/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

>>173139595
>DFT works for 42.06
>Current DF version is 43.05

But anon, muh updates

>>173139796
But it works now

Just download the starter pack http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12743

Will quantum computers save DF?

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anyone ever use Dorven Realms?

I have been trying to model my world without any success, as you can see here.

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>>173141238

here's the bit it tried modelling

>>173109784
>>173109629
jesus, I can see it

>Have to kill a golden walking statue of trump
>because reasons
>its 2020, so adventurers usually have a background and are complex beings almost like humans
>My rng dwarf named 'Pablo' from house 'Escobar' hates weapons but has a natural inclination towards wrestling
>I am tasked with killing the fiend
>climb to the highest mountain with the new 'climbing mechanics™'
>The old guy is at the lower point of the mountain, eating people and shitting gold
>I put on my combat ceremonial wrestling mask and eat the combat secret 'enchiladas'
>swiftly jump from the top of the mountain
>As I fall, I turn to a more horizontal stance and raise my elbow as high as possible
>The slam mechanics added by the wrestling expansion arc's force exponentially rises the more you fall
>fall as many miles as millions trump has
>The game lags as it has to render the falling space as I go
>Eventually see the statue, I adjust my position to slam right into his face
>Im about to get him just right I remember that the strength of your own atacks can actually damage you now
>Half my body is a exploted mess, as I got btfo but the higher density of his armor
>Die
>From heaven I can see kids celebrating me as the 'holy dunker' and making meals in my honor

>>173142472
what did he mean by this?

>>173141238
I don't use it, and it's more than five years ago I played minecraft.

But to my layman eyes, it seems like the utility tried to generate the elevation using the biome map. Maybe you're supposed to use the elevation map instead?

>>173143759
Other than the shoehorned trump hate, it really sums up what I look forward to doing in future versions.

>Performing moonsaults and sentons from the tops of trees onto unsuspecting elves
>suplexing gators

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>>173143987

this is the map in use for the elevation resource in the utility

>>173144798
There are two elevation map export variants - one with water, one without. Tried both?

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He's a big guy.

>>173146552
Did they meet in a boiler room?

>>173146790
Looks like a shitty roadside diner.

>>173146790
it's some pub.

as you may have noticed, a lot of pubs are in former industrial environments, mostly because the hipsters who frequent them like to pretend that they're "poor" or "underground".

>>173146552
Where's the weird furry guy?

>>173141238
>>173142269

is there a utility that models your fortress?

>>173148312
What do you mean with model?

>>173148280
Holding the camera.

>>173148907
In what perspective? Isometric? top down? And display how? 3D Polygons? pixel sprites?

>>173144758
I already do that shit in game.

>>173148514

I mean, makes a map in minecraft of your fortress

>>173150765
Why didn't you say so before? Yes there is and its name is in the very post you quoted.

>>173151449
Oh no wait, sorry, You mean fortress. Not that I know of. Check the utilities subforum

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Oh god this game can be sad as fuck sometimes.
My miner who valiantly fought off a troll singlehandedly early-game, and lost a hand for it, just kicked the bucket, standing around trying to get a drink with his one hand.
Fuck, man.

>>173151578
I found this, but no idea if it's still up to date:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=64473.0

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>>173151668

>>173150765
there was one, but it hasn't been up to date since 2010.

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>>173146552
>that 80's style outfit
Nigga knows what's up

>>173145134

I think I may have fixed the issue

going for a full render

>>173155752
>going for a fluid gender
wtf anon

>>173142472
fuck off autist

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>>173155752

forgot my pic

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>>173157234
this.

/dfg/ is a neurotypical general. whenever I see someone sperg out like that, I just want to punch them in the face and stomp their heads until they don't move anymore.

fuck, just let /dfg/ be a place for NORMAL FUCKING POPLE, not elitist shitheads who plan everything down to every last detail and claim to know everything about the game.

just fucking let /dfg/ be a place where NORMAL people can chill and discuss dwarf fortress. if you want to discuss spergy shit like game mechanics, there's reddit.

don't forget your fedoras on your way out.

>>173157761
hes not special, if anything that post made him sound like the 17 year old king of normies

you fuck off too

>>173148280
Threetoe?

>>173144758
For the future I want golems A LOT. We already have souls in creatures that are linked to certain skills, memories and stuff, and when Toady implements golems we'll be able to basically transfer dead's existence into various husks. I can aready imagine how cool that would be.

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>>173139758
is there a reason my modded race can't seem to jog/run but can hang just fine?

>torch's when toady

>>173160556
>is there a reason
>what is causality

It's probably a gait thing. Post raws.

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>>173160689
It's too big to post here it seems here's the creature file though

http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=5705

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Ummm...

>>173161363
>zip
Ain't nobody got time for that.
Can't you post it on Pastebin or something?

>>173161647
Would bang

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>>173146552
>you stupid fat fucking frog just release the next patch oh jesus christ fucking a rimworlder just give me the next release you smug sack of fuckshit

>>173158107
He's being an epic troll dude. We all know perfectly well dwarf fortress players are the most autistic group on /vg/, barring eve players.

>>173161784
I got ya

https://pastebin.com/gzNVjK75

https://pastebin.com/xWhJXNrF

>>173161647
My fucking sides.

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>>173157761
>beware it's trollish spittle!

>>173160556
Missing the [APPLY_CREATURE_VARIATION:GAIT shit for walk/run/sprint/etc.

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How did he lose so much weight?

It's not like he's been exercising.

>>173164502
Less stress(!) + better food. Stress is like 90% the reason you gain weight, and now he's rich enough to buy the fanciest products possible, no cheap junk garbage.

>>173164426
wtf dude you stole my reaction image

Is it possible at all to create a creature that can launch quills or thorns of something? I know you can weaponise spit and stuff, and allow creatures to shoot fireballs, but how about a physical projectile?

BE NICE TO TOADY

>>173164939
>now he's rich enough to buy the fanciest products possible, no cheap junk garbage.
he doesn't, though.

he admits that he still drinks nothing but Dr Peppers.

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>>173165109
I saved that one a couple threads back, sorry mate, the name just struck me as perfect.

Uh, if you use the spit layout but switch it to TRAILING_ITEM_FLOW it will shoot the specific objects, if you use SOLID_GLOB it will shoot projectiles and "envelop the target in a burst of [item]!" as I recall?

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>>173165328
Ok, thanks max. I wanted to try mod in a pig-like race that can shoot quills from their backs like pic related, and have them settle in swamps and stuff.

Not sure what else I wanted to try adding to them, like civ ethics or whatever, so I'll just try make them a basic swamp animal for now. Any general modding tips for a novice you could spare?

>>173165252
That's just sugar it doesn't fuck you up on that scale.

>>173163543
Yeah, what >>173164426 said. Search creature_standard.txt for "gait" to see the tag format and the numbers to use. Different creatures move at different speeds, and if you want your critters to run SANIC FAST (or walk slowly and crawl SANIC FAST or any combination like that), you can probably do it by tweaking the numbers.

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fresh OC coming through

>>173165690
Ethics are weird, but if I could go back when learning about modding and reorder how I did it:

Creature Variations: learn them, love them
Caste vs Creature level tags: the above really makes these important, but on their own they're a huge difference in how effectively you can express a concept
Body Default: everyfucking thing in here can be changed and fucked with, I've got sapient beards running around turning people into zombeard dwarves with [GRASP] beards
Body Detail Plans: black magic voodoo until you get the hang of them, but this is how you get the "damaged skin > muscle > bone fracture" type effects
Material Fuckery: the only thing that matters is what you name them and where you reference those names, the rest can be fucked with as you see fit, steel bone dragons ahoy!
Interaction Wizardry: love those syndrome tags, instead of having 6 interactions to change 3 creatures with 2 castes into 3 sets of 2 castes with variations, one interaction with 6 syndrome tags that select the relevant creature and ignore the rest works

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>>173167516
I bet this is a ruse perpetrated by the (((keas)))

>>173167661
sweet, I'll keep it in mind

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post bling

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>>173167793
Those syn_affected_creature and whatnot tags are awesome shit. This one interaction turns those three races into body hardened super fast elbow and knee attack having kung fu murder machines.

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>>173167875
Not super valuable, but the mental imagery of a spiked lead crown with black gems is pretty metal. Shame no one will wear it, and it's just gathering dust in a stockpile. Can't wait till the next update, where I can display it in my noble's quarters.

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>>173139758
this game is great but for some reason lately when i've tried playing it again i lose interest after an hour or so

>>173168101
Maybe one day I'll be as powerful as you senpai, until then I'll just see if my pig-dudes can actually breathe properly and survive in this hostile world.

>>173161647
Kek. Perfect

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>>173168471

This is a clear sign of Thermobaric corrosive brain fungus

Its most likely that you will die within a week if not treated with extreme Dwarf Fortress playing

this means you must at least play DF 3 hours a day and come up with constructive and elusive fort design

Do you feel motivated to play DF now?

>>173164502
like 75% of weight loss is just diet. All you need to do is eat less calories than you use. Maybe he's been laying off the carbonated drinks?

>>173168570
I sadly have little advice on shooting bodyparts besides trying to dummy them in as copies maybe, an item quill and body quill?

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>>173169297
i shall try again later, too bad that i'm shit at designing stuff but i will try my best

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Is it just me or does having more mega beast & titans stop humans from creating towns and tombs?

I set both to 300

>>173169297
>come up with constructive and elusive fort design
You should elaborate on what you mean by that.

>>173170901
It causes every civ to make less of everything because their pops are constantly being decimated by beast attacks.

>>173170897
don't worry, you'll learn

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>>173171220

I am a theoretical DF psychiatrist, i point out the problem i do not heal it

By by breaking out of his "safe zone" fort design he might find some "fun"

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I'm at a loss here guys did toady remove the ability to play as an outsider in version 43.05?

I've tried everything from changing tags from [INDEV_CONTROLLABLE]--->[OUTSIDER_CONTROLLABLE] but so far nothing?

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>>173172004
>>173169297
Sometimes, a plump helmet is just a plump helmet.

>>173172570

>Cant manage to modify the complex coding of Toady

Geee i wonder

>>173172004
I'm asking you specifically to explain your choice of words. In what way could a fort design be considered either elusive or constructive?

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>>173172949
Sometimes a plump helmet is a toy for butt stuff.

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>>173174437

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>>173160689
>>173164426
>>173166627

thanks fellows seems like that did the trick

How do i avoid my dwarves from fucking using up all the plump helmet seeds, i just want to fucking have a steady surplus of plump helmet when the fucking winter comes.

>>173174437
In the same way that any work of architecture IRL can?

Make cool designs, it's as simple as that.

>>173176581
Just forbid them from using them in cooking?

They should be forbidden in cooking by default.

>>173168279
That looks pretty cool.

>>173169492
I heard he switched from drinking nothing but soda to drinking nothing but sugarfree soda.

>>173176725
Neither of those words are typically used as descriptors of real word architecture.
Elusive MIGHT apply to a maze, if you were being generous, but 3-dimensional structures don't defy description or understanding except in cases of mental disability. Constructive applies to literally every free-standing man-made structure ever built.

>>173172570
Huh. I can start human outsiders, but I'm not entirely sure why. Maybe it's hardcoded for ENTITY:PLAINS?

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>>173167875
It's covered in spikes, has a picture of a night creature's converted spouse, definitely won't melt if it gets wet, and is totally appropriate for children.

>>173179875
Another on bites the dust

Soon he probably fall for the vegetarian scam too

then he removes al meat product from DF

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>>173179875
>switched from drinking soda
hey good for hi-
>to drinking nothing but sugarfree soda

Is there any way to prevent trees to grow around my fort?

i don't want to pave the entire map either and why cant i just salt the damn earth yet

>>173181973
Gather plants the saplings I think

>>173182607

I just want a more permanent solution to the growing problem

>>173182752
Wouldn't that stop the problem though?

>>173182965

Ill admit i never tried using my herbalist for that, guess it might be the closest for now if it works

Okay so how do I make my goblin adventurer become the general for his factions demon?

>>173179875
After switching to water, milk, tea and plain espresso shots, I really don't understand how I or anyone else can stand guzzling down sodas day after day, shit makes me sick now.
Sugarfree's even worse, since it doesn't even taste good.

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My mayor is an elven infiltrator.
At least looking at farm animals will keep her happy.

>>173183894
>despises craftsdwarfship and loves nature
Anon, you know what we do to Elves who don't have bitchin' war animals to sell.

>>173183738

By challenging the sitting general to a beat box duel

the winner takes all

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Who are the dwarfest dwarfs?

>>173184434
>tfw you read it as challenging /dfg/ to a beat box duel
>bitches don't know about my thibiddibiddidibip-ba-bith-bith-booobrbrbrbrbrbr

>>173187296
Komrade Urist is most dwarf, is truths.

>>173184434
This demon doesnt have a general actually. Can i even do it myself, or do I just have to retire there and hope it happens in time?

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>>173168570
>feeling all clever and shit with my moddan skillz
>think I know how to get zombieless towers built with critters that turn into spouse converting monsters afterwards
>first world gen after trying my newest idea
>waiting... waiting
>WE HAVE TOWER
>check legends
>some goblin named nilun?
>not a master?
>hmmm
>check up on nilun
>the weirdness I used to delay transforming them had... unexpected results

I am baffled that this didn't straight up crash the game.

>>173182607
>>173183434
That doesn't do anything. To get rid of a sapling you have to either build a construction on it or b - O.

>>173182752
Building a paved road or floors is the only permanent solution.

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>>173189982
The game is actually pretty good about gracefully recovering from weird shit. I think that anon who experimented with memory hacking to make creatures drink themselves is a pretty good example. You know what happens when a creature drinks itself? Absolutely fuck all, that's what.

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>>173193182
I still think this is a pretty metal way to reject someone.

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I noticed that often, after completing a single repeating rock block task, my masons will switch over to "No job" and run over to chill in the tavern, while another mason picks up the next rock block job. This is grossly inefficient, since the new mason will pick the boulder closest to him, ie. not one of the boulders next to the workshop, and carry it on his back through half the fortress. It doesn't happen every time, but often enough that I caught it. The quitting masons sometimes go do something else they need, like drink or sleep or pray, but occasionally they'll just have no job for a while and then switch to a green recreation job, implying that they didn't actually have a reason not to make more blocks.

What could be causing this? I'm thinking I can probably mitigate the effects by moving the workshop closer to the recreational areas, so the idlers will always be closer to the correct rock stockpile, but is there anything else I should be looking into? Can I do something with workshop stockpile assignments? I've never actually needed that before.

>>173140413
bio-computers may be cheaper and less of a technological hurdle

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>>173193747
Nice layout anon!

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>Former Dwarf king
>Domas Shakeoils Is a male moon ogress born in 81.
>57k humans 48k goblins 44k elfs and 29k dwarfs
>out of 50 civs only 7 died
>One goblin civ has a population of one elf
All the dwarfs ones have 4k + apart from 2 which have 138 and 89. The big ones have elfs in them in the 100s.
Always like having a look at the dwarf civs before picking.

>>173193747
It takes a few ticks for a worker to choose their next job. In that interval another mason who's unoccupied can take the job, leaving the original mason to do what the fuck he wants.
If you want to fix it you can assign each mason's shop to an individual mason through workshop profiles. That's the best you can do. Or keep the rest of your masons too busy to take the job, but that's not as easy as it sounds unless you have a really busy fort.

asymmetricals should just die tbfh

>>173197134
Symmetrical houses suck to live in

>get back into DF after a 3 year hiatus
>dorfs can be gay now

Is there a point to this feature?

>>173198103
Yes.

>>173198103
Is there a point to being gay in real life?

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Witness this glorious 550 year world.

>>173198421
IRL it's population control but in DF, my dorfs get killed by natural causes, unnatural causes and each other often enough that their population is controlled well enough.

>>173193182
>is the same anon
It didn't actually take memory hacking, you can get someone knocked out into a cage and then get the cage into a bag > mug, it's just easier to dfhack the cage straight into the mug and gulp!

I finally managed to get what I was going for to work, I think, close enough for now.

>>173198421
>catty drama
>fashion designers
>choreography
>theater
Uh, maybe?

>>173198575
>population control
kek

thought a 6700k would run the game faster

thought wrong

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>>173197134
>>173197905
You can do both.

>>173198438
After year 250 it's mostly just bloat and gobbos.

>>173199508
the game doesn't utilize more than one core, anon
it's never going to run fast on modern processors

>>173199653
>so much wasted space
>and a fucking central staircase
Nigger do u Want me to slap You+

>>173199706
Doesn't that bloat make Adventure mode more fun?

>>173200008
>wasted space
You have no idea.

>central staircase
That's a magma piston you dunce.

>>173200065
By bloat, I mean it slows down the game in general. Also, not really. I have genned a Large 1050 year old world, expecting a fun adventure. I was met with empty hamlets filled with peasant skeletons, whole towns with warehouses full of food and even more peasant corpses and dwarven mountain halls (full of peasant corpses). The odd sentient creature I did run into was the random goblin that would be overseeing these various locales filled with bones. I think the only place with a sizeable population was the Dark Fortresses and Pits but, they were so populated that it made the game take 30 seconds to move a square.

>>173199298
Well, there's also choreography now.
Unknown if being gay gives you a bonus with that, but that's one potential reason.

>>173200505
someone tell toady that he's got to work on making the other races better at self-preservation / reproduction

or just fucking don't make goblins immortal

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>>173200008
>wasted space

>>173201189
If Goblins don't need to eat or drink, their age should at least be capped to around 50 or something.

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>>173201350

>>173200505
>skeletons everywhere
That doesn't happen every time. World history can go various ways, depending on what your population caps and whatnot are like. I ran a 10 000 year worldgen a while ago, and although that world was fucking unplayable, it was unplayable for entirely different reasons.
It had some interesting legends, though.

I do agree there isn't much of a point in running history after it makes the game noticeably slower. I've recently taken a liking to 1050-year pocket worlds, but I wouldn't try that on large.

>>173201735
Not like you can gen a 1050 year world on large anyway, the bitch will crash before it finishes.

>>173201735
I'll bite. What made the 10,000 year worldgen unplayable and what was one of the interesting legends?

>>173201851
A week or two ago there were people here passing around 10k year old worlds. It takes forever but it rarely crashes, especially after the 64bit update.

>>173202059
Huh, crashed on my with the recent version but I did only try it once.

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>>173157483

special update

>>173201365

lower than that I'd say, they should be nigh disposable

>>173202376
imo if you especially consider goblins from a narrative perspective, their lives should be nasty, brutish, and short. they should infight frequently, causing population drops (i realize regicide occurs occasionally but it doesn't cause civil war), they should have no health care system causing illnesses and the wounded to be left for dead (then possibly cannibalized).

they probably also fail to take care of themselves, so even if they biologically can live to 50, make it fairly high variance to die of old age or something

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>>173202059
>10k year old worlds
pfffthahahahahaha

>>173203061
what was that even like

>>173203061
how did you do that? Is it something in DfHack that you can mess with?

>>173203061
That seems a bit excessive.

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>>173204243
gui/gm-editor df.global.world.worldgen.worldgen_parms

Honestly, how much does world size affect performance? Does a small world truly perform that much better than a large one? Or is it mostly just a world gen thing?

>>173205492

a smaller embark will have less creatures ambling onto it I would think

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>>173205492
Well, in my megayear pocket world runs it took 4 minutes to go from this shot to this one: >>173203061 and the gap from 1,090,*** years to 1,111,111 took a minute.

>>173198575
if we irl got killed off by nature often enough to maintain a stable population would people stop being gay

keep in mind DF takes place over, at most, 1-2 thousand years

>>173207463
>say at most here
>literally right below such bullshit as
>>173203061

welp

>>173207463
That's not the point, the point is I want all my dwarves capable of making babies.

>>173207761
wow that sucks

i bet empires irl really wished all of their colonists would bone also

sarcasm aside i agree that it would be nice if you had an option in-game for dorfs to outlaw homosex and force everyone to breed or get burned at the stake (just like muh midievel tapestries). maybe in a later version

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>>173207758
Pretty much, 1~2k years takes a while on a large world but smaller? It's really not that bad.

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>>173201912
The deal breaker was that it got unstable. I'd visit a town and the game would just crash. I'm not sure what the specific mechanism there was, and I didn't investigate it very thoroughly. I didn't want to play in a world that could break without warning.
Also, whenever I started a new game, it took like three minutes sorting the coin information. Once I actually got an adventurer walking, I discovered that my starting site, a bandit camp with a few hundred elves crammed into it lagging everything to hell, was absolutely littered with huge piles of coins. Hundreds of thousands of them. Maybe millions. There were several stacks of over 40000 copper.

As for the legends, I suppose it wasn't anything too far out of the norm. I noticed there were a few elves and goblins still alive from the beginning of the world, and I checked their related historical figures. Turns out they were all poets who were taught by the same dwarf poet, who was the only apprentice of a goblin who usually preferred to work alone and even refused to teach his own son, and was murdered pretty early on by a human who was abducted twice as a child, having escaped and travelled back home after the first abduction... The kind of political intrigue the game generates right now. It got interesting once I started binging on it.
I should note that hardly anything happened after the year 1000 or so. The world reached equilibrium and just kept chugging on, with new critters being born and dying but nothing changing.

Did toady ever fix the bug/feature where after you unretire a fortress all your food & booze is gone?

>>173205492
It mostly affects worldgen and that two-week wait when you start a new game. There will be extra background processing in fort mode too, but probably not enough to be noticeable.

>>173209330
>I'm not sure what the specific mechanism there was
I'm just making a wild guess here. I imagine there's some sort of site history/rumor table that gets populated with relevant entries as soon as the site loads to make it accessible to the player in conversation or story telling or whatever. It's probably not equipped to handle that much history. Hell, mayoral elections alone would probably fuck the system in half for an 11 million year old world.

>>173209330
Yeah, the coins on a 1.1 million year old world took close to ten minutes to load, I thought it was frozen the first few times I tried to load it.

>>173210081
>11 million year old world
Whoops, I gave it one too many decimal places. Point still stands, though.

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>>173210401
Oh god yeah, I had to get the world balanced where it would squeak past into the age of death without rejecting and then just let it ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun at thousands of years a second until it finished.

midnight bump

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>>173143759
this is one of my favorites

>>173146552
>meetup3.jpg
dump the rest of these meetup pictures really cool!

So I thought it'd be funny to make a world with like double the monsters. Apparently during worldgen most of the weird shit was contained to one very large island. Basically super Australia. It's 2/3rds haunted and filled with goblins.

Should I try to make a fort there?

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>>173163153
a-are we really?

>>173214217
Should have used rubble.

>>173183746
>milk
As someone who switched to water, coconut milk and espresso I have no idea how someone can drink milk.

>>173214394
as someone who only drinks sewer brew and dwarven wine, I don't understand how you humans can drink non-alcoholic stuff.

>>173171404
kek'd at this blatenetly obvious answer idk why

>these faggots don't even drink fresh, unpasteurised full-cream cum straight from the source

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>We rescued our first child! The seven dwarves are now caring for Obol, a four year old human they found in the goblin pits. An impressionable child, she inherited the goblin ethics of valuing power over others and her personal dream is to take over the world. I'm sure it'll be fine.

>I'm balancing out abstract equipment strength numbers and working more with the post-worldgen raid/battle code, since it wasn't really geared toward smaller numbers of well-equipped player dwarves fighting at sites. That'll merge in with the reports they give when they return, which is the next project.

>>173214575
We prefer elven blood here.

What is the ideal worldsize and age for adventure mode?
When I made a really old world it was basically post apocalyptic with me having a goblin friend and venturing through a mostly empty world, filled with roaming armies.

When I made a young world I managed to recruit some demon who was sitting in a jail cell in a keep and the world was full of megafauna.

>>173214728
I wonder if we'll be able to take prisoners. I need more meat for the labyrinth.

>>173214786
66x66 ~ 257x257
1000 ~ 300

Finally finished my dwarven space program in the top secret location in the deep caverns

test flight soon

>old fort taken over by goblins then ruined by a dragon
>38 goblins
>1 dragon
What happens to the goblins when I reclaim the site?

>>173216214

They become cave guerillas that will be a constant thorn in your side

blowing up workshops and kidnapping citizens from the fort and doing hit and run maneuvers

Think Che Guvera just goblins

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I finally finished up my royal palace, although it'll be more than a year before the queen will move in (I haven't even made any offerings to the mountainhome).

Note that I used the same rough petrified wood pillars that I did in the temple.

What you see, the throne room, is two z-levels high. Above it are the bedroom and dining all respectively, and above those are the tomb and the treasure chamber. In the latter, I will store my artifacts.

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>>173217182
Here's the bedroom, two floors above the throne room.

See the balcony on the south? There's a 10 z-level drop from it.

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>>173217263
And here's the roof.

This is also the second highest level on the map, and consequently also the last buildable level.

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>Undead Ice wolves
>Was expecting goblins
Well fuck.

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>>173217182
>>173217263
>>173217340

Wait is this a.......surface fort

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>>173217617
A great tower with an entire city inside.

Constructing is more challenging that just digging.

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>>173214905
>waiting to see if I can get one of my tower secrets to work right
>world starts hauling ass
>let it run for a while cause fuck it why not

What's the most comfy biome to embark? I need something to occupy time between classes and I have a desire to make another attempt at an above ground human fort.

>>173218873
Honestly, anything with trees and no undead is pretty chill. If you want a challenge, you usually have to go out of your way to look for it.

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>>173217849

This clearly violates several dwarven building regulation not to mention could be seen on a breach of dwarven living and work condition laws

Report to your local hammerer and deconstruct this vile temple of vanity and madness

>tfw a dwarf just won't stop puking because he left the hospital before getting healed for some reason

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>>173219910
The funny thing is, it would be fairly easy for me to remove all the supporting walls, effectively removing the entire tower in one go.

I might as well give it a try. I'll savescum my way back afterwards, though.

>>173164939
>>173165692
Excess sugar is the primary thing fucking people up diet-wise in America.

Also fancy food isn't necessarily healthier, cheap food can be quite healthy.

You don't know shit about nutrition anon.

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>>173220124
Never forget.

>>173220863

Probably an inside job

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>>173220863
All those people, all those helm plumps.

>>173221259

Now you must make it into a ground plump memorial and swear unyielding war on the goblins

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>>173221259
After a savescum, the whole incident is just a bad dream.

How do you like my grey langur pen, by the way?

Here, I've used rough petrified wood pillars to create an artificial "forest" for them.

The langurs seem to like it, since they already have babbies.

>>173221539
Is it not possible to grow a mushroom forest for them with the right ceiling?

>>173221843
Nope. There is a rumour going around that wetting constructed walls will make it possible to turn them into soil, but I've yet to see any solid evidence.

Natural stone can be turned into soil, though.

>>173221990
>Step 1: add magma
>Step 2: add water
>Step 3: stir to taste (but don't actually try to taste it, seriously, fuck!)
>Step 4: allow to cool
>Step 5: add a bit more water

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>>173222195
>but don't actually try to taste it, seriously, fuck!
Where were you when I accidentally picked up a glob of magma?

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>>173223405
Getting hit by magma mist after tackling a criminal into the lava pool in a temple, then while on fire I started dropping my gear so I can go back and get it if I live, right?

So I notice I've got booze and for some reason my brain is like "BOOZE IS WET, THEREFORE IT IS WATER, SURELY IT CAN HELP" and it worked about as well as you would expect.

>>173172949
Underrated psychiatrist

>>173155369
he isnt dressed any worse than anyone else in that pic

>>173225302
He's honestly the best dressed one there.

The others just dress like typical neckbeards who can't be bothered planning how they dress.

That guy, on the other hand, shows some degree of fashion/style consciousness, even if it is a bit archaic. He's probably most self aware in the group.

bumpa

Is it wise to let the king be part of the reserve force?

will there be any severe repercussions if he gets killed in glorious battle

>>173227938
you get a new king or queen who may or may not have more annoying mandates.

>http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=163521.0

Ahh Bay12Forums, where everyone comes "for the stories" and no one actually knows how the game works.

I love how everyone has "theories" about everything that happens, without ever having checked the wiki.

>>173228003

So i will forever be stuck with a aristocracy

When will the people overthrow this ancient institution and institute a Parliament

Id hoped he would die so i can make his chambers into a peoples museum or something

Weird thought bump:

>sitting down to find the usually hatefully frigid toilet seat is warm seems like a positive outcome
>unless you live alone

>>173228906
>sitting down to find the usually hatefully frigid toilet seat is warm seems like a positive outcome
no. feeling someone else's ass warmth is disgusting.

>>173228598
you could mod kings out, but I think you have to gen a new world for changes to entities to take effect.

>>173228906
Get one of those fabric seat covers like in Japan.

Why do i always field my entire force in a open field battle against invaders

there must be better ways, soon my entire army will be a bunch of cripples with crutches

>>173229029
You say that but then you go to crap on a frigid Jan morning and swear your ass just froze to the fucking seat.

>>173229345
>Why do i always field my entire force in a open field battle against invaders
It's the safest way.

If you fight inside (i.e. in tunnels and corridors) some retard will always run off and become separated from the rest, leaving them more vulnerable and causing needless casualties on your side.

When fighting in open fields, all militia members will see the same enemies, and thus also charge said enemies. No more cases of "only one guy sees the enemies, so he runs off on his own and gets killed".

>>173229539

I just wish the enemy would not field so many xbow

they turn my Honorable battle into a slug fest

>>173229767
Personally I just wish Toady would add proper military formations already.

Instead of having your soldiers arbitrarily leave their station and charge at the first enemy they see, I'd prefer that they form a line and defend it without moving more than two or three tiles.

>>173229939

Would be nice with some proper shield tactics and thicc spear walls

>>173164502
he's a big guy

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>>173230623
Do i stand a chance? My Military is just recovering from an Elf attack that took me by surprise and there were 9 casualties on my 20 men army.

I also forgot to link the bridge outside to close.

Should i hope for a lucky crit or is everything over?

>>173230929
Rocs are just big dumb animals.

They can easily decapitate unprotected or inexperienced soldiers though.

The best tactic (unless you want to try and cage it) is to just have your militia pile up on it.

>>173203061
playing adventurer on this would be interesting

>>173224076
>as well as you would expect
It should've worked. 99%+ beverages that could be called an ale don't have enough alcohol by volume to act as an accelerant. Any outliers are only called an ale on a technicality or as a misnomer.

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>>173231487

>>173231568
I guess burning to death is probably more fun in the long run than almost burning to death. But ask yourself which story is better:
>I burned to death.
OR
>I almost burned to death but I rolled around in a puddle of beer to put myself out.

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>>173231057
Not as much as you'd think, there was almost no history worth studying because everyone was and had been dead for literally a million years.

>>173231487

>>173231487
There's different degrees of alcohol content now? How can I mod them to be higher and poison my human visitors?

>>173232414
Ask yourself which story is better:
>I almost burned to death but I rolled around in a puddle of beer to put myself out
OR
>I almost burned to death but I rolled around in a puddle of beer to put myself out, but then the beer caught on fire and I burned to death

The latter is funny because alcohol being flammable is a well known pop cultural trope.

>>173203061
>more than a fucking million years
>only 500 hist figs
Your world must have entered the age of death quite easily senpai

I caught a Giant, anything I can do with him?

>>173234148
dig a deep pit, cover the floor with the densest material you can find, and then drop him into it.

>>173233243
I meant IRL, but the SYN_CONCENTRATION_ADDED:x:x token that was introduced in 42.01 will probably let you mod the relative strengths of different alcohols. I haven't messed with it so I'm not sure. AFAIK it's only used on alcohol now, so it's promising if that's something that interests you.

>>173217340
can you post it from a visualizer?

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After losing many fortresses to FPS death after 10+ years of ingame time, I've decided to try making a fortress that will last 200 years.

>Settings
No Temperature, No Weather.
Small World, 2x2 Embark.
No flowing water.
>Mods
Muskets and Flintlock pistols for my dwarves.
Throwing Axes/Spears/Daggers.
Female Elf Slaves brought as pets on embark.
Display Cases for useless artifacts.
>Execution
Using Workflow and Auto-labor to minimize interaction time.
Alt-tabbed 90% of the time, just coming back to designate big projects at once and clean up.
All pauses all turned off except for invasion and beast.
Yearly atom-smashing of cluttered items, animals maybe children.

How feasible is it? Anyone here has experience with a fortress lasting for a 100+ years?
Is the old rumor true about all atom-smashed items still cluttering path-finding list making it get worse and worse like a memory leak?

>>173199706
>gobbos
Nah it's whatever race is prevailing. I've seen 1k year old worlds with nothing but humans.

>>173237785
what tilset?

>>173240737
The one in the picture? Looks like CLA to me, but I could be wrong.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/?topic=105376.0

>>173229390
Solution: Get a wooden toilet seat

>>173237785
>Is the old rumor true about all atom-smashed items still cluttering path-finding list making it get worse and worse like a memory leak?
The best existing research on the matter says no, but everything we know on the matter has always been conjecture and guesswork. The same research suggests that any items that leave the map do remain in item lookup lists, so invasions and caravans will gradually bog you down. You'll need to wall off your map borders to really prevent it. However item count is a really trivial contributor to fps death anyway. So are weather and temperature. Population control and small embarks are the tried and true methods of staving off fps death, and the only things you can do that will get you visible results. Except in extreme cases, any other contributors are rounding errors.

>>173240895
Thanks, friend

why won't my fucking woodcutters pick up theIR GODDAM FUCKING AXES HOLY SHIT FUCK OFF

>>173243317
>However, wood cutters will no longer use axes without edges, such as wooden training axes.
o-oh

I guess i'll have to wait until a caravan then because i'm stuck with just zinc and gold on this map
fug

>>173243465
Why didn't you bring a proper axe my man?
Literally the second most important item after a set of picks.

>>173243465

Good riddance, stay out of the forest stunty

>>173244983

Get back to your containment board, elf! >>/out/

>tfw i'm farming trogs
Now if only I could actually do something with them other than target practice.

do war animals still breed?

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Is the 64bit version worth playing at all or should I just stick to the 32 bit?

I haven't played this game in about two years and I suddenly feel like getting back into it again.

>>173201189
>>173201365
>>173202752
I edited the raws so that Goblins have an age of 30:50 and they now need to eat and drink. I like the effect it's had on their family trees in Legends, it looks a lot more dynamic and natural.

>>173247927
You really have no reason not to play the 64bit version unless you have a 32bit computer.

>>173248516
Are they identical other than one is in 64bit runtime environment?

The tavern update is in now right? How is that?

>>173248874
>Are they identical other than one is in 64bit runtime environment?
as far as I can tell
>The tavern update is in now right? How is that?
kind of bare honestly, You can hire mercenaries and bards, otherwise you're just giving away free booze to every hobo that passes by. Libraries/temples are nice if you're in to that sort of thing, just another place for dwarves to hang out.

Seems to me the 43.05 complete starterpack doesnt come with a launcher? wtf

>>173250915
You don't need it. Download the game, start playing.

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>>173249743
Now that we have locations like tavern, library and temple, I hope toady adds in ARENA location.
Would be sweet to designate a location as arena, and have people sit in chairs watching fights to the death and get happy thoughts.
They just need to react if any of the gladiators/beasts attacks a member of the audience or any non-participant, else they enjoy the show.

>>173250915
What are you smoking anon?
I literally just downloaded the pack and its as standard as it always was.
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12743

>>173252236
This

>>173252236
Would be pretty cool

climbing update has made building an aboveground fortress such a fucking pain jesus christ kill me

>>173252236
Arenas would not only be anachronistic with regard to the game's temporal setting (15th century), they'd also conflict with dwarven ethics.

Instead, it'd be cool to have medieval style tournaments, with jousting and stuff like that.

>>173252364
Im a retard and was looking in the folder for it

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Just showing off

>>173256121
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of /dfg/ are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used the ASCII map when posting, but it doesn't show enough details and changes arbitrarily depending on your tileset! Whoops! You should always remember to export a detailed map instead! Posting an ASCII map when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post detailed maps, unless the aesthetics of the tileset are absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bait to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>>173256441
>using copypasta inconsiderately
Clearly the tileset aesthetics are absolutely vital in his case.

What was the original of that pasta again? Using a tripcode, right?

>>173256865
This is the original:
>Hi there!

>You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

>Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>>173256441
I'm not sure if you're a troll or if you genuinely hold incorrect opinions. Either way I'm downvoting your post, Pedro.

>>173255189
>15th century
>humans don't have steel
Really makes you think...

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I just started playing again after a long time and I have to say that reclaiming forts creating during world gen is so goddamn cool and convenient. I can skip getting basic infrastructure up and go straight into production.

>>173258513
Everytime I see a worlgen fort I want to find a worldgen dwarf and punch it in the worldgen mouth.

>>173258513
>2x2 rooms already laid out for you

That seems mighty convenient. Do you have to clear the fort out of any baddies or is it just free for the taking?

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The fool dueled a titan

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>>173258929
No baddies at all. The former fort lasted a little over 20 years before some forgotten beast killed everyone apparently. I've even got smelters already set up!

>>173259054
did he win?

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>>173258929
A buncha forts i checked in the past had no bodies but a fuckton of resources. It's pretty good. Also cavern layers are walled off so you don't get flooded with trolls and other filth.

>>173256121
intredesting

>>173259562
Maybe

>>173259562
No

>>173259732
truly, we will never knows :O

>>173259816
oh fug

>>173258383
This is why I made pig iron into wrought iron, added mild steel, spring steel, and dwarven steel plus the relevant reactions.

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Say

does volcanos apply presuure upward in this game?

if so would it be possible to use pumps to temporary empty part of the volcano channel and say insert a mine cart.
And then close the pump and the pressure from the magma would push the mine cart hopefully into orbit

>I want to make a Dwaven Space /ICBM

>>173261396
A giant black dick

>>173259451
>>173259707

Sounds pretty neat, I'll have to try it sometime.

On another note, I just started a fort and got a warning that my civ is dying/dead and it's the only dwarven civ in the world. I assume that means that I'll get no migrants apart from the two hard-coded ones, right?

>>173261396
Sadly no.

>>173261842

Well guess ill just keep sacrificing goblins to the volcano gods then

>>173262097
Godspeed anon. Godspeed.

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>>173255189
>15th century
Handcannons came to Europe around 14th century from Asia, muskets were up and running around 15th.
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY DORF GUNPOWDER AND CANNONS, HMM?

Arenas have been a fortress thing since first version, almost every DF player has built one at one point.
Also I don't see how it conflicts with dwarven ethics, since when is it unethical to slaughter goblins?

>>173172570
bumping for interest

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Werebeast attack, get everyone inside, let it roam around till tired then slaughter it when he reverted.
Still one dumb ass slow kid didn't make it in time, and survived the attack with dozen of bites.
Close the kid in my atom-smasher, but couldn't separate him from another child.
Decided to crush them both to not risk werecurse spreading throughout the fortress.

Completely forgot about that even till a year later I saw two ghost kids in my atom-smasher, a boy and a girl, playing make-belief.
Spooky ass shit, this fucking game man.

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>>173263043
>Handcannons came to Europe around 14th century from Asia, muskets were up and running around 15th.
>WHERE THE FUCK IS MY DORF GUNPOWDER AND CANNONS, HMM?
They will definitly be added at the same time as the boats.

>since when is it unethical to slaughter goblins
Killing enemies in fair combat =/= being sadistic and cruel towards prisoners. The latter definitly clashes with dwarven ethics.

If you check the ethics, it becomes clear that dwarves are the most compassionate of all the races. Yet for some reason, there's a meme about them being bloodthirsty bastards who masturbate to the screams of elf civilians being put in gas chambers.

>>173263529
>I saw two ghost kids in my atom-smasher
Smash them again.

>>173263626
I was actually scared that would crash my game, so I put them both to rest, and built a statue garden around their slabs.
I'll !!SCIENCE!! smash any other ghost fucker that ends up in these, but these two deserved some peace.

>>173263563
Dwarves truly are the SJWs of the world.

Goblin4lyfe

Tell me this

If Dwarfs are so great and progressive, why do they live under a rock?

>>173265047
Because they're scared of the world

>>173263769
>I was actually scared that would crash my game
Saving only costs a minute of your time, anon.

>>173263563
>They will definitly be added at the same time as the boats.
B-b-but Toady promised to add the boats!

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botes soon guys don't worry

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Can someone explain to me how the humans here lost 511 men trying to kill 2 Goblins?

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So, I've got kennels, an animal trainer and an animal training zone. I go to [z] menu and make dogs 'available' but I can't figure out why I can't make him train those dogs or make then wardogs.

When I select the dwarf it says that there are no more animals left.
Kennels only enables me to capture a live land animal or tame a small animal.

>>173263563
I hold that since Toady's basically made the dwarves being possessed by the player's will a legitimate thing, they all completely change into a bunch of bloodthirsty psychopaths until you retire or push them too far.
Player forts are basically your average Dunwich-esque town where everybody's just a bit "off", and probably regarded by the other dwarven civs/forts as being one of those places you don't go unless you've got a deathwish.

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>>173263769

What's the best 3d visualizer so I can check out my fort?

I've checked out the ones listed in the wiki, but I'm pretty sure I've seen screenshots posted that are not from those.

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>>173266756

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>>173266872
Armok Vision

>>173266915
Moving at Speed 9.900 is fast enough to pull a lever and run under a drawbridge!

>>173266245
Goblins were in a giant tower raining bolts, arrows and burning oil on humans under their walls.
2 of them slipped on the oil that spilled and died off of broken neck. The rest of the casualties was unprepared human siege that forgot to bring trebuchet.

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Stone or wood?

lets see wheres /dfg/ alignment lies

>>173267403
Wood for me.

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>>173267403
>not putting steel block walls as an option
What are you boy, some kinda filthy elf-loving goblinfag?

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What do you think they fought about?

Do dwarves automatically equip better gear? Let's say he's got a finely crafted helmet equipped. Is he going to auto equip a "superior" helmet as long as I don't forbid it?

If I make a ambusher axedwarf will he hunt with an axe or still try to use a crossbow

>>173268096

Cheating with some Dryad i bet, filthy ranger boys

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>>173237785
>elf slaves

NANI can you make them a part of your fortress proper after a time

>>173268443
I think they hermit crab to the best/newest stuff and shuffle the rest down the line unless they're attached or specifically assigned.

>>173268669

>Giving PETA elfs an inch..ever

This is how you ruin a fort within a week

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>>173268669
>making them part of the fortress
>not kicking them into the volcano after having them build a wooden cabin above it

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>>173268669
>can you make them a part of your fortress proper after a time
Its just a custom elf pet caste, they cant be integrated as proper citizens, though they will do simple slave jobs like cooking and farming.
I had one Female Slave Elf trained for battle, and she fought off a goblin to save some dwarves. Motherfuckers ended up electing her as mayor!

Add this in the creature_standard.txt after elf male and female caste.
And gen a new world ofc. Tadaaaa, you can now bring elf slaves as pets on embark screen, caravans will bring them to you in cages, and their products.
https://pastebin.com/q4dqgKxg

>>173269340
>pet mayor
Holy shit lol.