are going into Rune
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>>173307571

Craft 3 belphegor and build this
>>173299609
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>>173308137
t. shadowfag
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Some poor aggro Luna got matched up against my satanist deck
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>>173307304
I'm surprised he just didn't topdeck DoD like they ALWAYS fucking do n
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>>173308292
Why on earth would disliking having to spend an hour playing shitty Take 2s make someone a shadowfag?
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>>173308171
I never thought these shits would be so useful. Nobody ever tries to get rid of them and then when Meme Dealer happens turn 4 and they can attack immediately I sometimes get concedes.
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>>173308475
Take Two is fun, why do you hate fun?
Give me your ticket
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>>173308475
Can't do anything other than unga and the concept of making a deck is foreign to them.
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>>173308515
Meme dealer and suicide blood is only effective because it isn't played that much yet.
Once it becomes meta, then people will know how to counter it and know what they are facing against.
When I first saw Devil of Vengeance a few days ago for example, I had no idea what I was facing against and made mistakes because of that.
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>>173308590
Wouldn't shadowfags like that since you're pretty much just given a random deck to hope for the best and go face with?
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>>173308049
I used to run both, lizards have their uses but I found surprise lategame crystal-boosted maelstroms to the face a lot more useful.
The deck is mostly a joke, if you can't ramp and can't draw board clears or wards when needed it's all over.
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>play ramp
>no ramp cards in opening hand

>play midrange shadow
>opening hand full of 5's and 7's

>play aegis
>never draw aegis before turn 9

I'm on a 13 loss streak right now. You guys ever feel like you just have zero luck? I can't even switch to a fun deck because 2k masters is 80% shadow + dragon right now and any deck other than those 3 is basically auto lose
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>>173305784
These are the ones I starred in the first few days. I just added Zell, Orthrus and Zombie Party to the list yesterday which is why they're only at x3.

-Things I got wrong and don't think will be nerfed
After a week I can say that blood moon ended up not being as good as I initially thought it would be (that feel when fell for cblood meme). Even though Baphomet is ridiculous on paper for its stats, once again cblood ended up being a meme. Frozen mammoth isn't as exploitable as I thought it was going to be. Frog probably isn't good enough to nerf despite being a cheap way to win. Luminous mage still overpowered as fuck but sword isn't looking super strong right now so probably nothing will happen to it. Beetle warrior is strong as well but not really exploited since main focus is on dragon and shadow right now.

-Shit that I think still has a chance to be nerfed
Grimnir could still be nerfed because he ends up everywhere. Prince catacomb is pretty ridiculous and the ability to chain them makes it impossible to remove shadows board. Zombie party is strong 2 PP removal with optional board flood which ensures you have board flood redundancy. Orthrus is pretty damn strong as well. Something in shadow might get nerfed so I mostly looked for bronzes/silvers because they are the more likely target over golds and legendaries. Added Zell because he is a silver and easy target for a nerf as well. Any other changes they make to dragon would force them to change a gold/legendary which I don't see happening.

Test of strength is iffy, while bullshit with Aegis, in some matchups it is literally the only way haven can win with the card, and it seemed like their intention was to design this card for use with Aegis in the first place.
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>>173308738
Just ignore your rank points and meme it up anyway.

Who gives a shit? You're already in Masters.
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Aside from spear shenanigan, is this card worth putting in your deck?
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>>173308738
If I was in masters I wouldn't care about anything and would play the dankest memes all day.
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>you will never get baldy emblem
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>>173308548
I love drafting bad decks because I needed to make decisions between front lines + grand stratagem and latham + castle followed by going first 5 games in a row vs decks that play their swing 4 drop on turn 4 and then olivia or bahamut later. It's always a great use of time and very fun.

Even better when you have a deck that has 20 cards that cost 3 or less and you brick until turn 4 losing what would have been your 5th win.
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>tfw I want to play kys blood, but don't want to craft 4 Legendaries

I have the vials, but haven't played Blood seriously, ever. The closest I've come to ever using Blood is a shitty aggro deck.
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>>173308756
No Shadowcraft cards will get nerfed because Cygames want shadow to be top as per said in the interview.
In fact only cards outside of Dragon, Haven and Shadow will get nerfed and nothing else.
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>>173308342
>Pegasus knight stealing children
>forbidden ritual
>black scripture
>eidolon of fucking madness
>dark priest
>soul collector
>main craft running satan in satan sun
>all important angels are actually neutral and not haven

Is Heaven confirmed as the most evil craft?
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>>173308890
There's a reason for that. Aggro is all blood is good for. Don't craft anything for slow decks.
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>>173308781
>>173308824

meme decks are not fun right now shadow and dragon will destroy you before you can even play your memes

0% win rate isn't fun no matter how enjoyable your meme deck is
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>>173308812

Some shadow players like her as a 5-drop.
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>>173308812
I've been trying it out with conventional Aggro Blood, but meh. I think it works better with Shadow?
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>>173308812
I like it in midshadow
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TLDR about Hearthstone release

>Specific of release for NA, Europe or Asia not revealed keeping consumers in the dark and waiting

>After it finally goes live on an arbitrary hour, servers start to lag, crash and you can't log in at all if you're not from central US

>People expecting the game to slow down are dissapointed because it SPEED UP AGAIN and aggro continues being king

>Dust seetled, leddit found out that PACKS ARE BUGGED

>AGAIN

Why Blizzard, a multi national billonarie company fucks up so much compared to Cygames? A national company that it's nothing outside of their own country?
>>
What are the pros and cons of registering for the NGE shadowverse open shit? I vaguely feel like I should, if only to do something with all the time I put into this dumb game, but it feels like a big hassle
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>>173308940
Look closer at pegasus knight's art

>>173308914
>Shadow and Dragon finally get their expansion
>Blood is still tier 2 at best with only aggro really being viable for the 4th expansion in a row
I just want to play a slower blood deck for once. Midrange blood is basically aggro with a couple cards swapped out, mostly the expensive cards from aggro blood.

>>173309058
Don't forget there's a 4 mana OTK now (which admittedly is a bug)
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>>173308958
I know how it is. I've always played Control and "true" midrange Sword. My winrate was literally 0% today until I played a few games with Meme Frog and a couple of Shadowfags and Dragonfags quit once they saw Frontlines.

I thought Daria/Roach was as bad as it could get, but this meta is oppressive as shit. At least back then you could play control decks and come out on top if you did well and got a little lucky.
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>>173309116
what's the 4 mana otk?
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>>173308958
You can make memedecks that counter dragon and shadow, that is how frogcraft started in the first place (as a counter to dragon).
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>>173309058
>packs are bugged this time round

What happened now? Anub'arak packed them?

>>173309116
>4 mana OTK

wut?
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>>173309058
>packs are bugged
>mfw they dont realize its intentional
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>play unranked
>they're all totg meme sword decks
>troll them with a midrange dragon
>win every time
They rarely ever hit my face because the board is flooded with orcas and wind god.
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>full board of skellies + reaper
>elf uses will of the forest
>clears all the skellies first but reaper doesn't get buffed at all

what did cygames mean by this
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>>173309143
>>173309168
Priest has it. You play two copies of Radiant Elemental which reduces spell cost by 1 and then you play Shadow Visions which lets you copy a spell from your deck for 0 mana thanks to the radiants. You do this on a loop over and over. The animation goes so long that your opponent loses their next turn. Repeat until they're dead from chip damage off the elementals.
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>>173308958
Frogcraft is a meme deck whose entire purpose is to fuck dragon in the ass, which it does reliably but it has poor matchups against most other classes, paticuarly haven and Shadow who can kill the frog with little trouble
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>>173309241
it means you're a loser that plays videogames
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>>173309102
You just sign up with your name, phone number and deck links at least 20 minutes before the weekly tourny, then play a few best of threes until you lose
There's zero hassle beside the shitty time frame where it takes place
I ran into really shitty players and I'm bad too, if you have anything decent you can give it a try and possibly win
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>>173309276
takes one to know one
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>>173309241
not sure exactly how the interaction works, but from your description I presume it's like hearthstone, all damage is assigned and resolved before any death triggers occur, at which point reaper is already dead and its static ability does nothing
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so um i litreally played nothing and i still got shifted at turn 9? fuck cygames man
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>>173309325
Maybe you should have played something, then
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>>173309320
it just feels strange because its separate instances of 1 damage
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>>173309241
Shadow Reaper is a blind fuck who doesn't realize his buddies are dying around him until the spell finishes. It's what he gets by staying in the smoke all the time.
Slightly related though, if Israfil kills some stuff with her effect while attacking the Reaper, he'll get buffed before her attack lands.
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>>173309390
yeah I had this happen earlier, mfw it buffed it up to 9 damage so the saha'd israfil died
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So, this what Nep shits looks like these days.
https://my.mixtape.moe/yjdxym.mp4
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>Take Two as Shadowcraft
>First game; Forfeit because 4 turns of no plays
>Second: Lost one turn before I could win
>Third: Won with Odin and Israphil, sadly had to BM the other guy
>Connection time out several times after

BM doesn't count as a win, right? Because it doesn't feel good.
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>>173309325
I had my opponent down to 4 life while I had 20 while playing Aggro Sword (even got direct hits with Albert and Alwida's), had a full field with 2 wards, and he still killed me on turn 8 with 2 D-Shifts and 3 Destroyers.

Why that deck has been allowed to live this long is beyond me.
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>>173309464
>"""aggro""" sword
>opponent is still alive on turn 8 with that many dead cards in hand
play a real aggro deck like shadow or blood and this won't happen to you
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>>173309168
>>173309219
TLDR about bugged packs

>Similar bug as the one that happened in the last expansion
>Certain cards have a higher % of being pulled than others
>Also the % of pulling duplicates of cards increases if you already have a copy of any card on your collection
>i.e. you pulled Marsh Queen your % of pulling Marsh Queen again will increase the fuck up
>several videos and screenshots in the thread
>certain common cards with +10 copies meanwhile other commons are hard as fuck to pull
>Blizzard is actually DELETING the posts about it in the official forums


https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/63xgsj/no_joke_blizzard_actively_censoring_discussion_of/
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>>173309449
>prince catacomb
>nep
????
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>>173309241
the game dont follow Stack (newer spell/ effect gets priority over older ones) but prioritize finishing the older spells full effect before next effects trigger.

its basically spaguetti code
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>>173309464
I died to Dshift 20 seconds after this screenshot was taken. This was the game that solidified how much I hate Dshift.
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What made Meme Dealer so strong? The deck is made up of mostly old cards.
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where were you when dragon became cancer
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>>173308812
Not really. 5 PP 4/5 worth of stats isn't amazing in this day and age.
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>>173309579
Belphegor adds consistency to turn 4 Vengeance.
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>>173309589
Playing my discardOTK dragon that I love so much
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>>173309517
Probably something to trick people to think his deck is aggro or uses phantom howl.
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>>173308812
That is definitely fear masked by a smile. Is she really a goblin breeding slave?
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>>173309298
that's what you said to your mom
>>
does the meta storm/ramp dragon have a counter?
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>>173309671
>She grows up (evolves) into a scantily clad smug mistress queen
Yeah, she's a breeding sow who worked up the ranks.
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>>173309579
"""strong"""
It's going to be tier 3 within the next two weeks.
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>>173309579
Dark Airjammer. The pressure it puts out on turn 5 is too much for a lot of decks to deal with.
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Could I please have a concede
71224
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>>173309372
IIRC it doesn't clean kill things like bone chimera or catacombed followers for the same reason, it isn't actually 1 at a time and it doesn't give room for last words to trigger, so speaking as an occasional forest player it's a bit of a wash that it's capable of clean killing shadow reaper
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>>173309691
THE DRAGON FEARS THE FROG
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>>173309678
smell ya later kid
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>>173309691
Pepe and Aggro Shadow.
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>>173309515
This must be why I pulled 2 Israfils in 3 packs of ToG
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>>173309127
Control decks don't work now because of how ridiculous Dragon and Aegis are. Aggro Shadow is still manageable if you can disrupt their early game and ward up later on, but Mid Shadow is a lost cause unless they brick hard and you can hit them really hard in the face early.
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>>173309058
>People expecting the game to slow down are dissapointed because it SPEED UP AGAIN
Well, we have one thing in common.
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>>173309736
Yeah once people start removing Devil of Vengeance Turn 3.
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>>173309579
Dark Airjammer and Spiderweb Imp are the biggest ones, in my opinion. I don't think that deck would be a thing f it couldn't flood with wards like that.
Belphegor is good for making sure it doesn't run out of steam, and being another overstatted body for her cost.
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>>173309449
>fucks himself over with the lurching corpse getting sac'd on the last Nep

Live by the RNG, die by the RNG
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>>173309517
Garuda = Elana sort of thing.
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>>173309761
Thanks luna
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>get into haven mirror
>go second and never draw my aegis
>go against snakes
>2 aegis on turn 3 in hand
why are you hurting me, game
>>
>Play against someone using something like Aggro Bats in Take Two
>Play an Owlcat
>They forfeit

OWLCAT #1! #1!
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>>173309818
Not so much Kawaii anymore, huh?
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>>173309058
If you look into Cygames' history, their fuck ups are much harder and are actually bigger jews than Blizzard.
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>>173309852
>more people play the game than watch it
>other way around for HS, nobody wants to play that shit and they just laugh at retards that get fucked by RNG
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SWOLE
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For frog deck, is running Front Lines x3 and Well of Destiny x3 overkill?
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Why the fuck does Thane give a 0PP 4/5 bane ward? Seriously, what the fuck?
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>>173309785
Indeed, even though I also play Haven, I strongly dislike Aegis's design from just about every angle.

Like Dshift, it puts a timer on the game. It's not nearly as consistent or potent as Dshift, but for the most part, after Aegis is dropped, someone is going to lose within a couple of turns. At the very least Aegis is a turn 9 "do nothing" that has a few counters (Durandal, Kaguya) and doesn't guarantee a win once it comes out. In the end, it's a doubly shitty card because it limits Havencraft forever now and it also sucks in the current meta.
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>>173309852
why the FUCK don't more people stream shadowverse
there's like a million idiots with 2 viewers trying to stream hearthstone and getting choked beneath the mountains of other literal whos, when for the same effort in SV they could draw dozens of followers just for not being total ass and grow from there
i can't believe the SV streaming market is still so underexploited
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>>173309879
Just happened;
>Guy plays Wise Merman
>I play Owlcat
>He attacks my Owlcat with Wise Merman
>Merman dies because of Clash
>He forfeits

The only time I get wins is through forfeits. I don't know if this is good or bad luck.
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>>173309116
>Look closer at pegasus knight's art

I meant summon pegasus. Anyway you might think he is saving them from monsters below, but just look at his face. He is clearly an evil pedo priest
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Need a concede please.
26555
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>>173309995
The weeb stigma is strong.
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>>173309939
>actually posting a picture of you beating someone using featherwyrm's descent

Are all the frog players literally D0 and that's why they think that garbage is good?
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>>173309779
>discordfag
Gross
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>>173309767
>uses "kid"

lel why am I not surprised
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>>173310014
Send that to Cygames
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>>173310014
>>173309852
How can us shadowbabs even compete?
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>>173309879
>>173310001

>when one owlcat was able to attack an opponent three times because he was too busy dealing with other stuffs

Must be humiliating to be punched off a quarter by a meme beast.
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>>173309764
>he has never heard of dragonewt fist
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>>173310026
Thank you Israfil-sama.
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>>173309995
I don't know about Hearthstone, but there's not much variety with Shadowverse, especially right now. There's really only 2 truly viable decks crafts, and nearly every deck looks alike.

Meme decks have a nearly 0% of winning, so the person has to be incredibly charismatic and interesting in order to make it watchable. It's easier just to cherry pick some nice wins and upload them to jewtube.

Also, it's Cygames fault for forcing it to remain "mobile friendly." they limit the game on purpose which kills variety, and any chance it has of being fun to watch.
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>>173310159
It's such a fucking dumb card, yet I love it because it's so bullshit.
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>>173309754
>>173309812

Yeah I can definitely feel it.
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>>173310227
It'd be cool if it instantly destroyed any card it clashed with that has less attack than it.

I'm sure people would make some great memes with that.
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>>173309968
Bane?
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Playing blood feels so fucking bad right now.

Anyone got a decent list?
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>me as luna vs erika in t2
>facing a 5/2 hamsa at 14 hp
>9pp
>you have breathed your last x3
>must be alberto
>use last evolve to kill hamsa
>have empty board
>skynights!
>counter with hungry insect sounds
>1/3 chance - based hornet appears
>a few turns later
>what should I do x2
>you should come on my adventure
>I should have foreseen this

he who wins has the last emote
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>>173310160
Out of the Hundreds of dragon players I fought against as Frog, only one had it and it was disco dragon who still managed to lose.
Besides smart pepe players can play around it just like we play around Orthrus
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>>173309958
what else are you going to put in your frog deck, y'know? the game isn't exactly flush with cards that are good for pushing uninteractive damage
the netdeck I use is on 3 front lines 0 well of destiny, presumably because its author thought adding palace/fencer to enable a plan B of conventional aggro was a better idea, but if you have a more normal list I can't imagine what you put in over it
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>>173310067
I was only on Discrd to ask for a concede

fucking paranoid shit
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>>173309995
No demand for it.
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Where do Japanese players normally stream?
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>>173310065

Not only pepe players do this. Bunch of fags post these boring screens of them winning.

>hahah top deck howl get fucked haven

>haha top deck win

>haha this idiot wasted his board clear 1 turn before and now i get to flood the board again even though he actually needed to clear it last turn

>very common lethal plays images

>haha dragon bricked, get fucked dragon

>haha this other craft bricked, get fucked

>luna with no board, reminder to bully luna

>screens of them winning against obvious bad players


At least post spicy wins or funny shit guys. Not things you commonly see or already do.
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>>173310368
youtube i suppose
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>>173310368
niconico, openrec and youtube

http://live.shadowlog.com/
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>>173310368
http://live.shadowlog.com/
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Post insta-lose hands.
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>>173310289
Will he die if I remove the cost reduction?
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>>173309116
Control blood is viable now. Check out yushi's blood deck which 100% pulls wards with airjammer.
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>>173310441
delete this
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>>173310358
>muuuhhh damage control

kys
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>>173310441
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>>173310441
>insta lose
>draw fervor and hand is amazing
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>>173310390
Is this spicy enough?
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>>173310390
Just mompost them
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>>173310514
Lol holy shit, yes thats very spicy.
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>>173310514
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>>173310471
What's the win con, just snakes? Control Blood's problem has never been making it to late game, the problem with slower blood decks is that there's no reward for getting there.
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>>173310471
Got a link?
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>>173310514
Kill me before it's too late
>the effects aren't triggered
heh
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>>173310390
>reddit spacing
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>>173310471
i doubt it can beat dragon or aegis
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>>173310471
Got a link?
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>>173310514
This is why I want Ginger
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>>173310514
Did you win?
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>>173310514
UNLIMITED POWAH
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>>173310336
Suicide control blood
https://youtu.be/2LZgLgVQ_do
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>>173310641
I had already played D-Shit that turn before taking the screen.
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>runetard roping

looks like the cancers on the other foot now kiddo
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>>173310685
>he played dshift
Holy shit
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I'm a scary vampire, grrr...
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>Sukuna brave and >small
>Huge knockers
Umm shadowbabs?
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>>173310689
I sincerely hope you roped him back.
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>>173310514
Reminds me of the gif of the dragon player that played 2 mushushus with Reina and a full board only to get bahamuted.
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>this is fine and balanced
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>>173310689
Nobody likes you, Luna
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>>173310751
of course
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>>173310573
Laura giving storm to servant of darkness gotten from call of cuckcold, or storm airjammer, belphegor, meme dealer.
>>173310574
>>173310605
>>173310626
Here
>>173310682
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>>173310685
>dshift with a hand like that
What the fuck, how? Everytime I try to meme by doing something like Flame and Glass, I end up not shifting quick enough of shifting with no fuel for lethal.
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>>173310390
hows this
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>>173310745
she is small non-evolved
the rat is small evolved
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>>173310745
It's not referring to his boobs.
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>>173310685
>dshift
>when you have 6 followers in hand

I don't believe you.
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>>173310689
nobodies like you lunapedo
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>>173310859
W-who won this?
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>>173310834
Thats why we love her
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Its really a hit and miss but its incredible fun meme deck

https://youtu.be/UJGMob9tffY
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>>173310921
Some jp streamer was trying geiger dshift and was losing a lot but managed to get it off once after 7 games. You just need the god draw.
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>>173310968
If both players take lethal damage simultaneously, the person whose turn it was loses. Flame rat activates on the owner's turn, so Rune won.
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I suspect there is a bug with their pack.
I am supposed to have 1 leg every 10 packs.

The last 20 packs I did gave me none.
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>>173310968
owner of the triggering flamerat loses, apparently
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>>173310831
>only needs one meme dealer
I already have 3 Queen Vampire, might be able to facilitate this particular meme.
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>>173310968
There is no draw in SV. If a draw should happen, the player who can play loses. Since the rats trigger on the opponent's turn, anon won.
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>>173310785
Atomammoth is the most inconstent shit ever but when it works it hurts like a bitch.
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>>173311064
There's no pity timer in Shadowverse. You aren't guaranteed a legendary after X amount of packs. You got unlucky, you have to live with it.
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>>173311064
It's 1.5% of a card being a legendary, you might have been unlucky. I doubt there is a pity timer.
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>>173310859
I cant stop laughing at this
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>>173311115
8 cards per packs, so 12% to have one legendary per pack.
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>tech in angelic barrage
>completely destroy shadow's skele combo
>he drops zombies 2 times and windgod
>barely survive
>he drops eachtar
Do they need 2 months like with daria and gobu roach to fix that shit?
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>>173310834
delet
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>>173311192
Mutagenic Bolt deaths are one of the most humiliating out there. Having your own followers kill you and being unable to get rid of them sometimes is pretty infuriating.
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>>173310682
Is this the same dude that had the big Forest win streak?
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>>173311009
>Lightning Blasted his eggs
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>>173311204
That isn't how the math works in statistical probability.
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>>173311074
Good luck brave bloodkin. I have watched yushi played this deck. It is obvious you need to have very good understanding of the game to pilot it.
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Lightning burst shouldn't get rid of amulets, what the fuck.

Now Dragon can: ramp, heal, storm, aoe and draw all better than other classes. It's retarded.
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>>173311374
Thats why it'll be a lot more fun when they nerf it and dragon goes back into the shitter
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>>173311374
Sorry about that Seraph :^)
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I'm sorry I doubted you Orthrus. I can't believe a card I deemed as "rng trash" turn out to be hidden legendary for Shadow. I won so many games because of her.
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>>173311439
This is why people play Aegis only.
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>>173311335
oh you right, it's, if I remember well :

1 - (0.985 ^ 8) = 0.11388549845.
Still more than 10%
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>>173311009
That was entertaining.
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funs over, controlbros. the japs figured out forest is still t1.
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Guys I have a question about belphegor
It says "deal damage to your leader until their defense drops to 10", but does it include cards like mask of the black death? Like, if you have 20 health, is it going to destroy the amulet and then deal damage to your leader until its 10, or is it only going to destroy the amulet and get your leader to 15, since it was supposed to take 10 damage but 5 have been absorbed by the mask?
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>>173311009
Why are people playing Eggs now? Weren't they supposed to be a meme?
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>>173311575
Which forest deck.
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>>173311581
Mask blocks it fully
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>>173311581
If you play Belpf with mask on board and 20hp you take no dmg at all and mask is destroyed
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>>173311581
It's not going to touch your leader at all, Mask eats the entire thing.
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>>173311704
>>173311696
>>173311717
Oh shit this is awesome
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>>173311631
90% of dragon players now are retarded bandwagoners who don't know how to play yet win games anyway because dragon is the cancer of totg that even a braindead child could pilot
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>>173311581
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>>173311646
i'm not contributing to ladder being ruined again, go check the jap forums.
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>>173311747
What does that have to do with eggs?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZpZl_tGfPY
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>>173311009
>All that topdecking
Anon, Lady Luck sucked your dick something fierce there.
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>>173311835
That they don't know how to build deck and what is good and what is not
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>>173311372
Is there anywhere where I can watch more footage of him playing that deck?
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>>173311825
Is it this one forest deck with 27 straight consecutive wins in masters? I'm looking at it on game-ai.
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>>173311575
The fun never started for control. Aegis and aggro shadow have been fucking it since day 1.
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>>173311575
forest is a fucking garbage draw dependant class, i know because im playing it and i dont draw ae 100 % of the time
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>>173308950
If aggro is the red of shadowverse, it needs more of red's goodness
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>>173311958
Anon, you need to put it in your deck first, it's not heartstone.
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>>173311631
>Why are people playing Eggs now?
cause this is literally a meme deck OJ pendant more of less
than being said I find eggs rather help full, it cost 1P, you dont really bloat the board Sword style. so you can leave it there early game and late game if you have patient for 1 turn, is a 1PP 2 heal + draw

>>173311850
thats why I said. its really hit or miss. but still incredible fun to play cause you still control a good chunk of the game even vs heavy healing decks like Heaven
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>>173312006
i put 3 of them and dont draw them, plus you actually need 2 followers to actually make it a 4 5 else it just dies
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>>173311825
Oh my god its another fucking roach deck.
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>>173312079
2/3 ward on turn 3 is fine, if it wasnt not as many people would be playing Grimnir
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>>173311893
Openrec search for yushi.
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>dragon goes first
>turn 2 ramp
>turn 3 rahab
>turn 4 Aeilia
>turn 5 Sybil
J-Just smash that concede button
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this burn rune deck on game-ai is fucking garbage lmao
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>>173311280
Yes. He sometimes does streaming marathon on openrec.
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>>173312172
it's forest, what did you think it would be?
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>>173311850
I almost beat a Heaven, and that is counting he healed over 20 HP
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>>173312410
A Paladins deck.
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>current master topdog, frifin has 39k MP over 611 wins as shadow

That's like 82% winrate, right?
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>>173298114
huhuhehe
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>>173312181
naked elf is "fine", but it doesn't push any damage, it just serves as a removal spell of sorts because it eats your opponent's mana/cards while dying
if you want ancient elf to deal damage to your opponent and make your roach math easier, it needs to either be big or be part of the roach turn extending the combo, otherwise it just kinda plops onto the board, you might as well have played a healing angel
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whats happened to midrange sword?
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This is fun
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>>173312662
Shadow is better early game and Dragon is better late game.
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Remove this fucking garbage class from this goddamn fucking game, why is this shit allowed to exist, holy fuck.
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>>173299116
Here's my list if you want it. Been using this as my main since the expansion dropped and it's been doing really well. You could replace cyclone blade with whole-souled, but be prepared to lose against every shadow deck and half of the meme frog decks out there if you do. Oathless Knight is another card that could easily be switched out, it's just there to balance out the weaker early game due to the lack of whole-souled and because it works well with luminous mage/knight.
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I don't want to do my dailies today either.
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I can't believe I actually got through 2 zombie walls, a howl, 2 reapers and all that shit with a shitty hand
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>Put 3 dshifts in deck
>Never draw them, even after playing 3 Lous
Great game.
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>>173312814
I stopped doing dailies for nearly two weeks right before ToG came out. I kind of doubt I'll be able to break 10k rupees again before the June expansion.
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>>173312823
I sometimes feel like the game never reshuffles the deck at all.
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>>173312662
>midrange sword?
Nigga, what are you? Stuck in hibernate camber? That shit is waaaaaaaaay b4 RoB and DE Meta
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>>173312814
You don't have a choice.
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>>173312814
there is something definitely wrong with the game, if after a week of expansion people lose desire to play the game
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when did everyone get so unfriendly in game? no one replies to hello anymore
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>>173312302
So...what's your point now?
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>>173313153
you play shadow you cancerous faggot
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>zombie party is a bronze
>catacomb/khawy/orthrus are silvers
Shadow in T2 is so fucking broken lmao. Just try to end the game early though because Aegis and Ouroboros fucking hurt.
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>>173312823

It happen to everyone.
The most hilaring is when both player get their wincon cards in the decks bottom.
You spent 20 turns doing almost nothing, then when there is 5 cards remaining, seraph, bahamut, lucifer
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>>173313153
Maybe it's because most people have emotes muted. I also don't usually greet bach unless it's a fellow Luna or Erika.
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>>173313196
The solution is simple. Don't play combo decks.
Play the only honest deck there is, midrange. Because control without a combo wincon doesn't exist in shadovwerse.
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>>173313273
Control Sword
>>
How good is this roll?

1 Tia
1 Jeanne
1 Odin
1 Ginger
1 Mary
1 Eachtar
1 Ouroboros
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>>173313183
grave desecration is actually really good in t2 as well. when the opponent is forced to trade they give you a 2/2 with storm and if you can get off a decent catacomb you'll be getting a ridiculous amount of free storms.
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>turn 7 18 damage from hand
Why is this allowed?
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>>173313329
"""control""" sword is a midrange deck
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>>173313349
Yeah, that too. I actually won like 3 games thanks to the extra damage and constant pressure from Grave.
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>>173313345
Ok
Shit
Good
Shit
Ok
Good
Ok
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>draw bad hand
>mulligan everything
>get the same cards back but in different order
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>>173313364
Did you forget who the postergirl of this game is?
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>>173313364
Rouch?
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>>173312742
Just ramp up harder bro, you clearly didn't ramp hard enough if you lost do dimshift
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>>173313454
>>173313460
roach or d-shift
both are cancer
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>>173313345
Alright
>>
What I can build from Sword legos, beside Roland I have every lego x3, I think Cygames REALLY wants me to play sword and not Haven, even though I'm faithful follower of Eris
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>>173313153
im not gonna do taht every fucking game you idiot
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74569 concede please
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>>173312742
>nothing should be allowed to beat me besides aggro shadow! nerf! NERF!
it's allowed to exist because cygames realizes that throwing a bone to combo players who run mechanically intricate decks is good for the game's prestige. If you strip everything down to the aggro-midrange-control spectrum it becomes obvious to more people that CCG "gameplay" is just throwing cards at each other until someone gets unlucky and loses
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>>173313493
Funny thing with roach is that while pulling off 18dmg on t7 is multicard combo that isn't easy to get and is cocked by wards, they can also do a T9 18 unstoppable dmg from hand with wolfbolt easy combo.
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>>173312745
Is running vanguards not a thing anymore?
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the amount of topdecking was delicious
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6sDiNs1yYY
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>it's a fucking legendary
>a desert rider

Why is this allowed? I want my Eachtar!
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>>173313412
>>173313519
Good enough to keep then? Finally time to play
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>>173313527
i tested a sword for the last few days and the only deck that is viable is midrange with alberts.
Control can not outvalue any craft anymore, roland is a bad card in current meta and sword basically has no good wincons apart from albert.

So if you want to win, build midrange or aggro albert deck.
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>>173313589
My issue is not combo buddy, is the lack of tools to interact with them. Give me pic related and we are in business.
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>>173313586
thanks runa
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>can't even be assed to get the emblem and sleeves anymore

this meta fucking sucks
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>>173313616
>not having both
C'mon mane, you gotta trust your pack so it can trust you.
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>>173313696
I like it a lot more than the last two

t. midshadow main
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>>173313616
Pls no bully, Minthe will get support real soon.
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>>173313681
There is Wandering bard Elta, which won my several games in my Haven deck. But he's not enough, that's fir sure
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>>173313889
tell us more about those games
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>>173313696
You say this every expansion.
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>>173313926
Shadow and dragon. Mainly blocking dragon from ramp on turn 5
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>>173313889
Bard is one very small step in the right direction, but it's so expensive being locked behind evo and way too easy to remove and just continue the combo onslaughter. Ends up it's not only too expensive but not reactive enough to threaten combo decks capabilities.

Afterall, it doesn't stop spells from being cast so it barely does a thing to dshift shenanigans. Now if he also stopped spellboost from working, then we could see some dramatic counterplay.
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>>173314038
I don't know. When they have completely powercreeped Daria and Albert it really says a lot.
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>>173313768
As a primarily blood player I'm happy that Shadow got a midrange list again. At the same time, I'm jealous that I'm going to have been forced into playing aggro for a full year.
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>>173314048
Both of those aren't combo, did you just barge into the conversation without reading the chain? Arguably tho, bard could halt Tyrant OTK, but that's the only combo deck I can see it ever really making a dent on.
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>>173313768
You are the cancer that's killing this game.
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>>173314048
that's really not worth it
especially if you are playing aegis you need to save evolve
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>>173297734
Does the undub work for the android version too?
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>>173313415
>Draw two nice cards and Mordecai
>Mulligan him
>Get Morde again

Does someone have the Yugi edit of Mordecai?
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>>173314158
>he doesn't know about suicide blood
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So when do they nerf dragon and shadow? How long did it take them to hit rune and forest in rob?
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>>173314038
Elena and Daria were at least inconsistent. Elena needed to draw their win card and daria need a good curve to flood the board.

Dragon?

Dragon doesn't need any of that cock sucking shit. Dragon either ramps like crazy, or plays enough control and wards, until he starts playing his fatty followers that heal him.

In the last expansion there were three viable aggro decks in blood, sword and shadow

now were down to just one, and that's only because we got cards like prince catacomb that lets you trade with minimal tempo loss.

This meta is absolutely fucked.
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>>173314228
Is it really cancer if you've been playing midrange shadow since DE?
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>>173314128
They didn't. Quite being so hyperbolic, if you're unhappy just take some time off
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>>173314320
>aggro almost gone
>meta is fucked

Does not compute.
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>>173314306
Suicide blood isn't any different than the other bad control blood lists that have existed. The win condition comes out turn 9 at the earliest and is heavily telegraphed. The matchup spread on it is not good and overall win rate is below 50%.
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>>173314180
>forest
If enemy is out of childs may or short on evos it will block roach
>>173314231
There more ways to play deck, you need to evaluate pros and cons of evolving it
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>>173314409
what other decks are being played faggot?

dshift cant win against dragon
control can't
midrange can't either

if aggro dies it means there's a t0 deck in the meta. The only reason why Dragon isn't considered so is because shadow can reliably win against it.
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>>173314228
That applies to everything that has been dominant in the meta.
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>>173314448
>There more ways to play deck
so you are not playing aegis then, if you think just dropping it on board without evolve and trade is fine
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>>173311857
Doesn't make sense. Bandwagoners will always just netdeck.
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>>173314128
yeah, it says we don't have to deal with daria and albert anymore
if the raw power of the metagame rather than the shape it takes is what offends you, I guess you would be perpetually angry since powercreep happens, but personally I prefer shadowcancer and dragoncancer to runecancer and swordcancer
"resilient aggro" + "a heal deck with actual wincons unlike elana" are fine concepts, very classic, better than "overstatted/undercosted vanilla creatures" + "tutor for the same burn cards every game"
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>>173314329
Yes.
I played Dragon all of RoB, however when ToG hit I realized the craft became the new cancer so I quit playing it
You would do the same if you had any principles.
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>>173314434
>The win condition comes out turn 9 at the earliest and is heavily telegraphed.

You clearly didn't try the deck. I'm talking about the aggressive suicide blood with Dealer and Airjammer. You can win on turn 5 with perfect curve against Dragon and Shadow. It doesn't run out of resource quickly because Bel draw you two cards and strong storm cards like Dark General.
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>>173314434
You mean turn 6 on curve
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>>173314604
People like this are pathetic.

>My class became popular so I'm gonna not play it anymore!
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>>173314649
>>173314651
>original post is complaining that blood only has aggro decks
>replies with an aggro deck
???
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>>173310682
Man, I can't stand the way that guy speaks.
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>>173314694
Yeah but he said kys blood was control when it isn't. It's the fastest burning and brightest candle.
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>>173314128
Albert is still strong as hell, do you have any idea on what the fuck you are talking about? Try to tech in stuff to counter what is popular in your old decks and SURPRISE, you'll be able to win with those old decks, even more than netdecking.

But I'm probably just wasting breath. Just keep netdecking kid, see you in a week or two when you'll cry about a new "cancer" deck.
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>>173314593
>we don't have to deal with daria and albert anymore
midrange albert is the only viable deck left
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>>173314434
Suicide blood is literally, curve 3-4-5 drop and win the game or lose fast and painfully. There's no turn 9 when you fight a suicide blood.
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>>173314673
Its not about popularity, but being overpowered cancer you fucking retard
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>>173312745
What made you abandon whole-souled tho? It's a curious choice that you decided to kill it but keep the likes of oathless.
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>>173314460
Aegis is control.
Control Forest with wolfbolt as win con is also a solid control deck.
Midrange Shadow and Dshift can win against Dragon.

>>173314694
Suicide Blood is more midrange than control. It doesn't have 1 drop and rely on 4pp-5pp cards to win.

Also, it's actually fun and takes skill to play unlike the old Aggro Blood.
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>>173314829
I play Ramp and it's not overpowered though.

It bricks more than Daria, Stop being such a loser.
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>>173314873
It bricks because you suck at deck building
Most dragon players at the moment are fucking greedy retards who can't refine their decks on their own
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>>173314604
>dragon has positive winrate now
>it's cancer! i wont play it anymore

Fucking special snowflake.
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>>173314863
>Aegis is control
haven is out of competition
it can't even handle skele/zombie spam
>Control Forest
forest will never be bad, new cards don't change much.
I don't even know why you called it "control"
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>>173314928
You don't stuff early cards in if its Ramp you moron or you just hinge the deck completely.

You only need Rahab/Unico/War Cyclone/Imprisoned Dragon.
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>>173314949
Dragon was never bad, I had positive win rates even in Rob
Now its straight out overpowered
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>>173314292
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>>173314928
He's a former runeshitter, so yeah.
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>>173314228
Nah, faggots who whine all day are the real cancer.
>>173314320
My main problem with this meta is how polarizing it is, if only they could tone down Dragon and Shadow a bit and have Blood enter the fray like intended so we could have more variety.
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>>173315027
>Anon mad because he's still playing his meme decks in D Rank.
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>>173314993
>it can't even handle skele/zombie spam

Wrong.

https://twitter.com/eater_fanatina/status/850090839845912576
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69969

pls concede
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>>173314863
top fukken kek my man

you're wrong
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>>173315014
>unica, imprisoned dragon
lmao I hope you're joking
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>>173315145
>low cost effective cards to get you into ramp territory.
No? It helps against all the aggro shit lately, Are you HONESTLY this bad.
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>>173302110
luminous banner is a trap.
the real mvp with luminous mage is ironwrought fortress
>themis my 5 drop
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>>173314460
>if aggro dies it means there's a t0 deck in the meta. The only reason why Dragon isn't considered so is because shadow can reliably win against it.
And the only reason shadow isn't considered tier 0 is, uhhhhhh
Dragon goes even or better with every craft besides Shadow; Forest goes even or better with every craft besides Shadow. Decks do that sometimes. The performance of dragon isn't a sign that the meta is fucked, it's a sign that the meta has tier 1 decks, which is by no means unusual. If this meta has a problem, it's not dragoncraft.
When midrange dies because tempo rune is head and shoulders the strongest midrange deck and warps the meta, people rightly blamed tempo rune for the death of midrange. Now that aggro is dying, and aggro shadow is head and shoulders the strongest aggro deck and meta-warping, aggrobabs blame... dragon? Do you not see the problem with this analysis?
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>>173315145
I actually seen dozens of dragon players running Unica, even some masters
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>>173315067
Before expansion you were still in A. Did you at least reach AA?
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>>173315114
>top fukken kek
You have to be at least 18 years old to post here
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>>173315194
No, you're bad. Good ramp dragon lists dropped unica and imprisoned.
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>>173315215
Maybe its the best aggro deck because

its the only aggro deck that can beat dragon

>>173315114
but hey

lets ignore that :^)
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>>173315194
Why would you waste deck space with unica when dargon has three thousands of cures anyway?

Why would you use imprisioned when rahab and grimnir exists?
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>>173315093
yeah i saw that
perfect draws from haven, pretty cool
Doesn't mean anything tho, since it's literally a miracle.
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>>173303658
i build an instant mammoth stampede dragon deck with dragon emmisary and only archangel reina as a 5+ drop
i won my first game with exactly the interaction i wanted and deleted the deck :^)
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>>173315114
What are you trying to prove?
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>>173315325
>>173315341
Trust me you need Unica against Aggro, Imprisoned not so much but I take it just for extra security because Aiela is overkill.
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>>173315215
Tbh aggro was supposed to die this meta because of shit like Grimnir and more class anti-aggro tools, only Shadow manages to keep up because it's the only one that got any real supports whereas aggro Blood and Sword got fuck all.
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>>173315396
>claim other crafts besides shadow beats dragon
>they actually don't
>At all

He even fucking claimed DSHIFT beats dragon, which is absolutely fucking hilarious.
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>>173315407
Trust me, you don't need Unica.

Here's a 21k+ MP Ramp player streaming right now. No Unica, no Imprisoned. Stop living in the past, grandpa. You don't need those stupid cards anymore to perform as a Ramp Dragon.

https://www.openrec.tv/live/jFgk3vtk2V2
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>>173315441
>can win against dragon
>can

That's the keyword here you fucking underage. Also, Daria and Dirt get absolutely destroyed by Dragon. That also affect the overall winrate for Rune vs Dragon.
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>>173315021
Thanks, Nep.
>>
>Eachtar
>Zombie Party
>Death's Breath
>Thane
SHADOW SHOULD NOT HAVE FOUR WAYS TO FLOOD THE BOARD WITH A SINGLE CARD
IT'S
HORSE
SHIT
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>>173315575
>if it wins 1 out of 10 games
>that means its a viable counter to dragon

t. mouthing breathing neanderthal
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>>173315328
Maybe tempo rune was the best midrange deck because
it was the only midrange deck that could beat removalverse

And obviously people noticed that the multitude of board clears contributed to fucking over decks like otohime midsword, but at least early on people rightly pointed fingers squarely at tempo rune, which absorbed all the tryhards who ran tempo forest and midsword in DE meta. Why wouldn't you play a deck that's better than your previous deck in all matchups including the mirror? The same is true of aggro shadow today, it's just less obvious because the anti-aggro deck is also tier 1 instead of RoB where all the anti-midrange decks were tier 2. In a world where dragon didn't get as many good cards, shadow would still have its heel on the neck of aggro archetype diversity
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>>173315602
reminder that goblin princess is a shadow card
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>>173315407
>why do I need this card
>here's some point son why I don't believe I need this card
>NO, SHUT UP, JUST TRUST ME

You're not converting anyone if you can't even communicate the reasoning of your decisions.
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>>173315602
>4 ways to flood the board with a single card
I beg your pardon? Do you mean "four cards that can flood the board by themself"
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>>173315602
It's absolutely retarded, can't wait for shadow to be unplayable with the inevitable nerfs.
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I run unica in my ramp and win most of my aggro matchups
Shadowbbs???
>>
Best way to get more vials?
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>rowen drops grimnir and two rahabs
>it doesn't even fucking matter, my skeletons blast through everything anyway
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Fuckng foresting is swarming masters again even dragon is hopeless against 21 damage from hand
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>draw ramp, probably win
>don't draw ramp, definitely lose
>people complain about this deck
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>>173315768
Liquefy all your legos excpet 3 cerbs and 2/3 echtars, you don't need anything else to reach masters, /svg/ told me and they are always right.
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>>173315661
>it was the only midrange deck that could beat removalverse
nah

daria had the best and fastest board flood out of all midrange decks while having removal and burn damage out of their asses. levi evo + piercing rune pre-nerf on turn 4 was the most bullshit move you could pull, and sometimes you could get levi + double piercing on turn 5 which was pretty much a concede on the spot.
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>>173315810
i believe you are really a confused nigger
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Help! I been memed on!
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>>173315810
More like:
>Draw ramp, instawin because I actually have 60 defence and all the removal and wards and draws and damage in this world
>Don't draw ramp? That literally never happens lamo
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>>173315810
It's able to stop the precious aggropedo. Of course they will complain.
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>>173315671
hate this stupid meme
unless your paycheck relies on it, you don't need to "convert" anyone to the truth, the fact that an assertion is true means that people will gravitate toward it over time to avoid the flaws of other, untrue assertions
if unica is an important anti-aggro tech, sooner or later the consensus of experienced players will move toward running it, and history will vindicate him. and if it's not important, it's probably best that he not argue in its defense and muddy the waters
ultimately the only way to understand the meta and improve is to experience it yourself, trying to use "reasoning" and language is good for getting eyeballs but not much else
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>Win 3 matches with sword or rune daily
>Rune is shit and my sword deck lacks legendaries so it's automatically shit
Fuckkkk.
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>>173316014
Just play frog, bro
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>>173315957
There's a difference between saying "Unica is a good card to run to counter Aggro" and "You need Unica". Most Ramp lists don't bother with Unica anymore, they run Zell. Run Unica if you want, it's a good card and she'll certainly help against Aggro, but you certainly don't need her anymore.
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>>173315925
>dragon
>stopping shadow
Good joke, only Haven manages to go even with Shadow due to its hard counter nature.
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>>173315768
Play a different game until your dailies are ready. When you finish your dailies, play a different game until your dailies are ready. Repeat until there are no other games you want to play besides Shadowverse, and you should have a decent stack of vials for whatever you want to play at that time.
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>>173316095
Even then, Haven needs to tech in cards that are almost useless against most other crafts.
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>>173315875
>fairy came out of her cage and became a petal fencer only to be locked inside an iron maiden.
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>>173316095
>only Haven manages to go even with Shadow due to its hard counter nature
it's SUPPOSED to counter shadow hard, but it's a barely winnable matchup
When i play against shadow as haven i feel like i'm desperately trying not to fucking die which most of the time i do.
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>>173316153
>other crafts
what did he mean by this?
>>
>>173316237
to be fair the idea of a craft hard countering another was kind of dumb, especially when its the only example of that kind of relationship in the game
>>
>play non-dragon or shadow
>get atomemed
Well that's what I get for playing something else.
>>
There's any midrange shadow list without urd?
>>
New
>>173316529
>>173316529
>>173316529
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>>173316402
lists that are more aggro oriented or are more token focused don't run urd
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>>173316402
Just take out the Urd (and the Attendant) and replace it with other things.
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>>173316306
well, it's actually a misleading opinion because i played haven in RoB too and Nepthis was not an easy matchup, except may be seraph. Dirt hard much easier time dealing with it.
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>>173315575
no dragon deck has 100% winrate thus dragon is not OP

heard it here first folks
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>>173316237
is this a joke? i barely ever lose to shadow as haven

its great that i get to win 30% of my matches while losing to the other 70% of dragons and forest
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>>173315539
Where can I see this guy's deck?
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>>173317784
If I had to guess, it's something like this. He seems to play 2 different lists so it's even harder to tell. I think he has a list with Ouro and a list without Ouro.

One thing worth mentioning, he doesn't play with Lightning Blast and Scyther. It makes sense, but it's surprising.
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>>173305848
There are 0 decks in MTG that are competitive and want more than 60 cards stop being dumb.
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