/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

My empire could use more room to expand but I'm hemmed in.

>>170601226
I wanted to shove This Day in History up there too but there's just no room

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3rd for butterflies

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The AI kicks my ass.

Also, I thought you could play as the russians. Was I wrong? I only have the Americafats, the Teasuckers, the Nazis, and the Ubermensch Nazis.

>>170601909
eastern front is one of the expansions I think

>>170602026
Nope, just for the sequel.

Also, giant sales on several strategy games on Steam.

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Nth for Aurora 4x, best space 4x ever made.

>>170602286
>Zanzibar
[PTSD intensifies]

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>>170602286
>Quentin

>>170602931
>mfw I play my 3DS at home

>>170602931
Whats wrong with Quentin ?

http://honorverse.wikia.com/wiki/Quentin_System

>>170603206
Apparently, there was a retard on /v/ called Quentin, so now, everything named Quentin has to be that guy.

>>170602931
socially adjusted men:
>do things to impress others
>hide their hobbies
>are fake and only get happiness through the acceptance of others

3ds retards:
>be who they are
>don't bend to what other perceive as "cool"
>dumb and happy

>>170603361
>>170603206
Quentin made thousands of those meme posters, but he was more from /b/ and /pol/. Mostly they were about not smoking weed or how having a job was dumb.

>>170603531
>not smoking weed
what a faggot

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>>170603531
>Mostly they were about not smoking weed or how having a job was dumb.

So he was typical /r9k/ cunt ?

>>170603531
>mfw I'm named Quentin
>have to hide my name whenever I'm taking screenshot because otherwise people immediately assume I'm that faggot

>>170603635
>taking a screenshot with your name in it in the first place

>>170603635
>It’s unknown when Quentin started posting on 4chan, but some of his comics date back to 2010 when he first began posting in /v/. Known for his controversial views, he has also posted on other boards, including /lit/. In June 2011, Quentin was permabanned from all boards.
>“I seriously hope you guys don’t do this” is a catchphrase used as condescendenting response and heavily associated with the Constanza.jpg reaction images. Its creation is often credited to Quentin, who used it as bait after ambigous statements, normally accompained with a close up picture of Pete Campbell, from the series Mad Men.
Be proud of your Quentin shitposting heritage.

>>170602931
So...the left side is a sad little faggot who can't live with his own pride in himself? Because "Dressing to Impress" shouldn't be because you want people to be impressed, but because you personally feel good about dressing in a nice shirt and jacket. If you just do it for others to see, you're a sad little piece of shit.

>respectable fiel
>sports
>respectable
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>170603770
>implying a screenshot taken for troubleshooting purpose doesn't have your name in it
Sorry to burst your bubble, but when there's an issue with the executable located in C:/Documents_And_Settings/Anonymous/Porn game/Loli_And_Tentacle.exe, you sometimes forget to hide the name.

>>170605278
>actually installing your shit under ~/
>taking screenshots of your entire folder instead of just the contents or an $ ls
>needing help in the first place
No anon, you are the faggot.

>>170605176
>getting this triggered about a 6 year old shitpost

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>>170605397
I seriously hope you guys don't do this.

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>>170605491
>6 years old
>2011 was 6 years ago
...fuck me, where has the time gone

>>170603531
>Mostly they were about not smoking weed or ... was dumb.
Wait, about how not smoking weed was dumb, or was he saying that smoking weed was bad?

>playing Cossacks
>grenadiers are elite units, and grenades can destroy building
>playing Company of Heroes
>grenadiers are shit tier units, and grenades are anti-infantry only
That's interesting. I wonder if the WWII grenades were smaller than the Napoleonic ones.

>>170605767
Early grenadiers were big burly men and elite ( because early grenades were heavy as fuck ), WW2 and such were simple rifleman.

So its not false nor wrong.

>>170605767
Early "Grenades" were just fucking bombs. They were literally the big black round bombs you see in cartoons.

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>>170605697
I'm not sure.

He disappeared after threatening to shoot up his school on valentines day so he had a lot of issues.

>>170605893
>>170605965

they were still anti-infantry weapons, you'd use cannons or fire for wrecking buildings

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I know you guys hate spreadsheets (or at least I do) but for this, I really have to use one - if anyone's still interested, of course.

Basically, this is a comparison between purely Civilian, and purely State run economy.
Taxes are assumed to be 25% - so, 75% remains in Civvie hands.
Factories cost 200 Bux to build, and give 20 Bux per turn.
Both start the same, but under State, half the Taxes are spent on Factories, and half on Navy/Fleet - while under Civvie, all can be spent on Fleet.

>>170605893
Where buildings weaker during Napoleonic wars, or is it just some artistic license that you can blow buildings with grenades?

>>170605965
Haaaa... So Wile E. Coyote is actually a French Grenadiers?

>>170606000
The worst part is that it kinda makes sense.

>>170606058
>Where buildings weaker during Napoleonic wars,
Probably seeing as in 1800s most of them were wooden and during WW2 was brick and stone.

>>170606000
>smoking weed is the same as rape, extermination and robbery
What kind of retard think that way ??

>>170606010
Thing is grenadier's grenades weren't high explosives, so they could easily start fires.

>>170606058
>it kind of makes sense
It doesn't. I have my own arguments against weed, but Quentin's argument is that it's against the law. A stoner's argument isn't that it isn't against the law, a stoner attempts to outline why it SHOULDN'T BE against the law, because there's nothing wrong with it in and of itself, or so the argument goes. Quentin preassumes that the stoner is wrong and then proceeds to engage in circular logic - it's against the law so it should be against the law, which is why it's against the law in the first place.

>>170606126
Ha, okay. I guess that makes sense.
Through I expected that with all the gunpowder improvements, grenades would be a lot more useful.

>>170606204
That's not the stoner's argument, he just says that "weed is okay in moderation". Quentin just compares it to dire stuff.

>>170606000
>genocide in moderation

what did he mean by this?

>>170606509
That means murdering only the deviants.

>>170606445
>Through I expected that with all the gunpowder improvements, grenades would be a lot more useful.

Early grenades were more what we now know as satchel charges/C4 - shit to destroy bunkers, buildings etc. Todays greanades are anti-infantry weapon.

>>170606032
what gemu

>>170606445
The stoner's argument is that "weed is okay in moderation" which implies that it shouldn't be against the law when used in moderation. Quentin's argument is that since it's against the law it should be against the law and that since it should be against the law that's why it's against the law, which is circular reasoning. He brings up murder and rape and whatever too for that reason - these things, that most people believe should be against the law, are against the law because they should be against the law, so therefore anything that is against the law should be against the law.

>>170606573
Just how big where these grenades? Do they have a specific name?

>>170606621
I see.
It makes sense to say that if something is forbidden, then it's forbidden, but if we're debating a possible use, it serves no purpose.

>>170606706
Right, that's the point. The stoner is saying 'well it's forbidden but it shouldn't be forbidden let's change it'. Quentin just reiterates the fact that it's forbidden - well yes, everyone knows but that's not the point.

>>170606706
>Just how big where these grenades? Do they have a specific name?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenadier

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You know when you think about it ES2 combat isn't all too different from Stellaris combat. Think about it in both game controlling your fleets is just telling them where to go where to bomb what to kill etc. When combat happens in ES2 or Stellaris you don't get to micro your fleet like where to position each ship or which ship attack which enemy and stuff.

Thoughts?
Also i like ES1 and 2 but Stellaris is better IMO

>>170606592

No game - just a general discussion of Civilian vs. State oriented economy. (although a mix is possible)
An anon was interested yesterday why people want to see independent Civilian Corporations in game.
In case he's still here - here's my reason.

>>170606849
in ES2 the AI actually knows how to use its fleets

>>170606826
>the size of a base ball
Pretty small then.
Also,
>Grenadier is the lowest rank (OR-1[22]) in the Heeresanteil (en: army part) of the Bundeswehr Wachbataillon (en: Bundeswehr guard battalion).
So for everyone else, Grenadiers are elite units, except for the German.

>>170606770
Yeah. He coulda said it endangers the smoker's health or could ruin his chance to insert in society.

>>170606892
okay so you just made some shit up and stacked it in favor of civvies to push your retarded agenda

>>170606032
Why does State start with a sixth of the Wealth of Civilians, and only 15% of the capital? This hardly seems a fair comparison. A state-run economy would still get taxes.

>>170602026
>eastern front
it's a mod

>>170607021
>>170607076

Same start, but State has to spend on both Fleet and Factories - I assumed something like 50/50 distribution.
Also, State DOES get taxes - which is where it's 1000 capital (on both sides) comes from.

>>170607076
>A state-run economy would still get taxes.
Well, no. Since all the production go to the state, they don't need taxes.

Or else I'll need you to explain me how the fuck the peasants can generate gold in Stronghold without getting paid.

>>170607195
>same start

civvies get 3000 money and state gets 500, civvies get 15 factories and state gets 2

are you just pretending to be retarded?

>>170607196
>Well, no. Since all the production go to the state, they don't need taxes.
Excuse me? That's not how a state-run economy works.

>>170607195
That's foolishness though, you're assuming that a state-run economy loses access to the factories and liquid capital, when both exist within the state to begin with. A full state economy can by definition leverage MORE, not LESS, of the internal capital and production.

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>>170607195 here

Okay, yeah, >>170607196 is closer to what I meant.

>>170607253
Are you?
Haven't I said 25% Revenue goes to state & 75% to Civvies, and only half of State revenue goes to Factory building?

And now for an 'equal start':

>>170607253
>not seizing assets for the state

>>170607371
>Haven't I said 25% Revenue goes to state & 75% to Civvies
you have, it doesn't mean anything

3000 STARTING WEALTH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TAX

it's still not equal and state is already kicking civvies ass

>>170607371
No you dumb fucking shit
1. Civilians will NEVER spend all that shit on the fleet and factories useful to you
2. That's not an equal start.
3. Where the fuck is your money going?
You have to understand that not simulating the civilian economy doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the fucking game, it means you can't interact with it. The civilian economy MUST EXIST within the fucking game, you might not see it but it's fucking there.
A fully state run economy would have the power of the civilian economy behind it because the civilian economy exists within the state economy

>>170607371
What the fuck is even happening here? Are civilians and state seperate or what? In an actual game, the current economy would be the sum of the State and the Civilians. It's not the right side right now.

>>170607708
>Are civilians and state seperate or what?
The citizen is only a part of the state. Without the state, a citizen is nothing.
Slavery is freedom.

>>170607523

>1. Civilians will NEVER spend all that shit on the fleet and factories useful to you
You (the State) are spending the taxes on the Fleet - Civvies just spend it on factories.

2. Same amount of money = equal start.
Money being the key here - yes, it is equal.

As a point of reference: in my book, State economy = State-run economy.
Basically, nationalized factories - which you usually have in games.

Oh, and:

>>170607523
>A fully state run economy would have the power of the civilian economy behind it because the civilian economy exists within the state economy

That's what I'm aiming at with the State economy here.

>>170607859
Yeah but you're retarded, see, because the the current game includes both, you wouldn't get a huge boost to your economy by simulating the civilian economy. The civilian economy is just handwaved into your actual economy right now.
I support private sector simulation but your sheet is being dishonest by making it seem like the state side is tiny compared to the civilian side when the current situation isn't stateside only.
Also, a state-run economy wouldn't lag behind a civilian economy simply because all the money is still in their hands.

>>170607928
In term of gameplay, a state-controlled economy cannot grow on its own.

>>170607948
>Yeah but you're retarded, see, because the the current game includes both, you wouldn't get a huge boost to your economy by simulating the civilian economy. The civilian economy is just handwaved into your actual economy right now.
>I support private sector simulation but your sheet is being dishonest by making it seem like the state side is tiny compared to the civilian side when the current situation isn't stateside only.
>Also, a state-run economy wouldn't lag behind a civilian economy simply because all the money is still in their hands.

Yeah, the spreadsheet is simplistic, sure - but the endresult is the same.
The current situation ISN'T stateside only?
Really? You (the player) aren't the only one giving orders to build (and pay for) Factories?

>you can't inject funds in private sector to boost it

>>170608109
>the current situation ISN'T stateside only?
It can't be, because without the simulation of a civilian economy either that economy doesn't exist (and therefore can't be simulated) or is being handwaved and incorporated, and this includes factory building. Civilians don't magically poof shit into existence either, the point would be that you represent the ENTIRE economy.

>>170608064

??? Which game?
I'm not arguing it can't grow - or that it isn't viable - I'm just arguing it's an inferior choice.

>>170608146
Sure you can.
You can also build all the State Factories you want.
The question is why would you?

>>170608195
>without the simulation of a civilian economy either that economy doesn't exist (and therefore can't be simulated) or is being handwaved and incorporated
Bingo.
Currently, it's a part of State economy.
And, again, true & possible - just not optional.

> the point would be that you represent the ENTIRE economy.
Exactly - you (the player) run the entire (State) economy.

>>170608341
Wait, we're not talking about Distant Worlds?

>>170608341
>Exactly - you (the player) run the entire (State) economy.
No, you dumbass. You, the player, run the entire economy. The Economy includes both civilian AND state economies. Do you think that civilians don't need to spend money to build shit?

>>170608386
no he's some autist who has been pushing for civilian economy in stellaris for weeks now with made up scenarios

>>170608459
If it's the corporation shit, that sounds nice. If it's communism, it isn't and too much of a pain to put in.

>>170608341
>The question is why would you?
A state economy is by definition more efficient at what it chooses to do. The question is whether or not what it chooses to do is also the correct thing to do.
In games, because shit is solveable and you know the variables, a state economy is 100% better than a civilian one, save for the extra micromanagement.

>>170608398
>You, the player, run the entire economy.

So, it's either a State economy or State-run economy & basically the same thing.
Btw: State = Government in my book - just to be clear.
National economy = State + Civilian economies.

>>170608459
>simulated civilian economy
>stellaris
Not in its current or foreseeably future state
It would require a complete gameplay overhaul

>>170608720
No, you fucking ESL dolt, stop typing like a goddamn retard.

>state economy = state run economy
You have NO FUCKING IDEA what you're talking about. The state economy refers to the part of the economy that is completely controlled by the state. The state run economy means a national economy that is heavily or completely controlled by the state.

>national economy = state + civilian economies
Yes, no shit, but because you, as the player, control the entire nation (and NOT just some abstract "government"), either there is no civilian economy to be simulated or you're also controlling the civilian economy.

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>play Children of the Dead Earth
>awesome idea for a game, really makes my dick hard
>looks like shit
>entire game shits itself if more than 10 ships are on screen at once

Jesus fucking christ, idea was awesome but who the fuck programed that shit to be choppy more than fucking Witcher 3 ?

>>170609205
the guy who insists that every single part has to be fully and accurately physically simulated

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>>170609375
Dude even then its fucking absurd.

I would keep my mouth if i was setting up 200 vs 200 ship battles, but fucking 5 vs 5 getting 2 fps and being basically unplayable ? And god help you if you ever launch drones or missles ;/

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>>170609584
>maximum atmospheric pressure
>maximum deviation in gravity
JESUS

>>170609584
oh and don't forget it has a full n-body gravity orbit simulation too, none of that conics shit for girls

>>170609801
Even then those MASSIVE problems with fps are simply absurd.

>>170602286
I just wish me finding an NPR didn't immediately fuck my game into unplayablility.

>>170610038
what cpu do you have

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>>170610183
Its not the newest shit but fuck me, Witcher 3, Fallout 4 and other far better looking games run fine for me.

>>170610183
The problem is that the game is coded poorly AND it isn't made with modern CPUs in mind. The game is coded for single core CPUs. Today's multicore CPUs are not able to handle this things because while you get MOAR CPUs, each individual one is weaker. DF has this same problem. The game can one run on one CPU and since it is so weak compared to Dual or single core CPUs of ages past, the game collapses after you do too much.

>>170610154
>I just wish me finding an NPR didn't immediately fuck my game into unplayablility.>>

How it does fuck it up ?
I enjoyed many good wars with NPR's in Aurora.

>>170610469
>Try to take a 5 days turn.
>Game takes a full minute to proceeds turn and goes to the desktop.
>When i trying to bring back up the game it takes half a minute again to return to functionality.
>Repeat.

>>170610381
>>170610430

I told you about overclocked skylakes

>>170610564
Specs ?
Turn time does indeed drags more when you have NPR's in game but not that much.
At least for me.

>inb4 works for me lol xD memes

Is there a point in ever going for my own religion in Civ6 if I'm not planning on religious victory?

>>170611929
Yeah. Keeping others from winning.

>>170605278
Your username doesn't need to be your actual name

is Civ6 playable yet? Fuck me for getting DD and dropping it like a rock after ~100h

>>170606000
If they had genocied in moderation they would have gotten away with it

>>170610154
turn off the NPR from beginning, just let the NPR generate as you explore or you will get FPS raped.

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>>170614852
>Your username doesn't need to be your actual name

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>>170614852
>Your username doesn't need to be your actual name.

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>>170614852
My eyes have been opened.

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>>170614852
>Your username doesn't need to be your actual name

>>170619121
>>170618938
>>170618708
>>170618543
kys

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>>170619239
``No''.

>>170605278
>Windows XP

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>>170614852
>Your username doesn't need to be your actual name.

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>>170618543
>>170618708
>>170618938
>>170619121
>>170619572
I don't understand

>>170619720
He's implying that you can have a username that is NOT your name.
Isn't that ground-breaking?

>>170619720
dumb samefag who thinks he's gonna make the next epic meme.

>>170619873
Yeah and I was saying that in response to someone worried about his name popping up because it's his username, fuckwit.

>>170619720
autism

>>170620019
>"I was saying"
>on 4chan
Oh, so you speak to your computer?

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RIP /civ4x/

tfw there are people in this very thread who don't use their full name as a nickname on the internet

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>>170622996

>>170622996
xD

>>170623863
Only underages do that.
>My name is xXX_LEGOLAS_666_XXx and I'm, like, super epic and stuff

>>170622996
>>170623974
please stop trying to do sarcasm.

>>170624208
Oh, I'm "sorry" for not conforming to your narrow vision of the world.

>>170624432
lol

>>170609375
Wait seriously? Ships have top speeds, that in and of itself is not physically realistic.

>>170624657
chode is fully newtonian

if by "top speed" you mean the maximum it can accelerate to without running out of fuel, every real spacecraft has that top speed too

>>170624760
>>170624657

oh wait I just realized you're another retard who can't read. the discussion is NOT about aurora

>>170624760
No, I don't. Ships in Aurora 4x have top speeds they can't accelerate past that they get up to the moment you tell them to start moving at that speed.
To be *fair* though, everything in that game is made of Trans-Newtonian materials explicitly to hand-wave away physics shit like that.

>>170624847
Oh. I've never heard of Children of a Dead Earth, Given that he used an Aurora picture, I assumed he was talking about his empire's theme.

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>>170624852
>Trans-Newtonian materials

>>170624956
Whats wrong with TN materials ?

>>170624852
I always imagined that ships in Aurora have built in inertial dampner hence why there is a top speed for them. Shhip could go faster but crew wouldn't be alive at that point.

>>170625104
speed and acceleration are different

speed won't kill you

>>170625104
I have no idea what the fuck this is and it pisses me off.

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>>170625226
Materials allowing for building advanced space crafts like super dense alloys, super efficient fuel from Sorium etc.

>>170625214
But given the way Aurora ships manouver, their speed = acceleration.

>>170625735
Da fuck is Sorium?

>>170625226
>I have no idea what the fuck this is and it pisses me off.
Bullshit, probably, but non-newtonian fluids / solids are a thing.

>>170626152
Transnewtonian material that is used to make fuel for ships and missiles.

>>170626152
Magic rocks.

What difficulty is normal difficulty in CIV 6? I mean the one where nobody gets no extra bonus.

I want to try to play peacefully for once.

>>170629271
according to the wiki it's prince, just like in civ 5

>>170629383
Call me Prince then.

Who is a good peaceful leader? Only Gandhi?

>>170629714
anyone who doesn't rely on some military gimmick? they all mostly have some kind of economic bonus too

>>170629271
>civ6
>peaceful
pick one.

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>wipe out shaka early game because the game put the little shit next to me
>everyone hates me
>4 cunts declare war at the same time
this warmongering shit is ridiculous

>no gratuitous space battles type game with the same ship design depth as wayward terran frontier or stardrive

>>170602931
>an FWB
>an friend
These things always reveal themselves.

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And so it begins ...

Freeworld Alliance, confederacy of US, South American countries and surviving democratic European states led by charismatic Max Finch stands against both the world wide muslim Caliphate, build on the ruins of France, Germany, Swden and UK and Middle East as well against Asian Trade Coalition, Chinese dominated alliance of Asiatic countries.

Treaty of Reykjavík imposed a 12 years long truce between the factions but after that its a fair game.

Let the game begin.

>>170632423
>suddenly I'M the bad guy

>>170632423
Making AI diplomacy good is too hard for Firaxis it seems

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Redpill me on Civ VI is it good yet or should i stick with V?

>>170638346
they're both shit

>>170638346
Wait for expansion. I know I am.

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>>170635961
First batch of 10 Sentinel Defence bases are to be finished in 4 years.
This should ensure the security of Alliance citizens from any Caliphate/ATC attack.

So, I feel like starting myself an Atreides/Fremen theocratic empire.

F Spirit and mil, Feb mil and spirit, or something else? The spice must flow.

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>>170642441
Meanwhile sandniggers are putting more ship into orbit with each month.

Time for some missile tech to blow those fuckers up.

>>170643495
>the spice must flow
didn't the book end with them cutting off the spice supply to the rest of the universe? or something. been a while. I know that's a spicers guild saying

either way, spiritual something, psi drives are a must for dune theming

>>170643664
Paul threatens to as a bargaining chip that secures him the throne, because he totally could and if he did civilization as the rest of the galaxy knew it would collapse.

>>170643925
desu they had another methods of FTL, namely AI's but those were taboo thanks to Butlerian's Jihad.
In need they could always use them, especially as a short time measure.

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>>170643545
Mjolnir class Missile Base, a quick equalizer against growing Caliphate Navy.

>inb4 lame - its a very temporary measure

What mods would you recommend now that I've played Stellaris a couple times on vanilla?

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>>170645392
Pre Ftl players
Civilian trade
Dedicated planets
multiple simultaneous ( ? ) Crisises
Food import export
Home system colonization
better military bases ( i cant remember how that one is called )
Less biased neighbouring systems
more random homeworld
No sector mod

Essentials basically.

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>>170645619
>multiple simultaneous

>>170644082
They could use Ixian navigation, sure, but the entire aristocracy and then some would go into immediate substance withdrawal and lose the only thing granting them long life. The established power structure would have been almost immediately decapitated.

>>170645749
Is that a reaction to my atrocious spelling or to the mod itself ?

>>170645619
Thanks m8

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>>170645072
Truce is almost at the end.
ATC built their first ships, while Caliphate navy continues to grow..

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>>170645749
you know you wanna purge the swarm, oppress the machine and desecrate the daemon

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>>170647208
Caliphate granted me trade access..
Fuck that shit, im planning on liberating Earth from your brown asses, i ain't trading shit.

Is anyone else disinclined to play Stellaris until 1.5 releases next month?

I am fond of riflemen.

>>170651023
I'm disinclined to play it ever again.

>>170651023
im happy playing it here and there so i can compare it after 1.5 + DLC drops

Has anyone played an online game for Civ VI? What should I expect going into one of those?

For the record, I've never played an online match in a Civ game.

>>170652468
I played online once. The other guy ragequits after 15 turns.

I want an Aurora/chode/4x/GSG using only real materials (like chode)

>>170648024
I'm amazed by how that doesn't look like a game at all.

>>170652941

Does that seem to be the norm? Honestly, I'm more worried that I'll just get bored after 30 turns and quit prematurely. I know that there are scenarios that have less than 100 turns but I have absolutely no idea how those would look with human players.

>>170653459
You could play pre-trans-Newtonian Aurora but of course that would be retarded.

>>170645619
leave no survivor

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also the guy who made Aurora is remaking it in C#. It will remove all the limitations of the VB6 and the slowdowns. Also a lot of changes

http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=e2137f607402bb60690c2aa9853fa206&board=234.0

>>170654806
>also the guy who made Aurora is remaking it in C#. It will remove all the limitations of the VB6 and the slowdowns. Also a lot of changes
Alleluia.

>>170654806
>>170655068
C# isn't magic, the nigger sucks at making games software, and works extremely slowly, it's unlikely to be much of an improvement if it ever even releases

>>170655738
He already reported performance increases in the order of 100 times

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>>170655738
Dude he made it in VB6, the whole slowdown is due to the limitations of it.

>>170656179

I think he reported that the performance increased more then 1000 times I think.

Montezuma declared war on me so I systematically raped every woman and young boy in his country and salted the earth and burned everything to the ground and now everyone thinks I'm a warmonger REEEEEEE FIRAXIS FIX YOUR DIPLOMACY

>>170657272
I don't like this meme

>>170657272

Casus belli implies jus in bello, otherwise we're no different from the barbarians.

There are plenty of edgy topical current day parallels I want to draw but I know you're just messing.

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Is it wrong if I enslave a primitive race of aliens?

>>170660063
why would it be wrong?
they receive protection under a real ruler

>>170660063
In the long run they will be better off.

>>170660063
Yes, because it is inefficient. Managing slaves is expensive, and slaves don't produce as much as properly-motivated workers.

>>170661193
Early game slaves outproduce normal workers. It takes time to stack up those happiness bonuses to get pops with 90%+ happiness bonuses. Slaves don't scale well into mid game though, and the more of them you acquire the bigger the risk of a devastating slave revolt that could fuck up your entire empire's economy. Long term, stacking bonuses to happiness and lowering ethics divergence makes for an obscenely prosperous empire.

>>170661605
slaves + slave centers + very strong + industrious make fuck off huge mineral production

>>170662003
Yeah by stacking happiness bonuses gives you bonus to all production, including research, which is vital going into late game. That's why happy free pops > slaves in the long run.

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>moving all system bodies, including moons, asteroids, etc (60,000 objects in 500 systems), plus moving all associated fleets, contacts, etc in orbit.
>VB6 Aurora: 3 mins 20 secs
>C# Aurora: 0.1 secs
AYY LMAO

so what are the CIV VI tier lists

I'm getting fucking wrecked at Company of Heroes. Any advice?

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>>170663890
What are you getting wrecked by?

>>170663890
Play more, and get friends to play with.

>>170665375
Nazi tanks. I can do fine against the infantry, it's simple : use riflemen against volksgrenadiers, jeep against snipers, and mortars against buildings.

But once tanks start popping up, I can't follow.

>>170665518
Get Jacksons and Zooks. Don't rely on rifle grenades at all.

>>170665647
Jacksons and Zooks?

>>170665685
Get Jackson tank busters, and Bazookas for your riflemen

>>170665786
Ha, okay. I'll try that next time.

I guess there's no way to just turn tanks off, right?

>>170666221
No there is not, it's better to learn how to deal with them than avoid them. As well, the USF is a pretty difficult army to learn with, Brits or Russians are much stronger. Just because you have to micromanage USF tanks so much because their armor is trash.

>>170666362
Well, I don't have Russians in Company of Heroes, just the Americans, the Britbongs, the Nazis, and the Super Nazis.

>you have to micromanage USF tanks so much because their armor is trash
Huh? I thought americans tanks were sturdier than the others.

>>170666561
Compared to Comets in the British armor, and compared to German panthers, they are really bad. A Pershing can barley go toe to toe with a panther. If your talking about COH1 then idk about it that much, but COH2 it's like that.

>>170666735
I'm talking about Company of Heroes.
But you may be right, I tried making some tanks, they got massively slaughtered by the German Panzers.

>>170666561
Russians aren't in Coh1

American tanks in coh1 are more hybrids, you simply can't rely on them to do enough damage alone. so you need to mix in some at guns and bazookas.

>>170666879
Just try and keep tank destroyers in the back line, and get vision on their tank with infantry. Your tank destroyers should out range normal tanks.

>>170666981
>>170667003
Okay, so as an American, I DON'T use tanks to fight tanks. Got it.

Guess I'll use the anti-tanks cannons and bazookas a lot more. Is it viable to use infantry against tanks, or am I supposed to use them anyway?

>>170667112
If you have multiple tanks try to flank around and hit them in the back.

>>170667112
As long as they have bazookas, yes. You can also try and bait enemy tanks into a trap, have your tanks go behind and get those sweet rear armor shots.

>>170667301
Well, in my first game, they actually had more tank than I did, and they were the big, scary, hulking type. The huge, uberpanzer type.
But I'm still discovering the game so far. I haven't tried the brits or the elite panzer nazi.
I'm scared of the elite panze division to be honest.

>>170667659
Here are a few tidbits.
>the builders don't stay at the base, have them moving forward
>sandbags are better to stop infantry than barbed wires, but sadly work as cover for them
>mortars are slow to set up but at really good for psychological warfare against a human opponent
>same with snipers, people tend to focus on them
>the more holes a house has, the more people can shoot from there
>machineguns are deadly against uncovered infantry but are useless against vehicles, even light-armored one
>if you're gaining the advantage, don't let it go, the enemy will counter attack with tanks
>don't play around like in Age of Empires or Supreme Commander, you can perfectly make a comeback if you're not finished
>not all commandants are balanced : picking infantry commandant as an allied and then staling is not a good idea, you're supposed to rush
>as a German, don't bother picking anything else than Blitzkrieg

>>170669846
Oh yeah, and snipers aren't that good. Don't put too much hope on them, they're not one-man armies.

>>170667659
Rangers my dude, Rangers

>>170671436
Aren't they limited to para commandant?

Anyway, I really like how different the factions are. I played vanilla Company of Heroes years ago and was vaguely aware that an expansion added the British, and that their HQ was moving, but I didn't know the infantry system was also different with the officer system.

I wish there was a Star Wars game like that like with Stromtroopers fighting Rebel scum.

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rolling up a new start to stellaris ad im wondering if wormhole generators are worth it?

>>170676104
Wormholes are hard to use if all you're used to is warp and hyperlane. Exploring is going to be slower and you won't be able to chase enemy fleets around like you're used to. Assuming you understand how wormhole travel works in the game, you'll want to be sparing with your generators in the early game. The energy cost for them is tiny, but it adds up pretty quick when your energy income is only in the single digits. Generally you'll want a wormhole generator in every system you have a colony or outpost, plus generators as way-points for longer distance travel, placed at the edge of your jump range (these can later be removed when you upgrade your wormhole tech and increase your jump range). A key thing is negotiating wormhole access with other empires, which isn't that hard to get as long as they don't hate your guts and have open borders with you. I also like to build generators at the homeworlds of any vassals or allies I have so I can quickly come to their aid if necessary.

>>170676104
Is this a meme?

Wormholes are the only good starting option

Please explain why Stellaris does not have technologies or modifiers that reduce construction time

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>>170677441
you wot?

>>170677441
Upgrading spaceports (and using some spaceport modules) makes them build ships faster.

Governors make planets and sectors construct buildings "slightly" faster (with extra emphasis on slight).

And that's about all I can think of.

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>>170677441

>>170677889
>>170677784
I stand corrected

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>>170678089

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>Marco thrilled with his patchy teenage beard that took him weeks to grow
Adorable. He'll wish he could go back to that when he's shaving every day.

>>170678332
You're a long way from /co/, friend.

>>170677441
pls explain why you are so dumb
there are planetary edicts or whatever they are called to speed up construction time and also tech to research as well as repeatable tech to research late game that speeds up construction time

>>170677784
but there reason to assume that there are eight dimensions

Are there any good general tips at how to conduct myself for certain kinds of victory in Civ V? Build orders and the like, or certain policies of play like devote a certain city to a certain task, always take Tradition, or when in doubt, build a military unit because EVENTUALLY that one guy who keeps taking capitals is coming across the water?

I know the Incas are really good and I like their terrace farm, but what should I know if I want to win?

>>170678332
What

>>170679757
Which is why the Horizon Signal pyramid gives more physics.

pls post stellaris tips on warfare.
I keep getting stomped by a vastly superior number of enemy ships.

>>170681692
>asking for warfare tips when you tell us you're having economy problems

No

>>170681692
Don't go to war with people who have more ships than you.

>>170681692
Be the guy with the superior numbers.

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Is fucking forward settling the only thing game designers know to do? FFS, the 1st 3 empires I found in my most recent game of Stelklaris had put a fucking frontier outpost in my direction

>>170685997
yes

>>170681692
Hold shift for focused movement

>>170681692
build more ships
research better tech
kinetics and plasma ftw

>>170685997
>getting forward settled by the AI
>not forward settling them

>>170685997
>start game of stellaris
>rush colony, fuck research and research stations otherwise
>colonize EVERYTHING
>when ran out of space of influence mass up corvets and god'forbid destroyers with your ifnlated nacv.capacity then conquer the faggots around you
>now you own 1/4 of the galaxy by volume and once you buildt all stations in your area you can shit out a fleet from zero before the enemy that foolishly but surely warred you even finishes capturing 1 planet
>war all your neighbours again and now you own half the galaxy with a fleet second only to FEs
>bonus points if you dont even have cruisers/battleships researched yet at this point
>repeat last step every 10 years

>>170681692
set apart 4 planets for shpi production
build n X-assebly yard one type of each
grab as much area as you can as son as possible, then build minig stations before everything else
if surrounded by faggots, offer your ass for one of them and suck his dick for non-aggression and defensive pacts

>>170690526
wat?

>>170693248
He said HOLD SHIFT FOR FOCUSED MOVEMENT

Also, hold alt to strafe.

>>170695447
press alt+f4 to save sanity

>>170680139
How does one get the Horizon Signal?
I've played like 4 games in 1.4 and never gotten it or any of the events that might concievably lead to it.

>>170656863
what limitations? it's just basic

the whole slowdown is due to writing directly to a relational database every single turn

>>170693038
>min/maxing the exact same game every time

why?

>>170697058
Just be on the look out for Black Holes, I've been on a HS-absent streak recently as well.

>>170697395
the fuck else is to do in this shitheap?

How do I keep stellaris from getting boring after 50 years. It slows down so much after the initial exploration and expansion.

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>>170662432
>mfw

>>170698851
Mods or play something else because Stellaris is shit.

My fleet got stuck in the warp jump on the enemy territory and after war ended moved to the centre of the galaxy and dissappeared.
It's been 2 years now, i'm not sure what to do since it was my biggest fleet.

>>170698851

You wait for Utopia, then play it for 100 hours in a week

>>170700748
t.wiz

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>tfw Utopia never

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> take screenshots for 11 months
> only figure out how to disable the HUD today
I am not a smart man

>>170700748
Utopia doesnt fix jack shit though

>>170701913
how

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>>170701321

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>>170702406
Ctrl+F9

>>170702925
eugenics are so cool guys am I edgy yet haha glug glug glug xD I am sooo drunk

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> enlighten new protectorate empire
> has exactly the same galactic map colour as the nation that surrounds it

>>170702962
>being so assmad about eugenics

I am sorry about your scoliosis pham

>>170702962
t. Swede
I don't know how anyone could come away from Stellaris without realising an impure nation is a ruined nation.

>>170703030
>t. Swede
Fun fact
Swedes had a eugenics program running till the 70s

>>170702962
>waaa how dare people having different opinions than me
There's nothing wrong with eugenics. It even makes sense to improve your strength when facing dirty ayyys.

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>>170702962
> getting raped in fleet size by AE
> find my first pre-sentients in the game
> all other efforts to catch up with the Gox have been met with failure
> decide to go By Any Means Necessary and change from being a Peaceful Grumpy Capitalist xenophobe to being a purge-every-xeno-and-replace-with-this-new-thrifty-uplift-slave-race in a hail-Mary attempt to boost my economy
> change empire name and government type to RP reflect this change in strategy
> "LOL SO EDGY MEME XD"

I-I was just trying to have fun

>>170703105
Some would argue that they're still doing it, though the desired traits are certainly different.
RIP

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>>170703253
>having fun

>>170703253
Don't bother with the tumblrite. It's just getting triggered.

How do i deal with Unbidden?
My regular "a lot of torps+a lot of PD" build seems to have no effect on them

>>170703872
REMOVE
SHIELD

>>170660063
Exterminate the slaves and replace with robots

>>170703872
Arc Emitters

>>170703912
But torpedoes are shit removal incarnated
>>170704000
I don't have them yet. Will desintagrators work?

>>170704140
>he doesnt have torpvettes and rock-throwers

You deserve everything

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>>170704140
>I don't have them yet. Will desintagrators work?
No.
The Unbidden rek you because they have god-tier evasion, an advantage that arc emitters negate because they have 100% accuracy. Disintegrators do not have 100% accuracy and therefore are not fit for this purpose.

>>170704331
>>170704140
Remember laddie
Accuracy by volume
When you cant hit something you fire more times so you get more chances
So high rate of fire and shield damage = kinetics
Put so much lead in the air that you are bound to hit something.
Refined tactics require refined techs, if you dont have them, result to good 'ol artillery barrage

>>170704447
YOU SEE IVAN
IF YOU SHOOT, YOU MISS
SO IF YOU SHOOT MORE, YOU MISS LESS OFTEN

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>>170704447
>maxed out rockets and torps
>arty is 3 lvl max

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>>170704540
>The Handbook of the Machine Gunner
>Chapter 1

>Be a chill guy from the start
>So chill Gandhi wants to be friends with me
>Found city in what I think is a clear
>Comes out I was close to Germany
>Germany is pissed because they don't like Gandhi and I founded a city next to them
>Friendship with Gandhi ends and he doesn't want to renew it despite being in a friendly relationship with me
>War against Germany and India next turn
I am going to have so much fun nuking them in the end game.

>>170704662
Is that Medal Of Honor's manual?

>>170704662
>that passive agressive nuu uh written in red ink

Is that some sjw parody or what ?

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>>170704705
>>170704817
Dont know, I picked it up from /k/, I think its supposed to be some kind of essay
>>170704595
>>arty is 3 lvl max
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE

>>170704705
>>170704817
That's some SCP crap. An operations manual for a task force that deals with supernatural shit written by a batshit crazy Russian.

>>170704679
Is Gandhi still a warmongering genocidical maniac?

>>170705001
Oh, so it's a fanfic.

>>170704662
>>170704971
where's the one about driving tanks? I love that one.

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>>170705165
>>170704971

Finally,
I found the collage

>>170705050
he's nicer, but could snap at any time

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>>170705253
Makes me want to play STALKER.

>>170700436
Which mods though, the only one that gets talked about here is more ethics and governnment types.

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>>170705253
now I feel like I need to be redpilled on chechens

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Fuuark, sandniggers are really stepping it up.
I will have to smoke them soon if i dont want to be overrun.

>>170705436
see >>170645619

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>>170704971
>not maxing space rocket arty
ROCKET DOESN'T MISS
ROCKET WILL FIND CHECHEN EVEN AT THE OTHER STAR SYSTEM

>>170632465
try polaris sector

>>170706431
do you have to wire up power conduits, radiators, ammo feeds, maintenance corridor access and control circuitry in that though?

>>170706431
>little pindots on the battle map
>atrocious ui
>insane pull out your hair fighter micro

>>170706595
No, but now I have to try gratuitous space battles

>>170706595
You don't do that in Gratuitous Space Battles either.

>>170707480
Trya again reading message >>170632465 more carefully.

>>170708114
You can't do that in StarDrive either.

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>>170708242
>>170707387
>>170707480
>>170708114
wayward terran frontier

should I get civ 6 or just get Civ 5 complete edition

>>170708702
Civ 5 complete edition

>crisp sprites instead of kids toy looking 3d shit
why was Civ III so much superior, lads

>>170708770
Thanks anon

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Morning lads,

My friend gifted me a legit version of Stellaris and Civ 6 on steam as a late Christmas present.
I'm really enjoying both of them, but the DLC seems a bit too expensive for what it's offering - yet my friend says it's worth picking up.

If I used cs.rin.ru to pirate the DLCs for both Stellaris and Civ 6, would they both work on multiplayer games?
I've used to cs.rin.ru to pirate all of the DLC for CK2 (legit steam) and that worked like a charm.

Thanks in advance.

>>170709480
Generally for paradox games, if the game is hosted by someone with the DLC everyone gets to use the features. So you don't need to pirate for that.

>>170709607
Ah right okay.

So even if I did pirate the DLC for Stellaris, i'd still be able to play with my friend who has all the DLC?

Does the process of installing the pirate DLC into your directory stop/block online connection, like multiplayer?
Or am i just worrying about nothing?

>>170709749
>Or am i just worrying about nothing?
You are.

>>170709749
When you install mods, developper know. When you pirate, developper get signal saying you did not pay, and kill squad is sent to you home.
You pay, no problem.
You no pay, you get Ivan visit you and hit you with bayonet.

If you woman, Ivan no hit you with bayonet, but Ivan bend you over and you scream. Sometimes too if you child.

>>170708936
are you implying that civ 5's golden age art deco aesthetic isn't GOAT?

>>170710301
>wasting your time with a "waa waa everything was better before, 3D sucks" retard

If you want strategy games, there's a sale : http://store.steampowered.com/sale/slitherine_midweek/

>>170710596
>huge sale on Distant Worlds
I'm really hesitating. What are its biggest flaws?

>>170710743
shitty ship editor, plays itself, no gravity wells, no multiplayer, unreadable text on some machines

>tfw can't start a war when my fleet is inside enemy borders
I just wanted to Pearl Harbor these stupid bird people

>>170710828
That doesn't sound that bad. The "unreadable text" does bother me. Is there no UI scale option?

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>>170710887

>>170710973
none whatsoever, can't even change the resolution since it's always borderless at your desktop res

>>170709480
>My friend gifted me a legit version of Stellaris and Civ 6 on steam as a late Christmas present.


She is fucking other people and wants you to stay occupied

>>170645619
>>170705479
Thanks, I missed that Post.

>>170710743
There are no glaring flaws.
This guy >>170710828
is full of shit mostly ( game does indeed lack MP and gravity wells have no effect ).

>>170711230
>She is fucking other people and wants you to stay occupied
But its his friend, not gf, why would he care if she fucks someone ?

>>170711835
>gravity wells have no effect
Not that guy, but are gravity wells supposed to do anything? Don't you just float in space?

>>170711835
I missread
Damn you Freud

>>170711835
2 out of 5 points is a pretty big chunk

if you go to google you'll find many people have the text issue
3/5
the game does play itself, you can put full automation and leave it on and the AI will play for you as if it was an NPC empire
4/5
ship editor is a matter of opinion, but I do think it lacks easy part categories and the endless list of ship graphics that you can only scroll slowly through that have no relation to the actual function and size of the ship is pretty horrible

what's "mostly" full of shit about 4 or 5 out of 5 right?

>>170712051
>if you go to google you'll find many people have the text issue
Even through the text thing makes sense, bringing google into it is stupid. If you go to google, you'll find male people believing they're pregnant, or teenagers thinking they have Asperger.

>>170711936
they don't inhibit FTL, so enemy fleets can basically teleport directly to your homeworld, kinda puts a dampener on how satisfying combat is

>>170712138
Gravity wells are supposed to inhibit FTL?

>>170711936
Depends on a lore of the game universe.
In some SF settings gravity well disables hyperdrive etc.

I actually had an idea to make mod like that for DW - mod where you would have to travel to system outskirts on normal engines before engaging hyperdrive but its impossible to do on that engine IIRC.

>>170712051
>if you go to google you'll find many people have the text issue
Yes and there are options to enlarge this text.

>the game does play itself, you can put full automation and leave it on and the AI will play for you as if it was an NPC empire
No it does not.
It has an OPTION of playing itself with great detailed auto option that can be tweaked to your hearts content.
I personally play on full manual.

>ship editor is a matter of opinion, but I do think it lacks easy part categories and the endless list of ship graphics that you can only scroll slowly through that have no relation to the actual function and size of the ship is pretty horrible
It could use some sorting, thats it.
Its like Aurora lite, its not lame like Stellaris where ship can have only x weapons, y engines etc.

>>170712138
There is a hyperdrive inhibiting tech but its kinda down the tech tree - they are incrediblyy handy when dealing with pirates tho.

So how do you pull ahead in science wihtout gimping yourself lategame?

Adding more planets=territory fucks your science up, but without it you get steamrolled into submission due to lack of funding.