/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

>>170892331
>get spotted
>"f-f-f-fcuk off because muh feelings"

>>170892428
True. Valkyria Chronicles and Advance War are closer to puzzle games than real strategy. Same with Homeworld, it's not strategy.

2nd for genocide

>>170892685
>get spotted
OP told me to keep it in the other thread so I'm not going to argue about the definitions anymore, but I hope you realize that there's loads of people here who frequent /gsg/.

>>170892738
>I'm not going to argue
>but I'll whine anyway because I'm autistic
Lol okay. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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5th for Steel Division

>>170892685
>Valkyria Chronicles and Advance War are closer to puzzle games than real strategy
>being an actual 'everything that I don't like isn't real strategy' pro
m8
>>170892809
I told you to keep it in the last thread you cancerous faggot, it'll still live for another 30 minutes.

>>170892809
I've been here for longer than you have and will be here when you're long gone, redditor. Unless you succeed in fucking 4chan further down the hole, then maybe I'm out.

>>170892928
What happened to "I'm fucking off because I can't argue"? Oh, right, you're a liar on top of everything else.

>>170892971
When did I say I'm fucking off? Are you high now?

>>170892985
A liar on top of being autistic. What a nice combo.

>>170893039
ok

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SO HOW ABOUT THEM STRATEGIES
ANY CIV V MOD REMAKES YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO FOR CIV VI, OR MAYBE JUST NEW MODS THAT LOOKS PROMISING?

>>170893069
4x isn't a definition for the genre, it's a description of the genre, a marketing one at that

look at how things are actually done, board game like tiles, the city management, typically turn based, the research, diplomacy, even the goodie huts etc.

games can deviate from this formula and still have enough familiar mechanics to label it 4X

whereas grand strategy games tend to not have cities in the same sense but has production spread all over the map

>>170893269
pls just talk about something else like >>170893093

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>>170893093
>ANY CIV V MOD REMAKES YOU'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO FOR CIV VI

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>>170893372
I'm enjoying it

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>trying to argue against /gsg/ be like

>>170893480
ON THE ELEVENTH OF NOVEMBER AN INDEPENDENT STATE

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>>170893597
>/gsg/ are civilized romans
>people arguing against them are niggers

>>170893727
>niggers
Back to /pol/.

>>170893727
Rome fell against 1) Barbarian hordes and 2) Itself.
So I guess you got it pretty spot on there.

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>>170893597
>trying to argue against /gsg/ be like

>>170893802
Nigger please

>>170893727
>Romans
>self-absorbed decadent faggot who fucked little boys and spent more time fighting each others than fighting the barbarians
Seems accurate.

>>170893975
t. G*rman

>>170893727
>>170893840
>>170893917
>get banned yesterday for calling someone snownigger
>all this

Why are mods such faggots?

>>170894218
I have no idea why you would have gotten banned for that.

>>170894513
I've been banned for nigger and other dumb shit too

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Hey mod, you're a fucking nigger lmao.

>>170894218
Mod was probably a snownigger

>>170894609
I once got banned for talking about Japanese beer on /jp/. Namely Tsing Tao.

Still haven't figured out why, beer is pretty otaku.

>>170894710
Tsingtao is Chinese beer though you dumbass.

I have a question for people more savvy at Civ6 than me.

I play with Barbarians turned off because I am a gigantic throbbing pussy who wants to simply pursue a Science victory. Late in my latest game a whole load of random Barbarian units, some being pretty fucking advanced, spawned and attacked Jerusalem, who was my nearest city-state neighbour.

Why the fuck did these guys spawn even though they were turned off from the get go? It wasnt a problem or anything, I sent some Modern Armour to crush them but I was just perplexed as to why they existed in the first place

Any thoughts?

>>170894782
Those are rebels, I'm pretty sure.

>>170894738
>otakus are all japanese
Yeah, right.

>>170894782
barbarians are super fucking easy how big of a pussy do you have to be

>>170894840
...well no, but Otaku culture is Japanese only.

>>170894857
Not in Civ VI to be honest, depending on your luck
Especially if you play on Marathon, you get insane shit like 2 horse archers every 3 turns when it takes you ten to create a warrior

>>170894857
As I said, a gigantic, throbbing pussy.

I just want my sweet science.

>>170894892
>barbarians don't scale with game length
>playing on marathon

>>170894956
If they do, their scaling is kind of broken
Mind you they're only 'hard' at the very beginning of the game because of how many there are, esp. if they spawn next to Horses or Iron.

>>170894859
>Otaku culture is Japanese only
Then why are they all speaking English in /jp/?

And where can I talk about Romance of the Three Kingdoms, then?

>>170895053
>RotK
/eagg/? /his/? Not /jp/ you faggot, lurk the fuck moar. Actually just Get Out of /jp/, don't have muh marisa image ready but imagine it.

>>170895159
Who the fuck is Marisa?

>>170895493
get out of /jp/ faggot

>>170894738
arr rook shame

>Found a (human) colony
>Within year it's entirely populated by lizardmen

open borders treaty was a mistake

>>170896576
>no deportation edict

>>170895053
>where can I talk about Romance of the Three Kingdoms, then?
/fgog/ :v)

>>170896576
Just like real life

>>170895053
>>>/r/eddit

>>170896576
>found colony
>fully functioning and productive within a year
>mistake

>>170896576
>agreeing to (((migration treaties)))

>can't spread your culture with taqqiya

>>170895553
>>170895159
Hey, /jp/ why is Yuuka so popular?

>>170899901
Because she got raped by bugs or something.

>>170882483
fell asleep after I posted originally, but its because after playing dow 3 beta, it just feels like dow 1 but a bit shittier in some ways, a bit better in others it really isn't moba related at all. Some people said that but when they played the closed beta their opinion changed instantly. It has a ton of issues but thats okay.

What's the deal with the gas giant dwellers? Do they keep using player's empire for taxi service?

>>170895553
>>170895159
Hye /jp/, why is Hatate so hated?

>>170909419
I have no idea what their significance is, but they're incredibly annoying. It's only like six or seven quests anyway.

>>170909730
Hatates gonna hatate

>>170909730
Because her butt is sexy.

>>170909419
Devs are shit at making fun events or an interesting diplomacy system, so they just make fetch-quests in a fucking grand strategy game.

Same deal with the Nomads. They ask to shit out their pops on a random planet and I say sure, and as soon as they leave I immediately enslave them, because the aim of the devs was just to poop an AI empire right in the middle of yours.

They really really really need a diplomacy system in Stellaris that isn't glorified "GIBS ME DAT".

>>170910868
>glorified "GIBS ME DAT".
That's what diplomacy is in real life, so I think you're expecting too much.

>>170911613
>what is blackmail
>what is spying
>what is bluffing
>what are favors
>what is loyalty

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>>170911721
>loyalty
>tfw will never forget based automatons sticking with me right to the end in my first game of ES

they betrayed me the very next turn after winning but it's really cool that they aren't completely driven by this "player about to win declare war grrr" mentality, enough so they can stay loyal to the end.

>>170912305
>they betrayed me
If there's one thing I learned with strategy games, it's that the AI cannot be trusted.

>>170912617
it wasn't until after I had won though, so they could be trusted, it was possible for their loyalty to exceed the bullshit win thing

>>170911613
I don't think so. It's just that Stellaris is crippled by the lack of in-game currency, and so you're just trading resources back and forth. That makes it impossible to parlay in any meaningful manner, because resources are capped and eventually the AI will have so much of them it won't care what you have to say about anything. Trading dies. So the late-game is just AI blobbing up into federations and then staring at each other.

Late game crises aren't an issue either when you can win by attacking immediately, which most AI federations do now. So dreams of having a long drawn-out decades long epic war aren't going to happen.

>>170914959
So in short, others factions are just markets.

>>170914959
>So dreams of having a long drawn-out decades long epic war aren't going to happen

War in Heaven seems to go forever

>TW mentioned last thread
Let's just say it's not gs for the sake of the general remaining separate please.

>>170916086
Markets that you can fight.

>>170918191
Really shitty market then.

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How do I fix this?

>>170919470
>AI offering 1 for 1

This literally never happens to me and every time I try to suggest that myself they call it "Unacceptable", it's infuriating

>>170920058
>AI offers 1 resource for one resource
ok
>THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!
Then why are you offering you dumb cunt

>>170920058
Happens to me all the time in that game
Probably because I am shitting minerals on early game harder than I have ever managed to do even on mid game in other games

>200 per month on 2240
I dont even know what to do with them, I dont have terraforming tech and my largest ships are destroyers that cost like 150 min

ded

>>170921124
>>170920058
>the post was about Civ
>i only now realised

Eh
Whatever to bump the thread I guess

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Thanks for the help faggots

>>170923667
?

>>170914959
what are energy credits if not currency?

>>170914959
What are you trading for tho?
Ive never traded anything with the ai except tech in any 4x game ever

>>170925725
>have too much energy, not enough minerals
>buy minerals
>need strategic resource to build certain thing
>trade something you have in excess
>need luxuries to get bonus

etc.

>>170925545
My current financial planning is
>stack up max energy credits through trading minerals
>go to war
>enforce peace just before going bunkrupt
>repeat

I find it more efficient

>>170926173
Get more armies and you'll be able to win wars in half as much time.

>>170927210
Just 3 armie groups
>1 titan
>2 space muhrines
>2 xenomorphs
>4 clone warriors

Madnuss
Dont even have to wait for planet fortifications to go down

>>170917467
>This thread is for all strategy games that do not have their own thread

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Is Civ 5 this slow to load or is it my toaster toasting

>>170930786
Modded Civ 5 is incredibly slow to load on single core computers and those running 32bit instead of 64.

>>170930786

I'll take no.2 for 500, Alex.

>>170930786
As far as I remember all civs were slow to load
>i stopped on IV

Is V any good?

>>170931454
no

>>170931617
I mean apart from the 4chan-we-hate-everything thing

I really liked the whole religion/civics thing on IV
Did V moved more towards this direction?

>>170931776
it didn't even include them in the base game

there's a demo, just try that

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>>170931962
>it didn't even include them in the base game


I havent played civ for years and this made me mad

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>see that first encampment
>shouldn't be a problem
>rush my legions in
>there is a second encampment right behind the first
N-NANI?!

>>170932291
>death stacking
>not scouting ahead

gsg community everyone

>>170932487
don't be too hard on them, they're used to 3X games

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>>170932487
>>170932548
What are you two even on about?

>>170932548
I get mad everytiem

>EU4
>waaah war is a chase game
>its the games fault I didnt make a solid front and deathstacked

>Stellaris
>waaah the enemy fleet is warping around and I get stuck in mining stations
>its the games fault i didnt send 3-4 corvs on evasive mode from my 100k doomstack to look around and expand my sensor range

>>170932487
>not building stations around every neutralised enemy planet during wartime

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>>170932993
How exactly will we fix Stellaris combat my fabulous 4x comrades?

>>170933449
1. remove doomstacks
2. require ftl from the correct side of the system, like in sins

>>170933449
>>170933650

>max combat width
>able to ignore targets and to manuever in sublight speed under fire for extra damage

This should make tactically moving your fleet around for a beneficial position viable instead of having to move on the correct system to jump in without faceslamming my backline in the enemy fleet

>>170933650
Easy to say.
2. Should be easy actually.
1.?
Easier said that done. How we remove doom-stacks?
Adding penalty for stacking? Increased supply cost?

>>170934087
>>170934009
Combat width
Instead of having battleships literally stacking on top of each other give space between them so when the fleet is too large they spread out and they are out of range when they face a smaller fleet

>>170934270
This would also make small ships more relevant in late game

>>170934087
answer is simple, actually

recognize that the intrinsic value of a large fleet is that it can win battles more easily

and recognize that the intrinsic value of smaller fleets is that they can be in multiple places at once

your doom stack may be wrecking one system but if you have no defence your economy is gonna get rekt by raids

the AI can currently only respond to raids by pulling its entire stack at once, it can't respond to multiple, so you can freely wreck their entire spaceborne economy while kiting the stack

alternatively if you are exceptionally lazy just add fleet command caps like in endless space

Is there a console command to end Unbidden invasion event? I destroyed portal, all their fleets and stations, and it's still active

>>170934621
yes

>>170934621
git gud

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>>170934918
I'm serious, I've got a bug

>>170935517
I had those all the time

you need to go into the file where the event is defined, look at the "finish" event id for that event chain, and fire it through the console, wiki has the exact command

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Rollin'

>Northern Rebels
>Southern Rebels
>Tribal Rebels
>Eastern Mongols
>Western Mongols
>Wokou Pirates
>Jurchen
>Qing
>Japanese
>Tibetans

>>170934489
Slowing global movement and making combat stand longer would also help.
Maybe buffing defense also help?

>>170935747
Well, thank you

>>170935837
I vote for Tribal Rebels, it sounds fun.

>>170935837
JURCHEN
U
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C
H
E
N

>>170935838
in-system movement is already pretty fucking slow, so is combat really

>>170935517
>unbidden arrive
>rush in with a 70k fleet
>take out the guard fleet and the portal
>gtfo while 3 more fleets collapsing on me
>i am hero of the galaxy nao
>40+ (-1 per year)

Fuck you guys

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>>170936009
Next time.

>>170936032
United under Nurhaci and the Eight Banners.

>>170933449
1.Make it more tactical like soase. I didnt even like soase combat that much, but stellaris combat is really fucking shit
2.planet based system wide defences. Make assaulting an enemy system with a developed planet a real risk

>>170933650
Whole game is balanced around doomstacks though. Especially crises
How am I supposed to take out 100k+ enemy fleets with my personal doomstack?

>>170936505
"Jurchen Bannermen"?

>>170931776
The main problem with V is that it indulged in the 'tall' meme, and you are actively punished for expanding to such an extent that you're better off with 3-5 cities.

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It's late spring, 1622, and the Jurchen invasion of Ming China in underway.

The Jurchen 1st Army is stationed in Shangdu, under General Urgudai, and numbers around 23 000 men.
The Jurchen 2nd Army is stationed in Shenyang under General Ajige, and numbers around 50 000 men.

Before I do anything else, let's use what funds we have to strengthen the weaker 1st Army, and see what the Ming do.

>>170936796
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Banners

>>170936765
>Whole game is balanced around doomstacks though.

no, actually it's the opposite, the game is clearly meant to use fleets as your unit, you command fleets not ships, so that you can more easily command a lot of fleets at the same time

if it was really meant to be stacks, it would be better to have more control over ships since you have nothing else to do

>>170937452
So basically Rebels.

Do you actually have any choice? I see you can mobilize armies, but I don't see any infrastructure.

>>170937452
Are there only 2 armies in every campaign?

>>170936765
>>170937635
Still you can
>send around science ships(empty ofc) to scout
>pinpoint enemy doomstack
>engage with your main force
>meanwhile have your torpvettes enter from other systems
>proceed to bite enemys ass while your backline remains safe sniping

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The 1st Army is bolstered, and now stands 30 000 man strong.

Meanwhile, the Ming 1st Army moves in to lay siege to Yingchang, one of our major cities. The Ming 2nd Army moves eastwards to protect Beijing.

>>170937772
No, you can only really build armies.

>>170937837
Last time I played the Ming had three. I also haven't tried the other campaigns yet.

I don't understand why barbarians keep busting me up in Civ 6. You would think I would learn and prepare. Even when I make a point of producing more units to fend them off I just end up losing more units because I'm overconfident and exploring too far.

Are newcomers to the franchise finding it easy enough? I'm wondering if Civ V has just brainwashed me into not taking barbs seriously.

>>170938014
But in this case you are weakening your own doomstack by spreading forces

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>>170892656
Does anyone still play this? I keep thinking about dipping back into it for the sci-fi aspect (of colonizing a single planet instead of whole star systems), but it usually goes as follows:

>want to play Civ:BE
>remember how much it sucks
>get sad
>don't want to play anymore
>play something else for a while
>rinse and repeat

>>170938014
Why do you want to bite their ass? If you can defeat their fleet, you should keep your corvettes in your doomstack in order to make that victory even more one-sided. Then you can mop up their spaceports and win the war.

>>170938472
plan is your entire fleet will still fight the enemy doomstack
just some forces will arrive late in the fight with the exchange of selecting a better position

>>170938779
Stellaris needs a fleet supply system.
Though it would be probably very hard to make and take a lot of computer resourses

>>170938565
I put over 200 hours into it. I never bothered with BERT because of a mix of a lack of interest and not having a sufficient amount of disposible income every time it has gone on sale. Now Civ 6 is out and I don't think I'll ever buy it.

But yeah, I really like the feel of colonizing an entire alien world starting with little more than an aluminum box and a CO2 scrubber.

Also the music is the best in the franchise.

>>170938362
Normal people aren't even challenged by the Civ 6 empire AI, much less barbarians. Your cities have a free ranged attack, so there's really no excuse now.

>>170938764
to kill their large ships quickly ?

>>170939003
Then keep your corvettes in your main fleet, and they'll still attack first since they always rush forward. There is no advantage to trying to get tacticool in Stellaris, especially since you're penalized for having a fleet without an admiral.

>>170938989
>free ranged attacks
Do you even play the game? You have to build walls to use ranged attacks which would be better served by building more units when fighting barbs.

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>>170938280
General Urgudai's 1st Army moves to Yingchang to lift the Ming siege, and are supported by local militia and garrisons.

The Ming, under General Yang Guochi, march to meet the Yurchen in the field. Both armies have swelled to number over 50 000 men each, and the battleground is a flat, open steppe.

>>170938565
it's actually pretty good in a lot of ways
>trade routes are actual trade routes
>warscore system that actually fucking works
>diplomatic traits add depth
>unit evolutions solve doom carpets and early cost issues

it's kind of like a fixed version of civ 5
the main cons are the dry leaders with no personalities, and having to reset the trade routes constantly
also kinda passive lategame AI

if you had to choose between 5 and it, I'd say BE easily. I'd probably even choose it over 6, since they don't seem to have carried over any of the improvements.

What's the new Civ VI tier list?

Is Germany still on top?

>>170939771
How does it compare to Pandora:First Contact?

>>170939771
>if you had to choose between 5 and it, I'd say BE easily.
BE doesn't have mods, or any support on that matter.

>>170940520
hard to say, pandora is more traditional. but definitely has the edge in research. the "tech web" isn't really inspired.
I also like how cities can be captured just by going over them so you have to defend them. The leaders are more colourful but they're still just pale imitations of the SMAC ones. No, really they're basically clones but poorly written.

Pandora has more menacing aliens too if I remember correctly.

>>170940859
BE has the exact same mod support as 5.

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>>170938963
if you like that feel you need to play outpost

>>170941342
Notice how I said "any support" not just mods.
Firaxis dropped that shit half-baked in favour of civ6.

>>170941707
it received a whole bunch of patches and an expansion. how is that "no support"?

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>>170939585
Actually having cavalry is pretty fucking nifty. Lets me finally do something about the Ming artillery.

>>170941767
You mean one expansion, instead at least of two planned?

>>170941662
Too old.

>>170942136
>that map
FLAAAAAT

>>170942207
there's nothing else like it

>muh graphics

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>>170942290
Muh steppes.

>>170942290
DFM.

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>>170942474
I thought steppes were, like, a bit desert.

>>170936765

>he doesn't pause the game and makes a shitload of waypoints with shift for a shitload of fleets for an epic coordinated invasion

git gud

>>170925725
By late game? I'm trading for loyalty. I want some fucking guy to accept a non-aggression treaty while I bulldoze his neighbor, so I send resources to bribe him along with the treaty.

Note that this only works on shitty empires or ones that have recently been at war for the aforementioned reasons. If you try and bribe an AI empire who is topped off on resources, which most will by mid to late game, you get no bonus in negotiations for it. So you basically have to wait for shit to go down before you can actually start "playing" again. That makes the late-game stagnant as fuck.

>>170939771
>having to reset the trade routes constantly

They fixed this already, you can now set them on auto-renew.

What it really needs is random events and more menacing aliens.

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I can deal with the Ming footmen and cavalry, they're not that good. And if there is a tough unit or two in there I can get around them.
But what I hate is how many guns they have, both as individual artillery pieces and as light canons connected to units. It's really devastating.

I'm getting destroyed on the right here, but the Ming commander-in-chief and a sub-general in very favourable positions here on the left, so I might get to rout one or two of them.

>>170942725
Steppes are often grassy.

>>170944462
Is it like Romance of the Three Kingdoms with a huge emphasis on generals?

>>170944449
oh thank fuck, might actually give it another shot then

I think there is a mod for the aliens

>>170942885
>he pauses the game
git gud

>>170944826

>he tries to kill 100k doomstacks and can't figure another strategy other than just ww1 frontal assault

git gud

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Victory at last, though it's mostly due to breaking down enemy morale, I wasn't inflicting a lot of casualties.
I've lost 9 378 men, while the Ming army lost 28 800.
The Ming 1st Army retreats to Beijing.

This battle was kind of a slog. Aside from swooping around to destroy the enemy artillery, there were no duels between generals, no real mass routs or important breakthroughs. Just fairly straight forwards fighting until one side collapsed.

>>170944636
Kind of.
Units with generals are much stronger, and normal units preform worse if they're outside range of a general. Also if two units with generals in them fight, the generals can duel each other.

>>170936765
Easy answer: You don't engage them.

It's the same theory as why infantry doesn't engage tanks, except in very specific circumstances (like having something that can actually kill a tank). Instead, you go for the people fueling and repairing the tank.

In this case, you send a part of your doomstack out to carpet bomb a planet or some strategic point. The AI WILL defend. When they arrive, you duck out. Meanwhile, you send smaller fleets, like my personal favorite, a cruiser/destroyer/corvette combo with the fastest engines and afterburners, out to blow up resource nodes. I've seen the AI pull a 30k doomstack away from invading a planet of mine to turn around and try and catch up with a 1.5k fleet of mine blowing up resource bases. Why do they do that? Well, the AI sees your smaller fleet as an easy target, and there's also the more long-term consequence: If you blow up all their resourcing operations, that enemy doomstack becomes a resource-sucking liability. Be a fucker, and also blow up their shipyards as often as possible. They're an easy kill and resource-heavy.

After that it's a battle of attrition. The enemy will keep dipping into reserves to rebuild resource bases, and you keep blowing them up. Eventually, the AI will stop building anything. That's when you engage the enemy doomstack. You'll lose, but you just warp out, repair, then engage again. After two or three engagements you'll have supremacy, because the AI cannot replenish the shit you just destroyed. Then they're fucked.

Crises are different.

>>170945436
>I've lost 9 378 men, while the Ming army lost 28 800
Nice numbers.

Keep on killing these imperialists scum, the Manchurian lackeys!
Reminds me of Mark of Chaos, but on paper only.

>>170945536
Crises are different because it really depends where you are in relation to the event, what policy decisions you've made, what friends you have, and what your ship's drive technology is.

If it's Unbidden, just fuck them up immediately. They suck. Honestly, the best mode of attack is simply attacking with a sacrificial fleet in a frontal assault while sending a faster fleet to destroy the anchors and the portal. Yes, they will send every fleet after you if you're attacking the portal. It won't matter. Destroying the portal ends the threat. After that you just warp out what you can, regroup, and mop up. They cannot reinforce. You can.

Get jump drive or warp drive to beat Unbidden. Wormholing is not viable because of construction times (if you attack an occupied system to build a station, they'll attack you with everything). Hyperspace lanes are also death, because you'll warp right into their defense stations every single time and have to fight the entire way to get to their portal, facing every fleet they have.

>>170945536
that's just the AI being retarded

the main way to remove doom stacks from the game is simply to enable to AI to split its forces

>>170946427
And?

I'm not saying the game is perfect, far from it. I'm just telling you how to win. If you fight doomstack to doomstack, you will lose every time because the AI maxes out its fleet capacity before ever starting a war and will "cheat" to know exactly what your tech level and fleet disposition is.

I've seen the AI attack a planet it was never allowed to survey or come close to, bypassing everything else I owned, solely because I didn't have a shipyard up yet. I can't feel bad about wrecking resource operations when that is allowed.

>>170945180
There aren't any other strategies. Either you outmaneuver the enemy to the point that you can capture his planets without having to engage his fleet, or you destroy his fleet head-on and the rest of the war is just planet collection. You do not get a flanking bonus.

>>170949139

Flanking are tactics to win the ww1 frontal assault

Im saying strategy is playing guerrilla, hit and run, attrition or shit like that

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Has this game improved at all since launch last year?

There's a sale on amazon for the deluxe version and I'm trying to decide if I should buy it now or wait for an expansion.

>>170952463
Yeah they fixed the bug where balloon bonuses would stack to give your artillery infinite range.

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>>170952770
did someone say infinite range?

>>170952770
>tfw no Paris guns

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Has there ever been a civ game or civ mod that included chemical warfare?

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Hypelanes are overrated, after I got over the scary looking red letters, I've found Warmholes infinitely better

>>170962104
wormpill me on wormholes
how are they better than hyperlanes?

>>170962104
>>170963857
Hyperlanes are designed for best use in Hyperlane-only games. If you allow the other FTL types you are basically gimping yourself if you use them.

>>170964637
Well yes, that's given.

>>170963857
hyperlanes are fucking shit
wormhole>warp>HL

>>170964907
I personally use Warp the most but that's because I'm more of a roleplayer and my empire is supposed to use "space fold" drives, and Warp is the closest I can get to that kind of thing.

>>170965690
that's nice

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>>170962104
>hypelanes
>warmholes

>>170963857

Play a game as a wormhole empire if you want to be wormpilled. Hyperlanes are trash/10. Warp is kinda trash too but it's good for games when I don't want to micromanage my wormhole stations or challenge myself a little bit more.

>>170971153
>micromanage my wormhole stations
literally what?
build one and forget about it, what the fuck is there to micromanage?

>>170971497

Rebuilding them after dickheads blow them up and sending construction ships around the galaxy to build a web of them to guarantee I have access everywhere. Sometimes I don't want to deal with that shit, so I use warp.

>>170970015
> you will never slide your tachyon lance battleship into a fanatic xenophile ayy's warmhole

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>>170964637

Couple of times I've used hypelanes, I found myself spending resources securing shit systems just so part of my empire wouldn't be cutoff from the rest or take too long to get to.

I am not fond of dead threads

>>170955908
Alpha Centauri lets you use nerve gas.

>>170977884
what about mustard gas?

>>170978698
There's no hotdogs on Chiron so probably not.

>>170978730
that's a shame

>>170955908
Call ot Power has a poisoner unit that counts as a nuke.

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>>170978790
I got some staples if you want.
You can use them on your own guys, too.

>>170978881
heh thanks but no thanks. Don't play it anymore

>>170979059
But who will trade me hotdogs for my staples?

>>170979218
no one with any sense
hotdogs>staples

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The events and the early game feel of a truly fledgling spacefaring race is the strongest points of stellaris by far.

>>170980145
I really hope Banks or the DLC or whatever the fuck helps fixes the 'running out of interesting events' problem.

>>170980145
>xenophobe aliens can jettison the record into the sun upon arriving
Fucking lol

>>170980414
I'm amazed that they aren't adding constant new events, like 1 every week or some shit considering how well and modular their shit is set up for that.

Like, have a forum popularity poll every week for a good event of differing length, then once the writing is basically done, just write the script for it which should take half-one hour tops and BAM more content for basically free while also engaging the community.

And most of these could be colony/diplomatic events so you dont run out of them once you finish surveying

>>170980414
I don't think there's any new events in Banks at all.
I agree with >>170980145 that they're the best part of the game, but there's several different reasons I've seen put forward for it.

Is it because the rest of the game is literally just sitting around tapping your fingers and waiting for your economy to grow, and manual anomaly searching is the only thing in the game that gives you something to do?

Is it because Stellaris is supposed to be a space game and anomalies are the only thing that actually has space flavour?

Is it actually NOT the anomalies per say that are fun, but rather it being the period of generic exploration at the start that's fun, where the game is full of possibilities and it's exciting because a good find could change your whole playthrough? And its just after the exploran is done, the galaxy ossifies into monolithic power blocs, where you have to settle back into the long, tedious grind of 4-planets-per-war, and This Kills The Man?

>>170980145
Yeah - because the early part is still 4x.

As soon as it becomes a Grand Strategy (in the later game) - it's the same ol' Europa Universalis style bullshit all over again.

>>170981178
>1 every week or some shit considering how well and modular their shit is set up for that.
Shit that sounds like fun actually.
/civ4xg/ event pack when
>And most of these could be colony/diplomatic events so you dont run out of them once you finish surveying
One of the extra events mods that I've got does that, occasionally Spiritualists will send pilgrims to your empire and you have to figure out whether or not they'll fuck you over.
I'd be completely fine with little things like that, but I'd prefer if it was a mix of little events or game changers like >>170981194 outlines, though I imagine huge events would have less frequency after the exploration phase since you might already just want to focus on the track you've laid out for yourself.

>>170980145
too bad they completely ruined it with passive crystals and amoeba that just sit around and pose no threat anymore

>>170984003
I think the change to spess monsters was positive on aggregate. Nest systems with unique scavengable techs become great early-midgame expeditionary quests.

>>170984605
there were nest systems on launch too

but now you are completely 100% safe from all roaming enemies, because they don't roam anymore

>>170984774
>there were nest systems on launch too
...no?

>>170984774
>They don't roam anymore
Uh, what?
Amoeba still roam.
Tiyanki do too but who gives a shit about Tiyanki.

>JFD and Sukritact are starting to make mods for Civ VI
Is it time to re-install, /civ4x/?

>>170985337
I'd wait until Neptunia and Madoka mods are a thing before reinstalling.

or a Railgun one. The one for Beyond Earth was top tier.

>>170933449
>Give ship types tracking/accu bonuses against specific ship types; Like Battleship>Cruiser>Destroyer>Corvette>Battleship.

>Give L weapons a bigger accuracy penalty VS smaller targets.

>Give us formation control so we can opt to lead with corvettes instead of cruisers

>Give bonuses to % of type of ships in stack (50% corvettes, stack bonus to dodge; 75% corvette, bigger bonus; 25% battleships, bonus to hull damage and so on)

>Give penalties to stacks bigger than say 30% fleet cap over a set n. (100 or so)

>Make Admirals cost half a leader so you can have 3 or 4 instead of 1 or 2


Leaders could do with a general overhaul too btw, dunno if that's just me.

>>170985562
Forgot
>Let us set target preference (by ship type) in case we want to say use corvettes to intercept other corvettes rather than attack battleships so you can protect your own BS

>>170980145
The early game feels like starcraft

>>170944258
>you cant bribe a rich empire
Sounds reasonable

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>>170986218

>>170985178
I haven't seen them do anything other than sit still in one system all game.

>>170984941
Yeah there were, void clouds and crystals would congregate at black holes.

>>170986419
>Yeah there were, void clouds and crystals would congregate at black holes.
Oh, OK, I thought you meant the Hueg Crystal Nexus type nests we have now

>>170986525
I'm getting the impression that's just because the ones that are supposed to be out roaming are sitting in their home system.

>>170985562
>Give bonuses to % of type of ships in stack (50% corvettes, stack bonus to dodge; 75% corvette, bigger bonus; 25% battleships, bonus to hull damage and so on)
>
>Give penalties to stacks bigger than say 30% fleet cap over a set n. (100 or so)
shit suggestions - just arbitrary penalties that make no sense

Other ones are good though I don't think I've ever had more than 2 admirals

>AI colonizes fucking 10% habitable planets so i cant just annex the fuck in a single war, and once i do conquer the fuck i'll have to deal with the consequence of his retard decision by purging entire planets and shit

Fuck.

Seriously, what can i do with those pops?
Dont want to gene adapt them and cluttering up the species list
Cant purge them since an ayylover FE is ingame
Cant resettle them since they like the same biome that my guys like and i wont hand over planets to this filth
How long would it take to bombard them off the planet with limited bombardment (cant get full)?
Any other ideas?

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>>170986765

>>170986360
No rly.
>build you base to get minerals and energy while balancing fleet to defend against early ai rush
>build your fleet for early rush
>wait for your resources to build up while spamming build button
Its literally starcraft

>>170987045
>energy
it's vespene gas and no
also
>generalising so much it could be any game

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>>170986817
Look at this shit
He had 3 planets of his type nearby so i went eco first before building a military and conquering him
They even look like my own race so i was planning making them intelligent as well and include in my "übermensch sector"
Then they pull shit like this.
Now they even took a planet near me but now i have a military and its time to bomb that shit before it estabilishes itself.

And now while i deal with hem the rest of the nearby filth will also grow out of controlf of a single-war conquest.

These niggas will be digging shit till they die then get genemodded to unhappy repugnant fucks; and really, its their own fault.

>>170987479
Well sure it could be any rts

>>170987045
With that kind of logic, you could say that Supreme Commander or Company of Heroes are exactly like Starcraft.

>>170987618
Well yes thats the idea im trying to get at.
Stellaris early game is basically a traditional rts

>>170988038
Then say "traditional RTS", not "Starcraft".
In Starcraft, there's no exploration, no lollygagging, no dilly-dallying. You have a build order, you already have a strategy planned, all you want is see what the enemy will go for, and eventually confirm his position.

In Stellaris, with the techs being semi-random, if you try to got for a specific build order, you can get fucked really hard by RNG-sama's big cock, and since the map itself is random, you can never know for sure where the ressources are.

>>170986765
dont be a bitch and purge them anyway

>>170987045
I get no SC feels from it tbqh my man

I WANT TO PLAY STELLARIS BUT I WANT BANKS

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I WANT POLAND TO REMOVE ALGERIANS ARCHERS

Also, GSC didn't bother rendering the entire legs. They brutally cut just over the knees. That would be fine if they were just standing, but you can see that when they die.

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>>170992752
3 weeks anon...hang in dere

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>>170993424
>tfw leave for an overseas trip in 3 weeks and won't be able to play it until 2 weeks later

>>170993410
>unironically playing that trash

pleb general

Stellaris question: Are NPC Empires able to make use of the Leviathan events? Specifically the Infinite Engine, a neighbor has it in a system and I'm not about to give him that sweet sweet 10% research boost. So, should I hurry my conquest or is it unusable to him?

>>170994564
Infinity Machine*, my bad

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>>170994564
You know what to do lad

>>170994564
I would also like to know

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>>170986765
>>170987540
>its not just them, everyone in the galaxy is ignoring planet types now

Fuckit, time to set orbital bombardment to holocaust mode and wipe the galaxy clean of life.

>>170997271
WELL I COULD JUST KILL A POP

/gsg/ doesn't take kindly to my kind over there so I'll ask this here

Want to play America in HoI4 and shit on russian scum. Should I go fascist or deliver Liber-Tea™ to the nips, germs and spaghetti eaters after I'm done liberating the fuck outta Russia?

>>170997676
that runs every month during bombardment so it kills one every month regardless of fleetsize or bombardment setting

enemy bombardment kills you too

>>170997786
>Want to play America
Stopped reading there.

>>170997958
not like this dude

>>170997786
>russian scum
stopped reading there.

>>170997786
>/gsg/

stopped reading there.

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alright boys, excuse the newfag question but are there any communities for multiplayer civ5 games? Do I always have to set up games with friends and hope for strangers to join?

Everytime I join a random lobby I get insta-kicked by the host, it's getting very tiring.

Sorry if this question gets asked a lot or if the answer is in one of the links in the sticky, I just couldn't find it.

>>170997786
>fuck outta Russia?
stopped reading there.

>>170998378
>Everytime I join a random lobby I get insta-kicked by the host
What the fuck? I don't know, sorry. Do we have a Steam group here?

>>170998717
LIke, out of 10 lobbies I join, I get kicked 8 times. The 9th time the host is afk and the 10th we actually start the game.

It seems like everyone is using some sort of matchmaking website that I don't know about.

>>170980145

I never have time for events, i'm usually trying to scout the most habitable planets that are far from my capitol otherwise the AI just expands and you become restringed as fuck in middle game

>>170999007
>capitol

>>170997958
>>170997993
>>170998014
>>170998071

love this meme

>>170998873
I sincerely don't know. We can try making a Civ5 group, but I don't know if there's one already.

Most shitters would tell you to play Civ4.

>play Civ6
>wars declared against me: 26
>wars declared by me: 0
>cities captured by me: 2
>who is the warmonger?
yea, me
I'm tired of this shit

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>>171000271
>wars declared against germany
>wars declared by germany
>territory captured by germany
>who is the warmonger?

>>171000407
Germany was defending themselves from the vicious Pole when it covertly agreed to split the country between them and the Soviets

>>170997271
just looked at my other saves, and holy fuck is that the default AI behavior?

No wonder all ceded planets are always angry.

>>170986765
Genetically modify them to match their planet type.

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I fucking hate this system. You're not choosing your government, you're just picking the arbitrary bonuses you want. It has zero roleplay value.

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>>170986765
What government are you running? Ethics?

>Not going Theocratic Republic
>Maximize Happiness
>All pops move to where they will be happiest
>Spiritualist gives ethics pressure so the pops will become happier
>Individualist so that the pops are less unhappy

>>171004315
>Civ 5/6 has barely any roleplay value
No way

>>171005121

>Make authorative spiritualist
>Get Divine Mandate as government
>My race has endurance trait so leaders don't die until they are 120 years old
>My heir is a guy with the evil trait, so -15% happiness and greedy trait, so -10% research to everything and +30% energy credits

wew lad, so now i'm a fundamentalist with shitty research and unhappy pops

Stellaris question here:

Picked this game up and after some struggle in the beginning i managed to get a small empire up.

Now some xeno tried to build outposts in my sector and i just needed one outpost to block him. Instead i conolized a planet and now have 6/5 planets. How do i deal with this.

Also i'm cheap on influence from the very beginning it never went above +2. I didn't know influence is so rare so i spent a lot of it for leader or outposts.

Have i fucked up? Should i start over?

>>171005569
>6/5 planets
Just start a sector

>>171005569

Outposts drains influence, so if you already have a colonized planet near you can destroy them, although if a system gets outside of your borders you will lose all your resource stations if you destroy the outpost

You can gain influence by declaring rival another empires, but at the cost of a cold war arms race

Edicts drain influence too

You can start sectors, they will give you part of their resources and will take care of the planets and systems you set them

>>171005690
>>171005831
Ok i start looking now on how to create sectors

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kill me

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>>171005362
Evil Heir, well, have fun.

As far as your stupid xeno settlement problem. Turn off Slave Procreation, you can turn it back on after. Enslave the stupid xenos, resettle them to work in mines, maybe on your homeworld so that the ethics divergence is super negative.

Get some xenos that like the stupid planet type, and resettle them over there. With Authoritarian Spiritualist, Divine Mandate, you can get xenos into your ethics and have them run their own "caste system" on the planet.

Enslave all who are upset with this course of action.

>>171006910

My bad, i was >>171005362 but not >>170986765

Still, xenos factions are becoming a problem so probably will try it that way

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Any interest at all in Steel Division, aka Wargame for Werhaboos? Closed beta is tomorrow, I might post some screens but I see no reason to violate the NDA and risk the international video game police hunting me down and throwing me in prison if nobody here cares anyway.

>>171008130
I like the idea of playing Wargame but every time I try to I just look at the decks and get fucking intimidated

>>171008378

The trick is to learn how to use the different categories of units, once you do that you can kind of ignore the nitty-gritty numbers, since the differences are quite superficial.

>>171008130
I only play pausable RTS games.

>>171010147
>pausable rts
oxymoron

>>170987045
>starcraft
>map is from a list of premade maps you know the exact layout of in advance, so you don't even have to explore because you already know where everything is
>no RNG, resources and tech are exactly the same every game
>because of this you can plan out an exact sequence of user-actions and then just work on executing them as quickly as possible
>games rarely last more than 10 minutes
Doesn't sound a whole lot like Stellaris

>>171008130
I'm interested in SD but I have a beta key too

>>171011279
Stellaris isnt completely random tho, the maps have starts that are somewhat balanced. An im talking about early game

>Gas giant creatures want to get relocated
>okay
>Their chosen world is smack in the middle of a Fallen Empire
well fuck you guys

>>171014848
I've had starts where I have 3 mining stations between my starting systems, and I've had starts where a ring world was right outside my borders. Just the simple variation in available resources in each start would be unacceptable in a SC map because it would overwhelmingly favor the player with the stronger start. In Stellaris having a shitty start isn't that bad if there are some juicy systems just beyond your borders, it just means your power spike will come a bit later. But that's okay in Stellaris because you aren't fucked if you can't begin mass producing units inside 5 minutes.

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God damnit, i love ruins.

>watching starcrossed stellar starfish videos on paradoxextra
>2 fat cucky numales playing empires, one facist, the other a multicultural "everyone is special" society
>they banter about each other in-game ideologies
>keep expecting them to recognize their dying Sweden
>end up disappointed each time

atleast they make decent vidya

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So let me get this straight, the galaxy didn't give two shits that I conquered a neighbour and purged their entire species out of existence, but the second I decide to purge my slave species because they're causing too much uproar everyone gives a fuck?

It's like I conquered the spacearmenians but gassed the spacejews.

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God damn, Stellaris is the first Paradox game I've really gotten into, and I think I'm starting to understand the hate for the company.

>event line involving hunting down cultists often becomes broken, with some cultists failing to spawn
>fleets can become permanently stuck in FTL travel if they were targeting an enemy and the enemy is destroyed or the war ends
>enemy empires can set a war goal of liberating one of your vassals (or even liberating your empire from itself). This is supposed to provide monthly war score when they are occupying the vassals planets, but instead always gives war score, meaning you can destroy all of the enemy's fleets and conquer all of their planets, but still end up losing the war if the enemy is too large and you're not fast enough
>these bugs, including two game-breaking ones, have existed since launch, may 2016

Also, I can't confirm it, but AI empires seem to be able to ignore closed borders from other AI or other FTL restrictions.

I just wanted to conquer ayylmaos.

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>>171026459
just buy utopia goy, it will fix everything

>>171026459
Paradox is hated for a single reason : with each DLCs, their games get deeper and deeper, but they never bother fixing bugs, they just add more contents, most of them being paid DLC.

>>171027180
Actually, most changes in current Paradox games are comes with the patch, DLCs are merely blocks some of the features. Also, I think that Paradox DLC policy is justified, only alternative is to sell their games at AAA-title price, like Distant Worlds. Inb4: paradrone go away.

Also, it's not about fixing bugs, it's about poor gamedesign choices, EU4 is full of them.

>>171029316
Just for reference, Distant Worlds (as in, the version you play on Steam) is actually the base game AND its expansion.

>>171029646
you can buy the base game on matrix's own store for significantly less too

>>171029803
But most people in this thread use Steam and thus are actually playing Distant Worlds : Universe, which is equivalent to a Paradox game and ALL its DLCs.

>>171029316
>AAA-title price
>Fallout 4 - 230 bananas
>CK2 - 70 bananas
>CK2 dlc - 290 bananas and I'm only halfway down the list

really gets the thinking noodle goin

New endless space faction hinted at, looks like robots

>>171030274
based automatons?

>>171001085
While Danzig had been a German city for ages and was predominantly German.

>>171030519
>predominantly German city in Poland
>better wipe out Poland

>>171030329
Nah it's gonna be a new race, they are doing 4 new and 4 old and we already have the old 4

>>171030629
AND I AM THE BAD GUY?

>>171030629
>predominantly German city in Poland experiences ethnic cleansing
>wipe out Poland
>suddenly I'm the bad guy

>>171030629
Which modern war since WWI wasn't a total war fought until one side completely lost?

>>171030519
It isn't now and it will probably never be.
Prussia is lost forever and faster Berlin become New Istanbul than Gdansk become Danzing again.
>>171030629
>>171030910
It was Free City. It had their own military units(including SS), police and was ruled by Danzing offshoot of NSDAP more German than Germans in Germany.
>>171030916
Winter war?

>>171030916
1st Gulf War

>>171014848
Stellaris starts are incredibly varied though. I've had everything from zero minerals in my starting territory to having 8 in my home system and 12 right next door.

>>171029316
I agree 100%
It is not like anyone on here actually pays for paradox DLCs anyway.

>>171031254
>>171032154
The Winter War is an rare exception but Finland was defeated and had no hope of ever winning.

These are two conflicts with a superpower on one side and some regional power with no hope of winning on the other. Both Finland and Iraq were mobilized for those conflicts but both lacked the industial potential, resources and administration (perhaps only Iraq) to sustain such a conflict for longer then they did. These countries still mobilized whatever they could but they had no chance of winning.

>>171033524
t. butthurt ruski

>>171033445
>It is not like anyone on here actually pays for paradox DLCs anyway.
HA HA HA HA ha ha ha haaaa...

>>171030916
Korea

>>171034328
Technically still on.

Tell me 1 good reason why anomalies have a chance to fail and crit fail.

>>171034642
Hey, you asked for non-complete victories.

>>171034871
because sometimes the redshirt dies

>>171029646
it's also seven years old

>>171034328
>>171034968
How is this not a total war for the regional powers who were committed to win and mobilized thier societies to achieve these ends. Only for the superpowers who intervened total mobilization was not a necessity. Okay maybe I should rephrase the question. I meant modern warfare after the ideas of von Clausewitz in which a state should mobilize all resources possible to win an armed conflict. This still holds true except for the superpowers who intervened in those conflicts.

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>>171034968
>non-complete victories.
Is still going you dumbo, just give me another decade.

>>171035513
I didn't mean to change the original question but maybe it was to vague. Complete victory on one side and the complete loss on the other was still achieved in all mentioned conflicts appart from korea.

>>171036101
now you're just being an idiot

>>171036284
So Iraq and Finland were still capable to continue their respective wars?

>>171036505
they didn't surrender and they weren't destroyed, that's not a total victory no matter how you spin it

>>171036641
>Iraq not totally destroyed
>Finland not surrendered
In both cases victors could take it all but they didn't. For various reasons.